Re: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[Michael Madigan]

Get a color laser, the consumables will be much less and there will be much 
less aggravation.  Injets are really costly to run.

We have used the Lexmark color printers with great success.





--- On Mon, 11/3/08, NickC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: NickC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> To: "'ProFox Email List'" 
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 8:52 AM
> Oops, should have been [NF], sorry forgot.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > Of Nick Causton
> > Sent: 03 November 2008 12:57
> > To: 'ProFox Email List'
> > Subject: Printer recomendation
> > 
> > Does anyone have any experience of Ricoh inkjets?
> > 
> > I need some workgroup inkjets and am thinking of
> buying some Ricoh 3050n.
> > Problem is I cannot find anyone that has any
> experience of these, good or
> > bad.
> > 
> > Workgroup printer requirements and intended use:
> > 
> > Each workgroup has say six people.
> > Low throughput, less than 1000 pages per month for
> each workgroup.
> > Most pages (certificates) printed have a small picture
> on them, so colour
> > is
> > 
> > needed for 80% of pages printed.
> > Any large runs of black on white are done on a central
> high-volume Canon
> > laser.
> > In our experience inkjets deliver much better quality
> and more vibrant
> > colours than lasers, the output just looks of a more
> professional quality.
> > 
> > Any opinions / suggestions?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Nick
> > 
> > 
> > 
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RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[John Weller]

I have just bought an HP Colour Laser - cost me £150 so would probably cost
you $150.  Very pleased with the results!

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631  

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
> Sent: 03 November 2008 17:20
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> 
> Get a color laser, the consumables will be much less and 
> there will be much less aggravation.  Injets are really costly to run.
> 
> We have used the Lexmark color printers with great success.
> 
> 



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Re: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[MB Software Solutions, LLC]

John Weller wrote:
> I have just bought an HP Colour Laser - cost me £150 so would probably cost
> you $150.  Very pleased with the results!
> 
> John Weller
> 01380 723235
> 07976 393631  
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
>> Sent: 03 November 2008 17:20
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
>>
>> Get a color laser, the consumables will be much less and 
>> there will be much less aggravation.  Injets are really costly to run.
>>
>> We have used the Lexmark color printers with great success.


I would never get another inkjet.  Lasers are best for long term costs, 
imo, for the regular office printing requirements.



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RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[Gil Hale]

I have invested in 4 HP ColorLaserJet 3600n units.  They use the HP
ColorSphere technology with their toner manufacturing.  The toner particle
are grown like a crystel to get uniform sized particles, as opposed to
pulverized with disparate sizes.  Thus the distribution is more controlled
to get adequate (excellent) coverage and depth of output on the media.
Further, there is less toner waste with that technology as there is no
splattering to try to get the coverage needed to get a decent output.

The other month Staples was selling them for $249!  I do not know if they
bumped their price back yet or not, but the HP site had the same $250 price,
plus shipping and tax of course.  That was 50% off their retail price, which
was lower than the retail price I paid in 12/2005 for my first unit.  Even
at their full retail price I have found them to be excellent values, and
performance has been equally excellent.

Gil

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Madigan
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:20 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
>
>
> Get a color laser, the consumables will be much less and there
> will be much less aggravation.  Injets are really costly to run.
>
> We have used the Lexmark color printers with great success.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, NickC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > From: NickC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > To: "'ProFox Email List'" 
> > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 8:52 AM
> > Oops, should have been [NF], sorry forgot.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > > Of Nick Causton
> > > Sent: 03 November 2008 12:57
> > > To: 'ProFox Email List'
> > > Subject: Printer recomendation
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any experience of Ricoh inkjets?
> > >
> > > I need some workgroup inkjets and am thinking of
> > buying some Ricoh 3050n.
> > > Problem is I cannot find anyone that has any
> > experience of these, good or
> > > bad.
> > >
> > > Workgroup printer requirements and intended use:
> > >
> > > Each workgroup has say six people.
> > > Low throughput, less than 1000 pages per month for
> > each workgroup.
> > > Most pages (certificates) printed have a small picture
> > on them, so colour
> > > is
> > >
> > > needed for 80% of pages printed.
> > > Any large runs of black on white are done on a central
> > high-volume Canon
> > > laser.
> > > In our experience inkjets deliver much better quality
> > and more vibrant
> > > colours than lasers, the output just looks of a more
> > professional quality.
> > >
> > > Any opinions / suggestions?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >   Nick
> > >
> > >
> > >
[excessive quoting removed by server]

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RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[Gil Hale]

BTW, the 3600n has both a USB and a LAN port, and with the LAN port I set my
units up as network printers without any problems with Windows, Mac OS X and
Ubuntu 7.10 & 8.04.  It rocks!

Gil

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gil Hale
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:13 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
>
>
> I have invested in 4 HP ColorLaserJet 3600n units.  They use the HP
> ColorSphere technology with their toner manufacturing.  The toner particle
> are grown like a crystel to get uniform sized particles, as opposed to
> pulverized with disparate sizes.  Thus the distribution is more controlled
> to get adequate (excellent) coverage and depth of output on the media.
> Further, there is less toner waste with that technology as there is no
> splattering to try to get the coverage needed to get a decent output.
>
> The other month Staples was selling them for $249!  I do not know if they
> bumped their price back yet or not, but the HP site had the same
> $250 price,
> plus shipping and tax of course.  That was 50% off their retail
> price, which
> was lower than the retail price I paid in 12/2005 for my first unit.  Even
> at their full retail price I have found them to be excellent values, and
> performance has been equally excellent.
>
> Gil
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Madigan
> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:20 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> >
> >
> > Get a color laser, the consumables will be much less and there
> > will be much less aggravation.  Injets are really costly to run.
> >
> > We have used the Lexmark color printers with great success.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, NickC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > From: NickC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > > To: "'ProFox Email List'" 
> > > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 8:52 AM
> > > Oops, should have been [NF], sorry forgot.
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > > > Of Nick Causton
> > > > Sent: 03 November 2008 12:57
> > > > To: 'ProFox Email List'
> > > > Subject: Printer recomendation
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have any experience of Ricoh inkjets?
> > > >
> > > > I need some workgroup inkjets and am thinking of
> > > buying some Ricoh 3050n.
> > > > Problem is I cannot find anyone that has any
> > > experience of these, good or
> > > > bad.
> > > >
> > > > Workgroup printer requirements and intended use:
> > > >
> > > > Each workgroup has say six people.
> > > > Low throughput, less than 1000 pages per month for
> > > each workgroup.
> > > > Most pages (certificates) printed have a small picture
> > > on them, so colour
> > > > is
> > > >
> > > > needed for 80% of pages printed.
> > > > Any large runs of black on white are done on a central
> > > high-volume Canon
> > > > laser.
> > > > In our experience inkjets deliver much better quality
> > > and more vibrant
> > > > colours than lasers, the output just looks of a more
> > > professional quality.
> > > >
> > > > Any opinions / suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Nick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[Michael Madigan]

Yep.  I'll never buy another inkjet.

 

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> To: profox@leafe.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:14 PM
> BTW, the 3600n has both a USB and a LAN port, and with the
> LAN port I set my
> units up as network printers without any problems with
> Windows, Mac OS X and
> Ubuntu 7.10 & 8.04.  It rocks!
> 
> Gil
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gil
> Hale
> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:13 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> >
> >
> > I have invested in 4 HP ColorLaserJet 3600n units. 
> They use the HP
> > ColorSphere technology with their toner manufacturing.
>  The toner particle
> > are grown like a crystel to get uniform sized
> particles, as opposed to
> > pulverized with disparate sizes.  Thus the
> distribution is more controlled
> > to get adequate (excellent) coverage and depth of
> output on the media.
> > Further, there is less toner waste with that
> technology as there is no
> > splattering to try to get the coverage needed to get a
> decent output.
> >
> > The other month Staples was selling them for $249!  I
> do not know if they
> > bumped their price back yet or not, but the HP site
> had the same
> > $250 price,
> > plus shipping and tax of course.  That was 50% off
> their retail
> > price, which
> > was lower than the retail price I paid in 12/2005 for
> my first unit.  Even
> > at their full retail price I have found them to be
> excellent values, and
> > performance has been equally excellent.
> >
> > Gil
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Michael Madigan
> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:20 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > >
> > >
> > > Get a color laser, the consumables will be much
> less and there
> > > will be much less aggravation.  Injets are really
> costly to run.
> > >
> > > We have used the Lexmark color printers with
> great success.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, NickC
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: NickC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Subject: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > > > To: "'ProFox Email List'"
> 
> > > > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 8:52 AM
> > > > Oops, should have been [NF], sorry forgot.
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > > > > Of Nick Causton
> > > > > Sent: 03 November 2008 12:57
> > > > > To: 'ProFox Email List'
> > > > > Subject: Printer recomendation
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone have any experience of
> Ricoh inkjets?
> > > > >
> > > > > I need some workgroup inkjets and am
> thinking of
> > > > buying some Ricoh 3050n.
> > > > > Problem is I cannot find anyone that
> has any
> > > > experience of these, good or
> > > > > bad.
> > > > >
> > > > > Workgroup printer requirements and
> intended use:
> > > > >
> > > > > Each workgroup has say six people.
> > > > > Low throughput, less than 1000 pages
> per month for
> > > > each workgroup.
> > > > > Most pages (certificates) printed have
> a small picture
> > > > on them, so colour
> > > > > is
> > > > >
> > > > > needed for 80% of pages printed.
> > > > > Any large runs of black on white are
> done on a central
> > > > high-volume Canon
> > > > > laser.
> > > > > In our experience inkjets deliver much
> better quality
> > > > and more vibrant
> > > > > colours than lasers, the output just
> looks of a more
> > > > professional quality.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any opinions / suggestions?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >   Nick
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
[excessive quoting removed by server]

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RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[Gil Hale]

Actually, for true photo-quality prints nothing (yet) really beats a good
ink jet.  I have a Xeros Phaser 8550 "solid ink" (wax ) printer that is
supposed to provide excellent print results for graphics.  It does,
sometimes barely noticeably better than my HP CLJ 3600n, but our HP
PhotoSmart (or whatever) ink jet kicks both their asses with its quality.
Then again, it is rare we need something that precision printed, so most
print jobs, including photos, go to the 3600n units (because the Xerox
Phaser 8550 is in a different computer room, and takes a while to warm up).

Gil

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Madigan
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:21 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
>
>
> Yep.  I'll never buy another inkjet.
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > From: Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > To: profox@leafe.com
> > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:14 PM
> > BTW, the 3600n has both a USB and a LAN port, and with the
> > LAN port I set my
> > units up as network printers without any problems with
> > Windows, Mac OS X and
> > Ubuntu 7.10 & 8.04.  It rocks!
> >
> > Gil
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gil
> > Hale
> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:13 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > >
> > >
> > > I have invested in 4 HP ColorLaserJet 3600n units.
> > They use the HP
> > > ColorSphere technology with their toner manufacturing.
> >  The toner particle
> > > are grown like a crystel to get uniform sized
> > particles, as opposed to
> > > pulverized with disparate sizes.  Thus the
> > distribution is more controlled
> > > to get adequate (excellent) coverage and depth of
> > output on the media.
> > > Further, there is less toner waste with that
> > technology as there is no
> > > splattering to try to get the coverage needed to get a
> > decent output.
> > >
> > > The other month Staples was selling them for $249!  I
> > do not know if they
> > > bumped their price back yet or not, but the HP site
> > had the same
> > > $250 price,
> > > plus shipping and tax of course.  That was 50% off
> > their retail
> > > price, which
> > > was lower than the retail price I paid in 12/2005 for
> > my first unit.  Even
> > > at their full retail price I have found them to be
> > excellent values, and
> > > performance has been equally excellent.
> > >
> > > Gil
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> > Michael Madigan
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:20 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Get a color laser, the consumables will be much
> > less and there
> > > > will be much less aggravation.  Injets are really
> > costly to run.
> > > >
> > > > We have used the Lexmark color printers with
> > great success.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, NickC
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: NickC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Subject: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > > > > To: "'ProFox Email List'"
> > 
> > > > > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 8:52 AM
> > > > > Oops, should have been [NF], sorry forgot.
> > > > >
> > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > > > > > Of Nick Causton
> > > > > > Sent: 03 November 2008 12:57
> > > > > > To: 'ProFox Email List'
> > > > > > Subject: Printer recomendation
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone have any experience of
> > Ricoh inkjets?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I need some workgroup inkjets and am

Re: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[Jean Laeremans]

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Michael Madigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yep.  I'll never buy another inkjet.

For once we agree.

A+
jml


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RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[Michael Madigan]

Yep.  But for photos, I just use walgreens.com or walmart.com

 

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> To: profox@leafe.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:31 PM
> Actually, for true photo-quality prints nothing (yet) really
> beats a good
> ink jet.  I have a Xeros Phaser 8550 "solid ink"
> (wax ) printer that is
> supposed to provide excellent print results for graphics. 
> It does,
> sometimes barely noticeably better than my HP CLJ 3600n,
> but our HP
> PhotoSmart (or whatever) ink jet kicks both their asses
> with its quality.
> Then again, it is rare we need something that precision
> printed, so most
> print jobs, including photos, go to the 3600n units
> (because the Xerox
> Phaser 8550 is in a different computer room, and takes a
> while to warm up).
> 
> Gil
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Michael Madigan
> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:21 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> >
> >
> > Yep.  I'll never buy another inkjet.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > > To: profox@leafe.com
> > > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:14 PM
> > > BTW, the 3600n has both a USB and a LAN port, and
> with the
> > > LAN port I set my
> > > units up as network printers without any problems
> with
> > > Windows, Mac OS X and
> > > Ubuntu 7.10 & 8.04.  It rocks!
> > >
> > > Gil
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Gil
> > > Hale
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:13 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have invested in 4 HP ColorLaserJet 3600n
> units.
> > > They use the HP
> > > > ColorSphere technology with their toner
> manufacturing.
> > >  The toner particle
> > > > are grown like a crystel to get uniform
> sized
> > > particles, as opposed to
> > > > pulverized with disparate sizes.  Thus the
> > > distribution is more controlled
> > > > to get adequate (excellent) coverage and
> depth of
> > > output on the media.
> > > > Further, there is less toner waste with that
> > > technology as there is no
> > > > splattering to try to get the coverage
> needed to get a
> > > decent output.
> > > >
> > > > The other month Staples was selling them for
> $249!  I
> > > do not know if they
> > > > bumped their price back yet or not, but the
> HP site
> > > had the same
> > > > $250 price,
> > > > plus shipping and tax of course.  That was
> 50% off
> > > their retail
> > > > price, which
> > > > was lower than the retail price I paid in
> 12/2005 for
> > > my first unit.  Even
> > > > at their full retail price I have found them
> to be
> > > excellent values, and
> > > > performance has been equally excellent.
> > > >
> > > > Gil
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of
> > > Michael Madigan
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:20
> PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: Re: [NF] RE: Printer
> recomendation
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Get a color laser, the consumables will
> be much
> > > less and there
> > > > > will be much less aggravation.  Injets
> are really
> > > costly to run.
> > > > >
> > > > > We have used the Lexmark color printers
> with
> > > great success.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, NickC
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: NickC
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[Michael Madigan]

For once, you're right. LOL
 


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Jean Laeremans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Jean Laeremans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> To: "ProFox Email List" 
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:47 PM
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Michael Madigan
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yep.  I'll never buy another inkjet.
> 
> For once we agree.
> 
> A+
> jml
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Re: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[KAM.covad]

We agreed with that also. I have posted here and other places about the 
outrageous price of ink for the Epson printer (we have the 
RX580). Recently we were going to trash a perfectly good printer because of the 
bad luck with cheaper inks. We really like the 
print quality, but not at that price. Our problem is that we need to print on 
CDs & DVDs and the color laser won't do that.

We read a post somewhere about this: (on eBay)
CIS CISS system for Epson R380 RX580 Rx595 Rx680 w/ ink

We figured for about $50 dollars it was worth a try. It takes about 20 minutes 
to set up. They have a youtube video and they sent 2 
CDs with video to help. So far it is wonderful. You get huge containers of each 
of the 6 ink colors. I was afraid it would clog up 
since we sometimes don't use it for a few days, but so far it has not. If it 
continues to work like it is now, this is the ultimate 
solution. You can get a bottle of ink really cheaply to refill the reserviors. 
No more fooling with those stupid little cartridges.

We have a KonicaMinolta model magicolor 2400W from Costco that works great 
after about 2 years.

We have 2 Brother MFC black/white lasers that work great after more than 2 
years. The autofeed never fails. We use them for 
scanning as well as faxing and printing. The toner is reasonable.

We tried an Okidata color laser and a Canon color laser and returned both of 
them - they were both junky printers. Funny since we 
have sold hundreds of Oki dot matrix printers over the years and they are real 
work horses. We have 2 Canon black/white lasers that 
we bought to use as default printers on networks. The auto-feed on both of them 
stopped working after about 6 months - again junky 
printers with expensive toner.


- Original Message - 
From: "Jean Laeremans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ProFox Email List" 
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation


On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Michael Madigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yep.  I'll never buy another inkjet.

For once we agree.

A+
jml


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RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[Mike yearwood]

Gil - Thanks for that information! I'll pass along the name of that printer.

Mike - I have to tell you about the Canon inkjets - like the MX310.
It's a color scanner / color printer / fax - multi-function. The need
we had was to print membership cards. They're about the size of a
credit card. Despite being told all over that it was not possible,
they can print things that small. They're pretty fast too. A
combination of one of these and one of Gil's HPs allows a small
business to do a lot of custom print jobs.

Mike Yearwood
Microsoft MVP 2008 - Visual FoxPro

>   6. RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation (Michael Madigan)
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:21:09 -0800 (PST)
> From: Michael Madigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Yep.  I'll never buy another inkjet.


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RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[NickC]

Hi Gil,

Yep, that is the problem.  As I mentioned in my original post 80% of the
pages printed have a picture (identification photo) on them hence the need
for the better quality photo printing of an inkjet over a laser.  In this
case the quality of the printed documents is directly related to the
professional image of the Company.

Nick

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Gil Hale
> Sent: 03 November 2008 18:31
> To: profox@leafe.com
> Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> 
> Actually, for true photo-quality prints nothing (yet) really beats a good
> ink jet.  I have a Xeros Phaser 8550 "solid ink" (wax ) printer that is
> supposed to provide excellent print results for graphics.  It does,
> sometimes barely noticeably better than my HP CLJ 3600n, but our HP
> PhotoSmart (or whatever) ink jet kicks both their asses with its quality.
> Then again, it is rare we need something that precision printed, so most
> print jobs, including photos, go to the 3600n units (because the Xerox
> Phaser 8550 is in a different computer room, and takes a while to warm
> up).
> 
> Gil
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Madigan
> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:21 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> >
> >
> > Yep.  I'll never buy another inkjet.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > > To: profox@leafe.com
> > > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:14 PM
> > > BTW, the 3600n has both a USB and a LAN port, and with the
> > > LAN port I set my
> > > units up as network printers without any problems with
> > > Windows, Mac OS X and
> > > Ubuntu 7.10 & 8.04.  It rocks!
> > >
> > > Gil
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gil
> > > Hale
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:13 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have invested in 4 HP ColorLaserJet 3600n units.
> > > They use the HP
> > > > ColorSphere technology with their toner manufacturing.
> > >  The toner particle
> > > > are grown like a crystel to get uniform sized
> > > particles, as opposed to
> > > > pulverized with disparate sizes.  Thus the
> > > distribution is more controlled
> > > > to get adequate (excellent) coverage and depth of
> > > output on the media.
> > > > Further, there is less toner waste with that
> > > technology as there is no
> > > > splattering to try to get the coverage needed to get a
> > > decent output.
> > > >
> > > > The other month Staples was selling them for $249!  I
> > > do not know if they
> > > > bumped their price back yet or not, but the HP site
> > > had the same
> > > > $250 price,
> > > > plus shipping and tax of course.  That was 50% off
> > > their retail
> > > > price, which
> > > > was lower than the retail price I paid in 12/2005 for
> > > my first unit.  Even
> > > > at their full retail price I have found them to be
> > > excellent values, and
> > > > performance has been equally excellent.
> > > >
> > > > Gil
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> > > Michael Madigan
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:20 PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: Re: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Get a color laser, the consumables will be much
> > > less and there
> > > > > will be much less aggravation.  Injets are really
> > > costly to run.
> > > > >
> > > > > We have used the Lexmark color printers with
> > > great success.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, NickC
>

RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[Michael Madigan]

You should try a sample printout with a laser printer and see if it is OK for 
your purposes.

I have a real estate office that uses lasers to print out multiple listing 
printouts and they look fine.


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, NickC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: NickC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> To: "'ProFox Email List'" 
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 2:47 PM
> Hi Gil,
> 
> Yep, that is the problem.  As I mentioned in my original
> post 80% of the
> pages printed have a picture (identification photo) on them
> hence the need
> for the better quality photo printing of an inkjet over a
> laser.  In this
> case the quality of the printed documents is directly
> related to the
> professional image of the Company.
> 
> Nick
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > Of Gil Hale
> > Sent: 03 November 2008 18:31
> > To: profox@leafe.com
> > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > 
> > Actually, for true photo-quality prints nothing (yet)
> really beats a good
> > ink jet.  I have a Xeros Phaser 8550 "solid
> ink" (wax ) printer that is
> > supposed to provide excellent print results for
> graphics.  It does,
> > sometimes barely noticeably better than my HP CLJ
> 3600n, but our HP
> > PhotoSmart (or whatever) ink jet kicks both their
> asses with its quality.
> > Then again, it is rare we need something that
> precision printed, so most
> > print jobs, including photos, go to the 3600n units
> (because the Xerox
> > Phaser 8550 is in a different computer room, and takes
> a while to warm
> > up).
> > 
> > Gil
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Michael Madigan
> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:21 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > >
> > >
> > > Yep.  I'll never buy another inkjet.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Gil Hale
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > > > To: profox@leafe.com
> > > > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:14 PM
> > > > BTW, the 3600n has both a USB and a LAN
> port, and with the
> > > > LAN port I set my
> > > > units up as network printers without any
> problems with
> > > > Windows, Mac OS X and
> > > > Ubuntu 7.10 & 8.04.  It rocks!
> > > >
> > > > Gil
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Gil
> > > > Hale
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:13 PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer
> recomendation
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have invested in 4 HP ColorLaserJet
> 3600n units.
> > > > They use the HP
> > > > > ColorSphere technology with their toner
> manufacturing.
> > > >  The toner particle
> > > > > are grown like a crystel to get uniform
> sized
> > > > particles, as opposed to
> > > > > pulverized with disparate sizes.  Thus
> the
> > > > distribution is more controlled
> > > > > to get adequate (excellent) coverage
> and depth of
> > > > output on the media.
> > > > > Further, there is less toner waste with
> that
> > > > technology as there is no
> > > > > splattering to try to get the coverage
> needed to get a
> > > > decent output.
> > > > >
> > > > > The other month Staples was selling
> them for $249!  I
> > > > do not know if they
> > > > > bumped their price back yet or not, but
> the HP site
> > > > had the same
> > > > > $250 price,
> > > > > plus shipping and tax of course.  That
> was 50% off
> > > > their retail
> > > > > price, which
> > > > > was lower than the retail price I paid
> in 12/2005 for
> > > > my first unit.  Even
> > > > > at their full retail price I have found
> them to be
> > > > excellent values, and
&

RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[Gil Hale]

Good point, we do that at times for End Of Year Greeting Cards (aka Xmas
cards, but I don't do Xmas - me be da' Grinch, y'allz).  We send out about
250 cards with pictures of our 3 Siberian Huskies.  It would take a long
time, and cost a small fortune, to do that on a home inkjet.

Gil

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Madigan
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:54 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
>
>
> Yep.  But for photos, I just use walgreens.com or walmart.com
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > From: Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > To: profox@leafe.com
> > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:31 PM
> > Actually, for true photo-quality prints nothing (yet) really
> > beats a good
> > ink jet.  I have a Xeros Phaser 8550 "solid ink"
> > (wax ) printer that is
> > supposed to provide excellent print results for graphics.
> > It does,
> > sometimes barely noticeably better than my HP CLJ 3600n,
> > but our HP
> > PhotoSmart (or whatever) ink jet kicks both their asses
> > with its quality.
> > Then again, it is rare we need something that precision
> > printed, so most
> > print jobs, including photos, go to the 3600n units
> > (because the Xerox
> > Phaser 8550 is in a different computer room, and takes a
> > while to warm up).
> >
> > Gil
> >
> > > -----Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> > Michael Madigan
> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:21 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > >
> > >
> > > Yep.  I'll never buy another inkjet.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > > > To: profox@leafe.com
> > > > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:14 PM
> > > > BTW, the 3600n has both a USB and a LAN port, and
> > with the
> > > > LAN port I set my
> > > > units up as network printers without any problems
> > with
> > > > Windows, Mac OS X and
> > > > Ubuntu 7.10 & 8.04.  It rocks!
> > > >
> > > > Gil
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Behalf Of Gil
> > > > Hale
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:13 PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have invested in 4 HP ColorLaserJet 3600n
> > units.
> > > > They use the HP
> > > > > ColorSphere technology with their toner
> > manufacturing.
> > > >  The toner particle
> > > > > are grown like a crystel to get uniform
> > sized
> > > > particles, as opposed to
> > > > > pulverized with disparate sizes.  Thus the
> > > > distribution is more controlled
> > > > > to get adequate (excellent) coverage and
> > depth of
> > > > output on the media.
> > > > > Further, there is less toner waste with that
> > > > technology as there is no
> > > > > splattering to try to get the coverage
> > needed to get a
> > > > decent output.
> > > > >
> > > > > The other month Staples was selling them for
> > $249!  I
> > > > do not know if they
> > > > > bumped their price back yet or not, but the
> > HP site
> > > > had the same
> > > > > $250 price,
> > > > > plus shipping and tax of course.  That was
> > 50% off
> > > > their retail
> > > > > price, which
> > > > > was lower than the retail price I paid in
> > 12/2005 for
> > > > my first unit.  Even
> > > > > at their full retail price I have found them
> > to be
> > > > excellent values, and
> > > > > performance has been equally excellent.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gil
> > > > >
> > &g

RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[Gil Hale]

Blast it all!  The HP 3600n is back at its new retail price of $500, even on
the HP site.  I KNEW I should have purchased 2 more than I did.  At $250 it
cost 50% to buy the entire printer with fully charged toners (no cheap
"starter toners" with the 3600n units) than to replace the 4 toner
cartridges!  Oh well, next time they drop in price like that I will get 2
more...

Gil

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of NickC
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:47 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
>
>
> Hi Gil,
>
> Yep, that is the problem.  As I mentioned in my original post 80% of the
> pages printed have a picture (identification photo) on them hence the need
> for the better quality photo printing of an inkjet over a laser.  In this
> case the quality of the printed documents is directly related to the
> professional image of the Company.
>
> Nick
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > Of Gil Hale
> > Sent: 03 November 2008 18:31
> > To: profox@leafe.com
> > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> >
> > Actually, for true photo-quality prints nothing (yet) really
> beats a good
> > ink jet.  I have a Xeros Phaser 8550 "solid ink" (wax )
> printer that is
> > supposed to provide excellent print results for graphics.  It does,
> > sometimes barely noticeably better than my HP CLJ 3600n, but our HP
> > PhotoSmart (or whatever) ink jet kicks both their asses with
> its quality.
> > Then again, it is rare we need something that precision printed, so most
> > print jobs, including photos, go to the 3600n units (because the Xerox
> > Phaser 8550 is in a different computer room, and takes a while to warm
> > up).
> >
> > Gil
> >
> > > -----Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Madigan
> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:21 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > >
> > >
> > > Yep.  I'll never buy another inkjet.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > > > To: profox@leafe.com
> > > > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:14 PM
> > > > BTW, the 3600n has both a USB and a LAN port, and with the
> > > > LAN port I set my
> > > > units up as network printers without any problems with
> > > > Windows, Mac OS X and
> > > > Ubuntu 7.10 & 8.04.  It rocks!
> > > >
> > > > Gil
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gil
> > > > Hale
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:13 PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have invested in 4 HP ColorLaserJet 3600n units.
> > > > They use the HP
> > > > > ColorSphere technology with their toner manufacturing.
> > > >  The toner particle
> > > > > are grown like a crystel to get uniform sized
> > > > particles, as opposed to
> > > > > pulverized with disparate sizes.  Thus the
> > > > distribution is more controlled
> > > > > to get adequate (excellent) coverage and depth of
> > > > output on the media.
> > > > > Further, there is less toner waste with that
> > > > technology as there is no
> > > > > splattering to try to get the coverage needed to get a
> > > > decent output.
> > > > >
> > > > > The other month Staples was selling them for $249!  I
> > > > do not know if they
> > > > > bumped their price back yet or not, but the HP site
> > > > had the same
> > > > > $250 price,
> > > > > plus shipping and tax of course.  That was 50% off
> > > > their retail
> > > > > price, which
> > > > > was lower than the retail price I paid in 12/2005 for
> > > > my first unit.  Even
> > > > > at their full retail price I have found th

Re: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[Dave Thayer]

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Blast it all!  The HP 3600n is back at its new retail price of $500, even on
> the HP site.  I KNEW I should have purchased 2 more than I did.  At $250 it
> cost 50% to buy the entire printer with fully charged toners (no cheap
> "starter toners" with the 3600n units) than to replace the 4 toner
> cartridges!  Oh well, next time they drop in price like that I will get 2
> more...
>
Newegg's got 'em for $275 



No mention of the shipping charges, which is unusual for Newegg. At 60
lbs, they might charge differently depending upon your zipcode.
-- 
Dave Thayer
Denver, CO


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RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[Gil Hale]

Thanks for the find.  I may just have to get me one or two more, just
because...  Cheaper than toner!

Gil

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Thayer
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:19 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Blast it all!  The HP 3600n is back at its new retail price of
> $500, even on
> > the HP site.  I KNEW I should have purchased 2 more than I did.
>  At $250 it
> > cost 50% to buy the entire printer with fully charged toners (no cheap
> > "starter toners" with the 3600n units) than to replace the 4 toner
> > cartridges!  Oh well, next time they drop in price like that I
> will get 2
> > more...
> >
> Newegg's got 'em for $275 <http://tinyurl.com/24zscl>
>
> <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828104391>
>
> No mention of the shipping charges, which is unusual for Newegg. At 60
> lbs, they might charge differently depending upon your zipcode.
> --
> Dave Thayer
> Denver, CO
>
>
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RE: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[Gil Hale]

Shipping UPS 3 day to Rochester, NY is $30.00.  No sales tax with shipping
to NY, but if you are in NJ, TN or CA, bend over!

Gil

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Thayer
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:19 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Blast it all!  The HP 3600n is back at its new retail price of
> $500, even on
> > the HP site.  I KNEW I should have purchased 2 more than I did.
>  At $250 it
> > cost 50% to buy the entire printer with fully charged toners (no cheap
> > "starter toners" with the 3600n units) than to replace the 4 toner
> > cartridges!  Oh well, next time they drop in price like that I
> will get 2
> > more...
> >
> Newegg's got 'em for $275 <http://tinyurl.com/24zscl>
>
> <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828104391>
>
> No mention of the shipping charges, which is unusual for Newegg. At 60
> lbs, they might charge differently depending upon your zipcode.
> --
> Dave Thayer
> Denver, CO
>
>
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Re: [NF] RE: Printer recomendation

[MB Software Solutions General Account]

Dave Thayer wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Blast it all!  The HP 3600n is back at its new retail price of $500,
even on
>> the HP site.  I KNEW I should have purchased 2 more than I did.  At
$250 it
>> cost 50% to buy the entire printer with fully charged toners (no cheap
>> "starter toners" with the 3600n units) than to replace the 4 toner
>> cartridges!  Oh well, next time they drop in price like that I will get 2
>> more...
>>
> Newegg's got 'em for $275 
>
> 
>
> No mention of the shipping charges, which is unusual for Newegg. At 60
> lbs, they might charge differently depending upon your zipcode.


Wow...that sounds like a GREAT deal!  I'm tempted to buy one even though
at present I don't need it





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