Re: [NF] SATA Drive a Dead PC...
Beware of moisture that starts to build up when you took the drive out of the freezer... :) On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX v...@optonline.net wrote: HEy Mike - thanks for all this advice. I figured if I DID put it in the freezer - I would 1st put it in a Zip Lock baggie. Agreed about last resorts - and I think that I may just go ahead and bring it to the psuedo techies @ Best Buy - as there is one right near me! -- .~. Might, Courage, Vision. SINCERITY! / v \ 64-bit Ubuntu 9.10 (Linux kernel 2.6.39.3) /( _ )\ http://sites.google.com/site/changmw ^ ^ May the Force and farces be with you! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAGv=MJAxbWj8EA1ew2=bukqmhgs4fh661f6newrosk6arvb...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] go after me . . . Indeed
Hi Everybody, http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/16/petraeus-to-testify-knew-libya-was-terrorism-from-start-source-says/ Time for a special prosecutor. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a78dfe.2030...@verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
At 05:59 AM 11/15/2012 -0600, lelandj wrote: On 11/15/2012 03:12 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: She was set up by the White House. I don't think so. It was the CIA that feed Susan Rice the faulty information, if it was in fact faulty. I'm not sure who arranged to have her appear on Meet the Press shortly thereafter. The investigation of the Benghazi attack continues, ... Anyway, It also seems to me that David Petraeus was setup by the intelligence community. After the FBI found evidence of an extra Martial affair, and confirmed it by confronting both CIA Director David Petraeus and Paula Broadwell , ... ...If the CIA really wanted to protect Petraeus, his affair could have remained under wraps... No, no a thousand times no. Absolutely every citizen of the United States needs to demand truth from its leaders. I don't care if it's a local County official, the head of the FBI, a popular Republican Senator, or the President. Every single governmental official is living off the blood and sweat of others. They should have no rights above ours, and in fact should be held to a much higher standard of conduct. The mistakes they make can have far-reaching impacts to the whole nation. So, no, politicians, political appointees, judges, all of them need to be held to the highest standards. We've stopped doing that and we're in a decline because of it. Petraeus may have done a lot of good things but his resignation is appropriate. And the revealing of it by the Intelligence Community is absolutely right and just. Let's hope that the thousands of other politicians take note and try to clean up their act. At least while they're in office. And let's hope the Intelligence Community continues to monitor all officials' correspondence and brings the truth to light. But Leland's thoughts reflect the general sentiment of the country. Since Clinton got away with lying about his affair the nation has dropped it's expectations of elected officials dramatically (no it wasn't all Clinton's fault, we have been declining for probably 40 years - but the Clinton debacle was a leap downwards). People in the US need to wake up. But I'm sure they won't. We've been dumbed down to blindly accept what the boob-tube spouts out in 15-second sound-bites. We don't want to question and think - we want to be entertained. We want promises that we'll get something for nothing. We certainly don't want to hear about working hard and moral issues. And for some reason we believe the wealthy has cheated the rest of us and that they should be forced to give up their money/property to be fair. Adversaries of the US and democracy in general can rejoice. The Great Experiment is winding down, proving out once again that man's greed and jealousy outweigh his intelligence. -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5.2.0.9.2.20121116062505.05a6d...@incoming.verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
On 11/16/2012 06:07 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: At 05:59 AM 11/15/2012 -0600, lelandj wrote: On 11/15/2012 03:12 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: She was set up by the White House. I don't think so. It was the CIA that feed Susan Rice the faulty information, if it was in fact faulty. I'm not sure who arranged to have her appear on Meet the Press shortly thereafter. The investigation of the Benghazi attack continues, ... Anyway, It also seems to me that David Petraeus was setup by the intelligence community. After the FBI found evidence of an extra Martial affair, and confirmed it by confronting both CIA Director David Petraeus and Paula Broadwell , ... ...If the CIA really wanted to protect Petraeus, his affair could have remained under wraps... No, no a thousand times no. Absolutely every citizen of the United States needs to demand truth from its leaders. I don't care if it's a local County official, the head of the FBI, a popular Republican Senator, or the President. Every single governmental official is living off the blood and sweat of others. They should have no rights above ours, and in fact should be held to a much higher standard of conduct. The mistakes they make can have far-reaching impacts to the whole nation. Charlie, this the USA; not Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan. You need to be able to distinguish between moral issue and legal issues. In some countries these two separate things become entangled. You should also recognize the difference between civil law and criminal law. You should also recognize that a person's personal life is separate from their life on the job, and each of us has the a right, under the USA Constitution, to keep our personal life private. Rights of every American should fall under the same standard. Nobody should be afforded special right and privileges, nor should anyone be subject to a higher standard that normal. This requires equal treatment. The scale of justice should be both blind and balanced. Leland Jackson So, no, politicians, political appointees, judges, all of them need to be held to the highest standards. We've stopped doing that and we're in a decline because of it. I'm not seeing it. Could you give me some verifiable examples. Petraeus may have done a lot of good things but his resignation is appropriate. And the revealing of it by the Intelligence Community is absolutely right and just. Let's hope that the thousands of other politicians take note and try to clean up their act. At least while they're in office. And let's hope the Intelligence Community continues to monitor all officials' correspondence and brings the truth to light. Why should one group of Americans be held to a higher standard than the whole. Why should the government, including the intelligence community, be allow to meddle into the personal affairs of Americans? LOL - pun intended. The founding fathers of the USA, having experienced first hand persecution, torture, alienation, and other injustice from their governments, put strong privacy protections into the USA Constitution to protect Americans against an overreaching government. But Leland's thoughts reflect the general sentiment of the country. Since Clinton got away with lying about his affair the nation has dropped it's expectations of elected officials dramatically (no it wasn't all Clinton's fault, we have been declining for probably 40 years - but the Clinton debacle was a leap downwards). People in the US need to wake up. But I'm sure they won't. We've been dumbed down to blindly accept what the boob-tube spouts out in 15-second sound-bites. We don't want to question and think - we want to be entertained. We want promises that we'll get something for nothing. We certainly don't want to hear about working hard and moral issues. And for some reason we believe the wealthy has cheated the rest of us and that they should be forced to give up their money/property to be fair. Adversaries of the US and democracy in general can rejoice. The Great Experiment is winding down, proving out once again that man's greed and jealousy outweigh his intelligence. Get a life, Charlie. It really is OK. We're not the Taliban here in the good old USA. LOL Regards, LelandJ -Charlie [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a7a843.5010...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] go after me . . . Indeed
On 11/17/2012 07:15 AM, Pete Theisen wrote: Hi Everybody, http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/16/petraeus-to-testify-knew-libya-was-terrorism-from-start-source-says/ Time for a special prosecutor. Why not just capture one of the perpetrators of the attack on Benghazi and ask if the attack was spontaneous or planned? I think the Republicans need to get over politicizing this issue, so congress can move on to more pressing matters, like resolving the fiscal cliff. Regards, LelandJ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a7ab5b.9070...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
Leland, You really don't understand why the highest spook in the USA cannot have an affair? Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 17, 2012, at 7:07 AM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 11/16/2012 06:07 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: At 05:59 AM 11/15/2012 -0600, lelandj wrote: On 11/15/2012 03:12 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: She was set up by the White House. I don't think so. It was the CIA that feed Susan Rice the faulty information, if it was in fact faulty. I'm not sure who arranged to have her appear on Meet the Press shortly thereafter. The investigation of the Benghazi attack continues, ... Anyway, It also seems to me that David Petraeus was setup by the intelligence community. After the FBI found evidence of an extra Martial affair, and confirmed it by confronting both CIA Director David Petraeus and Paula Broadwell , ... ...If the CIA really wanted to protect Petraeus, his affair could have remained under wraps... No, no a thousand times no. Absolutely every citizen of the United States needs to demand truth from its leaders. I don't care if it's a local County official, the head of the FBI, a popular Republican Senator, or the President. Every single governmental official is living off the blood and sweat of others. They should have no rights above ours, and in fact should be held to a much higher standard of conduct. The mistakes they make can have far-reaching impacts to the whole nation. Charlie, this the USA; not Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan. You need to be able to distinguish between moral issue and legal issues. In some countries these two separate things become entangled. You should also recognize the difference between civil law and criminal law. You should also recognize that a person's personal life is separate from their life on the job, and each of us has the a right, under the USA Constitution, to keep our personal life private. Rights of every American should fall under the same standard. Nobody should be afforded special right and privileges, nor should anyone be subject to a higher standard that normal. This requires equal treatment. The scale of justice should be both blind and balanced. Leland Jackson So, no, politicians, political appointees, judges, all of them need to be held to the highest standards. We've stopped doing that and we're in a decline because of it. I'm not seeing it. Could you give me some verifiable examples. Petraeus may have done a lot of good things but his resignation is appropriate. And the revealing of it by the Intelligence Community is absolutely right and just. Let's hope that the thousands of other politicians take note and try to clean up their act. At least while they're in office. And let's hope the Intelligence Community continues to monitor all officials' correspondence and brings the truth to light. Why should one group of Americans be held to a higher standard than the whole. Why should the government, including the intelligence community, be allow to meddle into the personal affairs of Americans? LOL - pun intended. The founding fathers of the USA, having experienced first hand persecution, torture, alienation, and other injustice from their governments, put strong privacy protections into the USA Constitution to protect Americans against an overreaching government. But Leland's thoughts reflect the general sentiment of the country. Since Clinton got away with lying about his affair the nation has dropped it's expectations of elected officials dramatically (no it wasn't all Clinton's fault, we have been declining for probably 40 years - but the Clinton debacle was a leap downwards). People in the US need to wake up. But I'm sure they won't. We've been dumbed down to blindly accept what the boob-tube spouts out in 15-second sound-bites. We don't want to question and think - we want to be entertained. We want promises that we'll get something for nothing. We certainly don't want to hear about working hard and moral issues. And for some reason we believe the wealthy has cheated the rest of us and that they should be forced to give up their money/property to be fair. Adversaries of the US and democracy in general can rejoice. The Great Experiment is winding down, proving out once again that man's greed and jealousy outweigh his intelligence . Get a life, Charlie. It really is OK. We're not the Taliban here in the good old USA. LOL Regards, LelandJ -Charlie [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
On 11/17/2012 09:55 AM, Michael Oke wrote: Leland, You really don't understand why the highest spook in the USA cannot have an affair? Why would having an affair be more of a threat to a possible security leek, than having a friendly relationship with anyone else who shares your same interests? Sex happens, and preferences can vary widely, LOL, so standardizing sex won't work. Sex is just part of human nature, and people can be so easily temped when there's a strong attraction. There are probably countless affairs going on right now between people involved in every imaginable circumstance without regards to race, religion, sexual preference, political affiliation, gender or high positions in which the individual has access to sensitive intelligence. Former CIA directory, David Petraeus, resigned; because, he was outed by the FBI/CIA. As far as I know, he didn't leek any classified information to anyone unauthorized to receive it. The standard for anyone with classified information should be they cannot disclose it to anyone not have the proper security clearance. Regards, LelandJ Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 17, 2012, at 7:07 AM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 11/16/2012 06:07 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: At 05:59 AM 11/15/2012 -0600, lelandj wrote: On 11/15/2012 03:12 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: She was set up by the White House. I don't think so. It was the CIA that feed Susan Rice the faulty information, if it was in fact faulty. I'm not sure who arranged to have her appear on Meet the Press shortly thereafter. The investigation of the Benghazi attack continues, ... Anyway, It also seems to me that David Petraeus was setup by the intelligence community. After the FBI found evidence of an extra Martial affair, and confirmed it by confronting both CIA Director David Petraeus and Paula Broadwell , ... ...If the CIA really wanted to protect Petraeus, his affair could have remained under wraps... No, no a thousand times no. Absolutely every citizen of the United States needs to demand truth from its leaders. I don't care if it's a local County official, the head of the FBI, a popular Republican Senator, or the President. Every single governmental official is living off the blood and sweat of others. They should have no rights above ours, and in fact should be held to a much higher standard of conduct. The mistakes they make can have far-reaching impacts to the whole nation. Charlie, this the USA; not Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan. You need to be able to distinguish between moral issue and legal issues. In some countries these two separate things become entangled. You should also recognize the difference between civil law and criminal law. You should also recognize that a person's personal life is separate from their life on the job, and each of us has the a right, under the USA Constitution, to keep our personal life private. Rights of every American should fall under the same standard. Nobody should be afforded special right and privileges, nor should anyone be subject to a higher standard that normal. This requires equal treatment. The scale of justice should be both blind and balanced. Leland Jackson So, no, politicians, political appointees, judges, all of them need to be held to the highest standards. We've stopped doing that and we're in a decline because of it. I'm not seeing it. Could you give me some verifiable examples. Petraeus may have done a lot of good things but his resignation is appropriate. And the revealing of it by the Intelligence Community is absolutely right and just. Let's hope that the thousands of other politicians take note and try to clean up their act. At least while they're in office. And let's hope the Intelligence Community continues to monitor all officials' correspondence and brings the truth to light. Why should one group of Americans be held to a higher standard than the whole. Why should the government, including the intelligence community, be allow to meddle into the personal affairs of Americans? LOL - pun intended. The founding fathers of the USA, having experienced first hand persecution, torture, alienation, and other injustice from their governments, put strong privacy protections into the USA Constitution to protect Americans against an overreaching government. But Leland's thoughts reflect the general sentiment of the country. Since Clinton got away with lying about his affair the nation has dropped it's expectations of elected officials dramatically (no it wasn't all Clinton's fault, we have been declining for probably 40 years - but the Clinton debacle was a leap downwards). People in the US need to wake up. But I'm sure they won't. We've been dumbed down to blindly accept what the boob-tube spouts out in 15-second sound-bites. We don't want to question and think
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
Whoops, I should have said _leak_ rather than leek. Regards, LelandJ On 11/17/2012 11:00 AM, lelandj wrote: On 11/17/2012 09:55 AM, Michael Oke wrote: Leland, You really don't understand why the highest spook in the USA cannot have an affair? Why would having an affair be more of a threat to a possible security leek, than having a friendly relationship with anyone else who shares your same interests? Sex happens, and preferences can vary widely, LOL, so standardizing sex won't work. Sex is just part of human nature, and people can be so easily temped when there's a strong attraction. There are probably countless affairs going on right now between people involved in every imaginable circumstance without regards to race, religion, sexual preference, political affiliation, gender or high positions in which the individual has access to sensitive intelligence. Former CIA directory, David Petraeus, resigned; because, he was outed by the FBI/CIA. As far as I know, he didn't leek any classified information to anyone unauthorized to receive it. The standard for anyone with classified information should be they cannot disclose it to anyone not have the proper security clearance. Regards, LelandJ Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 17, 2012, at 7:07 AM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 11/16/2012 06:07 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: At 05:59 AM 11/15/2012 -0600, lelandj wrote: On 11/15/2012 03:12 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: She was set up by the White House. I don't think so. It was the CIA that feed Susan Rice the faulty information, if it was in fact faulty. I'm not sure who arranged to have her appear on Meet the Press shortly thereafter. The investigation of the Benghazi attack continues, ... Anyway, It also seems to me that David Petraeus was setup by the intelligence community. After the FBI found evidence of an extra Martial affair, and confirmed it by confronting both CIA Director David Petraeus and Paula Broadwell , ... ...If the CIA really wanted to protect Petraeus, his affair could have remained under wraps... No, no a thousand times no. Absolutely every citizen of the United States needs to demand truth from its leaders. I don't care if it's a local County official, the head of the FBI, a popular Republican Senator, or the President. Every single governmental official is living off the blood and sweat of others. They should have no rights above ours, and in fact should be held to a much higher standard of conduct. The mistakes they make can have far-reaching impacts to the whole nation. Charlie, this the USA; not Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan. You need to be able to distinguish between moral issue and legal issues. In some countries these two separate things become entangled. You should also recognize the difference between civil law and criminal law. You should also recognize that a person's personal life is separate from their life on the job, and each of us has the a right, under the USA Constitution, to keep our personal life private. Rights of every American should fall under the same standard. Nobody should be afforded special right and privileges, nor should anyone be subject to a higher standard that normal. This requires equal treatment. The scale of justice should be both blind and balanced. Leland Jackson So, no, politicians, political appointees, judges, all of them need to be held to the highest standards. We've stopped doing that and we're in a decline because of it. I'm not seeing it. Could you give me some verifiable examples. Petraeus may have done a lot of good things but his resignation is appropriate. And the revealing of it by the Intelligence Community is absolutely right and just. Let's hope that the thousands of other politicians take note and try to clean up their act. At least while they're in office. And let's hope the Intelligence Community continues to monitor all officials' correspondence and brings the truth to light. Why should one group of Americans be held to a higher standard than the whole. Why should the government, including the intelligence community, be allow to meddle into the personal affairs of Americans? LOL - pun intended. The founding fathers of the USA, having experienced first hand persecution, torture, alienation, and other injustice from their governments, put strong privacy protections into the USA Constitution to protect Americans against an overreaching government. But Leland's thoughts reflect the general sentiment of the country. Since Clinton got away with lying about his affair the nation has dropped it's expectations of elected officials dramatically (no it wasn't all Clinton's fault, we have been declining for probably 40 years - but the Clinton debacle was a leap downwards). People in the US need to wake up. But I'm sure they won't. We've been dumbed
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
Whoops, I should have said _tempted_, rather than temped. LOL Regards, LelandJ On 11/17/2012 11:00 AM, lelandj wrote: On 11/17/2012 09:55 AM, Michael Oke wrote: Leland, You really don't understand why the highest spook in the USA cannot have an affair? Why would having an affair be more of a threat to a possible security leek, than having a friendly relationship with anyone else who shares your same interests? Sex happens, and preferences can vary widely, LOL, so standardizing sex won't work. Sex is just part of human nature, and people can be so easily temped when there's a strong attraction. There are probably countless affairs going on right now between people involved in every imaginable circumstance without regards to race, religion, sexual preference, political affiliation, gender or high positions in which the individual has access to sensitive intelligence. Former CIA directory, David Petraeus, resigned; because, he was outed by the FBI/CIA. As far as I know, he didn't leek any classified information to anyone unauthorized to receive it. The standard for anyone with classified information should be they cannot disclose it to anyone not have the proper security clearance. Regards, LelandJ Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Nov 17, 2012, at 7:07 AM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: On 11/16/2012 06:07 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote: At 05:59 AM 11/15/2012 -0600, lelandj wrote: On 11/15/2012 03:12 AM, Michael Madigan wrote: She was set up by the White House. I don't think so. It was the CIA that feed Susan Rice the faulty information, if it was in fact faulty. I'm not sure who arranged to have her appear on Meet the Press shortly thereafter. The investigation of the Benghazi attack continues, ... Anyway, It also seems to me that David Petraeus was setup by the intelligence community. After the FBI found evidence of an extra Martial affair, and confirmed it by confronting both CIA Director David Petraeus and Paula Broadwell , ... ...If the CIA really wanted to protect Petraeus, his affair could have remained under wraps... No, no a thousand times no. Absolutely every citizen of the United States needs to demand truth from its leaders. I don't care if it's a local County official, the head of the FBI, a popular Republican Senator, or the President. Every single governmental official is living off the blood and sweat of others. They should have no rights above ours, and in fact should be held to a much higher standard of conduct. The mistakes they make can have far-reaching impacts to the whole nation. Charlie, this the USA; not Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan. You need to be able to distinguish between moral issue and legal issues. In some countries these two separate things become entangled. You should also recognize the difference between civil law and criminal law. You should also recognize that a person's personal life is separate from their life on the job, and each of us has the a right, under the USA Constitution, to keep our personal life private. Rights of every American should fall under the same standard. Nobody should be afforded special right and privileges, nor should anyone be subject to a higher standard that normal. This requires equal treatment. The scale of justice should be both blind and balanced. Leland Jackson So, no, politicians, political appointees, judges, all of them need to be held to the highest standards. We've stopped doing that and we're in a decline because of it. I'm not seeing it. Could you give me some verifiable examples. Petraeus may have done a lot of good things but his resignation is appropriate. And the revealing of it by the Intelligence Community is absolutely right and just. Let's hope that the thousands of other politicians take note and try to clean up their act. At least while they're in office. And let's hope the Intelligence Community continues to monitor all officials' correspondence and brings the truth to light. Why should one group of Americans be held to a higher standard than the whole. Why should the government, including the intelligence community, be allow to meddle into the personal affairs of Americans? LOL - pun intended. The founding fathers of the USA, having experienced first hand persecution, torture, alienation, and other injustice from their governments, put strong privacy protections into the USA Constitution to protect Americans against an overreaching government. But Leland's thoughts reflect the general sentiment of the country. Since Clinton got away with lying about his affair the nation has dropped it's expectations of elected officials dramatically (no it wasn't all Clinton's fault, we have been declining for probably 40 years - but the Clinton debacle was a leap downwards). People in the US need to wake up. But I'm sure they won't. We've
Re: [ADMIN] Want to help?
On Nov 15, 2012, at 6:05 PM, M Jarvis brewda...@gmail.com wrote: C'mon folks - let's see if we can push this up over $1000 !! The final total was $900. I can't thank all of you enough for your generosity. I just got back from the ride. It was a little shorter than originally planned; the route they set up was only 64.3 miles (heh- only!). It was pretty cool when we started (especially for San Antonio), but the sun warmed things up pretty quickly. And just in case there are any doubters... http://runkeeper.com/user/edleafe/activity/131746072 -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/3360da15-6a5b-4c81-b08e-92b001412...@rackspace.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [ADMIN] Want to help?
G'donya Ed. Makes one realise just how much some of us are probably NOT doing. Apart from the fund raising you have set a perfect example for those of us who get most daily exercise through the fingertips. Wonderful stuff! GaryT On 18/11/12 08:47, Ed Leafe wrote: [SNIP[ The final total was $900. I can't thank all of you enough for your generosity. I just got back from the ride. It was a little shorter than originally planned; the route they set up was only 64.3 miles (heh- only!). It was pretty cool when we started (especially for San Antonio), but the sun warmed things up pretty quickly. And just in case there are any doubters... http://runkeeper.com/user/edleafe/activity/131746072 -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a82504.3020...@taig.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] A blast from the past
Walt Kennamer was COO, Executive VP at Fox Software and moved to Microsoft when it bought Fox. George Goley was President of Micro Endeavours, one of the first FoxBase, FoxPro consulting companies. George would literally juggle his way through presentations. Walter Kennamer, Accountant and Software Developer retired from Microsoft in July 2009. More can be found at http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=18983842authType=nameauthToken=J_J Cref=NUSgoback=.nmp_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1trk=NUS_CONN-connte George Goley, CIO - Online at Sears Holdings Corporation since Sep 2012. More can be found http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=1256077authType=nameauthToken=3_kZ goback=.nmp_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1trk=mp_view_prf_t Alan Lukachko a...@software-strategies-na.com Software Strategies PO Box 265 Rockwood, ON N0B 2K0 Canada (519) 856-0700 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/062c01cdc527$83e3e740$8babb5c0$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination
At 09:07 AM 11/17/2012 -0600, lelandj wrote: Leland, try to take off your liberal-at-any-cost hat for a moment and think sincerely about the following: Petraeus may have done a lot of good things but his resignation is appropriate. And the revealing of it by the Intelligence Community is absolutely right and just. ... Why should one group of Americans be held to a higher standard than the whole. Why should the government, including the intelligence community, be allow to meddle into the personal affairs of Americans? LOL - pun intended. The founding fathers of the USA, having experienced first hand persecution, torture, alienation, and other injustice from their governments, put strong privacy protections into the USA Constitution to protect Americans against an overreaching government. ... First, the why. Why should government officials be held to a higher standard? Because their office reflects a trust of the citizens. I hold my trusted friends to a higher standard of conduct with me than, say, I expect out of total strangers. So to me, if I give you my trust you should expect that I expect more out of you. I believe our Founding Fathers saw it this way as well: their correspondence intoned a public office in our union engendered the utmost responsibility to those governed. Next, governmental positions have power over others. So any given action they take has a far greater potential to affect people than just an average citizen. The above is the general ethical/moral view. But lets talk about common sense for a moment. Any official that commits illegal, unethical, or even anything that may be personally embarrassing becomes a risk to their office. They become a target for blackmail or bribery. For example, a city councilman has an affair with an underage girl. A certain shady set of folks get photos and threaten to go public if the councilman doesn't change his vote on a zoning issue. The same scenario holds for those with access to classified information. This is the common sense reason why they must be held to higher codes of conduct. If you don't want to live by that code, don't try to get a job with the government. But Leland's thoughts reflect the general sentiment of the country. Since Clinton got away with lying about his affair the nation has dropped it's expectations of elected officials dramatically (no it wasn't all Clinton's fault, we have been ... believe the wealthy has cheated the rest of us and that they should be forced to give up their money/property to be fair. Adversaries of the US and democracy in general can rejoice. The Great Experiment is winding down, proving out once again that man's greed and jealousy outweigh his intelligence. Get a life, Charlie. It really is OK. We're not the Taliban here in the good old USA. LOL How about you get a brain Leland? The fact that we're NOT the Taliban means our government officials MUST answer to us. If we were a dictatorship or socialistic government then sure, the folks in charge could do whatever they want to whomever they want whenever they want. Think about that for at least a couple minutes. But I imagine you would be the first in line to string up an official that didn't share your liberal bias. You're a walking contradiction to rational thinking. And like I said, you're not alone. There's a bunch of other people out there that's let their mind deteriorate to the point of just repeating the brief snippets they get from their favorite liberal news outlet or web site. And for me personally I'm totally at peace that things will be OK. A thousand years from now this situation will be meaningless to me. But I do want to provide a good legacy to my kids, grandkids, etc. That's the main reason I try to get people to think about this stuff. I realize that may not be understood by those that want everything for themselves right now. But maybe some aren't too far gone to get the brain working again. -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5.2.0.9.2.20121117125938.05a6d...@incoming.verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
