Re: More 16 hour Sort Index rebuilding...
>I get 50-60 Spam messages every day and several hundreds that are not. I >wouldn't consider a method that enforces that the user does every >judgement and spam deletion by themselves "by hand" as neither "the best" >nor "free". I agree with Mikael. It is quicker and easier for me to simply download the hundred or so SPAMs a day than to manually go to two different webmail programs, find, and delete the emails each and every time I check for mail. The only time I do this is when I am on the road without access to PM. Otherwise I'll come home to many hundred SPAM messages! When that does happen I simply get PM started and go do something else like eat or take a shower :-) BTW, I love SpamSieve. Using the demo now and will be buying a license. Small price to pay for the time it saves me. Steve
Re: More 16 hour Sort Index rebuilding...
Bob Moody said: >This is the best spam filter you can have and it's free. I get 50-60 Spam messages every day and several hundreds that are not. I wouldn't consider a method that enforces that the user does every judgement and spam deletion by themselves "by hand" as neither "the best" nor "free". PM 5.1 | OS X 10.3.6 | Powerbook G4/400 | 768 MB RAM | 30 GB HD
Re: More 16 hour Sort Index rebuilding...
Hello Hiro, Thanks for the advice. I will first try Jerome's suggestion (which is similar to what you first tried) and then resort to going back to PM4 if I have to. I hope I don't have to because that sounds like a lot of pain :-/ But at least it sounds like this fixed your probelm and therefore I am thankful for additional options. Steve > I seriously think you have some corrupted mails that is doing this. Come > to think of this, I had a similar problem. In my case, there were a few > corrupted mails that pushes PM heap to 2GB at rebuilding sort indices. > > I first spent a week to find offending messages, by exporting one folder > at a time till export crashes then go over message by message within the > folder. I then found a couple Japanese messages were unable to display. > I deleted them all. > > The problem didn't stop there. Another two weeks of trials and errors, I > eventually had to export all to PM4, rebuilt everything in PM4 then > brought them into PM5. It was a painful process but it had to be done. > > > -- > > - Hiro > > [PROTECTED] > <[PROTECTED]> <[PROTECTED]> > > > >
Re: More 16 hour Sort Index rebuilding...
Hello Matthias, > don't use beta software and complain ;-) Bad logic. The beta should not have this problem either. Also, if there is a problem in a beta, and that problem was not noticed by the developer, it would be in the final release as well. Might not be, but pointing the finger at the beta is not the right thing to do. > why don't you compact your database ? That's what caused the problem :-/ I asked PM to rebuild my data base and it incorrectly rebuilt my Sort Index as well. Jerome already confirmed that this should not have happened. Steve
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1. Switch to 10.3.6 or whatever Panther will run on your machine. Panther is faster than Jaguar and more stable, AND it automatically defrags any file smaller than 20megs. This will speed up anything you do in PowerMail because the database isn't spread all over the place. Of course to make this work you have to leave your system on over night. 2. Repair Permissions. Reprebind the system. Repair OSX symbolic links. You can do this from the terminal or use a GUI. I personally like Panther Cache Cleaner best, but also use Cocktail on occasion. If I run Cocktail, it generally makes files forget their owners, so I run PCC to repair the symbolic links which makes them remember again. 3. Zap your PRAM. 4. If rebuild is taking a long time, force quit PowerMail and go again. This usually speeds things up a whole lot. If the barberpole isn't spinning it's a good chance things are jammed up. I get this even on a twin 2 G5 and quitting and going again usually makes PM sort things out quicker. 5. Get rid of some of your messages. If your database is too large, it takes forever. Do this in bits and pieces. 6. Don't download all the junk. Use webmail to look into your mailbox and see what's in there. (There are also some shareware things that do this... was one on October MacWorld CD...which is why I buy mine off the newsstand instead of having a subscription) Delete any messages that you don't want directly from your mailbox and only download into PM the ones you want to keep. This is the best spam filter you can have and it's free. It also keeps you from deleting so many messages from PM and having to compact your database. I get about 200 messages a day, and at most download maybe 20-30. - Bob Moody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 936 Frog Pond Road Staunton VA 24401 800-326-9192 www.bobmoody.org The Four-Way Test of the things we think, say, or do: First: Is it the TRUTH? Second: Is it FAIR to all concerned? Third: Will it build GOOD WILL and BETTER FRIENDSHIPS? Fourth: Will it be BENEFICIAL to all concerned?" Replying to message quoted below = *REPLYING TO MESSAGE QUOTED BELOW** Fri, 26 Nov 2004 08:46:26 -0500 >Jerome, > >I recently received a number of 13MB emails which had the attachments in >the Body of the email instead of attachments. After deleting them I >thought it would be wise to Compact my data base. I used the menu option >for this before going to bed and woke up to find PowerMail rebuilding my >Sort Index. As with before this will take about 16 hours. Here are some >more facts: > >1. I'm still using the 5.1 beta (don't ask...) with 10.2.8 > >2. I have not crashed since we last emailed > >3. Yesterday I had a problem with message subject lines overwriting each >other as if the messages were jumbled together on top of one another. >Ironically it only affected the messages in my PowerMaill Discussion >folder :-) This did not appear to cause any functional problems, but to be >on the safe side I deleted them all, quit (empties the trash), and >restarted. No problems noted after this. > >4. I've quit and restarted PowerMail at least once after this without a >problem. > >What do you think the problem is? I am now obviously very disapointed >with this result and now wonder if this will happen to me everytime I try >to Compact. Any ideas? > >Also, could you *PLEASE* do something about the slowness of the rebuilds? >It really is a serious issue, even if it happens to a customer only once >(this is now my 4th time in as many weeks). > >Thanks! > >Steve > > > >
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] / 04.11.26 / 8:46AM wrote: >What do you think the problem is? I am now obviously very disapointed >with this result and now wonder if this will happen to me everytime I try >to Compact. Any ideas? > >Also, could you *PLEASE* do something about the slowness of the rebuilds? >It really is a serious issue, even if it happens to a customer only once >(this is now my 4th time in as many weeks). I seriously think you have some corrupted mails that is doing this. Come to think of this, I had a similar problem. In my case, there were a few corrupted mails that pushes PM heap to 2GB at rebuilding sort indices. I first spent a week to find offending messages, by exporting one folder at a time till export crashes then go over message by message within the folder. I then found a couple Japanese messages were unable to display. I deleted them all. The problem didn't stop there. Another two weeks of trials and errors, I eventually had to export all to PM4, rebuilt everything in PM4 then brought them into PM5. It was a painful process but it had to be done. -- - Hiro [PROTECTED] <[PROTECTED]> <[PROTECTED]>
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Hi Steve, don't use beta software and complain ;-) some joker sent yesterday mails to the list with several lines in the subject. this caused the problem you mentioned in 3. why don't you compact your database ? that will speed up things imho. All the best Matthias --- schmidt-systemdevelopment http://www.schmidt-system.com iChat/AIM: MatKoyasan Tel. +81-736-56-3905 --- Am/On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 08:46:26 -0500 schrieb/wrote [EMAIL PROTECTED]: >Jerome, > >I recently received a number of 13MB emails which had the attachments in >the Body of the email instead of attachments. After deleting them I >thought it would be wise to Compact my data base. I used the menu option >for this before going to bed and woke up to find PowerMail rebuilding my >Sort Index. As with before this will take about 16 hours. Here are some >more facts: > >1. I'm still using the 5.1 beta (don't ask...) with 10.2.8 > >2. I have not crashed since we last emailed > >3. Yesterday I had a problem with message subject lines overwriting each >other as if the messages were jumbled together on top of one another. >Ironically it only affected the messages in my PowerMaill Discussion >folder :-) This did not appear to cause any functional problems, but to be >on the safe side I deleted them all, quit (empties the trash), and >restarted. No problems noted after this. > >4. I've quit and restarted PowerMail at least once after this without a >problem. > >What do you think the problem is? I am now obviously very disapointed >with this result and now wonder if this will happen to me everytime I try >to Compact. Any ideas? > >Also, could you *PLEASE* do something about the slowness of the rebuilds? >It really is a serious issue, even if it happens to a customer only once >(this is now my 4th time in as many weeks). > >Thanks! > >Steve > > > >
More 16 hour Sort Index rebuilding...
Jerome, I recently received a number of 13MB emails which had the attachments in the Body of the email instead of attachments. After deleting them I thought it would be wise to Compact my data base. I used the menu option for this before going to bed and woke up to find PowerMail rebuilding my Sort Index. As with before this will take about 16 hours. Here are some more facts: 1. I'm still using the 5.1 beta (don't ask...) with 10.2.8 2. I have not crashed since we last emailed 3. Yesterday I had a problem with message subject lines overwriting each other as if the messages were jumbled together on top of one another. Ironically it only affected the messages in my PowerMaill Discussion folder :-) This did not appear to cause any functional problems, but to be on the safe side I deleted them all, quit (empties the trash), and restarted. No problems noted after this. 4. I've quit and restarted PowerMail at least once after this without a problem. What do you think the problem is? I am now obviously very disapointed with this result and now wonder if this will happen to me everytime I try to Compact. Any ideas? Also, could you *PLEASE* do something about the slowness of the rebuilds? It really is a serious issue, even if it happens to a customer only once (this is now my 4th time in as many weeks). Thanks! Steve
