Re: multiple installs > one database

[Tobias Jung]

John Snippe  wrote (Sat, 10 Jul 2010 11:16:29 -0400):

> Do you know if there is a trick to getting Mailsmith to resolve
> aliases?  I am attempting to store the 'user dababase' outside the
> default location, and the docs say this is possible, but so far no
> joy...

Sorry, I can't help you; I never tried something like this.

Kind regards,
Tobias Jung

Re: multiple installs > one database

[John Snippe]

On 10-Jul-10, at 10:57 AM, Tobias Jung wrote:


No, it's the other way round:
While the old version used a database (or maybe mbox files with a  
single

file for each mail folder, can't remember at the moment) the current
version indeed stores an individual file for each message.


MyBad... you are absolutely right.  I could use Coda to browse my  
email ;-)


Do you know if there is a trick to getting Mailsmith to resolve  
aliases?  I am attempting to store the 'user dababase' outside the  
default location, and the docs say this is possible, but so far no  
joy...


--
John Snippe

Re: multiple installs > one database

[Tobias Jung]

John Snippe  wrote (Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:39:09 -0400):

> Actually, afaik the current iteration does indeed use a database
> rather than text-file system... it was apparently the first thing the
> developer changed in going from v2.2 to v2.2.5 once BareBones let it
> go.  It's one of the things that somewhat disappointed me about this
> new version as I am kinda-sorta still old-school about liking text
> files ;-)

No, it's the other way round:
While the old version used a database (or maybe mbox files with a single
file for each mail folder, can't remember at the moment) the current
version indeed stores an individual file for each message.

It's somewhat "disguised" since there seems to be a single file called
"Mail" in the Mailsmith User Data directory but actually it's a package.
When you select "Show package content" (or whatever this menu item is
called in the english version) from the Finder contextual menu you'll
see various folders, and within those folders, the message files.

Trust me, I've Mailsmith 2.2.5 installed here on my system -- because of
PowerMail, I don't really need it but I was curious enough to test it... ;-)

Kind regards,
Tobias Jung

Re: multiple installs > one database

[Powermail]

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Am 10.07.10 14:07, schrieb John Snippe:
> 
> On 8-Jul-10, at 8:10 AM, MB wrote:
> 
>> I didn't get there was multiple users, just multiple accounts. So this
>> involves many users?
> 
> To be accurate, it's currently two users and three computer locations...
> tho that could grow.
> 
> IMAP could work, except that it's interfaces (eg: squirrelmail) tend to
> be so primitive, and lack control.
> 
> Anyone here have experience with Mailsmith?

you maybe want to take a look on Thundrbird or Apple Mail.
Both work well with several IMAP accounts.

If you administer your server, you could install RoundCube instead of
SquirrelMail. RoundCube needs additional a mySQL installed, but has a
nice interface.

cheers
Matthias
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Re: multiple installs > one database

[John Snippe]

On 10-Jul-10, at 9:51 AM, Tobias Jung wrote:


And Mailsmith doesn't work with a single database but individual files
(one file for each message) and I don't know what will happen if you
just sync those files between various computers.



Actually, afaik the current iteration does indeed use a database  
rather than text-file system... it was apparently the first thing the  
developer changed in going from v2.2 to v2.2.5 once BareBones let it  
go.  It's one of the things that somewhat disappointed me about this  
new version as I am kinda-sorta still old-school about liking text  
files ;-)


It would actually not be a 'sync' issue per se, if I set up the "user  
database" in the Dropbox folder, and alias that folder to the various  
installs (I think...)   That's something I am hoping to test, in any  
event.


I feel so unfaithful having this discourse here...

BTW: the sales department did get through to me this AM with a multi- 
license promo coupon... thanks, Chantal ;-)

--
John Snippe

Re: multiple installs > one database

[Tobias Jung]

John Snippe  wrote (Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:07:46 -0400):

> IMAP could work, except that it's interfaces (eg: squirrelmail) tend
> to be so primitive, and lack control.
>
> Anyone here have experience with Mailsmith?

I like Mailsmith, and if it had been free at the time when I was looking
for a new email client, I admit I might have chosen Mailsmith instead of
PowerMail.

However, while PowerMail's IMAP support it quite "basic", Mailsmith
doesn't support IMAP at all. And, according to the author, it probably
never will.
And Mailsmith doesn't work with a single database but individual files
(one file for each message) and I don't know what will happen if you
just sync those files between various computers.

Kind regards,
Tobias Jung

Re: multiple installs > one database

[John Snippe]

On 8-Jul-10, at 8:10 AM, MB wrote:


I didn't get there was multiple users, just multiple accounts. So this
involves many users?


To be accurate, it's currently two users and three computer  
locations... tho that could grow.


IMAP could work, except that it's interfaces (eg: squirrelmail) tend  
to be so primitive, and lack control.


Anyone here have experience with Mailsmith?

--
John Snippe

Re: multiple installs > one database

[Powermail]

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Am 08.07.10 14:02, schrieb John Snippe:
> 
> On 8-Jul-10, at 6:43 AM, MB wrote:
> 
>> That could be said, however this is ruling out PowerMail as a client
>> IMHO as the IMAP-support is very basic. But this does depend on the
>> amount of traffic of course. I do check webmail accounts with more
>> sporadic traffic via IMAP in PowerMail
> 
> Yes, that's an option I am looking at.  We have Squirrel on the
> server... but it's REALLY not pwermail, is it?!?

Squirrel is like Roundcube a Webmail frontend for Cyrrus or Dovecot IMAP
Server. This has nothing to do with Powermail.


> 
> I wonder if "environments" will help with the corruption issue... it
> could limit database access to a 'one user - multiple points of access'
> situation, which would stop update collisions and that inherent risk of
> corruption.  Yes/no?

Environments are different databases in Powermail.

That what you try to achieve is best done with IMAP.
If you are having more than 1 mail-account, I'd look into different
mailclients, like Apple Mail or Thunderbird for that.
Powermail was imho not really designed as a IMAP frontend, but as a POP
Mailclient. The clear GUI and the well designed search function of
Powermail is uncompareable to other mail clients, but if you need to
extensivly work with IMAP and/or PGP PM is not the best choice.

cheers
Matthias
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Re: multiple installs > one database

[MB]

John Snippe said:

>I wonder if "environments" will help with the corruption issue... it  
>could limit database access to a 'one user - multiple points of  
>access' situation, which would stop update collisions and that  
>inherent risk of corruption.  Yes/no?

I didn't get there was multiple users, just multiple accounts. So this
involves many users?

Why would many users even be sharing the same environment or even the
same OS X account? There's benefit somewhere?

Re: multiple installs > one database

[John Snippe]

On 8-Jul-10, at 6:43 AM, MB wrote:


That could be said, however this is ruling out PowerMail as a client
IMHO as the IMAP-support is very basic. But this does depend on the
amount of traffic of course. I do check webmail accounts with more
sporadic traffic via IMAP in PowerMail


Yes, that's an option I am looking at.  We have Squirrel on the  
server... but it's REALLY not pwermail, is it?!?


I wonder if "environments" will help with the corruption issue... it  
could limit database access to a 'one user - multiple points of  
access' situation, which would stop update collisions and that  
inherent risk of corruption.  Yes/no?


--
John Snippe

Re: multiple installs > one database

[MB]

*John Snippe asked:

>So my question is two-fold:  it is possible to have 3 or more installs  
>of Powermail be able to access a single database folder
It's certainly possible but not likely to be practical unless you're on
the same stable network subnet.

>, and/or is it  
>possible for more than one user to access a database folder at a time,
It's not possible nor would it be recommended to even attempt it.

*Beatrix Willius said:

>IMAP was designed for this sort of problem.
That could be said, however this is ruling out PowerMail as a client
IMHO as the IMAP-support is very basic. But this does depend on the
amount of traffic of course. I do check webmail accounts with more
sporadic traffic via IMAP in PowerMail.

Unfortunately leaving the messages on server and fetching via POP from
multiple locations is inadvisable as PowerMail more often than other
clients in my experience misses to fetch occasional messages and fetches
a lot of duplicates as well, at least so on high volume accounts. And
this with only one DB and one client in one location. It's a drag really. 


MB

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Re: multiple installs > one database

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Am 07.07.10 14:07, schrieb John Snippe:
> I am needing to be able to access email and other files from various
> locations, and have set up a Dropbox account to facilitate that (1:
>  )... it maintains sync of files placed in it's
> folder between various locations using the same account via internet. 
> Totally transparent and very nice.
> 
> So my question is two-fold:  it is possible to have 3 or more installs
> of Powermail be able to access a single database folder, and/or is it

imho this is possible as long as the different clients don't access the
database in the same time.

> possible for more than one user to access a database folder at a time,

I don't think so.
For that you would need a client-server database, imho the PM database
was not designed for that purpose. Maybe Jérôme can clarify that.

> or more specifically, is the database capable of autosave from multiple
> locations at the same time without corrupting?   I ask this 'corruption'
> question because I already know, and it has been documented, that there
> is an issue in this regard using Dropbox with Filemaker, and we've had
> to take measures to ensure safety in that regard.

why don't you use IMAP and shared folders for that?

> 
> Also:  is it possible to have separate databases on a single install for
> different email accounts?

this is possible.
You can change the environment from the file menu.

cheers
Matthias

> 
> Does this even make sense to you?  It does to me, but I fear my
> explanation may be somewhat lacking...
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Re: multiple installs > one database

[Tobias Jung]

Sorry, I can't help you with your first question.
But regarding the second one:

John Snippe  wrote (Wed, 7 Jul 2010 08:07:31 -0400):
> Also:  is it possible to have separate databases on a single install
> for different email accounts?

Yes, by creating a new User Environment (in PowerMail's File/Database
submenu).

Kind regards,
Tobias Jung

Re: multiple installs > one database

[Beatrix Willius]

One word: IMAP.

What you are trying is to adapt a single user database as multiple user 
database. Most likely this will work for a time and then will give you a nice 
and subtle corruption. IMAP was designed for this sort of problem.

Regards

Trixi Willius

 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 08:07:31 -0400
> Von: John Snippe 
> An: PowerMail discussions 
> Betreff: multiple installs > one database

> I am needing to be able to access email and other files from various  
> locations, and have set up a Dropbox account to facilitate that (1:
> <http://www.dropbox.com 
>  > )... it maintains sync of files placed in it's folder between  
> various locations using the same account via internet.  Totally  
> transparent and very nice.
> 
> So my question is two-fold:  it is possible to have 3 or more installs  
> of Powermail be able to access a single database folder, and/or is it  
> possible for more than one user to access a database folder at a time,  
> or more specifically, is the database capable of autosave from  
> multiple locations at the same time without corrupting?   I ask this  
> 'corruption' question because I already know, and it has been  
> documented, that there is an issue in this regard using Dropbox with  
> Filemaker, and we've had to take measures to ensure safety in that  
> regard.
> 
> Also:  is it possible to have separate databases on a single install  
> for different email accounts?
> 
> Does this even make sense to you?  It does to me, but I fear my  
> explanation may be somewhat lacking...
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multiple installs > one database

[John Snippe]

I am needing to be able to access email and other files from various  
locations, and have set up a Dropbox account to facilitate that (1:  )... it maintains sync of files placed in it's folder between  
various locations using the same account via internet.  Totally  
transparent and very nice.


So my question is two-fold:  it is possible to have 3 or more installs  
of Powermail be able to access a single database folder, and/or is it  
possible for more than one user to access a database folder at a time,  
or more specifically, is the database capable of autosave from  
multiple locations at the same time without corrupting?   I ask this  
'corruption' question because I already know, and it has been  
documented, that there is an issue in this regard using Dropbox with  
Filemaker, and we've had to take measures to ensure safety in that  
regard.


Also:  is it possible to have separate databases on a single install  
for different email accounts?


Does this even make sense to you?  It does to me, but I fear my  
explanation may be somewhat lacking...


--
John Snippe

1:  if this interests you, please sign in via this link... we both  
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