Re: [NF] Web cam for stills

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 10/08/14 a las 14:10, Ted Roche escibió:

On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Ricardo Aráoz  wrote:


El 09/08/14 a las 22:21, Ted Roche escibió:




LOL
Don't know much about your legislation but, doesn't it require that both
parties must "know" about the agreement before entering one? If the
"agreement" was inside the box then you had no way of knowing about it
until *after* you purchased it, so you wouldn't be bound by it.


Well, there is the law, and there is reality. I bought it from an online
vendor. That vendors terms of service may say, "You agree to be bound by
the terms of whatever we sell." Would that be morally right? I don't think
so. But if either *HUGE* company (Amazon or AT&T) decided it was worth
fighting about, they have buildings full of lawyers they could throw at a
case, while I had trouble scraping up $48 to buy their phone. I surely
could not afford to spend the money to have the issue debated in court.

So, if either of them decided to press the issue, I would probably knuckle
under and buy their lousy service.

I just have to depend on you guys not to tell anyone else... :)



Oh sorry! I wasn't supposed to tell? Sorry mate I blew it.   ;-P
So the "land of the free" is actually the "land of the rich" and if you 
have no money you won't get justice?

Nice to know, I'll try to skip that part of the planet.


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Re: [NF] Web cam for stills

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 09/08/14 a las 22:21, Ted Roche escibió:

Dan:

Thanks for posting this. Amazon had it on sale for $48 last week and I
picked one up. Amused by the package, "By purchasing this phone, you agree
to" um, no, I didn't.



LOL
Don't know much about your legislation but, doesn't it require that both 
parties must "know" about the agreement before entering one? If the 
"agreement" was inside the box then you had no way of knowing about it 
until *after* you purchased it, so you wouldn't be bound by it. They 
wouldn't even be able to argue that you should have returned it if you 
didn't agree because the act of purchasing is already done and you are 
either bound to the agreement or you are not.
If the notice was printed on the outside of the box you might still 
argue that it should be at least as readable (i.e. same font size) as 
the device's function (i.e. "web cam") given that you are not required 
by law to read the fine printing of every package you buy.




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Re: [WC] Bye Netherlands, hello finals.

[Ricardo Aráoz]

LOL
No, they'll cheer for Deutschland.
Since Maradona caught Pelé in bed with that young boy (lol) there's a 
great football rivalry between us.
Did you know they call Brazil "partyhall"? That's because everybody is 
having fun except the home-owner.



El 10/07/14 19:54, Michael Oke, II escribió:

I thought it was a horrible game and that was disappointing.  I hate games
at this level being decided by penalties tho.  I'd rather they shift to a
sudden death format.

Is it possible that Brazil and it's citizens just won't watch?  Naw.  Is it
possible to cheer for both teams to lose?




On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Ricardo Aráoz  wrote:


Didn't like the game. Really boring.
Robben keeps diving and acting. Messi took the day off.
The only thing I enjoyed was Mascherano's grit. Having Tevez on the field
would have been a very nice thing in this game, but he was excluded from
the team by Messi's friends.
If we play this way against Germany they will hammer us.
But still, we are in the finals!
I wonder who will the Brazilians be cheering for. Tough choice LOL






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Re: [WC] Bye Netherlands, hello finals.

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You'd cheer for those who buggered you last week?
Just one thing to tell you :

Brasil, decime que se siente
tener en casa a tu papá.
Te juro que aunque pasen los años
nunca nos vamos a olvidar
Que el Diego te gambeteó
que Cani te vacunó
que estás llorando desde Italia hasta hoy.
A Messi lo vas a ver
la copa nos va a traer
Maradona es más grande que Pelé.

(sing to Credence's Bad Moon Rising)  ;-)

Let's see if you can guess which is the original song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84-q2e_gLEo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxPS72-cfk8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_HYjS7eErg

El 10/07/14 18:29, Eurico Chagas Filho escribió:

Germany of course...

E.


On Thursday, July 10, 2014 12:02 PM, Ricardo Aráoz  wrote:
  



Didn't like the game. Really boring.
Robben keeps diving and acting. Messi took the day off.
The only thing I enjoyed was Mascherano's grit. Having Tevez on the
field would have been a very nice thing in this game, but he was
excluded from the team by Messi's friends.
If we play this way against Germany they will hammer us.
But still, we are in the finals!
I wonder who will the Brazilians be cheering for. Tough choice LOL






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[WC] Bye Netherlands, hello finals.

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Didn't like the game. Really boring.
Robben keeps diving and acting. Messi took the day off.
The only thing I enjoyed was Mascherano's grit. Having Tevez on the 
field would have been a very nice thing in this game, but he was 
excluded from the team by Messi's friends.

If we play this way against Germany they will hammer us.
But still, we are in the finals!
I wonder who will the Brazilians be cheering for. Tough choice LOL




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Re: [WC] Argentina v. Belgium

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LOL
Not only with the result. It's the first time the quality of our team's 
play has reached a level that gives us a chance to get the cup.



El 05/07/14 09:06, Jerry Wolper escribió:

Someone on ProFox will be delighted with the result.

Enjoy the match.

-Jerry


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Re: [WC] USA v Belgium...

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 01/07/14 12:53, Adam Buckland escribió:

Ed,


Have a good evening, good luck to the USA team…even if it is still the wrong 
shaped ball.

Adam.



Yeah, I'm sure that and the fact that the game field is in the metric 
system that played against you.

Life is sooo unfair booohooo

LOL

No, seriously. Your team surprised me. At times they still look a bit 
clumsy handling the ball but they are notorious athletes, I watched the 
previous game and seeing them run I was expecting them to crumble in the 
second half (that's what usually happens to teams that run so hard) but 
they run the full 90 minutes and I think USA will be a dangerous team in 
the next WC.



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Re: [WC] World Cup

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El 26/06/14 17:59, Adam Buckland escribió:

Well done to the USA.

Good luck in the next round and ignore all the bile that sad cow Anne Coulter 
spews from her festering puss filled hatred ridden gob

Sorry I'd like to say what I really think about her but I have had to hold 
back and as a rugby fan I don't even like football (Clue Anne... it's 
played with a ball and you kick it with your foot)


http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2014-06-25.html
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/06/26/ann-coulter-soccer-column/11394947/



Ooops! It seems the Belgians beat us to the prom dance. Hope you people 
had a good time, Belgians are real gentlemen   ;c)



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Re: [WC] World Cup

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 26/06/14 17:59, Adam Buckland escribió:

Well done to the USA.

Good luck in the next round and ignore all the bile that sad cow Anne Coulter 
spews from her festering puss filled hatred ridden gob

Sorry I'd like to say what I really think about her but I have had to hold 
back and as a rugby fan I don't even like football (Clue Anne... it's 
played with a ball and you kick it with your foot)


http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2014-06-25.html
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/06/26/ann-coulter-soccer-column/11394947/
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LOL
Never realized it was so easy to "destroy USA". Good thing Obama's dead. 
Imagine if he'd found out about how dangerous football is  ;c)
It was also a surprise someone could hate so much, specially something 
she obviously knows nothing about. We should tell her that maybe 
"sissies" play football but "real men" watch it (there's more blood and 
danger in the audience than in the field, at least here in Argentina, 
and don't ask about the Brit hooligans). She might like it better then.
More surprising was her notion that a sport must be physically dangerous 
or humiliating, and a "sublimated warfare". But I guess that she must be 
a "real" sportswoman to speak her mind so forcefully. I wonder about her 
"humiliations", and about her "injuries". Having seen her picture she 
wasn't putting anything valuable at risk when she submitted to said 
physical "humiliations" and "injuries".


Now seriously people, will you require flowers and a kiss before .?
Because here we come team USA hahaha



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Re: [WC] Sad story at the World Cup

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 17/06/14 10:08, Ed Leafe escribió:

On Jun 16, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Ricardo Aráoz  wrote:


Soccer? What's that?
Is that the game you play with an oval ball, using full body armour, and 
passing it with your hands?
Why didn't you call it handball? Or armourball?

https://app.box.com/s/vqdwpbrfoz47qm6npip2


-- Ed Leafe




LOL


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Re: [WC] Sad story at the World Cup

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Soccer? What's that?
Is that the game you play with an oval ball, using full body armour, and 
passing it with your hands?

Why didn't you call it handball? Or armourball?

;-P


El 16/06/14 18:14, Paul Hill escribió:

Hi Ed,

Seen this today?

http://thedoghousediaries.com/

:)

On 16 June 2014 14:18, Ed Leafe  wrote:

The England team visited an orphanage in Brazil today. "It's heartbreaking to see 
their sad faces, with no hope." said Jose, aged 6.


-- Ed Leafe





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Re: VFP support

[Ricardo Aráoz]

LOL
But hey!
Remember MS is "listening". hahaha

El 17/05/14 18:15, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com escribió:
Bloody f*ckers!  I think wOOdy's got them on his site.  Best to grab 
them when you can I guess.  Someone should post them on the ProFox 
downloads page.


On 2014-05-17 16:00, Allen wrote:
I do have them, but I had to search my backup drive. It was more a 
comment

on M$ than anything.
Al

-Original Message-


Yes the links to them went to some archive which has been retired. I 
would

think someone here will have them.



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Re: [NF] The "New Microsoft" is embracing open source

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 16/05/14 14:24, Gene Wirchenko escribió:

At 16:52 2014-05-13, Ricardo Aráoz  wrote:

BTW, have you noticed the ONLY reason offered in this post to go back 
to MS is that now "they're listening"?

So we should change once again JUST because MS is listening? Why?
What are they offering besides a "listening" that they can end any 
time they want to? What are they offering, that we don't already 
have, that might justify the expense of moving back and the risk that 
they once again stop listening some time in the future?


 I have noticed businesses listening in the past.  Too many times, 
that is all they do.  You are given an opportunity to state your 
grievance, and then they have other customers to help. Listening 
without action is a waste of time.


So what? Isn't bankruptcy a waste of time? Let's us ask Enron.
Medium or small companies operated by their owners may think this way. 
It is the old way, owners being proud of their company and trying to 
make it better. But corporate companies? It's just a bunch of directives 
concerned only with their own interests, not the company's. And they do 
right, because the company will fire them at a moment's notice, as soon 
as it is convenient. So why wouldn't they also look to their own interests?
I think the whole corporate system is rotten. It cannot and will not 
function properly, it is just a way for slippery smart people to make 
some fast money. Companies should be directed by their owners, by people 
who will be hurt if the company goes down, only then will the system work.
Until that time, all your notions of companies doing the convenient or 
proper thing are a waste of time. Because the people running the company 
are not the company and don't care about wasting the company's time, 
just about their own interests.


So once again. Why would we expect MS to keep on listening long enough 
to make it worth our while to migrate back? And what would be the added 
benefits to this migration? After all, the people we've migrated to are 
also listening so you'll have to do much better than that.



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Re: [NF] The "New Microsoft" is embracing open source

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 13/05/14 17:33, Ed Leafe escribió:

On May 13, 2014, at 3:09 PM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:


Alright Ed, Ted, Whil, Alan, Dave, Stephen, Greg Gum, Chad Bourque, et al.  
Time to come back to Microsoft. They're listening now.

Your wife/husbands cheats on you repeatedly, so you finally leave them. 15 years later 
they come back to you and say "I've stopped cheating!".

Yeah, open arms.  ;-)


-- Ed Leafe



BTW, have you noticed the ONLY reason offered in this post to go back to 
MS is that now "they're listening"?

So we should change once again JUST because MS is listening? Why?
What are they offering besides a "listening" that they can end any time 
they want to? What are they offering, that we don't already have, that 
might justify the expense of moving back and the risk that they once 
again stop listening some time in the future?



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Re: [OT] Joke

[Ricardo Aráoz]

As the song used to say:

Si el hijo e puta e Franco se llegara a morir
Cuando pases por su tumba no te olvides de escupir.

(If the son of a whore Franco should ever die
 when you walk by his grave don't forget to spit)


El 27/03/14 12:53, Jean Laeremans escribió:

An apt comparison.


Really ?

More than 190 concentration camps, holding 170,000 prisoners in
1938[7]and
between 367,000 and half a million prisoners in 1939, were created
during Spanish Civil War
and in the following
years.
[8] This
is a partial list:

- Los Merinales concentration
camp,
Dos Hermanas ,
Sevilla
- La Corchuela concentration
camp,
Dos Hermanas, Sevilla
- El Palmar de Troya concentration
camp,n
Utrera , Sevilla
- Hostal de San Marcos de
Leónconcentration
camp, which held 7,000 men and 300 women from 1936 until 1939
- Miranda de Ebro
concentration camp
[9]
- Castuera concentration
camp
- Península de Llevant concentration
camp,
Mallorca 
- Formentera concentration
camp
- La Isleta concentration
camp,
Gran Canaria 
- Lazareto de Gando concentration
camp,
Gran Canaria
- Cartuja de Porta Coeli concentration
camp,
Valencia 
[10]
- Los Almendros concentration
camp,
Alicante 
- Albatera concentration
camp,

Alicante
- Pasaje Camposancos - A Guarda concentration
camp
- Ronda concentration
camp,
Málaga
- Betanzos concentration
camp
- Horta concentration
camp,
Barcelona
- Poblenou concentration
camp,
Barcelona
- Monasterio de Corbán concentration
camp,
Santander
- Soria concentration
camp
- Burgo de Osma concentration
camp,
Soria

Last month, in the town of Aranda de Duero, 100 miles north of Madrid,
mourners reinterred the bone remains of 129 family members found in four
mass graves. The victims, all men except one, were executed between July
and October 1936 by forces loyal to the military uprising that sparked the
Spanish Civil War and the dictatorship of Francisco Franco.

All 129 were civilians. The youngest was 16, the oldest 70. When unearthed,
they were just skeletons, some still attached to the rubber soles of their
shoes. A few buttons and belt buckles remained, bullet fragments too.

Until 2000, 25 years after Franco died and Spain began 

Re: [NF]: MongoDB

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 06/03/14 16:48, Eurico Chagas Filho escribió:

Any toughs ?

"The database market is in need of a big change. The technology that people 
typically use, the database layer, was designed in 1970 with a very different set of 
requirements in mind,"  Schireson said.



Different set of requirements... such as?
When was the market designed? Or business practices? Should we change them?
H2O was designed how many million years ago? Certainly requirements have 
changed, is the universe "in need of a big change"?


Just look at the language, just hype bull. (doesn't mean mongo may not 
have it's use, but probably a niche in the market, no need to rush to go 
get it)



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Re: [NF] Our Love Affair with the Tablet is Over

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 25/02/14 19:08, Stephen Russell escribió:

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Jerry Wolper  wrote:


  Tying it back to us, a better OS or DBMS is a good thing.
But new isn't always better, and if there's a three-month learning
curve every couple years to get back to providing the same services
we provide, that's not a good thing.




So advancements are only good if nothing really changes?  It is only good
if it was just like the last one?


If you give me the same functionality then let me handle it in the same 
way. Is it too hard to understand that? If you give me extra 
functionality then, if it is worth my time, I'll learn how to operate 
it. But it should be MY, the user's, option to do so.
You can't tell me your user interfaces are so shitty that you MUST 
change them RADICALLY every couple of years. If this is so, just fire 
the people that are designing them, they are not doing their job. That 
is, if their job is to provide a USEFUL (to the user) service



I tend to not put the demands on my train ability as another products
value.  I try to let that product stand on it's own and judge it that way.
  Many times designers know a lot more about functionality and usage than us
ordinary folk.  I attempt to grasp their intent instead of fight it because
my rote memory and reflexes no longer fit the item at hand.

Do you folks have a hard time when you rent a car because stuff is laid out
differently?



You mean the gas and brake pedals are inverted or actioned in a 
different way every two years?
Or the radio controls are not between the driver and the navigator? Or 
the driver is facing aft? Or they changed the colour code of the car's 
lights?

Shit! I must be getting old! Never noticed they changed that.

I bet they also change the colour code of electrical wiring every couple 
of years. Or the measures system (sure, you've adopted the metric system 
so fast and easy). I bet all technical industry standards change every 
couple of years.




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Re: [NF] Our Love Affair with the Tablet is Over

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El 25/02/14 13:19, Stephen Russell escribió:
Interesting. I saw the inability of a Dr. to go with the flow within 
his field of study. If he could defy the trend on this, would he also 
NOT follow suit in focusing on trends like obesity and heart disease 
while still doing the same treatment(s) he did twenty years earlier? 
My current Dr. has a laptop or a tablet and will photograph a skin 
section to monitor potential mole growth over time. For me a tan is 
freckles merging together. 


Not at all, you may be good at maths and a crappy mechanic. There is no 
"follow suit", he may not interested (or willing to spend his valuable 
time) in learning a new OS every other year (or a new interface), but 
really interested in his professional field.
If you told your current Dr. that every time he wants to take a picture 
he must press some weird combination of keys, or go through a convoluted 
menu, and know about IP numbers and how is his net configured... would 
he be so willing to take pictures with his laptop?


Same thing in our field. I do apps for end users in the administrative 
and accounting area. I don't have the need to and I DON'T WANT TO deal 
with OS bullshit. From my job's point of view the OS should just work 
and get out of the way and allow me to do my job unhindered.



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Re: [NF] Our Love Affair with the Tablet is Over

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 24/02/14 15:44, Stephen Russell escribió:


How would you feel if your Dr. said I don't care about electronic medical
records nor do I need them.  That is similar to what people voice here.



How would you feel if your Dr. said :
"""
- I don't care about electronics, it should just work, I care about the 
information contained in the records. Would you have me spend my time 
reading medical subjects and caring for patients or would you rather 
have me spend my time learning about ONE PARTICULAR operating system and 
caring for my computer system?

"""

I would answer him, go ahead take care of ME and leave the computer alone.
But of course, there are people more interested in things than in their 
own well being.




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Re: [NF] Our Love Affair with the Tablet is Over

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 19/02/14 16:52, Stephen Russell escribió:
Do you only use a film camera instead of digital as well? 16 bit 
technology should have been reprogrammed along the way. If it wasn't 
there is probably a valid reason why not. Sticking with the old and 
antiquated will get you burned, and the further away you get the hard 
tings will become. Sometimes you have to let old memories fade away 
allowing you to look at things in a new light tomorrow. 


The point is, operating systems don't put bread in my table, they are 
just a tool. And, as is the case with any tool, I want them to do their 
job and stay out of the way.
You don't have to re-learn how to use a screwdriver or a hammer or even 
a car every other year, it just works, there may be some changes now and 
then but this is ridiculous.
Operating systems should be perfected and made better every year, but if 
you have to change everything every 4 years, then you either are 
completely useless or your business model is completely against my best 
interests.
If Microshit gets it so wrong after 30 years of perfecting an OS that it 
has to drop it all and change everything every 4 years they are 
useless or they are into the fashion business.



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Re: [OT]: SOCIALISM AND RACISM EXPLAINED

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 29/01/14 13:08, Eurico Chagas Filho escribió:

A young black kid asks his mother, “Mama what’s
Socialism and what is Racism?”
  
Well son, Socialism is when white folks work every day

so we can get all our benefits, you knows like free cell phones for each family
member, rent subsidy, food stamps, EMC, free healthcare, utility subsidy, free
computers and internet connection, free food, free clothing, free gifts at
Christmas, & on & on, you knows?  That’s Socialism.”
  
“But mama, don’t the white people get pissed off about

that?”
  
“Sure they do son, that’s called Racism!”
  
(Never more simply explained. . . )




Yup, it clearly exposes your racism.
Saddest thing is that YOU would be racially discriminated in a lot of 
places.





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Re: [OT] - how many pillocks are there...

[Ricardo Aráoz]

My experience is that you get more seasick going downwind, as rolling is 
much worse than pitching. This is like peeing or spitting to windward 
instead of leeward.



El 09/01/14 18:58, Nicholas Geti escribió:
Looks like the gene pool needs some trimming. If you get seasick on a 
boat, be sure to aim downwind. Same principle applies here. Also the 
reporter used a paper cup which is easy to flip. A pot is much larger 
and more difficult to flip.

Nick Geti

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Subject: [OT] - how many pillocks are there...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10561674/At-leas 


t-50-scalded-in-the-US-after-trying-boiling-to-frozen-water-trick.html






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Re: [OT] Parasites

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El 05/01/14 21:23, Lew Schwartz escribió:

You seem to agree with the statement,


Not so.


not oppose it. It's argument is that
the true parasites are the ruling class, not the unemployed & dependent.


Obviously. Is there any doubt about it?


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[OT] Parasites

[Ricardo Aráoz]

""" People who dismiss the unemployed
and dependent as "parasites" fail to
understand economics and parasitism.
A successful parasite is one that is not
recognized by it's host, one that can
make it's host work for it without
appearing as a burden. Such is the
ruling class in a capitalist society."""
-- Jason Read

On the other hand it might be argued that "the unemployed and dependent" 
are unsuccessful parasites. Usually the fascist argument is that 
government should not meddle in private affairs, but in that same 
sentence they are asking for government protection against immigration, 
outsourcing, etc. Basically what fascists want is protection for 
themselves and fuck everybody else.


P.S.: I am using the word "fascist" in the same way fascists call 
anything to their left "communist". The name calling game may be played 
by all sides.



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Re: [OT] Mandela sings kill all white

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 16/12/13 04:24, Michael Madigan escribió:

George Washington wasn't blowing up women and children or slitting their 
throats.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_Memos

So shushhh.



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Re: [OT] Mandela sings kill all white

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Nicky, Nicky, Nicky...
If you have wifey troubles don't bring'em here matey.
I understand now, your wife has you under her boot and you react by 
trying to appear xtra macho. It's ok matey, we understand. But please, 
politics has nothing to do with how your wife runs her household.


- "communist" again, you can't live without placing people in nice 
little boxes with tags. None of the comments you are answering to has a 
commie/fascist political argument behind it. I'm asking simple, direct 
questions about videos, now as far as I know videos are neither commie 
nor fascist, and they either exist or not.


- Last paragraph: so you are stating that none of your forefathers was a 
hero, that they were made to appear that way because they won. Ok, maybe 
it is that way. But Mandela fought against a govt which was clearly 
stronger than he was, and a govt that had no scruples in killing 
political opposition. And yet he fought, and he endured more than 20 
years in prison, and when he came out he kept fighting. That alone, 
irrespective of the man's politics or if I justify his actions or not, 
qualifies him as a hero. No win/lose issues here.


- Conclusions : Your wife has you under her boot
You constantly complain about other people's 
behaviour. Remember, he who has power changes reality, he who is 
powerless complains.
You are a hypocrite, you complain about the 
same behaviour you allow yourself.

Even your wife knows you are a bit of an arse.

Cheers

El 11/12/13 23:27, Nicholas Geti escribió:
The Communist is at it again. Always turning the argument around. "It 
is ok

for us if others do it too". My wife does the same thing; if I complain
about someone's behavior she says well you do it to or others do it. 
As if

that justifies the behavior in the first place.

In any case, one is a hero if he wins or a terroist if he loses. Same 
old story generations after generations.


- Original Message - From: "Ricardo Aráoz" 
To: "ProFox Email List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Mandela sings kill all white


El 11/12/13 01:28, Nicholas Geti escribió:
See this early video showing Mandel singing hatred but preaching love 
and

peace.

http://patriotupdate.com/2013/12/mandela-sings-kill-whites/


WO
TERRIBLE!
And I'm certain he has farted in public too.

Do you have a video of him torturing white people as the south african
security forces routinely did?
Do you have a video of him murdering white people as the south african
security forces routinely did?
Or one of him dropping an A bomb over some jap city? Or of him shooting
innocent civilians from a helicopter like your military do? Or messing
in other country's affairs and organizing coups? Or spying on other
world leaders like the NSA does?

Now put that thumb up your ass again and shut up.






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Re: [OT] Mandela sings kill all white

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 11/12/13 01:28, Nicholas Geti escribió:
See this early video showing Mandel singing hatred but preaching love 
and peace.


http://patriotupdate.com/2013/12/mandela-sings-kill-whites/


WO
TERRIBLE!
And I'm certain he has farted in public too.

Do you have a video of him torturing white people as the south african 
security forces routinely did?
Do you have a video of him murdering white people as the south african 
security forces routinely did?
Or one of him dropping an A bomb over some jap city? Or of him shooting 
innocent civilians from a helicopter like your military do? Or messing 
in other country's affairs and organizing coups? Or spying on other 
world leaders like the NSA does?


Now put that thumb up your ass again and shut up.




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Re: [OT] shows what the right think..

[Ricardo Aráoz]

LOL
Now really.
Stalin, Hitler? No, but you took in nazi scientists and spies.
Noblesse oblige, my country also took nazis in, but Peron who was in 
power at that time was a known filo-fascist.
Now about supporting, training, encouraging coups and dictatorships in 
Latin America, USA was responsible for most if not all of them. Same 
thing in the middle east.



El 06/12/13 23:16, Virgil Bierschwale escribió:

Responsible ?

No

Worse ?

possibly

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 4:56 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] shows what the right think..

Your comment shows why I haven't bother to respond to your drivel. Liberals,
progressives, Communists, et. al. always turn the argument around. It is now
the USA that is the terrorist nation; it is responsible for Stalin, Hitler
and the like.

Nick


- Original Message -
From: "Ricardo Aráoz" 
To: "ProFox Email List" 
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] shows what the right think..


I would hope that the Fascists and Nazis on this forum would refrain
from citing their slanted articles.

BTW, how many Latin American dictators (don't know what "major" dictator
stands for)  where supported/created/trained by USA? And in the rest of
the world? So maybe you think USA is a communist/Marxist country?


El 06/12/13 16:30, Nicholas Geti escribió:

I would hope that the communists, Marxists, et.al., on this forum read
this article


http://politichicks.tv/column/socialism-in-america-how-it-began-who-started-
it/

on the history of socialism, (progressivism). It is a scary business to
find most of the major dictators in recent history who have caused so much
destruction and human grief are communists.

In the article Jean provided half of it was quoting Professor Delaney who
extols the virtues of Mandela. Well, Columbia is a hotbed of communists
and figures prominently in the article I linked above.
Nick Geti





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Re: [OT] shows what the right think..

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 06/12/13 19:55, Nicholas Geti escribió:
Your comment shows why I haven't bother to respond to your drivel. 
Liberals, progressives, Communists, et. al. always turn the argument 
around. It is now the USA that is the terrorist nation; it is 
responsible for Stalin, Hitler and the like.




You keep doing the same stupid thing over and over. Liberals are 
different from progressives (whatever that is) which are different from 
communists, etc.
Little minds don't like to see there are different shades of grey (and 
even colours), they want everything black and white and dead simple, 
they just don't know how to process something more complex (or maybe 
they are unable because of a low IQ).


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Re: [OT] shows what the right think..

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 06/12/13 18:53, Michael Madigan escribió:

He never renounced terror
he killed women and children
He took a great city like Johannesburg and turned it into shit.

He's no better than Che Guevara or Arafat, which I'm sure Adam loves too.


How come with all of this bullets flying none hit you and got us rid of 
all of your cowardly bullshit?



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Re: [OT] shows what the right think..

[Ricardo Aráoz]

I would hope that the Fascists and Nazis on this forum would refrain 
from citing their slanted articles.


BTW, how many Latin American dictators (don't know what "major" dictator 
stands for)  where supported/created/trained by USA? And in the rest of 
the world? So maybe you think USA is a communist/Marxist country?



El 06/12/13 16:30, Nicholas Geti escribió:
I would hope that the communists, Marxists, et.al., on this forum read 
this article 
http://politichicks.tv/column/socialism-in-america-how-it-began-who-started-it/ 
on the history of socialism, (progressivism). It is a scary business 
to find most of the major dictators in recent history who have caused 
so much destruction and human grief are communists.


In the article Jean provided half of it was quoting Professor Delaney 
who extols the virtues of Mandela. Well, Columbia is a hotbed of 
communists and figures prominently in the article I linked above.

Nick Geti


- Original Message - From: "Jean Laeremans" 


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Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 10:27 AM
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/nelson-mandela-becomes-first-politician-to-be-miss,34755/ 






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Re: [OT] shows what the right think..

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Hey Mikey boy! I'm planning your funeral party. Hopefully it will be soon.
When we toast your death, should we do it with beer, wine or whisky.

BTW, you haven't spawned have you? I'd hate to know that any part of 
your genes survive, it would go against the improvement of the human race.


Cheers matey.


El 06/12/13 08:24, Michael Madigan escribió:

Good riddance


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Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:37 PM
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On 12/05/2013 05:45 PM, Paul Hill wrote:

On 5 December 2013 22:21, Adam Buckland  wrote:

Madigan is happy that Mandela has diedŠ..

Mandela died a long time ago.


Actually, he died today. Almost died several times in the past, but
officially died today.



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Re: [NF] Anyone else seeing an influx in Spanish language spam?

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 04/12/13 07:20, Michael Madigan escribió:

All of a sudden I  am getting a lot of Spanish language spam that is getting 
past the spam filters.   Anyone else getting this?




Vote Ricardo for Major...\ R /
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Vote a Ricardo para Intendente.


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Re: [NF] An introduction to Abject-oriented programming.

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 16/10/13 20:57, Ken Dibble escribió:



> http://typicalprogrammer.com/?p=8

I'm wiping away tears and only got through the first page.


Are you, like me, crying at how many people didn't get the joke?


What joke?
I found it to be an insightful article and will be proposing these 
methods in the next management meeting. I will also add to those 
practices that all source code files must be printed (double spaced 
lines), commented by the programmer between lines, and properly filed.


;c)



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Re: win 8.1

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 15/10/13 05:03, Alan Bourke escribió:


On Tue, Oct 15, 2013, at 08:55 AM, Allen wrote:

I tried one of those after-market menu's and it makes Linux look good.

Seen Ubuntu recently? Whatever else you can't fault it on visuals.



Still in 12.04, don't like the ui (the one with the buttons on the left 
column, can't remember it's name).
But the good thing about linux is that you can CHOOSE. So I use a Mac 
style dock (Cairo-dock) and I really like it. And if I didn't I could 
have installed KDE or any of many other interfaces.
So that's the real point here, you are not stuck with something you 
don't like, you can always choose and tweak till you get what you want.




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Re: Interesting scam

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 11/10/13 11:35, Alan Bourke escribió:


On Fri, Oct 11, 2013, at 03:03 PM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:

  From this site you mention:
"""Free users will still be able to detect the malware if present on a
PC, but will need to upgrade to Pro in order to access these additional
protection options."""

So MicroShit wants it's share too.


No, that's referring to the MalwareBytes software which is nothing to do
with Microsoft.


Whatever yo.
(hehe, sorry, Breaking Bad overdose here)



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Re: Interesting scam

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 11/10/13 05:01, Alan Bourke escribió:

Here's how it works in terms of keys and the like.

http://blog.malwarebytes.org/intelligence/2013/10/cryptolocker-ransomware-what-you-need-to-know/



From this site you mention:
"""Free users will still be able to detect the malware if present on a 
PC, but will need to upgrade to Pro in order to access these additional 
protection options."""


So MicroShit wants it's share too.
You'll have to pay someone anyway.
LOL



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[OT] Healthcare according to Matthew Rose

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Matthew Rose dixit :

Oct 2008: "You'll never get elected and pass healthcare."
Nov 2008: "We'll never let you pass healthcare."
Jan 2009: "We are going to shout you down every time you try to pass 
healthcare."
July 2009: "We will fight to the death every attempt you make to pass 
healthcare."

Dec 2009: "We will destroy you if you even consider passing healthcare."
March 2010: "We can't believe you just passed healthcare."
April 2010: "We are going to overturn healthcare."
Sept 2010: "We are going to repeal healthcare."
Jan 2011: "We are going to destroy healthcare."
Feb 2012: "We are going to elect a candidate who will immediately revoke 
healthcare."
June 2012: "We will go to the Supreme Court, and they will overturn 
healthcare."
Aug 2012: "The American people will never re-elect you, because they 
don't want healthcare."

Oct 2012: "We can't wait to win the election and explode healthcare."
Nov 2012: "We can't believe you just got re-elected and that we can't 
repeal healthcare."

Feb 2013: "We're still going to vote to obliterate healthcare."
June 2013: "We can't believe the Supreme Court just upheld healthcare."
July 2013: "We're going to vote like 35 more times to erase healthcare."
Sept 2013: "We are going to leverage a government shutdown into 
defunding, destroying, obliterating, overturning, repealing, 
dismantling, erasing and ripping apart healthcare."

Oct 2013: "WHY AREN'T YOU NEGOTIATING???"


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Re: [NF] Selling software intellectual property.

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El 12/09/13 14:21, Graham Brown escribió:

Hi all

  


One of my customers has asked to buy out the rights to one of my products. 
Currently there is only the one company using this.

  


Normally my projects do not include the source because previously another 
client took the source, developed his own application with my libraries and set 
up in competition with me. Cost me about £30k in lost business.

  


Previously when this happened I had one customer try to enforce "no writing software 
for 8 years after the sale" and another wanting 20% royalty on all derivative works 
which is basically everything and everybody. I told both of them where to go.

  


This new chap wants ownership of just the one product. The chap has said he 
will pay for this but I've no idea what to charge or what terms I should impose 
or accept.

  


Just wondering how to deal with this

  


Graham, this is capitalism. There is no intrinsic value to things. Just 
what you can get away with.
So I would evaluate how much revenue I might loose from this sale. Then 
how much might I loose from competition from my customer. Add them up 
and that's a minimum, then I would charge over that as much as I thought 
I may get out of them.
And be sure to add all the legalese bullshit about no implied guarantees 
and that you may also use the code for whatever you want, etc.



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Re: [NF] Another Alternative to Open Office

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El 12/09/13 16:46, Kurt @ VR-FX escribió:
I was just looking into downloading OpenOffice - as that's what I have 
use for Several years now. Thing is, I got a new PC setup here - and I 
can't find any install files for OO. I started searching the web for 
it - and found a Wiki that stated "*Active successor projects 
includeApache OpenOffice 
,LibreOffice 
andNeoOffice 
.*"


So - do most people here suggest sticking w/LibreOffice? I know this 
is an OLD Thread - but, since I found it in my email folders, since I 
was looking for OO - I figured I would follow-up on it here & get some 
feedback.


I do.
It comes out of the box with Ubuntu, so I'd say the user base is huge.


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Re: [NF] Python tools for Visual Studio

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El 12/09/13 10:40, Richard Kaye escribió:

Tell us how you really feel, Ricardo... ;-)



LOL
Well, you know me. I'm a born diplomat.  ;-)


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Re: [NF] Python tools for Visual Studio

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El 11/09/13 09:15, Ted Roche escribió:

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Ed Leafe  wrote:


Because no one outside of the VS world would have any idea what you are
talking about.


REPL is a Computer Science thing. I've heard of it due to the large
concentration of MIT grads around here, and their affection for LISP.

Googling "repl site:mit.edu" yields ~35k results.

Also, http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ReadEvalPrintLoop shows it made it to the
other coast.



Well IMO these MF's may GTH with their acronyms and STUTA.
I'm FT of acronyms that accomplish absolutely nothing but giving the AH 
that uses them a feeling of "I'm in".


For uninitiated people (i.e. those who are not as cool as I am):
MF: something regarding Mothers
GTH : Go somewhere
STUTA : Shove Them Up somewhere
FT : too Tired?
AH : some kind of Hole.


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Re: [NF] Building a Database Application with Xojo

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El 26/07/13 18:50, Dan Covill escribió:

On 07/26/13 11:44 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

  So how is it pronounced?  I do not like the idea of using a
product that I can not say the name of.  There are all too many such.
If it is pronounced "zo-jo", who is going to think of "*X*ojo"?


Ah, there's the rub!  If you read it, you can't pronounce it.  If 
somebody pronounces it, you can't spell it or look it up!


I'd say "zo-jo" in English and "zho-ho" in Spanish.  No idea which is 
'preferred', and the website (obviously designed by a bunch of 
programmers!) sheds no light.  Where is Rafael Copquin when we really 
need him?


They were right to change the name, though.  With the present state of 
Google search, someone looking for 'Real Studio' would never find them.


Dan


Xojo in Spanish would be pronounced Kso-ho with a really hard 'h' and 
the X just like in English (ks), and the 'o' as in 'pond'.

Is it too difficult to pronounce Kso-jo in English?


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Re: [NF] Building a Database Application with Xojo

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Nope, pronounced the same as in English.

El 26/07/13 18:33, Anthony Jennings escribió:

I think 'X' is pronounce as a "S" in Spanish.


-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:17 PM
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Isn't Z sounded as S in Spanish?
Al

-Original Message-


Zojoe could be the pronunciation






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Re: Happy 4th of July...

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Smart people the Brits.
First they send their bottom drawer abroad, say America or Australia, 
then they push them hard enough to provoke rebellion. Finally they let 
them go.

Poor sods never know what hit them. ;cP


El 04/07/13 18:04, Michael Oke, II escribió:

That is certainly one way to look at it.



Michael Oke, II
oke...@gmail.com
661-349-6221

On Jul 4, 2013, at 1:15 PM, "John Weller"  wrote:


Fourth of July - that's the day we Brits got our independence from America
isn't it? 

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631





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Re: [OT] Re: Help save Southwest Fox

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El 27/06/13 00:39, Nicholas Geti escribió:
My solution is to let business do what business does. The world is too 
complex for a government or any entity to set rules as to how it 
should work.


I completely agree! Governments should let the drug dealing business 
alone. We don't need rules! If you want to protect your property just 
buy a gun. We don't need a police force to enforce rules we don't need!

The world is too complex. (said a brain impaired moron)


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Re: VFP & SQL Server 2012 ODBC connection

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El 21/05/13 11:32, Frank Cazabon escribió:
I use SQL Server 2008 and 2012 data in my VFP applications.  I 
normally use SQL Server Native Client as my ODBC connection.  My 
connection string is normally like this:


DRIVER=SQL Server Native Client 
10.0;UID=user;PWD=password;DATABASE=BPO;SERVER=(local)


Frank.

Frank Cazabon

On 21/05/2013 10:18 AM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
Friend of mine asking about any gotchas with VFP and SQL Server 2012 
access via ODBC connection.  I don't think there are but wanted to 
fire a question Q out to the list on that. Anyone successfully 
accessing SQL Server 2012 from VFP ODBC connection?


tia,
--Mike


I've also been using it in my previous job with no problems at all.
Well, that's not entirely true. There have been some queries that did 
receive a truncated answer, so you should check the quantity of tuples 
received to be sure. In those cases I simply changed the query to some 
other form that brought the same set or divided it into a couple of 
queries and combined them within VFP. Never found out what was going on, 
but OTOH I was only allowed to use VFP6 and the people maintaining the 
database were not the best. So it might have something to do with 
database settings or maybe is something particular to VFP6 and corrected 
in newer releases.




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Re: [NF] MS to Release "Windows 8.1"

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 09/05/13 21:29, Ken Dibble escribió:


There was something on BBC news that Microsoft has done an about 
turn. No

details though


Yeah, there is word that early versions have "leaked" and they have 
these capabilities. But MS is refusing to say anything about it 
right now.


 I would be willing to cut Microsoft some slack if they were 
honest about it.


 Imagine: "We screwed up.  We still think Modern is useful, but 
since many people do not, we are going to give them back the UI they 
like.  We will continue with Modern, but we are not going to drop the 
earlier and loved UI."


 I just made an apology this morning for something that I did 
that was, in retrospect, rather stupid.  I felt good afterwards.  I 
did not feel diminished.  I feel very empowered as a result.


There ya go, Gene--perpetuating the stereotypes about Canadians again.

gd&r



LOL


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Re: [NF] MS to Release "Windows 8.1"

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Actually Kurt I may have actually used actually too many times. But it's 
actually due to my bad English.



El 09/05/13 16:27, Kurt Wendt escribió:

Actually - I think Ricardo assumed U were using a Tablet - and that you were
HOLDING It while you were driving. Unlike a regular GPS attached to like a
dashboard - which I know is what you probably do w/Ur iPhone - in a Case -
attached to your Dash...

-K-

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On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Ricardo Aráoz  wrote:


El 09/05/13 13:38, Stephen Russell escribió:


My apps have age requirements, over 21.

Whoever said it was for kids is just fooling themselves.

Most insurance companies have an app to allow you to collect data after

an

accident now.

Waze is a great gps system that interprets others driving nearby for
troubles ahead.

RunKeeper, GasLog, XFinity Remote, Airlines schedules and flight status.

Sorry but the computer in your hands is not a toy.



Maybe it's my bad English but, are you actually saying that actually you
check your tablet (Waze) while you are driving? Is there an app that will
warn other drivers that you are checking YOUR app so they may be able to
get as far as possible from you?




I look the phone zoomed out and it uses color code for traffic conditions.
  I take 70% freeway and I drive against traffic.  When I see the backups I
may reroute around it.

So yes I do glance at it while driving.


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Re: [NF] MS to Release "Windows 8.1"

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El 09/05/13 13:38, Stephen Russell escribió:


My apps have age requirements, over 21.

Whoever said it was for kids is just fooling themselves.

Most insurance companies have an app to allow you to collect data after an
accident now.

Waze is a great gps system that interprets others driving nearby for
troubles ahead.

RunKeeper, GasLog, XFinity Remote, Airlines schedules and flight status.

Sorry but the computer in your hands is not a toy.



Maybe it's my bad English but, are you actually saying that actually you 
check your tablet (Waze) while you are driving? Is there an app that 
will warn other drivers that you are checking YOUR app so they may be 
able to get as far as possible from you?


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Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

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Hate to tell you this, as I can see you are in a hard spot, and you mean 
well.

But.
There's always been many billions of people in that situation. And even 
worse. But you just didn't see it. Did you ever look down at them when 
you were up in the nice horse? Besides which, there is no plate to step 
up to. This is not an individual issue, this is a system's issue. As 
long as the system operates on the belief that it can keep misery the 
other side of the wall and pay no consequences at all (terrorism, 
economic bubbles, etc.,  prove that is a fallacy) this will keep getting 
worse. And Eloii will keep looking away and hoping Morlocks won't get to 
them.




El 01/05/13 11:22, Virgil Bierschwale escribió:

Can't say I blame you.

But there are many billions of people out there going through what I'm going
through and somebody has to step up to the plate

Just wish it weren't me as I have neither a pot to pee in nor a window to
throw it out of 


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LOL
If I had a million, what makes you think I'd be trying to get more?
I'd be building a boat or sailing it.

El 30/04/13 13:47, Virgil Bierschwale escribió:

I'm trying too..
Can't find investors though...

Got a million you want to invest?

I want to hire 3 developers, a dba, and a admin person, and myself

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Yup..  but none of you two old farts is doing the hiring.
So suck it!
;cP


El 30/04/13 06:08, Dave Crozier escribió:

+1

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Bierschwale

Sent: 29 April 2013 23:13
To: 'ProFox Email List'
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Age

Amen.

That is why I use the Master to Apprentice thing all the time.
I don't care what field it is.

Somebody that has been doing things for 40 years or more knows

substantially more than a wet behind the ear kid with 4 years of
theory and zero years of experience.

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Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:45 PM
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Age

And in counter-point, "Older Is Wiser: Study Shows Software Developers'
Skills Improve Over Time"

http://news.ncsu.edu/releases/wms-murphyhill-age-2013/

"There is a perception in some tech circles that older programmers
aren't

able to keep pace with rapidly changing technology, and that they are
discriminated against in the software field. But a new study from
North Carolina State University indicates that the knowledge and
skills of programmers actually improve over time - and that older
programmers know as much (or more) than their younger peers when it
comes to recent software platforms."




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Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

[Ricardo Aráoz]

LOL
If I had a million, what makes you think I'd be trying to get more?
I'd be building a boat or sailing it.

El 30/04/13 13:47, Virgil Bierschwale escribió:

I'm trying too..
Can't find investors though...

Got a million you want to invest?

I want to hire 3 developers, a dba, and a admin person, and myself

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Yup..  but none of you two old farts is doing the hiring.
So suck it!
;cP


El 30/04/13 06:08, Dave Crozier escribió:

+1

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Bierschwale

Sent: 29 April 2013 23:13
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Amen.

That is why I use the Master to Apprentice thing all the time.
I don't care what field it is.

Somebody that has been doing things for 40 years or more knows

substantially more than a wet behind the ear kid with 4 years of theory and
zero years of experience.

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And in counter-point, "Older Is Wiser: Study Shows Software Developers'
Skills Improve Over Time"

http://news.ncsu.edu/releases/wms-murphyhill-age-2013/

"There is a perception in some tech circles that older programmers aren't

able to keep pace with rapidly changing technology, and that they are
discriminated against in the software field. But a new study from North
Carolina State University indicates that the knowledge and skills of
programmers actually improve over time - and that older programmers know as
much (or more) than their younger peers when it comes to recent software
platforms."




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Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Yup..  but none of you two old farts is doing the hiring.
So suck it!
;cP


El 30/04/13 06:08, Dave Crozier escribió:

+1

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Amen.

That is why I use the Master to Apprentice thing all the time.
I don't care what field it is.

Somebody that has been doing things for 40 years or more knows substantially 
more than a wet behind the ear kid with 4 years of theory and zero years of 
experience.

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And in counter-point, "Older Is Wiser: Study Shows Software Developers'
Skills Improve Over Time"

http://news.ncsu.edu/releases/wms-murphyhill-age-2013/

"There is a perception in some tech circles that older programmers aren't able to 
keep pace with rapidly changing technology, and that they are discriminated against in 
the software field. But a new study from North Carolina State University indicates that 
the knowledge and skills of programmers actually improve over time - and that older 
programmers know as much (or more) than their younger peers when it comes to recent 
software platforms."





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Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

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El 24/04/13 17:23, Virgil Bierschwale escribió:

Yep, I realized that as I typed it...

You have my humble apologies..



No need, you are paying for your sins right now. Good thing you are 
lucid enough to not try to deceive yourself with some other faerie story 
about it not being the system's fault. In your system everything's good 
while you don't slip, not a bit. But once you start going downhill.. 
well good luck.




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Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age

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El 24/04/13 17:19, Virgil Bierschwale escribió:

Actually that is not true at all

There is no excuse here, with an H1B they will be paying the same taxes and
living expenses you are.

http://www.irs.gov/uac/SOI-Tax-Stats-Foreign-Recipients-of-U.S.-Income-Stati
stics

Funny thing about capitalism though.

You believe in it.
You even advocate it.

Until you see the boot heels of capitalism

And then you pull your head out of the sands of denial.


That has been exactly my point through years of posting OT here.




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El 24/04/13 11:56, MB Software Solutions, LLC escribió:

On 4/24/2013 7:31 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:

 To an extent where despite being a country under an IMF
bailout with high-ish unemployment, the Googles and Microsofts who
have their European bases here often have to recruit people from
outside the country because they can't find enough people from
inside.


Sounds like the USA.  Employers can't find qualified workers here so
hence the huge clamor to raise the H1B Visa cap every year. (Rot in
hell, Carly Fiorina.

What? I thought you people believed in capitalism and free market
competition. Are you afraid to compete with foreigners? There is no excuse
here, with an H1B they will be paying the same taxes and living expenses you
are. What are you, socialists?




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Re: [NF] The Tech Industry’s Darkest Secret: It’s All About Age

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El 24/04/13 11:56, MB Software Solutions, LLC escribió:

On 4/24/2013 7:31 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
 To an extent where despite being a country under an IMF 
bailout

with high-ish unemployment, the Googles and Microsofts who have their
European bases here often have to recruit people from outside the
country because they can't find enough people from inside.



Sounds like the USA.  Employers can't find qualified workers here so 
hence the huge clamor to raise the H1B Visa cap every year. (Rot in 
hell, Carly Fiorina. 


What? I thought you people believed in capitalism and free market 
competition. Are you afraid to compete with foreigners? There is no 
excuse here, with an H1B they will be paying the same taxes and living 
expenses you are. What are you, socialists?



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Re: [NF] Also looking at the termination of the PC and how will we be poised as this happens

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 24/04/13 12:56, Alan Bourke escribió:


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013, at 04:44 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

My theory is this is not happening.

100% correct, in the world of business and the office anyway. What's
happening is that people are increasingly using tablets and smartphones
for the sort of casual use that laptops and netbooks used to be used
for, both at home, and to a lesser extent the office. Checking email,
pissing around on the internet and social media, playing games.

Anything that involves any amount of text entry will continue to happen
the way it happens now, with a mouse and keyboard.



I disagree. It's all about processing power and storage. If you have a 
tablet with good processing power (speed) and storage all you need is a 
dock station connected to a big screen and a keyboard, and then you are 
set, best of both worlds in a single device. I think text entry may be 
solved that way right now. For other stuff you might have to wait a 
little, but it'll come.




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[OT] - Boston and the police state

[Ricardo Aráoz]

http://www.ianwelsh.net/boston-is-the-end-result-of-a-broken-system/


Mmmmay the games begin



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Re: [NF] Which laptop?

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El 12/04/13 17:04, Stephen Russell escribió:

I have 12 gig on my laptop and my usage is 4-6 gig all the time.  Go for
Ram over disk IMHO



Probably right, I will look for more ram. In any case John's Dell comes 
with 8 gig so it is within these specs.



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Re: [NF] Which laptop?

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El 12/04/13 16:03, John J. Mihaljevic escribió:

I just bought a new Dell Inspiron 15R from Dell's web site. It was around
$750 with a two-year warranty. It's got 8GB RAM, a 1T HD, a 15.6"
touch-screen monitor and an i5 processor. It looks like I'm gonna get 4-5
hours on one battery charge.

After three days with it, I'm really liking it. It sounds like it fits the
description of what you're looking for, so you might wanna look into one.

Good luck!



Thanks. Looks like what I'm looking for. Do you have any idea about 
Linux compatibility of your machine?



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Re: [NF] Which laptop?

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El 12/04/13 15:04, Stephen Russell escribió:

Make sure you can up the ram to 12,16 gig.  That dive it pretty large, do
you need that or would 650 gig fit you and a backup 2TB UBS drive be
cheaper?



Checking prices locally I found out that the $ difference between 650Gb 
and 1Tb is small.



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[NF] Which laptop?

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Next month a friend of mine will be in USA and I was thinking of asking 
him to buy me a laptop.
Now first I'm not sure I can afford it so I thought about asking those 
of you in USA about prizes.
I was thinking an i3 or i5 with 4Gigs and a Tb HD. But I'm open to 
suggestions about SSD  other cpu, more RAM or whatever, so long as the 
price doesn't go too high. And I'd like one of those really thin ones if 
it is within my reach. Battery use time is important. I was thinking 
between $500 and $1000 (dollars) though I'd like to be nearer the lower 
figure.

Thanks for your help.

Ricardo


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Re: [OT] Michael Madigan's daughter in the news :-)

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 19/03/13 12:48, Michael Madigan escribió:

She's my bastard child, her mother raised her to be a Liberal since I didn't 
pay child support,


Nope! You won't get away that easy. It says here you are a Dem.
I always thought your stupid rants where just a devious way of driving 
people AWAY from the extreme right. I was spot on, it seems.




ppeared on the national stage in connection with a range of issues, including 
home foreclosures. Her father, House Speaker Michael Madigan, is the head of 
the Democratic Party in Illinois and arguably the most powerful Democrat in the 
state.




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Re: [OT] 2012 was the hottest

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 09/01/13 18:54, Michael Madigan escribió:

When did they start keeping records?




When did your mum shag for the first time?


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Re: [OT] Lesson from Latvia

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 03/01/13 01:25, Nicholas Geti escribió:

The old Communist speaks again. I thought he had gone away.


Communist? Man, you really ought to take some politics lessons. You've 
got your tags all mixed up.




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El 02/01/13 16:30, Nicholas Geti escribió:
It is time Obama, Reid and Pelosi take off their blinders and see 
reality.




When YOU win an election you may say what it's time for.
In the meanwhile shut your pie hole and stand in line.



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Re: [OT] Lesson from Latvia

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El 02/01/13 16:30, Nicholas Geti escribió:
It is time Obama, Reid and Pelosi take off their blinders and see 
reality.




When YOU win an election you may say what it's time for.
In the meanwhile shut your pie hole and stand in line.


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Re: [OT] Nice song (nice lyrics too if you know some French)

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 27/12/12 12:47, Jean MAURICE escribió:

Hi Ricardo,

I can't read spanish but this song has been recorded in 1980 
It has been a great success may be last year ... !

The Foxil


The singer was born in 1980.
Don't know about success. Listened it in my daughter's blog page 
(www.hastaprontocatalina.com) yesterday for the first time and loved it. 
Thought I might share it. The lyrics are really nice.



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[OT] Nice song (nice lyrics too if you know some French)

[Ricardo Aráoz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YFsRSgUu78



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Re: [OT] Anybody Heard About This?

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Yeah!
Stop reminding us that we should go [OT]. It's annoying and you have no 
right whatsoever.



El 23/12/12 00:52, Nicholas Geti escribió:
I know. I was just pulling your leg since you are quick to point out 
[OT] when others drift.


Nick

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On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Nicholas Geti  
wrote:



Hey. Where is the [OT]? Please.



Sorry for the thread drift -- just trying to share some holiday mirth...

Ken



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Re: [OT] More evidence that an assault rifle not used in Newtown

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 23/12/12 13:38, jerry foote escribió:

According to the ABC news report there were 4 hand guns found inside the
sandy hook school...no assault rifle..
Jerry



Right! That's a relief.
It assault rifles were not used then it's not that serious.


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Re: [OT] What about victims of Sandy the storm?

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 23/12/12 17:27, Nicholas Geti escribió:


I understand the empathy people around the world wanting to help but 
something bothers me. The people of Newtown are rather well-off and 
did not suffer any financial loss. They may need expensive counseling 
at some point that is true but 20,000 teddy bears for 26 families? 
Where is the concern for thousands of families in New Jersey and New 
York that lost their entire wealth such as homes, clothing, furniture 
and had to go live in shelters and hotels or with friends and relatives?


If they lost their homes, clothing and have no food then 20,000 teddy 
bears won't do it.

They should send them 500,000 teddy bears, or even some more.


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Re: [OT] Here is my take on gun-control

[Ricardo Aráoz]

This post got me thinking, now I've slightly changed my position in the 
guns issue.
I think it should be ENCOURAGED by government that MadAgain has as many 
handguns at home as possible. I further think banks should facilitate 
Mikey boy getting credits for the purpose of buying handguns so long as 
he has them lying around his home.




El 23/12/12 22:41, Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP escribió:
*Gun Law in Israel* 



Everybody knows that Israel has a lot of guns. But what you may not 
know - I didn't until this article 
 
- is that Israel also operates very strict control of civilian 
ammunition.


Gun owners in Israel are limited to owning one pistol, and must 
undergo extensive mental and physical tests before they can receive a 
weapon, and gun owners are limited to 50 rounds of ammunition per year.


Not all Israelis, however, may own guns. In order to own a pistol, an 
Israeli must for two years have been either a captain in the army or a 
former lieutenant colonel. Israelis with an equivalent rank in other 
security organizations may also own a pistol.


In addition, residents of West Bank settlements, and those who work 
there, may own pistols for self-defense.


David Frum is a contributing editor at /Newsweek /and The Daily Beast 
and a CNN contributor.





 Mythbusting: Israel and Switzerland are not gun-toting utopias
  



Posted by Ezra Klein 
 on 
December 14, 2012 at 5:36 pm


/My post "12 facts about guns and mass shootings 
" 
included a mention of Israel and Switzerland, societies where guns are 
reputed to be widely available, but where gun violence is rare. Janet 
Rosenbaum, an assistant professor of epidemiology at the School of 
Public Health at the State University of New York (SUNY) Downstate 
Medical Center School, has actuallyresearched this question 
, and she wrote to tell 
me I had it wrong. We spoke shortly thereafter on the phone. A lightly 
edited transcript of our conversation follows./


Ricky Carioti --- The Washington Post

*Ezra Klein: Israel and Switzerland are often mentioned as countries 
that prove that high rates of gun ownership don't necessarily lead to 
high rates of gun crime. In fact, I wrote that on Friday. But you say 
your research shows that's not true.*


Janet Rosenbaum: First of all, because they don't have high levels of 
gun ownership. The gun ownership in Israel and Switzerland has decreased.


For instance, in Israel, they're very limited in who is able to own a 
gun. There are only a few tens of thousands of legal guns in Israel, 
and the only people allowed to own them legally live in the 
settlements, do business in the settlements, or are in professions at 
risk of violence.


Both countries require you to have a reason to have a gun. There isn't 
this idea that you have a right to a gun. You need a reason. And then 
you need to go back to the permitting authority every six months or so 
to assure them the reason is still valid.


The second thing is that there's this widespread misunderstanding that 
Israel and Switzerland promote gun ownership. They don't. Ten years 
ago, when Israel had the outbreak of violence, there was an expansion 
of gun ownership, but only to people above a certain rank in the 
military. There was no sense that having ordinary citizens [carry 
guns] would make anything safer.Switzerland has also been moving away 
from having widespread guns. The laws are done canton by canton, which 
is like a province. Everyone in Switzerland serves in the army, and 
the cantons used to let you have the guns at home. They've been moving 
to keeping the guns in depots. That means they're not in the 
household, which makes sense because the literature shows us that if 
the gun is in the household, the risk goes up for everyone in the 
household.


**EK: As I understand it, there's a stronger link between guns and 
suicide than between guns and homicide. And one of the really 
interesting parts of your paper is your recounting of the Israeli 
military's effort to cut suicides among soldiers by restricting access 
to guns.**


JR: Yes, it's very striking. In Israel, it used to be that all 
soldiers would take the guns home with them. Now they have to leave 
them on base. Over the years they've done this --- it began, I think, 
in 2006 --- there's been a 60 percent decrease in suicide on weekends 
among IDS soldiers. And it did not correspond to an incre

Re: [OT] Hey, I want my 3 hots and cot!

[Ricardo Aráoz]

BTW, the "loser" mesg was addressed to the two losers who wrote before 
you did.


El 04/12/12 09:02, Adam Buckland escribió:

It's that work ethic that made America what it is today...  Anyone can be 
president... especially if you are born in Kenya, sneaked into Hawaii get your 
family to put fake birth announcements in the papers then move to Indonesia, 
change your nationality twice fake your college records, refuse to release 
records that no one has any right to demand from you and all so that in forty 
or so years' time you can become POTUS...




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You have to admire that, he got right back to work.



From: Pete Theisen 
To: ProFox Email List 
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 2:11 AM
Subject: [OT] Hey, I want my 3 hots and cot!

Hi Everybody,

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/30/oregon-inmate-released-due-to-budget-cuts-re-arrested-less-than-hour-later/?intcmp=obnetwork
-- Regards,




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Re: [OT] Hey, I want my 3 hots and cot!

[Ricardo Aráoz]

He did it TWICE!!!
HE WON TWICE, YOU LOST TWICE
Shut the pie and go to work, loser.


El 04/12/12 09:02, Adam Buckland escribió:

It's that work ethic that made America what it is today...  Anyone can be 
president... especially if you are born in Kenya, sneaked into Hawaii get your 
family to put fake birth announcements in the papers then move to Indonesia, 
change your nationality twice fake your college records, refuse to release 
records that no one has any right to demand from you and all so that in forty 
or so years' time you can become POTUS...




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You have to admire that, he got right back to work.



From: Pete Theisen 
To: ProFox Email List 
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 2:11 AM
Subject: [OT] Hey, I want my 3 hots and cot!

Hi Everybody,

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/30/oregon-inmate-released-due-to-budget-cuts-re-arrested-less-than-hour-later/?intcmp=obnetwork
-- Regards,




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Re: [OT] Criminals have nothing to fear in London

[Ricardo Aráoz]

How would I know?
It's *your* mom.

El 24/11/12 18:10, Michael Madigan escribió:

I bet she's happy.


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My ex-wife you mean? Just fine, good health. Thanks for asking.
Your mother?


El 24/11/12 10:11, Michael Madigan escribió:

How's your wife?


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Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 2:37 PM
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Hmmm. bored need to do something exciting. I know!
Bully old Fatso, and his loser friend Pete (aka "got nothing better to
do than raise controversy over the web, and feed the pigeons").






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Re: [OT] Criminals have nothing to fear in London

[Ricardo Aráoz]

My ex-wife you mean? Just fine, good health. Thanks for asking.
Your mother?


El 24/11/12 10:11, Michael Madigan escribió:

How's your wife?


- Original Message -
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Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Criminals have nothing to fear in London

Hmmm. bored need to do something exciting. I know!
Bully old Fatso, and his loser friend Pete (aka "got nothing better to
do than raise controversy over the web, and feed the pigeons").




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Re: [OT] Criminals have nothing to fear in London

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Hmmm. bored need to do something exciting. I know!
Bully old Fatso, and his loser friend Pete (aka "got nothing better to 
do than raise controversy over the web, and feed the pigeons").


El 23/11/12 16:22, Michael Madigan escribió:

This is what happens when you give people welfare, they get bored and need to 
do something exciting


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On 11/23/2012 02:03 PM, Michael Madigan wrote:

The lady was then arrested for bruising the hand of a protected minority.  She 
will spend 10 years in jail and pay restitution.Racist.

Hi Michael,

I was thinking that she looked one drop to me, and he looked two drops. Makes 
no sense since we are all related through uncle Adam and aunt Eve but . . .


http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c3#/video/world/2012/11/21/london-teenager-16-assault-walking-street.cnn

Just runs up behind her and decks her. They have a great pic of him, but they 
don't have HIM. So far, no ID from the pic.

-- Regards,

Pete




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Re: [OT] Criminals have nothing to fear in London

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 23/11/12 16:03, Michael Madigan escribió:

The lady was then arrested for bruising the hand of a protected minority.  She 
will spend 10 years in jail and pay restitution.Racist.




And of course if she had bruised *your* hand she would have no problems 
at all because you are not part of a minority. AFAIK morbid obesity is 
widespread throughout USA and is no longer a minority. Right?



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Re: Unfortunate & saddening news..

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Sad news. May he rest in peace.



On 11/22/2012 9:12 AM, Dave Crozier wrote:
Unfortunately, I have the sad task to let the group know that one of 
our members Peter Hart has passed away.


His son rang me about 20 minutes ago and let me know the news. Peter, 
as you may be aware was struck down with a heart attack some time ago 
and was recovering gradually from it but unfortunately a second 
attack was too much from him.


He leaves a wife Vera and daughter who I have passed condolences to 
on behalf of the group.


I shall certainly remember Peter best for the good times we had at 
the Prague conferences and chewing over the exploits of many 
customers. He will be missed and remembered for his laid back 
approach to life and his obvious expertise in VFP as well as his 
willingness to help out regardless of circumstances.


Rest in peace Peter, you were a special person.

Dave



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Re: Happy Thanksgiving

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 22/11/12 12:50, M Jarvis escribió:
I hope this isn't a dumb question, but do folks in other countries 
piggy back on our American holiday and do something as well? 


Not here.


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Re: [OT] Chicago machine going down

[Ricardo Aráoz]

That's transferring, i.e. when you project your hidden desires on 
somebody else.
Interesting, seeing that you've been whining and weeping like a little 
girl since Obama WON.



El 22/11/12 07:15, Michael Madigan escribió:

Hopefully he'll be raped repeatedly in prison



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Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Chicago machine going down

It runs in the family. He is bi-polar because he has committed so many crimes 
he cannot keep them straight in his head but wants to stay out of jail.


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To: "ProFox Email List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 12:37 AM
Subject: [OT] Chicago machine going down



Hi Everybody,

May Obama be next . . .

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/21/15339587-rep-jesse-jackson-jr-resigns-from-congress?lite
-- Regards,

Pete





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Re: [OT] Chicago machine going down

[Ricardo Aráoz]

And yet.  Y O UL O S T ! ! ! ! ! !


El 22/11/12 02:44, Nicholas Geti escribió:
It runs in the family. He is bi-polar because he has committed so many 
crimes he cannot keep them straight in his head but wants to stay out 
of jail.



- Original Message - From: "Pete Theisen" 


To: "ProFox Email List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 12:37 AM
Subject: [OT] Chicago machine going down



Hi Everybody,

May Obama be next . . .

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/21/15339587-rep-jesse-jackson-jr-resigns-from-congress?lite 


--
Regards,

Pete





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Re: [OT] Say What?

[Ricardo Aráoz]

But despite any argument... Y O UL O S T ! ! ! !



El 19/11/12 13:01, Michael Oke, II escribió:

Once again, I didn't run so I couldn't have lost. Wow, your inability to 
comprehend the simplest point is baffling.

I was merely adding to the conundrum of voter fraud.

Now, back to your bottle.


Michael Oke, II
661-349-6221

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On Nov 19, 2012, at 4:08 AM, Ricardo Aráoz  wrote:


And yet... Y O UL O S T ! ! ! !

El 18/11/12 19:33, Michael Oke, II escribió:

900 ballots for 7 registered voters?

http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2012/11/18/allen-west-recount-update-7-registered-voters-and-900-ballots-cast-voter-fraud-alert/





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Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 18/11/12 01:33, Charlie Coleman escribió:

At 09:07 AM 11/17/2012 -0600, lelandj wrote:

Leland, try to take off your liberal-at-any-cost hat for a moment and 
think sincerely about the following:


Petraeus may have done a lot of good things but his resignation is 
appropriate. And the revealing of it by the Intelligence Community 
is absolutely right and just.

...
Why should one group of Americans be held to a higher standard than 
the whole.  Why should the government, including the intelligence 
community, be allow to meddle into the personal affairs of 
Americans?  LOL - pun intended.  The founding fathers of the USA, 
having experienced first hand persecution, torture, alienation, and 
other injustice from their governments, put strong privacy 
protections into the USA Constitution to protect Americans against an 
overreaching government.

...
First, the "why". Why should government officials be held to a higher 
standard? Because their office reflects a trust of the citizens. I 
hold my trusted friends to a higher standard of conduct with me than, 
say, I expect out of total strangers. So to me, if I give you my trust 
you should expect that I expect more out of you. I believe our 
Founding Fathers saw it this way as well: their correspondence intoned 
a public office in our union engendered the utmost responsibility to 
those governed. Next, governmental positions have power over others. 
So any given action they take has a far greater potential to affect 
people than just an average citizen.


Absolutely agree!
You don't want a country where govt officials are not held accountable. 
Trust me, I do live in one such country.




The above is the general ethical/moral view. But lets talk about 
common sense for a moment. Any official that commits illegal, 
unethical, or even anything that may be personally embarrassing 
becomes a risk to their office. They become a target for blackmail or 
bribery. For example, a city councilman has an affair with an underage 
girl. A certain shady set of folks get photos and threaten to go 
public if the councilman doesn't change his vote on a zoning issue. 
The same scenario holds for those with access to classified 
information. This is the common sense reason why they must be held to 
higher codes of conduct. If you don't want to live by that code, don't 
try to get a job with the government.


Now I think this is a little too much. Illegal, ok as we just said he 
should be held accountable. But personal embarrassment? If he helds an 
elected position he might not be voted next time, but we should not 
overreact. Besides, who decides what is embarrassing and what is not? You?
Any officer may be target to bribery, has nothing to do with 
embarrassment. As for blackmail, if embarrassing acts are not punishable 
then there is nothing to blackmail him with.
You Yanks are  obsessed with sex and stuff, probably should have dated 
more when you where young.


How about you get a brain Leland? The fact that we're NOT the Taliban 
means our government officials MUST answer to us. If we were a 
dictatorship or socialistic government then sure, the folks in charge 
could do whatever they want to whomever they want whenever they want. 
Think about that for at least a couple minutes.


Actually, Taliban officials MUST answer for their actions, and if they 
behave against the Kuran they will certainly be killed.




But I imagine you would be the first in line to string up an official 
that didn't share your liberal bias. You're a walking contradiction to 
rational thinking. And like I said, you're not alone. There's a bunch 
of other people out there that's let their mind deteriorate to the 
point of just repeating the brief snippets they get from their 
favorite liberal news outlet or web site.


I see, so the only people who just repeat "the brief snippets they get" 
are liberals? LOL




And for me personally I'm totally at peace that things will be OK. A 
thousand years from now this situation will be meaningless to me. 


Yep, a thousand years from now the fact that YOU LOST to Obama will be 
meaningless. So why don't you stop whining right now?




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Re: [OT] Say What?

[Ricardo Aráoz]

And yet... Y O UL O S T ! ! ! !

El 18/11/12 19:33, Michael Oke, II escribió:

900 ballots for 7 registered voters?

http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2012/11/18/allen-west-recount-update-7-registered-voters-and-900-ballots-cast-voter-fraud-alert/





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Re: [OT] Some things to expect

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 15/11/12 06:55, Michael Madigan escribió:

1.  Obama is on the side of the Muslim Arabs, they paid for his education, he 
bows to his masters in public.

2.  Obama has been taught to hate Israel from the time he was a very young boy.

3.  Obama is the AntiChrist describe by Saint John the Divine of Patmos and  
Nostradamus.

4.  There is no way to stop this, it is written so shall it be done.



All right, I believe you. There's no way to stop Obama.
Now, can YOU please stop this bs? Is there a way to do this?
Besides, if you really believe there's no stopping this, then why keep 
whining in this list?

Are you dumb? -- (Mickey's voice) -- Dumb is what dumb does --


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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 13/11/12 17:58, Nicholas Geti escribió:
Half the country including me voted against Obama. Plus I will 
continue talking to me friends and subscribing to those hated 
conservative TV stations and news magazines. It takes longer to make 
changes when half the country votes opposite to me.

Nicholas Geti


No. Less than half. He won! So he must have gotten more votes than you 
people.
Are you going to keep whining and moaning and weeping like little girls 
for another 4 years?

Pussies!


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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

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El 12/11/12 22:31, Michael Madigan escribió:

It's tough having an argument with Geoff since he is so misinformed on general 
knowledge.



Whereas you are only misinformed on particular knowledge.
...
..
.
Particular to human beings I mean.


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Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Hey! I was congratulating you on your studies man!
Anyway there are no llamas here, that's in the Andes and I'm at sea level.
Well, I guess you haven't studied geography yet. But hold on!
Eventually you might even get an education. Good for you!



El 12/11/12 17:37, Michael Madigan escribió:

How is your wife, the llama, doing?



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Wow!!!
CONVOLUTED
That's more than two syllables Mike, are you attending school again?
Congratulations! Good for you. You'll make us all proud.


El 12/11/12 08:21, Michael Madigan escribió:

You can't possibly earn a living with that convoluted mind.




From: geoff 
To: 'ProFox Email List' 
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 4:51 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

You have an amazing ability to morph any comment, any fact and any
information into redneck-speak.

Enjoy FOUR MORE YEARS, because after that comes 8 years of Hillary Clinton.
The republicans are unelectable.

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Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 6:00 PM
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So it's better to kill yourself by hanging or by slitting your wrists than
by gunshot.  Gotcha.



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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:02 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

The astonishing thing is the 'thats a good result!' response. The ENTIRE gun
deaths figures include accidents and suicides. The figure you quote is ONLY
homicide.

and its only 8-10 times per capita the rate in places like UK and australia.
yep... guns really keep you safe!!!

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Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 3:47 PM
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Geoff is a slow learner.   We've posted this for him over and over.




From: "Michael Oke, II" 
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Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

2010 numbers from the FBI says 8,775.


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On Nov 11, 2012, at 8:12 PM, "geoff"  wrote:


We had this debate and Im not going to do it again. We went to your
own USA official statistics to confirm. You however wanted to use NRA
figures and where's the surprise that they are orders of magnitude

different?





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Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Wow!!!
CONVOLUTED
That's more than two syllables Mike, are you attending school again?
Congratulations! Good for you. You'll make us all proud.


El 12/11/12 08:21, Michael Madigan escribió:

You can't possibly earn a living with that convoluted mind.




From: geoff 
To: 'ProFox Email List' 
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 4:51 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

You have an amazing ability to morph any comment, any fact and any
information into redneck-speak.

Enjoy FOUR MORE YEARS, because after that comes 8 years of Hillary Clinton.
The republicans are unelectable.

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Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 6:00 PM
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So it's better to kill yourself by hanging or by slitting your wrists than
by gunshot.  Gotcha.



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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:02 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

The astonishing thing is the 'thats a good result!' response. The ENTIRE gun
deaths figures include accidents and suicides. The figure you quote is ONLY
homicide.

and its only 8-10 times per capita the rate in places like UK and australia.
yep... guns really keep you safe!!!

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From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 3:47 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

Geoff is a slow learner.   We've posted this for him over and over.




From: "Michael Oke, II" 
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Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

2010 numbers from the FBI says 8,775.


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We had this debate and Im not going to do it again. We went to your
own USA official statistics to confirm. You however wanted to use NRA
figures and where's the surprise that they are orders of magnitude

different?




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Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks

[Ricardo Aráoz]

No, haven't seen it, but will see if any of the cable signals has got it.
Nevertheless I've seen hundreds of series and movies where yanks extoll 
vigilantism, justify police power abuse and entrapment, and countless 
other practices that go against freedom and democracy under the excuse 
that the system does not work.
And then they fill their mouths saying they fight for freedom, or 
democracy, as if they were the only democratic or free country. They are 
also dumb enough to equate both words, which is of course a major stupidity.



El 09/11/12 18:32, geoff escribió:

Its a pretty bad sign I admit... Have you seen the new TV show 'last
Resort'? 10 years ago such a show would be viewed as silly fiction. Now it
is being made because of an intense distrust - among americans - of their
democratic institutions.

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Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012 7:37 AM
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But they are the "free" world. LOL
With Guantanamo, the patriot's act, police brutality, etc. Just another
police state.

El 09/11/12 17:31, geoff escribió:

I live in australia. We would be unlucky to queue 30 minutes to vote.
We know how many people are going to vote so we staff the polling
booths accordingly. I struggle to understand how such a simple supply
and demand equation can so elude so many american voting authorities.
Mind you we have ONE electoral authority while I am guessing you have
somewhere between 50 and 200? A bit like you have 7000 police forces and

we have 7.

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On 11/09/2012 06:10 AM, geoff wrote:

They were hanging back from counting in case florida went down to the
wire and they could cheat... again.

And think about it... doesnt that just have that delicious taste of
truth about it?

The Florida voting process seemed to deliberately be trying to
suppress the vote by  making the process inefficient, resulting in
long lines that could take up to seven or eight hours to reach the
voting booth.  LOL

Regards,

LelandJ


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Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 6:23 PM
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On 11/09/2012 01:37 AM, Pete Theisen wrote:

On 11/09/2012 02:30 AM, lelandj wrote:


Pete, can't Florida get her voting system together?  LOL

I'm glad the election didn't come down to Florida's 29 electoral
votes; because, I'm pretty sure the Republican controlled state
would have followed along the lines of the 2000 election that put
GWB in office.

Finally; three hours ago:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results

What would Texas have done, given that close a result?

Perhaps the Florida officials responsible for running the elections
should consult with an expert on the subject to find opportunities
how the Florida voting system might be improved.  I'm sure there
are some fine experts, as the other 49 states, including NY and NJ,
that were ravaged by hurricane Sandy, got it right.

Ducked the question, as usual. You don't know about your own state,
do you.

What does the election being close have to do with how long it take
to count the votes?  LOL  It should only delay calling the election
by projection, until all votes are counted, which should have
occurred election night.  No recount was involved.

Regards,

LelandJ





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Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks

[Ricardo Aráoz]

But they are the "free" world. LOL
With Guantanamo, the patriot's act, police brutality, etc. Just another 
police state.


El 09/11/12 17:31, geoff escribió:

I live in australia. We would be unlucky to queue 30 minutes to vote. We
know how many people are going to vote so we staff the polling booths
accordingly. I struggle to understand how such a simple supply and demand
equation can so elude so many american voting authorities. Mind you we have
ONE electoral authority while I am guessing you have somewhere between 50
and 200? A bit like you have 7000 police forces and we have 7.

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Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012 12:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks

On 11/09/2012 06:10 AM, geoff wrote:

They were hanging back from counting in case florida went down to the
wire and they could cheat... again.

And think about it... doesnt that just have that delicious taste of
truth about it?

The Florida voting process seemed to deliberately be trying to suppress the
vote by  making the process inefficient, resulting in long lines that could
take up to seven or eight hours to reach the voting booth.  LOL

Regards,

LelandJ


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Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 6:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks

On 11/09/2012 01:37 AM, Pete Theisen wrote:

On 11/09/2012 02:30 AM, lelandj wrote:


Pete, can't Florida get her voting system together?  LOL

I'm glad the election didn't come down to Florida's 29 electoral
votes; because, I'm pretty sure the Republican controlled state
would have followed along the lines of the 2000 election that put
GWB in office.

Finally; three hours ago:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results

What would Texas have done, given that close a result?

Perhaps the Florida officials responsible for running the elections
should consult with an expert on the subject to find opportunities
how the Florida voting system might be improved.  I'm sure there are
some fine experts, as the other 49 states, including NY and NJ, that
were ravaged by hurricane Sandy, got it right.

Ducked the question, as usual. You don't know about your own state,
do you.

What does the election being close have to do with how long it take to
count the votes?  LOL  It should only delay calling the election by
projection, until all votes are counted, which should have occurred
election night.  No recount was involved.

Regards,

LelandJ





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Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks

[Ricardo Aráoz]

You are until you show us proof of your birth certificate.


El 09/11/12 15:57, Michael Oke, II escribió:

Well, since I'm not (an african foreigner that is) that allows me to have a say.

Now back to your bottle.


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El 09/11/12 15:24, Michael Oke, II escribió:

Why should criminals (felons specifically) be allowed to vote?

Why should African foreigners (you specifically) have a say?






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Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks

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El 09/11/12 15:24, Michael Oke, II escribió:

Why should criminals (felons specifically) be allowed to vote?




Why should African foreigners (you specifically) have a say?


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Re: [OT] Good explanation

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 09/11/12 12:35, Nicholas Geti escribió:

Here is an excellent analysis of why Mitt lost the election.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/why-romney-lost-obama/2012/11/07/id/463241?s=al&promo_code=109FA-1 



Biggest reason is that Obama attack ads sank Mitt early on. People 
believe anything if it is repeated enough and Mitt never responded.


So basically to you Reps people are a stupid pack of sheep that will 
only vote for the smartest operator.

Maybe THAT'S why people turned their backs to you.

On the one hand you fill your mouths with big words like democracy, 
freedom, etc. But on the other hand you seem to think people are a 
stupid pack to be led by social engineering. Which kind of sinks the 
other big words, makes them worthless. What you are saying really is 
"the only smart people are me and a few others, the rest are there to be 
*managed*"

Not a real democrat you are now, are you?



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Re: [OT] The delete key is my friend.

[Ricardo Aráoz]

If only they were savage enough to round you up and put you out of your 
misery.


El 09/11/12 00:18, Michael Madigan escribió:

Isn't it great that savages get to decide an election?



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I am just afraid that the results will be to close for one reason
or another and we will go all stupid again.  Florida ballot mess comes
to mind.

Isn't it nice that this year's Florida mess doesn't matter?




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Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 09/11/12 01:33, Michael Madigan escribió:

America will now look like Detroit, Memphis, Camden, and Baltimore.



Oh God! Other 4 years of whining and weeping like a sissy? Can't you at 
least try being a man?



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Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

[Ricardo Aráoz]

And still... YOU LOST ! ! ! ! ! ! !
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


El 08/11/12 08:00, Michael Madigan escribió:

His head is stuck in his ass too



From: "Michael Oke, II" 
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Subject: Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

Your R key is stuck.


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El 07/11/12 15:37, Michael Oke, II escribió:

The word is lose. But no I didn't lose as I wasn't running for election. Back 
to your bottle.

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Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

[Ricardo Aráoz]

El 07/11/12 17:03, Paul Hill escribió:

The phrase is "couldn't care less".  "could care less" means the opposite.

On 7 November 2012 18:38, Michael Oke, II  wrote:


I've been to Africa and I prefer the North American continent.  I could
care less what you want as pertains to me. You have zero choice in where l
live.



You have to understand the poor African kid Paul. English is his fourth 
dialect.



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Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

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El 07/11/12 15:37, Michael Oke, II escribió:

The word is lose. But no I didn't lose as I wasn't running for election. Back 
to your bottle.




L O S E R R R R R R R R R R R ! ! ! ! !


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