Re: [NF] Stand-up Desk

[Pete Theisen]

On 05/07/2015 07:48 PM, Richard Quilhot wrote:

I've seen these at my last position, very nice.

Rick Q
quilh...@gmail.com


On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Dan Covill  wrote:


Old topic, but I found this link in today's MacWorld Daily:
http://iskelter.com/liftpro-electric-desk/

At first glance, it looks nearly ideal.  Make sure you're sitting down
when you look at the price, though.


You probably could have a local craftsperson make it locally for 
somewhat less . . .

--
Regards,

Pete
https://www.facebook.com/pete.theisen.5

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Re: [NF] Stand-up Desk

[Richard Quilhot]

I've seen these at my last position, very nice.

Rick Q
quilh...@gmail.com


On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Dan Covill  wrote:

> Old topic, but I found this link in today's MacWorld Daily:
>http://iskelter.com/liftpro-electric-desk/
>
> At first glance, it looks nearly ideal.  Make sure you're sitting down
> when you look at the price, though.
>
> Dan Covill
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[NF] Stand-up Desk

[Dan Covill]

Old topic, but I found this link in today's MacWorld Daily:
   http://iskelter.com/liftpro-electric-desk/

At first glance, it looks nearly ideal.  Make sure you're sitting down when you 
look at the price, though.

Dan Covill

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RE: STRANGE Shifting of Form Label

[Kurt Wendt]

Ted - I completely agree with you. 

However, that being said...

Since I am consultant here - and still relatively "green" - I want to be 
careful how I spend my time and make sure its productive. That particular 
screen - it was one created by one of my co-workers on our team. I simply made 
a bunch of changes to the screen design - but, it was not really my project to 
work on. So - if he decides to use my updates - that's up to him. And, the 
reason I updated that screen - is he showed that screen in this Doc he created 
- which he asked me & my teammates to review the Doc for him. Seems I am the 
only one doing a careful review of that Doc. And, when I saw that screen in his 
Doc - that's when I decided to make some updates (to an Alternate copy of the 
Form) - because, of course, for me - and my 3D graphics background - doing 
screen designs is truly my favorite part of working in VFP. Sadly - in the 
little over a month I have worked here - I haven't had ANY Projects where I get 
to modify or create a screen yet!

As for Source-control, that opens a Big Can of Worms here. My manager even 
discussed that with me - that they do NOT have source-control. And she believes 
that they Should do it. But, its not been implemented yet. 

Lastly - since this problem was so small - I felt best to just fix it and move 
along. Especially since my updated version of the Form may NOT actually get 
used...

-K-

-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 3:40 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: STRANGE Shifting of Form Label

Well, what I solved was WHAT the problem was, not WHY the problem occurred. And 
it could even come back, and we'd be no wiser.

As I said in the longer answer, make backups, get your software into source 
code control, and then when things change, you'll know WHAT changed, and be on 
the way to figuring out WHY.


On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Kurt Wendt  wrote:
> Thanks so much for your input Fernando. Turns out - I followed Ted's 1st 
> suggestion - and that fixed it.
>
> So - all is good now.
>
> But - it proves again - the ProFox list ROCKS - for Fast answers to Tricky 
> questions and problems!
>
> -K-
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of 
> Fernando D. Bozzo
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 3:21 PM
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: STRANGE Shifting of Form Label
>
> Ok, I tell you what I have in mind (something of the like Ted said :)
>
> 1) Convert your form to text with FoxBin2Prg v1.19.43 Preview-4 
> 
>
> 2) Open the generated text with Fox with MODIFY COMMAND 
>  to get syntax colouring like any PRG (but this code is 
> not compilable)
>
> 3) Look for the ADD OBJECT of this labels by their name (could you 
> copy/paste only those ADD OBJECTS?)
>
> 4) Look at their visible properties (visible, enabled, top, left, alignment, 
> anchor, autosize) and the invisible ones (zorderset) [Note:
> ZOrderSet is not visible on the Properties windows when editing the 
> form]
>
> 5) Look if there are more controls with the same ZOrderSet. If there 
> are, then this is a VFP ZOrder bug 
>  %20Configuration> I've documented on VFPx that can be corrected with 
> FoxBin2Prg using the new setting "RemoveZOrderSetFromProps", regenerating the 
> binary from the sc2 text.
>
>
> Let me know if this is the case,
>
> Regards.-
>
>
>
> 2015-05-07 20:53 GMT+02:00 Kurt Wendt :
>
>> Well - there are 2 problems with doing that.
>> 1 - not sure where I would upload it to, but - more so...
>> 2 - I don't think I can honestly upload a file - since its created 
>> here and there are documents I sign about not disclosing the work I 
>> do here - like details about it. And, this screen layout might be disclosing 
>> Too much.
>>
>> What I may do - is tweak the screen - make it almost generic - then, 
>> maybe just send the file Directly to you if you want to take a peek at it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -K-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Fernando D. Bozzo
>> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 2:35 PM
>> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
>> Subject: Re: STRANGE Shifting of Form Label
>>
>> Hi Kurt:
>>
>> Could you upload the form to any free drive so can be analyzed?
>>
>>
>> Fernando.-
>>
>>
>>
>> 2015-05-07 19:31 GMT+02:00 Kurt Wendt :
>>
>> > OK - this is rather strange. I am Editing a form that a co-worker
>> created.
>> > I was just doing some cleanup of the layout. Well - 2 of these 
>> > Label type objects on the form - it looks OK when I save it. But, 
>> > upon re-opening the Form - Both Labels have shifted over to the 
>> > right - and then either appearing partially On top or Under the 
>> > next object to the right. Its really weird. I reset them - save the 
>> > form - 

Re: STRANGE Shifting of Form Label

[Ted Roche]

Well, what I solved was WHAT the problem was, not WHY the problem
occurred. And it could even come back, and we'd be no wiser.

As I said in the longer answer, make backups, get your software into
source code control, and then when things change, you'll know WHAT
changed, and be on the way to figuring out WHY.


On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Kurt Wendt  wrote:
> Thanks so much for your input Fernando. Turns out - I followed Ted's 1st 
> suggestion - and that fixed it.
>
> So - all is good now.
>
> But - it proves again - the ProFox list ROCKS - for Fast answers to Tricky 
> questions and problems!
>
> -K-
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Fernando 
> D. Bozzo
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 3:21 PM
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: STRANGE Shifting of Form Label
>
> Ok, I tell you what I have in mind (something of the like Ted said :)
>
> 1) Convert your form to text with FoxBin2Prg v1.19.43 Preview-4 
> 
>
> 2) Open the generated text with Fox with MODIFY COMMAND  to 
> get syntax colouring like any PRG (but this code is not compilable)
>
> 3) Look for the ADD OBJECT of this labels by their name (could you copy/paste 
> only those ADD OBJECTS?)
>
> 4) Look at their visible properties (visible, enabled, top, left, alignment, 
> anchor, autosize) and the invisible ones (zorderset) [Note:
> ZOrderSet is not visible on the Properties windows when editing the form]
>
> 5) Look if there are more controls with the same ZOrderSet. If there are, 
> then this is a VFP ZOrder bug 
> 
> I've documented on VFPx that can be corrected with FoxBin2Prg using the new 
> setting "RemoveZOrderSetFromProps", regenerating the binary from the sc2 text.
>
>
> Let me know if this is the case,
>
> Regards.-
>
>
>
> 2015-05-07 20:53 GMT+02:00 Kurt Wendt :
>
>> Well - there are 2 problems with doing that.
>> 1 - not sure where I would upload it to, but - more so...
>> 2 - I don't think I can honestly upload a file - since its created
>> here and there are documents I sign about not disclosing the work I do
>> here - like details about it. And, this screen layout might be disclosing 
>> Too much.
>>
>> What I may do - is tweak the screen - make it almost generic - then,
>> maybe just send the file Directly to you if you want to take a peek at it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -K-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of
>> Fernando D. Bozzo
>> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 2:35 PM
>> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
>> Subject: Re: STRANGE Shifting of Form Label
>>
>> Hi Kurt:
>>
>> Could you upload the form to any free drive so can be analyzed?
>>
>>
>> Fernando.-
>>
>>
>>
>> 2015-05-07 19:31 GMT+02:00 Kurt Wendt :
>>
>> > OK - this is rather strange. I am Editing a form that a co-worker
>> created.
>> > I was just doing some cleanup of the layout. Well - 2 of these Label
>> > type objects on the form - it looks OK when I save it. But, upon
>> > re-opening the Form - Both Labels have shifted over to the right -
>> > and then either appearing partially On top or Under the next object
>> > to the right. Its really weird. I reset them - save the form - close
>> > it - reopen it - and they are shifted Again!
>> >
>> > Its only happening for like 2 of the 9 labels on the form. It does
>> > NOT happen to Any of the other 7 labels. I even looked at the
>> > Layout, Other and Favorites properties of the Labels with the
>> > problem - comparing against labels that do NOT have the problem -
>> > and the really only differences is the obvious stuff like the
>> > Caption and the various positional qty's. So - I'm really kind of 
>> > surprised this is happening.
>> >
>> > Thanks in Advance!
>> > -K-
>> >
>> >
>> > Kurt Wendt
>> > Consultant
>> >
>> > GLOBETAX
>> > 90 Broad Street
>> > New York, NY 10004-2205, U.S.A.
>> > Tel. +1-212-747-9100
>> > Fax. +1-212-747-0029
>> > Email:  kurt_we...@globetax.com
>> > Web: www.GlobeTax.com
>> >
>> > GlobeTax does not provide or offer, and this is not, tax, investment
>> > or legal advice. This email and any attachments hereto is intended
>> > only for use by the addressee(s) and may contain confidential
>> > information. If you are not the intended recipient  of this  e-mail,
>> > please immediately notify the sender at +1-212-747-9100 and
>> > permanently delete the original and any copies of this e-mail.
>> >
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RE: STRANGE Shifting of Form Label

[Kurt Wendt]

Thanks so much for your input Fernando. Turns out - I followed Ted's 1st 
suggestion - and that fixed it. 

So - all is good now.

But - it proves again - the ProFox list ROCKS - for Fast answers to Tricky 
questions and problems!

-K-

-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Fernando D. 
Bozzo
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 3:21 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: STRANGE Shifting of Form Label

Ok, I tell you what I have in mind (something of the like Ted said :)

1) Convert your form to text with FoxBin2Prg v1.19.43 Preview-4 


2) Open the generated text with Fox with MODIFY COMMAND  to get 
syntax colouring like any PRG (but this code is not compilable)

3) Look for the ADD OBJECT of this labels by their name (could you copy/paste 
only those ADD OBJECTS?)

4) Look at their visible properties (visible, enabled, top, left, alignment, 
anchor, autosize) and the invisible ones (zorderset) [Note:
ZOrderSet is not visible on the Properties windows when editing the form]

5) Look if there are more controls with the same ZOrderSet. If there are, then 
this is a VFP ZOrder bug 

I've documented on VFPx that can be corrected with FoxBin2Prg using the new 
setting "RemoveZOrderSetFromProps", regenerating the binary from the sc2 text.


Let me know if this is the case,

Regards.-



2015-05-07 20:53 GMT+02:00 Kurt Wendt :

> Well - there are 2 problems with doing that.
> 1 - not sure where I would upload it to, but - more so...
> 2 - I don't think I can honestly upload a file - since its created 
> here and there are documents I sign about not disclosing the work I do 
> here - like details about it. And, this screen layout might be disclosing Too 
> much.
>
> What I may do - is tweak the screen - make it almost generic - then, 
> maybe just send the file Directly to you if you want to take a peek at it.
>
> Thanks,
> -K-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of 
> Fernando D. Bozzo
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 2:35 PM
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: STRANGE Shifting of Form Label
>
> Hi Kurt:
>
> Could you upload the form to any free drive so can be analyzed?
>
>
> Fernando.-
>
>
>
> 2015-05-07 19:31 GMT+02:00 Kurt Wendt :
>
> > OK - this is rather strange. I am Editing a form that a co-worker
> created.
> > I was just doing some cleanup of the layout. Well - 2 of these Label 
> > type objects on the form - it looks OK when I save it. But, upon 
> > re-opening the Form - Both Labels have shifted over to the right - 
> > and then either appearing partially On top or Under the next object 
> > to the right. Its really weird. I reset them - save the form - close 
> > it - reopen it - and they are shifted Again!
> >
> > Its only happening for like 2 of the 9 labels on the form. It does 
> > NOT happen to Any of the other 7 labels. I even looked at the 
> > Layout, Other and Favorites properties of the Labels with the 
> > problem - comparing against labels that do NOT have the problem - 
> > and the really only differences is the obvious stuff like the 
> > Caption and the various positional qty's. So - I'm really kind of surprised 
> > this is happening.
> >
> > Thanks in Advance!
> > -K-
> >
> >
> > Kurt Wendt
> > Consultant
> >
> > GLOBETAX
> > 90 Broad Street
> > New York, NY 10004-2205, U.S.A.
> > Tel. +1-212-747-9100
> > Fax. +1-212-747-0029
> > Email:  kurt_we...@globetax.com
> > Web: www.GlobeTax.com
> >
> > GlobeTax does not provide or offer, and this is not, tax, investment 
> > or legal advice. This email and any attachments hereto is intended 
> > only for use by the addressee(s) and may contain confidential 
> > information. If you are not the intended recipient  of this  e-mail, 
> > please immediately notify the sender at +1-212-747-9100 and 
> > permanently delete the original and any copies of this e-mail.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: STRANGE Shifting of Form Label

[Fernando D. Bozzo]

If you made a backup, then you can compare the text view of the original
form and the text view of the new form. May be the problem is what I've
described.

The thing is that you don't allways can take out the controls and paste
them again. In example, you can't do that if this controls are from a class.


Regards.-




2015-05-07 21:18 GMT+02:00 Kurt Wendt :

> Hey Ted!
>
> Thanks for the follow-up.
>
> -Original Message-
> > Kurt:
> > Quick and dirty fix: Note the base class and any non-default
> > properties of the two mis-behaving labels.
>
> The Base class is just Label - nothing special there.
>
> >Delete the two labels and add two new ones.
>
> Yup - I just did that - and it worked!
>
> But, MAN - what the Heck was causing the problem. Its so Strange, well -
> maybe its just a little Strange - but, it certainly wasn't normal.
>
> Thanks!
> -K-
>
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Re: [OT] Now this is funny.

[Fred Taylor]

Yes.  Yes it is.

Fred

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Stephen Russell 
wrote:

>
> http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/n-f-l-sentences-brady-to-a-year-with-the-jets
>
>
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Re: STRANGE Shifting of Form Label

[Fernando D. Bozzo]

Ok, I tell you what I have in mind (something of the like Ted said :)

1) Convert your form to text with FoxBin2Prg v1.19.43 Preview-4


2) Open the generated text with Fox with MODIFY COMMAND  to
get syntax colouring like any PRG (but this code is not compilable)

3) Look for the ADD OBJECT of this labels by their name (could you
copy/paste only those ADD OBJECTS?)

4) Look at their visible properties (visible, enabled, top, left,
alignment, anchor, autosize) and the invisible ones (zorderset) [Note:
ZOrderSet is not visible on the Properties windows when editing the form]

5) Look if there are more controls with the same ZOrderSet. If there are,
then this is a VFP ZOrder bug

I've documented on VFPx that can be corrected with FoxBin2Prg using the new
setting "RemoveZOrderSetFromProps", regenerating the binary from the sc2
text.


Let me know if this is the case,

Regards.-



2015-05-07 20:53 GMT+02:00 Kurt Wendt :

> Well - there are 2 problems with doing that.
> 1 - not sure where I would upload it to, but - more so...
> 2 - I don't think I can honestly upload a file - since its created here
> and there are documents I sign about not disclosing the work I do here -
> like details about it. And, this screen layout might be disclosing Too much.
>
> What I may do - is tweak the screen - make it almost generic - then, maybe
> just send the file Directly to you if you want to take a peek at it.
>
> Thanks,
> -K-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of
> Fernando D. Bozzo
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 2:35 PM
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: STRANGE Shifting of Form Label
>
> Hi Kurt:
>
> Could you upload the form to any free drive so can be analyzed?
>
>
> Fernando.-
>
>
>
> 2015-05-07 19:31 GMT+02:00 Kurt Wendt :
>
> > OK - this is rather strange. I am Editing a form that a co-worker
> created.
> > I was just doing some cleanup of the layout. Well - 2 of these Label
> > type objects on the form - it looks OK when I save it. But, upon
> > re-opening the Form - Both Labels have shifted over to the right - and
> > then either appearing partially On top or Under the next object to the
> > right. Its really weird. I reset them - save the form - close it -
> > reopen it - and they are shifted Again!
> >
> > Its only happening for like 2 of the 9 labels on the form. It does NOT
> > happen to Any of the other 7 labels. I even looked at the Layout,
> > Other and Favorites properties of the Labels with the problem -
> > comparing against labels that do NOT have the problem - and the really
> > only differences is the obvious stuff like the Caption and the various
> > positional qty's. So - I'm really kind of surprised this is happening.
> >
> > Thanks in Advance!
> > -K-
> >
> >
> > Kurt Wendt
> > Consultant
> >
> > GLOBETAX
> > 90 Broad Street
> > New York, NY 10004-2205, U.S.A.
> > Tel. +1-212-747-9100
> > Fax. +1-212-747-0029
> > Email:  kurt_we...@globetax.com
> > Web: www.GlobeTax.com
> >
> > GlobeTax does not provide or offer, and this is not, tax, investment
> > or legal advice. This email and any attachments hereto is intended
> > only for use by the addressee(s) and may contain confidential
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> > permanently delete the original and any copies of this e-mail.
> >
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RE: STRANGE Shifting of Form Label

[Kurt Wendt]

Hey Ted!

Thanks for the follow-up.

-Original Message-
> Kurt:
> Quick and dirty fix: Note the base class and any non-default 
> properties of the two mis-behaving labels. 

The Base class is just Label - nothing special there. 

>Delete the two labels and add two new ones.

Yup - I just did that - and it worked! 

But, MAN - what the Heck was causing the problem. Its so Strange, well - maybe 
its just a little Strange - but, it certainly wasn't normal.

Thanks!
-K- 

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Re: STRANGE Shifting of Form Label

[Ted Roche]

Kurt:

Quick and dirty fix: Note the base class and any non-default
properties of the two mis-behaving labels. Delete the two labels and
add two new ones.

Longer-form more robust fix:

Is the form under source code control? Good tools, like Fernando's
utility, will turn the binary SCX into text that's very useful to
study and compare to previous versions.

If you're not using source code control, this is a great time to point
out to your bosses why this exact problem could be solved much easier
that way :)

Make sure you have backups.

Browse the SCX as a table (BROW NOMO is a good way to make sure you
don't accidentally change something) and see if there's funny stuff
related to the labels.

Pack the form to remove bogus, duplicate, deleted records.


On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Kurt Wendt  wrote:
> OK - this is rather strange. I am Editing a form that a co-worker created. I 
> was just doing some cleanup of the layout. Well - 2 of these Label type 
> objects on the form - it looks OK when I save it. But, upon re-opening the 
> Form - Both Labels have shifted over to the right - and then either appearing 
> partially On top or Under the next object to the right. Its really weird. I 
> reset them - save the form - close it - reopen it - and they are shifted 
> Again!
>


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RE: STRANGE Shifting of Form Label

[Kurt Wendt]

Well - there are 2 problems with doing that. 
1 - not sure where I would upload it to, but - more so...
2 - I don't think I can honestly upload a file - since its created here and 
there are documents I sign about not disclosing the work I do here - like 
details about it. And, this screen layout might be disclosing Too much.

What I may do - is tweak the screen - make it almost generic - then, maybe just 
send the file Directly to you if you want to take a peek at it.

Thanks,
-K-


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Bozzo
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Subject: Re: STRANGE Shifting of Form Label

Hi Kurt:

Could you upload the form to any free drive so can be analyzed?


Fernando.-



2015-05-07 19:31 GMT+02:00 Kurt Wendt :

> OK - this is rather strange. I am Editing a form that a co-worker created.
> I was just doing some cleanup of the layout. Well - 2 of these Label 
> type objects on the form - it looks OK when I save it. But, upon 
> re-opening the Form - Both Labels have shifted over to the right - and 
> then either appearing partially On top or Under the next object to the 
> right. Its really weird. I reset them - save the form - close it - 
> reopen it - and they are shifted Again!
>
> Its only happening for like 2 of the 9 labels on the form. It does NOT 
> happen to Any of the other 7 labels. I even looked at the Layout, 
> Other and Favorites properties of the Labels with the problem - 
> comparing against labels that do NOT have the problem - and the really 
> only differences is the obvious stuff like the Caption and the various 
> positional qty's. So - I'm really kind of surprised this is happening.
>
> Thanks in Advance!
> -K-
>
>
> Kurt Wendt
> Consultant
>
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Re: STRANGE Shifting of Form Label

[Fernando D. Bozzo]

Hi Kurt:

Could you upload the form to any free drive so can be analyzed?


Fernando.-



2015-05-07 19:31 GMT+02:00 Kurt Wendt :

> OK - this is rather strange. I am Editing a form that a co-worker created.
> I was just doing some cleanup of the layout. Well - 2 of these Label type
> objects on the form - it looks OK when I save it. But, upon re-opening the
> Form - Both Labels have shifted over to the right - and then either
> appearing partially On top or Under the next object to the right. Its
> really weird. I reset them - save the form - close it - reopen it - and
> they are shifted Again!
>
> Its only happening for like 2 of the 9 labels on the form. It does NOT
> happen to Any of the other 7 labels. I even looked at the Layout, Other and
> Favorites properties of the Labels with the problem - comparing against
> labels that do NOT have the problem - and the really only differences is
> the obvious stuff like the Caption and the various positional qty's. So -
> I'm really kind of surprised this is happening.
>
> Thanks in Advance!
> -K-
>
>
> Kurt Wendt
> Consultant
>
> GLOBETAX
> 90 Broad Street
> New York, NY 10004-2205, U.S.A.
> Tel. +1-212-747-9100
> Fax. +1-212-747-0029
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STRANGE Shifting of Form Label

[Kurt Wendt]

OK - this is rather strange. I am Editing a form that a co-worker created. I 
was just doing some cleanup of the layout. Well - 2 of these Label type objects 
on the form - it looks OK when I save it. But, upon re-opening the Form - Both 
Labels have shifted over to the right - and then either appearing partially On 
top or Under the next object to the right. Its really weird. I reset them - 
save the form - close it - reopen it - and they are shifted Again!

Its only happening for like 2 of the 9 labels on the form. It does NOT happen 
to Any of the other 7 labels. I even looked at the Layout, Other and Favorites 
properties of the Labels with the problem - comparing against labels that do 
NOT have the problem - and the really only differences is the obvious stuff 
like the Caption and the various positional qty's. So - I'm really kind of 
surprised this is happening.

Thanks in Advance!
-K-


Kurt Wendt
Consultant

GLOBETAX
90 Broad Street
New York, NY 10004-2205, U.S.A.
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RE: [NF] NAV Dynamics help required

[Kurt Wendt]

Hey Dave - awesome ending to that post! Go for it - maybe its time you did!!!

What a life - sitting with your Surface Pro - on the Beach - tweaking NAV Data 
& Setups in between Margaritas!

:-)
-K-

-Original Message-
...Any ideas?
Dave
P.S 
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telecommuting!!! 

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Re: [NF] NAV Dynamics help required

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On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 6:00 AM, Dave Crozier  wrote:

> Guys 'n Girls,
> Just installed NAV Dynamics 2015 and have managed to transfer all our
> customers, vendors and opening balances from our VFP system into NAV with
> all accounts balanced. So far so good!!
>
> Now I want to set up a daily automated posting routine which takes all the
> invoices we produce (in our case one item per invoice, and posts this data
> into NAV so that the one posting goes into the Sales Account, Tax (VAT)
> account and Debtors control account in one hit.
>
> Anyone out there got any experience with NAV? The so called experts we had
> in to oversee the data xfer quoted 32 man days at £850 pounts sterling per
> day for the transfer and W managed to do it ourselves with a little
> assistance in 2 days so I think this is a little like the old SAP situation
> where you call yourself a SAP or NAV consultant, add zero's onto the end of
> your daily rate and then multiply the time it will take by 10 - making a
> good lucrative living out of it in the meantime at the customer's expense.
>
> I have looked at importing data via an XML web service as well as using
> the standard NAV "Rapidstart" configuration packages but these seem to only
> do static 1:1 table transfers - in fact this is the way we did the Vendors
> and customers and opening balances. The added complication of posting one
> transaction that then has to go to 3 G/L accounts has stumped me at the
> moment.
> --


I run on InFor LN and not NAV but you probably have similar "processes" in
NAV.

LN has a listener, ION, which is aware of any BOD, Business Object
Document, and will present it to you for your use or allow you to make your
own and submit for processing.  BOD for us is an XML document and in your
case is could be different.

If that is true with NAV then you need to create your Invoice BOD and
submit it to NAV.  NAV will then process the data as an invoice and all is
well.

You may attempt to just create trasnactions in all tables like an invoice
but I would worry about all fo the tables that NAV uses compared to your
system.  For our company the posting of an invoice makes all the woderful
trasactions across all of our various internal companies happen.






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Re: [NF] NAV Dynamics help required

[AndyHC]

I've no experience with NAV but I have interfaced VFP to a couple of 
proprietary systems, the secret imho is to bypass as much of the 
Application as possible: -  Is the NAV SQL Server db locked down tight?  
If not (and particularly if your VFP system uses an RDB) you could look 
at triggers to call remote updates on the NAV db (there may very well be 
SP's built into the NAV db that could be called without the risks 
associated with raw update calls).
Otherwise there is apparently the quaintly named (and quaintly 1970's) 
C/AL - which allows db access in a way vaguely reminiscent of Ababas 
Natural.  Why is it that Enterprise applications all have this retro 
feel?  - Ah! because they all started life well before the millennium 
crisis was thought of!


On 07/05/2015 16:30, Dave Crozier wrote:

Guys 'n Girls,
Just installed NAV Dynamics 2015 and have managed to transfer all our 
customers, vendors and opening balances from our VFP system into NAV with all 
accounts balanced. So far so good!!

Now I want to set up a daily automated posting routine which takes all the 
invoices we produce (in our case one item per invoice, and posts this data into 
NAV so that the one posting goes into the Sales Account, Tax (VAT) account and 
Debtors control account in one hit.

Anyone out there got any experience with NAV? The so called experts we had in 
to oversee the data xfer quoted 32 man days at £850 pounts sterling per day for 
the transfer and W managed to do it ourselves with a little assistance in 2 
days so I think this is a little like the old SAP situation where you call 
yourself a SAP or NAV consultant, add zero's onto the end of your daily rate 
and then multiply the time it will take by 10 - making a good lucrative living 
out of it in the meantime at the customer's expense.

I have looked at importing data via an XML web service as well as using the standard NAV 
"Rapidstart" configuration packages but these seem to only do static 1:1 table 
transfers - in fact this is the way we did the Vendors and customers and opening 
balances. The added complication of posting one transaction that then has to go to 3 G/L 
accounts has stumped me at the moment.

Any ideas?

Dave

P.S
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Re: [NF] - Uninstall problem

[Laurie Alvey]

Found the problem. CCleaner was running as a process (I found it using Mark
Russinovich's Process Explorer utility Sysinternals - www.sysinternals.com),
killed the process and it uninstalled without problems. Thanks to all.
Laurie

On 7 May 2015 at 10:29, Dave Crozier  wrote:

> Re-install the newest version and then do the uninstall.
>
> Dave
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: 07 May 2015 10:26
> To: profox@leafe.com; profoxt...@leafe.com
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>
> Run CCleaner on it? (Sorry, couldn't resist)
>
> Try finding a copy of the Microsoft Installer Cleanup utility (maybe a
> different name) that they discontinued but you can probably still find out
> there.
>
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RE: Delay in USEing table on network causes errors, using VMs, Win7

[Dave Crozier]

Alan,
Totally in agreement with you... the oplocks issue that was sometimes a 
showstopper isn't required any more.

Dave


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I'm not saying there aren't occasional issues, I'm saying that they are the 
exception. Any sites where I have had problems in the last few years have been 
fixed by ensuring that everything is service packed up, and that the Enterprise 
Hotfix Rollup is applied to servers and Windows 7 clients as appropriate. I 
never touch OpLock settings. You can't disable OpLocks anyway unless you knock 
everything back to SMB1,.


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On Thu, 7 May 2015, at 12:06 PM, Fernando D. Bozzo wrote:
> Hi Alan:
> 
> I'm not the only that have this problems, and we don't use win7 as 
> servers, I'm talking about a big infrastructure of 100's of virtual 
> servers with windows 2003, 2008 and 2012, and thousands of PC's 
> (virtual and phisical
> )
> with users grouped up 50 concurrent in various Citrix servers.
> 
> Over the web there are many reporting problems with network acceses to 
> files like vfp and other apps.
> 
> The hotfix you mention does resolve all this problems with smb2/3?
> Because
> configuring smb1 is not an option on our networks, and I'm not admin
> 
> There are some whitepapers explaining the problem with oplocks El 
> 07/05/2015 09:53, "Alan Bourke"  escribió:
> 
> > > If you are going to use network shares for the tables, just be 
> > > care with the combination of client OS and server OS, because any 
> > > combination starting with Win7->Win7 or higher, will cause corruption 
> > > problems.
> >
> > Sorry but that's just not true in the general case. We have hundreds 
> > of sites where this is NOT the case. It's true that sometimes 
> > problems occur like the CDX corruption issue with SMB2 that cropped 
> > up in the early days of Windows 7, normally these can be worked 
> > around and are later hot-fixed out by Microsoft. I have found that 
> > the Windows 7 and Windows 8 combination with Server 2012 is 
> > extremely reliable in terms of DBF files.
> >
> > > why everytime more people is staying away from DBFs and migrate to 
> > > a client-server database (MySql, MariaDB, Oracle, SqlServer, etc)
> >
> > Having said the above, in general it is indeed IMO a good idea these 
> > days to use a dedicated database server like those you mention, but 
> > I would do it for reasons of scalability, security, ease of backup 
> > and so on.
> >
> > --
> >   Alan Bourke
> >   alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
> >
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Re: Delay in USEing table on network causes errors, using VMs, Win7

[Alan Bourke]

I'm not saying there aren't occasional issues, I'm saying that they are
the exception. Any sites where I have had problems in the last few years
have been fixed by ensuring that everything is service packed up, and
that the Enterprise Hotfix Rollup is applied to servers and Windows 7
clients as appropriate. I never touch OpLock settings. You can't disable
OpLocks anyway unless you knock everything back to SMB1,.


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  alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

On Thu, 7 May 2015, at 12:06 PM, Fernando D. Bozzo wrote:
> Hi Alan:
> 
> I'm not the only that have this problems, and we don't use win7 as
> servers,
> I'm talking about a big infrastructure of 100's of virtual servers with
> windows 2003, 2008 and 2012, and thousands of PC's (virtual and phisical
> )
> with users grouped up 50 concurrent in various Citrix servers.
> 
> Over the web there are many reporting problems with network acceses to
> files like vfp and other apps.
> 
> The hotfix you mention does resolve all this problems with smb2/3?
> Because
> configuring smb1 is not an option on our networks, and I'm not admin
> 
> There are some whitepapers explaining the problem with oplocks
> El 07/05/2015 09:53, "Alan Bourke"  escribió:
> 
> > > If you are going to use network shares for the tables, just be care with
> > > the combination of client OS and server OS, because any combination
> > > starting with Win7->Win7 or higher, will cause corruption problems.
> >
> > Sorry but that's just not true in the general case. We have hundreds of
> > sites where this is NOT the case. It's true that sometimes problems
> > occur like the CDX corruption issue with SMB2 that cropped up in the
> > early days of Windows 7, normally these can be worked around and are
> > later hot-fixed out by Microsoft. I have found that the Windows 7 and
> > Windows 8 combination with Server 2012 is extremely reliable in terms of
> > DBF files.
> >
> > > why everytime more people is staying away from DBFs and migrate to a
> > > client-server database (MySql, MariaDB, Oracle, SqlServer, etc)
> >
> > Having said the above, in general it is indeed IMO a good idea these
> > days to use a dedicated database server like those you mention, but I
> > would do it for reasons of scalability, security, ease of backup and so
> > on.
> >
> > --
> >   Alan Bourke
> >   alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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Re: Delay in USEing table on network causes errors, using VMs, Win7

[Fernando D. Bozzo]

Hi Alan:

I'm not the only that have this problems, and we don't use win7 as servers,
I'm talking about a big infrastructure of 100's of virtual servers with
windows 2003, 2008 and 2012, and thousands of PC's (virtual and phisical )
with users grouped up 50 concurrent in various Citrix servers.

Over the web there are many reporting problems with network acceses to
files like vfp and other apps.

The hotfix you mention does resolve all this problems with smb2/3? Because
configuring smb1 is not an option on our networks, and I'm not admin

There are some whitepapers explaining the problem with oplocks
El 07/05/2015 09:53, "Alan Bourke"  escribió:

> > If you are going to use network shares for the tables, just be care with
> > the combination of client OS and server OS, because any combination
> > starting with Win7->Win7 or higher, will cause corruption problems.
>
> Sorry but that's just not true in the general case. We have hundreds of
> sites where this is NOT the case. It's true that sometimes problems
> occur like the CDX corruption issue with SMB2 that cropped up in the
> early days of Windows 7, normally these can be worked around and are
> later hot-fixed out by Microsoft. I have found that the Windows 7 and
> Windows 8 combination with Server 2012 is extremely reliable in terms of
> DBF files.
>
> > why everytime more people is staying away from DBFs and migrate to a
> > client-server database (MySql, MariaDB, Oracle, SqlServer, etc)
>
> Having said the above, in general it is indeed IMO a good idea these
> days to use a dedicated database server like those you mention, but I
> would do it for reasons of scalability, security, ease of backup and so
> on.
>
> --
>   Alan Bourke
>   alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
>
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[NF] NAV Dynamics help required

[Dave Crozier]

Guys 'n Girls,
Just installed NAV Dynamics 2015 and have managed to transfer all our 
customers, vendors and opening balances from our VFP system into NAV with all 
accounts balanced. So far so good!!

Now I want to set up a daily automated posting routine which takes all the 
invoices we produce (in our case one item per invoice, and posts this data into 
NAV so that the one posting goes into the Sales Account, Tax (VAT) account and 
Debtors control account in one hit. 

Anyone out there got any experience with NAV? The so called experts we had in 
to oversee the data xfer quoted 32 man days at £850 pounts sterling per day for 
the transfer and W managed to do it ourselves with a little assistance in 2 
days so I think this is a little like the old SAP situation where you call 
yourself a SAP or NAV consultant, add zero's onto the end of your daily rate 
and then multiply the time it will take by 10 - making a good lucrative living 
out of it in the meantime at the customer's expense.

I have looked at importing data via an XML web service as well as using the 
standard NAV "Rapidstart" configuration packages but these seem to only do 
static 1:1 table transfers - in fact this is the way we did the Vendors and 
customers and opening balances. The added complication of posting one 
transaction that then has to go to 3 G/L accounts has stumped me at the moment.

Any ideas?

Dave

P.S 
Once I get proficient in NAV I'm off to the Bahamas as a NAV consultant using 
telecommuting!!! 


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RE: [NF] - Uninstall problem

[Dave Crozier]

Re-install the newest version and then do the uninstall.

Dave

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Run CCleaner on it? (Sorry, couldn't resist)

Try finding a copy of the Microsoft Installer Cleanup utility (maybe a 
different name) that they discontinued but you can probably still find out 
there.

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Re: [NF] - Uninstall problem

[Alan Bourke]

Run CCleaner on it? (Sorry, couldn't resist)

Try finding a copy of the Microsoft Installer Cleanup utility (maybe a
different name) that they discontinued but you can probably still find
out there.

-- 
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  alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

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[NF] - Uninstall problem

[Laurie Alvey]

I've got a copy of CCleaner (yeah, I know), that I want to dump. The
uninstaller just hangs. I've tried using Revo but same problem. Anyone got
any ideas? (I'm on XP SP3.)

Laurie


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Re: Delay in USEing table on network causes errors, using VMs, Win7

[Jean Laeremans]

Around 15 years by now:
-Samba share
-50-60 concurrent users
- about 40 tables

Never had - touch wood - any problems, not even a faulty cdx file

A+
jml



Sorry but that's just not true in the general case. We have hundreds of
> sites where this is NOT the case. It's true that sometimes problems
> occur like the CDX corruption issue with SMB2 that cropped up in the
> early days of Windows 7, normally these can be worked around and are
> later hot-fixed out by Microsoft. I have found that the Windows 7 and
> Windows 8 combination with Server 2012 is extremely reliable in terms of
> DBF files.
>
>
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RE: Delay in USEing table on network causes errors, using VMs, Win7

[Dave Crozier]

...and can I add to that list decent properly set up servers a must.

People still trying to work on a Windows 7 machine as a server with multiple 
clients are asking for trouble... but I still know some who think it is fine.

Dave



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Subject: RE: Delay in USEing table on network causes errors, using VMs, Win7

+1 for Alan's comments. 

The only reason we have migrated over to M$ SQL is the data size restrictions 
in VFP. With a good network infrastructure/cabling then VFP DBC's * DBF's cause 
little if no problems. When we had cheap hardware (clone PC's) and 10Mb cabling 
then we used to get errors/timeouts etc. but since we moved over to good HP kit 
with Gigabit as standard (100Gb shortly) we have not experienced corruption on 
any of the native VFP systems we still have in place here.

Dave

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Subject: Re: Delay in USEing table on network causes errors, using VMs, Win7

> If you are going to use network shares for the tables, just be care 
> with the combination of client OS and server OS, because any 
> combination starting with Win7->Win7 or higher, will cause corruption 
> problems.

Sorry but that's just not true in the general case. We have hundreds of sites 
where this is NOT the case. It's true that sometimes problems occur like the 
CDX corruption issue with SMB2 that cropped up in the early days of Windows 7, 
normally these can be worked around and are later hot-fixed out by Microsoft. I 
have found that the Windows 7 and Windows 8 combination with Server 2012 is 
extremely reliable in terms of DBF files.

> why everytime more people is staying away from DBFs and migrate to a 
> client-server database (MySql, MariaDB, Oracle, SqlServer, etc)

Having said the above, in general it is indeed IMO a good idea these days to 
use a dedicated database server like those you mention, but I would do it for 
reasons of scalability, security, ease of backup and so on.

--
  Alan Bourke
  alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

[excessive quoting removed by server]

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RE: Delay in USEing table on network causes errors, using VMs, Win7

[Dave Crozier]

+1 for Alan's comments. 

The only reason we have migrated over to M$ SQL is the data size restrictions 
in VFP. With a good network infrastructure/cabling then VFP DBC's * DBF's cause 
little if no problems. When we had cheap hardware (clone PC's) and 10Mb cabling 
then we used to get errors/timeouts etc. but since we moved over to good HP kit 
with Gigabit as standard (100Gb shortly) we have not experienced corruption on 
any of the native VFP systems we still have in place here.

Dave

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> If you are going to use network shares for the tables, just be care 
> with the combination of client OS and server OS, because any 
> combination starting with Win7->Win7 or higher, will cause corruption 
> problems.

Sorry but that's just not true in the general case. We have hundreds of sites 
where this is NOT the case. It's true that sometimes problems occur like the 
CDX corruption issue with SMB2 that cropped up in the early days of Windows 7, 
normally these can be worked around and are later hot-fixed out by Microsoft. I 
have found that the Windows 7 and Windows 8 combination with Server 2012 is 
extremely reliable in terms of DBF files.

> why everytime more people is staying away from DBFs and migrate to a 
> client-server database (MySql, MariaDB, Oracle, SqlServer, etc)

Having said the above, in general it is indeed IMO a good idea these days to 
use a dedicated database server like those you mention, but I would do it for 
reasons of scalability, security, ease of backup and so on.

--
  Alan Bourke
  alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

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Re: Delay in USEing table on network causes errors, using VMs, Win7

[Alan Bourke]

> If you are going to use network shares for the tables, just be care with
> the combination of client OS and server OS, because any combination
> starting with Win7->Win7 or higher, will cause corruption problems.

Sorry but that's just not true in the general case. We have hundreds of
sites where this is NOT the case. It's true that sometimes problems
occur like the CDX corruption issue with SMB2 that cropped up in the
early days of Windows 7, normally these can be worked around and are
later hot-fixed out by Microsoft. I have found that the Windows 7 and
Windows 8 combination with Server 2012 is extremely reliable in terms of
DBF files.

> why everytime more people is staying away from DBFs and migrate to a
> client-server database (MySql, MariaDB, Oracle, SqlServer, etc)

Having said the above, in general it is indeed IMO a good idea these
days to use a dedicated database server like those you mention, but I
would do it for reasons of scalability, security, ease of backup and so
on.

-- 
  Alan Bourke
  alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

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