Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Kurt @ VR-FX]

Yeah - I know - that's why I suggested Burial @ Sea!
-K-

On 11/29/2012 9:53 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX  wrote:


attached to OTHER Computers - it could NOT be seen. Although - not sure
what you mean about a Return policy - as the HD is probably like 5 years
old by now...


5 years old.  That drive is toast from what you have posted.








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RE: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Richard Kaye]

Absolutely. Not to beat a dead drive here but what you need is a pro service 
that will physically disassemble the drive in a clean room environment, remove 
the platter(s) and place them in a functional controller/drive housing, read 
the data and dump out to some other storage. If the platters are physically 
damaged, some or all of the data won't be recoverable. Not cheap but if you 
really need what's on there then you can justify the cost. 

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Well - since I do live on Long Island - maybe I should throw it into the ocean 
and have a burial at Sea!

Others suggested I bring it to Best Buy - and have a GEEK see if they can 
access it. From what people now wrote - seems that would be a waste of time! 
Agreed???

:-(
-K-


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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Ken Dibble]

Others suggested I bring it to Best Buy - and have a GEEK see if they can 
access it. From what people now wrote - seems that would be a waste of 
time! Agreed???


The geek is probably going to charge you $90.00 just to look at it, shake 
his head, and tell you to tank it. Unless what's on there is worth 
considerably more than that, I'd say cut your losses now.


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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Kurt @ VR-FX]

Well - since I do live on Long Island - maybe I should throw it into the 
ocean and have a burial at Sea!


Others suggested I bring it to Best Buy - and have a GEEK see if they 
can access it. From what people now wrote - seems that would be a waste 
of time! Agreed???


:-(
-K-


On 11/28/2012 8:06 PM, Ken Dibble wrote:


Loud clicking noises probably mean you're crashing the heads into the 
platters or the walls of the drive. Either way, I think you've got a 
significant hardware problem and should probably start writing a 
eulogy...


That is a DEAD parrot!

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RE: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Ken Dibble]

Loud clicking noises probably mean you're crashing the heads into the 
platters or the walls of the drive. Either way, I think you've got a 
significant hardware problem and should probably start writing a eulogy...


That is a DEAD parrot!

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RE: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Richard Kaye]

Loud clicking noises probably mean you're crashing the heads into the platters 
or the walls of the drive. Either way, I think you've got a significant 
hardware problem and should probably start writing a eulogy...

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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:27 PM
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> Put drive in ziplock bag with a tiny bit of rice in it.

Well - this SUCKS! I put Rice in the bag, froze it over Several hours - and 
just tried it. It was actually worse - since, now - there was a louder CLICKing 
noise that was occurring - and, still - the BIOS would NOT see the drive!!!


> Will that drive bee seen in another computer?  If not you need a 
> return policy.

Even attached to OTHER Computers - it could NOT be seen. Although - not sure 
what you mean about a Return policy - as the HD is probably like 5 years old by 
now...

-K-


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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Kurt @ VR-FX]

On 11/27/2012 9:35 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX  wrote:


Hey Richard,

Thank you SO MUCH for thinking about me & my problem. To be honest - the
problem has still not been resolved. It was suggested I bring it to Best
Buy and let one of the Geeks look at it - but, I have yet to do that. It
was also suggested to put it into the Freezer. But, then, people warned I
have to worry about moisture occurring. However, I would have no control
over moisture occurring - and AFAIK - nothing I can do IF IT actually
occurs. So - I haven't even tried that trick yet.

Lastly - for this SW tool - problem is - if the BIOS won't even see the
Drive - how can this tool possibly see it??? Not that I want to completely
dump on your suggestion - I will still try it - as I already did download
the program.
---


Put drive in ziplock bag with a tiny bit of rice in it.


Well - this SUCKS! I put Rice in the bag, froze it over Several hours - 
and just tried it. It was actually worse - since, now - there was a 
louder CLICKing noise that was occurring - and, still - the BIOS would 
NOT see the drive!!!




Will that drive bee seen in another computer?  If not you need a return
policy.


Even attached to OTHER Computers - it could NOT be seen. Although - not 
sure what you mean about a Return policy - as the HD is probably like 5 
years old by now...


-K-




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RE: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Richard Kaye]

If the BIOS won't see the disk at all, that smells like the embedded controller 
is fried. If that's the case, you're out of luck without using a professional 
data recovery service that can pull the physical platter(s) out of the drive.

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Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 2:30 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

Everything seems to point to the HD. I have booted with the WinXP Pro-64 
Install CD, and it runs, and it even begins the process to attempt to fix the 
HD - but, it won't see the HD. When I go into the Bios - again - it won't "See" 
the HD. I attempt to Auto Discover it - but, I get nothing. I connect my other 
HD - which is just Data - and it DOES see that HD. The bad HD, I listened to it 
starting up - as suggested here - and it spins up - and it does the clicking 
noises as it should - but, NOTHING after that...

Am going to attempt to Try the Freezer trick today.

-K-


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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Kurt @ VR-FX]

I'm still unemployed - so, I can't possibly spend that kinda money. A 
LOT of the stuff on the HD - its stuff I was working on - on my laptop - 
so, a lot of it I DO have. I won't die if the HD is dead completely - 
but, it will most truly still SUCK!


-K-


On 11/27/2012 9:07 AM, Richard Kaye wrote:

Don't know to be honest. But it's free if you install it today. :-)

Seriously, if you *really* need to recover data you may just have to spend the 
money and send the drive to a professional data recovery service.

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Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 8:52 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

Hey Richard,

Thank you SO MUCH for thinking about me & my problem. To be honest - the 
problem has still not been resolved. It was suggested I bring it to Best Buy and 
let one of the Geeks look at it - but, I have yet to do that. It was also suggested 
to put it into the Freezer. But, then, people warned I have to worry about moisture 
occurring. However, I would have no control over moisture occurring - and AFAIK - 
nothing I can do IF IT actually occurs. So - I haven't even tried that trick yet.

Lastly - for this SW tool - problem is - if the BIOS won't even see the Drive - 
how can this tool possibly see it??? Not that I want to completely dump on your 
suggestion - I will still try it - as I already did download the program.

Thanks again,
-K-


On 11/27/2012 8:16 AM, Richard Kaye wrote:

Hi Kurt,

Not sure if you're still trying to recover this data on your own but today's 
GOTD tool may help.

http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/hdd-mechanic/

--
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Kurt @ VR-FX
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:34 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER Found it very helpful...

-K-



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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Kurt @ VR-FX]

Thanks for the suggestion Steven - I hadn 't though about that - even 
though it was my sister who suggested the Rice trick - with a Damp 
Kindle that wasn't working right - and it DID seem to pull out moisture! 
So - I shall try it with my HD...


-K-


On 11/27/2012 9:35 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX  wrote:


Hey Richard,

Thank you SO MUCH for thinking about me & my problem. To be honest - the
problem has still not been resolved. It was suggested I bring it to Best
Buy and let one of the Geeks look at it - but, I have yet to do that. It
was also suggested to put it into the Freezer. But, then, people warned I
have to worry about moisture occurring. However, I would have no control
over moisture occurring - and AFAIK - nothing I can do IF IT actually
occurs. So - I haven't even tried that trick yet.

Lastly - for this SW tool - problem is - if the BIOS won't even see the
Drive - how can this tool possibly see it??? Not that I want to completely
dump on your suggestion - I will still try it - as I already did download
the program.
---


Put drive in ziplock bag with a tiny bit of rice in it.

Will that drive bee seen in another computer?  If not you need a return
policy.





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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Kurt @ VR-FX]

Everything seems to point to the HD. I have booted with the WinXP Pro-64 
Install CD, and it runs, and it even begins the process to attempt to 
fix the HD - but, it won't see the HD. When I go into the Bios - again - 
it won't "See" the HD. I attempt to Auto Discover it - but, I get 
nothing. I connect my other HD - which is just Data - and it DOES see 
that HD. The bad HD, I listened to it starting up - as suggested here - 
and it spins up - and it does the clicking noises as it should - but, 
NOTHING after that...


Am going to attempt to Try the Freezer trick today.

-K-

On 11/27/2012 2:16 PM, Joe Yoder wrote:

Kurt,

You might try booting the machine from a cd, floppy,  or usb drive to see
if the machine itself is stable.  I have had several machines lately with
motherboard or processor issues where they work very slowly and fail at
random points.  Sometimes it is a power supply that causes this behavior
and sometimes something on the motherboard.

Joe

On Wednesday, November 14, 2012  4:10 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:

Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:10:37 -0500
From: Kurt @ VR-FX
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
cc:
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

OK - am trying Ur suggestion - I have that webpage open. Funny thing is.
I booted with the WinXP CD - and it came up with a bunch of options on a
blue screen. I actually let is sit there - while I was on the phone with
a Dr. office - but, while I was still on the phone - its like after a
period of time - the PC just Shut Down or powered off! I find that
strange - and did NOT Think that should happen while I was at that Blue
screen.

Does that sound strange to U as well? Maybe signaling a Deeper problem?

FYI - I am by No Means a PC HW expert. Although, this machine with the
problems - it actually IS One that I built a number of years ago...

-K-


On 11/14/2012 3:43 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Safe Mode is good when you have a device driver that has gone off the
reservation. Like a scanner or some other non-essential device.

Mike

 Original Message ----
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 2:33 PM
I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER Found it very helpful...

-K-


On 11/14/2012 3:16 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:

Have you tried booting Windoze in Safe Mode?
   --
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Kurt @ VR-FX
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:18 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

YEah - but, that's doesn't solve the main problem - that this PC
won't boot. Also, there is CG SW that's locked to that PC - and its
Another reason why I really want to get that PC running again.

It was initially suggested that I run a ChkDsk on the boot HD in
question - the do a Windows repair - to try and get it working again
- and keep all data & SW still functional - so, this is what I am
still after.

-K-




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[Joe Yoder]

Kurt,

You might try booting the machine from a cd, floppy,  or usb drive to see
if the machine itself is stable.  I have had several machines lately with
motherboard or processor issues where they work very slowly and fail at
random points.  Sometimes it is a power supply that causes this behavior
and sometimes something on the motherboard.

Joe

On Wednesday, November 14, 2012  4:10 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:
>
>Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:10:37 -0500
>From: Kurt @ VR-FX
>To: profoxt...@leafe.com
>cc:
>Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
>
>OK - am trying Ur suggestion - I have that webpage open. Funny thing is.
>I booted with the WinXP CD - and it came up with a bunch of options on a
>blue screen. I actually let is sit there - while I was on the phone with
>a Dr. office - but, while I was still on the phone - its like after a
>period of time - the PC just Shut Down or powered off! I find that
>strange - and did NOT Think that should happen while I was at that Blue
>screen.
>
>Does that sound strange to U as well? Maybe signaling a Deeper problem?
>
>FYI - I am by No Means a PC HW expert. Although, this machine with the
>problems - it actually IS One that I built a number of years ago...
>
>-K-
>
>
>On 11/14/2012 3:43 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:
>> Safe Mode is good when you have a device driver that has gone off the
>> reservation. Like a scanner or some other non-essential device.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
>> From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
>> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
>> Date: 11/14/2012 2:33 PM
>> I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER Found it very helpful...
>>
>> -K-
>>
>>
>> On 11/14/2012 3:16 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:
>>> Have you tried booting Windoze in Safe Mode?
>>>   --
>>> rk
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-
>>> From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Kurt @ VR-FX
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:18 PM
>>> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
>>> Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
>>>
>>> YEah - but, that's doesn't solve the main problem - that this PC
>>> won't boot. Also, there is CG SW that's locked to that PC - and its
>>> Another reason why I really want to get that PC running again.
>>>
>>> It was initially suggested that I run a ChkDsk on the boot HD in
>>> question - the do a Windows repair - to try and get it working again
>>> - and keep all data & SW still functional - so, this is what I am
>>> still after.
>>>
>>> -K-
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Pete Theisen]

On 11/27/2012 08:52 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:

Hey Richard,

Thank you SO MUCH for thinking about me & my problem. To be honest - the
problem has still not been resolved. It was suggested I bring it to Best
Buy and let one of the Geeks look at it - but, I have yet to do that. It
was also suggested to put it into the Freezer. But, then, people warned
I have to worry about moisture


Hi Kurt,

I routinely freeze food in freezer bags. When the food is removed from 
the freezer the moisture forms on the outside of the bag, not the food 
itself. If you keep wiping off the bag until it stops gathering the 
moisture then the OUTSIDE of the drive would be more or less room 
temperature but the inside would still be quite cold.


Just a thought.
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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Stephen Russell]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX  wrote:

> Hey Richard,
>
> Thank you SO MUCH for thinking about me & my problem. To be honest - the
> problem has still not been resolved. It was suggested I bring it to Best
> Buy and let one of the Geeks look at it - but, I have yet to do that. It
> was also suggested to put it into the Freezer. But, then, people warned I
> have to worry about moisture occurring. However, I would have no control
> over moisture occurring - and AFAIK - nothing I can do IF IT actually
> occurs. So - I haven't even tried that trick yet.
>
> Lastly - for this SW tool - problem is - if the BIOS won't even see the
> Drive - how can this tool possibly see it??? Not that I want to completely
> dump on your suggestion - I will still try it - as I already did download
> the program.
> ---


Put drive in ziplock bag with a tiny bit of rice in it.

Will that drive bee seen in another computer?  If not you need a return
policy.


-- 
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Sr. Analyst
Ring Container Technology
Oakland TN

901.246-0159 cell


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[Richard Kaye]

Don't know to be honest. But it's free if you install it today. :-)

Seriously, if you *really* need to recover data you may just have to spend the 
money and send the drive to a professional data recovery service.

--
rk

-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt @ VR-FX
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 8:52 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

Hey Richard,

Thank you SO MUCH for thinking about me & my problem. To be honest - the 
problem has still not been resolved. It was suggested I bring it to Best Buy 
and let one of the Geeks look at it - but, I have yet to do that. It was also 
suggested to put it into the Freezer. But, then, people warned I have to worry 
about moisture occurring. However, I would have no control over moisture 
occurring - and AFAIK - nothing I can do IF IT actually occurs. So - I haven't 
even tried that trick yet.

Lastly - for this SW tool - problem is - if the BIOS won't even see the Drive - 
how can this tool possibly see it??? Not that I want to completely dump on your 
suggestion - I will still try it - as I already did download the program.

Thanks again,
-K-


On 11/27/2012 8:16 AM, Richard Kaye wrote:
> Hi Kurt,
>
> Not sure if you're still trying to recover this data on your own but today's 
> GOTD tool may help.
>
> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/hdd-mechanic/
>
> --
> rk
> -Original Message-
> From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kurt @ VR-FX
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:34 PM
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
>
> I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER Found it very helpful...
>
> -K-
>
>
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Hey Richard,

Thank you SO MUCH for thinking about me & my problem. To be honest - the 
problem has still not been resolved. It was suggested I bring it to Best 
Buy and let one of the Geeks look at it - but, I have yet to do that. It 
was also suggested to put it into the Freezer. But, then, people warned 
I have to worry about moisture occurring. However, I would have no 
control over moisture occurring - and AFAIK - nothing I can do IF IT 
actually occurs. So - I haven't even tried that trick yet.


Lastly - for this SW tool - problem is - if the BIOS won't even see the 
Drive - how can this tool possibly see it??? Not that I want to 
completely dump on your suggestion - I will still try it - as I already 
did download the program.


Thanks again,
-K-


On 11/27/2012 8:16 AM, Richard Kaye wrote:

Hi Kurt,

Not sure if you're still trying to recover this data on your own but today's 
GOTD tool may help.

http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/hdd-mechanic/

--
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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:34 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER Found it very helpful...

-K-



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Hi Kurt,

Not sure if you're still trying to recover this data on your own but today's 
GOTD tool may help.

http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/hdd-mechanic/

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I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER Found it very helpful...

-K-


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Beware of moisture that starts to build up when you took the drive out
of the freezer... :)

On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX  wrote:
> HEy Mike - thanks for all this advice. I figured if I DID put it in the
> freezer - I would 1st put it in a Zip Lock baggie.
>
> Agreed about last resorts - and I think that I may just go ahead and bring
> it to the psuedo techies @ Best Buy - as there is one right near me!



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HEy Mike - thanks for all this advice. I figured if I DID put it in the 
freezer - I would 1st put it in a Zip Lock baggie.


Agreed about last resorts - and I think that I may just go ahead and 
bring it to the psuedo techies @ Best Buy - as there is one right near me!


-K-

On 11/16/2012 4:03 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Put it in a freezer, several hours, take it out, hook it up, power on.

Butkeep everything DRY (when you take it out, it may try to frost 
up in the room air humidity) and work fast because if it is going to 
help, as the device warms up inside, whatever was causing it to fail 
will likely recur.


Also, be aware that the more "stuff" you try, the more you likely 
guarantee that the drive is toast. So, if it really has something of 
high value, save the "extreme solutions" for last.

Way last.

Before you do anything else, at least take it to a local Best Buy and 
have a Geek-idiot connect it to a drive analyzer or something to test 
it. In other words, make sure you're really actually working with a 
rock before you chunk it into the river (metaphorically speaking.)


Mike

 Original Message ----
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 2:54 PM
Ah - it looks like U R actually SERIOUS about this strange approach! 
So - if you don't mind my asking - what exactly is the "deep freeze 
procedure"???


...if it doesn't work - next - I'm going to build a Pyramid on my Bot 
and see if Pyramid-Power can solve the problem! Hell - MUST less messy 
than that Goat Slaughter approach!:-)


-K-


On 11/16/2012 12:30 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote:
I've had pretty good results with the deep freeze procedure. Drive 
rarely lives long but long enough to grab the necessary data.



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On Nov 16, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Mike Copeland  wrote:

...and then there's the deep-freeze approach, and don't forget the 
"swimin-wit-da-fishes" method.


Of course, we are into some pretty extreme "solutions" here that 
produce rare results! But when it works, it's sweet!


Mike

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: John Weller 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 2:56 AM

That is (was?) a well-known technique referred to as 'percussion 
adjustment'

:-)

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631


My father would sometimes give non-responsive radios a fair wack by

lifting

and then giving it a not so gentle slam against the table.  The 
darn thing
would then work after plugging it in.  As a small child I thought 
it was

magic...


Maybe you wan'a try that!!! :) LOL

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[Mike Copeland]

Put it in a freezer, several hours, take it out, hook it up, power on.

Butkeep everything DRY (when you take it out, it may try to frost up 
in the room air humidity) and work fast because if it is going to help, 
as the device warms up inside, whatever was causing it to fail will 
likely recur.


Also, be aware that the more "stuff" you try, the more you likely 
guarantee that the drive is toast. So, if it really has something of 
high value, save the "extreme solutions" for last.

Way last.

Before you do anything else, at least take it to a local Best Buy and 
have a Geek-idiot connect it to a drive analyzer or something to test 
it. In other words, make sure you're really actually working with a rock 
before you chunk it into the river (metaphorically speaking.)


Mike

 Original Message ----
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 2:54 PM
Ah - it looks like U R actually SERIOUS about this strange approach! So 
- if you don't mind my asking - what exactly is the "deep freeze 
procedure"???


...if it doesn't work - next - I'm going to build a Pyramid on my Bot 
and see if Pyramid-Power can solve the problem! Hell - MUST less messy 
than that Goat Slaughter approach!:-)


-K-


On 11/16/2012 12:30 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote:
I've had pretty good results with the deep freeze procedure. Drive 
rarely lives long but long enough to grab the necessary data.



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On Nov 16, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Mike Copeland  wrote:

...and then there's the deep-freeze approach, and don't forget the 
"swimin-wit-da-fishes" method.


Of course, we are into some pretty extreme "solutions" here that 
produce rare results! But when it works, it's sweet!


Mike

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: John Weller 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 2:56 AM

That is (was?) a well-known technique referred to as 'percussion 
adjustment'

:-)

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631


My father would sometimes give non-responsive radios a fair wack by

lifting

and then giving it a not so gentle slam against the table.  The darn 
thing
would then work after plugging it in.  As a small child I thought it 
was

magic...


Maybe you wan'a try that!!! :) LOL

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[Kurt @ VR-FX]

Ah - it looks like U R actually SERIOUS about this strange approach! So 
- if you don't mind my asking - what exactly is the "deep freeze 
procedure"???


...if it doesn't work - next - I'm going to build a Pyramid on my Bot 
and see if Pyramid-Power can solve the problem! Hell - MUST less messy 
than that Goat Slaughter approach!:-)


-K-


On 11/16/2012 12:30 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote:

I've had pretty good results with the deep freeze procedure. Drive rarely lives 
long but long enough to grab the necessary data.


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On Nov 16, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Mike Copeland  wrote:


...and then there's the deep-freeze approach, and don't forget the 
"swimin-wit-da-fishes" method.

Of course, we are into some pretty extreme "solutions" here that produce rare 
results! But when it works, it's sweet!

Mike

---- Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: John Weller 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 2:56 AM

That is (was?) a well-known technique referred to as 'percussion adjustment'
:-)

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631


My father would sometimes give non-responsive radios a fair wack by

lifting


and then giving it a not so gentle slam against the table.  The darn thing
would then work after plugging it in.  As a small child I thought it was

magic...


Maybe you wan'a try that!!! :) LOL

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[Kurt @ VR-FX]

I agree w/U Matt - as I have been beating my head in with this HD 
problem - and my Dead PC...


TGIF Right Back @ Ur Arse!

:-)


On 11/16/2012 12:35 PM, M Jarvis wrote:

On Nov 16, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Mike Copeland  wrote:


Of course, we are into some pretty extreme "solutions" here that produce rare 
results! But when it works, it's sweet!

Mike

... and as a last ditch effort, you could slaughter a goat and lay it
on a flat rock pointing North during the next rise of a full moon

Okay okay, so that one didn't work, but by then I was fed up and drunk
enough to not give a crap anymore...  

Happy Friday...




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> On Nov 16, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Mike Copeland  wrote:
>
>> Of course, we are into some pretty extreme "solutions" here that produce 
>> rare results! But when it works, it's sweet!
>>
>> Mike

... and as a last ditch effort, you could slaughter a goat and lay it
on a flat rock pointing North during the next rise of a full moon

Okay okay, so that one didn't work, but by then I was fed up and drunk
enough to not give a crap anymore...  

Happy Friday...

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Eugene, Oregon USA

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I've had pretty good results with the deep freeze procedure. Drive rarely lives 
long but long enough to grab the necessary data. 


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On Nov 16, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Mike Copeland  wrote:

> ...and then there's the deep-freeze approach, and don't forget the 
> "swimin-wit-da-fishes" method.
> 
> Of course, we are into some pretty extreme "solutions" here that produce rare 
> results! But when it works, it's sweet!
> 
> Mike
> 
> ---- Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
> From: John Weller 
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Date: 11/16/2012 2:56 AM
> 
> That is (was?) a well-known technique referred to as 'percussion adjustment'
> :-)
> 
> John Weller
> 01380 723235
> 07976 393631
> 
>> My father would sometimes give non-responsive radios a fair wack by
> 
> lifting
> 
>> and then giving it a not so gentle slam against the table.  The darn thing
>> would then work after plugging it in.  As a small child I thought it was
> 
> magic...
> 
>> Maybe you wan'a try that!!! :) LOL
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[Mike Copeland]

...and then there's the deep-freeze approach, and don't forget the 
"swimin-wit-da-fishes" method.


Of course, we are into some pretty extreme "solutions" here that produce 
rare results! But when it works, it's sweet!


Mike

 Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: John Weller 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 2:56 AM

That is (was?) a well-known technique referred to as 'percussion adjustment'
:-)

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631


My father would sometimes give non-responsive radios a fair wack by


lifting


and then giving it a not so gentle slam against the table.  The darn thing
would then work after plugging it in.  As a small child I thought it was


magic...


Maybe you wan'a try that!!! :) LOL


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That is (was?) a well-known technique referred to as 'percussion adjustment'
:-)

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01380 723235
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> 
> My father would sometimes give non-responsive radios a fair wack by
lifting
> and then giving it a not so gentle slam against the table.  The darn thing
> would then work after plugging it in.  As a small child I thought it was
magic...
> Maybe you wan'a try that!!! :) LOL
> 


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[Kurt @ VR-FX]

Hola Pablo!

U must have read my mind - since, last night - when I was getting VERY 
FRUSTRATED at the situation - I had the same thought - and tried 
whacking it a little bit - but, alas - still no good response!!!


But - hey, thanks for the suggestion!

Gracias,
-K-


On 11/15/2012 9:57 PM, PabloSr wrote:

My father would sometimes give non-responsive
radios a fair wack by lifting and then giving it a
not so gentle slam against the table.  The darn
thing would then work after plugging it in.  As a
small child I thought it was magic... Maybe you
wan'a try that!!! :) LOL

PabloSr
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pueda,
respete para que lo respeten, y que Dios nos
ampare a todos!" Dra. A.M. Polo

* -Original Message-
* From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-
* boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt @ VR-FX
* Sent: November 15, 2012 9:19 PM
* To: profoxt...@leafe.com
* Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
*
* Um - actually - as I wrote in previous e-mails,
as
* this things has been DRIVING ME NUTS - the Bios
* won't even see the HD - so, at this point - I'm
* pretty much F'ed!
*
* :-(
* -K-
*
*
* On 11/15/2012 7:32 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote:
* > Have you considered booting up from a SpinRite
* CD, http://www.grc.com/
* > It is a DOS, low-level, hard drive checker.
* > If the BIOS recognizes the drive, then
SprinRite
* will be able to run
* > sector tests and attempt to repair them.
* > Nicholas Geti
* >
* > - Original Message - From: "Kurt @ VR-
* FX" 
* > To: 
* > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:23 PM
* > Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
* >
* >
* >> Although - in my case - I want Both - since I
* have at least one
* >> program that is tied to the system - and its
a
* Drag to lose that
* >> permanently!
* >>
* >> On 11/14/2012 4:06 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:
* >>> Safe Mode may boot, which would be the
* goal of the exercise as I
* >>> assume you're mainly interested in
retrieving
* data, not
* >>> applications. :-)
* >>>
* >>> --
* >>> rk
* >>>
* >>>
* >>> -Original Message-----
* >>> From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-
* boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of
* >>> Kurt @ VR-FX
* >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:34
* PM
* >>> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
* >>> Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
* >>>
* >>> I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER
* Found it very helpful...
* >>>
* >>> -K-
* >>>
* >>>

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[PabloSr]

My father would sometimes give non-responsive
radios a fair wack by lifting and then giving it a
not so gentle slam against the table.  The darn
thing would then work after plugging it in.  As a
small child I thought it was magic... Maybe you
wan'a try that!!! :) LOL

PabloSr
"Sea cortés, ande con cuidado, edúquese lo más que
pueda, 
respete para que lo respeten, y que Dios nos
ampare a todos!" Dra. A.M. Polo

* -Original Message-
* From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-
* boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt @ VR-FX
* Sent: November 15, 2012 9:19 PM
* To: profoxt...@leafe.com
* Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
* 
* Um - actually - as I wrote in previous e-mails,
as
* this things has been DRIVING ME NUTS - the Bios
* won't even see the HD - so, at this point - I'm
* pretty much F'ed!
* 
* :-(
* -K-
* 
* 
* On 11/15/2012 7:32 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote:
* > Have you considered booting up from a SpinRite
* CD, http://www.grc.com/
* > It is a DOS, low-level, hard drive checker.
* > If the BIOS recognizes the drive, then
SprinRite
* will be able to run
* > sector tests and attempt to repair them.
* > Nicholas Geti
* >
* > - Original Message - From: "Kurt @ VR-
* FX" 
* > To: 
* > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:23 PM
* > Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
* >
* >
* >> Although - in my case - I want Both - since I
* have at least one
* >> program that is tied to the system - and its
a
* Drag to lose that
* >> permanently!
* >>
* >> On 11/14/2012 4:06 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:
* >>> Safe Mode may boot, which would be the
* goal of the exercise as I
* >>> assume you're mainly interested in
retrieving
* data, not
* >>> applications. :-)
* >>>
* >>> --
* >>> rk
* >>>
* >>>
* >>> -Original Message-----
* >>> From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-
* boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of
* >>> Kurt @ VR-FX
* >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:34
* PM
* >>> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
* >>> Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
* >>>
* >>> I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER
* Found it very helpful...
* >>>
* >>> -K-
* >>>
* >>>
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Um - actually - as I wrote in previous e-mails, as this things has been 
DRIVING ME NUTS - the Bios won't even see the HD - so, at this point - 
I'm pretty much F'ed!


:-(
-K-


On 11/15/2012 7:32 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote:
Have you considered booting up from a SpinRite CD, 
http://www.grc.com/  It is a DOS, low-level, hard drive checker.
If the BIOS recognizes the drive, then SprinRite will be able to run 
sector tests and attempt to repair them.

Nicholas Geti

- Original Message - From: "Kurt @ VR-FX" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...


Although - in my case - I want Both - since I have at least one 
program that is tied to the system - and its a Drag to lose that 
permanently!


On 11/14/2012 4:06 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:
Safe Mode may boot, which would be the goal of the exercise as I 
assume you're mainly interested in retrieving data, not 
applications. :-)


--
rk


-Original Message-
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Kurt @ VR-FX

Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:34 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER Found it very helpful...

-K-



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[Nicholas Geti]

Have you considered booting up from a SpinRite CD, http://www.grc.com/  It 
is a DOS, low-level, hard drive checker.
If the BIOS recognizes the drive, then SprinRite will be able to run sector 
tests and attempt to repair them.

Nicholas Geti

- Original Message - 
From: "Kurt @ VR-FX" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...


Although - in my case - I want Both - since I have at least one program 
that is tied to the system - and its a Drag to lose that permanently!


On 11/14/2012 4:06 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:
Safe Mode may boot, which would be the goal of the exercise as I assume 
you're mainly interested in retrieving data, not applications. :-)


--
rk


-Original Message-
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@ VR-FX

Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:34 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
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I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER Found it very helpful...

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[Kurt @ VR-FX]

Although - in my case - I want Both - since I have at least one program 
that is tied to the system - and its a Drag to lose that permanently!


On 11/14/2012 4:06 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:

Safe Mode may boot, which would be the goal of the exercise as I assume you're 
mainly interested in retrieving data, not applications. :-)

--
rk


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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:34 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
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I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER Found it very helpful...

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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Kurt @ VR-FX]

I used a screw driver to listen - it went "Whir" - "Chip" - "Chip, chip" 
- "Chip, chip" - then continued to make the spinning noise.


I even plugged the Terabyte drive back in - and, it comes up under the 
Bios - just not the main drive.


But, strangely - at one point today - when it was booting up - it 
actually gave me the option to select which OS I wanted to boot into - 
and, at another point - the option to select Safe Mode Or Last Good 
Config (which I actually DID try - but, not successfully!)...


As for a Backup. Well, a lot of stuff is kinda backed up to the Terabyte 
drive - and, a LOT of the other stuff - current projects and all - its 
on the Laptop.


But, never any TRUE Backup...

In the past, I rolled this way - since, if a PC went bad - I was usually 
able to take the HD  - pop it into another PC - and then pull any files 
off that HD that I needed.


Guess its time to seriously consider true backups!

-K-
On 11/14/2012 6:40 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:
You should be able to hear the drive spin up and 
self-calibrate...although the newer drives are much quieter. What I do 
is use a large screwdriver like a stethescope...put the handle end 
against your ear and the point against the case of the drive (NOT on a 
circuit board!)then power the system on while you listen. You'll 
hear a mechanical whirring noise increasing in pitch then some 
"chatter" like sounds as the drive calibrates the head.


If you hear nothing, silence, then the drive is dead. Very bad.
If you hear spinning but nothing else, then the drive is brain dead. 
Also not good.
If you hear spinning, then chatter, then nothing, then it could be the 
cables, the cable connectors, or the mainboard interface.


It all comes back to how much $ you want to spend and what the value 
of the data is to you. For a few hundred dollars, there are companies 
that will get everything off the drive that is recoverable. For the 
price of some time and a new hard drive, you might be able to recover 
most of the data...if the drive will still run.


Thank God for backups...right? (right? right? huh?)

Mike

---- Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 5:30 PM
For the Hell of it - I blew air into the fan on the CPU.

So - as I mentioned before - I was now seeing errors like No Boot 
files or something - and that when Bios was displayed - it didn't list 
any HD in the SATA channels. AS such, just now - went into the BIOS - 
and that's what I saw - no HD's in SATA Channels - and I even ran 
Auto-detect for all 4 channels - and - Nothing - Zero - like NO HD's 
detected. I can't believe its just getting worse...


Somebody just shoot me now...

-K-


On 11/14/2012 4:17 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:
My nose smells a power supply issue. I've also seen CPUs that will 
sense a "problem" and shut the system down...usually heat 
related...kind of a self-preservation thing. "I'm feeling warm, Dave."


Have you actually opened the system and checked for massive wads of 
lint and dust and dirt caked on the CPU heatsink...power supply fan 
screen, etc.?


Mike

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 3:10 PM
OK - am trying Ur suggestion - I have that webpage open. Funny thing 
is. I booted with the WinXP CD - and it came up with a bunch of 
options on a blue screen. I actually let is sit there - while I was 
on the phone with a Dr. office - but, while I was still on the phone 
- its like after a period of time - the PC just Shut Down or powered 
off! I find that strange - and did NOT Think that should happen while 
I was at that Blue screen.


Does that sound strange to U as well? Maybe signaling a Deeper problem?

FYI - I am by No Means a PC HW expert. Although, this machine with 
the problems - it actually IS One that I built a number of years ago...


-K-


On 11/14/2012 3:43 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:
Safe Mode is good when you have a device driver that has gone off 
the reservation. Like a scanner or some other non-essential device.


Mike

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 2:33 PM
I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER Found it very helpful...

-K-


On 11/14/2012 3:16 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:

Have you tried booting Windoze in Safe Mode?
  --
rk

-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of 
Kurt @ VR-FX

Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:18 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

YEah - but, that's doesn't solve the main problem - that this PC 
won't boot. Also, there is CG SW that's locked to that PC - and its 

Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Mike Copeland]

You should be able to hear the drive spin up and 
self-calibrate...although the newer drives are much quieter. What I do 
is use a large screwdriver like a stethescope...put the handle end 
against your ear and the point against the case of the drive (NOT on a 
circuit board!)then power the system on while you listen. You'll 
hear a mechanical whirring noise increasing in pitch then some "chatter" 
like sounds as the drive calibrates the head.


If you hear nothing, silence, then the drive is dead. Very bad.
If you hear spinning but nothing else, then the drive is brain dead. 
Also not good.
If you hear spinning, then chatter, then nothing, then it could be the 
cables, the cable connectors, or the mainboard interface.


It all comes back to how much $ you want to spend and what the value of 
the data is to you. For a few hundred dollars, there are companies that 
will get everything off the drive that is recoverable. For the price of 
some time and a new hard drive, you might be able to recover most of the 
data...if the drive will still run.


Thank God for backups...right? (right? right? huh?)

Mike

 Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 5:30 PM
For the Hell of it - I blew air into the fan on the CPU.

So - as I mentioned before - I was now seeing errors like No Boot files 
or something - and that when Bios was displayed - it didn't list any HD 
in the SATA channels. AS such, just now - went into the BIOS - and 
that's what I saw - no HD's in SATA Channels - and I even ran 
Auto-detect for all 4 channels - and - Nothing - Zero - like NO HD's 
detected. I can't believe its just getting worse...


Somebody just shoot me now...

-K-


On 11/14/2012 4:17 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:
My nose smells a power supply issue. I've also seen CPUs that will 
sense a "problem" and shut the system down...usually heat 
related...kind of a self-preservation thing. "I'm feeling warm, Dave."


Have you actually opened the system and checked for massive wads of 
lint and dust and dirt caked on the CPU heatsink...power supply fan 
screen, etc.?


Mike

---- Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 3:10 PM
OK - am trying Ur suggestion - I have that webpage open. Funny thing 
is. I booted with the WinXP CD - and it came up with a bunch of 
options on a blue screen. I actually let is sit there - while I was on 
the phone with a Dr. office - but, while I was still on the phone - 
its like after a period of time - the PC just Shut Down or powered 
off! I find that strange - and did NOT Think that should happen while 
I was at that Blue screen.


Does that sound strange to U as well? Maybe signaling a Deeper problem?

FYI - I am by No Means a PC HW expert. Although, this machine with the 
problems - it actually IS One that I built a number of years ago...


-K-


On 11/14/2012 3:43 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:
Safe Mode is good when you have a device driver that has gone off the 
reservation. Like a scanner or some other non-essential device.


Mike

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 2:33 PM
I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER Found it very helpful...

-K-


On 11/14/2012 3:16 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:

Have you tried booting Windoze in Safe Mode?
  --
rk

-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of 
Kurt @ VR-FX

Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:18 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

YEah - but, that's doesn't solve the main problem - that this PC 
won't boot. Also, there is CG SW that's locked to that PC - and its 
Another reason why I really want to get that PC running again.


It was initially suggested that I run a ChkDsk on the boot HD in 
question - the do a Windows repair - to try and get it working again 
- and keep all data & SW still functional - so, this is what I am 
still after.


-K-




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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Kurt @ VR-FX]

Oh -and yes, it does spin up...

On 11/14/2012 6:26 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:
If the BIOS doesn't see the drive, there's no hope in heck that any 
software (Windoze, or a utility) will see the drive either. You either 
have a drive with a controller issue (not unlike a bad-attitude in a 
mother-in-law) or a bad SATA cable...are you sure the drive is 
spinning up and doing self-calibration? FYI, most drive manufacturers 
have a downloadable utility that you can burn to a CD and boot from to 
do a diagnostic on the hdisk.


Your best bet is to connect the drive to a computer that is running 
WinXP or better (anything using NTFS) and hope the dual boot issue 
doesn't bite you in the arse so you can copy the data off of it. 
Bottom line from your description, I would consider the drive 
replaceable (you can get new 500GB SATA drives for $80 or less) and 
start working towards salvaging the data from the old drive.


Not that it matters, and you may have already stated...but what brand 
is this HD?


Mike


 Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 5:03 PM
Its XP Pro 64 - which I believe has a VERY Different SP set of 
iterations vs. regular XP. But, without it booting - I can't U what I 
got. I did keep it updated - however...


When it is turned on initially - and it shows BIOS name, Memory & HD's 
- it shows Nothing showing up in Sata channels 1 & 2. That does NOT 
sound right to me! What Say you???


I'm pulling my hair out with thing - and I ain't got enough there 
anymore to pull out!!!


:-(
-K-
On 11/14/2012 4:55 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Kurt,

As has been pointed out, it would be a VERY good thing to know which 
SP version your now-dead XP system was upgraded to. (Or maybe it was 
installed with SP1, 2, or 3.)


You'll also need a CD that matches that level. I'm not 100%, but I 
think you can reinstall from an SP1 CD to an SP3 system, but not vice 
versa.


If you've had the system for any length of time, and if you've been 
keeping it updated with patches, I can't imagine that you wouldn't 
have SP3 on it.


Mike

 Original Message 
Subject: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 1:00 PM
Hello there folks,

Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was my main PC - but, it 
died several months ago. I have my laptop - which has been my primary 
computing device for quite a while now - but, the desktop PC has some 
stuff on there that's not on my laptop.


FYI - the computer does attempt to Boot up - and even starts loading 
the OS (WinXP Pro 64) - and comes up with the MS logo. But, during 
the boot up - it eventually fails and drops to a BSOD screen - which 
is always a lovely thing to see!


Someone on the list here (although he hasn't gotten back to me in a 
while - and I think he has been busy and hasn't been checking e-mails 
for a while) suggested I connect the main boot drive to another 
computer - and run ChkDsk. Well, I tried connected it to my laptop - 
but, the OS did NOT actually "SEE" the drive. I attempted to actually 
connect it inside of my wife's PC - but, when it booted - Same thing 
- it was like the OS could not "SEE" the drive!


So - I'm getting kinda desperate here - and hoping someone can help 
me out. Again - if I put it BACK in the original PC - it does attempt 
to Boot - but, then the BSOD comes up...


TIA,
-K-


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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Kurt @ VR-FX]

Its a: SATA Seagate 500 GB

I actually already did swap the SATA cables - took the one from Terabyte 
drive - still no good - and even tried plugging into different SATA 
Ports on the MoBo - still no help...


-K-


On 11/14/2012 6:26 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:
If the BIOS doesn't see the drive, there's no hope in heck that any 
software (Windoze, or a utility) will see the drive either. You either 
have a drive with a controller issue (not unlike a bad-attitude in a 
mother-in-law) or a bad SATA cable...are you sure the drive is 
spinning up and doing self-calibration? FYI, most drive manufacturers 
have a downloadable utility that you can burn to a CD and boot from to 
do a diagnostic on the hdisk.


Your best bet is to connect the drive to a computer that is running 
WinXP or better (anything using NTFS) and hope the dual boot issue 
doesn't bite you in the arse so you can copy the data off of it. 
Bottom line from your description, I would consider the drive 
replaceable (you can get new 500GB SATA drives for $80 or less) and 
start working towards salvaging the data from the old drive.


Not that it matters, and you may have already stated...but what brand 
is this HD?


Mike


 Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 5:03 PM
Its XP Pro 64 - which I believe has a VERY Different SP set of 
iterations vs. regular XP. But, without it booting - I can't U what I 
got. I did keep it updated - however...


When it is turned on initially - and it shows BIOS name, Memory & HD's 
- it shows Nothing showing up in Sata channels 1 & 2. That does NOT 
sound right to me! What Say you???


I'm pulling my hair out with thing - and I ain't got enough there 
anymore to pull out!!!


:-(
-K-
On 11/14/2012 4:55 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Kurt,

As has been pointed out, it would be a VERY good thing to know which 
SP version your now-dead XP system was upgraded to. (Or maybe it was 
installed with SP1, 2, or 3.)


You'll also need a CD that matches that level. I'm not 100%, but I 
think you can reinstall from an SP1 CD to an SP3 system, but not vice 
versa.


If you've had the system for any length of time, and if you've been 
keeping it updated with patches, I can't imagine that you wouldn't 
have SP3 on it.


Mike

 Original Message 
Subject: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 1:00 PM
Hello there folks,

Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was my main PC - but, it 
died several months ago. I have my laptop - which has been my primary 
computing device for quite a while now - but, the desktop PC has some 
stuff on there that's not on my laptop.


FYI - the computer does attempt to Boot up - and even starts loading 
the OS (WinXP Pro 64) - and comes up with the MS logo. But, during 
the boot up - it eventually fails and drops to a BSOD screen - which 
is always a lovely thing to see!


Someone on the list here (although he hasn't gotten back to me in a 
while - and I think he has been busy and hasn't been checking e-mails 
for a while) suggested I connect the main boot drive to another 
computer - and run ChkDsk. Well, I tried connected it to my laptop - 
but, the OS did NOT actually "SEE" the drive. I attempted to actually 
connect it inside of my wife's PC - but, when it booted - Same thing 
- it was like the OS could not "SEE" the drive!


So - I'm getting kinda desperate here - and hoping someone can help 
me out. Again - if I put it BACK in the original PC - it does attempt 
to Boot - but, then the BSOD comes up...


TIA,
-K-


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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Kurt @ VR-FX]

For the Hell of it - I blew air into the fan on the CPU.

So - as I mentioned before - I was now seeing errors like No Boot files 
or something - and that when Bios was displayed - it didn't list any HD 
in the SATA channels. AS such, just now - went into the BIOS - and 
that's what I saw - no HD's in SATA Channels - and I even ran 
Auto-detect for all 4 channels - and - Nothing - Zero - like NO HD's 
detected. I can't believe its just getting worse...


Somebody just shoot me now...

-K-


On 11/14/2012 4:17 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:
My nose smells a power supply issue. I've also seen CPUs that will 
sense a "problem" and shut the system down...usually heat 
related...kind of a self-preservation thing. "I'm feeling warm, Dave."


Have you actually opened the system and checked for massive wads of 
lint and dust and dirt caked on the CPU heatsink...power supply fan 
screen, etc.?


Mike

---- Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 3:10 PM
OK - am trying Ur suggestion - I have that webpage open. Funny thing 
is. I booted with the WinXP CD - and it came up with a bunch of 
options on a blue screen. I actually let is sit there - while I was on 
the phone with a Dr. office - but, while I was still on the phone - 
its like after a period of time - the PC just Shut Down or powered 
off! I find that strange - and did NOT Think that should happen while 
I was at that Blue screen.


Does that sound strange to U as well? Maybe signaling a Deeper problem?

FYI - I am by No Means a PC HW expert. Although, this machine with the 
problems - it actually IS One that I built a number of years ago...


-K-


On 11/14/2012 3:43 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:
Safe Mode is good when you have a device driver that has gone off the 
reservation. Like a scanner or some other non-essential device.


Mike

---- Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 2:33 PM
I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER Found it very helpful...

-K-


On 11/14/2012 3:16 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:

Have you tried booting Windoze in Safe Mode?
  --
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-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of 
Kurt @ VR-FX

Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:18 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

YEah - but, that's doesn't solve the main problem - that this PC 
won't boot. Also, there is CG SW that's locked to that PC - and its 
Another reason why I really want to get that PC running again.


It was initially suggested that I run a ChkDsk on the boot HD in 
question - the do a Windows repair - to try and get it working again 
- and keep all data & SW still functional - so, this is what I am 
still after.


-K-




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[Mike Copeland]

If the BIOS doesn't see the drive, there's no hope in heck that any 
software (Windoze, or a utility) will see the drive either. You either 
have a drive with a controller issue (not unlike a bad-attitude in a 
mother-in-law) or a bad SATA cable...are you sure the drive is spinning 
up and doing self-calibration? FYI, most drive manufacturers have a 
downloadable utility that you can burn to a CD and boot from to do a 
diagnostic on the hdisk.


Your best bet is to connect the drive to a computer that is running 
WinXP or better (anything using NTFS) and hope the dual boot issue 
doesn't bite you in the arse so you can copy the data off of it. Bottom 
line from your description, I would consider the drive replaceable (you 
can get new 500GB SATA drives for $80 or less) and start working towards 
salvaging the data from the old drive.


Not that it matters, and you may have already stated...but what brand is 
this HD?


Mike


 Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 5:03 PM
Its XP Pro 64 - which I believe has a VERY Different SP set of 
iterations vs. regular XP. But, without it booting - I can't U what I 
got. I did keep it updated - however...


When it is turned on initially - and it shows BIOS name, Memory & HD's - 
it shows Nothing showing up in Sata channels 1 & 2. That does NOT sound 
right to me! What Say you???


I'm pulling my hair out with thing - and I ain't got enough there 
anymore to pull out!!!


:-(
-K-
On 11/14/2012 4:55 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Kurt,

As has been pointed out, it would be a VERY good thing to know which 
SP version your now-dead XP system was upgraded to. (Or maybe it was 
installed with SP1, 2, or 3.)


You'll also need a CD that matches that level. I'm not 100%, but I 
think you can reinstall from an SP1 CD to an SP3 system, but not vice 
versa.


If you've had the system for any length of time, and if you've been 
keeping it updated with patches, I can't imagine that you wouldn't 
have SP3 on it.


Mike

 Original Message 
Subject: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 1:00 PM
Hello there folks,

Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was my main PC - but, it 
died several months ago. I have my laptop - which has been my primary 
computing device for quite a while now - but, the desktop PC has some 
stuff on there that's not on my laptop.


FYI - the computer does attempt to Boot up - and even starts loading 
the OS (WinXP Pro 64) - and comes up with the MS logo. But, during the 
boot up - it eventually fails and drops to a BSOD screen - which is 
always a lovely thing to see!


Someone on the list here (although he hasn't gotten back to me in a 
while - and I think he has been busy and hasn't been checking e-mails 
for a while) suggested I connect the main boot drive to another 
computer - and run ChkDsk. Well, I tried connected it to my laptop - 
but, the OS did NOT actually "SEE" the drive. I attempted to actually 
connect it inside of my wife's PC - but, when it booted - Same thing - 
it was like the OS could not "SEE" the drive!


So - I'm getting kinda desperate here - and hoping someone can help me 
out. Again - if I put it BACK in the original PC - it does attempt to 
Boot - but, then the BSOD comes up...


TIA,
-K-


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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Kurt @ VR-FX]

Its XP Pro 64 - which I believe has a VERY Different SP set of 
iterations vs. regular XP. But, without it booting - I can't U what I 
got. I did keep it updated - however...


When it is turned on initially - and it shows BIOS name, Memory & HD's - 
it shows Nothing showing up in Sata channels 1 & 2. That does NOT sound 
right to me! What Say you???


I'm pulling my hair out with thing - and I ain't got enough there 
anymore to pull out!!!


:-(
-K-
On 11/14/2012 4:55 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Kurt,

As has been pointed out, it would be a VERY good thing to know which 
SP version your now-dead XP system was upgraded to. (Or maybe it was 
installed with SP1, 2, or 3.)


You'll also need a CD that matches that level. I'm not 100%, but I 
think you can reinstall from an SP1 CD to an SP3 system, but not vice 
versa.


If you've had the system for any length of time, and if you've been 
keeping it updated with patches, I can't imagine that you wouldn't 
have SP3 on it.


Mike

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Subject: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 1:00 PM
Hello there folks,

Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was my main PC - but, it 
died several months ago. I have my laptop - which has been my primary 
computing device for quite a while now - but, the desktop PC has some 
stuff on there that's not on my laptop.


FYI - the computer does attempt to Boot up - and even starts loading 
the OS (WinXP Pro 64) - and comes up with the MS logo. But, during the 
boot up - it eventually fails and drops to a BSOD screen - which is 
always a lovely thing to see!


Someone on the list here (although he hasn't gotten back to me in a 
while - and I think he has been busy and hasn't been checking e-mails 
for a while) suggested I connect the main boot drive to another 
computer - and run ChkDsk. Well, I tried connected it to my laptop - 
but, the OS did NOT actually "SEE" the drive. I attempted to actually 
connect it inside of my wife's PC - but, when it booted - Same thing - 
it was like the OS could not "SEE" the drive!


So - I'm getting kinda desperate here - and hoping someone can help me 
out. Again - if I put it BACK in the original PC - it does attempt to 
Boot - but, then the BSOD comes up...


TIA,
-K-


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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Kurt @ VR-FX]

No - its XP Pro 64 - and system was Built with the Sata HD - and, it was 
actually a Win2000 System - which I upgraded (dual-boot) to XP Pro.


-K-


On 11/14/2012 4:34 PM, Dan Covill wrote:

On 11/14/12 11:47, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:

Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was my main PC - but, it died
several months ago. I have my laptop - which has been my primary 
computing
device for quite a while now - but, the desktop PC has some stuff on 
there

that's not on my laptop.


Win XP did not support SATA in the original release - it was added in 
SP 1.  I found that out the hard way when I upgraded my motherboard, 
adding an SATA DVD drive, and attempted a repair installation from my 
original CD.  Can't access the drive, so can't boot from the CD!


If you don't have SP1 already on your XP CD, that's probably the 
reason.  You bought the SATA after you installed SP1, so it worked.


I ended up buying a VISTA 64-bit and starting over.

Dan


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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Kurt @ VR-FX]

I've heard of and possibly HAD that problem before - heat & shutdown - 
thought of it right after I sent that reply.


I have case WIDE Open - dealing with this thing. And - right now - its 
driving me NUTS - as attempting to boot up gives different results 
almost every time. It DID boot to an OS select a little while ago - now 
- won't boot at ALL! Claims no Boot disk or something.


I F'ing HATE HW problems - its always such a nightmare - and I can't 
afford new HW. May just shove it aside soon and come back 2 it in 2 
months...


-K-


On 11/14/2012 4:17 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:
My nose smells a power supply issue. I've also seen CPUs that will 
sense a "problem" and shut the system down...usually heat 
related...kind of a self-preservation thing. "I'm feeling warm, Dave."


Have you actually opened the system and checked for massive wads of 
lint and dust and dirt caked on the CPU heatsink...power supply fan 
screen, etc.?


Mike

---- Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 3:10 PM
OK - am trying Ur suggestion - I have that webpage open. Funny thing 
is. I booted with the WinXP CD - and it came up with a bunch of 
options on a blue screen. I actually let is sit there - while I was on 
the phone with a Dr. office - but, while I was still on the phone - 
its like after a period of time - the PC just Shut Down or powered 
off! I find that strange - and did NOT Think that should happen while 
I was at that Blue screen.


Does that sound strange to U as well? Maybe signaling a Deeper problem?

FYI - I am by No Means a PC HW expert. Although, this machine with the 
problems - it actually IS One that I built a number of years ago...


-K-


On 11/14/2012 3:43 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:
Safe Mode is good when you have a device driver that has gone off the 
reservation. Like a scanner or some other non-essential device.


Mike

---- Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 2:33 PM
I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER Found it very helpful...

-K-


On 11/14/2012 3:16 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:

Have you tried booting Windoze in Safe Mode?
  --
rk

-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of 
Kurt @ VR-FX

Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:18 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

YEah - but, that's doesn't solve the main problem - that this PC 
won't boot. Also, there is CG SW that's locked to that PC - and its 
Another reason why I really want to get that PC running again.


It was initially suggested that I run a ChkDsk on the boot HD in 
question - the do a Windows repair - to try and get it working again 
- and keep all data & SW still functional - so, this is what I am 
still after.


-K-




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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Mike Copeland]

Kurt,

As has been pointed out, it would be a VERY good thing to know which SP 
version your now-dead XP system was upgraded to. (Or maybe it was 
installed with SP1, 2, or 3.)


You'll also need a CD that matches that level. I'm not 100%, but I think 
you can reinstall from an SP1 CD to an SP3 system, but not vice versa.


If you've had the system for any length of time, and if you've been 
keeping it updated with patches, I can't imagine that you wouldn't have 
SP3 on it.


Mike

 Original Message 
Subject: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 1:00 PM
Hello there folks,

Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was my main PC - but, it died 
several months ago. I have my laptop - which has been my primary 
computing device for quite a while now - but, the desktop PC has some 
stuff on there that's not on my laptop.


FYI - the computer does attempt to Boot up - and even starts loading the 
OS (WinXP Pro 64) - and comes up with the MS logo. But, during the boot 
up - it eventually fails and drops to a BSOD screen - which is always a 
lovely thing to see!


Someone on the list here (although he hasn't gotten back to me in a 
while - and I think he has been busy and hasn't been checking e-mails 
for a while) suggested I connect the main boot drive to another computer 
- and run ChkDsk. Well, I tried connected it to my laptop - but, the OS 
did NOT actually "SEE" the drive. I attempted to actually connect it 
inside of my wife's PC - but, when it booted - Same thing - it was like 
the OS could not "SEE" the drive!


So - I'm getting kinda desperate here - and hoping someone can help me 
out. Again - if I put it BACK in the original PC - it does attempt to 
Boot - but, then the BSOD comes up...


TIA,
-K-

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RE: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[PabloSr]

In case you have'nt considered it yet, checkout
the computer's battery or/and the boot settings in
the computer's BIOS. 

PabloSr
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pueda, 
respete para que lo respeten, y que Dios nos
ampare a todos!" Dra. A.M. Polo

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* 
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* > Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was
* my main PC - but, it
* > died several months ago. I have my laptop -
* which has been my primary
* > computing device for quite a while now - but,
* the desktop PC has some
* > stuff on there that's not on my laptop.
* 
* Win XP did not support SATA in the original
* release - it was added in SP 1.  I found that
out the
* hard way when I upgraded my motherboard,
* adding an SATA DVD drive, and attempted a
* repair installation from my original CD.  Can't
* access the drive, so can't boot from the CD!
* 
* If you don't have SP1 already on your XP CD,
* that's probably the reason.
*   You bought the SATA after you installed SP1,
so it
* worked.
* 
* I ended up buying a VISTA 64-bit and starting
* over.
* 
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On 11/14/12 11:47, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:

Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was my main PC - but, it died
several months ago. I have my laptop - which has been my primary computing
device for quite a while now - but, the desktop PC has some stuff on there
that's not on my laptop.


Win XP did not support SATA in the original release - it was added in SP 
1.  I found that out the hard way when I upgraded my motherboard, adding 
an SATA DVD drive, and attempted a repair installation from my original 
CD.  Can't access the drive, so can't boot from the CD!


If you don't have SP1 already on your XP CD, that's probably the reason. 
 You bought the SATA after you installed SP1, so it worked.


I ended up buying a VISTA 64-bit and starting over.

Dan

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[Mike Copeland]

My nose smells a power supply issue. I've also seen CPUs that will sense 
a "problem" and shut the system down...usually heat related...kind of a 
self-preservation thing. "I'm feeling warm, Dave."


Have you actually opened the system and checked for massive wads of lint 
and dust and dirt caked on the CPU heatsink...power supply fan screen, etc.?


Mike

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Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 3:10 PM
OK - am trying Ur suggestion - I have that webpage open. Funny thing is. 
I booted with the WinXP CD - and it came up with a bunch of options on a 
blue screen. I actually let is sit there - while I was on the phone with 
a Dr. office - but, while I was still on the phone - its like after a 
period of time - the PC just Shut Down or powered off! I find that 
strange - and did NOT Think that should happen while I was at that Blue 
screen.


Does that sound strange to U as well? Maybe signaling a Deeper problem?

FYI - I am by No Means a PC HW expert. Although, this machine with the 
problems - it actually IS One that I built a number of years ago...


-K-


On 11/14/2012 3:43 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:
Safe Mode is good when you have a device driver that has gone off the 
reservation. Like a scanner or some other non-essential device.


Mike

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Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 2:33 PM
I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER Found it very helpful...

-K-


On 11/14/2012 3:16 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:

Have you tried booting Windoze in Safe Mode?
  --
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-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of 
Kurt @ VR-FX

Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:18 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

YEah - but, that's doesn't solve the main problem - that this PC 
won't boot. Also, there is CG SW that's locked to that PC - and its 
Another reason why I really want to get that PC running again.


It was initially suggested that I run a ChkDsk on the boot HD in 
question - the do a Windows repair - to try and get it working again 
- and keep all data & SW still functional - so, this is what I am 
still after.


-K-




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RE: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Richard Kaye]

Safe Mode may boot, which would be the goal of the exercise as I assume you're 
mainly interested in retrieving data, not applications. :-)

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I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER Found it very helpful...

-K-


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OK - am trying Ur suggestion - I have that webpage open. Funny thing is. 
I booted with the WinXP CD - and it came up with a bunch of options on a 
blue screen. I actually let is sit there - while I was on the phone with 
a Dr. office - but, while I was still on the phone - its like after a 
period of time - the PC just Shut Down or powered off! I find that 
strange - and did NOT Think that should happen while I was at that Blue 
screen.


Does that sound strange to U as well? Maybe signaling a Deeper problem?

FYI - I am by No Means a PC HW expert. Although, this machine with the 
problems - it actually IS One that I built a number of years ago...


-K-


On 11/14/2012 3:43 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:
Safe Mode is good when you have a device driver that has gone off the 
reservation. Like a scanner or some other non-essential device.


Mike

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Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 2:33 PM
I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER Found it very helpful...

-K-


On 11/14/2012 3:16 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:

Have you tried booting Windoze in Safe Mode?
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Kurt @ VR-FX

Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:18 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

YEah - but, that's doesn't solve the main problem - that this PC 
won't boot. Also, there is CG SW that's locked to that PC - and its 
Another reason why I really want to get that PC running again.


It was initially suggested that I run a ChkDsk on the boot HD in 
question - the do a Windows repair - to try and get it working again 
- and keep all data & SW still functional - so, this is what I am 
still after.


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Safe Mode is good when you have a device driver that has gone off the 
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Mike

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From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
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Date: 11/14/2012 2:33 PM
I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER Found it very helpful...

-K-


On 11/14/2012 3:16 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:

Have you tried booting Windoze in Safe Mode?
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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:18 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

YEah - but, that's doesn't solve the main problem - that this PC won't 
boot. Also, there is CG SW that's locked to that PC - and its Another 
reason why I really want to get that PC running again.


It was initially suggested that I run a ChkDsk on the boot HD in 
question - the do a Windows repair - to try and get it working again - 
and keep all data & SW still functional - so, this is what I am still 
after.


-K-




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I've tried Safe Mode in the past - and NEVER Found it very helpful...

-K-


On 11/14/2012 3:16 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:

Have you tried booting Windoze in Safe Mode?
  
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To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

YEah - but, that's doesn't solve the main problem - that this PC won't boot. 
Also, there is CG SW that's locked to that PC - and its Another reason why I 
really want to get that PC running again.

It was initially suggested that I run a ChkDsk on the boot HD in question - the do 
a Windows repair - to try and get it working again - and keep all data & SW 
still functional - so, this is what I am still after.

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RE: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Carl Lindner]

Bart PE (Preinstalled Environment) can be copied to a cd 

the version I use boots from the cd into XP - the preinstalled os on the cd

you can see your files on the existing drive copy to a networked pc and all
sorts of stuff

http://tinyurl.co m/ba8g87h

Carl Lindner




-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt @ VR-FX
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:00 PM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

Actually - I already have one of those kinda connections - its Kingwin. 
But, upon connecting it - my OS would NOT see the drive! That's why I posted
here to begin with...

:-)
-K-


On 11/14/2012 2:43 PM, John Harvey wrote:
> You might want to get a kit that allows you to connect to the sata 
> drive from your laptop via usb. I ordered one of those off the 
> internet and used it to pull data from a drive just a few weeks ago.
>
> John Harvey
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt @ 
> VR-FX
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 1:01 PM
> To: profox@leafe.com
> Subject: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
>
> Hello there folks,
>
> Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was my main PC - but, it 
> died several months ago. I have my laptop - which has been my primary 
> computing device for quite a while now - but, the desktop PC has some 
> stuff on there that's not on my laptop.
>
> FYI - the computer does attempt to Boot up - and even starts loading 
> the OS (WinXP Pro 64) - and comes up with the MS logo. But, during the 
> boot up - it eventually fails and drops to a BSOD screen - which is 
> always a lovely thing to see!
>
> Someone on the list here (although he hasn't gotten back to me in a 
> while - and I think he has been busy and hasn't been checking e-mails 
> for a while) suggested I connect the main boot drive to another 
> computer
> - and run ChkDsk. Well, I tried connected it to my laptop - but, the 
> OS did NOT actually "SEE" the drive. I attempted to actually connect 
> it inside of my wife's PC - but, when it booted - Same thing - it was 
> like the OS could not "SEE" the drive!
>
> So - I'm getting kinda desperate here - and hoping someone can help me
out.
> Again - if I put it BACK in the original PC - it does attempt to Boot 
> - but, then the BSOD comes up...
>
> TIA,
> -K-
>
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Have you tried booting Windoze in Safe Mode?
 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:18 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

YEah - but, that's doesn't solve the main problem - that this PC won't boot. 
Also, there is CG SW that's locked to that PC - and its Another reason why I 
really want to get that PC running again.

It was initially suggested that I run a ChkDsk on the boot HD in question - the 
do a Windows repair - to try and get it working again - and keep all data & SW 
still functional - so, this is what I am still after.

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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Kurt @ VR-FX]

Actually - I already have one of those kinda connections - its Kingwin. 
But, upon connecting it - my OS would NOT see the drive! That's why I 
posted here to begin with...


:-)
-K-


On 11/14/2012 2:43 PM, John Harvey wrote:

You might want to get a kit that allows you to connect to the sata drive
from your laptop via usb. I ordered one of those off the internet and used
it to pull data from a drive just a few weeks ago.

John Harvey

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From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt @ VR-FX
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 1:01 PM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

Hello there folks,

Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was my main PC - but, it died
several months ago. I have my laptop - which has been my primary computing
device for quite a while now - but, the desktop PC has some stuff on there
that's not on my laptop.

FYI - the computer does attempt to Boot up - and even starts loading the OS
(WinXP Pro 64) - and comes up with the MS logo. But, during the boot up - it
eventually fails and drops to a BSOD screen - which is always a lovely thing
to see!

Someone on the list here (although he hasn't gotten back to me in a while -
and I think he has been busy and hasn't been checking e-mails for a while)
suggested I connect the main boot drive to another computer
- and run ChkDsk. Well, I tried connected it to my laptop - but, the OS did
NOT actually "SEE" the drive. I attempted to actually connect it inside of
my wife's PC - but, when it booted - Same thing - it was like the OS could
not "SEE" the drive!

So - I'm getting kinda desperate here - and hoping someone can help me out.
Again - if I put it BACK in the original PC - it does attempt to Boot - but,
then the BSOD comes up...

TIA,
-K-


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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Kurt @ VR-FX]

Thanks Mike - I think I am going to try this first. I attempt recovery 
before - but, had no actual guided instructions - and things were not 
clear as to what to do. Will give this a shot & report back...


-K-


On 11/14/2012 2:39 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Kurt,

It's not my favorite process, but I did successfully (knock on wood) 
reinstall a WinXP system on a BSOD computer last week. Something in 
the boot process was causing it to freeze during boot. I just booted 
to a WinXP CD, got into the Recovery Console.


Here's a link to the article that provided the info I used.
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/10-things-you-can-do-when-windows-xp-wont-boot/6031733 



Mike


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Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 1:28 PM
Where I can find out how to make the Linux Boot CD.

Also - U got me wrong - I did NOT want to Boot from the Bad HD - just 
attach it and be able to access it from the OS after it was attached. 
I attempted to run the ChkDsk from the Dead PC - but, it wouldn't work...


-K-


On 11/14/2012 2:20 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote:
Linux has tools to check and fix the drive as well. Might give you an 
idea as to what the problem is.


Trying to boot the drive in another computer is rarely a good or 
successful idea.



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On Nov 14, 2012, at 11:18 AM, "Kurt @ VR-FX"  wrote:

YEah - but, that's doesn't solve the main problem - that this PC 
won't boot. Also, there is CG SW that's locked to that PC - and its 
Another reason why I really want to get that PC running again.


It was initially suggested that I run a ChkDsk on the boot HD in 
question - the do a Windows repair - to try and get it working again 
- and keep all data & SW still functional - so, this is what I am 
still after.


-K-


On 11/14/2012 2:09 PM, Ted Roche wrote:
Download a Linux LiveCD (or USB) and boot from that instead. If 
there is
not a hardware problem with the disk drive, you should be able to 
open the
hdd and browse for the files you need. Save them off to a USB tab, 
send

them to a shared network file share, or email them to yourself.


On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX  
wrote:



Hello there folks,

Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was my main PC - but, it 
died
several months ago. I have my laptop - which has been my primary 
computing
device for quite a while now - but, the desktop PC has some stuff 
on there

that's not on my laptop.

FYI - the computer does attempt to Boot up - and even starts 
loading the
OS (WinXP Pro 64) - and comes up with the MS logo. But, during the 
boot up
- it eventually fails and drops to a BSOD screen - which is always 
a lovely

thing to see!

Someone on the list here (although he hasn't gotten back to me in 
a while

- and I think he has been busy and hasn't been checking e-mails for a
while) suggested I connect the main boot drive to another computer 
- and
run ChkDsk. Well, I tried connected it to my laptop - but, the OS 
did NOT
actually "SEE" the drive. I attempted to actually connect it 
inside of my
wife's PC - but, when it booted - Same thing - it was like the OS 
could not

"SEE" the drive!

So - I'm getting kinda desperate here - and hoping someone can 
help me
out. Again - if I put it BACK in the original PC - it does attempt 
to Boot

- but, then the BSOD comes up...

TIA,
-K-

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RE: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[John Harvey]

You might want to get a kit that allows you to connect to the sata drive
from your laptop via usb. I ordered one of those off the internet and used
it to pull data from a drive just a few weeks ago.

John Harvey

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From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt @ VR-FX
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 1:01 PM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

Hello there folks,

Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was my main PC - but, it died
several months ago. I have my laptop - which has been my primary computing
device for quite a while now - but, the desktop PC has some stuff on there
that's not on my laptop.

FYI - the computer does attempt to Boot up - and even starts loading the OS
(WinXP Pro 64) - and comes up with the MS logo. But, during the boot up - it
eventually fails and drops to a BSOD screen - which is always a lovely thing
to see!

Someone on the list here (although he hasn't gotten back to me in a while -
and I think he has been busy and hasn't been checking e-mails for a while)
suggested I connect the main boot drive to another computer
- and run ChkDsk. Well, I tried connected it to my laptop - but, the OS did
NOT actually "SEE" the drive. I attempted to actually connect it inside of
my wife's PC - but, when it booted - Same thing - it was like the OS could
not "SEE" the drive!

So - I'm getting kinda desperate here - and hoping someone can help me out.
Again - if I put it BACK in the original PC - it does attempt to Boot - but,
then the BSOD comes up...

TIA,
-K-

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Kurt,

It's not my favorite process, but I did successfully (knock on wood) 
reinstall a WinXP system on a BSOD computer last week. Something in the 
boot process was causing it to freeze during boot. I just booted to a 
WinXP CD, got into the Recovery Console.


Here's a link to the article that provided the info I used.
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/10-things-you-can-do-when-windows-xp-wont-boot/6031733

Mike


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Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX 
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/14/2012 1:28 PM
Where I can find out how to make the Linux Boot CD.

Also - U got me wrong - I did NOT want to Boot from the Bad HD - just 
attach it and be able to access it from the OS after it was attached. I 
attempted to run the ChkDsk from the Dead PC - but, it wouldn't work...


-K-


On 11/14/2012 2:20 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote:
Linux has tools to check and fix the drive as well. Might give you an 
idea as to what the problem is.


Trying to boot the drive in another computer is rarely a good or 
successful idea.



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On Nov 14, 2012, at 11:18 AM, "Kurt @ VR-FX"  wrote:

YEah - but, that's doesn't solve the main problem - that this PC 
won't boot. Also, there is CG SW that's locked to that PC - and its 
Another reason why I really want to get that PC running again.


It was initially suggested that I run a ChkDsk on the boot HD in 
question - the do a Windows repair - to try and get it working again 
- and keep all data & SW still functional - so, this is what I am 
still after.


-K-


On 11/14/2012 2:09 PM, Ted Roche wrote:
Download a Linux LiveCD (or USB) and boot from that instead. If 
there is
not a hardware problem with the disk drive, you should be able to 
open the

hdd and browse for the files you need. Save them off to a USB tab, send
them to a shared network file share, or email them to yourself.


On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX  
wrote:



Hello there folks,

Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was my main PC - but, it 
died
several months ago. I have my laptop - which has been my primary 
computing
device for quite a while now - but, the desktop PC has some stuff 
on there

that's not on my laptop.

FYI - the computer does attempt to Boot up - and even starts 
loading the
OS (WinXP Pro 64) - and comes up with the MS logo. But, during the 
boot up
- it eventually fails and drops to a BSOD screen - which is always 
a lovely

thing to see!

Someone on the list here (although he hasn't gotten back to me in a 
while

- and I think he has been busy and hasn't been checking e-mails for a
while) suggested I connect the main boot drive to another computer 
- and
run ChkDsk. Well, I tried connected it to my laptop - but, the OS 
did NOT
actually "SEE" the drive. I attempted to actually connect it inside 
of my
wife's PC - but, when it booted - Same thing - it was like the OS 
could not

"SEE" the drive!

So - I'm getting kinda desperate here - and hoping someone can help me
out. Again - if I put it BACK in the original PC - it does attempt 
to Boot

- but, then the BSOD comes up...

TIA,
-K-

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Ubuntu.com
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You can download an ISO from either then you can burn that to a CD or flash 
drive and boot your computer, hopefully, from there. 


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On Nov 14, 2012, at 11:28 AM, "Kurt @ VR-FX"  wrote:

> Where I can find out how to make the Linux Boot CD.
> 
> Also - U got me wrong - I did NOT want to Boot from the Bad HD - just attach 
> it and be able to access it from the OS after it was attached. I attempted to 
> run the ChkDsk from the Dead PC - but, it wouldn't work...
> 
> -K-
> 
> 
> On 11/14/2012 2:20 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote:
>> Linux has tools to check and fix the drive as well. Might give you an idea 
>> as to what the problem is.
>> 
>> Trying to boot the drive in another computer is rarely a good or successful 
>> idea.
>> 
>> 
>> Michael Oke, II
>> 661-349-6221
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>> 
>> On Nov 14, 2012, at 11:18 AM, "Kurt @ VR-FX"  wrote:
>> 
>>> YEah - but, that's doesn't solve the main problem - that this PC won't 
>>> boot. Also, there is CG SW that's locked to that PC - and its Another 
>>> reason why I really want to get that PC running again.
>>> 
>>> It was initially suggested that I run a ChkDsk on the boot HD in question - 
>>> the do a Windows repair - to try and get it working again - and keep all 
>>> data & SW still functional - so, this is what I am still after.
>>> 
>>> -K-
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/14/2012 2:09 PM, Ted Roche wrote:
 Download a Linux LiveCD (or USB) and boot from that instead. If there is
 not a hardware problem with the disk drive, you should be able to open the
 hdd and browse for the files you need. Save them off to a USB tab, send
 them to a shared network file share, or email them to yourself.
 
 
 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX  wrote:
 
> Hello there folks,
> 
> Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was my main PC - but, it died
> several months ago. I have my laptop - which has been my primary computing
> device for quite a while now - but, the desktop PC has some stuff on there
> that's not on my laptop.
> 
> FYI - the computer does attempt to Boot up - and even starts loading the
> OS (WinXP Pro 64) - and comes up with the MS logo. But, during the boot up
> - it eventually fails and drops to a BSOD screen - which is always a 
> lovely
> thing to see!
> 
> Someone on the list here (although he hasn't gotten back to me in a while
> - and I think he has been busy and hasn't been checking e-mails for a
> while) suggested I connect the main boot drive to another computer - and
> run ChkDsk. Well, I tried connected it to my laptop - but, the OS did NOT
> actually "SEE" the drive. I attempted to actually connect it inside of my
> wife's PC - but, when it booted - Same thing - it was like the OS could 
> not
> "SEE" the drive!
> 
> So - I'm getting kinda desperate here - and hoping someone can help me
> out. Again - if I put it BACK in the original PC - it does attempt to Boot
> - but, then the BSOD comes up...
> 
> TIA,
> -K-
> 
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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Kurt @ VR-FX]

Where I can find out how to make the Linux Boot CD.

Also - U got me wrong - I did NOT want to Boot from the Bad HD - just 
attach it and be able to access it from the OS after it was attached. I 
attempted to run the ChkDsk from the Dead PC - but, it wouldn't work...


-K-


On 11/14/2012 2:20 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote:

Linux has tools to check and fix the drive as well. Might give you an idea as 
to what the problem is.

Trying to boot the drive in another computer is rarely a good or successful 
idea.


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On Nov 14, 2012, at 11:18 AM, "Kurt @ VR-FX"  wrote:


YEah - but, that's doesn't solve the main problem - that this PC won't boot. 
Also, there is CG SW that's locked to that PC - and its Another reason why I 
really want to get that PC running again.

It was initially suggested that I run a ChkDsk on the boot HD in question - the do 
a Windows repair - to try and get it working again - and keep all data & SW 
still functional - so, this is what I am still after.

-K-


On 11/14/2012 2:09 PM, Ted Roche wrote:

Download a Linux LiveCD (or USB) and boot from that instead. If there is
not a hardware problem with the disk drive, you should be able to open the
hdd and browse for the files you need. Save them off to a USB tab, send
them to a shared network file share, or email them to yourself.


On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX  wrote:


Hello there folks,

Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was my main PC - but, it died
several months ago. I have my laptop - which has been my primary computing
device for quite a while now - but, the desktop PC has some stuff on there
that's not on my laptop.

FYI - the computer does attempt to Boot up - and even starts loading the
OS (WinXP Pro 64) - and comes up with the MS logo. But, during the boot up
- it eventually fails and drops to a BSOD screen - which is always a lovely
thing to see!

Someone on the list here (although he hasn't gotten back to me in a while
- and I think he has been busy and hasn't been checking e-mails for a
while) suggested I connect the main boot drive to another computer - and
run ChkDsk. Well, I tried connected it to my laptop - but, the OS did NOT
actually "SEE" the drive. I attempted to actually connect it inside of my
wife's PC - but, when it booted - Same thing - it was like the OS could not
"SEE" the drive!

So - I'm getting kinda desperate here - and hoping someone can help me
out. Again - if I put it BACK in the original PC - it does attempt to Boot
- but, then the BSOD comes up...

TIA,
-K-

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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

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Linux has tools to check and fix the drive as well. Might give you an idea as 
to what the problem is. 

Trying to boot the drive in another computer is rarely a good or successful 
idea. 


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On Nov 14, 2012, at 11:18 AM, "Kurt @ VR-FX"  wrote:

> YEah - but, that's doesn't solve the main problem - that this PC won't boot. 
> Also, there is CG SW that's locked to that PC - and its Another reason why I 
> really want to get that PC running again.
> 
> It was initially suggested that I run a ChkDsk on the boot HD in question - 
> the do a Windows repair - to try and get it working again - and keep all data 
> & SW still functional - so, this is what I am still after.
> 
> -K-
> 
> 
> On 11/14/2012 2:09 PM, Ted Roche wrote:
>> Download a Linux LiveCD (or USB) and boot from that instead. If there is
>> not a hardware problem with the disk drive, you should be able to open the
>> hdd and browse for the files you need. Save them off to a USB tab, send
>> them to a shared network file share, or email them to yourself.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello there folks,
>>> 
>>> Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was my main PC - but, it died
>>> several months ago. I have my laptop - which has been my primary computing
>>> device for quite a while now - but, the desktop PC has some stuff on there
>>> that's not on my laptop.
>>> 
>>> FYI - the computer does attempt to Boot up - and even starts loading the
>>> OS (WinXP Pro 64) - and comes up with the MS logo. But, during the boot up
>>> - it eventually fails and drops to a BSOD screen - which is always a lovely
>>> thing to see!
>>> 
>>> Someone on the list here (although he hasn't gotten back to me in a while
>>> - and I think he has been busy and hasn't been checking e-mails for a
>>> while) suggested I connect the main boot drive to another computer - and
>>> run ChkDsk. Well, I tried connected it to my laptop - but, the OS did NOT
>>> actually "SEE" the drive. I attempted to actually connect it inside of my
>>> wife's PC - but, when it booted - Same thing - it was like the OS could not
>>> "SEE" the drive!
>>> 
>>> So - I'm getting kinda desperate here - and hoping someone can help me
>>> out. Again - if I put it BACK in the original PC - it does attempt to Boot
>>> - but, then the BSOD comes up...
>>> 
>>> TIA,
>>> -K-
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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Kurt @ VR-FX]

YEah - but, that's doesn't solve the main problem - that this PC won't 
boot. Also, there is CG SW that's locked to that PC - and its Another 
reason why I really want to get that PC running again.


It was initially suggested that I run a ChkDsk on the boot HD in 
question - the do a Windows repair - to try and get it working again - 
and keep all data & SW still functional - so, this is what I am still after.


-K-


On 11/14/2012 2:09 PM, Ted Roche wrote:

Download a Linux LiveCD (or USB) and boot from that instead. If there is
not a hardware problem with the disk drive, you should be able to open the
hdd and browse for the files you need. Save them off to a USB tab, send
them to a shared network file share, or email them to yourself.


On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX  wrote:


Hello there folks,

Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was my main PC - but, it died
several months ago. I have my laptop - which has been my primary computing
device for quite a while now - but, the desktop PC has some stuff on there
that's not on my laptop.

FYI - the computer does attempt to Boot up - and even starts loading the
OS (WinXP Pro 64) - and comes up with the MS logo. But, during the boot up
- it eventually fails and drops to a BSOD screen - which is always a lovely
thing to see!

Someone on the list here (although he hasn't gotten back to me in a while
- and I think he has been busy and hasn't been checking e-mails for a
while) suggested I connect the main boot drive to another computer - and
run ChkDsk. Well, I tried connected it to my laptop - but, the OS did NOT
actually "SEE" the drive. I attempted to actually connect it inside of my
wife's PC - but, when it booted - Same thing - it was like the OS could not
"SEE" the drive!

So - I'm getting kinda desperate here - and hoping someone can help me
out. Again - if I put it BACK in the original PC - it does attempt to Boot
- but, then the BSOD comes up...

TIA,
-K-

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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Kurt @ VR-FX]

SATA Seagate 500 GB

Need any other spec's?

-K-


On 11/14/2012 2:08 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote:

What are the specs of the drive?


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On Nov 14, 2012, at 11:00 AM, "Kurt @ VR-FX"  wrote:


Hello there folks,

Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was my main PC - but, it died several 
months ago. I have my laptop - which has been my primary computing device for 
quite a while now - but, the desktop PC has some stuff on there that's not on 
my laptop.

FYI - the computer does attempt to Boot up - and even starts loading the OS 
(WinXP Pro 64) - and comes up with the MS logo. But, during the boot up - it 
eventually fails and drops to a BSOD screen - which is always a lovely thing to 
see!

Someone on the list here (although he hasn't gotten back to me in a while - and I think he has been 
busy and hasn't been checking e-mails for a while) suggested I connect the main boot drive to 
another computer - and run ChkDsk. Well, I tried connected it to my laptop - but, the OS did NOT 
actually "SEE" the drive. I attempted to actually connect it inside of my wife's PC - 
but, when it booted - Same thing - it was like the OS could not "SEE" the drive!

So - I'm getting kinda desperate here - and hoping someone can help me out. 
Again - if I put it BACK in the original PC - it does attempt to Boot - but, 
then the BSOD comes up...

TIA,
-K-


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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

[Ted Roche]

Download a Linux LiveCD (or USB) and boot from that instead. If there is
not a hardware problem with the disk drive, you should be able to open the
hdd and browse for the files you need. Save them off to a USB tab, send
them to a shared network file share, or email them to yourself.


On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX  wrote:

> Hello there folks,
>
> Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was my main PC - but, it died
> several months ago. I have my laptop - which has been my primary computing
> device for quite a while now - but, the desktop PC has some stuff on there
> that's not on my laptop.
>
> FYI - the computer does attempt to Boot up - and even starts loading the
> OS (WinXP Pro 64) - and comes up with the MS logo. But, during the boot up
> - it eventually fails and drops to a BSOD screen - which is always a lovely
> thing to see!
>
> Someone on the list here (although he hasn't gotten back to me in a while
> - and I think he has been busy and hasn't been checking e-mails for a
> while) suggested I connect the main boot drive to another computer - and
> run ChkDsk. Well, I tried connected it to my laptop - but, the OS did NOT
> actually "SEE" the drive. I attempted to actually connect it inside of my
> wife's PC - but, when it booted - Same thing - it was like the OS could not
> "SEE" the drive!
>
> So - I'm getting kinda desperate here - and hoping someone can help me
> out. Again - if I put it BACK in the original PC - it does attempt to Boot
> - but, then the BSOD comes up...
>
> TIA,
> -K-
>
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Re: [NF] SATA Drive & a Dead PC...

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What are the specs of the drive?


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On Nov 14, 2012, at 11:00 AM, "Kurt @ VR-FX"  wrote:

> Hello there folks,
> 
> Here's the deal. I have a desktop PC that was my main PC - but, it died 
> several months ago. I have my laptop - which has been my primary computing 
> device for quite a while now - but, the desktop PC has some stuff on there 
> that's not on my laptop.
> 
> FYI - the computer does attempt to Boot up - and even starts loading the OS 
> (WinXP Pro 64) - and comes up with the MS logo. But, during the boot up - it 
> eventually fails and drops to a BSOD screen - which is always a lovely thing 
> to see!
> 
> Someone on the list here (although he hasn't gotten back to me in a while - 
> and I think he has been busy and hasn't been checking e-mails for a while) 
> suggested I connect the main boot drive to another computer - and run ChkDsk. 
> Well, I tried connected it to my laptop - but, the OS did NOT actually "SEE" 
> the drive. I attempted to actually connect it inside of my wife's PC - but, 
> when it booted - Same thing - it was like the OS could not "SEE" the drive!
> 
> So - I'm getting kinda desperate here - and hoping someone can help me out. 
> Again - if I put it BACK in the original PC - it does attempt to Boot - but, 
> then the BSOD comes up...
> 
> TIA,
> -K-
> 
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