Re: PowerMail and IMAP
Lane Roathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2007-05-08 00:33 said: I've never figured out the attraction of IMAP, maybe just because I'm focused on speed so much. Using both in several programs and via webmail I continue to prefer POP3 from both a user and server perspective. (Although anymore I have to run IMAP for webmail). See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imap#Advantages_over_POP3 For most, the biggest thing is being able to keep your mail at work, home, and laptop all in sync. If PM ever goes to the dark side and becomes HTML compliant, I'll switch to another program - if I want to send 4MB word docs I'll do so knowingly, not accidently via my email program. I also like the fact that I can simply flag all HTML email as spam and narrow down my emails to (nearly) only those I want (that's after filtering over 90% of the spam at the server, leaving only a few hundred a day arriving for PM to filter). For me anyway, I also don't want to compose html mail, but I would like to be able to read it properly. Often times I get html mails where the message in empty and there is a .html attachment. That's pretty lame. Sean -- Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform. - Mark Twain
Re: PowerMail and IMAP
Lane Roathe suggested: If PM ever goes to the dark side and becomes HTML compliant, I'll switch to another program - As nothing most likely would stop you, under the described scenario, from sending plain text messages and keep labeling incoming HTML- messages as spam, that is a quite a childish attitude to flaunt. Why shoudl we other users care about this? I don't care if you switch or not, for whatever reason. Go join another cult! It's like if I said if PM ever switches to an _optional_ OS X metal interface, I'd switch. Like I couldn't keep using the old look (rolling up my eyes). Mikael Tech facts: PM 5.5.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/550Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD
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Curtis suggested: Webmail has made serious inroads into the popularity of IMAP. Webmail offers portability of email across machines, and with adequate functionality to please the majority of users interested in such portability. According to what reputable authority? Mikael Tech facts: PM 5.5.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/550Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD
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Mikael Byström sez: Lane Roathe suggested: If PM ever goes to the dark side and becomes HTML compliant, I'll switch to another program - As nothing most likely would stop you, under the described scenario, from sending plain text messages and keep labeling incoming HTML- messages as spam, that is a quite a childish attitude to flaunt. Why shoudl we other users care about this? I don't care if you switch or not, for whatever reason. Go join another cult! It's like if I said if PM ever switches to an _optional_ OS X metal interface, I'd switch. Like I couldn't keep using the old look (rolling up my eyes). Mikael Tech facts: PM 5.5.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/550Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD Geez, louise, you're rude. Can you tone it down a bit, please? It's really getting tiresome when you jump all over a person's case for stating a personal preference as if it is some personal attack on you or something. I didn't see anything in Lane's post that said you need to do this or everyone needs to do that -- he wrote I throughout it. The next time you want to comment on someone's personal preferences or blast them for offering up a way they work around a particular issue or bug while we wait for CTM to change or fix it --- don't. Hit the close window and Don't Save buttons. Then, instead, if it is still important, write it from your point of view. I could care less if you think we're all idiots and treat us as such by figuratively rolling up your eyes, calling us childish, and telling us to join other cults. Ahhh... One more week to Luddite bliss. -- Michael Lewis Off Balance Productions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.offbalance.com
Re: PowerMail and IMAP
Sean McBride on 5/9/07 said For most, the biggest thing is being able to keep your mail at work, home, and laptop all in sync. I manage to do this with pop mail, by not deleting from server. However, this works only for INCOMING. For outgoing, it does not. There IMAP does have the advantage if you keep a SENT mail folder on the server. On the other hand, I turn on IMAP in PowerMail when I need it [for .mac mail]; in the meantime I download it all as pop. Thunderbird emptied all my folders on the server once.. that scared me off of using it for a while. -- Barbara Needham
Re: PowerMail and IMAP
On 9 May Barbara Needham wrote: On the other hand, I turn on IMAP in PowerMail when I need it [for .mac mail] I use my .mac account as a POP3 one. Works fine. Any advantage to using it as IMAP other than access to one's Sent mail from several machines? My young grandson accesses his .mac account with Mail using IMAP. Works OK but we only have a slow connection and so he can wait a long time to see his Sent folder. -- Charles
powermail-discuss Digest #2629 - 05/09/07
powermail-discuss Digest #2629 - Wednesday, May 9, 2007 Re: PowerMail and IMAP by Lane Roathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: PowerMail and IMAP by Sean McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: PowerMail and IMAP by Mikael Byström [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: PowerMail and IMAP by Mikael Byström [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not Re: PowerMail and IMAP by Michael Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: PowerMail and IMAP by Barbara Needham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: PowerMail and IMAP by Charles Watts-Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Subject: Re: PowerMail and IMAP From: Lane Roathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 23:33:48 -0500 Hi, I've never figured out the attraction of IMAP, maybe just because I'm focused on speed so much. Using both in several programs and via webmail I continue to prefer POP3 from both a user and server perspective. (Although anymore I have to run IMAP for webmail). If PM ever goes to the dark side and becomes HTML compliant, I'll switch to another program - if I want to send 4MB word docs I'll do so knowingly, not accidently via my email program. I also like the fact that I can simply flag all HTML email as spam and narrow down my emails to (nearly) only those I want (that's after filtering over 90% of the spam at the server, leaving only a few hundred a day arriving for PM to filter). Anyway, I for one am very happy that POP3 and text are the primary focus of PM. That said, I'm not against improving IMAP or HTML as long as it doesn't interfere with the primary reasons for using PM in the first place: 1. Fast search 2. Focus on proper text emails 3. Great POP3 support 4. Usability (ui, etc.) 5. Reliability (why isn't this higher ... maybe it would be if it became an issue) Anyway, just to be the ship sailing against the wind :) Lane Roathe President Ideas From the Deephttp://www.ifd.com ___ Life is cheap, but the accessories will break you. -- Subject: Re: PowerMail and IMAP From: Sean McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:22:50 -0400 Lane Roathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2007-05-08 00:33 said: I've never figured out the attraction of IMAP, maybe just because I'm focused on speed so much. Using both in several programs and via webmail I continue to prefer POP3 from both a user and server perspective. (Although anymore I have to run IMAP for webmail). See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imap#Advantages_over_POP3 For most, the biggest thing is being able to keep your mail at work, home, and laptop all in sync. If PM ever goes to the dark side and becomes HTML compliant, I'll switch to another program - if I want to send 4MB word docs I'll do so knowingly, not accidently via my email program. I also like the fact that I can simply flag all HTML email as spam and narrow down my emails to (nearly) only those I want (that's after filtering over 90% of the spam at the server, leaving only a few hundred a day arriving for PM to filter). For me anyway, I also don't want to compose html mail, but I would like to be able to read it properly. Often times I get html mails where the message in empty and there is a .html attachment. That's pretty lame. Sean -- Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform. - Mark Twain -- Subject: Re: PowerMail and IMAP From: Mikael Byström [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 16:58:34 +0200 Lane Roathe suggested: If PM ever goes to the dark side and becomes HTML compliant, I'll switch to another program - As nothing most likely would stop you, under the described scenario, from sending plain text messages and keep labeling incoming HTML- messages as spam, that is a quite a childish attitude to flaunt. Why shoudl we other users care about this? I don't care if you switch or not, for whatever reason. Go join another cult! It's like if I said if PM ever switches to an _optional_ OS X metal interface, I'd switch. Like I couldn't keep using the old look (rolling up my eyes). Mikael Tech facts: PM 5.5.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/550Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD -- Subject: Re: PowerMail and IMAP From: Mikael Byström [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 16:58:34 +0200 Curtis suggested: Webmail has made serious inroads into the popularity of IMAP. Webmail offers portability of email across machines, and with adequate functionality to please the majority of users interested in such portability. According to what reputable authority? Mikael Tech facts: PM 5.5.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/550Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD -- Subject:
Re: Not Re: PowerMail and IMAP
Michael Lewis exploded: Geez, louise, you're rude. Can you tone it down a bit, please? It's really getting tiresome when you jump all over a person's case for stating a personal preference as if it is some personal attack on you or something. I didn't see anything in Lane's post that said you need to do this or everyone needs to do that -- he wrote I throughout it. So what? The next time you want to comment on someone's personal preferences or blast them for offering up a way they work around a particular issue or bug while we wait for CTM to change or fix it --- don't. I didn't comment on a personal preference, but on the attitude shared by a few individuals on this list that _their_ preferences should be the norm. I really feel, on the contrary, that many users differing preferences could and can coexist in PowerMail. If you feel different, that's your prerogative. But I also have the right to differ in opinion. Hit the close window and Don't Save buttons. Then, instead, if it is still important, write it from your point of view. I could care less if you think we're all idiots and treat us as such by figuratively rolling up your eyes, calling us childish, and telling us to join other cults. I called the attitude childish, not the person. There's a significant difference. And there's no need to make yourself a spokeperson for everyone else. Us? I do not think people on this list are idiots. I think all of us must have some greatness about themselves as we have choosen the same great email app. But the attitude that PowerMail shouldn't be usable for mere mortals or we're getting another client, is what is _really_ tiresome. My point is that email is changing. As long as the no-HTML-please-we're-british crowd is catered for, then I don't see the danger of supporting the needs of other groups as well. Though I don't see HTML-composing in the future of PowerMail any tie soon. And, yes I can tone it down nevertheless. There's no need for making people angry for the sake of it. My apologies. Mikael Tech facts: PM 5.5.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/550Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD
Re: Not Re: PowerMail and IMAP
Mikael Byström sez: And, yes I can tone it down nevertheless. There's no need for making people angry for the sake of it. My apologies. See how easy that was, and how unnecessary the rest was? Thanks! -- Michael Lewis Off Balance Productions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.offbalance.com
Re: PowerMail and IMAP
on Wed, May 9, 2007 Mikael Byström [EMAIL PROTECTED] may
have said:
It's like if I said if PM ever switches to an _optional_ OS X metal
interface, I'd switch. Like I couldn't keep using the old look (rolling
up my eyes).
I thought I'd addressed that by saying I'm not against improving IMAP or
HTML as long as it
doesn't interfere with the primary reasons for using PM in the first place.
Anyway, I agree that if the switch is optional and doesn't take away
from why I use PM then great. Of course there are several items I'd
prefer to see addressed before IMAP or HTML.
What the heck, might as well put them forward once again :) Here goes:
#1 issue for me: Double-Click is supposed to select words, and
does...unless the text is a URL when PM changes behavior and launches
the URL. Now, I realize that this is a good feature to some people, and
that's great. Still, for those of us that do lots of copying (especially
when we're copying URLs) this is quite annoying and a real time
waster...so, adding an option in the preferences to turn this off would
make my life SO much easier! (ie, double click should always select
words, and cmd-click would continue to launch URL's)
#2 issue for me: Select 400 or so emails. Click on the redirect (or
forward) toolbar icon or press Cmd-R. Instead of a window asking me who
I want to redirect/forward all these emails to PM opens up every single
one. With a smaller screen only ~10 are visible, the reset are off the
screen and unreachable. Only option is to quit (since close and close
all didn't appear to work), and since it takes a few seconds per window
to quit the machine is down for several minutes. [why this is #2 for me
is that cmd-r is right next to cmd{-shift}-t which I use all the time on
dozens to hundreds of emails, so pressing the wrong key can be a real
time waster.]
Other nice to haves:
- 2GB DB size limit; be nice to get at least 4GB, that would hold me for
a few more years until we can get the limit removed all together.
- PowerMail has the wonderful ability to file outgoing messages, but the
REALLY annoying problem of having to have both from/to columns if you
want to know the correct information. See Claris eMailer or v1.5.1 of
MailSmith for (imho) the correct implementation (which is smart from
listing, which shows to instead of from if mail is from myself. That
you sent the email is shown in the ? (checkmark) column, so it makes
much more sense to show who you sent the email to.
- Why can I change the account used to send an already sent email, but
I can't file it to a different folder? To me this makes no sense; you
shouldn't be able to change which account sent an email but you should
be able to move it to another folder. (yea, you can close the window,
select the containing folder, find the email, and then move it .. but
the current UI does not seem correct.)
The best part? My list used to be 29 items long! That's a great
improvement, esp. to only have two urgent items. (although not so
urgent that I've even been tempted to switch over the past several
years). And my main reason for using PM, very fast searches, keeps
getting better.
By the way, I attempted it myself, and rolling up your eyes gives you a
major headache! Not sure why you're into that after experiencing that
pain... :D
Lane Roathe
President Ideas From the Deephttp://www.ifd.com
___
I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my father...
not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car.
Re: PowerMail and IMAP
Lane Roathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2007-05-09 16:36 said: - 2GB DB size limit; be nice to get at least 4GB, that would hold me for a few more years until we can get the limit removed all together. Alas, CTM has said that they won't be upping this limit. :( I've managed to survive at 1.8 or so, compacting every few months, and deleting some messages, but it's a real shame. -- Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
Re: PowerMail and IMAP
Barbara Needham ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2007-05-09 12:31 said: For most, the biggest thing is being able to keep your mail at work, home, and laptop all in sync. I manage to do this with pop mail, by not deleting from server. However, this works only for INCOMING. But it doesn't really _work_. Can you sync the 'read' status, the 'replied to' status, the folder the message is in, etc.? -- do not fear death, but rather the unlived life
