Re: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

2019-12-17 Thread Johan Nel

Thanks Ed!

On 2019/12/17 19:22, Ed Leafe wrote:

On Dec 17, 2019, at 04:18, Koen Piller  wrote:

These messages are appropriate for a FoxPro audience, and are thus appropriate 
here. They are correctly labeled with [NF], since it is not about Fox per se. 
If I had a product that might be of use to FoxPro developers, I would be sure 
to post about it in every relevant forum.

And, as others have pointed out, it’s a simple matter to create a filter, or 
you can do what I do: press the Delete key.

-- Ed Leafe



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Re: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

2019-12-17 Thread Ted Roche
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 4:55 PM Ricardo Araoz  wrote:

>
> Cool
> So now I may post about Argentine's politics in this forum... and in
> Spanish!
>

Yes, you may as long as you include [OT] in the subject line. You have
always been able to do that.


> You may use a filter if you're not interested, and besides, why should I
> have to change my stuff to save the FOX list people time?


That is EXACTLY what [OT] is for, and I hope you enjoy it. I do use a
filter, and won't see your posts, sorry.


> I always held
> the view that the TOPIC of the list should be meaningless. Don't you
> think so?
>
> (should I declare the irony or you people are smart enough to notice it?)
>

Perhaps we should have  a flag for [IRONY] and [HUMOR] and [SARCASM] too?

;)

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Re: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

2019-12-17 Thread Kurt at VR-FX
Normally - the phrase is "Bad Steve"! But, now I have to say - Bad Mike! 
Careful, your CBD oil comment may drag this thread into the Very depths 
of the Forbidden Off-Topic Realm!!!


:-)

-K-

On 12/17/2019 7:20 AM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
Btw, this is a good time to hock my CBD oil for those of you who need 
to chill out.  Sheesh.  LOL


babs4cbd.com -- 60 day money back guarantee!   :D


On 12/17/2019 10:11 AM, Vince Teachout wrote:

On 12/17/19 7:42 AM, Koen Piller wrote:

Hi,
Correct,however if the #X would open an own email service, one can 
decide

to accept that or not, now I am 'forced' to read those messages several
times.


As other's have pointed out, a quick filter solves that problem 
entirely.  And nobody is 'forcing' you to read anything.



Save me the time please.


Why should OTHERS have to change their stuff to save YOU time?


If I like to participate to several forums that is my decision but that
does not mean that I am pleased to read the same message about #X on 
every

forum.


You need not be pleased, that is your right.  Just set a filter. If 
I've offended you, just set a filter on me as well.







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Re: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

2019-12-17 Thread Ed Leafe
On Dec 17, 2019, at 15:54, Ricardo Araoz  wrote:
> 
> So now I may post about Argentine's politics in this forum... and in Spanish!

Sure! Just remember to label it with [OT].


-- Ed Leafe







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Re: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

2019-12-17 Thread Ricardo Araoz


On 17/12/19 12:11, Vince Teachout wrote:

On 12/17/19 7:42 AM, Koen Piller wrote:

Hi,
Correct,however if the #X would open an own email service, one can 
decide

to accept that or not, now I am 'forced' to read those messages several
times.


As other's have pointed out, a quick filter solves that problem 
entirely.  And nobody is 'forcing' you to read anything.



Save me the time please.

!
Why should OTHERS have to change their stuff to save YOU time?



Cool
So now I may post about Argentine's politics in this forum... and in 
Spanish!
You may use a filter if you're not interested, and besides, why should I 
have to change my stuff to save the FOX list people time? I always held 
the view that the TOPIC of the list should be meaningless. Don't you 
think so?


(should I declare the irony or you people are smart enough to notice it?)



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RE: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives

2019-12-17 Thread Carl Lindner
It is somehow tied to Log Me In.  The pro version is much more robust at twice 
the price.  I use the Lite for demo presentations and support.

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Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 3:22 PM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives

I recall the name from a decade ago.  I think I used to use them at one 
point.  Can't recall why I dumped them (but it was a legitimate reason, 
if memory serves me right).


On 12/17/2019 11:28 AM, Carl Lindner wrote:
> Mike,
>
> I pay $120/year for join.me light.  https://www.join.me/pricing  - limited to 
> 5 participants.  Easy and works well.
>
> Carl
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of MB Software 
> Solutions, LLC
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 9:52 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives
>
> I bought a TeamViewer (TV) license a few years back and it's the
> purchased one-and-done lifetime license.  TeamViewer's business model
> has changed and they've been pushing annual licenses now for over a
> year.  I like my TV license and it works great for me; I don't see the
> need to upgrade to the latest.  That said, I wondered if others are
> using another tool they enjoy and isn't expensive.  Prior to TV, I used
> to use LogMeIn (LMI) but then their licensing prices went up too.
>
> What's your current remote support tool of choice (other than UltraVNC
> etc.  I wasn't a fan of VNC as YES, IT WORKED, but it wasn't as easy and
> user-friendly as TV or LMI.  My clients on the other end of the support
> connection are NOT tech folks.  I needed it to be super simple and
> that's what TV/LMI gave me.
>
> tia,
> --Mike
>
>
>
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RE: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives

2019-12-17 Thread Richard Kaye
Owned by LogMeIn. Who announced today they have been purchased by a private 
equity group which is taking the company private.

If file transfer is a critical component to your remote support needs, I still 
think LogMeIn is the superior product. I realize that the rather abrupt way LMI 
went from mostly free to a pay only model left a bad taste in a lot of people's 
mouths, you get what you pay for, imo. If free is the most important thing then 
VNC. 

--

rk

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I recall the name from a decade ago.  I think I used to use them at one point.  
Can't recall why I dumped them (but it was a legitimate reason, if memory 
serves me right).


On 12/17/2019 11:28 AM, Carl Lindner wrote:
> Mike,
>
> I pay $120/year for join.me light.  https://www.join.me/pricing  - limited to 
> 5 participants.  Easy and works well.
>
> Carl
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of MB 
> Software Solutions, LLC
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 9:52 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives
>
> I bought a TeamViewer (TV) license a few years back and it's the 
> purchased one-and-done lifetime license.  TeamViewer's business model 
> has changed and they've been pushing annual licenses now for over a 
> year.  I like my TV license and it works great for me; I don't see the 
> need to upgrade to the latest.  That said, I wondered if others are 
> using another tool they enjoy and isn't expensive.  Prior to TV, I 
> used to use LogMeIn (LMI) but then their licensing prices went up too.
>
> What's your current remote support tool of choice (other than UltraVNC 
> etc.  I wasn't a fan of VNC as YES, IT WORKED, but it wasn't as easy 
> and user-friendly as TV or LMI.  My clients on the other end of the 
> support connection are NOT tech folks.  I needed it to be super simple 
> and that's what TV/LMI gave me.
>
> tia,
> --Mike
>
>
>
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Re: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives

2019-12-17 Thread Eric Selje
I just use the built in Windows 10 Quick Assist, but
* It doesn't allow unattended connection, and
* User must type in elevated credentials if necessary

So it might not be for everyone. We use Kace Endpoint Manager now so the
2nd point isn't so bad.

Eric


On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 2:21 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC <
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:

> I recall the name from a decade ago.  I think I used to use them at one
> point.  Can't recall why I dumped them (but it was a legitimate reason,
> if memory serves me right).
>
>
> On 12/17/2019 11:28 AM, Carl Lindner wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > I pay $120/year for join.me light.  https://www.join.me/pricing  -
> limited to 5 participants.  Easy and works well.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of MB Software
> Solutions, LLC
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 9:52 AM
> > To: ProFox Email List
> > Subject: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives
> >
> > I bought a TeamViewer (TV) license a few years back and it's the
> > purchased one-and-done lifetime license.  TeamViewer's business model
> > has changed and they've been pushing annual licenses now for over a
> > year.  I like my TV license and it works great for me; I don't see the
> > need to upgrade to the latest.  That said, I wondered if others are
> > using another tool they enjoy and isn't expensive.  Prior to TV, I used
> > to use LogMeIn (LMI) but then their licensing prices went up too.
> >
> > What's your current remote support tool of choice (other than UltraVNC
> > etc.  I wasn't a fan of VNC as YES, IT WORKED, but it wasn't as easy and
> > user-friendly as TV or LMI.  My clients on the other end of the support
> > connection are NOT tech folks.  I needed it to be super simple and
> > that's what TV/LMI gave me.
> >
> > tia,
> > --Mike
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives

2019-12-17 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
I recall the name from a decade ago.  I think I used to use them at one 
point.  Can't recall why I dumped them (but it was a legitimate reason, 
if memory serves me right).



On 12/17/2019 11:28 AM, Carl Lindner wrote:

Mike,

I pay $120/year for join.me light.  https://www.join.me/pricing  - limited to 5 
participants.  Easy and works well.

Carl

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 9:52 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives

I bought a TeamViewer (TV) license a few years back and it's the
purchased one-and-done lifetime license.  TeamViewer's business model
has changed and they've been pushing annual licenses now for over a
year.  I like my TV license and it works great for me; I don't see the
need to upgrade to the latest.  That said, I wondered if others are
using another tool they enjoy and isn't expensive.  Prior to TV, I used
to use LogMeIn (LMI) but then their licensing prices went up too.

What's your current remote support tool of choice (other than UltraVNC
etc.  I wasn't a fan of VNC as YES, IT WORKED, but it wasn't as easy and
user-friendly as TV or LMI.  My clients on the other end of the support
connection are NOT tech folks.  I needed it to be super simple and
that's what TV/LMI gave me.

tia,
--Mike




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Re: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives

2019-12-17 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
Roger -- I think (no, I KNOW) the new TeamViewer mgmt approach is to 
lock us out to try and get us to upgrade.  I tell you...sometimes it 
seems very shady.  Then the TV people send you the automated email 
saying something like "you were trying to access another session but 
your license only allows you to do 1 at a time" (or something like 
that)which is CRAP, imo, because before they changed to the annual 
subscription model, I was able to open sessions to different clients 
simultaneously without issue.  Again...shady, imo.


As such, they're pissing me off to the point I'm considering dumping 
them...but alas, I haven't yet because, well, I already paid for this 
perpetual license!  :D



On 12/17/2019 11:18 AM, roger tremblay wrote:
I have used TV for some time now however lately it is locking me out 
from some clients.  I have also been searching for an alternative, I 
have found Cloud Berry and it seems to work without having the clients 
do dances to get it to run.  If anyone has a better solution please 
let me know.


thanks in advance.

On 12/17/2019 9:52 AM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
I bought a TeamViewer (TV) license a few years back and it's the 
purchased one-and-done lifetime license.  TeamViewer's business model 
has changed and they've been pushing annual licenses now for over a 
year.  I like my TV license and it works great for me; I don't see 
the need to upgrade to the latest.  That said, I wondered if others 
are using another tool they enjoy and isn't expensive.  Prior to TV, 
I used to use LogMeIn (LMI) but then their licensing prices went up too.


What's your current remote support tool of choice (other than 
UltraVNC etc.  I wasn't a fan of VNC as YES, IT WORKED, but it wasn't 
as easy and user-friendly as TV or LMI.  My clients on the other end 
of the support connection are NOT tech folks.  I needed it to be 
super simple and that's what TV/LMI gave me.


tia,
--Mike




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Re: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives

2019-12-17 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
My IT support side colleague (for general computer/IT and network 
support) uses Splashtop and it is quite easy to use.  Our clients have 
it installed so that we can quickly access their computers. For my MBSS 
apps customers (and prospects), I don't know that they'd want to install 
Splashtop; as such, the TV "quick support" app works great for that.  
Does Splashtop have such a quick, one-time use kind of approach too?



On 12/17/2019 11:17 AM, CCTbySteveGraves wrote:

I'm pretty pleased with Splashtop ( Which I learned about on this list)

.. Steve in central Florida

On Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 10:38 AM Jürgen Wondzinski 
wrote:


Hi Mike,

Same problems with TeamViewer at my side. Nozt only got it very expensive,
the product grew to a moloch with lots of useless features (at least for
me).

I'm now using www.AnyDesk.com, which is much less expensive, less
cluttered and just works.

wOOdy


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: ProFox  Im Auftrag von MB Software
Solutions, LLC
Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Dezember 2019 15:52
An: ProFox Email List 
Betreff: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives

I bought a TeamViewer (TV) license a few years back and it's the purchased
one-and-done lifetime license.  TeamViewer's business model has changed and
they've been pushing annual licenses now for over a year.  I like my TV
license and it works great for me; I don't see the need to upgrade to the
latest.  That said, I wondered if others are using another tool they enjoy
and isn't expensive.  Prior to TV, I used to use LogMeIn (LMI) but then
their licensing prices went up too.

What's your current remote support tool of choice (other than UltraVNC
etc.  I wasn't a fan of VNC as YES, IT WORKED, but it wasn't as easy and
user-friendly as TV or LMI.  My clients on the other end of the support
connection are NOT tech folks.  I needed it to be super simple and that's
what TV/LMI gave me.

tia,
--Mike




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Re: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

2019-12-17 Thread Jean Laeremans
+1

Op di 17 dec. 2019 18:22 schreef Ed Leafe :

> On Dec 17, 2019, at 04:18, Koen Piller  wrote:
> >
> > I would appreciate if you would stop hitchhike your messages on other
> > forums.
> > I have now received for the third time a message that a new version is
> > launched, I strongly advise you to open a mailservice dedicated to X# and
> > leave Foxite, Level Extreme, ProFox, TekTips (did I forget one) alone.
>
> These messages are appropriate for a FoxPro audience, and are thus
> appropriate here. They are correctly labeled with [NF], since it is not
> about Fox per se. If I had a product that might be of use to FoxPro
> developers, I would be sure to post about it in every relevant forum.
>
> And, as others have pointed out, it’s a simple matter to create a filter,
> or you can do what I do: press the Delete key.
>
> -- Ed Leafe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives

2019-12-17 Thread Paul H. Tarver
Steve,

I switched from GoToMyPC (price doubled after the company was sold) to 
Splashtop for remote access to my office computers and I couldn't be happier. 

I haven't used their remote support tools as I'm still using GoToAssist, but if 
the cost of my license for this jumps as well I'll be looking. 

Are you using the Splashtop SOS tools? Do you have a lot of unattended 
computers setup? 

Thanks!

PS: For emergencies there is always AnyDesk.com

Paul H. Tarver


-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of 
CCTbySteveGraves
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 10:18 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives

I'm pretty pleased with Splashtop ( Which I learned about on this list)

.. Steve in central Florida

On Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 10:38 AM Jürgen Wondzinski 
wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> Same problems with TeamViewer at my side. Nozt only got it very expensive,
> the product grew to a moloch with lots of useless features (at least for
> me).
>
> I'm now using www.AnyDesk.com, which is much less expensive, less
> cluttered and just works.
>
> wOOdy
>
>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: ProFox  Im Auftrag von MB Software
> Solutions, LLC
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Dezember 2019 15:52
> An: ProFox Email List 
> Betreff: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives
>
> I bought a TeamViewer (TV) license a few years back and it's the purchased
> one-and-done lifetime license.  TeamViewer's business model has changed and
> they've been pushing annual licenses now for over a year.  I like my TV
> license and it works great for me; I don't see the need to upgrade to the
> latest.  That said, I wondered if others are using another tool they enjoy
> and isn't expensive.  Prior to TV, I used to use LogMeIn (LMI) but then
> their licensing prices went up too.
>
> What's your current remote support tool of choice (other than UltraVNC
> etc.  I wasn't a fan of VNC as YES, IT WORKED, but it wasn't as easy and
> user-friendly as TV or LMI.  My clients on the other end of the support
> connection are NOT tech folks.  I needed it to be super simple and that's
> what TV/LMI gave me.
>
> tia,
> --Mike
>
>
>
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Re: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

2019-12-17 Thread Ed Leafe
On Dec 17, 2019, at 04:18, Koen Piller  wrote:
> 
> I would appreciate if you would stop hitchhike your messages on other
> forums.
> I have now received for the third time a message that a new version is
> launched, I strongly advise you to open a mailservice dedicated to X# and
> leave Foxite, Level Extreme, ProFox, TekTips (did I forget one) alone.

These messages are appropriate for a FoxPro audience, and are thus appropriate 
here. They are correctly labeled with [NF], since it is not about Fox per se. 
If I had a product that might be of use to FoxPro developers, I would be sure 
to post about it in every relevant forum.

And, as others have pointed out, it’s a simple matter to create a filter, or 
you can do what I do: press the Delete key.

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Re: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

2019-12-17 Thread AndyHC

-1
On 17-Dec-2019 3:48 PM, Koen Piller wrote:

John,

I would appreciate if you would stop hitchhike your messages on other
forums.
I have now received for the third time a message that a new version is
launched, I strongly advise you to open a mailservice dedicated to X# and
leave Foxite, Level Extreme, ProFox, TekTips (did I forget one) alone.
Thanks,

Koen

Op di 17 dec. 2019 om 02:33 schreef Johan Nel :


Hi All,

Just a short note that the latest X# Bandol 2.2 was also released into
the public domain.

https://xsharp.info

Johan Nel
George, South Africa.



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RE: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives

2019-12-17 Thread Carl Lindner
Mike,

I pay $120/year for join.me light.  https://www.join.me/pricing  - limited to 5 
participants.  Easy and works well.

Carl

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I bought a TeamViewer (TV) license a few years back and it's the 
purchased one-and-done lifetime license.  TeamViewer's business model 
has changed and they've been pushing annual licenses now for over a 
year.  I like my TV license and it works great for me; I don't see the 
need to upgrade to the latest.  That said, I wondered if others are 
using another tool they enjoy and isn't expensive.  Prior to TV, I used 
to use LogMeIn (LMI) but then their licensing prices went up too.

What's your current remote support tool of choice (other than UltraVNC 
etc.  I wasn't a fan of VNC as YES, IT WORKED, but it wasn't as easy and 
user-friendly as TV or LMI.  My clients on the other end of the support 
connection are NOT tech folks.  I needed it to be super simple and 
that's what TV/LMI gave me.

tia,
--Mike



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Re: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives

2019-12-17 Thread CCTbySteveGraves
I'm pretty pleased with Splashtop ( Which I learned about on this list)

.. Steve in central Florida

On Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 10:38 AM Jürgen Wondzinski 
wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> Same problems with TeamViewer at my side. Nozt only got it very expensive,
> the product grew to a moloch with lots of useless features (at least for
> me).
>
> I'm now using www.AnyDesk.com, which is much less expensive, less
> cluttered and just works.
>
> wOOdy
>
>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: ProFox  Im Auftrag von MB Software
> Solutions, LLC
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Dezember 2019 15:52
> An: ProFox Email List 
> Betreff: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives
>
> I bought a TeamViewer (TV) license a few years back and it's the purchased
> one-and-done lifetime license.  TeamViewer's business model has changed and
> they've been pushing annual licenses now for over a year.  I like my TV
> license and it works great for me; I don't see the need to upgrade to the
> latest.  That said, I wondered if others are using another tool they enjoy
> and isn't expensive.  Prior to TV, I used to use LogMeIn (LMI) but then
> their licensing prices went up too.
>
> What's your current remote support tool of choice (other than UltraVNC
> etc.  I wasn't a fan of VNC as YES, IT WORKED, but it wasn't as easy and
> user-friendly as TV or LMI.  My clients on the other end of the support
> connection are NOT tech folks.  I needed it to be super simple and that's
> what TV/LMI gave me.
>
> tia,
> --Mike
>
>
>
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Re: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives

2019-12-17 Thread roger tremblay
I have used TV for some time now however lately it is locking me out 
from some clients.  I have also been searching for an alternative, I 
have found Cloud Berry and it seems to work without having the clients 
do dances to get it to run.  If anyone has a better solution please let 
me know.


thanks in advance.

On 12/17/2019 9:52 AM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
I bought a TeamViewer (TV) license a few years back and it's the 
purchased one-and-done lifetime license.  TeamViewer's business model 
has changed and they've been pushing annual licenses now for over a 
year.  I like my TV license and it works great for me; I don't see the 
need to upgrade to the latest.  That said, I wondered if others are 
using another tool they enjoy and isn't expensive.  Prior to TV, I 
used to use LogMeIn (LMI) but then their licensing prices went up too.


What's your current remote support tool of choice (other than UltraVNC 
etc.  I wasn't a fan of VNC as YES, IT WORKED, but it wasn't as easy 
and user-friendly as TV or LMI.  My clients on the other end of the 
support connection are NOT tech folks.  I needed it to be super simple 
and that's what TV/LMI gave me.


tia,
--Mike




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Re: Twilight zone moment for textbox value being different than what it's controlsource evaluates to

2019-12-17 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
Thanks so much, Ted.  This was solved with a simple thisform.refresh in 
my thisform.Show event.  Can't get any easier than that.


Admittedly, I never liked InteractiveChange so I rarely ever use it if I 
can avoid it, and in my 20+ years of the Fox, I've not used 
ProgrammaticChange but I could see me doing that at some point perhaps.


Merry Kwanstmasukah or Festivus season, whichever suits you!


On 12/17/2019 9:22 AM, Ted Roche wrote:

There are a lot of times that the Value of a textbox is different from its
underlying ControlSource. If the control has the focus and the Value is
updated, either programmatically or interactively, the Control's Value has
not been run through the Valid() method and could be different, even
invalid, without affecting the ControlSource. This is a feature, not a bug,
we use in InteractiveChange() or ProgrammaticChange() to react to changes
in Value without affecting the underlying data. Then, there's the whole
discussion of buffering.

So, perhaps you can tell us a little bit more of the context of when this
happens.

If you can't reproduce it in a simple example, then it is something with
your code, environment or framework, and that's kinda hard for us to guess.



On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 5:34 AM MB Software Solutions, LLC <
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:


See https://www.screencast.com/t/mQEK40Tqp.

I don't understand how the thisform.txtDraftingRate.Value is not equal
to 1 as well?  Causing a bug in my code at the moment.

tia,
--Michael




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AW: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives

2019-12-17 Thread Jürgen Wondzinski
Hi Mike,

Same problems with TeamViewer at my side. Nozt only got it very expensive, the 
product grew to a moloch with lots of useless features (at least for me).

I'm now using www.AnyDesk.com, which is much less expensive, less cluttered and 
just works.

wOOdy


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Von: ProFox  Im Auftrag von MB Software Solutions, LLC
Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Dezember 2019 15:52
An: ProFox Email List 
Betreff: [NF] TeamViewer alternatives

I bought a TeamViewer (TV) license a few years back and it's the purchased 
one-and-done lifetime license.  TeamViewer's business model has changed and 
they've been pushing annual licenses now for over a year.  I like my TV license 
and it works great for me; I don't see the need to upgrade to the latest.  That 
said, I wondered if others are using another tool they enjoy and isn't 
expensive.  Prior to TV, I used to use LogMeIn (LMI) but then their licensing 
prices went up too.

What's your current remote support tool of choice (other than UltraVNC etc.  I 
wasn't a fan of VNC as YES, IT WORKED, but it wasn't as easy and user-friendly 
as TV or LMI.  My clients on the other end of the support connection are NOT 
tech folks.  I needed it to be super simple and that's what TV/LMI gave me.

tia,
--Mike



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Re: Twilight zone moment for textbox value being different than what it's controlsource evaluates to

2019-12-17 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
Sorry for the brevity.  Will expand later if some more workaround 
attempts fail.  I do appreciate everyone's 2 cents, regardless. Thank you!



On 12/17/2019 9:22 AM, Ted Roche wrote:

There are a lot of times that the Value of a textbox is different from its
underlying ControlSource. If the control has the focus and the Value is
updated, either programmatically or interactively, the Control's Value has
not been run through the Valid() method and could be different, even
invalid, without affecting the ControlSource. This is a feature, not a bug,
we use in InteractiveChange() or ProgrammaticChange() to react to changes
in Value without affecting the underlying data. Then, there's the whole
discussion of buffering.

So, perhaps you can tell us a little bit more of the context of when this
happens.

If you can't reproduce it in a simple example, then it is something with
your code, environment or framework, and that's kinda hard for us to guess.



On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 5:34 AM MB Software Solutions, LLC <
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:


See https://www.screencast.com/t/mQEK40Tqp.

I don't understand how the thisform.txtDraftingRate.Value is not equal
to 1 as well?  Causing a bug in my code at the moment.

tia,
--Michael




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Re: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

2019-12-17 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
Btw, this is a good time to hock my CBD oil for those of you who need to 
chill out.  Sheesh.  LOL


babs4cbd.com -- 60 day money back guarantee!   :D


On 12/17/2019 10:11 AM, Vince Teachout wrote:

On 12/17/19 7:42 AM, Koen Piller wrote:

Hi,
Correct,however if the #X would open an own email service, one can 
decide

to accept that or not, now I am 'forced' to read those messages several
times.


As other's have pointed out, a quick filter solves that problem 
entirely.  And nobody is 'forcing' you to read anything.



Save me the time please.


Why should OTHERS have to change their stuff to save YOU time?


If I like to participate to several forums that is my decision but that
does not mean that I am pleased to read the same message about #X on 
every

forum.


You need not be pleased, that is your right.  Just set a filter. If 
I've offended you, just set a filter on me as well.







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Re: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

2019-12-17 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

+1

On 12/17/2019 8:03 AM, Richard Kaye wrote:

Thanks for the notification, Johan. 😊

--

rk

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Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 8:32 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

Hi All,

Just a short note that the latest X# Bandol 2.2 was also released into the 
public domain.

https://xsharp.info

Johan Nel
George, South Africa.


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Re: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

2019-12-17 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
I'm with Charlie.  This is the only Fox list I subscribe to, so if I 
don't see it here, I don't see it at all.  Just add a rule, Koen, as 
Charlie described.  Problem solved.



On 12/17/2019 6:54 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote:

I, on the other hand, do not subscribe to many other forums, so I much
appreciate the notices.

Since this is an 'email list' I expect to receive many 'notice' kinds of
emails and many repeating emails on a given topic.

If you know you're getting your info regarding X# from other sources, a
quick email rule could automatically drop all the X# messages here.

I try to go look at the X# site every now and then, and I am 'signed up' on
it (I think). But with work as it is I can't regularly visit all the sites
that interest me. So the occasional pings here are nice.

-Charlie

On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 5:19 AM Koen Piller  wrote:


John,

I would appreciate if you would stop hitchhike your messages on other
forums.
I have now received for the third time a message that a new version is
launched, I strongly advise you to open a mailservice dedicated to X# and
leave Foxite, Level Extreme, ProFox, TekTips (did I forget one) alone.
Thanks,

Koen

Op di 17 dec. 2019 om 02:33 schreef Johan Nel :


Hi All,

Just a short note that the latest X# Bandol 2.2 was also released into
the public domain.

https://xsharp.info

Johan Nel
George, South Africa.



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Re: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

2019-12-17 Thread Vince Teachout

On 12/17/19 7:42 AM, Koen Piller wrote:

Hi,
Correct,however if the #X would open an own email service, one can decide
to accept that or not, now I am 'forced' to read those messages several
times.


As other's have pointed out, a quick filter solves that problem 
entirely.  And nobody is 'forcing' you to read anything.



Save me the time please.


Why should OTHERS have to change their stuff to save YOU time?


If I like to participate to several forums that is my decision but that
does not mean that I am pleased to read the same message about #X on every
forum.


You need not be pleased, that is your right.  Just set a filter. If I've 
offended you, just set a filter on me as well.






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[NF] TeamViewer alternatives

2019-12-17 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
I bought a TeamViewer (TV) license a few years back and it's the 
purchased one-and-done lifetime license.  TeamViewer's business model 
has changed and they've been pushing annual licenses now for over a 
year.  I like my TV license and it works great for me; I don't see the 
need to upgrade to the latest.  That said, I wondered if others are 
using another tool they enjoy and isn't expensive.  Prior to TV, I used 
to use LogMeIn (LMI) but then their licensing prices went up too.


What's your current remote support tool of choice (other than UltraVNC 
etc.  I wasn't a fan of VNC as YES, IT WORKED, but it wasn't as easy and 
user-friendly as TV or LMI.  My clients on the other end of the support 
connection are NOT tech folks.  I needed it to be super simple and 
that's what TV/LMI gave me.


tia,
--Mike



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Re: Twilight zone moment for textbox value being different than what it's controlsource evaluates to

2019-12-17 Thread Ted Roche
There are a lot of times that the Value of a textbox is different from its
underlying ControlSource. If the control has the focus and the Value is
updated, either programmatically or interactively, the Control's Value has
not been run through the Valid() method and could be different, even
invalid, without affecting the ControlSource. This is a feature, not a bug,
we use in InteractiveChange() or ProgrammaticChange() to react to changes
in Value without affecting the underlying data. Then, there's the whole
discussion of buffering.

So, perhaps you can tell us a little bit more of the context of when this
happens.

If you can't reproduce it in a simple example, then it is something with
your code, environment or framework, and that's kinda hard for us to guess.



On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 5:34 AM MB Software Solutions, LLC <
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:

> See https://www.screencast.com/t/mQEK40Tqp.
>
> I don't understand how the thisform.txtDraftingRate.Value is not equal
> to 1 as well?  Causing a bug in my code at the moment.
>
> tia,
> --Michael
>
>
>
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RE: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

2019-12-17 Thread Richard Kaye
Thanks for the notification, Johan. 😊

--

rk

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To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

Hi All,

Just a short note that the latest X# Bandol 2.2 was also released into the 
public domain.

https://xsharp.info

Johan Nel
George, South Africa.

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RE: Twilight zone moment for textbox value being different than what it's controlsource evaluates to

2019-12-17 Thread Richard Kaye
What do you see in the property sheet when editing the form, Mike?

Set a breakpoint on that control value and run your form object.

--

rk

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Subject: Twilight zone moment for textbox value being different than what it's 
controlsource evaluates to

See https://www.screencast.com/t/mQEK40Tqp.

I don't understand how the thisform.txtDraftingRate.Value is not equal to 1 as 
well?  Causing a bug in my code at the moment.

tia,
--Michael

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Re: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

2019-12-17 Thread Koen Piller
Hi,
Correct,however if the #X would open an own email service, one can decide
to accept that or not, now I am 'forced' to read those messages several
times. Save me the time please.
If I like to participate to several forums that is my decision but that
does not mean that I am pleased to read the same message about #X on every
forum.
Regards,
Koen


Op di 17 dec. 2019 om 12:55 schreef Charlie Coleman :

> I, on the other hand, do not subscribe to many other forums, so I much
> appreciate the notices.
>
> Since this is an 'email list' I expect to receive many 'notice' kinds of
> emails and many repeating emails on a given topic.
>
> If you know you're getting your info regarding X# from other sources, a
> quick email rule could automatically drop all the X# messages here.
>
> I try to go look at the X# site every now and then, and I am 'signed up' on
> it (I think). But with work as it is I can't regularly visit all the sites
> that interest me. So the occasional pings here are nice.
>
> -Charlie
>
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 5:19 AM Koen Piller  wrote:
>
> > John,
> >
> > I would appreciate if you would stop hitchhike your messages on other
> > forums.
> > I have now received for the third time a message that a new version is
> > launched, I strongly advise you to open a mailservice dedicated to X# and
> > leave Foxite, Level Extreme, ProFox, TekTips (did I forget one) alone.
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Koen
> >
> > Op di 17 dec. 2019 om 02:33 schreef Johan Nel :
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Just a short note that the latest X# Bandol 2.2 was also released into
> > > the public domain.
> > >
> > > https://xsharp.info
> > >
> > > Johan Nel
> > > George, South Africa.
> > >
> > >
[excessive quoting removed by server]

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Re: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

2019-12-17 Thread Charlie Coleman
I, on the other hand, do not subscribe to many other forums, so I much
appreciate the notices.

Since this is an 'email list' I expect to receive many 'notice' kinds of
emails and many repeating emails on a given topic.

If you know you're getting your info regarding X# from other sources, a
quick email rule could automatically drop all the X# messages here.

I try to go look at the X# site every now and then, and I am 'signed up' on
it (I think). But with work as it is I can't regularly visit all the sites
that interest me. So the occasional pings here are nice.

-Charlie

On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 5:19 AM Koen Piller  wrote:

> John,
>
> I would appreciate if you would stop hitchhike your messages on other
> forums.
> I have now received for the third time a message that a new version is
> launched, I strongly advise you to open a mailservice dedicated to X# and
> leave Foxite, Level Extreme, ProFox, TekTips (did I forget one) alone.
> Thanks,
>
> Koen
>
> Op di 17 dec. 2019 om 02:33 schreef Johan Nel :
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Just a short note that the latest X# Bandol 2.2 was also released into
> > the public domain.
> >
> > https://xsharp.info
> >
> > Johan Nel
> > George, South Africa.
> >
> >
[excessive quoting removed by server]

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RE: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

2019-12-17 Thread Darren
+1

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Subject: Re: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

John,

I would appreciate if you would stop hitchhike your messages on other
forums.
I have now received for the third time a message that a new version is
launched, I strongly advise you to open a mailservice dedicated to X# and
leave Foxite, Level Extreme, ProFox, TekTips (did I forget one) alone.
Thanks,

Koen

Op di 17 dec. 2019 om 02:33 schreef Johan Nel :

> Hi All,
>
> Just a short note that the latest X# Bandol 2.2 was also released into
> the public domain.
>
> https://xsharp.info
>
> Johan Nel
> George, South Africa.
>
>
[excessive quoting removed by server]

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Twilight zone moment for textbox value being different than what it's controlsource evaluates to

2019-12-17 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

See https://www.screencast.com/t/mQEK40Tqp.

I don't understand how the thisform.txtDraftingRate.Value is not equal 
to 1 as well?  Causing a bug in my code at the moment.


tia,
--Michael



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Re: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

2019-12-17 Thread Koen Piller
John,

I would appreciate if you would stop hitchhike your messages on other
forums.
I have now received for the third time a message that a new version is
launched, I strongly advise you to open a mailservice dedicated to X# and
leave Foxite, Level Extreme, ProFox, TekTips (did I forget one) alone.
Thanks,

Koen

Op di 17 dec. 2019 om 02:33 schreef Johan Nel :

> Hi All,
>
> Just a short note that the latest X# Bandol 2.2 was also released into
> the public domain.
>
> https://xsharp.info
>
> Johan Nel
> George, South Africa.
>
>
[excessive quoting removed by server]

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