Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
T.L. Miller told: My most recent DB is in my Applications folder. I do have some PM files, including a Message DB, in my User folder, but they are 2 1/2 years ago -- probably for 5.2. Why do you prefer to keep it there? Have you lost the fact that Apple's OS X folder organization gives you one stop for backups? Why scatter important files all over your HD and why put them in to places where you *could* delete them, like when you're updating PowerMail or making a reinstallation of the OS? What's the gain for you in keeping data in the Applications folder? Mikael Tech facts: PM 5.5.3 Swedish/SpamSieve 2.6.4 Swedish | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook G4/400 Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
On 11/18/07, at 9:21 AM, MB [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: T.L. Miller told: My most recent DB is in my Applications folder. I do have some PM files, including a Message DB, in my User folder, but they are 2 1/2 years ago -- probably for 5.2. Why do you prefer to keep it there? Have you lost the fact that Apple's OS X folder organization gives you one stop for backups? Why scatter important files all over your HD and why put them in to places where you *could* delete them, like when you're updating PowerMail or making a reinstallation of the OS? What's the gain for you in keeping data in the Applications folder? Why do I keep the PM DB in my PM folder which is inside my Applications folder? I don't know. If CTM didn't intend for it to be there, I must have done it years ago. It works fine there and runs no risk of being deleted. When PM gets updated, I move the new components to the PM folder and never have had a problem. In fact I think, when I was on a trip, I moved the entire PM folder to my PowerBook and used it there briefly. The simple answer: It works for me and has for years. Tom Miller .. The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side. R.O.Clark ...
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
My most recent DB is in my Applications folder. Why do you prefer to keep it there? Maybe because that's how Claris EMailer did it? ;-) DN
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
On 11/18/07, at 11:02 AM, Dave N [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: My most recent DB is in my Applications folder. Why do you prefer to keep it there? Maybe because that's how Claris EMailer did it? ;-) Very possible. I moved from Emailer to PM when I switched to OS X. Again, this has worked well for me. Tom Miller .. The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side. R.O.Clark ...
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
Dave N said: Maybe because that's how Claris EMailer did it? ;-) Well, I unlearned this gruesome habit a long time ago and decided way ahead of OS X to separate apps from data. I had my Emailer folder also in my data area already under OS 9, not in the apps folder. However, the OS X user folder was something that I hadn't thought of then and I adopted this sound approach during the public betas of OS X. I just prefer to not intermingle different types of stuff together, because I want to be able to toss out apps without much detailed thought on what to keep or not. Apps can be reinstalled, data cannot (unless you keep minute backups). I want all my data in one place, so I don't have to tell my backup app just where I put my files this time. Under one point (the user folder), no matter where I put stuff it *will* be backed up (though I don't backup caches and the like). If I make new folder, it will be backed up. If I move stuff it will be backed up. I usually put things I want to keep that the app uses under the name of the app in question in my users library folder, sometimes under application support or in Powermail's case directly under my user home folder ie ~/PowerMail Files. The stuff that I actually produce myself I always put in appropriately named subject folders under ~/Documents except for some music stuff that go directly in to the music folder and pictures (guess). I can see the value of keeping app and data together if you move your files around a lot. But except for the knowledgeable user, like Tom, for which I'm sure this arrangement works fine, I see little value in widespread use of this approach. Mikael Tech facts: PM 5.5.3 Swedish/SpamSieve 2.6.4 Swedish | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook G4/400 Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
Let me ask a different question here that may help me sort out my mess: What is the DEFAULT location and name of the PM 5.5 message database? I don't recall ever changing those things from the defaults. Regards, John On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:22 PM, T.L. Miller wrote: On 11/14/07, at 9:38 PM, Richard Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Your most recent database should be in your USER folder NOT the Applications folder. My most recent DB is in my Applications folder. I do have some PM files, including a Message DB, in my User folder, but they are 2 1/2 years ago -- probably for 5.2. Tom Miller .. The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side. R.O.Clark ...
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
Hi John, Let me ask a different question here that may help me sort out my mess: What is the DEFAULT location and name of the PM 5.5 message database? I don't recall ever changing those things from the defaults. Here is the path on my computer (user=jpistrang). The '\' indicates a space in the file name. /Users/jpistrang/Mail/PowerMail\ Files/Message\ Database Jim -- Jim Pistrang JP Computer Resources Certified Member, Apple Consultants Network 413-256-4569 http://www.jpcr.com
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
On 11/14/07, at 9:38 PM, Richard Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Your most recent database should be in your USER folder NOT the Applications folder. My most recent DB is in my Applications folder. I do have some PM files, including a Message DB, in my User folder, but they are 2 1/2 years ago -- probably for 5.2. Tom Miller .. The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side. R.O.Clark ...
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
Your most recent database should be in your USER folder NOT the Applications folder.
Did I make a huge mistake here?
I just upgraded to Leopard. I cloned my hard drive, did a clean install, then copied the files back into Leopard from the clone. When I went to open PowerMail it told me that it needed to upgrade the database to be compatible with PM 5.5, that I should make a backup copy of the mail file and then proceed. Instead of seeing warning flares and hearing warning sirens, I went ahead and did this. Then when PM finally opened, the newest mail showing in the database was dated October 22, 2006..13 months ago. I have this sinking feelingwhat have I done to myself here? Any help for the embarrassed old guy will be greatly appreciated. John
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
John Maylone ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Then when PM finally opened, the newest mail showing in the database was dated October 22, 2006..13 months ago. Could it be that PowerMail found the wrong database -- an old backup version perhaps? This seems to be the most likely explanation, given the circumstances. - Michael Michael J. Hußmann E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW (personal): http://michael-hussmann.de WWW (professional): http://digicam-experts.de
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
On 11/14/07, at 3:30 PM, John Maylone [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I just upgraded to Leopard. I cloned my hard drive, did a clean install, then copied the files back into Leopard from the clone. I'll bet your clone was made w/ CCC instead of SuperDuper. I had no PM DB problem using Migration Assistant from a FWHD SuperDuper clone. When I went to open PowerMail it told me that it needed to upgrade the database to be compatible with PM 5.5, that I should make a backup copy of the mail file and then proceed. Instead of seeing warning flares and hearing warning sirens, I went ahead and did this. Then when PM finally opened, the newest mail showing in the database was dated October 22, 2006..13 months ago. What happens when you use the clone as your Startup Drive? Maybe this will help someone solve your problem. Since SuperDuper is not compatible w/ Leopard yet, I did a CCC clone a week after I installed Leopard and all was well. Last weekend I did a Copy selected items using CCC to update my clone. For grins, I started up from this clone and I got the same message you did about my PM DB. I then erased my clone and did a full cloning and when I used the FWHD as my Startup (as a test), all was normal with PM. Tom Miller .. The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side. R.O.Clark ...
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
well, as a first - as you cloned your hard drive you obviously still have that to fall back onto. second - I wonder why you did not migrate? third - how about deleting all PM from your Leopard drive (i.e. trash prefs and the database created etc.) and try again - by copying the former PM database over from your clone, feel free to backup this time around when it asks you to. fourth - a possibility : is it pointing at the correct database to open? ---marlyse former message(s) quotes: - I just upgraded to Leopard. I cloned my hard drive, did a clean install, then copied the files back into Leopard from the clone. When I went to open PowerMail it told me that it needed to upgrade the database to be compatible with PM 5.5, that I should make a backup copy of the mail file and then proceed. Instead of seeing warning flares and hearing warning sirens, I went ahead and did this. Then when PM finally opened, the newest mail showing in the database was dated October 22, 2006..13 months ago. I have this sinking feelingwhat have I done to myself here? Any help for the embarrassed old guy will be greatly appreciated. John
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
Tom, Thanks to you (and to all) for replying to my distress signal. I just upgraded to Leopard. I cloned my hard drive, did a clean install, then copied the files back into Leopard from the clone. I'll bet your clone was made w/ CCC instead of SuperDuper. I had no PM DB problem using Migration Assistant from a FWHD SuperDuper clone. I used Intego's Personal Backup X4. It seems to have worked pretty well with everything BUT PowerMail, but then I am still trying to sort out other issues and really haven't gone spelunking for other problems at this point...but just now looking through the dates in my Applications folder, for example, everything looks very much as it should. When I went to open PowerMail it told me that it needed to upgrade the database to be compatible with PM 5.5, that I should make a backup copy of the mail file and then proceed. Instead of seeing warning flares and hearing warning sirens, I went ahead and did this. Then when PM finally opened, the newest mail showing in the database was dated October 22, 2006..13 months ago. What happens when you use the clone as your Startup Drive? This is the frightening part; it gives me the same OLD database, which has my head spinning and me wondering WTF is this curse around me and Mac OS upgrades. When I installed Tiger on top of OS X 10.3, it became a huge disaster, I lost a lot of info and wound up having to do a clean install. This time I wanted to avoid that so I did the clone thing (which, BTW, has worked for me BEFORE) and here I am staring another big loss in the face. Maybe this will help someone solve your problem. I can only hope that this is the case. Thanks again to you and all for replying. Cheers, John Since SuperDuper is not compatible w/ Leopard yet, I did a CCC clone a week after I installed Leopard and all was well. Last weekend I did a Copy selected items using CCC to update my clone. For grins, I started up from this clone and I got the same message you did about my PM DB. I then erased my clone and did a full cloning and when I used the FWHD as my Startup (as a test), all was normal with PM. Tom Miller .. The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side. R.O.Clark ...
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
On 11/14/07, at 5:01 PM, John Maylone [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Then when PM finally opened, the newest mail showing in the database was dated October 22, 2006..13 months ago. What happens when you use the clone as your Startup Drive? This is the frightening part; it gives me the same OLD database, which has my head spinning and me wondering WTF is this curse around me and Mac OS upgrades. By OLD, you mean the 2006 DB not the most recent DB, right? Could it be that Intego's Personal Backup somehow gave your clone the 2006 DB? Tom Miller .. The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side. R.O.Clark ...
Re: Did I make a huge mistake here?
Richard, I didn't make myself clear. The message file that my PM is using is in the HD/Users/Me/Mail/PowerMail Files folder, and the file name is Message Database. I mentioned the Applications folder only in the context that I had checked the file dates in that to see if there were any other apparent problems as a result of the upgrade to Leopard. BTW, I'm still stumped here. Thanks for replying! Cheers, John Your most recent database should be in your USER folder NOT the Applications folder.
