Re: Of iCloud and Lotto...
On 2/28/12, at 11:17 PM, CTM info ctm-li...@ctmdev.com said: So the Lotto would seem like a plausible financing scenario for such a project ;-) We are not players, but hope that some of you are. Jean Michel, you could be a player. If you would like, you can send me money and I'll buy tickets in the Florida lotto and only take 30% of winnings. Maybe you could start working on the PowerMail changes now. ;-) I use PowerMail to check my 10 sets of lotto numbers after each drawing. The tickets I buy are good for 10 weeks (20 drawings). Much easier than doing it manually. Tom Miller .. The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side. R.O.Clark ...
Of iCloud and Lotto...
Dear PowerMail users, We have been carefully pondering the consequences on some of your following Apple's drop of POP3 support in iCloud. We certainly are MobileMe users and understand the issue. Let me start with the positioning statement for PowerMail: An excellent POP3 mail client with best-of-class FoxTrot search technology, sprinkled with a lightweight IMAP4 implementation. We are very much of the persuasion that local storage of personal data is and will remain a relevant concept, be it for privacy reasons (do you want allow a cloud-hosting company, state or hacker to be a single password away from your entire data life ?) or for security reasons - being able to manage what is and should remain locally searchable at any time - uptime, downtime, anytime) is crucial to many of us. The lightweight IMAP implementation we have in PowerMail was designed as such; one of its visible limitations is connecting to one account at a time, but was also intended to offer it as an occasional alternative to logging into a POP3 account if needed - when on an expensive data link such as GSM data, for deleting an oddly formed single message from the server, and so on. Over the years it is been apparent that we care greatly for PowerMail and strive to maintain PowerMail in working order. I have two pieces of news on this topic: version 6.1.1b2 will soon be ready for testing, it fixes a couple of 10.7.3 squawks and has successfully passed quick-look testing on the Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion developer seed - so if Apple doesn't break anything on us, PowerMail shall do fine on the next Mac OS X. On the topic of modifying the code so as to implement POP-over-IMAP, I'm very grateful that Peter Lovell brought this up because this was precisely our thinking when the iCloud message thread started. However, the implementation hurdles are higher than expected. The least painful route would be to modify the current IMAP code and break its current behavior (downside: alienates those who use IMAP as it is), but this *would* require very substantial work. Extending the user interface to enable a third option besides POP3 and IMAP would be a truly considerable project, as it would also require database work for settings et. al. So the Lotto would seem like a plausible financing scenario for such a project ;-) We are not players, but hope that some of you are. More seriously, I see four avenues for users to choose from: - If you wish to drop PowerMail, we can understand that although we do think there are mitigation scenarios. Read on. - Migrating to another hosting provider than iCloud, one that respects your needs for POP3, is another avenue. This is the one we are choosing internally with auto-forwarding setup in MobileMe for legacy mac.com/me.com email addresses to a server that we run in-house. Of course it could be on another provider as weel, - In the meantime - and possibly in the long run, a parallel use of PowerMail and Apple Mail on the Mac/iPad/iPhone accessing our iCloud addresses does work nicely. Apple Mail is indexable with FoxTrot Personal Search or Professional Search, so we get much of the searching back - Finally, using PowerMail's lightweight IMAP4, you could nevertheless achieve with a little manual work what Peter Lovell was suggesting (POP3 over IMAP): - setup the account as IMAP - Once connected, copy all remote messages waiting to a local folder (with a name such as Local INBOX) and then delete them from the IMAP4 server - Reply and process messages in the Local INBOX as if it had come over POP3; apply filters to them with the contextual menu. We hope these avenues, while imperfect, will help you continue use PowerMail for its strengths. Kind regards, jean michel/ctm qa
Re: Of iCloud and Lotto...
Jean Michel, Thank you for this suggestion. I will try PowerMail again for my mac.com email. I so much want to have my email in PowerMail. I switched to PowerMail when Claris Emailer went away and have been pleased with it. And thank you for your thoughtful and thorough response. Midi Cox San Diego CA On Feb 28, 2012, at 2:17 PM, CTM info wrote: - Finally, using PowerMail's lightweight IMAP4, you could nevertheless achieve with a little manual work what Peter Lovell was suggesting (POP3 over IMAP): - setup the account as IMAP - Once connected, copy all remote messages waiting to a local folder (with a name such as Local INBOX) and then delete them from the IMAP4 server - Reply and process messages in the Local INBOX as if it had come over POP3; apply filters to them with the contextual menu.
Re: Of iCloud and Lotto...
I am back to using PowerMail for my mac.com email under Lion. I can have Apple Mail off pretty much most of the time but have to check an Exchange server on one account occasionally. (I could never make the Exchange server work with PowerMail and get so few messages there, I gave up.) So, all my old Mail messages came into the inbox but how do I delete them? I tried and they are now grey but still there. I moved them to the appropriate folder first so there is an accesible version. Midi CTM caused electrons to hula in cyberspace with: Peter Lovell was suggesting (POP3 over IMAP): - setup the account as IMAP - Once connected, copy all remote messages waiting to a local folder (with a name such as Local INBOX) and then delete them from the IMAP4 server - Reply and process messages in the Local INBOX as if it had come over POP3; apply filters to them with the contextual menu.
Re: Of iCloud and Lotto...
Well it seems that quiting PowerMail got them gone. I think my PowerMail implementation for mac.com is clear. I find that I need to physically move messages to folders where I want to store them, not use the filters. But the filters on sent messages work! I can live with that. Midi Midi caused electrons to hula in cyberspace with: I am back to using PowerMail for my mac.com email under Lion. I can have Apple Mail off pretty much most of the time but have to check an Exchange server on one account occasionally. (I could never make the Exchange server work with PowerMail and get so few messages there, I gave up.) So, all my old Mail messages came into the inbox but how do I delete them? I tried and they are now grey but still there. I moved them to the appropriate folder first so there is an accesible version. Midi CTM caused electrons to hula in cyberspace with: Peter Lovell was suggesting (POP3 over IMAP): - setup the account as IMAP - Once connected, copy all remote messages waiting to a local folder (with a name such as Local INBOX) and then delete them from the IMAP4 server - Reply and process messages in the Local INBOX as if it had come over POP3; apply filters to them with the contextual menu.
Re: Of iCloud and Lotto...
I am back to using PowerMail for my mac.com email under Lion. I can have Apple Mail off pretty much most of the time but have to check an Exchange server on one account occasionally. (I could never make the Exchange server work with PowerMail and get so few messages there, I gave up.) So, all my old Mail messages came into the inbox but how do I delete them? I tried and they are now grey but still there. I moved them to the appropriate folder first so there is an accesible version. Midi CTM caused electrons to hula in cyberspace with: Peter Lovell was suggesting (POP3 over IMAP): - setup the account as IMAP - Once connected, copy all remote messages waiting to a local folder (with a name such as Local INBOX) and then delete them from the IMAP4 server - Reply and process messages in the Local INBOX as if it had come over POP3; apply filters to them with the contextual menu.
