Re: OS 10.4.9, PowerMail 5.5.3 - still can't print HTML email
Am/On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:10:41 -0400 schrieb/wrote Winston Weinmann: >How much would that be? Dollars, Euros or Kuna? (or Swiss Francs?) a lot of course ... in Schweizer Franken on a numbered account and the Euros you can send to me :-D Thanks and all the best Matthias
Re: bug or feature ?
I am not going to big into this thread, sorry. but one thing I really would like to get understood is that I am saying "as advertised" - you are obviously glancing constantly over this point I am making. for me it's end of the discussion here, just not worth the effort, and by that I mean no offense to you or anybody else who feels it important to discuss, it's just not important enough to me. ---marlyse former message(s) quotes: - >I think you just proved my point that the HTML printing problem is a bug. > >>a bug is something which is said to be functional in a certain way and >>it is not as advertised > >Right. And PowerMail can print HTML email, just not the way it is >supposed to work on a Mac. Any Mac program which cannot print using >standard Mac commands, and in fact prints incorrectly using standard >procedure, has a bug in it. I expect EVERY Mac program to use Apple's >standard setup for printing. So do most Mac users. > >PowerMail leaves printing activated when in fact it does not work. >That's a bug, not a feature. > >- Winston > >>as this is actually a funny thread yes, us discussing the fact if >>it's a bug or feature is somewhat funny because the person who want's it >>printed in the end probably does not care how it is called in the first >>place, but on the other hand, 2 people calling something a bug when it's >>not really one and somewhat referring to my earlier comment without >>quoting my exact statement, well this tickles me enough as to respond >>anyways : >> >>simple reason why such html would print white is that PM basically >>renders the html as a curtsey for people who can't live without the >>pictures and colorful fonts and whatnots and who want to see the html >>rendered page - but that is all that it does. I see the html stuff as an >>attachment or a skin to the email and for this reason it will not print >>or not show in a reply. I've heard a lot of people state the fact about >>a white mail when trying to reply to an html message, well and this is >>the same issue when printing, and thus it is not actually a loss of user >>data, it is just trying to use PM in a way it was never designed for. >>PowerMail IS a power mail application but it is NOT an HTML handler and >>never said to be. this is how I understand the working of it, but then >>again, i do not use html rendering and I never have to print it and if I >>would I just would put it to be viewed in the browser and then print it >>from there.. >> >>and to be clear what MY point of bug versus feature was, here again : >> >>a bug is something which is said to be functional in a certain way and >>it is not as advertised. a missing feature is some behavior somebody >>would LIKE to see or THINKS it should be in an application but which is >>not (yet) at a current point in time. >> >>I do agree though with the fact that it would be wise to implement a >>dialog box as Bruce suggested :-) >> >>maybe I am getting old or maybe I am getting just tired of the old same >>old same "why is this not an html email application"... because it's not >>and never has been and I just feel if that is what people want to begin >>with, well why do they even get powermail in the first place and don't >>just stick with apple's Mail or any other html mail application? >> >>guess I AM getting old AND I am tired. >> >>---marlyse >> >> >> former message(s) quotes: - >> >> >>>Just my 2 cents... >>> If I'm looking an a email and tell it to print, and the printer produces >>>a blank page (as reported by Winston ) that's a bug. >>> >>> Now if I were to print and be greeted with "Sorry that's and HTML email >>>and we can't/don't print those, you'll have to print from a browser." >>>That's a "feature." >>> >>> I would call the behavior as described by Winston a "loss of user data" >>>bug and mark it serious if it were my product. >>> >>>All that having been said, this is not a problem I've usually seen. >>>Guess I don't print much HTML. >>> >>>Bruce >>>-- >>>Bruce BarrettSee my website at: http://www.brucebarrett.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > >
Re(2): OS 10.4.9, PowerMail 5.5.3 - still can't print HTML email
How much would that be? Dollars, Euros or Kuna? (or Swiss Francs?) - Winston p.s. So you don't have to Google, Kuna are Croatian currency. ;-) >Am/On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:20:17 -0400 schrieb/wrote Winston Weinmann: > >>Printing via a web browser is still a work-around. Printing via the web >>browser is what I normally do, but sometimes I either forget, or HTML >>mail looks enough like text mail that I don't realize I need to do this. >>I also get caught with not having clicked into the email text box, so >>get a lot of blank pages with a header printed. >> >>This is not a minor defect. Yes, I wish everyone still used text email, >>but that's not the reality. Probably 98% of the email I get is HTML. I >>don't have any other program on my Mac which cannot print properly.* >>This needs to be fixed. > >send a money order with a proper sum on it to ctmdev and they'll fix is >asap :-D > >actually I don't consider it to be so important. >99.9 % of mail I get is text and I rarely need to print a mail. > > >Thanks and all the best > >Matthias > >
Re: OS 10.4.9, PowerMail 5.5.3 - still can't print HTML email
Am/On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:20:17 -0400 schrieb/wrote Winston Weinmann: >Printing via a web browser is still a work-around. Printing via the web >browser is what I normally do, but sometimes I either forget, or HTML >mail looks enough like text mail that I don't realize I need to do this. >I also get caught with not having clicked into the email text box, so >get a lot of blank pages with a header printed. > >This is not a minor defect. Yes, I wish everyone still used text email, >but that's not the reality. Probably 98% of the email I get is HTML. I >don't have any other program on my Mac which cannot print properly.* >This needs to be fixed. send a money order with a proper sum on it to ctmdev and they'll fix is asap :-D actually I don't consider it to be so important. 99.9 % of mail I get is text and I rarely need to print a mail. Thanks and all the best Matthias
Re: bug or feature ?
I think you just proved my point that the HTML printing problem is a bug. >a bug is something which is said to be functional in a certain way and >it is not as advertised Right. And PowerMail can print HTML email, just not the way it is supposed to work on a Mac. Any Mac program which cannot print using standard Mac commands, and in fact prints incorrectly using standard procedure, has a bug in it. I expect EVERY Mac program to use Apple's standard setup for printing. So do most Mac users. PowerMail leaves printing activated when in fact it does not work. That's a bug, not a feature. - Winston >as this is actually a funny thread yes, us discussing the fact if >it's a bug or feature is somewhat funny because the person who want's it >printed in the end probably does not care how it is called in the first >place, but on the other hand, 2 people calling something a bug when it's >not really one and somewhat referring to my earlier comment without >quoting my exact statement, well this tickles me enough as to respond >anyways : > >simple reason why such html would print white is that PM basically >renders the html as a curtsey for people who can't live without the >pictures and colorful fonts and whatnots and who want to see the html >rendered page - but that is all that it does. I see the html stuff as an >attachment or a skin to the email and for this reason it will not print >or not show in a reply. I've heard a lot of people state the fact about >a white mail when trying to reply to an html message, well and this is >the same issue when printing, and thus it is not actually a loss of user >data, it is just trying to use PM in a way it was never designed for. >PowerMail IS a power mail application but it is NOT an HTML handler and >never said to be. this is how I understand the working of it, but then >again, i do not use html rendering and I never have to print it and if I >would I just would put it to be viewed in the browser and then print it >from there.. > >and to be clear what MY point of bug versus feature was, here again : > >a bug is something which is said to be functional in a certain way and >it is not as advertised. a missing feature is some behavior somebody >would LIKE to see or THINKS it should be in an application but which is >not (yet) at a current point in time. > >I do agree though with the fact that it would be wise to implement a >dialog box as Bruce suggested :-) > >maybe I am getting old or maybe I am getting just tired of the old same >old same "why is this not an html email application"... because it's not >and never has been and I just feel if that is what people want to begin >with, well why do they even get powermail in the first place and don't >just stick with apple's Mail or any other html mail application? > >guess I AM getting old AND I am tired. > >---marlyse > > > former message(s) quotes: - > > >>Just my 2 cents... >> If I'm looking an a email and tell it to print, and the printer produces >>a blank page (as reported by Winston ) that's a bug. >> >> Now if I were to print and be greeted with "Sorry that's and HTML email >>and we can't/don't print those, you'll have to print from a browser." >>That's a "feature." >> >> I would call the behavior as described by Winston a "loss of user data" >>bug and mark it serious if it were my product. >> >>All that having been said, this is not a problem I've usually seen. >>Guess I don't print much HTML. >> >>Bruce >>-- >>Bruce BarrettSee my website at: http://www.brucebarrett.com >> >> >> >> >> > > >
Re(2): OS 10.4.9, PowerMail 5.5.3 - still can't print HTML email
---marlyse wrote: >Even though the offered solutions are not in the category of I-don't- >want-to-nor-have-to-think-1-click solutions, I feel these are really >good options provided by a text emailer. Um, we are talking about Macs here, not PCs. I do want features which work as expected, without having to jump through hoops because they don't work properly. ;-) If PowerMail sent all HTML email to a web browser for reading I could live with that. But if it can display HTML email, and print it, it should do so in the same way as every other Mac program. What it does now is neither standard nor intuitive. Why should PM send HTML email straight to print without a dialog box? This has nothing to do with HTML: it's a bug in PowerMail. Why should I have to click into a specific window when I don't have to with text email? Again, I don't see how this is because of HTML. HTML support is not the issue, printing is the issue. Either drop HTML support or fix it so it works as it should. - Winston >I am sorry to see that you think of this as an error and something that >needs to be fixed because in fact it is a feature request that you have >(and I am sure CTM is taking note of it on their long list of user >requests ;-) > >PowerMail is a text email application and that is where it excels at and >advertises itself and HTML is only minimally supported which all those >PM users who want a mainly text email application appreciate not just a >little, but a lot - I am for example one of these users (and not >affiliated with CTM). > >Even though the offered solutions are not in the category of I-don't- >want-to-nor-have-to-think-1-click solutions, I feel these are really >good options provided by a text emailer. > >---marlyse > > > former message(s) quotes: - > > >>Printing via a web browser is still a work-around. Printing via the web >>browser is what I normally do, but sometimes I either forget, or HTML >>mail looks enough like text mail that I don't realize I need to do this. >>I also get caught with not having clicked into the email text box, so >>get a lot of blank pages with a header printed. >> >>This is not a minor defect. Yes, I wish everyone still used text email, >>but that's not the reality. Probably 98% of the email I get is HTML. I >>don't have any other program on my Mac which cannot print properly.* >>This needs to be fixed. >> >> >>- Winston Weinmann >> >>*(OK, some OS 9 programs have to jump through hoops to print via Classic.) >> >> >>>Am/On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:33:23 -0400 schrieb/wrote Tim Lapin: >>> On Tuesday, April 17, 2007, Winston Weinmann sent forth: >Don - Thanks, but this is a workaround, not a solution. > >I do not like things printing immediately. I usually preview them first, >particularly emails, which often have stuff I do not need at the end. >Sometimes I only need to print the first page. > >PowerMail should print HTML email the same way a web browser prints it. >>> >>>why then you don't print it from the browser ? >>>simple click on the button on the bottom with the little globe and >>>choose open in browser. >>> >>>Thanks and all the best >>> >>>Matthias > >
bug or feature ?
as this is actually a funny thread yes, us discussing the fact if it's a bug or feature is somewhat funny because the person who want's it printed in the end probably does not care how it is called in the first place, but on the other hand, 2 people calling something a bug when it's not really one and somewhat referring to my earlier comment without quoting my exact statement, well this tickles me enough as to respond anyways : simple reason why such html would print white is that PM basically renders the html as a curtsey for people who can't live without the pictures and colorful fonts and whatnots and who want to see the html rendered page - but that is all that it does. I see the html stuff as an attachment or a skin to the email and for this reason it will not print or not show in a reply. I've heard a lot of people state the fact about a white mail when trying to reply to an html message, well and this is the same issue when printing, and thus it is not actually a loss of user data, it is just trying to use PM in a way it was never designed for. PowerMail IS a power mail application but it is NOT an HTML handler and never said to be. this is how I understand the working of it, but then again, i do not use html rendering and I never have to print it and if I would I just would put it to be viewed in the browser and then print it from there.. and to be clear what MY point of bug versus feature was, here again : a bug is something which is said to be functional in a certain way and it is not as advertised. a missing feature is some behavior somebody would LIKE to see or THINKS it should be in an application but which is not (yet) at a current point in time. I do agree though with the fact that it would be wise to implement a dialog box as Bruce suggested :-) maybe I am getting old or maybe I am getting just tired of the old same old same "why is this not an html email application"... because it's not and never has been and I just feel if that is what people want to begin with, well why do they even get powermail in the first place and don't just stick with apple's Mail or any other html mail application? guess I AM getting old AND I am tired. ---marlyse former message(s) quotes: - >Just my 2 cents... > If I'm looking an a email and tell it to print, and the printer produces >a blank page (as reported by Winston ) that's a bug. > > Now if I were to print and be greeted with "Sorry that's and HTML email >and we can't/don't print those, you'll have to print from a browser." >That's a "feature." > > I would call the behavior as described by Winston a "loss of user data" >bug and mark it serious if it were my product. > >All that having been said, this is not a problem I've usually seen. >Guess I don't print much HTML. > >Bruce >-- >Bruce BarrettSee my website at: http://www.brucebarrett.com > > > > >
Re: OS 10.4.9, PowerMail 5.5.3 - still can't print HTML email
Printing a html message via a web browser still doesn't include the message header info, such as From, To, Date, Subject. I wish it did. I wish it would just print like any other Mac application that prints what you see. All kidding aside, is this a difficult thing to fix? The name of this application is POWERMAIL. So we expect enough power to print, print preview, and printing the short message headers. Regardless of what kind of futuristic applications people use to compose the email we receive. DaveN in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Winston Weinmann's message of 2:20 PM, 4/18/07 >Printing via a web browser is still a work-around. Printing via the web >browser is what I normally do, but sometimes I either forget, or HTML >mail looks enough like text mail that I don't realize I need to do this. >I also get caught with not having clicked into the email text box, so >get a lot of blank pages with a header printed. > >This is not a minor defect. Yes, I wish everyone still used text email, >but that's not the reality. Probably 98% of the email I get is HTML. I >don't have any other program on my Mac which cannot print properly.* >This needs to be fixed.
Re: OS 10.4.9, PowerMail 5.5.3 - still can't print HTML email
Just my 2 cents... If I'm looking an a email and tell it to print, and the printer produces a blank page (as reported by Winston ) that's a bug. Now if I were to print and be greeted with "Sorry that's and HTML email and we can't/don't print those, you'll have to print from a browser." That's a "feature." I would call the behavior as described by Winston a "loss of user data" bug and mark it serious if it were my product. All that having been said, this is not a problem I've usually seen. Guess I don't print much HTML. Bruce -- Bruce BarrettSee my website at: http://www.brucebarrett.com
Re: OS 10.4.9, PowerMail 5.5.3 - still can't print HTML email
I am sorry to see that you think of this as an error and something that needs to be fixed because in fact it is a feature request that you have (and I am sure CTM is taking note of it on their long list of user requests ;-) PowerMail is a text email application and that is where it excels at and advertises itself and HTML is only minimally supported which all those PM users who want a mainly text email application appreciate not just a little, but a lot - I am for example one of these users (and not affiliated with CTM). Even though the offered solutions are not in the category of I-don't- want-to-nor-have-to-think-1-click solutions, I feel these are really good options provided by a text emailer. ---marlyse former message(s) quotes: - >Printing via a web browser is still a work-around. Printing via the web >browser is what I normally do, but sometimes I either forget, or HTML >mail looks enough like text mail that I don't realize I need to do this. >I also get caught with not having clicked into the email text box, so >get a lot of blank pages with a header printed. > >This is not a minor defect. Yes, I wish everyone still used text email, >but that's not the reality. Probably 98% of the email I get is HTML. I >don't have any other program on my Mac which cannot print properly.* >This needs to be fixed. > > >- Winston Weinmann > >*(OK, some OS 9 programs have to jump through hoops to print via Classic.) > > >>Am/On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:33:23 -0400 schrieb/wrote Tim Lapin: >> >>>On Tuesday, April 17, 2007, Winston Weinmann sent forth: >>> Don - Thanks, but this is a workaround, not a solution. I do not like things printing immediately. I usually preview them first, particularly emails, which often have stuff I do not need at the end. Sometimes I only need to print the first page. PowerMail should print HTML email the same way a web browser prints it. >> >>why then you don't print it from the browser ? >>simple click on the button on the bottom with the little globe and >>choose open in browser. >> >>Thanks and all the best >> >>Matthias
Re(2): OS 10.4.9, PowerMail 5.5.3 - still can't print HTML email
Printing via a web browser is still a work-around. Printing via the web browser is what I normally do, but sometimes I either forget, or HTML mail looks enough like text mail that I don't realize I need to do this. I also get caught with not having clicked into the email text box, so get a lot of blank pages with a header printed. This is not a minor defect. Yes, I wish everyone still used text email, but that's not the reality. Probably 98% of the email I get is HTML. I don't have any other program on my Mac which cannot print properly.* This needs to be fixed. - Winston Weinmann *(OK, some OS 9 programs have to jump through hoops to print via Classic.) >Am/On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:33:23 -0400 schrieb/wrote Tim Lapin: > >>On Tuesday, April 17, 2007, Winston Weinmann sent forth: >> >>>Don - Thanks, but this is a workaround, not a solution. >>> >>>I do not like things printing immediately. I usually preview them first, >>>particularly emails, which often have stuff I do not need at the end. >>>Sometimes I only need to print the first page. >>> >>>PowerMail should print HTML email the same way a web browser prints it. > >why then you don't print it from the browser ? >simple click on the button on the bottom with the little globe and >choose open in browser. > >Thanks and all the best > >Matthias > >
powermail-discuss Digest #2611 - 04/18/07
powermail-discuss Digest #2611 - Wednesday, April 18, 2007 Attachs by "Francisco Pereira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Re: Attachs by "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Re: OS 10.4.9, PowerMail 5.5.3 - still can't print HTML email by "Tim Lapin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Re: OS 10.4.9, PowerMail 5.5.3 - still can't print HTML email by "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Re: Error -199 by "Richard Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Subject: Attachs From: "Francisco Pereira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:37:24 +0100 I'm a new user of PowerMail. I've problems with some attachs, specialy MS Word attachs. The attachs appears with no .doc extension and the name of the document is replaced by ISO-8859-1 -- Francisco José dos Santos Pereira R. D. Maria José Fernandes, 533 2425-876 Souto da Carpalhosa Portugal +351244613142 http://homepage.mac.com/pe.francisco -- Subject: Re: Attachs From: "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:48:27 +0900 Am/On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:37:24 +0100 schrieb/wrote Francisco Pereira: >I'm a new user of PowerMail. >I've problems with some attachs, specialy MS Word attachs. >The attachs appears with no .doc extension and the name of the document >is replaced by ISO-8859-1 that's not done by PowerMail. There's something else involved here. Recently I also received jpg documents without suffix. but I could open them just fine. So maybe you start Word and try to open the document or you just rename it. Not sure, but to me it seams that Outlook is the culprit. Ask the sender to zip the docs. Thanks and all the best Matthias -- Subject: Re: OS 10.4.9, PowerMail 5.5.3 - still can't print HTML email From: "Tim Lapin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:33:23 -0400 On Tuesday, April 17, 2007, Winston Weinmann sent forth: >Don - Thanks, but this is a workaround, not a solution. > >I do not like things printing immediately. I usually preview them first, >particularly emails, which often have stuff I do not need at the end. >Sometimes I only need to print the first page. > >PowerMail should print HTML email the same way a web browser prints it. > > Is there a fix in sight? > >- Winston > > Good question. I just tested it and PM 5.5.3 definitely prints without invoking the dialog box. More intriguing is that the print command actually turns on my USB connected HP 990cse inkjet I didn't think that was even possible. I guess the power button is actually a stand-by button, at least in the USB configuration. Oh well. -- Tim Lapin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Tim Lapin [EMAIL PROTECTED] G4/AGP/400OS 10.3.9PowerMail 5.5.3 640 MB RAM 2x40 GB HDs -- Subject: Re: OS 10.4.9, PowerMail 5.5.3 - still can't print HTML email From: "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:34:19 +0900 Am/On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:33:23 -0400 schrieb/wrote Tim Lapin: >On Tuesday, April 17, 2007, Winston Weinmann sent forth: > >>Don - Thanks, but this is a workaround, not a solution. >> >>I do not like things printing immediately. I usually preview them first, >>particularly emails, which often have stuff I do not need at the end. >>Sometimes I only need to print the first page. >> >>PowerMail should print HTML email the same way a web browser prints it. why then you don't print it from the browser ? simple click on the button on the bottom with the little globe and choose open in browser. Thanks and all the best Matthias -- Subject: Re: Error -199 From: "Richard Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:34:55 -0700 Mikael wrote: >Try to see if the address book is bad in the non-working folder. >I've had a similar problem resolved replacing that. If I copy the Address Book from the non-working folder, I do have trouble, so maybe that was it. Richard -- End of powermail-discuss Digest
Re: Error -199
Mikael wrote: >Try to see if the address book is bad in the non-working folder. >I've had a similar problem resolved replacing that. If I copy the Address Book from the non-working folder, I do have trouble, so maybe that was it. Richard
