Re: [NF] MICROSOFT WINDOWS OUSTED AT CALIFORNIA SCHOOL DISTRICT|SearchOpenSource.com
On Mar 7, 2007, at 6:24 AM, mrgmhale wrote: > Selling (reselling license for) VFP or a Windows OS, not a penny. > Licensing > the solutions I created based Windows & VFP, plenty enough since I > released > my first VFP commercial app in 2001. That's the point. Companies like RedHat don't make their money selling the OS; they make it on support. No OS - not Windows, not Mac, not Linux - can deployed enterprise-wide without requiring some support. Companies that provide that support will be the ones making money - there's your profit motive. Does anyone think that once a company pays for their Windows licenses that they have no further costs associated with running Windows? -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] MICROSOFT WINDOWS OUSTED AT CALIFORNIA SCHOOL DISTRICT|SearchOpenSource.com
Question for you "profit" folks: how many of you have made significant $$ selling VFP? Or selling Windows? Or .Net? Selling (reselling license for) VFP or a Windows OS, not a penny. Licensing the solutions I created based Windows & VFP, plenty enough since I released my first VFP commercial app in 2001. Well, maybe not plenty enough, but quite significant. Although I can distribute VFP solutions and databases free of additional M$ fees on machines already running Windows OS, the use of VFP to produce a viable solution in the market enables/entitles me to charge a fee for my Value Added piece. The value for the end user has little to do with the application I select to develop a needed solution. Hell, if I could have pulled this off in Access I doubt any of my clients could really care, assuming it was cost them no more and was as fast & stable under load that is ... Gil > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:52 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [NF] MICROSOFT WINDOWS OUSTED AT CALIFORNIA SCHOOL > DISTRICT|SearchOpenSource.com > > > On Mar 6, 2007, at 6:55 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote: > > > LOL!!! Good example, Stephen! So many times the zealots seem to give > > off this kind of "air." Kind of like Mac vs PC guy commercials: some > > would see the Mac guy as cool/hip, whereas others might see him as > > arrogant. Some might see the PC guy as nerdy/complex, whereas others > > see him as professional/business-like. > > Question for you "profit" folks: how many of you have made > significant $$ selling VFP? Or selling Windows? Or .Net? > > Now how many people have made significant $$ selling solutions to > problems written in VFP? Or running on Windows? Or written/running > in .Net? > > Google provides the best search services in the world for > free. They > can't possibly succeed unless they charge for each search!! Oh, wait > - they found a way to capitalize on all those millions of eyeballs > flocking to their service. There goes another simple-minded theory > down the tubes. > > -- Ed Leafe > -- http://leafe.com > -- http://dabodev.com > > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Michael Madigan wrote: > I really thought Lindows was going to change > everything, I was wrong. > Wonder why it didn't catch on as much as many expected? Perhaps it was strong arm tactics from "The Man" (aka M$). -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Right, but Linux has to be running on computers to sell Linux apps. How are you going to convince computer manufacturers to pre-install Linux on computers if there is no profit motive? It's rumored that Dell is going to do it, but we'll see. I really thought Lindows was going to change everything, I was wrong. > Now how many people have made significant $$ > selling solutions to > problems written in VFP? Or running on Windows? Or > written/running > in .Net? > > Google provides the best search services in the > world for free. They > can't possibly succeed unless they charge for each > search!! Oh, wait > - they found a way to capitalize on all those > millions of eyeballs > flocking to their service. There goes another > simple-minded theory > down the tubes. > > -- Ed Leafe > -- http://leafe.com > -- http://dabodev.com > > > > > ___ > Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com > Subscription Maintenance: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox > OT-free version of this list: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech > ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, > are the opinions of the author, and do not > constitute legal or medical advice. This statement > is added to the messages for those lawyers who are > too stupid to see the obvious. > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] MICROSOFT WINDOWS OUSTED AT CALIFORNIA SCHOOL DISTRICT |SearchOpenSource.com
Well yeah, if you're going to have adds popping up when linux boots like socket_init() in linux/init/main.c causes the following network initializations: linux/net/socket.c prints: * Buy Star Wars on DVD * Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 * Pocket protectors 50% off * * Pocket protectors.com * linux/net/unix/af_unix.c prints: --- Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 6, 2007, at 6:55 PM, MB Software Solutions > wrote: > > > LOL!!! Good example, Stephen! So many times the > zealots seem to give > > off this kind of "air." Kind of like Mac vs PC > guy commercials: some > > would see the Mac guy as cool/hip, whereas others > might see him as > > arrogant. Some might see the PC guy as > nerdy/complex, whereas others > > see him as professional/business-like. > > Question for you "profit" folks: how many of you > have made > significant $$ selling VFP? Or selling Windows? Or > .Net? > > Now how many people have made significant $$ > selling solutions to > problems written in VFP? Or running on Windows? Or > written/running > in .Net? > > Google provides the best search services in the > world for free. They > can't possibly succeed unless they charge for each > search!! Oh, wait > - they found a way to capitalize on all those > millions of eyeballs > flocking to their service. There goes another > simple-minded theory > down the tubes. > > -- Ed Leafe > -- http://leafe.com > -- http://dabodev.com > > > > > ___ > Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com > Subscription Maintenance: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox > OT-free version of this list: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech > ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, > are the opinions of the author, and do not > constitute legal or medical advice. This statement > is added to the messages for those lawyers who are > too stupid to see the obvious. > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Mar 6, 2007, at 6:55 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote: > LOL!!! Good example, Stephen! So many times the zealots seem to give > off this kind of "air." Kind of like Mac vs PC guy commercials: some > would see the Mac guy as cool/hip, whereas others might see him as > arrogant. Some might see the PC guy as nerdy/complex, whereas others > see him as professional/business-like. Question for you "profit" folks: how many of you have made significant $$ selling VFP? Or selling Windows? Or .Net? Now how many people have made significant $$ selling solutions to problems written in VFP? Or running on Windows? Or written/running in .Net? Google provides the best search services in the world for free. They can't possibly succeed unless they charge for each search!! Oh, wait - they found a way to capitalize on all those millions of eyeballs flocking to their service. There goes another simple-minded theory down the tubes. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] MICROSOFT WINDOWS OUSTED AT CALIFORNIA SCHOOL DISTRICT |SearchOpenSource.com
Michael Madigan wrote: > wow that gives me a great idea! > > Celebrity Chess. > > Britney Spears v Paris Hilton in a 10 hour, > bikini-clad snoozer > And every time they lose a chess piece, they have to also lose an article of clothing. And the loser has to shave her head. (Looks like Britney lost!) -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] MICROSOFT WINDOWS OUSTED AT CALIFORNIA SCHOOL DISTRICT |SearchOpenSource.com
It's about time some Finnish Geek starts writing another OS. How about we call it Vihtorix? --- MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stephen the Cook wrote: > > Holy crap, Michael and I agree. If there isn't a > great profit motive then > > it's just a big hobby group. Much like chess > players international. They > > are a large group but wonder why Poker is getting > all the big money events. > > > > LOL!!! Good example, Stephen! So many times the > zealots seem to give > off this kind of "air." Kind of like Mac vs PC guy > commercials: some > would see the Mac guy as cool/hip, whereas others > might see him as > arrogant. Some might see the PC guy as > nerdy/complex, whereas others > see him as professional/business-like. > > -- > Michael J. Babcock, MCP > MB Software Solutions, LLC > http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com > http://fabmate.com > "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software > solutions!" > > > > ___ > Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com > Subscription Maintenance: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox > OT-free version of this list: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech > ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, > are the opinions of the author, and do not > constitute legal or medical advice. This statement > is added to the messages for those lawyers who are > too stupid to see the obvious. > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] MICROSOFT WINDOWS OUSTED AT CALIFORNIA SCHOOL DISTRICT |SearchOpenSource.com
wow that gives me a great idea! Celebrity Chess. Britney Spears v Paris Hilton in a 10 hour, bikini-clad snoozer --- Stephen the Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Madigan <> wrote: > > You're asking quite a bit of Linux. Never has a > technology taken > > hold without there being a profit motive for the > technology. > > Holy crap, Michael and I agree. If there isn't a > great profit motive then > it's just a big hobby group. Much like chess > players international. They > are a large group but wonder why Poker is getting > all the big money events. > > > > Stephen Russell > DBA / .Net Developer > > Memphis TN 38115 > 901.246-0159 > > "A good way to judge people is by observing how they > treat those who > can do them absolutely no good." ---Unknown > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - > Release Date: 3/5/2007 > 9:41 AM > > > > > ___ > Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com > Subscription Maintenance: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox > OT-free version of this list: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech > ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, > are the opinions of the author, and do not > constitute legal or medical advice. This statement > is added to the messages for those lawyers who are > too stupid to see the obvious. > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] MICROSOFT WINDOWS OUSTED AT CALIFORNIA SCHOOL DISTRICT | SearchOpenSource.com
No, it's a t-shirt site. My point is that in the general population of surfers, Linux is only 1.6% http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike --- Kevin Cully <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does your web site offer information that would be > of interest to Linux > users? > > Michael Madigan wrote: > > After years and years of much fanfare, 1.6% of the > > visitors to my sites are Linux. > > > > > ___ > Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com > Subscription Maintenance: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox > OT-free version of this list: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech > ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, > are the opinions of the author, and do not > constitute legal or medical advice. This statement > is added to the messages for those lawyers who are > too stupid to see the obvious. > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] MICROSOFT WINDOWS OUSTED AT CALIFORNIA SCHOOL DISTRICT|SearchOpenSource.com
Its that sort of comment which is not well thought out, and implimated
which gets my blood to boil.
. When doing research, generic web surfing / information gathering, how
how does one land on a corp web site which is full of flash automation.
Really a pain if you surf anywhere but intranets using wise terms.
Bob Lee
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Madigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [NF] MICROSOFT WINDOWS OUSTED AT CALIFORNIA SCHOOL
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> Control isn't a bad thing. How much time during a day
> are people surfing the net or bringing in viruses into
> a company's network?
>
>
>
>
> --- Bob Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Same thing here.. Its all about the control..
>> Before you consider rolling out the latest wise
>> terms look at the speed when
>> using video, or flash, or shokwave.. or anything
>> media related.. They quite
>> frankly SUCK.
>>
>> Bob Lee
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Andy Davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 12:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NF] MICROSOFT WINDOWS OUSTED AT
>> CALIFORNIA SCHOOL DISTRICT
>> |SearchOpenSource.com
>>
>>
>> > in response to:
>> >>> Surely you can concede that Linux is growing,
>> not stagnant or shrinking?
>> >
>> > MM said:
>> >>Not on the desktop is isn't, where most of these
>> kids will be working.
>> >
>> > but they're *not* working on the desktop they are
>> using a 'thin
>> > client'** -
>> > which is my objection to this as a pro-linux story
>> ...
>> >
>> > that and the fact that someone who 'loves the OS'
>> apparently can't come up
>> > with a script to grant privs
>> >
>> > ** they don't appear to say *which* client - just
>> that 'the OS ... is not
>> > built for the thin client'
>> > It may be I'm a bit sensitive about 'thin clients'
>> - my employers are in
>> > the process of rolling out Wyse terminals + Citrix
>> to replace 95% of pc's
>> > ("what goes around comes around" - but sometimes
>> in reverse! - one of the
>> > factors that did lead to the takeup of [IBM] pc's
>> was that they could
>> > replace dumb terminals, and were cheaper. The Wyse
>> terminals are now
>> > cheaper - but not much, it's really all a control
>> thing.
>> >
>> >
>> > Andrew Davies MBCS CITP
>> > - AndyD 8-)#
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: [NF] MICROSOFT WINDOWS OUSTED AT CALIFORNIA SCHOOL DISTRICT |SearchOpenSource.com
Stephen the Cook wrote: > Holy crap, Michael and I agree. If there isn't a great profit motive then > it's just a big hobby group. Much like chess players international. They > are a large group but wonder why Poker is getting all the big money events. > LOL!!! Good example, Stephen! So many times the zealots seem to give off this kind of "air." Kind of like Mac vs PC guy commercials: some would see the Mac guy as cool/hip, whereas others might see him as arrogant. Some might see the PC guy as nerdy/complex, whereas others see him as professional/business-like. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] MICROSOFT WINDOWS OUSTED AT CALIFORNIA SCHOOL DISTRICT |SearchOpenSource.com
Michael Madigan <> wrote: > You're asking quite a bit of Linux. Never has a technology taken > hold without there being a profit motive for the technology. Holy crap, Michael and I agree. If there isn't a great profit motive then it's just a big hobby group. Much like chess players international. They are a large group but wonder why Poker is getting all the big money events. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 "A good way to judge people is by observing how they treat those who can do them absolutely no good." ---Unknown http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 9:41 AM ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Does your web site offer information that would be of interest to Linux users? Michael Madigan wrote: > After years and years of much fanfare, 1.6% of the > visitors to my sites are Linux. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] MICROSOFT WINDOWS OUSTED AT CALIFORNIA SCHOOL DISTRICT |SearchOpenSource.com
If I'm not mistaking, IBM was not too happy when the
first clones hit the market.
--- Jerry Wolper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I don't think that was the case. IBM PC became
> prominent because
> >> businesses wouldn't switch from minis to Apples
> because it was
> >> thought of as a "toy".
> >> It was business that made the IBM PC.
> >
> > What?
>
> Mike's right. It was IBM's entry into the market
> that made PCs a
> "safe" purchase for businesses. ("Nobody was ever
> fired for buying
> Blue.") And it was IBM's antitrust concerns that led
> them into their
> non-exclusive deal with Microsoft for an operating
> system, which led
> to both clones and Bill Gates' billions.
>
> -Jerry Wolper
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I was talking Linux in general, not this individual case. After years and years of much fanfare, 1.6% of the visitors to my sites are Linux. With file and web servers, I agree that Linux is doing pretty well, but there is a huge financial advantage to using Linux servers over Windows. There isn't much of a financial advantage on the Desktop, at least not yet. Maybe the overpriced Vista will change that. --- Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/6/07, Michael Madigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > You're asking quite a bit of Linux. Never has a > > technology taken hold without there being a profit > > motive for the technology. > > This is not some pony-tailed, Berkenstock-wearing > hippies taking over > the school and teaching free love; this is a Novell > success story. > Novell's getting paid to do this, I'm sure: > > http://www.novell.com/success/windsor_unified.html > > -- > Ted Roche > Ted Roche & Associates, LLC > http://www.tedroche.com > > > ___ > Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com > Subscription Maintenance: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox > OT-free version of this list: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech > ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, > are the opinions of the author, and do not > constitute legal or medical advice. This statement > is added to the messages for those lawyers who are > too stupid to see the obvious. > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Control isn't a bad thing. How much time during a day
are people surfing the net or bringing in viruses into
a company's network?
--- Bob Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Same thing here.. Its all about the control..
> Before you consider rolling out the latest wise
> terms look at the speed when
> using video, or flash, or shokwave.. or anything
> media related.. They quite
> frankly SUCK.
>
> Bob Lee
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Andy Davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 12:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [NF] MICROSOFT WINDOWS OUSTED AT
> CALIFORNIA SCHOOL DISTRICT
> |SearchOpenSource.com
>
>
> > in response to:
> >>> Surely you can concede that Linux is growing,
> not stagnant or shrinking?
> >
> > MM said:
> >>Not on the desktop is isn't, where most of these
> kids will be working.
> >
> > but they're *not* working on the desktop they are
> using a 'thin
> > client'** -
> > which is my objection to this as a pro-linux story
> ...
> >
> > that and the fact that someone who 'loves the OS'
> apparently can't come up
> > with a script to grant privs
> >
> > ** they don't appear to say *which* client - just
> that 'the OS ... is not
> > built for the thin client'
> > It may be I'm a bit sensitive about 'thin clients'
> - my employers are in
> > the process of rolling out Wyse terminals + Citrix
> to replace 95% of pc's
> > ("what goes around comes around" - but sometimes
> in reverse! - one of the
> > factors that did lead to the takeup of [IBM] pc's
> was that they could
> > replace dumb terminals, and were cheaper. The Wyse
> terminals are now
> > cheaper - but not much, it's really all a control
> thing.
> >
> >
> > Andrew Davies MBCS CITP
> > - AndyD 8-)#
> >
> >
> >
>
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instead of "Taken hold" I should have said "replaced" or "dominated". Oh sure there's firefox. Right now firefox is 22% of the browsers that surf my website. But profit motive will be the only thing that makes this the dominant browser. Linux, on the other hand accounts for 1.6% of my visitors. Do you think after all this time Linux could have gotten more than 1.6%? --- MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Madigan wrote: > > You're asking quite a bit of Linux. Never has a > > technology taken hold without there being a profit > > motive for the technology. > > > So nothing of open source (because some of it is > free under the GPL > license and some of its derivatives) can take hold? > > > -- > Michael J. Babcock, MCP > MB Software Solutions, LLC > http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com > http://fabmate.com > "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software > solutions!" > > > > ___ > Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com > Subscription Maintenance: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox > OT-free version of this list: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech > ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, > are the opinions of the author, and do not > constitute legal or medical advice. This statement > is added to the messages for those lawyers who are > too stupid to see the obvious. > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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>> I don't think that was the case. IBM PC became prominent because
>> businesses wouldn't switch from minis to Apples because it was
>> thought of as a "toy".
>> It was business that made the IBM PC.
>
> What?
Mike's right. It was IBM's entry into the market that made PCs a
"safe" purchase for businesses. ("Nobody was ever fired for buying
Blue.") And it was IBM's antitrust concerns that led them into their
non-exclusive deal with Microsoft for an operating system, which led
to both clones and Bill Gates' billions.
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Success story? Novell use to be the number one server software out there but totally lost site and fell to a mere footnote in today's networking software. Where did their market share go to? Microsoft of course. jeff fisher, MCP www.turbofish.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 3:13 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] MICROSOFT WINDOWS OUSTED AT CALIFORNIA SCHOOL DISTRICT | SearchOpenSource.com This is not some pony-tailed, Berkenstock-wearing hippies taking over the school and teaching free love; this is a Novell success story. Novell's getting paid to do this, I'm sure: http://www.novell.com/success/windsor_unified.html -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 3/6/07, Michael Madigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're asking quite a bit of Linux. Never has a > technology taken hold without there being a profit > motive for the technology. This is not some pony-tailed, Berkenstock-wearing hippies taking over the school and teaching free love; this is a Novell success story. Novell's getting paid to do this, I'm sure: http://www.novell.com/success/windsor_unified.html -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Same thing here.. Its all about the control..
Before you consider rolling out the latest wise terms look at the speed when
using video, or flash, or shokwave.. or anything media related.. They quite
frankly SUCK.
Bob Lee
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> in response to:
>>> Surely you can concede that Linux is growing, not stagnant or shrinking?
>
> MM said:
>>Not on the desktop is isn't, where most of these kids will be working.
>
> but they're *not* working on the desktop they are using a 'thin
> client'** -
> which is my objection to this as a pro-linux story ...
>
> that and the fact that someone who 'loves the OS' apparently can't come up
> with a script to grant privs
>
> ** they don't appear to say *which* client - just that 'the OS ... is not
> built for the thin client'
> It may be I'm a bit sensitive about 'thin clients' - my employers are in
> the process of rolling out Wyse terminals + Citrix to replace 95% of pc's
> ("what goes around comes around" - but sometimes in reverse! - one of the
> factors that did lead to the takeup of [IBM] pc's was that they could
> replace dumb terminals, and were cheaper. The Wyse terminals are now
> cheaper - but not much, it's really all a control thing.
>
>
> Andrew Davies MBCS CITP
> - AndyD 8-)#
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Michael Madigan wrote: > You're asking quite a bit of Linux. Never has a > technology taken hold without there being a profit > motive for the technology. > So nothing of open source (because some of it is free under the GPL license and some of its derivatives) can take hold? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I'm even talking before the clones came out. Or are you talking about the peripherals and cards? --- Alan Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Madigan wrote: > > It was business that made the IBM PC. > > > > ... because since it was an open architecture, > anyone could make one, > hence competition arose in the market. > > > ___ > Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com > Subscription Maintenance: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox > OT-free version of this list: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech > ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, > are the opinions of the author, and do not > constitute legal or medical advice. This statement > is added to the messages for those lawyers who are > too stupid to see the obvious. > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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You're asking quite a bit of Linux. Never has a technology taken hold without there being a profit motive for the technology. --- MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Madigan wrote: > > Not on the desktop is isn't, where most of these > kids > > will be working. > > > > How long have we been hearing that Linux is going > to > > replace Microsoft on the desktop? 5 years? 10 > year? > > > > > You're right. It's like the voice recognition > stuff. Let's just call > all of them off. Scratch all of those efforts. > Pack it in. We'll just > have to accept that things will always be this > (current) way. > > > > > -- > Michael J. Babcock, MCP > MB Software Solutions, LLC > http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com > http://fabmate.com > "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software > solutions!" > > > > ___ > Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com > Subscription Maintenance: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox > OT-free version of this list: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech > ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, > are the opinions of the author, and do not > constitute legal or medical advice. This statement > is added to the messages for those lawyers who are > too stupid to see the obvious. > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Michael Madigan wrote: > It was business that made the IBM PC. > ... because since it was an open architecture, anyone could make one, hence competition arose in the market. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Lol! Someone is having a bad day! Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Crozier Posted At: 06 March 2007 13:18 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] MICROSOFT WINDOWS OUSTED AT CALIFORNIA SCHOOL DISTRICT|SearchOpenSource.com Subject: RE: [NF] MICROSOFT WINDOWS OUSTED AT CALIFORNIA SCHOOL DISTRICT|SearchOpenSource.com Unlike at present where we have intelligent Terminals and Dumb users! Then again most users have always been dumb. Dave Crozier -- This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless otherwise agreed expressly in writing by Marine Software Limited, this communication and attachments are to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it was sent. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication you should destroy it without copying, disclosing or otherwise using its contents. Please notify the sender immediately of the error. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marine Software Limited. Registered in England & Wales. No 2576494 Regsitered Office. Unit3, Aylesham Business Pk, Aylesham. Kent. UK -- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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They aren't dumb in the sense of terminals of old (VT100 style) that I used as little as ten years ago. Most schools use thin clients for student use machines, there is less incentive for them to be stolen as there is no use for them in a home environment, the TOC is lower and the ease of deployment should be miles better. ::a PS It could be Kilometers better but metrication sucks for decent quotes! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: 06 March 2007 12:49 That was the point of my original response.it seems like a throw-back to the old mainframe days with dumb terminals. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Unlike at present where we have intelligent Terminals and Dumb users!
Then again most users have always been dumb.
Dave Crozier
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Andy Davies wrote:
> but they're *not* working on the desktop they are using a 'thin client'**
-
> which is my objection to this as a pro-linux story ...
>
> that and the fact that someone who 'loves the OS' apparently can't come up
> with a script to grant privs
>
> ** they don't appear to say *which* client - just that 'the OS ... is not
> built for the thin client'
> It may be I'm a bit sensitive about 'thin clients' - my employers are in
> the process of rolling out Wyse terminals + Citrix to replace 95% of pc's
> ("what goes around comes around" - but sometimes in reverse! - one of the
> factors that did lead to the takeup of [IBM] pc's was that they could
> replace dumb terminals, and were cheaper. The Wyse terminals are now
> cheaper - but not much, it's really all a control thing.
>
>
>
That was the point of my original response.it seems like a
throw-back to the old mainframe days with dumb terminals.
--
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Andy Davies wrote:
> but they're *not* working on the desktop they are using a 'thin client'** -
> which is my objection to this as a pro-linux story ...
>
> that and the fact that someone who 'loves the OS' apparently can't come up
> with a script to grant privs
>
> ** they don't appear to say *which* client - just that 'the OS ... is not
> built for the thin client'
> It may be I'm a bit sensitive about 'thin clients' - my employers are in
> the process of rolling out Wyse terminals + Citrix to replace 95% of pc's
> ("what goes around comes around" - but sometimes in reverse! - one of the
> factors that did lead to the takeup of [IBM] pc's was that they could
> replace dumb terminals, and were cheaper. The Wyse terminals are now
> cheaper - but not much, it's really all a control thing.
>
>
>
That was the point of my original response.it seems like a
throw-back to the old mainframe days with dumb terminals.
--
Michael J. Babcock, MCP
MB Software Solutions, LLC
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Michael Madigan wrote: > Not on the desktop is isn't, where most of these kids > will be working. > > How long have we been hearing that Linux is going to > replace Microsoft on the desktop? 5 years? 10 year? > > You're right. It's like the voice recognition stuff. Let's just call all of them off. Scratch all of those efforts. Pack it in. We'll just have to accept that things will always be this (current) way. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Michael Madigan <> wrote: > I don't think that was the case. IBM PC became prominent because > businesses wouldn't switch from minis to Apples because it was > thought of as a "toy". > It was business that made the IBM PC. What? Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 "A good way to judge people is by observing how they treat those who can do them absolutely no good." ---Unknown http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 9:41 AM ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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in response to:
>> Surely you can concede that Linux is growing, not stagnant or shrinking?
MM said:
>Not on the desktop is isn't, where most of these kids will be working.
but they're *not* working on the desktop they are using a 'thin client'** -
which is my objection to this as a pro-linux story ...
that and the fact that someone who 'loves the OS' apparently can't come up
with a script to grant privs
** they don't appear to say *which* client - just that 'the OS ... is not
built for the thin client'
It may be I'm a bit sensitive about 'thin clients' - my employers are in
the process of rolling out Wyse terminals + Citrix to replace 95% of pc's
("what goes around comes around" - but sometimes in reverse! - one of the
factors that did lead to the takeup of [IBM] pc's was that they could
replace dumb terminals, and were cheaper. The Wyse terminals are now
cheaper - but not much, it's really all a control thing.
Andrew Davies MBCS CITP
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I don't think that was the case. IBM PC became prominent because businesses wouldn't switch from minis to Apples because it was thought of as a "toy". It was business that made the IBM PC. --- MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kevin Cully wrote: > > Quote from the article: > > "At our Brooks facility, the OS wasn't that easy > to manipulate for our > > thin clients," Carver said. "I love the OS, but it > is not built for the > > thin client." Carver said Novell promised more > identity support during > > the summer in the form of a software update. > > > > Me: That's cool that Novell is so responsive to a > school system. > > That's customer service! > > > > > Schools could be the way to go...remember that's how > IBM PCs seem to > come into prominence...they replaced Apple at the > schools. Perhaps > that's where the revolution will occur, propelling > the next non-Windows > replacement to the general masses? > > -- > Michael J. Babcock, MCP > MB Software Solutions, LLC > http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com > http://fabmate.com > "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software > solutions!" > > > > ___ > Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com > Subscription Maintenance: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox > OT-free version of this list: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech > ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, > are the opinions of the author, and do not > constitute legal or medical advice. This statement > is added to the messages for those lawyers who are > too stupid to see the obvious. > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Not on the desktop is isn't, where most of these kids will be working. How long have we been hearing that Linux is going to replace Microsoft on the desktop? 5 years? 10 year? > > Ok Mike, I'll bitecan you explain why they can't > use those skills? > Is it because it's a Microsoft world at this point? > Surely you can > concede that Linux is growing, not stagnant or > shrinking? > > -- > Michael J. Babcock, MCP > MB Software Solutions, LLC > http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com > http://fabmate.com > "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software > solutions!" > > > > ___ > Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com > Subscription Maintenance: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox > OT-free version of this list: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech > ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, > are the opinions of the author, and do not > constitute legal or medical advice. This statement > is added to the messages for those lawyers who are > too stupid to see the obvious. > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Michael Madigan wrote: > That's great, give our kids a skill they probably > can't use once they get a job. > Ok Mike, I'll bitecan you explain why they can't use those skills? Is it because it's a Microsoft world at this point? Surely you can concede that Linux is growing, not stagnant or shrinking? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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That's great, give our kids a skill they probably can't use once they get a job. --- David Crooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After a few speed bumps, the Windsor School District > is on track to all > but eliminate Microsoft Windows in favor of Novell > SUSE Linux servers > and desktops. > http://go.techtarget.com/r/1076960/6030287 > > David L. Crooks > > > > ___ > Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com > Subscription Maintenance: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox > OT-free version of this list: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech > ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, > are the opinions of the author, and do not > constitute legal or medical advice. This statement > is added to the messages for those lawyers who are > too stupid to see the obvious. > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Monday, March 05, 2007 1:44 PM Ted Roche wrote: >WHY ARE YOU YELLING? :) >This is happening every day. A full switch-over is a bit radical, but many schools are >heterogenous, and a lot are moving towards a Linux-heavy backbone with mixed Linux, Mac and >Windows clients. I did not mean to yell and just copied the headline into the subject from article. Sorry for any emotional distress this may have caused anyone. :-) David L. Crooks ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Ted Roche wrote: > On 3/5/07, MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> So, it's back to the "thin client" thinking, eh? >> > > K12LTSP (Kindergarten - Grade 12 Linux Terminal Server Project) is a > great way to use older and less resource-intensive machines in a > classrooom to share the same environment, allow for easier management > and provide better control. The thin client model can work pretty well > there. > > One of the bigger challenges I hear from school administrators is the > problem of keeping all the machines uniform. K12LTSP lets you do that > sort of thing. It also lets you distribute different images, so the > classroom lab can be set for office work in the morning and rebooted > into web development in the afternoon. Pretty cool. > > Wow...that last part about imaging *is* REALLY COOL! (Yes, I was shouting about that. ) -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Kevin Cully wrote: > Quote from the article: > "At our Brooks facility, the OS wasn't that easy to manipulate for our > thin clients," Carver said. "I love the OS, but it is not built for the > thin client." Carver said Novell promised more identity support during > the summer in the form of a software update. > > Me: That's cool that Novell is so responsive to a school system. > That's customer service! > > Schools could be the way to go...remember that's how IBM PCs seem to come into prominence...they replaced Apple at the schools. Perhaps that's where the revolution will occur, propelling the next non-Windows replacement to the general masses? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 3/5/07, MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So, it's back to the "thin client" thinking, eh? K12LTSP (Kindergarten - Grade 12 Linux Terminal Server Project) is a great way to use older and less resource-intensive machines in a classrooom to share the same environment, allow for easier management and provide better control. The thin client model can work pretty well there. One of the bigger challenges I hear from school administrators is the problem of keeping all the machines uniform. K12LTSP lets you do that sort of thing. It also lets you distribute different images, so the classroom lab can be set for office work in the morning and rebooted into web development in the afternoon. Pretty cool. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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WHY ARE YOU YELLING? :) This is happening every day. A full switch-over is a bit radical, but many schools are heterogenous, and a lot are moving towards a Linux-heavy backbone with mixed Linux, Mac and Windows clients. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Quote from the article: "At our Brooks facility, the OS wasn't that easy to manipulate for our thin clients," Carver said. "I love the OS, but it is not built for the thin client." Carver said Novell promised more identity support during the summer in the form of a software update. Me: That's cool that Novell is so responsive to a school system. That's customer service! -Kevin David Crooks wrote: > After a few speed bumps, the Windsor School District is on track to all > but eliminate Microsoft Windows in favor of Novell SUSE Linux servers > and desktops. > http://go.techtarget.com/r/1076960/6030287 > > David L. Crooks > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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David Crooks wrote: > After a few speed bumps, the Windsor School District is on track to all > but eliminate Microsoft Windows in favor of Novell SUSE Linux servers > and desktops. > http://go.techtarget.com/r/1076960/6030287 > > David L. Crooks > So, it's back to the "thin client" thinking, eh? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
