Re: PowerMail into the future

[Mark Gerber]

On 09/30/2009 at 9:05 AM, the universe arranged itself so, to many
involved, it appeared that Tim Hodgson said:

>Yep, it seems to be missing from the manual, but it's in the 6.0 release
>notes:
>
>
>
>It's invoked by Ctrl - Alt clicking (or Alt - right-clicking) on the
>message list. Not sure how to get the log window to show up though.

Thanks, Tim, that's what I was looking for. The log window will pop up
with the results


(apologies for stealing the subject line--should have changed that)

Mark

Mark Gerber

Re: PowerMail into the future

[Tim Hodgson]

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 13:04 -0400, Mark Gerber wrote:

>I need to track down why a few filters are failing. Isn't there a window
>that will show feedback of each step in the filter list? I can't find it
>nor can I find a reference to it in the manual.
>
>Appreciate any help in locating this thing.

Yep, it seems to be missing from the manual, but it's in the 6.0 release
notes:



It's invoked by Ctrl - Alt clicking (or Alt - right-clicking) on the
message list. Not sure how to get the log window to show up though.
--
TimH

PowerMail 6.0.2 (build 4601) | OS X 10.5.6 | MacBook Pro/2.4GHz | 4 GB RAM

Re: PowerMail into the future

[Mark Gerber]

I need to track down why a few filters are failing. Isn't there a window
that will show feedback of each step in the filter list? I can't find it
nor can I find a reference to it in the manual.

Appreciate any help in locating this thing.

Mark

Mark Gerber

Re: PowerMail into the future

[RockLily]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Mirko compellingly composed,
painstakingly penned, then roundfiled a lyrical masterpiece of an
email then hastily scribbled


>>>Does this work for you?
>>>http://homepage.mac.com/jacksim/software/imp41.html
>>>
>>>Mirko

YES!!! Thank you so much! I think this is probably what I used a few
years back to fix it in the first place, but I couldn't remember what it
was. Sooo much more convenient now. 8-)

Jo



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Re: PowerMail into the future

[Mirko Kranenburg]

retry
>>On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 12:07:34 -0700, RockLily  wrote:
>>> The only things I wish it
>>> would do are those occasional things like someone mentioned where you
>>> can interact with iCal or whatever (iPhoto, for instance, is the one I
>>> would use most - and I am no longer able to figure out how to fix the
>>> latest iPhoto so that the clickable 'email' icon directs the photo to
>PM
>>> instead of Mail), which Mail is obviously set up to do.
>>
>>Does this work for you?
>>http://homepage.mac.com/jacksim/software/imp41.html
>>
>>Mirko

--
Mirko Kranenburg
e-mail mirko-l...@xs4all.nl

Re: PowerMail into the future

[RockLily]

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009, at 1:52 PM, A compellingly composed, painstakingly
penned, then roundfiled a lyrical masterpiece of an email then
hastily scribbled


>  What has begun to get old, though, are all the little
>gooky things that people put into their html e-mails.  Now I have to
>sort through a folder of .gif's to find the downloaded files.

at one point, I think I set up a filter to get rid of those win.dat (??
I can't remember exactly what they were??) files that seemed to come
regularly, but I wonder if there's some way to strip out the various
'stationery' aspects of html mail that people tend to send? I would LOVE
to be able to do that.

I was a Claris Emailer user also, who glommed onto PowerMail when
Emailer went away.. been here ever since. The only things I wish it
would do are those occasional things like someone mentioned where you
can interact with iCal or whatever (iPhoto, for instance, is the one I
would use most - and I am no longer able to figure out how to fix the
latest iPhoto so that the clickable 'email' icon directs the photo to PM
instead of Mail), which Mail is obviously set up to do.



Jo

A woman has the last word in any argument. Anything a man says after
that is the beginning of a new argument.

Re: PowerMail into the future

[Mirko Kranenburg]

The only thing I need from PowerMail, really, is an upgrade to full IMAP 
support.
I have some workarounds with rules adding BCC to outgoing messages and 
filtering them back on receipt as sent mail, and other stuff to mimic 
the appearance of identical maildatabases on different computers, but 
that does not cut it on the long run.

I don't like Mail, too slow, I am currently using Postbox.
But while that is an excellent IMAP client, it is so-so as a mailclient. 
I miss PM's interface, speed, comprehensive searching, filters, and all 
those little things like Recent Mail window and stuff you only realise 
when you use something else.


I've had some open and frank emails around this with Jerome, and I 
understand that granting my wish is a huge undertaking for CTM.
But I keep hoping that the open Thunderbird sourcecode for IMAP will 
find its way into a next PM release.


While I am typing this in Postbox, I am at the verge of getting back to 
PowerMail, for the umpteenth time


Mirko

Re: PowerMail into the future

[Jeremy Hughes]

Sean McBride (2/9/09, 04:08) said:

>Wow, you guys are lucky.  You must also not get lots of mail. :) Mine
>only goes back to 2006 because of PowerMail's 2 GB database limit.
>That's what I'd most like to see changed.

Ditto!

Power Mail should move away from its single monolithic database. If it
used separate databases for each mail folder, it wouldn't matter so much
if folder databases had a 2 GB limit. Having a single monolithic
database with a 2 GB limit is just crippling.

The main reasons I haven't switched to Apple Mail yet are (1) searching
and (2) filtering are better in Power Mail.

Jeremy

Re: PowerMail into the future

[Sean McBride]

A Sanna (asa...@sacofoods.com) on 2009-09-02 4:52 PM said:

>My database goes back a while, as well - 12 years, to
>September 4, 1997.

Wow, you guys are lucky.  You must also not get lots of mail. :) Mine
only goes back to 2006 because of PowerMail's 2 GB database limit.
That's what I'd most like to see changed.

Sean

Re: PowerMail into the future

[A Sanna]

>your thoughtful note gave me a slight deja vu feeling, thinking of my
>experience with Claris Emailer, which I've used years ago til it got
>abandoned.

Me too.  I loved the simplicity of Claris.  When I ran across PowerMail,
while looking foe replacement, I was certain that PM was a reincarnation
of the old Claris group.

I like the simplicity of text e-mail, with attachments sorted into my
DownLoads folder.  What has begun to get old, though, are all the little
gooky things that people put into their html e-mails.  Now I have to
sort through a folder of .gif's to find the downloaded files.

I've thought of using Mail on & off for a while, but always give up the
thought.  My database goes back a while, as well - 12 years, to
September 4, 1997.

Tony
--
Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
1-800-373-7226
asa...@sacofoods.com

Re: PowerMail into the future

[Jörg Wagner]

Ben,

your thoughtful note gave me a slight deja vu feeling, thinking of my  
experience with Claris Emailer, which I've used years ago til it got  
abandoned. Luckily there was PowerMail filling the gap, and with its  
outstanding import/export-filters superior to its competitors of its  
time. So my inbox mails reach back to 1996.


I chose PM because I didn't feel locked in a monolithic database  
structure like that Outlook monster. And I like my attachments in a  
separate folder (don't know if Apple Mail supports this). Evaluating  
alternatives like gyazmail or Mailsmith regulary results in thinking  
"why change my workflow? Didn't PM serve me well all those years?".


So I keep standing by my Mail client I like most. Every day it crashes  
once (since version 4 til 6), but never lost data. It sure looks  
dated, but never bloated. Except for MacSoup, it is the mac app I've  
used the longest period.


I would like to see a basic "folder lock" feature, just to prevent  
accidentally looks by guests clicking around. And, of course,  
rewriting it running as a 64 bit cocoa app for activity monitor's  
sake ;)


So I hope PM keeps playing in the premium client's league and stays  
compatible even with Apple's upcoming 10.7 OS...


Cheers

Jörg

Am 02.09.2009 um 19:37 schrieb "Ben Kennedy" :


PowerMail is the classic example of a great product that's no longer
commercially viable enough to dump lots of speculative development
investment into -- in part due to having had its potential marked
decimated, for several years, by a product given away for free with  
the

OS that's "good enough for most people".

Re: PowerMail into the future

[Tim lapin]

Alan Harper wrote:

You speak the truth, Ben. And not only is Powermail competing with Apple
Mail, there is also Gmail, which will soon rule the world. I mean, even
Microsoft is worried about Google Apps.

A



Don't forget Thunderbird.  I already use Thunderbird (on a PC) at work 
to monitor this account as well as my gmail account, by IMAP no less.  I 
plan to convert all my home POP access (sympatico) to an equivalent IMAP 
account (gmail).  I am well into the world of mozilla and google.  All 
free, all easy to set up and use.


As far as my wish list goes, I could not get my exchange account to work 
 whereas it works like a charm with T-Bird.  I must be missing 
something but the configuration of the account using T-Bird is as simple 
as ABC with no special issues to be dealt with, unlike my experience 
with PowerMail.  Is it because my PC is already in the proper Active 
Directory domain and my home Mac is not?


As a result (rightly or wrongly), I would like to see better IMAP 
support, something that I understand is lacking to some degree, almost 
by design.


HTML mail is still something that needs work as well.

One issue that does not yet plague me is the 2 GB limit, now handled by 
a workaround, IIRC.



Speaking of IMAP and google, does anyone access their gmail account via 
IMAP in PowerMail?  Do you find that it works well?  Is it possible to 
convert an existing POP setup to IMAP or would I have to delete the 
account and recreate it using IMAP?

Re: PowerMail into the future

[Ben Kennedy]

Jan M.J. Storms wrote at 2:47 PM (+0200) on 9/2/09:

>I believe that PowerMail can continue to thrive in the future, as a
>commercial mail client on Mac OS X, if it provides [...]

PowerMail is the classic example of a great product that's no longer
commercially viable enough to dump lots of speculative development
investment into -- in part due to having had its potential marked
decimated, for several years, by a product given away for free with the
OS that's "good enough for most people".

Speaking as a struggling indie developer myself, I am wholly sympathetic
with both CTM's position as well as the users'.  It's a tough
situation.  Encouragement is always nice to hear, but probably the most
useful way to make a convincing business case is to start by getting 100
of your friends to buy the current version.

-ben

--
Ben Kennedy (chief magician)
zygoat creative technical services
http://www.zygoat.ca

Re: PowerMail into the future

[Jim Pistrang]

Hi Alan,

>However, I would switch to Mail in a heartbeat if I thought it could
>manage and search through my extensive email database as well as
>PowerMail does.

Same here.  Everything on the wish list is something I'm looking for
too, but the PowerMail database continues to be far far better than
anything else I've looked at.

Jim

--
Jim Pistrang
JP Computer Resources
Certified Member, Apple Consultants Network
413-256-4569

Re: PowerMail into the future

[Mark Gerber]

On 09/02/2009 at 8:47 AM, the universe arranged itself so, to many
involved, it appeared that Jan M.J. Storms said:

>Some features that would help PowerMail compete:
>
>1) notes and tasks
>2) integration with iCal
>3) wysiwyg that at least matches Mail's
>4) integration with Marketcircle's Daylite
>5) support for Microsoft Exchange
>6) ...
>
>I realise that making a wish list is easy. Implementing features takes a
>lot of work. But a reinvigorated PowerMail may be what it takes to
>ensure a commercially viable future.

Yesterday, for the first time in a few years, I started looking a little
more closely at Mail. The impetus for this was Chronos' upgrade
announcement of SOHO Organizer, which I use quite extensively. One of
its new features is the ability to select a contact and show all e-mail
correspondence associated with that contact. Of course, it only works
with Mail. But it's a feature I could really use.

Until now, I hadn't known of several of Mail's features, such as Notes
and To Dos and integration with iCal. But I can see how those could be
very handy and I look forward to PowerMail gaining some or all of these
features as suggested by Jan. The thing that stopped me from looking at
Mail for the time being, is it's apparent lack of search features which
seems to be limited to a single Find field. I could be wrong about that,
but that alone will keep me with PowerMail for the time being.

On the other hand, if Mail strengthens that feature and PowerMail
doesn't grow to include some of those options from Mail, I'll be taking
another look.

Mark

Mark Gerber