Re: auto-move msg after reading
The non-HTML version will print okay *only if* the sender's email client was correctly set up to include a non-HTML text part. Otherwise, you're stuck. Rick -- G5 2GHz x2 :: 2GB RAM :: 10.4.7 :: PM 5.5.2 :: 3 pane mode -- Original message: Received from Dave N on 24/4/07 at 04:20 The one person that is trying out PowerMail also wants to print html messages, including the short message header - Sadly, all I could do for her was to set her PM prefs to not favor the html version if any, as the non-html version prints as expected.
Re: auto-move msg after reading
And once again I'm going to climb on my 'feature request' soapbox and ask for a preference to make the recent mail window retain its contents between restarts. This would make my workflow immeasurably easier, and also make regularly scheduled backups (which properly require PM not to be running) a viable option for me. Rick -- G5 2GHz x2 :: 2GB RAM :: 10.4.7 :: PM 5.5.2 :: 3 pane mode -- Original message: Received from Matthias Schmidt on 25/4/07 at 06:30 Is there a way to auto-move a message into the Read Mail folder after reading it? I'd suggest your customer to use the recent mail window and filter the mails in appropriate folders when they already arrive.
Database corrupt
using PM 5.2.2. on OSX4.8 PM Database size 5.4 GB Powermail crashed and then I had a kernel panic. After reboot PM announces a corrupted database. I restarted with modifier key to rebuild the database. PM begins the process but shortly PM crashes again and again. What else can I do to get back my database? Thanks for helpful hints
Re: bug or feature ?
Wayne Brissette said: And as an old timer myself. I'm just as tired of people trying to make PM an HTML email client. It's not about that at all, it's really about giving PowerMail the ability to cope with the fact that it's not uncommon that people ( Some of these being folks that you have to deal with) send HTML-messages. That doesn't mean a PowerMail user has to be able to *send* HTML- messages. For that another client would be warranted. To be able to receive these kind of messages, display them, search among them, quote from them and print them is just basic functionality to be expected from a Mac application. Today PowerMail can do most of that. Why not all of them? Speculations of other things ought to get higher priority are most unvelcome. CTM can decide that without our speculations. It's not simply a number game, that certain users on this list pretend. Let's talk and discuss, not speculate. Please! (preemptive remark) Mikael Tech facts: PM 5.5.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/550Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD
Re: bug or feature ?
Mikael Byström sez: That's a given. However, whether it's a majority of customers are affected by an issue or not is not something you should pretend to know anything about, Michael. This list is NOT all PowerMail users. What do you know how other users unknown to you are affected? Hey, Mikael. I didn't say I knew a majority are affected or not. I said if. IF. IF. IF! We should all be able to raise issues here without receiving responses implying that the issue isn't real. Again, I never said that. If you can go back through my messages and show specifically where I said the issue was not real instead of speaking to my own experience and how I worked around that, then feel free to do so. I don't think you can. I know we occasionally like to have our discussions here on the PowerMail list, but the least people can do is read ALL of the words a person uses when they respond rather than leave some out. Thank you. And I disagree that when someone mentions a problem or a bug that we should not mention workarounds they can use until CTM decides if it is an issue that has priority or not. That's like sitting in the dark waiting for someone to install a new lightbulb when you have a perfectly good flashlight in your hand. Man, I'm going to enjoy my vacation from the internet in a couple weeks. -- Michael Lewis Off Balance Productions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.offbalance.com
Re: bug or feature ?
It's not about that at all, it's really about giving PowerMail the ability to cope with the fact that it's not uncommon that people ( Some of these being folks that you have to deal with) send HTML-messages. Thanks for the insight into the people I have to deal with. ;-) I think there is universal agreement that HTML email sending and receiving on PM isn't what it could be. If the email client on the other end is setup correctly, it should be sending two parts in the email, a text part and the HTML part. The problem is, other applications have gotten sloppy and are assuming that every email client handles HTML and they aren't writing out a text part. So the problem is two-fold. Part of the issue is PM, the other part is the sending email client. The current way PM handles HTML email is usually adequate for most HTML emails I receive. But I can certainly understand a desire to have full rendering. There are a few additional workarounds. I wrote an AppleScript that uses BBedit's built-in HTML Text preview mode. Then puts this back into the message. This destroys the HTML content, but it does then allow PM to index the email properly, and from the feedback I have received, most people aren't concerned with the HTML content, only the text of the message. Again, this is not based on speculation, but actual feedback from people using that script. That doesn't mean a PowerMail user has to be able to *send* HTML- messages. Although, we do have that ability. You create your HTML email in the HTML editor of choice. Save out the file, and use that as your enclosure in a blank message the individual you are sending the email to. Speculations of other things ought to get higher priority are most unvelcome. CTM can decide that without our speculations. I don't think I was speculating and where do you suppose they or any other company determine what gets priority? From it's user base. One of the other email lists I'm on has a lot of sound engineers on it, we all own the same multi-track field recorder. The company uses that list to determine what priority it should assign to fixes and enhancements. If CTM Dev isn't using this list to gauge priorities (and historically they have), they how would they know what issues we are facing. Now that we've beaten this topic to death, can we leave it alone? I'm sure I'm not the only one really tired of it at this point. Wayne
Re: bug or feature ?
Clearly this list is not all Powermail users. However, in the absence of direct input from every single PM user out there, can we not, for the purposes of discussion and friendly debate, assume that this list represents something approaching a representative cross section of the user base and proceed on that basis? I thought that *that* was a given. Rick -- G5 2GHz x2 :: 2GB RAM :: 10.4.7 :: PM 5.5.2 :: 3 pane mode -- Original message: Received from Mikael Byström on 25/4/07 at 14:38 This list is NOT all PowerMail users.
Re: HTML globe button behaviour
Rick Lecoat wrote: Is there any way to change prefs to [view in Web browser] via a quick click rather than having to click and hold? I vote for that behavior, too. I never choose View HTML. I always choose to see it in my browser. Richard Hart
Re: auto-move msg after reading
Rick Lecoat on 4/25/07 said And once again I'm going to climb on my 'feature request' soapbox and ask for a preference to make the recent mail window retain its contents between restarts. Or at least a smart folder or saved search sort of thing. But yes, I agree. -- Barbara Needham
powermail-discuss Digest #2618 - 04/25/07
powermail-discuss Digest #2618 - Wednesday, April 25, 2007 Re: Applescript not triggering, WAS Attachment link failing by cheshirekat [EMAIL PROTECTED] auto-move msg after reading by Dave N [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: auto-move msg after reading by Matthias Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Applescript not triggering, WAS Attachment link failing by Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: auto-move msg after reading by Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: auto-move msg after reading by Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML globe button behaviour by Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Database corrupt by Urs Gruetzner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: bug or feature ? by Mikael Byström [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: bug or feature ? by Mikael Byström [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: bug or feature ? by Michael Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: bug or feature ? by Wayne Brissette [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: bug or feature ? by Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: HTML globe button behaviour by Richard Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: auto-move msg after reading by Barbara Needham [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Subject: Re: Applescript not triggering, WAS Attachment link failing From: cheshirekat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:16:04 -0600 On Tue, Apr 24, 20079:45 AM, the following words from Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED], emerged from a plethora of SPAM ... Follow up: Looks like anything that moves the attachment prevents the script from working. If the attachment is moved *after* the script is called (but as part of the same filter pass, eg at incoming mail) then the script just fails silently -- presumably it starts to work but the attachment gets moved half way through the tagging process. If the attachment is moved *before* the tagging script is called (eg as part of a single filter where the Action is to move the attachment then tag it) then I get the report The attachment has been moved since download. It looks like this is part of the script though, not PM. Maybe the script needs updating to accommodate filter-moved attachments; I don't think that functionality was available to PM's filters when the script was written! That's beyond my abilities right now tho. Anyone want to have a go? (NB I've not tried Cheshirekat's script yet. Does that take account of filter-moved attachments?) Rick -- G5 2GHz x2 :: 2GB RAM :: 10.4.7 :: PM 5.5.2 :: 3 pane mode -- Original message: Received from Rick Lecoat on 24/4/07 at 09:29 Not sure what the workaround it yet, but I'll try adding the 'Tag Attachments' script to any filters that move attachments into specific folders, and see if it helps. If I were to receive a lot of attachments, as you apparently do, I'd move this AppleScript to the top of the list of filters. But you have to make sure you UNmark the box for Don't apply subsequent filters to this message. That way, all your attachments will have information in the comments, but other filters can still act upon the messages you receive and change the message labels or move the messages to specific folders. As it is, the AppleScript you have been using has a few error checks that you are not getting when it runs in the filters. I assume that PowerMail suppresses the AppleScript errors, but I don't know. At one time, I wrote some AppleScripts for use in filters, but didn't get any indication why it failed/worked so I gave up making scripts for my filters. That was several years ago when I'd first switched to PM from Emailer. Email did a great job of utilizing schedules and AppleScripts, so I had quite a few scripts that were enabled for incoming messages. For my setup, I only have three folders that receive messages with attachments that I want to keep, and not very often, so it's easy to run an AppleScript manually. Any other attachments are unrequested/unwanted and are moved to the trash by a filter that is placed near the bottom of my filters to catch spam attachments. Hope this is helpful. -- Music, like religion, unconditionally brings in its train all the moral virtues to the heart it enters, even though that heart is not in the least worthy. - Jean Baptiste Montegut * MAC PRO 2 GHz Quad Xeon * OS X 10.4.9 * 3 GB Ram * -- Subject: auto-move msg after reading From: Dave N [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:20:01 -0700 Hi All, Is there a way to auto-move a message into the Read Mail folder after reading it? As I am trying to sell a whole company on PowerMail, this question has come up several times. These folks used to use Claris Emailer, and moved the TBird, which I am trying to move them from, partly due to the way attachments are handled. The one person that is trying out PowerMail also wants to print html messages, including the
Re: Applescript not triggering, WAS Attachment link failing
Rick Lecoat said it something like this: Moving the script filter to the top of the filter list won't work, because any other filters in the list that are set to move attachments to specific folders -- even if they are WAAAY down the filter list -- will cause it to fail. I don't know whether this is because the script is still running when the attachment gets moved, or whether it's because the script is postponed until all non-script filters have done their work I would very much like to see some input here from CTM. What is actually going on when scripts run inside PowerMail? Meanwhile, are there any development tools that allow you to see the status of scripts running in PowerMails memory space? I usually use Script Debugger, but I need a better tool I think. What scripting tools do you other script developers use? I have time after time come up against limitations in PowerMail's implementation of Applescript that prevents at least myself from developing scripts addressing needs like: incremental message by message backup, changes of the settings of the search dialog and automatic de- htmlification of HTML based messages for example. That's sad, really. Mikael Tech facts: PM 5.5.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/550Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD
Re: Database corrupt
Urs Gruetzner sa såhär: Powermail crashed and then I had a kernel panic. After reboot PM announces a corrupted database. I restarted with modifier key to rebuild the database. PM begins the process but shortly PM crashes again and again. What else can I do to get back my database? Remove the addressbook and see if that helps. It may be corrupt and the mail DB not. There is also PowerMail Salvage as a last resort. No backups? Mikael Tech facts: PM 5.5.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/550Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD
Re: bug or feature ?
Michael Lewis said it like this: Again, I never said that. If you can go back through my messages and show specifically where I said the issue was not real instead of speaking to my own experience and how I worked around that, then feel free to do so. I don't think you can. I didn't specifically hint at your messages at that paragrapgh. Sorry if that was unclear. However, You did forget to acknowledge the valid nature of the problem. And I disagree that when someone mentions a problem or a bug that we should not mention workarounds they can use until CTM decides if it is an issue that has priority or not. Did anyone actually suggest this? Mikael Tech facts: PM 5.5.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/550Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD
the list vs the user base (wasRe: bug or feature ?)
Rick Lecoat said: However, in the absence of direct input from every single PM user out there, can we not, for the purposes of discussion and friendly debate, assume that this list represents something approaching a representative cross section of the user base and proceed on that basis? No we can't if we mean us and CTM to be accurate of what the user base wishes. Mikael Tech facts: PM 5.5.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/550Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD
Re: the list vs the user base (wasRe: bug or feature ?)
This is a mailing list which broadcasts to all members, whether the topic is of interest or not. The list discourages some people from joining simply to avoid one more thing clogging their in box. I joined for a time last year, then abandoned the list for that reason. I may leave it again for the same reason. A user forum does not have that problem, but of course does not push questions out to users. A forum also keeps a more readily available history, and provides a place for evolving FAQ answers. I have wondered why CTM used a list as it seems less flexible than a user forum. - Winston Mikael Byström wrote: Rick Lecoat said: However, in the absence of direct input from every single PM user out there, can we not, for the purposes of discussion and friendly debate, assume that this list represents something approaching a representative cross section of the user base and proceed on that basis? No we can't if we mean us and CTM to be accurate of what the user base wishes. Mikael Tech facts: PM 5.5.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/550Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD
Re: the list vs the user base (wasRe: bug or feature ?)
Well, if you want 100 percent accuracy then you have to poll every single user of Powermail on every single question that comes up for discussion. That is clearly near-impossible, and certainly ludicrously impractical. If even a single PM user's opinions are omitted from the statistical data then the data is less than 100 percent precise. Which means that we are talking about statistical approximations here, just as most marketing decisions are, and, that being the case, I repeat my notion that this list can serve as a practical cross section of the user base. Is it completely accurate? Of course not. But I never suggested that it was. Rick -- G5 2GHz x2 :: 2GB RAM :: 10.4.7 :: PM 5.5.2 :: 3 pane mode -- Original message: Received from Mikael Byström on 25/4/07 at 20:45 Rick Lecoat said: However, in the absence of direct input from every single PM user out there, can we not, for the purposes of discussion and friendly debate, assume that this list represents something approaching a representative cross section of the user base and proceed on that basis? No we can't if we mean us and CTM to be accurate of what the user base wishes.
Re: Applescript not triggering, WAS Attachment link failing
Wayne; Thanks for the illumination. Can you then hazard a guess as to why my Tagging script (well, not 'mine' but used by me) fails if filters further down the filter list are set to move the attachment? If PM waited for the script to finish its job, as you say, then the later filters should not interfere with it at all, surely? Rick That's interesting, that's not how it's suppose to work. I'll have to do some playing around to see what I can uncover. Wayne
Re: the list vs the user base (wasRe: bug or feature ?)
Am/On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:52:35 -0400 schrieb/wrote Winston Weinmann: A user forum does not have that problem, but of course does not push questions out to users. A forum also keeps a more readily available history, and provides a place for evolving FAQ answers. I have wondered why CTM used a list as it seems less flexible than a user forum. Forums are slow and have all that blinky pinky stuff. It is inconvenient it just s*cks. I definitely prefer a mailing list. But we have also an achive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powermail-discuss%40ctmdev.com/ Thanks and all the best Matthias
Re(2): the list vs the user base (wasRe: bug or feature ?)
Not necessarily. See the Dealmac forum: http://forums.dealmac.com/list.php?4 - Winston Matthias Schmidt wrote: Forums are slow and have all that blinky pinky stuff. It is inconvenient it just s*cks. I definitely prefer a mailing list. But we have also an achive: http://www.mail-archive.com/powermail-discuss%40ctmdev.com/ Thanks and all the best Matthias
