RE: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?

[Paul Newton]

As opposed to the same INSANE CLR?

-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Alvey
Sent: 20 June 2016 18:56
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?

If you're using .NET, then it doesn't really matter - it all ends up with the 
sane CLR.

Laurie

On 20 June 2016 at 18:33, Kurt Wendt  wrote:

> DARN - I hate when this happens. I type an e-mail reply - but, forget 
> to send it - and have other windows in front of it. So - now - 3 days 
> later - I see I didn't send it! So - here goes...
>
> I totally agree with you Alan.
>
> Funny thing is - a while ago - they were a purely VB shop. Then - some 
> of the systems folks here started having an argument about what to develop in.
> The CTO then put out the word via e-mail, re:VB vs. C#. Which then had 
> more people arguing. So - then he called a meeting of the entire 
> systems dept. - like about 30 people - and we argued in a conference 
> room. Kinda funny - since one guy says this other guy in the group had 
> ALREADY been doing coding in C# - when we were supposed to be a VB 
> shop. So - in the end - the CTO decided to let Each Programmer decide 
> what they would prefer to code in. So - now we are officially a 2 language 
> shop!
>
> :-)
>
> Regards,
> Kurt Wendt
> Senior Systems Analyst
>
>
> Tel. +1-212-747-9100
> www.GlobeTax.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alan Bourke
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:40 PM
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
>
> Make it C# would be my opinion.
>
> --
>   Alan Bourke
>   alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
>
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, at 06:21 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
> > Yeah - I started on an Apple II doing BASIC in 1980. Dabbled in 
> > BASIC for years - then 'fell in love' with TurboPascal.
> >
> > I'm still doing VFP. But, at my job - they are Pushing me Seriously 
> > to get on-board w/.Net - and either learn VB or C#.
> >
> > So - I gotta get crackin' and start watching some video tutorials - 
> > and get my head wrapped around a new language...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kurt Wendt
> > Senior Systems Analyst
> >
> >
> > Tel. +1-212-747-9100
> > www.GlobeTax.com
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of 
> > John R. Sowden
> > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:16 PM
> > To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> > Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
> >
> > This is interesting.  When I started with computers in 1977 (TRS-80 
> > Model I), I was the target market for computers, software, etc.  I 
> > am a small businessperson who invested time and energy into using computers.
> > I loved it!  Now, I am not recognized at all.  Either I use canned 
> > software (gnucash, a quicken wanna be), an Office Program (Libre 
> > Office), etc.  or I am a "developer" earning a living writing code 
> > for
> others.
> > Neither apply.  I have been writing in dBASE II, dBXL, Foxbase, 
> > FoxPro/DOS (Visual Foxpro 5.0, never worked (not enough memory error 
> > with more than enough memory)).  Now I am trying Pure Basic.  I 
> > wonder what happened to the rest of us.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On 06/17/2016 09:54 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> > > At 09:18 2016-06-17, Alan Bourke  wrote:
> > >> With added Lord Of The Rings comparisions.
> > >>
> > >> http://carlcheo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/which-programming-
> > >> la ng uage-should-i-learn-first-infographic.png
> > >>
> > >
> > >  It made for a break from all the 
> > > shooting-yourself-in-the-foot comparisons.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Gene Wirchenko
> > >
> > >
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RE: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?

[Paul Newton]

But it does have _Using_ ... unlike VB and VFP

-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen 
Russell
Sent: 20 June 2016 19:00
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?

What she said.

Outside of { } and capitalization rules there is very little difference between 
the two.  I have an old VB all to maintain as well as a few C# that I put 
together.

C# doesn't have a " with " like VB and VFP do.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Laurie Alvey  wrote:

> If you're using .NET, then it doesn't really matter - it all ends up 
> with the sane CLR.
>
> Laurie
>
> On 20 June 2016 at 18:33, Kurt Wendt  wrote:
>
> > DARN - I hate when this happens. I type an e-mail reply - but, 
> > forget to send it - and have other windows in front of it. So - now 
> > - 3 days later
> -
> > I see I didn't send it! So - here goes...
> >
> > I totally agree with you Alan.
> >
> > Funny thing is - a while ago - they were a purely VB shop. Then - 
> > some of the systems folks here started having an argument about what 
> > to develop
> in.
> > The CTO then put out the word via e-mail, re:VB vs. C#. Which then 
> > had
> more
> > people arguing. So - then he called a meeting of the entire systems
> dept. -
> > like about 30 people - and we argued in a conference room. Kinda 
> > funny - since one guy says this other guy in the group had ALREADY 
> > been doing coding in C# - when we were supposed to be a VB shop. So 
> > - in the end -
> the
> > CTO decided to let Each Programmer decide what they would prefer to 
> > code in. So - now we are officially a 2 language shop!
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kurt Wendt
> > Senior Systems Analyst
> >
> >
> > Tel. +1-212-747-9100
> > www.GlobeTax.com
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Alan Bourke
> > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:40 PM
> > To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> > Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
> >
> > Make it C# would be my opinion.
> >
> > --
> >   Alan Bourke
> >   alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, at 06:21 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
> > > Yeah - I started on an Apple II doing BASIC in 1980. Dabbled in 
> > > BASIC for years - then 'fell in love' with TurboPascal.
> > >
> > > I'm still doing VFP. But, at my job - they are Pushing me 
> > > Seriously to get on-board w/.Net - and either learn VB or C#.
> > >
> > > So - I gotta get crackin' and start watching some video tutorials 
> > > - and get my head wrapped around a new language...
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kurt Wendt
> > > Senior Systems Analyst
> > >
> > >
> > > Tel. +1-212-747-9100
> > > www.GlobeTax.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf 
> > > Of John R. Sowden
> > > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:16 PM
> > > To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> > > Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
> > >
> > > This is interesting.  When I started with computers in 1977 
> > > (TRS-80 Model I), I was the target market for computers, software, 
> > > etc.  I am a small businessperson who invested time and energy 
> > > into using
> computers.
> > > I loved it!  Now, I am not recognized at all.  Either I use canned 
> > > software (gnucash, a quicken wanna be), an Office Program (Libre 
> > > Office), etc.  or I am a "developer" earning a living writing code 
> > > for
> > others.
> > > Neither apply.  I have been writing in dBASE II, dBXL, Foxbase, 
> > > FoxPro/DOS (Visual Foxpro 5.0, never worked (not enough memory 
> > > error with more than enough memory)).  Now I am trying Pure Basic.  
> > > I wonder what happened to the rest of us.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/17/2016 09:54 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> > > > At 09:18 2016-06-17, Alan Bourke  wrote:
> > > >> With added Lord Of The Rings comparisions.
> > > >>
> > > >> http://carlcheo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/which-programmin
> > > >> g-la ng uage-should-i-learn-first-infographic.png
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >  It made for a break from all the 
> > > > shooting-yourself-in-the-foot comparisons.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > Gene Wirchenko
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?

[Alan Bourke]

On Tue, 21 Jun 2016, at 08:35 AM, Paul Newton wrote:
> But it does have _Using_ ... unlike VB and VFP

Although C# 'using' is different in that it is a shorthand for disposing
of IDisposable objects properly whereas 'With' in VFP is just shorthand
to avoid typing. 

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RE: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?

[Paul Newton]

True Alan ... AND I should have written _using_ NOT _Using_ as you so tactfully 
pointed out :)

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From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke
Sent: 21 June 2016 08:42
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?

On Tue, 21 Jun 2016, at 08:35 AM, Paul Newton wrote:
> But it does have _Using_ ... unlike VB and VFP

Although C# 'using' is different in that it is a shorthand for disposing of 
IDisposable objects properly whereas 'With' in VFP is just shorthand to avoid 
typing. 

--
  Alan Bourke
  alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

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Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?

[Peter Cushing]

On 20/06/2016 19:51, Ted Roche wrote:

"There's 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary,
and those who don't"

Actually there are II kinds of people in the world, those who understand 
Roman numerals, and those who don't.


Peter


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RE: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?

[Dave Crozier]

No, not correct.

There are 3 kinds of people in the world, people who can count and people who 
can't

;-)
Dave


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Sent: 21 June 2016 09:52
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On 20/06/2016 19:51, Ted Roche wrote:
> "There's 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary, 
> and those who don't"
>
Actually there are II kinds of people in the world, those who understand Roman 
numerals, and those who don't.

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Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?

[Allen]

And what about the other two?
Al

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Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 11:00 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?

No, not correct.

There are 3 kinds of people in the world, people who can count and people 
who can't


;-)
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Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?

[Jean Laeremans]

Better leave those 'Wurst' alone Al

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Allen  wrote:

> And what about the other two?
> Al
>
> -Original Message- From: Dave Crozier
> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 11:00 AM
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: RE: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?
>
> No, not correct.
>
> There are 3 kinds of people in the world, people who can count and people
> who can't
>
> ;-)
> Dave
>
>
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Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?

[Allen]

Good advice JM
Al

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Better leave those 'Wurst' alone Al


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Form Width property won't persist...

[Matt Slay]

I have a form where in the Form Designer I set MaxWidth = 1400 and Width 
= 1400. I have the options in VFP IDE options set to "Max Design Area" = 
1600 X 1200.


However, every time I open the form in the Form Designer, it resets the 
Width property to 1024.


How can I force VFP to keep the width at the 1400 value so I do not have 
to reset it each time I open the form to edit.



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RE: Form Width property won't persist...

[Richard Kaye]

I would think this lives in foxuser? What happens if you clear out your foxuser 
table? 

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Subject: Form Width property won't persist...

I have a form where in the Form Designer I set MaxWidth = 1400 and Width 
= 1400. I have the options in VFP IDE options set to "Max Design Area" = 
1600 X 1200.

However, every time I open the form in the Form Designer, it resets the 
Width property to 1024.

How can I force VFP to keep the width at the 1400 value so I do not have 
to reset it each time I open the form to edit.


*Matt Slay*, President
Jordan Machine Co.


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Re: Form Width property won't persist...

[Koen Piller]

Hi,
What happens if you set the width and other sizings in the init of the
form? Does it still shrink to 1024? If so there should be something else
going, GoFish4 '1024' or debugger?
Regards,
Koen
P.S. I did not even try to be funny with my first suggestion


2016-06-21 16:02 GMT+02:00 Matt Slay :

> I have a form where in the Form Designer I set MaxWidth = 1400 and Width =
> 1400. I have the options in VFP IDE options set to "Max Design Area" = 1600
> X 1200.
>
> However, every time I open the form in the Form Designer, it resets the
> Width property to 1024.
>
> How can I force VFP to keep the width at the 1400 value so I do not have
> to reset it each time I open the form to edit.
>
>
> *Matt Slay*, President
> Jordan Machine Co.
> 355 Clow Lane
> PO Box 170339
> Birmingham, AL 35217
> Ph: 205-849-5050
> Fx: 205-849-5075
> matts...@jordanmachine.com 
> http://www.JordanMachine.com
>
>
>
>
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RE: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?

[Kurt Wendt]

Ha ha - Gotcha. Although - whereas - VFP was officially shot by a firing squad 
publicly - VB has yet to be publicly Killed! :-)

Regards,
Kurt Wendt
Senior Systems Analyst 


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On 2016-06-20 14:35, Kurt Wendt wrote:
> Seems Many figure VB is on the way out



Where have we heard that before.  


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RE: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?

[mbsoftwaresolutions]

On 2016-06-21 05:00, Dave Crozier wrote:

No, not correct.

There are 3 kinds of people in the world, people who can count and
people who can't

;-)
Dave




That would factor in the NULL folks?  lol

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Re: Form Width property won't persist...

[Fernando D. Bozzo]

Hi Matt:

Occurs only with this form, or with others too?

Have you tryied with another form?



2016-06-21 16:02 GMT+02:00 Matt Slay :

> I have a form where in the Form Designer I set MaxWidth = 1400 and Width =
> 1400. I have the options in VFP IDE options set to "Max Design Area" = 1600
> X 1200.
>
> However, every time I open the form in the Form Designer, it resets the
> Width property to 1024.
>
> How can I force VFP to keep the width at the 1400 value so I do not have
> to reset it each time I open the form to edit.
>
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Re: Form Width property won't persist...

[Peter Cushing]

On 21/06/2016 15:02, Matt Slay wrote:
I have a form where in the Form Designer I set MaxWidth = 1400 and 
Width = 1400. I have the options in VFP IDE options set to "Max Design 
Area" = 1600 X 1200.


However, every time I open the form in the Form Designer, it resets 
the Width property to 1024.


How can I force VFP to keep the width at the 1400 value so I do not 
have to reset it each time I open the form to edit.
Try setting the maximum design area to "None".   On mine it shows 
1600x1200 as the largest size but it's the 1400 > 1200 that is causing 
the problem.


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Re: Form Width property won't persist...

[Fernando D. Bozzo]

Then if problem is only with this form and not other, probably has some
corruption inside.
Convert it to text (sc2) and back to bin.
El 21/6/2016 16:55, "Matt Slay"  escribió:

> I tried that.  No luck... I even restarted VFP to reset everything, but
> still get the same result.
>
> *Matt Slay*, President
> Jordan Machine Co.
> 355 Clow Lane
> PO Box 170339
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>
>
> On 6/21/2016 9:37 AM, Peter Cushing wrote:
>
>> On 21/06/2016 15:02, Matt Slay wrote:
>>
>>> I have a form where in the Form Designer I set MaxWidth = 1400 and Width
>>> = 1400. I have the options in VFP IDE options set to "Max Design Area" =
>>> 1600 X 1200.
>>>
>>> However, every time I open the form in the Form Designer, it resets the
>>> Width property to 1024.
>>>
>>> How can I force VFP to keep the width at the 1400 value so I do not have
>>> to reset it each time I open the form to edit.
>>>
>> Try setting the maximum design area to "None".   On mine it shows
>> 1600x1200 as the largest size but it's the 1400 > 1200 that is causing the
>> problem.
>>
>> Peter
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Re: Form Width property won't persist...

[Matt Slay]

I tried that.  No luck... I even restarted VFP to reset everything, but 
still get the same result.


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On 6/21/2016 9:37 AM, Peter Cushing wrote:

On 21/06/2016 15:02, Matt Slay wrote:
I have a form where in the Form Designer I set MaxWidth = 1400 and 
Width = 1400. I have the options in VFP IDE options set to "Max 
Design Area" = 1600 X 1200.


However, every time I open the form in the Form Designer, it resets 
the Width property to 1024.


How can I force VFP to keep the width at the 1400 value so I do not 
have to reset it each time I open the form to edit.
Try setting the maximum design area to "None".   On mine it shows 
1600x1200 as the largest size but it's the 1400 > 1200 that is causing 
the problem.


Peter


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Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?

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On 21 June 2016 at 15:13, Kurt Wendt  wrote:
> Ha ha - Gotcha. Although - whereas - VFP was officially shot by a firing 
> squad publicly - VB has yet to be publicly Killed! :-)

VB was killed about a year after Fox.  VB.NET is nothing like VB.

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Re: [NF] Which Programming Language Should I Learn?

[Stephen Russell]

I'll take a white one please.



On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 6:10 AM, Allen  wrote:

> Good advice JM
> Al
>
> -Original Message- From: Jean Laeremans Sent: Tuesday, June 21,
> 2016 1:00 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Which Programming
> Language Should I Learn?
> Better leave those 'Wurst' alone Al
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Re: Form Width property won't persist...

[Matt Slay]

/>>//Then if problem is only with this form and not other, probably has 
some//corruption inside./


Ah-hah... I've learned that forms based on the VFP base form class will 
retain their width setting.


It's only the forms in my app that are based on my form class that will 
not retain the Width value.


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On 6/21/2016 9:59 AM, Fernando D. Bozzo wrote:

Then if problem is only with this form and not other, probably has some
corruption inside.
Convert it to text (sc2) and back to bin.
El 21/6/2016 16:55, "Matt Slay"  escribió:


I tried that.  No luck... I even restarted VFP to reset everything, but
still get the same result.

*Matt Slay*, President
Jordan Machine Co.
355 Clow Lane
PO Box 170339
Birmingham, AL 35217
Ph: 205-849-5050
Fx: 205-849-5075
matts...@jordanmachine.com 
http://www.JordanMachine.com



On 6/21/2016 9:37 AM, Peter Cushing wrote:


On 21/06/2016 15:02, Matt Slay wrote:


I have a form where in the Form Designer I set MaxWidth = 1400 and Width
= 1400. I have the options in VFP IDE options set to "Max Design Area" =
1600 X 1200.

However, every time I open the form in the Form Designer, it resets the
Width property to 1024.

How can I force VFP to keep the width at the 1400 value so I do not have
to reset it each time I open the form to edit.


Try setting the maximum design area to "None".   On mine it shows
1600x1200 as the largest size but it's the 1400 > 1200 that is causing the
problem.

Peter


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RE: [NF] Linux SMTP/POP Servers?

[Ken Dibble]

Thank you very much, Dave. This looks very interesting.

Ken


iRedmail, small reliable, scalable and most of all totally free!

Dave


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Subject: [NF] Linux SMTP/POP Servers?

We've been running an internal email system that is built into the 
ClearOS operating system (a version of CentOS that functions as a 
SAMBA 3 domain controller) for many years. Along with the ClearOS 
SMTP/POP server, we've been running MailMan on the same machine to 
provide an internal listserv capability. Unfortunately, I'm going to 
have to discard ClearOS and go with a Windows AD domain server. I 
want to preserve the internal email and listserve functionality, and 
I want to run it on one of my new Linux Synology NAS clones.


There are a bazillion options for replacements and I don't have any 
reliable basis on which to evaluate them.


Do any of you have recommendations for Linux SMTP/POP server 
software that would be suitable for running an internal email system?


By "suitable for running an internal email system" I mean:

1. The system will not/cannot/must not communicate with, or be seen 
from, the internet.


The ClearOS SMTP/POP server is configured to only accept, and send, 
email within its own domain (though this may be achieved by tweaking 
Linux ports rather than directly within the email server, given the 
information provided in the next paragraph, I don't know). The host 
machine is behind a NATing router that does not have any open ports 
for email. I need an email server that can be configured in the same way.


Related to this, I would prefer the ability to configure how the 
SMTP server responds to invalid input, including messages addressed 
to the internet or to invalid internal addresses. The ClearOS server 
tries to send these several times, at increasingly long intervals, 
so that it takes 3 or more days to put out a bounce-back message, 
and this configuration can't be changed. I would rather that 
bounce-backs take place immediately.


2. Must provide all standard POP3 functionality (thank you, but I am 
not looking for an explanation of why I should use IMAP instead), 
including the ability to communicate with a fat Windows email client 
that will sometimes tell it to retain email on the server for a period of time.


3. Free as in beer, preferably, but if not an option, then I would 
be willing to pay a reasonable one-time license fee, not based on 
the number of email accounts, for perpetual use. I am not willing to 
pay for a "software as service" arrangement.


4. Because it is an internal server with no connection to the 
internet, it does not have to have all of the high-paranoia-level 
security features that an internet email server needs. I will cope 
with it if it does not pemit plain text authentication, but plain 
text authentication is perfectly adequate and completely safe for my purposes.


5. It doesn't have to have any built-in spam filtering.

The current CentOS SMTP/POP server has annoying spam filtering 
features that are buggy and can't be turned off. For example, zip 
file attachments (and sometimes docx and xlsx attachments, which are 
just zip files) go missing, and it can choke on other unusual file 
attachments. None of this nonsense is necessary and I would prefer 
for nothing to be built-in that filters spam or messes with 
attachments. If any such thing is built-in, it needs to be able to 
be turned off, and stay off.


6. If it doesn't integrate true listserv capabilities (no fudging 
with "aliases" or numerically-limited forwarding lists) like those 
of MailMan, then it needs to be compatible with MailMan.


7. Traffic requirements: I don't know much about what sort of 
resources a Linux SMTP/POP server requires. Currently we have about
120 email accounts, each with a 1 GB mailbox on the server, and the 
NAS will accommodate that without even blinking. Conceivably someday 
we could be looking at more like 250 accounts. To the extent to 
which that affects speed/responsiveness, then that's a consideration.


8. Easy to set up and configure, and if not, then EXTREMELY well- 
and reliably-documented.


9. Probably not an option, but, since I want an integrated 
SMTP/POP server, then, for the sake of the Mother of All that is 
Good, would it be too much to ask for an integrated validation 
system in which, just for laughs, the SMTP server simply compares 
the sender's address to the POP server's list of valid accounts for 
that domain to determine whether or not to accept and relay an 
incoming message, instead of performing bollocks-oriented "test 
sends" back to the user that will fail if the user's inbox, the 
state of which bears no rational relationship to the person's 
authorization, ability, or need, to use the SMTP server to SEND 
email, is full, and calling it "validation", which it is, 
emphatically, NOT?


Thanks for all

Re: Running Windows 7 32-bit on a new Windows 10 machine.

[Michael Madigan]

Thank you for all the responses




From: Man-wai Chang 
To: ProFox Email List  
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: Running Windows 7 32-bit on a new Windows 10 machine.


Check the drivers section in the webpage of that new machine?

I think most hardware manufacturers are still providing Win 7 drivers.

Though 64-bit Window$ won't run 16-bit programs, you might consider
using virtual machines or DOSbox to run them.


On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Michael Madigan  wrote:
> Can i load a copy of Windows 7 32-bit on a new machine and have it reasonably 
> likely to load?
> I have an old legacy Fox 2.6 program that would be way  too expensive to 
> convert to Foxpro 9.0.

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VFP Undocumented functions/clauses

[Bill Anderson]

Folks,

FWIW, I added a bunch of undocumented clauses and functions on the Fox Wiki
pages (after the Wiki being offline for about 4 days).

I'm just providing some more material for Ted's HackFox update ;)

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