[OT] Hillary Clinton lies about anouncing precidency

[Michael Madigan]

All these months she said she wasn't sure whether she
was going to run or not.  Well look at the trees in
the window.  This was probably shot in the spring or
summer.  So all this time she lied about not making up
her mind.

What crapola.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/video/

Saddam - Hung for the Holidays
http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike


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Re: [OT] The Mayonnaise Jar and 2 Cups of Coffee

[Helio W.]

Madigan and his obsession.

I'm certain Madandgay cherishes Tom Faggard's asshole.


On 1/21/07, Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Michael Madigan wrote:
> > I thought you cherished Toshi's asshole?
> >
>
> Thanks Mike. Now the world is as it should be.
>
> hahaha
>
> >
> > --- Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >> And just when I thought I had you figured out you
> >> come up with this!!!
> >>
> >> Please! Stay in character and keep being the asshole
> >> we all cherish.
> >>
> >>
>
>
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Re: [OT] The Mayonnaise Jar and 2 Cups of Coffee

[Helio W.]

Self-help crap...

On 1/21/07, Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Michael Madigan wrote:
> > The Mayonnaise Jar and 2 Cups of Coffee
> >
> > When things in your lives seem almost too much to
> > handle, when 24 hours in a day are not enough,
> > remember the mayonnaise jar and the 2 cups of coffee.
> > A professor stood before his philosophy class and had
> > some items in front of him. When the class began, he
> > wordlessly picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise
> > jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then
> > asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed
> > that it was.
> >
> > The professor then picked up a box of pebbles and
> > poured them into the jar. He shook the ! Jar lightly.
> > ! The pebbles rolled into the open areas between the
> > golf balls. He then asked the students again if the
> > jar was full. They agreed it was.
> >
> > The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured
> > it into the jar. Of course, the sand filled up
> > everything else. He asked once more if the jar was
> > full. The students responded with an unanimous "yes."
> >
> > The professor then produced two cups of coffee from
> > under the table and poured the entire contents into
> > the jar effectively filling the empty space between
> > the sand. The students laughed.
> >
> > "Now," said the professor as the laughter subsided, "I
> > want you to recognize that this jar represents your
> > life. The golf balls are the important things--your
> > family, your children, your health, your friends and
> > your favorite passions---and if everything else was
> > lost and only they remained, your life would still be
> > full.
> > The pebbles are the other things that matter like your
> > job , your house and your car.
> >
> > The sand is everything else---the small stuff. "If you
> > put the sand into the jar first," he continued, "there
> > is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same
> > goes for life. If you spend all your time and energy
> > on the small stuff you will never have room for the
> > things that are important to you.
> >
> > "Pay attention to the things that are critical to your
> > happiness. Play with your children. Take time to get
> > medical checkups. Take your spouse out to dinner. Play
> > another 18. There will always be time to clean the
> > house and fix the disposal. Take care of the golf
> > balls first---the things that really matter. Set your
> > priorities. The rest is just sand."
> >
> > One of the students raised her hand and inquired what
> > the coffee represented. The professor smiled. "I'm
> > glad you asked.
> > It just goes to show you that no matter how full your
> > life may seem, there's always room for a couple of
> > cups of coffee with a friend."
> >
> > Please share this with someone you care about.
> >
> >
>
> And just when I thought I had you figured out you come up with this!!!
>
> Please! Stay in character and keep being the asshole we all cherish.
>
>
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Re: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global WarmingSkeptics

[Michael Madigan]

Could you please resend that message in English.


--- "Helio W." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Funny thing is that Madagain find Global Warming an
> absurd theory but he
> believes in criacionism LOL... not no mention the
> ridiculous "god theory".
> 
> On 1/21/07, Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Michael Madigan wrote:
> > > He just called you a retard, Retardo.
> > >
> >
> > Now THAT'S your true self! Keep it going Mike!
> >
> > >
> > > --- Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:02 AM, Ricardo Aráoz
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hello! Anyone there? Hello!!!
> > >>> Do you know the difference between a dialog a
> > >> monologue ? 'cause
> > >>> you are
> > >>> not answering to what I say, you just spurt
> your
> > >> slogans and that's
> > >>> all.
> > >>> I don't object to that, but you might do it in
> a
> > >> different thread.
> > >>
> > >>  ...and you're just noticing that now?
> > >>
> > >>  Jeez, you're a slow learner.
> > >>
> > >> -- Ed Leafe
> > >> -- http://leafe.com
> > >> -- http://dabodev.com
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
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Re: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global WarmingSkeptics

[Helio W.]

Funny thing is that Madagain find Global Warming an absurd theory but he
believes in criacionism LOL... not no mention the ridiculous "god theory".

On 1/21/07, Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Michael Madigan wrote:
> > He just called you a retard, Retardo.
> >
>
> Now THAT'S your true self! Keep it going Mike!
>
> >
> > --- Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:02 AM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello! Anyone there? Hello!!!
> >>> Do you know the difference between a dialog a
> >> monologue ? 'cause
> >>> you are
> >>> not answering to what I say, you just spurt your
> >> slogans and that's
> >>> all.
> >>> I don't object to that, but you might do it in a
> >> different thread.
> >>
> >>  ...and you're just noticing that now?
> >>
> >>  Jeez, you're a slow learner.
> >>
> >> -- Ed Leafe
> >> -- http://leafe.com
> >> -- http://dabodev.com
> >>
> >>
>
>
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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[Michael Madigan]

He can't possibly write code with that mind.


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> big difference
> kuwaits government asked for our help
> 
> how you could even discuss them at the same time is
> beyond me
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> From:  Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:15 pm
> Size:  1K
> To:  ProFox Email List 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > like I said
> > we went in and libereated kuwait
> > 
> > a fact you choose to ignore in order to make your
> point
> 
> Well, they went in and 'libereated' the towers. And
> that's also a fact
> you shouldn't ignore, acts have consequences.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > 
> > From:  Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
> > Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:03 am
> > Size:  1K
> > To:  ProFox Email List 
> > 
> > On Jan 21, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Virgil Bierschwale
> wrote:
> > 
> >> If the US gave the greenlight to invade kuwait,
> then why did we run  
> >> them out
> >> of there ?
> >> Seems to me that your theory is a lot different
> then the history that
> >> actually happened.
> > 
> > Oh, geez - everything is a theory with you now,
> is it? The cables  
> > that documented the meeting between April Glaspie
> and Saddam Hussein  
> > are theories, too, as is whether or not it
> contained English words,  
> > or some cleverly-encoded language that was
> designed to look like  
> > perfect English? The communications of our
> Ambassador are well- 
> > documented, had you bothered to look them up
> before spitting out  
> > another "seems to me" baseless opinion.
> > 
> > Just because you choose to be ignorant of a fact
> does not weaken the  
> > validity of that fact.
> > 
> > -- Ed Leafe
> > -- http://leafe.com
> > -- http://dabodev.com
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server

[Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh]

On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:29 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:

>   All you can get from a bounced message is the IP address of the
> server that is trying to send it to you. That could be the
> originator, or it could be an intermediate that is relaying the mail.

Thank you. The IP addresses are all different, so I guess I'll try to  
let a few through and see if I can find the IP of the machine that is  
really sending all of it.

Ken




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Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 21, 2007, at 8:03 PM, Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:

> Since all of these spambot messages are to an
> invalid user name, they are being bounced by my email server
> software, so they are never making it to any client. I don't know how
> to see anything more about bounced messages than what shows up in the
> eMail log.

All you can get from a bounced message is the IP address of the  
server that is trying to send it to you. That could be the  
originator, or it could be an intermediate that is relaying the mail.

-- Ed Leafe
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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> It wouldn’t bother me one bit to pull all of our resources out of every
> country and build a wall around us,

Yes I know. You've said it before. I was not answering you but some of
your statements with which I disagreed. No offense meant.

> 
> You're probably right about iraq, BUT they're entitled to their growing
> pains, which we went through too as anything is better then what they had.

Precisely my point! Imagine how would you have felt if in order to
'help' you with your civil war France would have invaded you for 'your
own good'.

> 
> I'm not much of a historian, so I did find your explanation of israel and
> palenstine interesting.

Please don't believe me. I've been wrong and been corrected in this same
list before. It is enough if you accept that possibility and investigate
a bit (internet is easy and fast enough, just don't go to Mike's page,
I'm sure it will state God was born in Texas and is his cousin (you
know, they're all cousins there)).

> 
> My biggest problem with all this mess is all the accusations and zero
> solutions proposed by anyone except bill  
> 

Yes, I can see that. But I usually take care when everybody sees a mess
and no clear way out and then comes this guy with shiny teeth and shiny
hair saying it's all so simple. He's usually trying to get to my wallet.


> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Ricardo Aráoz
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:09 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> guess you haven't heard a thing I said
>>
>> one. We should be out of countries that don't want us there
> 
> Cool! One caveat Nobody wants you in their country!
> 
>> two.iraq appears to want us there. Extremists don't
> 
> Nope. The puppet govt. you put into power wants you there. That's not
> necessarily Iraq. I don't really know what Iraq does want. I don't even know
> if there really IS something called Iraq, seeing how they fight it out
> between themselves. But in any case you should be out of the picture and
> they should solve their own problems, nobody named you world police, nobody
> wants you in that position, so step down.
> 
>> three.everything I see about palenstine makes me think that they have 
>> thrown the first punch from day one and I believe that if they would 
>> quit so
> would israell
> 
> You should remember that Israel was, at the end of WWII, under British
> hands. You should also remember that back then jews (they were not yet
> Israelis) would go around bombing places (I think you call it terrorism),
> and many of their later politicians started their careers in that manner.
> Then you should remember that the brits gave them Israel and the
> Palestinians were displaced from their lands.
> I will not play it easy. I know there are no innocent parties in this game.
> But the Israeli's have particularly bloody hands (maybe some things rubbed
> down from the Nazis?).
> 
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> From:  Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
>> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:57 pm
>> Size:  2K
>> To:  ProFox Email List 
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> lack of compassion and understanding is how you are coming acropss
>> Well you know. Sometimes looking in a mirror is good for you.
>>
>> I've seen the same lack in most posts here.
>>
>> Why is it that your dead are more important than palestinian, or iraqi 
>> dead? Or the other way round, why would you expect your dead to be 
>> important to me when other people's dead are of no concern to you?
>> Same thing applied to political issues : why do you think I should 
>> respect your politics when you don't respect other nations different 
>> ways of conceiving the world, freedom, or power?
>>
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>>
>>> From:  Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
>>> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:54 pm
>>> Size:  2K
>>> To:  ProFox Email List 
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 big difference
 kuwaits government asked for our help

>>> Usama asked for their help. There's always someone who'll ask you to 
>>> do whatever you'll do anyway.
>>>
 how you could even discuss them at the same time is beyond me
>>> That's why I do it. I'm trying to improve you, cosmopolize you a bit, 
>>> open your horizons ;C)
>>>
 -Original Message-

 From:  Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
 Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:15 pm
 Size:  1K
 To:  ProFox Email List 

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> like I said
> we went in and libereated kuwait
>
> a fact you choose to ignore in order to make your point
 Well, they went in and 'libereated' the towers. And that's also a 
 fact you shouldn't ignore, acts have consequences.

> -Origin

Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server

[Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh]

On Jan 21, 2007, at 6:08 PM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:

> I might be misunderstanding what you're seeing... but I was  
> referring to
> looking at the headers of an email message.
>
> In thunderbird...

OK, Whil, thanks. I'll try to be clearer. Thunderbird is the client.  
Mine is Mac:Mail. Since all of these spambot messages are to an  
invalid user name, they are being bounced by my email server  
software, so they are never making it to any client. I don't know how  
to see anything more about bounced messages than what shows up in the  
eMail log.

I have half-heartedly been looking up how to create a catch-all email  
account on my server software, so I can capture some of these mails  
and look "up the chain." I had one at one point, but since it was  
full o' nothing but spam, I deleted that account.

And, really, these things aren't doing much harm. It's just bloating  
my email logs, and chewing up some server cycles. Nevertheless, I'd  
like to figure out how to stop it.

Ken


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RE: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[Virgil Bierschwale]

It wouldn’t bother me one bit to pull all of our resources out of every
country and build a wall around us,

You're probably right about iraq, BUT they're entitled to their growing
pains, which we went through too as anything is better then what they had.

I'm not much of a historian, so I did find your explanation of israel and
palenstine interesting.

My biggest problem with all this mess is all the accusations and zero
solutions proposed by anyone except bill  


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ricardo Aráoz
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:09 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> guess you haven't heard a thing I said
> 
> one. We should be out of countries that don't want us there

Cool! One caveat Nobody wants you in their country!

> two.iraq appears to want us there. Extremists don't

Nope. The puppet govt. you put into power wants you there. That's not
necessarily Iraq. I don't really know what Iraq does want. I don't even know
if there really IS something called Iraq, seeing how they fight it out
between themselves. But in any case you should be out of the picture and
they should solve their own problems, nobody named you world police, nobody
wants you in that position, so step down.

> three.everything I see about palenstine makes me think that they have 
>thrown the first punch from day one and I believe that if they would 
>quit so
would israell

You should remember that Israel was, at the end of WWII, under British
hands. You should also remember that back then jews (they were not yet
Israelis) would go around bombing places (I think you call it terrorism),
and many of their later politicians started their careers in that manner.
Then you should remember that the brits gave them Israel and the
Palestinians were displaced from their lands.
I will not play it easy. I know there are no innocent parties in this game.
But the Israeli's have particularly bloody hands (maybe some things rubbed
down from the Nazis?).

> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> From:  Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:57 pm
> Size:  2K
> To:  ProFox Email List 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> lack of compassion and understanding is how you are coming acropss
> 
> Well you know. Sometimes looking in a mirror is good for you.
> 
> I've seen the same lack in most posts here.
> 
> Why is it that your dead are more important than palestinian, or iraqi 
> dead? Or the other way round, why would you expect your dead to be 
> important to me when other people's dead are of no concern to you?
> Same thing applied to political issues : why do you think I should 
> respect your politics when you don't respect other nations different 
> ways of conceiving the world, freedom, or power?
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> From:  Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
>> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:54 pm
>> Size:  2K
>> To:  ProFox Email List 
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> big difference
>>> kuwaits government asked for our help
>>>
>> Usama asked for their help. There's always someone who'll ask you to 
>> do whatever you'll do anyway.
>>
>>> how you could even discuss them at the same time is beyond me
>> That's why I do it. I'm trying to improve you, cosmopolize you a bit, 
>> open your horizons ;C)
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>>
>>> From:  Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
>>> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:15 pm
>>> Size:  1K
>>> To:  ProFox Email List 
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 like I said
 we went in and libereated kuwait

 a fact you choose to ignore in order to make your point
>>> Well, they went in and 'libereated' the towers. And that's also a 
>>> fact you shouldn't ignore, acts have consequences.
>>>
 -Original Message-

 From:  Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
 Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:03 am
 Size:  1K
 To:  ProFox Email List 

 On Jan 21, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

> If the US gave the greenlight to invade kuwait, then why did we 
> run them out of there ?
> Seems to me that your theory is a lot different then the history 
> that actually happened.
Oh, geez - everything is a theory with you now, is it? The cables 
 that documented the meeting between April Glaspie and Saddam 
 Hussein are theories, too, as is whether or not it contained 
 English words, or some cleverly-encoded language that was designed 
 to look like perfect English? The communications of our Ambassador 
 are well- documented, had you bothered to look them up before 
 spitting out
> --- message truncated ---
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[Ricardo Aráoz]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> guess you haven't heard a thing I said
> 
> one. We should be out of countries that don't want us there

Cool! One caveat Nobody wants you in their country!

> two.iraq appears to want us there. Extremists don't

Nope. The puppet govt. you put into power wants you there. That's not
necessarily Iraq. I don't really know what Iraq does want. I don't even
know if there really IS something called Iraq, seeing how they fight it
out between themselves. But in any case you should be out of the picture
and they should solve their own problems, nobody named you world police,
nobody wants you in that position, so step down.

> three.everything I see about palenstine makes me think that they have thrown 
>the first punch from day one and I believe that if they would quit so
would israell

You should remember that Israel was, at the end of WWII, under British
hands. You should also remember that back then jews (they were not yet
Israelis) would go around bombing places (I think you call it
terrorism), and many of their later politicians started their careers in
that manner. Then you should remember that the brits gave them Israel
and the Palestinians were displaced from their lands.
I will not play it easy. I know there are no innocent parties in this
game. But the Israeli's have particularly bloody hands (maybe some
things rubbed down from the Nazis?).

> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> From:  Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:57 pm
> Size:  2K
> To:  ProFox Email List 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> lack of compassion and understanding is how you are coming acropss
> 
> Well you know. Sometimes looking in a mirror is good for you.
> 
> I've seen the same lack in most posts here.
> 
> Why is it that your dead are more important than palestinian, or iraqi
> dead? Or the other way round, why would you expect your dead to be
> important to me when other people's dead are of no concern to you?
> Same thing applied to political issues : why do you think I should
> respect your politics when you don't respect other nations different
> ways of conceiving the world, freedom, or power?
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> From:  Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
>> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:54 pm
>> Size:  2K
>> To:  ProFox Email List 
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> big difference
>>> kuwaits government asked for our help
>>>
>> Usama asked for their help. There's always someone who'll ask you to do
>> whatever you'll do anyway.
>>
>>> how you could even discuss them at the same time is beyond me
>> That's why I do it. I'm trying to improve you, cosmopolize you a bit,
>> open your horizons ;C)
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>>
>>> From:  Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
>>> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:15 pm
>>> Size:  1K
>>> To:  ProFox Email List 
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 like I said
 we went in and libereated kuwait

 a fact you choose to ignore in order to make your point
>>> Well, they went in and 'libereated' the towers. And that's also a fact
>>> you shouldn't ignore, acts have consequences.
>>>
 -Original Message-

 From:  Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
 Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:03 am
 Size:  1K
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 On Jan 21, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

> If the US gave the greenlight to invade kuwait, then why did we run  
> them out
> of there ?
> Seems to me that your theory is a lot different then the history that
> actually happened.
Oh, geez - everything is a theory with you now, is it? The cables  
 that documented the meeting between April Glaspie and Saddam Hussein  
 are theories, too, as is whether or not it contained English words,  
 or some cleverly-encoded language that was designed to look like  
 perfect English? The communications of our Ambassador are well- 
 documented, had you bothered to look them up before spitting out  
> --- message truncated ---
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server

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Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
> On Jan 21, 2007, at 1:22 PM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
> 
>> If you look up the 'from' chain, you'll eventually see the starting
>> point of the email (the 'envelope', so to speak.) Are they all the  
>> same
>> (probably likely) or different?
> 
> Al I see on the server is the apparent "from" and IP. The messages  
> are getting bounced, so can one look up the chain? How? (Or does it  
> vary from mail server to mail server?)

I might be misunderstanding what you're seeing... but I was referring to 
looking at the headers of an email message.

In thunderbird, by selecting the "Headers - All' option under View, you 
can see everything in the envelope:

X-Account-Key: account4
X-UIDL: 2048239458739
X-Mozilla-Status: 0011
X-Mozilla-Status2: 000
Received: from [70.86.98.242] by ...
Received: from marge.leafe.com...
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Re: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global WarmingSkeptics

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Michael Madigan wrote:
> He just called you a retard, Retardo.
> 

Now THAT'S your true self! Keep it going Mike!

> 
> --- Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:02 AM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
>>
>>> Hello! Anyone there? Hello!!!
>>> Do you know the difference between a dialog a
>> monologue ? 'cause  
>>> you are
>>> not answering to what I say, you just spurt your
>> slogans and that's  
>>> all.
>>> I don't object to that, but you might do it in a
>> different thread.
>>
>>  ...and you're just noticing that now?
>>
>>  Jeez, you're a slow learner.
>>
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Re: [OT] The Mayonnaise Jar and 2 Cups of Coffee

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Michael Madigan wrote:
> I thought you cherished Toshi's asshole?
> 

Thanks Mike. Now the world is as it should be.

hahaha

> 
> --- Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>>
>> And just when I thought I had you figured out you
>> come up with this!!!
>>
>> Please! Stay in character and keep being the asshole
>> we all cherish.
>>
>>


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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[Michael Madigan]

Hard to believe he would choose to ignore something.  


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> like I said
> we went in and libereated kuwait
> 
> a fact you choose to ignore in order to make your
> point
> -Original Message-
> 
> From:  Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:03 am
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> 
> On Jan 21, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Virgil Bierschwale
> wrote:
> 
> > If the US gave the greenlight to invade kuwait,
> then why did we run  
> > them out
> > of there ?
> > Seems to me that your theory is a lot different
> then the history that
> > actually happened.
> 
>   Oh, geez - everything is a theory with you now, is
> it? The cables  
> that documented the meeting between April Glaspie
> and Saddam Hussein  
> are theories, too, as is whether or not it contained
> English words,  
> or some cleverly-encoded language that was designed
> to look like  
> perfect English? The communications of our
> Ambassador are well- 
> documented, had you bothered to look them up before
> spitting out  
> another "seems to me" baseless opinion.
> 
>   Just because you choose to be ignorant of a fact
> does not weaken the  
> validity of that fact.
> 
> -- Ed Leafe
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

[Michael Madigan]

Add to that to suck money off the public tit.  Grant
money, seminars, books, it's all a way to make money. 
I'm going to start making money off the Flat Earth 
Theory which has as much validity as man-made global
warming.


--- John Baird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> One has nothing to do with the other.  Endangered
> species is a proven fact.
> If you have 10 river dolphins left, that's below the
> breeding threshold ergo
> you can make the argument for endangered species. 
> However, global warming
> is junk science made up to arouse fear and spread
> irrationality.  Global
> warming is based on 30 years of data over 2 billion
> years and they think
> that it indicates a trend... lol.  It is the
> ultimate in arrogance to think
> that we as a species can have that much effect on
> this world.  When nature
> is ready to get rid of us, she'll swat us like a
> bug.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
---
> 
> Maybe. But I figured out Mike believes he can
> predate on everybody. So I
> decided my natural prey is Mike. And I'm feeding off
> him real well, he's
> easy to hunt. Problems with this species is they
> don't imagine some
> other may hunt them. Well, I've helped his
> imagination a bit, at least
> till he becomes an endangered species. But as you
> people don't 'believe'
> in global warming you'll probably won't believe
> 'endangered species' either.
> 
> Your's absolutely truly.
> 
> Ricardo
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global WarmingSkeptics

[Michael Madigan]

He just called you a retard, Retardo.


--- Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:02 AM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
> 
> > Hello! Anyone there? Hello!!!
> > Do you know the difference between a dialog a
> monologue ? 'cause  
> > you are
> > not answering to what I say, you just spurt your
> slogans and that's  
> > all.
> > I don't object to that, but you might do it in a
> different thread.
> 
>   ...and you're just noticing that now?
> 
>   Jeez, you're a slow learner.
> 
> -- Ed Leafe
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> -- http://dabodev.com
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [OT] The Mayonnaise Jar and 2 Cups of Coffee

[Michael Madigan]

I thought you cherished Toshi's asshole?


--- Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Michael Madigan wrote:
> > The Mayonnaise Jar and 2 Cups of Coffee 
> > 
> > When things in your lives seem almost too much to
> > handle, when 24 hours in a day are not enough,
> > remember the mayonnaise jar and the 2 cups of
> coffee. 
> > A professor stood before his philosophy class and
> had
> > some items in front of him. When the class began,
> he
> > wordlessly picked up a very large and empty
> mayonnaise
> > jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He
> then
> > asked the students if the jar was full. They
> agreed
> > that it was. 
> > 
> > The professor then picked up a box of pebbles and
> > poured them into the jar. He shook the ! Jar
> lightly.
> > ! The pebbles rolled into the open areas between
> the
> > golf balls. He then asked the students again if
> the
> > jar was full. They agreed it was. 
> > 
> > The professor next picked up a box of sand and
> poured
> > it into the jar. Of course, the sand filled up
> > everything else. He asked once more if the jar was
> > full. The students responded with an unanimous
> "yes." 
> > 
> > The professor then produced two cups of coffee
> from
> > under the table and poured the entire contents
> into
> > the jar effectively filling the empty space
> between
> > the sand. The students laughed. 
> > 
> > "Now," said the professor as the laughter
> subsided, "I
> > want you to recognize that this jar represents
> your
> > life. The golf balls are the important
> things--your
> > family, your children, your health, your friends
> and
> > your favorite passions---and if everything else
> was
> > lost and only they remained, your life would still
> be
> > full. 
> > The pebbles are the other things that matter like
> your
> > job , your house and your car. 
> > 
> > The sand is everything else---the small stuff. "If
> you
> > put the sand into the jar first," he continued,
> "there
> > is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The
> same
> > goes for life. If you spend all your time and
> energy
> > on the small stuff you will never have room for
> the
> > things that are important to you. 
> > 
> > "Pay attention to the things that are critical to
> your
> > happiness. Play with your children. Take time to
> get
> > medical checkups. Take your spouse out to dinner.
> Play
> > another 18. There will always be time to clean the
> > house and fix the disposal. Take care of the golf
> > balls first---the things that really matter. Set
> your
> > priorities. The rest is just sand." 
> > 
> > One of the students raised her hand and inquired
> what
> > the coffee represented. The professor smiled. "I'm
> > glad you asked. 
> > It just goes to show you that no matter how full
> your
> > life may seem, there's always room for a couple of
> > cups of coffee with a friend." 
> > 
> > Please share this with someone you care about. 
> > 
> > 
> 
> And just when I thought I had you figured out you
> come up with this!!!
> 
> Please! Stay in character and keep being the asshole
> we all cherish.
> 
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Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 21, 2007, at 6:14 PM, Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:

> I wonder when it is going to get bad enough that "the powers" decide
> that it is time to fundamentally redesign how eMail works. All of
> this stuff "inhales vigorously."

About the same time that those same powers decide that it is up to  
the OS to make itself secure, rather than relying on anti-virus, anti- 
spyware programs that are by their very nature reactive.

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Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server

[Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh]

On Jan 21, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:

>   No, it's not for fun. This is serious stuff.

Yeah, I suppose.

I wonder when it is going to get bad enough that "the powers" decide  
that it is time to fundamentally redesign how eMail works. All of  
this stuff "inhales vigorously."

Looking back at my eMail server logs, I see that this particular bug  
has been hard at work since the 17th.



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Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:30 PM, Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:

> It just seems like there are much easier ways to harvest eMail
> addresses... hardly worth the programming time to do it this way. But
> I suppose they are just having "fun."

No, it's not for fun. This is serious stuff. And as long as there is  
a huge supply of easily-compromised machines available, this route is  
much simpler than a centralized harvesting scheme.

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Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server

[Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh]

On Jan 21, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:

>
>   A better question would be: what do they have to lose? Most likely
> this is coming from a zombie that has been infected, so it doesn't
> even cost them any CPU cycles or bandwidth.

It just seems like there are much easier ways to harvest eMail  
addresses... hardly worth the programming time to do it this way. But  
I suppose they are just having "fun."

Ken


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Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server

[Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh]

On Jan 21, 2007, at 1:22 PM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:

> If you look up the 'from' chain, you'll eventually see the starting
> point of the email (the 'envelope', so to speak.) Are they all the  
> same
> (probably likely) or different?

Al I see on the server is the apparent "from" and IP. The messages  
are getting bounced, so can one look up the chain? How? (Or does it  
vary from mail server to mail server?)

Ken


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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[Michael Madigan]

Wait, you tell me that FDR allied with Joseph Stalin
who killed 20,000,000 people?

I guess that the Democrats haven't completely
re-written history to remove these troublesome facts.

--- Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Jan 21, 2007, at 3:00 AM, Helio W. wrote:
> 
> > Bing Crosby anyone?*
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/2r9bo7
> 
>   Wait - you mean that Saddam wasn't an insane tyrant
> who hated  
> America all along? That he was a puppet who was
> supported by the US  
> for 40 years? That the US gave Saddam the green
> light to invade Kuwait?
> 
>   I guess that the neocons haven't completely
> re-written history to  
> remove these troublesome facts. Give them a little
> more time, and the  
> fairy tale that we have nothing but Iraq's best
> interests at heart  
> will become a little more believable.
> 
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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[vbiersch]

guess you haven't heard a thing I said

one. We should be out of countries that don't want us there
two.iraq appears to want us there. Extremists don't
three.everything I see about palenstine makes me think that they have thrown 
the first punch from day one and I believe that if they would quit so would 
israell

-Original Message-

From:  Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:57 pm
Size:  2K
To:  ProFox Email List 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> lack of compassion and understanding is how you are coming acropss

Well you know. Sometimes looking in a mirror is good for you.

I've seen the same lack in most posts here.

Why is it that your dead are more important than palestinian, or iraqi
dead? Or the other way round, why would you expect your dead to be
important to me when other people's dead are of no concern to you?
Same thing applied to political issues : why do you think I should
respect your politics when you don't respect other nations different
ways of conceiving the world, freedom, or power?


> -Original Message-
> 
> From:  Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:54 pm
> Size:  2K
> To:  ProFox Email List 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> big difference
>> kuwaits government asked for our help
>>
> 
> Usama asked for their help. There's always someone who'll ask you to do
> whatever you'll do anyway.
> 
>> how you could even discuss them at the same time is beyond me
> 
> That's why I do it. I'm trying to improve you, cosmopolize you a bit,
> open your horizons ;C)
> 
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> From:  Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
>> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:15 pm
>> Size:  1K
>> To:  ProFox Email List 
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> like I said
>>> we went in and libereated kuwait
>>>
>>> a fact you choose to ignore in order to make your point
>> Well, they went in and 'libereated' the towers. And that's also a fact
>> you shouldn't ignore, acts have consequences.
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>>
>>> From:  Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
>>> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:03 am
>>> Size:  1K
>>> To:  ProFox Email List 
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>>>
 If the US gave the greenlight to invade kuwait, then why did we run  
 them out
 of there ?
 Seems to me that your theory is a lot different then the history that
 actually happened.
>>> Oh, geez - everything is a theory with you now, is it? The cables  
>>> that documented the meeting between April Glaspie and Saddam Hussein  
>>> are theories, too, as is whether or not it contained English words,  
>>> or some cleverly-encoded language that was designed to look like  
>>> perfect English? The communications of our Ambassador are well- 
>>> documented, had you bothered to look them up before spitting out  
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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[Ricardo Aráoz]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> lack of compassion and understanding is how you are coming acropss

Well you know. Sometimes looking in a mirror is good for you.

I've seen the same lack in most posts here.

Why is it that your dead are more important than palestinian, or iraqi
dead? Or the other way round, why would you expect your dead to be
important to me when other people's dead are of no concern to you?
Same thing applied to political issues : why do you think I should
respect your politics when you don't respect other nations different
ways of conceiving the world, freedom, or power?


> -Original Message-
> 
> From:  Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:54 pm
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> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> big difference
>> kuwaits government asked for our help
>>
> 
> Usama asked for their help. There's always someone who'll ask you to do
> whatever you'll do anyway.
> 
>> how you could even discuss them at the same time is beyond me
> 
> That's why I do it. I'm trying to improve you, cosmopolize you a bit,
> open your horizons ;C)
> 
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> From:  Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
>> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:15 pm
>> Size:  1K
>> To:  ProFox Email List 
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> like I said
>>> we went in and libereated kuwait
>>>
>>> a fact you choose to ignore in order to make your point
>> Well, they went in and 'libereated' the towers. And that's also a fact
>> you shouldn't ignore, acts have consequences.
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>>
>>> From:  Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
>>> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:03 am
>>> Size:  1K
>>> To:  ProFox Email List 
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>>>
 If the US gave the greenlight to invade kuwait, then why did we run  
 them out
 of there ?
 Seems to me that your theory is a lot different then the history that
 actually happened.
>>> Oh, geez - everything is a theory with you now, is it? The cables  
>>> that documented the meeting between April Glaspie and Saddam Hussein  
>>> are theories, too, as is whether or not it contained English words,  
>>> or some cleverly-encoded language that was designed to look like  
>>> perfect English? The communications of our Ambassador are well- 
>>> documented, had you bothered to look them up before spitting out  
>>> another "seems to me" baseless opinion.
>>>
>>> Just because you choose to be ignorant of a fact does not weaken the  
>>> validity of that fact.
>>>
>>> -- Ed Leafe
>>> -- http://leafe.com
>>> -- http://dabodev.com
>>>


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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Helio W. wrote:
> What's your point, Ricardo?

Force can be used by both sides (just different tactics).
So harsh talk like 'we went in there and that's that' is plain
stopid, if that's how you feel then what's the use of talking, just
let blood do it's own talk.

> 
> On 1/21/07, Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Well, they went in and 'libereated' the towers. And that's also a fact
>> you shouldn't ignore, acts have consequences.
> 
> 
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Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server

[Whil Hentzen (Pro*)]

Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
> Hey -= == ==
> 
> I'm just curious what's going on
> 
> I flipped my KVM switch over to my server (for no particular reason),  
> and noticed my eMail server going wild. Somebody is sending mail  
> after mail to my server, to made-up users in my domain. the user  
> names aren't random, they all start with "shethang," for example:  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and on and on.  All of the "from" IP's and domains  
> are being spoofed, so I can't blacklist any of it.

If you look up the 'from' chain, you'll eventually see the starting 
point of the email (the 'envelope', so to speak.) Are they all the same 
(probably likely) or different?

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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[vbiersch]

lack of compassion and understanding is how you are coming acropss
-Original Message-

From:  Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:54 pm
Size:  2K
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> big difference
> kuwaits government asked for our help
> 

Usama asked for their help. There's always someone who'll ask you to do
whatever you'll do anyway.

> how you could even discuss them at the same time is beyond me

That's why I do it. I'm trying to improve you, cosmopolize you a bit,
open your horizons ;C)

> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> From:  Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:15 pm
> Size:  1K
> To:  ProFox Email List 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> like I said
>> we went in and libereated kuwait
>>
>> a fact you choose to ignore in order to make your point
> 
> Well, they went in and 'libereated' the towers. And that's also a fact
> you shouldn't ignore, acts have consequences.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> From:  Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
>> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:03 am
>> Size:  1K
>> To:  ProFox Email List 
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>>
>>> If the US gave the greenlight to invade kuwait, then why did we run  
>>> them out
>>> of there ?
>>> Seems to me that your theory is a lot different then the history that
>>> actually happened.
>>  Oh, geez - everything is a theory with you now, is it? The cables  
>> that documented the meeting between April Glaspie and Saddam Hussein  
>> are theories, too, as is whether or not it contained English words,  
>> or some cleverly-encoded language that was designed to look like  
>> perfect English? The communications of our Ambassador are well- 
>> documented, had you bothered to look them up before spitting out  
>> another "seems to me" baseless opinion.
>>
>>  Just because you choose to be ignorant of a fact does not weaken the  
>> validity of that fact.
>>
>> -- Ed Leafe
>> -- http://leafe.com
>> -- http://dabodev.com
>>
>>


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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[Helio W.]

What's your point, Ricardo?

On 1/21/07, Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Well, they went in and 'libereated' the towers. And that's also a fact
> you shouldn't ignore, acts have consequences.


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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[Ricardo Aráoz]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> big difference
> kuwaits government asked for our help
> 

Usama asked for their help. There's always someone who'll ask you to do
whatever you'll do anyway.

> how you could even discuss them at the same time is beyond me

That's why I do it. I'm trying to improve you, cosmopolize you a bit,
open your horizons ;C)

> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> From:  Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:15 pm
> Size:  1K
> To:  ProFox Email List 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> like I said
>> we went in and libereated kuwait
>>
>> a fact you choose to ignore in order to make your point
> 
> Well, they went in and 'libereated' the towers. And that's also a fact
> you shouldn't ignore, acts have consequences.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> From:  Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
>> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:03 am
>> Size:  1K
>> To:  ProFox Email List 
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>>
>>> If the US gave the greenlight to invade kuwait, then why did we run  
>>> them out
>>> of there ?
>>> Seems to me that your theory is a lot different then the history that
>>> actually happened.
>>  Oh, geez - everything is a theory with you now, is it? The cables  
>> that documented the meeting between April Glaspie and Saddam Hussein  
>> are theories, too, as is whether or not it contained English words,  
>> or some cleverly-encoded language that was designed to look like  
>> perfect English? The communications of our Ambassador are well- 
>> documented, had you bothered to look them up before spitting out  
>> another "seems to me" baseless opinion.
>>
>>  Just because you choose to be ignorant of a fact does not weaken the  
>> validity of that fact.
>>
>> -- Ed Leafe
>> -- http://leafe.com
>> -- http://dabodev.com
>>
>>


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Re: [NF] eMail flood on my server

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 21, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:

> I just don't understand what somebody has to gain by flooding my  
> server?

It's a spam bot. They keep generating all sorts of combinations,  
hoping that one or two will be legitimate.

A better question would be: what do they have to lose? Most likely  
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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[vbiersch]

big difference
kuwaits government asked for our help

how you could even discuss them at the same time is beyond me

-Original Message-

From:  Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:15 pm
Size:  1K
To:  ProFox Email List 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> like I said
> we went in and libereated kuwait
> 
> a fact you choose to ignore in order to make your point

Well, they went in and 'libereated' the towers. And that's also a fact
you shouldn't ignore, acts have consequences.

> -Original Message-
> 
> From:  Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:03 am
> Size:  1K
> To:  ProFox Email List 
> 
> On Jan 21, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> 
>> If the US gave the greenlight to invade kuwait, then why did we run  
>> them out
>> of there ?
>> Seems to me that your theory is a lot different then the history that
>> actually happened.
> 
>   Oh, geez - everything is a theory with you now, is it? The cables  
> that documented the meeting between April Glaspie and Saddam Hussein  
> are theories, too, as is whether or not it contained English words,  
> or some cleverly-encoded language that was designed to look like  
> perfect English? The communications of our Ambassador are well- 
> documented, had you bothered to look them up before spitting out  
> another "seems to me" baseless opinion.
> 
>   Just because you choose to be ignorant of a fact does not weaken the  
> validity of that fact.
> 
> -- Ed Leafe
> -- http://leafe.com
> -- http://dabodev.com
> 
> 


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Re: Vfp 10

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On 1/21/07, Rick Schummer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>Rick, can the Sedna Upsizing Wizard target other servers, like Oracle or 
> >>PostgreSQL?<<
>
> No it can't Ted.
>
> I am sure it could work for other servers if you made it that way.

Not a bad idea. I've hacked around on a couple of the wizards, like
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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[Ricardo Aráoz]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> like I said
> we went in and libereated kuwait
> 
> a fact you choose to ignore in order to make your point

Well, they went in and 'libereated' the towers. And that's also a fact
you shouldn't ignore, acts have consequences.

> -Original Message-
> 
> From:  Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
> Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:03 am
> Size:  1K
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> 
> On Jan 21, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> 
>> If the US gave the greenlight to invade kuwait, then why did we run  
>> them out
>> of there ?
>> Seems to me that your theory is a lot different then the history that
>> actually happened.
> 
>   Oh, geez - everything is a theory with you now, is it? The cables  
> that documented the meeting between April Glaspie and Saddam Hussein  
> are theories, too, as is whether or not it contained English words,  
> or some cleverly-encoded language that was designed to look like  
> perfect English? The communications of our Ambassador are well- 
> documented, had you bothered to look them up before spitting out  
> another "seems to me" baseless opinion.
> 
>   Just because you choose to be ignorant of a fact does not weaken the  
> validity of that fact.
> 
> -- Ed Leafe
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> 
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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

[Ricardo Aráoz]

John Baird wrote:
> One has nothing to do with the other.  Endangered species is a proven fact.
> If you have 10 river dolphins left, that's below the breeding threshold ergo
> you can make the argument for endangered species.  However, global warming
> is junk science made up to arouse fear and spread irrationality.

Dearest dear John,
Quoting a list member, I have never seen a species, let alone an
endangered one. Have you ever seen a duck with a sign reading 'I'm
endangerd'? So I believe that is also 'junk science'.


>  Global
> warming is based on 30 years of data over 2 billion years and they think
> that it indicates a trend... lol.

Should we wait till we have... say 1 million years worth of data?
Wouldn't it be a bit late?
BTW don't you know they study ice in the poles, and fossils in order to
determine climate of other eras?

>  It is the ultimate in arrogance to think
> that we as a species can have that much effect on this world.

That's exactly what I mean. It is arrogance to think that we can
endanger a species. Nature will swat us first.
So till you proove me Mike is endangered, I'll keep hunting him. Or
if it's ok with you, I'll hunt him for scientific purposes. Kind of what
the Japs do with whales.

>  When nature
> is ready to get rid of us, she'll swat us like a bug.
> 
> 


> 
> 
> ---
> 
> Maybe. But I figured out Mike believes he can predate on everybody. So I
> decided my natural prey is Mike. And I'm feeding off him real well, he's
> easy to hunt. Problems with this species is they don't imagine some
> other may hunt them. Well, I've helped his imagination a bit, at least
> till he becomes an endangered species. But as you people don't 'believe'
> in global warming you'll probably won't believe 'endangered species' either.
> 
> Your's absolutely truly.
> 
> Ricardo
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[vbiersch]

like I said
we went in and libereated kuwait

a fact you choose to ignore in order to make your point
-Original Message-

From:  Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subj:  Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles
Date:  Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:03 am
Size:  1K
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On Jan 21, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

> If the US gave the greenlight to invade kuwait, then why did we run  
> them out
> of there ?
> Seems to me that your theory is a lot different then the history that
> actually happened.

Oh, geez - everything is a theory with you now, is it? The cables  
that documented the meeting between April Glaspie and Saddam Hussein  
are theories, too, as is whether or not it contained English words,  
or some cleverly-encoded language that was designed to look like  
perfect English? The communications of our Ambassador are well- 
documented, had you bothered to look them up before spitting out  
another "seems to me" baseless opinion.

Just because you choose to be ignorant of a fact does not weaken the  
validity of that fact.

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[NF] eMail flood on my server

[Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh]

Hey -= == ==

I'm just curious what's going on

I flipped my KVM switch over to my server (for no particular reason),  
and noticed my eMail server going wild. Somebody is sending mail  
after mail to my server, to made-up users in my domain. the user  
names aren't random, they all start with "shethang," for example:  
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and on and on.  All of the "from" IP's and domains  
are being spoofed, so I can't blacklist any of it.

My server doesn't have a "catchall" email account, so all of these  
are being bounced. I could understand it if the user names were more  
random, that they may be trying to figure out 'real" ones (that don't  
bounce), but this seems to be a very inefficient way to harvest user  
names.

The volume doesn't seem high enough to bring down my server. I don't  
have an open relay, so I am not being used as a surrogate.

I just don't understand what somebody has to gain by flooding my server?

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RE: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

[John Baird]

One has nothing to do with the other.  Endangered species is a proven fact.
If you have 10 river dolphins left, that's below the breeding threshold ergo
you can make the argument for endangered species.  However, global warming
is junk science made up to arouse fear and spread irrationality.  Global
warming is based on 30 years of data over 2 billion years and they think
that it indicates a trend... lol.  It is the ultimate in arrogance to think
that we as a species can have that much effect on this world.  When nature
is ready to get rid of us, she'll swat us like a bug.




---

Maybe. But I figured out Mike believes he can predate on everybody. So I
decided my natural prey is Mike. And I'm feeding off him real well, he's
easy to hunt. Problems with this species is they don't imagine some
other may hunt them. Well, I've helped his imagination a bit, at least
till he becomes an endangered species. But as you people don't 'believe'
in global warming you'll probably won't believe 'endangered species' either.

Your's absolutely truly.

Ricardo




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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
> Ed Leafe wrote:
>> On Jan 21, 2007, at 3:00 AM, Helio W. wrote:
>>
>>> Bing Crosby anyone?*
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2r9bo7
>>  Wait - you mean that Saddam wasn't an insane tyrant who hated  
>> America all along? That he was a puppet who was supported by the US  
>> for 40 years? That the US gave Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait?
>>
> 
> C'mon, that would be like saying that Fidel didn't try to get friendly
> with the USA and was rejected, and only then did he go to USSR
> (JFK-repub then)

Sorry should've said 'democrat'. Lapsus Linguae



> N! That's complete bullshit. Made up by those
> who hate USA.
> 
> 
>>  I guess that the neocons haven't completely re-written history to  
>> remove these troublesome facts. Give them a little more time, and the  
>> fairy tale that we have nothing but Iraq's best interests at heart  
>> will become a little more believable.
>>
>> -- Ed Leafe
>> -- http://leafe.com
>> -- http://dabodev.com
>>
>>
>>
> 



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RE: Vfp 10

[Rick Schummer]

>>Rick, can the Sedna Upsizing Wizard target other servers, like Oracle or 
>>PostgreSQL?<<

No it can't Ted.

I am sure it could work for other servers if you made it that way. The code is 
released with the APP
so you can modify it. I am not familiar with the exact architecture because I 
have not reviewed the
code, but the UI was separated from the engine. I suspect you could replace the 
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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Ed Leafe wrote:
> On Jan 21, 2007, at 3:00 AM, Helio W. wrote:
> 
>> Bing Crosby anyone?*
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2r9bo7
> 
>   Wait - you mean that Saddam wasn't an insane tyrant who hated  
> America all along? That he was a puppet who was supported by the US  
> for 40 years? That the US gave Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait?
> 

C'mon, that would be like saying that Fidel didn't try to get friendly
with the USA and was rejected, and only then did he go to USSR
(JFK-repub then). N! That's complete bullshit. Made up by those
who hate USA.


>   I guess that the neocons haven't completely re-written history to  
> remove these troublesome facts. Give them a little more time, and the  
> fairy tale that we have nothing but Iraq's best interests at heart  
> will become a little more believable.
> 
> -- Ed Leafe
> -- http://leafe.com
> -- http://dabodev.com
> 
> 
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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 21, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

> If the US gave the greenlight to invade kuwait, then why did we run  
> them out
> of there ?
> Seems to me that your theory is a lot different then the history that
> actually happened.

Oh, geez - everything is a theory with you now, is it? The cables  
that documented the meeting between April Glaspie and Saddam Hussein  
are theories, too, as is whether or not it contained English words,  
or some cleverly-encoded language that was designed to look like  
perfect English? The communications of our Ambassador are well- 
documented, had you bothered to look them up before spitting out  
another "seems to me" baseless opinion.

Just because you choose to be ignorant of a fact does not weaken the  
validity of that fact.

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Re: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global WarmingSkeptics

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Ed Leafe wrote:
> On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:02 AM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
> 
>> Hello! Anyone there? Hello!!!
>> Do you know the difference between a dialog a monologue ? 'cause  
>> you are
>> not answering to what I say, you just spurt your slogans and that's  
>> all.
>> I don't object to that, but you might do it in a different thread.
> 
>   ...and you're just noticing that now?
> 
>   Jeez, you're a slow learner.
> 

Spurt cough cough, hahaha. I laughed my coffee to the floor. Yeah,
sometimes I'm slow. I keep forgetting we're in the planet of the apes
and keep treating apes like human beings. hahaha


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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Friday 19 January 2007 5:56 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
>> Jean Laeremans wrote:
>>> On 1/19/07, Michael Madigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Do you sympathize with his anti-semitism too?
>>> Pearls before swine, i know, but there's a huge difference between not
>>> agreeing with Israeli policy and anti-semitism...
>> Pearls go before swine and swine go before Mike. That's the natural order.
> 
> Hi  Ricardo!
> 
> The list was better when it was sheep.

Hi Peter, how are you. The family?

Maybe. But I figured out Mike believes he can predate on everybody. So I
decided my natural prey is Mike. And I'm feeding off him real well, he's
easy to hunt. Problems with this species is they don't imagine some
other may hunt them. Well, I've helped his imagination a bit, at least
till he becomes an endangered species. But as you people don't 'believe'
in global warming you'll probably won't believe 'endangered species' either.

Your's absolutely truly.

Ricardo




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RE: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[Virgil Bierschwale]

If the US gave the greenlight to invade kuwait, then why did we run them out
of there ?
Seems to me that your theory is a lot different then the history that
actually happened.

Now if you mean, we need to stop our cia, etc. from minipulating other
countries, then I'm all for firing the whole bunch of them and putting a
stop to this nonsense. 


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ed Leafe
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

On Jan 21, 2007, at 3:00 AM, Helio W. wrote:

> Bing Crosby anyone?*
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2r9bo7

Wait - you mean that Saddam wasn't an insane tyrant who hated
America all along? That he was a puppet who was supported by the US for 40
years? That the US gave Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait?

I guess that the neocons haven't completely re-written history to
remove these troublesome facts. Give them a little more time, and the fairy
tale that we have nothing but Iraq's best interests at heart will become a
little more believable.

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Re: Vfp 10

[Ted Roche]

On 1/21/07, Rick Schummer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Heck, Sedna components are already making me money. I have used the Upsizing 
> Wizard to show clients how fast I can take their VFP data to SQL Server.

Excellent! Rick, can the Sedna Upsizing Wizard target other servers,
like Oracle or PostgreSQL? I have clients who need to upsize, but want
to move to their Oracle corporate standard or use the Postgres
geographic extensions...

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RE: Vfp 10

[john harvey]

That's funny. I got a call the other day about upgrading a program I wrote
in 1996. It has been running for the past 11 years on windows 95 without
problem. Now they are going to xp and want an upgrade. Haha

John

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Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:59 AM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Vfp 10

It all depends on your perspective Kristyne. I would have been happy with
just the Vista
compatibility. The rest to me is frosting on the cake. I know my customers
will eventually move to
Vista. Knowing my applications will run on this operating system pleases me,
and more importantly
allows me to recommend building applications with tools and operating
systems supported well into
the next decade. Heck, I still support some DOS applications abandoned by
developers a long time ago
for one of my clients. Based on this model, I will be working with Fox (and
other technologies) for
a very long time.

Heck, Sedna components are already making me money. I have used the Upsizing
Wizard to show clients
how fast I can take their VFP data to SQL Server. I have watched Craig Boyd
use VFP to write,
compile and execute .NET assemblies on-the-fly to leverage this huge
framework. I am sure .NET
interoperability will be important to me down the road even though today I
have no use for it. 

Then there is VFPX (and other open source initiatives) outside of the
roadmap. Seeing what other
developers are doing in the community with respect to extending VFP is also
helping me bring
solutions to my clients. 

So to me the glass is full and the future quite bright.


Rick
White Light Computing, Inc.

www.whitelightcomputing.com
www.rickschummer.com
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586.254.2539 - fax
  


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kristyne
McDaniel
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 01:00 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Vfp 10

Rick,

> If you want the current future of VFP as Microsoft declares it, go 
> directly to the VFP Roadmap for their disclosure:
> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/vfoxpro/roadmap/

Not much, is it?

Kristyne McDaniel
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RE: Vfp 10

[Rick Schummer]

It all depends on your perspective Kristyne. I would have been happy with just 
the Vista
compatibility. The rest to me is frosting on the cake. I know my customers will 
eventually move to
Vista. Knowing my applications will run on this operating system pleases me, 
and more importantly
allows me to recommend building applications with tools and operating systems 
supported well into
the next decade. Heck, I still support some DOS applications abandoned by 
developers a long time ago
for one of my clients. Based on this model, I will be working with Fox (and 
other technologies) for
a very long time.

Heck, Sedna components are already making me money. I have used the Upsizing 
Wizard to show clients
how fast I can take their VFP data to SQL Server. I have watched Craig Boyd use 
VFP to write,
compile and execute .NET assemblies on-the-fly to leverage this huge framework. 
I am sure .NET
interoperability will be important to me down the road even though today I have 
no use for it. 

Then there is VFPX (and other open source initiatives) outside of the roadmap. 
Seeing what other
developers are doing in the community with respect to extending VFP is also 
helping me bring
solutions to my clients. 

So to me the glass is full and the future quite bright.


Rick
White Light Computing, Inc.

www.whitelightcomputing.com
www.rickschummer.com
586.254.2530 - office
586.254.2539 - fax
  


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristyne
McDaniel
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 01:00 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Vfp 10

Rick,

> If you want the current future of VFP as Microsoft declares it, go 
> directly to the VFP Roadmap for their disclosure:
> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/vfoxpro/roadmap/

Not much, is it?

Kristyne McDaniel
http://www.mcstyles.com
http://www.emryldlife.com



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Re: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global WarmingSkeptics

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:02 AM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:

> Hello! Anyone there? Hello!!!
> Do you know the difference between a dialog a monologue ? 'cause  
> you are
> not answering to what I say, you just spurt your slogans and that's  
> all.
> I don't object to that, but you might do it in a different thread.

...and you're just noticing that now?

Jeez, you're a slow learner.

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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 21, 2007, at 3:00 AM, Helio W. wrote:

> Bing Crosby anyone?*
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2r9bo7

Wait - you mean that Saddam wasn't an insane tyrant who hated  
America all along? That he was a puppet who was supported by the US  
for 40 years? That the US gave Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait?

I guess that the neocons haven't completely re-written history to  
remove these troublesome facts. Give them a little more time, and the  
fairy tale that we have nothing but Iraq's best interests at heart  
will become a little more believable.

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RE: Design question -- APP vs EXE for better memory management

[Virgil Bierschwale]

I've always done application support and very little development, although I
can do it.
Find the problem, fix the problem (whether it be people, hardware or
software) and repeat the process.

Only reason I chimed in on this one is that I agree with you 100 %.
There was a time when I didn’t see nothing wrong with all the .prg, frx, etc
being in the folder on the server.
But that’s when I was doing smaller then 5 people shops..

When you get into the 2,000 and above user shops, that just don't cut it. 


Virgil Bierschwale
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Sounds like your standard job security is job one application. Been there,
done that, got the bruises to prove it. 


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Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 09:22 PM
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This was the scenario I found in vegas.
No project
No APP
No source code system
A disaster waiting to happen.

And worse..
Different versions of the same named PRG in various folders...
No idea which one was the right one..
 



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Re: [OT] The Mayonnaise Jar and 2 Cups of Coffee

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Michael Madigan wrote:
> The Mayonnaise Jar and 2 Cups of Coffee 
> 
> When things in your lives seem almost too much to
> handle, when 24 hours in a day are not enough,
> remember the mayonnaise jar and the 2 cups of coffee. 
> A professor stood before his philosophy class and had
> some items in front of him. When the class began, he
> wordlessly picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise
> jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then
> asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed
> that it was. 
> 
> The professor then picked up a box of pebbles and
> poured them into the jar. He shook the ! Jar lightly.
> ! The pebbles rolled into the open areas between the
> golf balls. He then asked the students again if the
> jar was full. They agreed it was. 
> 
> The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured
> it into the jar. Of course, the sand filled up
> everything else. He asked once more if the jar was
> full. The students responded with an unanimous "yes." 
> 
> The professor then produced two cups of coffee from
> under the table and poured the entire contents into
> the jar effectively filling the empty space between
> the sand. The students laughed. 
> 
> "Now," said the professor as the laughter subsided, "I
> want you to recognize that this jar represents your
> life. The golf balls are the important things--your
> family, your children, your health, your friends and
> your favorite passions---and if everything else was
> lost and only they remained, your life would still be
> full. 
> The pebbles are the other things that matter like your
> job , your house and your car. 
> 
> The sand is everything else---the small stuff. "If you
> put the sand into the jar first," he continued, "there
> is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same
> goes for life. If you spend all your time and energy
> on the small stuff you will never have room for the
> things that are important to you. 
> 
> "Pay attention to the things that are critical to your
> happiness. Play with your children. Take time to get
> medical checkups. Take your spouse out to dinner. Play
> another 18. There will always be time to clean the
> house and fix the disposal. Take care of the golf
> balls first---the things that really matter. Set your
> priorities. The rest is just sand." 
> 
> One of the students raised her hand and inquired what
> the coffee represented. The professor smiled. "I'm
> glad you asked. 
> It just goes to show you that no matter how full your
> life may seem, there's always room for a couple of
> cups of coffee with a friend." 
> 
> Please share this with someone you care about. 
> 
> 

And just when I thought I had you figured out you come up with this!!!

Please! Stay in character and keep being the asshole we all cherish.


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Re: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global WarmingSkeptics

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Saturday 20 January 2007 6:24 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
> 
 Yeah! Scientists! The only true science is the science of Chi and its
 paths, and the multiversal radiations from the planets that configure
 our astrological destiny.
> 
>>> Here I thought you only hated Jews and Israel.
>> Nope, I don't even 'hate' Israel. I deeply disagree with their
>> government and the ways it relates with the world. I think it's a
>> fascist government full of thieves and murderers, who only understand
>> the kind of reasons thieves and murderers would understand. That's why
>> I'd oppose that government in whatever way I see fit.
>> Jews? I don't know them all, I've known a couple whom I despise and
>> dislike, and I know some others whom I like and enjoy spending time with.
>>
>> Clear enough? Or should I keep explaining till it finally gets through
>> your skull?
> 
> Hi Ricardo!  
> 
> My skull? *You* missed the joke entirely. Oh, never mind.

Well you see, we are talking through mail, and that's some kind of a
barrier. Besides it is not my language (yes, I naturally speak spanish,
however weird that may sound), and we come from completely different
cultures. So why are you so surprised that I did'nt understand your
obscure joke?



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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

[Pete Theisen]

On Friday 19 January 2007 5:56 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
> Jean Laeremans wrote:
> > On 1/19/07, Michael Madigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Do you sympathize with his anti-semitism too?
> >
> > Pearls before swine, i know, but there's a huge difference between not
> > agreeing with Israeli policy and anti-semitism...
>
> Pearls go before swine and swine go before Mike. That's the natural order.

Hi  Ricardo!

The list was better when it was sheep.
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Re: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global WarmingSkeptics

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Michael Madigan wrote:
> It all points to Israel.  A tiny country surrounded by
> Islamic savages, and Israel is the problem.  A country
> the size of NJ being dwarfed by the countries around
> it, and Israel is the root of all problems.
> 
> Israel is the scapegoat for the uneducated savages
> whose lives suck because they live in an Islamic
> country.
> 

Hello! Anyone there? Hello!!!
Do you know the difference between a dialog a monologue ? 'cause you are
not answering to what I say, you just spurt your slogans and that's all.
I don't object to that, but you might do it in a different thread.

> 
> --- Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Michael Madigan wrote:
>>> What bullshit.  I don't see you saying terrible
>> things
>>> about Cuba, Syria, Iran, North Korea.  
>>>
>>> Why?  Because they're not Jews.
>>>
>> But you don't see me saying terrible things about
>> Gengis Khan either.
>> That's just because the subject (understand
>> subject?) the conversation
>> came to (actually, the subject Pete took the
>> conversation to) were Jews
>> and Israel.
>> About those other countries we can talk any time you
>> want, and I'll give
>> you my opinion. Ask and thou shalt be answered.
>> Though I can't guarantee you'll like what the
>> answers may be.
>>
>>
>>> --- Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Friday 19 January 2007 5:43 pm, Ricardo Aráoz
 wrote:
>> Pete Theisen wrote:
>>> On Thursday 18 January 2007 7:54 pm, Michael
 Madigan wrote:
>>> 
>>>
 I believe they had snow in Malibu today. 
>> Blame
 that
 on global warming.
>>> Hi Michael!
>>>
>>> Every winter they come up with this utter
 nonsense. I know, it is too
>>> cold for them to play outside.
>> Yeah! Scientists! The only true science is the
 science of Chi and its
>> paths, and the multiversal radiations from the
 planets that configure
>> our astrological destiny.
> Hi Ricardo!
>
> Here I thought you only hated Jews and Israel.
 Nope, I don't even 'hate' Israel. I deeply
>> disagree
 with their
 government and the ways it relates with the
>> world. I
 think it's a
 fascist government full of thieves and murderers,
 who only understand
 the kind of reasons thieves and murderers would
 understand. That's why
 I'd oppose that government in whatever way I see
 fit.
 Jews? I don't know them all, I've known a couple
 whom I despise and
 dislike, and I know some others whom I like and
 enjoy spending time with.

 Clear enough? Or should I keep explaining till it
 finally gets through
 your skull?





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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

[Pete Theisen]

On Friday 19 January 2007 9:53 am, Hal Kaplan wrote:

> So every once in a while I take my soapbox out for a spin.  And it tends to
> happen when our present administration does something really, really,
> really dumb, as is the case with the AG's ovine defecation.
>
> Sorry if I startled you, Pete.

Hi Hal!

More bemused than startled. I never suffered at the hands of the VCs, in fact 
I breezed through the service. I got my terror lessons as a social worker in 
the Detroit public housing projects to say nothing of the homos in grade 
school.

I wonder if you may have seen War and Peace, the Audrey Hepburn version? The 
Henry Fonda character has a line, something about career soldiers being the 
right guys for a fight but impossible in peacetime. We always have soldier 
types on both sides. To accommodate them we have to have wars. Human nature.

Sucks when some fragile spirits are sucked up into it, but life is not heaven 
and then we die.
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Re: [OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global WarmingSkeptics

[Pete Theisen]

On Saturday 20 January 2007 6:24 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:

> >> Yeah! Scientists! The only true science is the science of Chi and its
> >> paths, and the multiversal radiations from the planets that configure
> >> our astrological destiny.

> > Here I thought you only hated Jews and Israel.
>
> Nope, I don't even 'hate' Israel. I deeply disagree with their
> government and the ways it relates with the world. I think it's a
> fascist government full of thieves and murderers, who only understand
> the kind of reasons thieves and murderers would understand. That's why
> I'd oppose that government in whatever way I see fit.
> Jews? I don't know them all, I've known a couple whom I despise and
> dislike, and I know some others whom I like and enjoy spending time with.
>
> Clear enough? Or should I keep explaining till it finally gets through
> your skull?

Hi Ricardo!  

My skull? *You* missed the joke entirely. Oh, never mind.
-- 
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Pete
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Re: Vfp 10

[Chet Gardiner]

Sedna -- absorption into the Borg Host...



Kristyne McDaniel wrote:

>Rick,
>
>  
>
>>If you want the current future of VFP as Microsoft declares 
>>it, go directly to the VFP Roadmap for
>>their disclosure:
>>
>>http://msdn.microsoft.com/vfoxpro/roadmap/
>>
>>
>
>Not much, is it?
>
>Kristyne McDaniel
>http://www.mcstyles.com
>http://www.emryldlife.com
>
>
>
>
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Re: [OT] Drew Speedie Death Investigation

[Michael Madigan]

I find it dificult to believe that they would go to
Yellowstone and take pictures, then he would shove his
kid over.

When we first heard this story, I wondered how two
people could fall like that.

I think a more likely scenario was that they were both
pushed.  Why would a man take his kid's life like
that?  Why would he bother going to Yellowstone?  Why
would he leave his wife without a son or husband?  I'm
not buying it.

There have been some crazy murders in National Parks
over the years, I would lean towards that theory.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=murders+national+park


--- Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This popped up on the UT about the Drew Speedie
> inquest. I only knew him
> from his work and from the various DevCon and user
> group gatherings, but I
> don't want to believe it for a second.
> 
>
http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2007/01/15/bnews/br83.txt
> 
> I hope the ruling does not mean his widow and family
> will be short-changed
> on his death benefits.
> 
> Kristyne McDaniel
> http://www.mcstyles.com
> http://www.emryldlife.com
> 
> 
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Re: [OT] -- Iraq articles

[Helio W.]

Bing Crosby anyone?*

http://tinyurl.com/2r9bo7

*
On 1/16/07, Stephen the Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Michael Madigan <> wrote:
> > Yes we are, or more specificly, the world oil supply is.  That keeps
> > oil prices lower than it would otherwise be.
>
> Your kidding right?
>
> 
> April last year but the plight is still present.
>
>
> Stephen Russell
> DBA / .Net Developer
>
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> 901.246-0159
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> missiles and misguided men." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
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