Re: Can't Send Messages

[T.L. Miller]

On 6/10/10, at 6:06 PM, T.L. Miller tlmil...@mac.com said:

>My only PM problem is that it is now ignoring the "Mail
>Scheduling" (every 2 minutes). Never a problem before. I may need to run
>First Aid again.

Overnight this problem solved itself.


Tom Miller
..
"The only time we see the middle of the road is as
we run from side to side." R.O.Clark
...

Re(2): Can't Send Messages

[Peter Lovell]

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010, T.L. Miller  wrote:

>
>On 6/10/10, at 11:31 AM, Peter Lovell plov...@mac.com said:
>
>>Verizon has been rolling out blocking of port 25 in various areas. I got
>>it about a month ago.
>>
>>My config for .mac  is ...
>>
>>authenticate as user 
>>password 
>>
>>use secure connection   use port 587
>>Using the STARTTLS command
>
>Thanks.
>
>To be able to send from PowerMail, I changed the outgoing server from
>"smtp.me.com" to "outgoing.verizon.net" and used my Verizon user name
>and password.
>
>I changed it to what you recommended and that also works. I have left
>Mail alone since it never had a problem on my Mac. It happens to be set
>to port 993.
>
>I used First Aid, got some DB error messages: "Class=DB ;what=100;
>err=130," but the DB is rebuilt, etc., etc. and PM is no longer trying
>to send deleted messages.
>
>Thanks, everyone, for the help!!!
>
>
>
>Tom Miller


Hi Tom,

while this will work, people who receive your mail will see it as coming
from your Verizon address rather than your .mac (.me) one. I *certainly*
do not want that.

If you want your mail to remain independent of Verizon then you should
use Apple's smtp server "smtp.me.com" and your .me username and password.

Apple's "Mail" does a good job of figuring out te right connection
parameters. It obviously excels with Apple's own servers. Port 993 is
appropriate for IMAP, which is the default for .mac/.me accounts in
Mail. If your account is set up as a POP3/SMTP account then it would use
port 995 for POP3 (under the "Advanced" tab). FInding the port number
for outgoing mail is harder, as it doesn't show up in the Account
anywhere. To find this, select the account in question and click the
popup at the bottom "Outgoing Mail Server". When the list pops up,
select "Edit SMTP Server List ..." which is the last entry. Choose the
server in the top part of the window and click "Advanced" tab half-way
down. You can then change the settings if needed. For me using POP3/SMTP
it's "Use default ports", Authentication: password, and the .mac
username and password.  This was easy to find, wasn't it :)

Cheers.Peter

Re: Can't Send Messages

[T.L. Miller]

On 6/10/10, at 4:40 PM, Peter Lovell plov...@mac.com said:

>Hi Tom,
>
>while this will work, people who receive your mail will see it as coming
>from your Verizon address rather than your .mac (.me) one. I *certainly*
>do not want that.
>If you want your mail to remain independent of Verizon then you should
>use Apple's smtp server "smtp.me.com" and your .me username and password.

Peter, I have kept the PM configuration you recommended, but using the
"outgoing.verizon.net" setting didn't interfere with showing the mac/
me.com address.

My only PM problem is that it is now ignoring the "Mail
Scheduling" (every 2 minutes). Never a problem before. I may need to run
First Aid again.

>Apple's "Mail" does a good job of figuring out te right connection
>parameters. It obviously excels with Apple's own servers. Port 993 is
>appropriate for IMAP, which is the default for .mac/.me accounts in
>Mail. If your account is set up as a POP3/SMTP account then it would use
>port 995 for POP3 (under the "Advanced" tab). FInding the port number
>for outgoing mail is harder, as it doesn't show up in the Account
>anywhere. To find this, select the account in question and click the
>popup at the bottom "Outgoing Mail Server". When the list pops up,
>select "Edit SMTP Server List ..." which is the last entry. Choose the
>server in the top part of the window and click "Advanced" tab half-way
>down. You can then change the settings if needed. For me using POP3/SMTP
>it's "Use default ports", Authentication: password, and the .mac
>username and password.  This was easy to find, wasn't it :)

Smtp.me.com is the outgoing server for me in Mail. The "Advanced" tab
shows that it's using the default ports (25, 465, 587). "Account Type"
shows as MobileMe IMAP.


Tom Miller
..
"The only time we see the middle of the road is as
we run from side to side." R.O.Clark
...

Re: Can't Send Messages

[T.L. Miller]

On 6/10/10, at 11:31 AM, Peter Lovell plov...@mac.com said:

>Verizon has been rolling out blocking of port 25 in various areas. I got
>it about a month ago.
>
>My config for .mac  is ...
>
>authenticate as user 
>password 
>
>use secure connection   use port 587
>Using the STARTTLS command

Thanks.

To be able to send from PowerMail, I changed the outgoing server from
"smtp.me.com" to "outgoing.verizon.net" and used my Verizon user name
and password.

I changed it to what you recommended and that also works. I have left
Mail alone since it never had a problem on my Mac. It happens to be set
to port 993.

I used First Aid, got some DB error messages: "Class=DB ;what=100;
err=130," but the DB is rebuilt, etc., etc. and PM is no longer trying
to send deleted messages.

Thanks, everyone, for the help!!!



Tom Miller
..
"The only time we see the middle of the road is as
we run from side to side." R.O.Clark
...

Error logs ( was "Can't Send Messages")

[MB]

Error logs!
Enough said.




Peter Lovell said:

>On Thu, Jun 10, 2010, Rene Merz  wrote:
>
>>Thomas Miller wrote:
>>
>>>When I start up from my SuperDuper HD clone from Saturday when
>>>everything was working fine, the same problem exists.  Oddly, my wife is
>>>having the same problem using an old version of Mail (2.1.3) on Tiger on
>>>her old iMac lamp.
>>>
>>>Therefore, the problem must be with mac/me.com.  I've posted the
>>>question to Apple Discussions, but no replies.  Could it be some problem
>>>caused by my ISP, Verizon?
>>
>>Yes, that could be!
>>I had a similar problem recently with my ISP (Swisscom) for my gmx-accounts.
>>It could be that the don't accept anymore the port you used until now
>>for your .mac-accounts (reason: avoiding SPAM).
>>What is your port number now?
>>And consult the newest security information of your ISP about account
>>installation on a mail client.
>>
>>>BTW, when Waiting messages are deleted, PM shows "-4 waiting." It still
>>>wants to send those messages I deleted. Argh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Verizon has been rolling out blocking of port 25 in various areas. I got
>it about a month ago.
>
>My config for .mac  is ...
>
>authenticate as user 
>password 
>
>use secure connection   use port 587
>Using the STARTTLS command
>
>... and this works through Verizon (FiOS)
>
>

Re(2): Can't Send Messages

[Peter Lovell]

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010, Rene Merz  wrote:

>Thomas Miller wrote:
>
>>When I start up from my SuperDuper HD clone from Saturday when
>>everything was working fine, the same problem exists.  Oddly, my wife is
>>having the same problem using an old version of Mail (2.1.3) on Tiger on
>>her old iMac lamp.
>>
>>Therefore, the problem must be with mac/me.com.  I've posted the
>>question to Apple Discussions, but no replies.  Could it be some problem
>>caused by my ISP, Verizon?
>
>Yes, that could be!
>I had a similar problem recently with my ISP (Swisscom) for my gmx-accounts.
>It could be that the don't accept anymore the port you used until now
>for your .mac-accounts (reason: avoiding SPAM).
>What is your port number now?
>And consult the newest security information of your ISP about account
>installation on a mail client.
>
>>BTW, when Waiting messages are deleted, PM shows "-4 waiting." It still
>>wants to send those messages I deleted. Argh
>
>
>
>


Verizon has been rolling out blocking of port 25 in various areas. I got
it about a month ago.

My config for .mac  is ...

authenticate as user 
password 

use secure connection   use port 587
Using the STARTTLS command

... and this works through Verizon (FiOS)

Re: Can't Send Messages

[Rene Merz]

T.L. Miller wrote:

>>BTW, when Waiting messages are deleted, PM shows "-4 waiting." It still
>>wants to send those messages I deleted. Argh
>
>I'm still curious how I can get PM to stop trying to send Waiting
>messages I have deleted.

As Kjell Olausson said: Try the first aid:
Start PM holding down alt+Apple-key and choose the full reconstruction program

Re: Can't Send Messages

[Rene Merz]

Thomas Miller wrote:

>When I start up from my SuperDuper HD clone from Saturday when
>everything was working fine, the same problem exists.  Oddly, my wife is
>having the same problem using an old version of Mail (2.1.3) on Tiger on
>her old iMac lamp.
>
>Therefore, the problem must be with mac/me.com.  I've posted the
>question to Apple Discussions, but no replies.  Could it be some problem
>caused by my ISP, Verizon?

Yes, that could be!
I had a similar problem recently with my ISP (Swisscom) for my gmx-accounts.
It could be that the don't accept anymore the port you used until now
for your .mac-accounts (reason: avoiding SPAM).
What is your port number now?
And consult the newest security information of your ISP about account
installation on a mail client.

>BTW, when Waiting messages are deleted, PM shows "-4 waiting." It still
>wants to send those messages I deleted. Argh

Re: Can't Send Messages

[T.L. Miller]

On 6/10/10, at 9:14 AM, Thomas Miller tlmil...@mac.com said:

>Therefore, the problem must be with mac/me.com.  I've posted the
>question to Apple Discussions, but no replies.  Could it be some problem
>caused by my ISP, Verizon?

Looks like Verizon changed something. Sorry for the bother.

>BTW, when Waiting messages are deleted, PM shows "-4 waiting." It still
>wants to send those messages I deleted. Argh

I'm still curious how I can get PM to stop trying to send Waiting
messages I have deleted.


Tom Miller
..
"The only time we see the middle of the road is as
we run from side to side." R.O.Clark
...

Re: Can't Send Messages

[Thomas Miller]

When I start up from my SuperDuper HD clone from Saturday when everything was 
working fine, the same problem exists.  Oddly, my wife is having the same 
problem using an old version of Mail (2.1.3) on Tiger on her old iMac lamp.

Therefore, the problem must be with mac/me.com.  I've posted the question to 
Apple Discussions, but no replies.  Could it be some problem caused by my ISP, 
Verizon?

BTW, when Waiting messages are deleted, PM shows "-4 waiting." It still wants 
to send those messages I deleted. Argh

Tom Miller




On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Tim lapin wrote:

Sounds like a flag that won't reset or possibly a corrupted database issue.  
Have you tried the various utilities available when starting up Powermail?  
(rebuild database, rebuild indices,...)




On 09/06/2010 2:52 PM, Thomas Miller wrote:
> It is strange that I can send using mac.com (me.com) address from Mail, but 
> no longer from PowerMail. Using my Gmail account or my ISP's is no problem 
> from PM -- just mac.com.
> 
> Also, although I used the applescript to delete the two Waiting messages, my 
> Out Tray is still bold. It does lose the boldness when it's in the process of 
> sending, but goes bold again after the message is sent.
> 
> Tom Miller
> 
> 
> On Jun 9, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Thomas Miller wrote:
> 
> Thomas Miller wrote:
> 
>>> 2. In the event that a Waiting message was Trashed, how do you stop PM
>>> from remembering there is that message it couldn't send?
> 
> On 6/9/10, at 2:31 PM, Rene Merz r.m...@telquel.net said:
> 
>> Use for such a case the integrated Script (at Script Menu) "Delete
>> Message Immediately", than close and restart PowerMail.
> 
> Thanks. I'm sending this from Mail since I have 2 messages from last night 
> that are still "Waiting" in the current version of PM.
> 
> 
> Tom Miller
> ..
> "The only time we see the middle of the road is as
> we run from side to side." R.O.Clark
> ...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Can't Send Messages

[Tim lapin]

Sounds like a flag that won't reset or possibly a corrupted database 
issue.  Have you tried the various utilities available when starting up 
Powermail?  (rebuild database, rebuild indices,...)





On 09/06/2010 2:52 PM, Thomas Miller wrote:

It is strange that I can send using mac.com (me.com) address from Mail, but no 
longer from PowerMail. Using my Gmail account or my ISP's is no problem from PM 
-- just mac.com.

Also, although I used the applescript to delete the two Waiting messages, my 
Out Tray is still bold. It does lose the boldness when it's in the process of 
sending, but goes bold again after the message is sent.

Tom Miller


On Jun 9, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Thomas Miller wrote:

Thomas Miller wrote:


2. In the event that a Waiting message was Trashed, how do you stop PM
from remembering there is that message it couldn't send?


On 6/9/10, at 2:31 PM, Rene Merz r.m...@telquel.net said:


Use for such a case the integrated Script (at Script Menu) "Delete
Message Immediately", than close and restart PowerMail.


Thanks. I'm sending this from Mail since I have 2 messages from last night that are still 
"Waiting" in the current version of PM.


Tom Miller
..
"The only time we see the middle of the road is as
we run from side to side." R.O.Clark
...

Re: Can't Send Messages

[Kjell Olausson]

Thomas Miller  wrote:

>It is strange that I can send using mac.com (me.com) address from Mail,
>but no longer from PowerMail. Using my Gmail account or my ISP's is no
>problem from PM -- just mac.com.
>
>Also, although I used the applescript to delete the two Waiting
>messages, my Out Tray is still bold. It does lose the boldness when it's
>in the process of sending, but goes bold again after the message is sent.

Have you tried PowerMail First Aid?

--
Regards, Kjell Olausson

Kållered, Sweden

iMac G5|1,8 GHz|OS 10.5.8|1 GB RAM|PM 6.0.5|Horizontal Layout

Re: Can't Send Messages

[Thomas Miller]

It is strange that I can send using mac.com (me.com) address from Mail, but no 
longer from PowerMail. Using my Gmail account or my ISP's is no problem from PM 
-- just mac.com.

Also, although I used the applescript to delete the two Waiting messages, my 
Out Tray is still bold. It does lose the boldness when it's in the process of 
sending, but goes bold again after the message is sent.

Tom Miller


On Jun 9, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Thomas Miller wrote:

Thomas Miller wrote:

>> 2. In the event that a Waiting message was Trashed, how do you stop PM
>> from remembering there is that message it couldn't send?

On 6/9/10, at 2:31 PM, Rene Merz r.m...@telquel.net said:

> Use for such a case the integrated Script (at Script Menu) "Delete
> Message Immediately", than close and restart PowerMail.

Thanks. I'm sending this from Mail since I have 2 messages from last night that 
are still "Waiting" in the current version of PM.


Tom Miller
..
"The only time we see the middle of the road is as  
we run from side to side." R.O.Clark 
...

Re: Can't Send Messages

[Thomas Miller]

Thomas Miller wrote:

>>2. In the event that a Waiting message was Trashed, how do you stop PM
>>from remembering there is that message it couldn't send?

On 6/9/10, at 2:31 PM, Rene Merz r.m...@telquel.net said:

>Use for such a case the integrated Script (at Script Menu) "Delete
>Message Immediately", than close and restart PowerMail.

Thanks. I'm sending this from Mail since I have 2 messages from last night that 
are still "Waiting" in the current version of PM.

 
Tom Miller
..
"The only time we see the middle of the road is as  
we run from side to side." R.O.Clark 
...

Re: Can't Send Messages

[Rene Merz]

Thomas Miller wrote:

>2. In the event that a Waiting message was Trashed, how do you stop PM
>from remembering there is that message it couldn't send?

Use for such a case the integrated Script (at Script Menu) "Delete
Message Immediately", than close and restart PowerMail.

Can't Send Messages

[Thomas Miller]

There are times when mac.com is not working right, when messages stay in the 
Out Tray and sometimes get stuck there - Waiting. I have sometimes Trashed the 
message and created and sent a new one, but PowerMail remembers the old one and 
still wants to send it even though it's no longer in the Out Tray. Fortunately, 
I wait to empty the Trash, so I can drag the message back to the Out Tray.

1. Is there a surefire way to get Waiting messages sent?

2. In the event that a Waiting message was Trashed, how do you stop PM from 
remembering there is that message it couldn't send?


 
Tom Miller
..
"The only time we see the middle of the road is as  
we run from side to side." R.O.Clark 
...