Re: Quoting signatures
Daniele Procida wrote: Just about the one thing about PowerMail that regularly annoys me (not bad to have one annoying thing in a program that I use for a significant proportion of every single day) is that it quotes signatures in replies. A properly delimited signature should be jettisoned, not quoted in replies. The problem is that some popular email clients don't always insert a character in front of quoted text, so when a message contains multiple quotes of successive messages, the quote can contain multiple signature delimiters (without the leading ). If You remove anything after the first signature delimiter, this will delete all the quoted text below this signature... Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - With fairly flexible filters and mail options built-in, PowerMail shows that a great deal of thought has gone into striking the balance between a Über-geek tool (i.e. w/full-blown Boleean instructions) and something a mortal can use (pull down menus). PowerMail user comment on www.macupdate.com Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
PowerMail crashes with 10.4.1
I just upgraded to OX 10.4 and then updated to 10.4.1. Now, PM 5.2 crashes whenever I try to create a new message, open an existing message, or optimize my search index. I sent a crash log to Jerome, but I'm hoping that someone here can help. I noticed from an earlier message the suggestion of trashing the PM keys from home/Library/Preferences, but that didn't work. Thanks. Ron
Re: Quoting signatures
Of course there are ways round it. But since there is almost never a good reason to quote a signature, then it would make sense only to quote it if it has been deliberately selected. The problem as I see it is there are too many delimiters for signatures. The quasi-standard is double dash space return. However, that isn't always the case since there is no real RFC. The closest RFC is RFC 1855, however it is NOT a real RFC, but as they put it: This memo provides information for the Internet community. This memo does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited So what you run into is how do you determine what the signature line is? Here are some real samples pulled out of my emails ___ -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _ - And then there is always: -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Can't look for multiple dashes (I might be trying to use some ASCII art) and the -=-=-=-=-= blows that one up too... Anyhow, as I mentioned earlier, yes it would be nice to chop off the signature line, but I don't see that happening. Wayne -- Somebody's dead forever... - Somebody Got Murdered -- Joe Strummer (1952-2002)
Re: Quoting signatures
Daniele Procida on 5/27/05 said On Thu, May 26, 2005, Barbara Needham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just about the one thing about PowerMail that regularly annoys me (not bad to have one annoying thing in a program that I use for a significant proportion of every single day) is that it quotes signatures in replies. A properly delimited signature should be jettisoned, not quoted in replies. But my solution is to highlight the text I want to reply to excluding the signature and that does about the same thing. [Workaround for above problem] Of course there are ways round it. But since there is almost never a good reason to quote a signature, then it would make sense only to quote it if it has been deliberately selected. Oh, yes, on the whole I agree with your point. -- Barbara Needham
Re: Quoting signatures
On Thu, May 26, 2005, Barbara Needham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just about the one thing about PowerMail that regularly annoys me (not bad to have one annoying thing in a program that I use for a significant proportion of every single day) is that it quotes signatures in replies. A properly delimited signature should be jettisoned, not quoted in replies. But my solution is to highlight the text I want to reply to excluding the signature and that does about the same thing. [Workaround for above problem] Of course there are ways round it. But since there is almost never a good reason to quote a signature, then it would make sense only to quote it if it has been deliberately selected. Daniele -- Apple Juice Ltd www.apple-juice.co.uk Chapter Arts Centre Market Road Cardiff CF5 1QE 029 2019 0140
Re: Another PM5.2 odd behavior
le Thu, 26 May 2005 15:36:11 -0400, A-NO-NE Music a écrit : How sluggish? Highlight a message and hit Cmd+Del. A message bellow is now highlighted, 2 Sec The target is being deleted, 5 Sec The preview pane refresh. Once PM5.2 gets to this state, I have to reboot. This suggest it might be vm related. Coincidentally, when PM5.2 gets sluggish, I also notice vm stack gets to 4-5. This is AlBook1.5/1GB/OSX10.4.1JP-locale. I've got the same trouble with my G4 467MHz/1,5GB/OSX.4.1/French and PM 5.2 I think it is du to OS X.4.1 (it is a feeling). Sometime, the mouse is no more working properly. After a reboot, everything works fine for a time. P.S. I was overwhelmed with receiving nice comments about FaceRight from a few folks privately. Thank you so much. If you are interested, here is a much better quality mov file: http://homepage.mac.com/anonemusic/.Movies/FaceRight_big.mov However, be aware the file size is 35MB :-) This is very very fine ! I do really enjoy ! Jacques -- Jacques Bossy On ne voit qu'avec le cœur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux. (Antoine de Saint Exupéry)
Another PM5.2 odd behavior
One other thing I noticed OSX10.4.1/PM5.2 is that PM gets sluggish when I have a DVDR in my SuperDrive. This can be coincident, but it seems consistent to me. My SpotLight is all unchecked, by the way. How sluggish? Highlight a message and hit Cmd+Del. A message bellow is now highlighted, 2 Sec The target is being deleted, 5 Sec The preview pane refresh. Once PM5.2 gets to this state, I have to reboot. This suggest it might be vm related. Coincidentally, when PM5.2 gets sluggish, I also notice vm stack gets to 4-5. This is AlBook1.5/1GB/OSX10.4.1JP-locale. P.S. I was overwhelmed with receiving nice comments about FaceRight from a few folks privately. Thank you so much. If you are interested, here is a much better quality mov file: http://homepage.mac.com/anonemusic/.Movies/FaceRight_big.mov However, be aware the file size is 35MB :-) -- - Hiro [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED]
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Whoa, Hiro, that is a beautiful song! Thank you for sharing this with us. Alas, I am not related with the clockwise-Karel. I am left-handed, you know, so my wristwatch turns anti-clockwise as a matter of fact! (Yes I am using the Apple 'think different' watch for my daily use and -actually- it is a great laugh seeing all the 'normal' people in confusion trying to read the time) For the fugu part: Steer wide of these fish. Use software instead! I can imagine that you chickened out. Life is too short anyway even when you don't take these kind of risks. Thanks again Karel Op donderdag, 26 mei 2005 schreef A-NO-NE Music: Thank you Karel. As a Japanese, I don't get close to Fugu. Last time when I went back to Japan, my father tried to take me to Fugu restaurant, which I would not be able to afford by myself, but I chickened out. As of this day, I still have not have Fugu in my life, and I am still regretting the chance I didn't take! But, I guess I go back to 'find . -name -print', which is much slower :-( By the way, are you, in any way, related to Karel who only can turn clockwise? If so, I wrote a song for Karel 3 years ago. It's called Face Right :-) If you are interested it: http://homepage.mac.com/anonemusic/.Movies/FaceRight_sml.mov
Re:
Karel Gillissen / 2005/05/26 / 11:18 AM wrote: Yes Hiro, this is one of the 'features' of spotlight. Alas, you need some third party stuff with Tiger to do this. Hint: with a FTP utility like cyberduck or Fugu (my favorite, see http://rsug.itd.umich.edu/software/fugu/) you can browse the invisible items on your harddisk and do all kind of 'dangerous' things with them Karel Thank you Karel. As a Japanese, I don't get close to Fugu. Last time when I went back to Japan, my father tried to take me to Fugu restaurant, which I would not be able to afford by myself, but I chickened out. As of this day, I still have not have Fugu in my life, and I am still regretting the chance I didn't take! But, I guess I go back to 'find . -name -print', which is much slower :-( By the way, are you, in any way, related to Karel who only can turn clockwise? If so, I wrote a song for Karel 3 years ago. It's called Face Right :-) If you are interested it: http://homepage.mac.com/anonemusic/.Movies/FaceRight_sml.mov Best. -- - Hiro [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED]
Re(2):
Yes Hiro, this is one of the 'features' of spotlight. Alas, you need some third party stuff with Tiger to do this. Hint: with a FTP utility like cyberduck or Fugu (my favorite, see http://rsug.itd.umich.edu/software/fugu/) you can browse the invisible items on your harddisk and do all kind of 'dangerous' things with them Karel (sorry for the empty subject in my previous message, as I am not at home I am sending this through webmail and I am still not used to the interface of the webmailpage.) Op donderdag, 26 mei 2005 schreef A-NO-NE Music: By the way, this is the perfect opportunity for me to ask this. I used to be able to Cmd+F to invisible [start-with swapfile] before Tiger, but I can't make this work with Tiger at all. I even can't find start- with option. Any pointer would be appreciated.
Re: Quoting signatures
Sorry. I totally misunderstood the thread. So, my feature request, remove/insert own sig with hotkey is a totally unrelated subject. -- - Hiro [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED]
Re: PM5.2 date
Dates do not start with a comma in my list view. OS 10.4.1, PM 5.2 RH Hiroaki wrote: I now see the date in the mail list view is starting with comma.
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Hiro, It is in /var/vm and they still are called swapfile0, swapfile1 etc to find them select Go- 'to folder' in the finder menu and enter /var/vm in the dialog box Karel Op donderdag, 26 mei 2005 schreef A-NO-NE Music: Tiger is said to create much bigger vm file than before (80MB?), but I can't find them by the name 'swapfile0'. Does anyone know what is the actual file name, and where it is? I am quite certain it's not on the root.
PM5.2 date
I was wondering why I now see the date in the mail list view is starting with comma. Did I set something wrong in Tiger? PM5.2 seems to be the only one doing this, tho. -- - Hiro [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED]
Tiger and PM5.2
PM crash is not a news. Jérôme knows about it. It still crashes at PPC thread. The latest one is a little different. Copied bellow. The great news is PM5.2 seems to be much more robust after crash. Since PM5.2/Tiger, I haven't seen rebuilding indices after crash. However, after OSX10.4.1, PM has been acting a bit weird. Just yesterday, PM5.2 never came unhide no matter what I tried. PM is not taking any odd process so it might not be PM issue. I saw iChat being process loop a couple times, so that might be the cause, but wouldn't Safari and Firefox also hosed, not only PM, no? Tiger is said to create much bigger vm file than before (80MB?), but I can't find them by the name 'swapfile0'. Does anyone know what is the actual file name, and where it is? I am quite certain it's not on the root. -- - Hiro [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED] Thread 10 Crashed: 0 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90b26ba0 Dequeue + 160 1 com.ctmdev.PowerMail0x00267a54 LThread::ThreadAsynchronousResume(LThread*) + 128 2 com.ctmdev.PowerMail0x00267644 LThread::ThreadTimerProc (TMTask*) + 44 3 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90b738b4 TimerThread + 288 4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002c3d4 _pthread_body + 96
Re: Quoting signatures
I've used a lot of email applications and know of very few that actually do this. Most do exactly what PowerMail does, that is, they copy the entire message including the signature line. I don't think a hot key is the answer either. You could setup preference and a rule (inside the code), but that would mean that people actually would have to use the signature correctly, and not everybody does this to begin with. I don't have a good answer either though, so I'm at a loss as to what to really support. At this point I'm pretty willing to leave it alone since most of the time I have to delete sections of the quoted material anyhow. But I'm also sure as Daniele pointed out this bugs people too... Wayne -Original Message- From: A-NO-NE Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] Daniele Procida / 2005/05/26 / 06:34 AM wrote: A properly delimited signature should be jettisoned, not quoted in replies. Is there any chance that this behaviour might be amended in a future version? I don't know about that, but what I think would be great is to have one hotkey to delete sig, and the same hotkey inserts the default sig at cursor position if there isn't one already.
