Re: post-release fun, episode 1

2008-04-02 Thread Ferran Jorba 
Hello Tibor et al,

guess you have also found this link, courtesy of a Google alert for 'cds
invenio':

http://www.ohloh.net/projects/invenio

Enjoy,

Ferran

Re: post-release fun, episode 1

2008-04-02 Thread Samuele Kaplun 
On Wednesday 02 April 2008 12:36:10 Ferran Jorba wrote:
 Hello Tibor et al,

 guess you have also found this link, courtesy of a Google alert for 'cds
 invenio':

 http://www.ohloh.net/projects/invenio

 Enjoy,

 Ferran

Hi Ferran,
was me who have added Invenio to Ohloh for experimenting (since we're an 
OpenSource project) :-) But Tibor's statistics are definitively more accurate 
and geared to the real structure of the project (e.g. division in modules, 
testsuite). But it Ohloh has good features in order to discover implicit 
links between CDS Invenio and the surrounding software environment...
Bye!
Samuele

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Re: post-release fun, episode 1

2008-04-02 Thread Ferran Jorba 
Hi Samuele,

 was me who have added Invenio to Ohloh for experimenting (since we're an 
 OpenSource project) :-) 

Good, then

 But it Ohloh has good features in order to discover
 implicit links between CDS Invenio and the surrounding software
 environment...  Bye!  Samuele

Or comparing it with others:

http://www.ohloh.net/projects/compare?metric=Codebaseproject_0=EPrintsproject_1=CDS+Invenioproject_2=DSpace
http://www.ohloh.net/projects/compare?metric=Activityproject_0=EPrintsproject_1=CDS+Invenioproject_2=DSpace
http://www.ohloh.net/projects/compare?metric=Contributorsproject_0=EPrintsproject_1=CDS+Invenioproject_2=DSpace

So far about Java verbosity...  Thanks, Guido :-) !

Ferran

Re: post-release fun, episode 1

2008-04-02 Thread Ferran Jorba 
Hello Tibor,

[...]
 P.S. I do agree with your Java remark; my favourite example is
  anonymous functions:

Myself, with some white hairs in my beard, Java verbosity reminds me
this so much:


 001000$control optimize
 001100 identification division.
 001200 program-id.
 001300   staglist.
 001400 author.
 001500   Ferran Jorba.
 001600 installation.
 001700   UAB.
 001800 date-written.
 001900   January 1991.
 002000   Rewritten and translated into English, August, 1992.
 002100   Change default-tags, 31 Jan 1994
 002200 remarks.
 002300   This program takes the output of MARC records
 002400   from MARCPRT or HOLDPRT and reformats the output
 002500   to one physical record per field or tag, for wide-
 002600   paper printer (132 chars).
 002700   The output record consists on the control number
 002800   (BIB-ID, AUTH-ID or HOLDINGS-ID), level information,
 002900   tag number, indicators and the textual data.
 003000   It also allows the selection of a the set of tags
 003100   to be printed.
 003200
 003300
 003400 environment division.
 003500
 003600 configuration section.
 003700
 003800 source-computer.
 003900   HP-3000.
 004000 object-computer.
 004100   HP-3000 sequence is hpascii.
 004200
 004300 special-names.
 004400 hpascii is standard-1.


etc..., before the meat begins.  For me, Java is the new Cobol, necktie
included ;-(

Ferran

Re: post-release fun, episode 1

2008-04-02 Thread Tibor Simko 
Hi gang:

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008, Samuele Kaplun wrote:

 http://www.ohloh.net/projects/invenio

 was me who have added Invenio to Ohloh for experimenting (since
 we're an OpenSource project) :-) But Tibor's statistics are
 definitively more accurate and geared to the real structure of the
 project (e.g. division in modules, testsuite).

Ohloh-like stats are nice (e.g. I've been using StatCVS privately),
but they have some inconvenience such as not being able to distinguish
between generated files (e.g. big RDF) stored in CVS, or give hints as
to various modules and test suites as Sam said.

So while we can have some overall fun with Ohloh (and you guys can
even rate our project there ;-) as well as on Freshmeat
http://freshmeat.net/projects/invenio/), please stay tuned for
further episodes of the post-release fun series with more
inside-look numbers...  I just hope to get around to writing them
one of the evenings finally...

Best regards
-- 
Tibor Simko ** CERN Document Server ** http://cds.cern.ch/

Re: post-release fun, episode 1

2008-04-02 Thread Tibor Simko 
Hi Ferran:

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008, Ferran Jorba wrote:

 http://www.ohloh.net/projects/compare?metric=Codebaseproject_0=EPrintsproject_1=CDS+Invenioproject_2=DSpace

 So far about Java verbosity...  Thanks, Guido :-) !

Dunno how codebase is calculated WRT renaming and branching and
whatnot throughout the CVS history, but the DSpace 1.5.0 release has
much less code than that:

  $ find dspace-1.5.0-src-release -name *.java -exec cat {} \; | wc -l
  189872

  $ find dspace-1.5.0-src-release -name *.jsp -exec cat {} \; | wc -l
  24159

when compared to:

  $ find cds-invenio-0.99.0 -name *.py -exec cat {} \; | wc -l
  149323

to list just the main languages.

And I can easily produce opposite trend numbers if need be:

  $ find dspace-1.5.0-src-release -type f -exec cat {} \; | wc -l
  282665

  $ find cds-invenio-0.99.0 -type f -exec cat {} \; | wc -l
  647401

thanks to the PO files, RDF files and friends, e.g. this single one:

  $ wc -l cds-invenio-0.99.0/modules/bibclassify/etc/HEP.rdf
  119383 cds-invenio-0.99.0/modules/bibclassify/etc/HEP.rdf

Only to show that all these tools are to be taken with a big grain of
salt. ;-)

P.S. I do agree with your Java remark; my favourite example is
 anonymous functions:

 - Python:
   lambda x: k*x

 - Java:
   new Callable() {
   public Object call(Object x) {
   return x.times(k)
   }
   }

Best regards
-- 
Tibor Simko ** CERN Document Server ** http://cds.cern.ch/