Re: A Tad More Feedback
Lyle D. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. I am happy to pay for an upgrade. I could care less if it is 6.0 or 5.6.5.001. I want CTM Development to continue seeing PowerMail as something worth putting time into (and for them to stay in the black). The upgrade cost is about what it costs me to take my sons out to lunch, and a good email client is a very important tool to me. Cound't agree more. Times are hard for mailreader makers in a world where Apple's Mail.app is free and quite mature now... I paid before even downloading. And in addition, maybe with thread handling this is the last contribution I make to this list via MacSOUP (which did threading for years ;-) Hervé -- remove .listes and add a dot after fh please enlevez .listes et ajoutez un point après fh
Thoughts at random - V6.0 public beta
Hi, All - First, I am coming at this from a different direction. I stopped using PowerMail about 6 months ago in favor of Apple Mail, thinking that I would 'turn over' my PowerMail license to my wife, who is still using Claris Emailer on a Quadra 650 under System 7.6.1 (but is getting more and more HTML stuff, which is getting problematic). I have an iMac all set up for her to use PowerMail under Mac OS X, but she is in no hurry to make the switch. So, when the public beta became available, I bought an upgrade license. I am basically 'starting over' while waiting for Lady Technophobe (her self-appointed title) to decide to make the change, so am looking at the new version from perhaps a different perspective than some list members might have. I am using a PowerBook G3 (Pismo) with Mac OS X 10.4.11, completely updated. So, here go some of my observations: I started out with a new user identity, and imported my database from Apple Mail. There were a few minor glitches: a) I have a folder in Mail named 'Mailing Lists' with some messages in it, but also some subfolders containing messages. The import created 'Mailing Lists' with the messages, plus a folder 'Mailing Lists 2' containing no messages, but containing the subfolders. b) My 'Drafts' folder in Mail is empty, but the imported 'Drafts' folder (s) contained (partial or previously saved) versions of messages that I had already sent. c) I had a 'Duplicate Messages' folder as a result of using Mail Scripts with Apple Mail. In Mail, the folder is empty. The imported folder contained numerous messages. Unfortunately, I cleaned all this up before thinking to check more thoroughly, but I suppose I could start with a new user environment to see if it is repeatable. d) I was viewing a message in HTML format, and tried clicking on a link in the message when the cursor changed to a hand. Nothing happened except that the link changed color in response to my click (as if the click was accepted). I tried Command-clicking, and also trying to use the contextual menu. No functional response. I was able to open the link by switching to plain text view, but some HTML mails don't have a 'functionally equivalent' plain text part. I know I can open the message in a web browser and go from there, but it is really, REALLY counterintuitive to display a non-functioning link cursor and/or show a non-functional contextual menu. This sort of issue is a deal-breaker for my wife. e) Printing HTML mail is _badly_ broken. In the 3-pane view, If I highlight the message in the list and choose 'Print...', I am shown the print dialog. Looking at the Preview, only the subject would print. If I click on the message preview portion of the window, or open a message pane window and choose 'Print...', the message is printed immediately, with no intermediate print setup dialog, and there are no headers printed. While the latter is bad enough (and a long-standing issue on this list), direct printing from the File/Print.. menu without an intermediate dialog is just plain WRONG. f) We _still_ have the issue of saved drafts with no visible indication in the folder list pane display that there is an unsent draft in the Out Tray. g) I also see the attachment highlighting issue that Ben noted in his message. Click on one attachment name, it is highlighted. Click on a second adjacent name, the first remains highlighted. Click on a third, and after a second or two, the previous two names are un-highlighted. Does not happen when Finder-like lists are used. h) I appreciate the ability to view a thread. Implemented more like a search than a change in the view as in other clients I've tried. i) The Finder-like lists are a nice addition, but so far as I can see, purely cosmetic. There are other functional issues to address... j) I like to queue all messages before sending, then initiate sending manually. Adding this command to the Dock menu is a small, but good, functional improvement. k) It has always bugged me that the Window menu doesn't indicate when one of the setup menu windows is open, or if one of the windows selectable in the Windows menu is open. I may have missed it before, but I just noticed that all open windows are listed in the Dock menu, and the frontmost window is checked. I have really missed this functionality, and if it is new, appreciate the addition, but why is this information not shown in the Window menu? Well, that's a starter list. As I find more, or verify others' observations, I'll try to chime in. - Don
Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
On Friday, November 21, 2008, Derry Thompson sent forth: Jeremy Hughes at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:43:56 + I tried that a while back, and it wasn't a good solution. Ahh. Ok. In any case, I don't want bigger and bigger databases. I want separate databases for each email folder (like in Apple Mail). It's fine if these have a 2 GB limit. What isn't fine is a single monolithic database with a 2 GB limit. Yep, agreed. I agree, almost. Having a 2 GB limit per account somehow implies that email will be distributed normally between all accounts. What about the situation of 1 account getting, say, 90% of the email? How does having separate databases per account help there? How about the case of a single account? The method I thought they should have pursued is that used by Thunderbird, combined with archiving: every parent folder has a database of 4 GB. A parent folder refers to folders such as Inbox, Sent and so on. That implies that each account could have multiple 4 GB databases. The size limitation per database doesn't really matter under this method; it could be 2, 4 or any number since the email is now split into much more manageable chunks, especially given most users' desire to filter their mail into many folders. Add archiving to that and you got a permanent solution with almost limitless growth up to the size of your hard drive. In the interim, archiving by itself is an excellent solution. -- Tim Lapin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Intel iMacOS 10.5.1PowerMail 5.6.1 1 GB RAM 250 GB HD
powermail-discuss Digest #2904 - 11/22/08
powermail-discuss Digest #2904 - Saturday, November 22, 2008 Help! Erased account-how to avoid massive re-download? by Winston Weinmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Help! Erased account-how to avoid massive re-download? by Matthias Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] A Tad More Feedback by Lyle D. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: A Tad More Feedback by Ben Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: A Tad More Feedback by Graham B [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: A Tad More Feedback by listes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thoughts at random - V6.0 public beta by Don Zahniser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: PM 6 beta (4574) by Tim Lapin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Subject: Help! Erased account-how to avoid massive re-download? From: Winston Weinmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:22:01 -0500 I had two versions of the account information for my main email account in Mail Accounts. The older one was set up for receiving mail, the newer one for sending. Yesterday I deleted the older account and now have set the newer one to check for mail. Now PowerMail wants to re-download all previously downloaded mail. I keep 2 months of mail on web mail as a backup. I assume that when I deleted the older settings in Mail Accounts PowerMail lost the log of what mail it had already downloaded.Is there any way to keep PowerMail from re-downloading the email it has already downloaded? Thanks for any help. - Winston (This happened because my internet company moved to authenticated SMTP which required different SMTP settings. I discovered that the PM List- Unsubscribe button on some emails ignored the setting to use the newer account settings and instead used the older settings, which no longer work for sending mail. So I deleted the older settings, not realizing that this would mess up PowerMail's tracking of what mail it had already downloaded.) -- Subject: Re: Help! Erased account-how to avoid massive re-download? From: Matthias Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:55:33 +0900 Am/On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:22:01 -0500 schrieb/wrote Winston Weinmann: I had two versions of the account information for my main email account in Mail Accounts. The older one was set up for receiving mail, the newer one for sending. Yesterday I deleted the older account and now have set the newer one to check for mail. Now PowerMail wants to re-download all previously downloaded mail. I keep 2 months of mail on web mail as a backup. I assume that when I deleted the older settings in Mail Accounts PowerMail lost the log of what mail it had already downloaded.Is there any way to keep PowerMail from re-downloading the email it has already downloaded? I believe this has nothing to do with PM, but the server pushes these mails again So, I'd setup a filter for these mails, so that they get collected in one folder and redownload them and delete the whole folder after downloading. Or you use IMAP and delete them from the server. Thanks and all the best Matthias -- Subject: A Tad More Feedback From: Lyle D. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:39:56 -0700 I'm sort of the opposite of some of the opinions expressed here. 1. I am happy to pay for an upgrade. I could care less if it is 6.0 or 5.6.5.001. I want CTM Development to continue seeing PowerMail as something worth putting time into (and for them to stay in the black). The upgrade cost is about what it costs me to take my sons out to lunch, and a good email client is a very important tool to me. 2. I can live with one big, hairy database. More messages simply means more records. Archiving messages will make it easier to keep them backed up elsewhere. 3. Simple styled text will make the difference between having PowerMail around to use once in a while and being the email client I use all the time. Because of this feature, I'll be able to reply to people who like the sort of emphasis that styled text makes possible. And will prevent loss of any styles they may have applied to text I include in a reply. I have not followed this list closely enough to know what problems there are with IMAP accounts, but maybe because of that I will have an open mind. Open mind or not, though, I backed up my mail database before I installed the betta! :-) --Lyle -- Subject: Re: A Tad More Feedback From: Ben Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:51:54 -0800 Lyle D. Gunderson wrote at 7:39 PM (-0700) on 11/21/08: 1. I am happy to pay for an upgrade. I could care less if it is 6.0 or 5.6.5.001. I want CTM Development to continue seeing PowerMail as something worth putting time into (and for them to stay in the black). The upgrade
Re: Thoughts at random - V6.0 public beta
d) I was viewing a message in HTML format, and tried clicking on a link in the message when the cursor changed to a hand. Nothing happened except that the link changed color in response to my click (as if the click was accepted). I tried Command-clicking, and also trying to use the contextual menu. No functional response. I was able to open the link by switching to plain text view, but some HTML mails don't have a 'functionally equivalent' plain text part. I know I can open the message in a web browser and go from there, but it is really, REALLY counterintuitive to display a non-functioning link cursor and/or show a non-functional contextual menu. This sort of issue is a deal-breaker for my wife. Hmmm... I turned the HTML reader off and tried clicking on some links in messages after displaying the HTML through the menu at the bottom of the frame, and suddenly I was able to get links to open in my default browser. I turned the HTML browser back on, and it continued to work. The contextual menu that appears when I control-click on a link continues to be non-functional, however. - Don
