Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-23 Thread Ted Roche
On 5/22/07, MB Software Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Cool!  VFP work mostly, or open source stuff?

I'm all LAMP, all the time since 2004. My partner is 100% VFP and
likely to stay that way, too.

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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-22 Thread Alan Bourke
What's this? WiFi is going to melt our heads now? Admmit, after we all 
narrowly escaped getting fried by mobile phones.

Pffft.


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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-22 Thread MB Software Solutions
Alan Bourke wrote:
 What's this? WiFi is going to melt our heads now? Admmit, after we all 
 narrowly escaped getting fried by mobile phones.

 Pffft.
   
Some weren't that lucky--and didn't escape getting fried.  g


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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-22 Thread Ted Roche
On 5/21/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Seems a damn freakin' shame to waste a cookie. There are lots of
 computer programmers in India? China? Bulgaria? who would just LOVE to
 have _part_ of a cookie, you know.

Texas. Chicago. Cupertino. Vermont.


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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-22 Thread MB Software Solutions
Ted Roche wrote:
 On 5/21/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Seems a damn freakin' shame to waste a cookie. There are lots of
 computer programmers in India? China? Bulgaria? who would just LOVE to
 have _part_ of a cookie, you know.
 

 Texas. Chicago. Cupertino. Vermont.


   
Oh yeah...there too.  (politically correct)

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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-22 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
Ted Roche wrote:
 On 5/21/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Seems a damn freakin' shame to waste a cookie. There are lots of
 computer programmers in India? China? Bulgaria? who would just LOVE to
 have _part_ of a cookie, you know.
 
 Texas. Chicago. Cupertino. Vermont.

Vermont?

Wassamatta, getting hungry up there? Teddy wanna cookie?

rof'l

Whil


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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-22 Thread Ted Roche
On 5/22/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wassamatta, getting hungry up there? Teddy wanna cookie?

Pht! Vermont's on the left. I'm in the one on the right. We're
fully employed here in the Granite State. All six of us developers.
Really. I've had to turn down a couple of opportunities lately. It's
hoppin'

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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-22 Thread MB Software Solutions
Ted Roche wrote:
 On 5/22/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Wassamatta, getting hungry up there? Teddy wanna cookie?
 

 Pht! Vermont's on the left. I'm in the one on the right. We're
 fully employed here in the Granite State. All six of us developers.
 Really. I've had to turn down a couple of opportunities lately. It's
 hoppin'

   

Cool!  VFP work mostly, or open source stuff?

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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-21 Thread Ted Roche
On 5/20/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And you never know when that breakthrough will happen.

True. And in the meantime, something like the Palm Treo 755p looks
pretty tempting at $279...

http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treo755p/

Compared to dropping $1500+ on a UMPC, a sub-$300 device that suitable
for notes, calendars and phone lookups makes a lot of sense. Wish it
had Wi-Fi, though...

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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-21 Thread Derek Kalweit
 True. And in the meantime, something like the Palm Treo 755p looks
 pretty tempting at $279...

 http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treo755p/

 Compared to dropping $1500+ on a UMPC, a sub-$300 device that suitable
 for notes, calendars and phone lookups makes a lot of sense. Wish it
 had Wi-Fi, though...

UMPC's run Visual Foxpro applications-- Palm/PocketPC's don't. We
offer UMPC's as an option for table-side ordering for our restaurant
POS app, and it works far, far, far better than our PocketPC
offering(which uses Terminal Services with a screen hack I wrote to
maximize screen usage). The UMPC is a full PC and works very well
running VFP apps with very good performance.

There are definitely mobile needs beyond that of simple PIM devices,
just not mainstream yet.

I believe for general consumer/business use, UMPC's won't catch on.
Pocket PC's aren't stable enough(worst OS stability I've experienced
in modern days). I haven't used a Palm-based device in years, so
hopefully they've gotten a lot better since...  Cell phone OS's are
crap-- Microsoft's SmartPhone is OK, but still has some stability
issues similar to PocketPC's, and it isn't a full PocketPC OS, so it
can't run all the applications a real PocketPC runs...


While has it right on screen size-- there needs to be alternatives.
Holographs are a ways off, and I'm guessing people won't want to wear
eyepieces too much(maybe something flip down over one eye, but not
overall goggles or anything). I honestly think the up and coming
technology is roll-up screens. A device that will, when rolled up, be
the size of a cell phone, but you can pull it apart, unrolling a
screen that could be much larger. Technology for this exists today in
RD labs, and I hope to see it in consumer devices within a few years.


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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-21 Thread Peter Cushing
Ted Roche wrote:
 http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treo755p/

 Wish it had Wi-Fi, though...

   
The Government insists Wi-Fi is safe, but a Panorama investigation 
shows that radio frequency radiation levels in some schools are up to 
three times the level found in the main beam of intensity from mobile 
phone masts.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/6674675.stm

I know this is coming from wireless access points and not the above 
device but interesting nevertheless.

Might have a look at the programme later, or even tape it.

Peter



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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-21 Thread Ted Roche
On 5/21/07, Peter Cushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Government insists Wi-Fi is safe, but a Panorama investigation
 shows that radio frequency radiation levels in some schools are up to
 three times the level found in the main beam of intensity from mobile
 phone masts.

I'd be a lot more worried about UV radiation right now than radio
waves. Skin cancers from UV are (excuse the expression) sky-rocketing,
while brain tumors from cell phones and wifi are anecdotal at best.

Are we [OT] yet?

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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-21 Thread Paul Newton
Ted Roche wrote:
 On 5/21/07, Peter Cushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 The Government insists Wi-Fi is safe, but a Panorama investigation
 shows that radio frequency radiation levels in some schools are up to
 three times the level found in the main beam of intensity from mobile
 phone masts.
 

 I'd be a lot more worried about UV radiation right now than radio
 waves. Skin cancers from UV are (excuse the expression) sky-rocketing,
 while brain tumors from cell phones and wifi are anecdotal at best.

 Are we [OT] yet?

   
No - you spolied it and mentioned wifi (again) !




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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-21 Thread Peter Cushing
Ted Roche wrote:
 I'd be a lot more worried about UV radiation right now than radio
 waves. Skin cancers from UV are (excuse the expression) sky-rocketing,
 while brain tumors from cell phones and wifi are anecdotal at best.

   
But. I was alway told that sun tan lotion was for wimps :-)
 Are we [OT] yet?

   
Hopefully not that desperate. 

Peter




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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-21 Thread Derek Kalweit
 The Government insists Wi-Fi is safe, but a Panorama investigation
 shows that radio frequency radiation levels in some schools are up to
 three times the level found in the main beam of intensity from mobile
 phone masts.

Maybe it would be helpful if the kids wore tinfoil hats?

As Ted points out, there are far bigger threats in this world today
than WiFi It's really sad to me that the poll on that site shows
60%/40% are worried/not worried about WiFi. Lemmings, wanting to
believe everything is going to kill them... I wonder if there's a
street outside the schools? Those fumes from the exhaust probably do
far more damage than WiFi ever could..


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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-21 Thread MB Software Solutions
Derek Kalweit wrote:
 The Government insists Wi-Fi is safe, but a Panorama investigation
 shows that radio frequency radiation levels in some schools are up to
 three times the level found in the main beam of intensity from mobile
 phone masts.
 

 Maybe it would be helpful if the kids wore tinfoil hats?

 As Ted points out, there are far bigger threats in this world today
 than WiFi It's really sad to me that the poll on that site shows
 60%/40% are worried/not worried about WiFi. Lemmings, wanting to
 believe everything is going to kill them... I wonder if there's a
 street outside the schools? Those fumes from the exhaust probably do
 far more damage than WiFi ever could..


   

I heard that the recent news of tons of dead bees are being attributed 
to cell-phone/wi-fi signals polluting the air.   ???  We need the 
bees!  ;-)

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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-21 Thread Ted Roche
On 5/21/07, Derek Kalweit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Maybe it would be helpful if the kids wore tinfoil hats?

Well, I can sympathize. Invisible but harmful stuff is all around us,
and the general public just doesn't have the education to know what's
(likely to be) harmless. Fear of the unknown is reasonable, and a
general distrust of government authority is also pretty reasonable
these days. (Are we [OT] yet?)

If you were given an alpha-emitting cookie, a beta-emitting cookie and
a gamma-emitting cookie and told you had to eat one, put one in your
pocket, and throw one away, would you know the right answer? (Without
googling?)

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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-21 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 5/21/07, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you were given an alpha-emitting cookie, a beta-emitting cookie and
 a gamma-emitting cookie and told you had to eat one, put one in your
 pocket, and throw one away, would you know the right answer? (Without
 googling?)

eh ,yes.

A+
jml


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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-21 Thread Ted Roche
On 5/21/07, Jean Laeremans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 eh ,yes.

You would? How's that?


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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-21 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 5/21/07, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 5/21/07, Jean Laeremans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  eh ,yes.

 You would? How's that?

Maybe because i had to study things like those long before the
internet let alone google existed ?
after all that's only college stuff

A+
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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-21 Thread Paul Newton
Ted Roche wrote:
 On 5/21/07, Derek Kalweit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Maybe it would be helpful if the kids wore tinfoil hats?
 

 Well, I can sympathize. Invisible but harmful stuff is all around us,
 and the general public just doesn't have the education to know what's
 (likely to be) harmless. Fear of the unknown is reasonable, and a
 general distrust of government authority is also pretty reasonable
 these days. (Are we [OT] yet?)

 If you were given an alpha-emitting cookie, a beta-emitting cookie and
 a gamma-emitting cookie and told you had to eat one, put one in your
 pocket, and throw one away, would you know the right answer? (Without
 googling?)

   
Eat the alpha pocket the beta and ditch the gamma ?



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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-21 Thread Ted Roche
On 5/21/07, Paul Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Eat the alpha pocket the beta and ditch the gamma ?


Good enough. I actually forgot about the neutron cookie. That's the
one to toss, but your choices work, too, given the question:

http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1406211

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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-21 Thread Paul Newton
Paul Newton wrote:
 Ted Roche wrote:
   
 On 5/21/07, Derek Kalweit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 
 Maybe it would be helpful if the kids wore tinfoil hats?
 
   
 Well, I can sympathize. Invisible but harmful stuff is all around us,
 and the general public just doesn't have the education to know what's
 (likely to be) harmless. Fear of the unknown is reasonable, and a
 general distrust of government authority is also pretty reasonable
 these days. (Are we [OT] yet?)

 If you were given an alpha-emitting cookie, a beta-emitting cookie and
 a gamma-emitting cookie and told you had to eat one, put one in your
 pocket, and throw one away, would you know the right answer? (Without
 googling?)

   
 
 Eat the alpha pocket the beta and ditch the gamma ?
   
OK so I got two wrong - that's not as bad as getting all three wrong.  
Of course I'm disappointed (I would have preferred to get all three 
right) but getting just one wrong wasn't an option, was it ?



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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-21 Thread Paul Newton
Ted Roche wrote:
 On 5/21/07, Paul Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Eat the alpha pocket the beta and ditch the gamma ?

 

 Good enough. I actually forgot about the neutron cookie. That's the
 one to toss, but your choices work, too, given the question:

 http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1406211

   
Well another site says unequivocally (but perhaps unjustifiedly) eat the 
gamma, pocket the beta and ditch the alpha - hence the other mail I just 
sent (I looked it up after my original answer)


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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-21 Thread Richard Kaye
You should eat the gamma if you want to become the Incredible Hulk... vbg

Paul Newton wrote:
 Well another site says unequivocally (but perhaps unjustifiedly) eat the 
 gamma, pocket the beta and ditch the alpha - hence the other mail I just 
 sent (I looked it up after my original answer

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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-21 Thread Paul Newton
Richard Kaye wrote:
 You should eat the gamma if you want to become the Incredible Hulk... vbg

 Paul Newton wrote:
   
 Well another site says unequivocally (but perhaps unjustifiedly) eat the 
 gamma, pocket the beta and ditch the alpha - hence the other mail I just 
 sent (I looked it up after my original answer
 

   
Anyway the question is not really fair in that it does not give any 
information about the relative activities of the emitters, the 
quantities present and their chemical identities (maybe all three 
emitters could have been isotpes of arsenic !).  Leave any of them long 
enough and they would all be safe to eat !


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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-21 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
 If you were given an alpha-emitting cookie, a beta-emitting cookie and
 a gamma-emitting cookie and told you had to eat one, put one in your
 pocket, and throw one away, would you know the right answer? (Without
 googling?)

I was _required_ to throw one away.

I couldn't surreptitiously keep it and munch on it late at night when 
everyone else was asleep?

Seems a damn freakin' shame to waste a cookie. There are lots of 
computer programmers in India? China? Bulgaria? who would just LOVE to 
have _part_ of a cookie, you know.

Whil




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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-20 Thread Ted Roche
On 5/19/07, MB Software Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Your thoughts on UMPC's future?

A while ago, I dug up a presentation from the Boston Computer Society
on Pen Computing - pre-Newton days - and it said the same things [1].
Dead on arrival. BillG is just hawking whatever they are selling this
month. The only prediction he ever got right was a computer on every
desktop.

Phones should become ubiquitous and tiny - iPod sized. A bluetooth
earbud and a body you stash somewhere. A PIM application can rock on a
Palm sized device: calendar, notes, phone number lookup. If you want
to do more, you want 10x7 or better, Flash, YouTube and office
applications. Trying to beat the capabilities of a laptop is a fools
venture.

Would you use one to develop applications? That's a key question. It's
the sure sign of a dud that everyone thinks that _someone_else_ would
want to use one of them, but not them.


[1] http://users.erols.com/rwservices/pens/penhist.html - Fifteen years ago!
[2] http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~TabletPC~VFP - Four years ago

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Re: [NF] UMPC future prediction....what do you think?

2007-05-20 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
MB Software Solutions wrote:
 (Should be NF...sorry!)
 
 
 Interesting article:
 http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId=9019900

OK, I finally had to read this.

In 1984 (yes, honestly), I wrote an editorial for our local PC user 
group (this was hot on the heels of that new-fangled PC-AT that we all 
hacked by putting 14 or 16 MHz crystals in).

Three issues for mobile computing:

#1 Input: How do you get data into it. Right now, that means a QWERTY 
keyboard. I posited that eventually you'll be able to speak into it, 
doing away with the manual input. We're still a ways-away, but this is 
closer than #2

#2 Output: This is what the article talked about - screen size. What if 
you weren't limited to a physical screen? What if you had actual 
holograms that you could see, but could also keep private (but also make 
public if you wanted)? Or maybe what if you had a gadget that you wore 
like a pair of eyeglasses, sort of like the heads-up displays that 
pilots (and some cars) now sport? Suddenly the form factor becomes 
irrelevant.

#3 Bandwidth/storage: If you're instantly connected to the world, you 
don't have to carry your hard disk along with you. And you probably 
wouldn't want to carry the Entire Internet around with you. Watching a 
friend of mine zoom in on the roof of his house via googlemaps on his 
blackberry a week ago, well, this one is pretty much taken care of.

Someone is going to make a breakthrough in the screen size and suddenly 
the size of the device you're carrying around will be constrained simply 
by how you're going to type into it.

And you never know when that breakthrough will happen.

Whil


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