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droolmode Hi all, I visited the IBC at Amsterdam, http://www.apple.com/uk/hotnews/articles/ibc/ http://www.macbillboard.com/pages/reviewpage1.html and the 30 cinema displays really are beyond imagination! If you can afford them... well don't hesitate. To me they are superb and worth the money (oh well, if I had the money, that is...) And yes, the iMac G5 looks better in real life then in the pictures. Karel /droolmode
Re: Powermail vs. Thunderbird (off topic)
... Great filter, Mr. Gates. Why don't you hire Mike Tsai. I seem to recall a scene like this in The Empire Strikes Back. Don't do it Mike Tsaiwalker! :D Chris --
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Rick, Yeah, the G4 was a different story I think... They had a whole different problems back then (mostly marketing related)... The G3 was really nearing the end of it's design limits and they had to do SOMETHING to remain competitive (keep in my Intel CPUs are now running at, what, 3ghz? Not that this is the most important consideration, of course, but the marketing guys have done a job on selling this concept..)... The G5 from Apple, on the other hand, has CLEARLY been redesigned from the ground up I'm not saying there aren't going to be bugs in other areas (there might be), but as far as the CPU itself goes - I think we can safely say the G5 CPU will not be giving anyone headaches The G5 *DOES* give off a MASSIVE amount of heat, but it sounds like they've managed to engineer around that problem pretty well.. I'm not sure when/ if ever you will see this in a laptop though From a architectural perspective, I have to say, that the G5 is definitely NOT something I would associate with a desktop-type of system... I would expect to find this type of architecture in a well- designed UNIX workstation... Go look at Sun and SGI web sites, you'll see similar attention-to-detail.. For those people who might say $2500 is a lot, all I can say, is that in 1988 a Cray Y-MP set a record, at that time, for a sustained speed of 2.3 gigaflops. It is still *VERY* impressive performance even by todays standards (Note, PC manufactures use peak gigaflops not sustained gigaflops which will always be quite a bit higher, so it's not comparing apples-to-apples exactly): Pentium III 1.7Ghz: 1 gigaflop (this may be slightly off) Pentium IV 1.7Ghz: 1.7 gigaflops (this may be slightly off) PowerPC G4 733 Mhz: 2.9 gigaflops Apple G4 1.25 Ghz dual processor: 18 gigaflops (!) Apple G5 ??? (I can't find any figures yet - anyone know?)... Of course gigaflop performance doesn't really tell the whole picture, as it only benchmarks the CPU and it's floating-point performance... ... I'm definitely getting one because from my perspective it is going to be one of the lowest priced UNIX workstations I've ever bought... - Greg Greg, stop it, you're making me drool on my keyboard. You're right though; I was initially suffering from niggling doubts fed by memories of the first G4s -- which were not really as good in terms of overall build as their almost-immediate successors. But that was because Apple sort of show-horned the G4 processor onto the G3 motherboard or something, whereas the G5s have apparently been built for the job from the ground upwards, without 'making do' with older, rather unsuitable stock components. Dammit, I sooo want one of these things. Some might say that 2500 quid is a lot to spend for decent Unreal Tournament performance, but it's all about priorities... Oh, and iSight looks wonderful too. Can't wait. Rick
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I wouldn't worry to much about bugs in this CPU... It is also used in many of IBMs high-end UNIX systems - where bugs are simply intolerable IBM has an outstanding reputation in this regard and so does Apple really... I really want one... Right now I am oly on a 400Mhz G3 that is getting rather dated and slow with OS-X... This G5 is just-what-the-doctor- ordered... Incidentally, at my last consulting project I had the opportunity to work with a 64-bit Sun workstation and the performance was phenomenal... If the G5 is anywhere near that (probably better since the Sun has been out for a while) it will be awesome.. - Greg Just an simple observation. I moved from a G3 266 to a G4 500 and noticed a bump in improvement but nothing outrageous. I wouldn't even consider a G4 1400 upgrade unless I was heavy into video work and 3D rendering or continuously using large files in Pshop. I am content to wait till the next real screaming speed increase before upgrading. Yeah, well, it looks like this IS the real screaming speed increase. I was emailing a tech-savvy friend of mine (I wouldn't know backside cache from my backside) and speculating how nice it would be to be able to swap my 500 MHz DP for a 2GHz DP and get a 4-5x speed increase. He said, no, you don't get it; the change in chip architecture means that the 2GHz DP won't be 4 times as fast as yours, it'll be somewhere around 10-15 times faster than my current one. I *do* continuously use large photoshop files -- I can't wait to get one of these beasts; I'm not sure I can restrain myself to give them 6 months breaking-in/shakedown time. Okay, enough. I was a bit cheeky to start this as a thread on the PM list, but hey, it's the big news for all mac users. Saving money hard... Rick --- G4/500 MHz (DP) :: OS X 10.2.6 :: 768 MB RAM PM 4.1.3 :: 3 pane mode www.sharkattack.co.uk
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I was just reading another list about my EOS and for a moment thought you meant the Canon G5 camera that just came out!!! Gotta keep my head straight. Jeff T -Original Message- From: Rick Lecoat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:17 AM To: PowerMail Discussions Subject: off topic but... For all the graphic/audio/video professionals on this list... How about those G5s then? Rick (I know, I know, there are proper forums for this kind of thing. But I never visit them and I read this list every day). ;-)
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Rick Lecoat sez: Yeah, well, it looks like this IS the real screaming speed increase. I was emailing a tech-savvy friend of mine (I wouldn't know backside cache from my backside) and speculating how nice it would be to be able to swap my 500 MHz DP for a 2GHz DP and get a 4-5x speed increase. He said, no, you don't get it; the change in chip architecture means that the 2GHz DP won't be 4 times as fast as yours, it'll be somewhere around 10-15 times faster than my current one. Plus the fact that there are changes to the motherboard all around, too. Faster DRAM, up to 1GHz front end bus speed for the processor(s), 8x AGP slot for the video card... Just dropping a G5 upgrade into one of our current G4 systems would not get the benefit of all the possible speed increases! I'm looking forward to saving up money to buy one of these! -- Michael Lewis Off Balance Productions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.offbalance.com
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On 6/24/03 9:15 AM, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *do* continuously use large photoshop files -- I can't wait to get one of these beasts; I'm not sure I can restrain myself to give them 6 months breaking-in/shakedown time. Okay, enough. I was a bit cheeky to start this as a thread on the PM list, but hey, it's the big news for all mac users. Saving money hard... Rick I, for one, will be interested in the reports of actual users. Jeff Jefferis Peterson, Pres. Web Design and Marketing http://www.PetersonSales.com
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Original message: Received from Jefferis Peterson on 24/6/03 at 12:38 pm Just an simple observation. I moved from a G3 266 to a G4 500 and noticed a bump in improvement but nothing outrageous. I wouldn't even consider a G4 1400 upgrade unless I was heavy into video work and 3D rendering or continuously using large files in Pshop. I am content to wait till the next real screaming speed increase before upgrading. Yeah, well, it looks like this IS the real screaming speed increase. I was emailing a tech-savvy friend of mine (I wouldn't know backside cache from my backside) and speculating how nice it would be to be able to swap my 500 MHz DP for a 2GHz DP and get a 4-5x speed increase. He said, no, you don't get it; the change in chip architecture means that the 2GHz DP won't be 4 times as fast as yours, it'll be somewhere around 10-15 times faster than my current one. I *do* continuously use large photoshop files -- I can't wait to get one of these beasts; I'm not sure I can restrain myself to give them 6 months breaking-in/shakedown time. Okay, enough. I was a bit cheeky to start this as a thread on the PM list, but hey, it's the big news for all mac users. Saving money hard... Rick --- G4/500 MHz (DP) :: OS X 10.2.6 :: 768 MB RAM PM 4.1.3 :: 3 pane mode www.sharkattack.co.uk
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:17:13 +0100 Rick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: For all the graphic/audio/video professionals on this list... How about those G5s then? Ask me again in August when mine arrives! -- Judi Sohn . Mom at Home Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] . AIM/iChat: JudiS217 http://www.momathome.com . http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome (weblog)
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On 6/24/03 6:17 AM, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all the graphic/audio/video professionals on this list... How about those G5s then? Rick (I know, I know Just an simple observation. I moved from a G3 266 to a G4 500 and noticed a bump in improvement but nothing outrageous. I wouldn't even consider a G4 1400 upgrade unless I was heavy into video work and 3D rendering or continuously using large files in Pshop. I am content to wait till the next real screaming speed increase before upgrading. Jefferis Peterson, Pres. Web Design and Marketing http://www.PetersonSales.com
