[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
 + Caolan, Michael W, Michael M, Michael S, Kendy, Miklos, Eike, Heiko,
   Thorsten, Christian, Kaishu, Gabriel

* Completed Action Items:
+ send out list of papers to conference committee (Sophie)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/HowTo/MigrateFromHSQLDB
   [ wiki page now has some content – thanks to all involved ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ add an alias configure switch & rename KDE backend (Jan-Marek)
   [ another patch depends on this one, needs tweaking (Michael W)]
+ upgrade Android reqs to NDK19 (Kendy)
   [ patch needs pushing ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.6 rc1, next week
+ 6.3.0 rc2
  + branching-off for libreoffice-6-3-0 – due this week
  + planning to tag later today.
  + UI freeze, 1 review needed on libreoffice-6-3 from now on
  + can I push some UI patches
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/75637/
  + link is highlighted in error (Heiko)
 + focusing something different no issue (Christian)
  + string change / polish (Heiko)
 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/75632/
 + abandoned it, not too important.
 + good to talk to /ask the translations/l10n (Michael)
   + if they’re happy, push it (Christian)
  + would like in today for rc2
  + there will be a 3rd rc3 as planned.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation
+ Olivier was missed.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
241(241) (topicUI) bugs open, 219(219) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(-3)19(-10)38(-4)  82(-4) 
 commented 52(1)180(-25)   427(6) 1439(-2) 
   removed  2(2)  2(2)   2(0)   20(2)  
  resolved  0(-2) 5(-3) 24(-3) 130(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Heiko Tietze made 64 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 49 changes in 1 month, and 243 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 35 changes in 1 month, and 273 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 30 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 27 changes in 1 month, and 130 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 25 changes in 1 month, and 230 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 17 changes in 1 month, and 200 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 248 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 13 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  New needsUXEval between Jul/11-18

-> * Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus 
WordPro) 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173  
 + MUFFINi-ze 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-July/083144.html 
   * Context menu "open file location" from StartCenter thumbnail views 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126404  
   * Writer styles: Addressee and Sender group in subgroup Envelope 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126258  
   * Move Add/Edit/Delete buttons to right side in AutoRedact dialog 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126431  
   * Rework Add/Edit AutoRedaction subdialogs 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126432  
   * Add a confirmation for deleting of target in AutoRedaction dialog 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126433  
   * select shapes with the same style 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126451 
   => in discussion  
   
   * Sidebar Styles get style Icon support 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126450  
   * Ctrl-clicking hyperlink does not work in cell/text edit modes 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121039  
   => new 
   
   * Add opportunity for deleting of not existing file to "file does not
 exist" dialog in the Start Center 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126423  
   * Revise layout of HTML color palette swatches 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126403 
   => dup, wfm 
   
-> * LibreOffice components should be single apps on macOS 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97946  
 + only a single icon, you don’t get single module icons
 + request to split the install into single modules.
 + only a matter of adding launchers (Christian)
 + provide a template and pull it into your dock easily
 + D&D installer gets you 1 application
 + p

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Xisco, Olivier, Jan-Marek, Heiko, Christian, Michael W,
  Michael M, Michael S, Sophie, Gabriel

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.6 rc1, in 2 weeks
+ 6.3.0 rc2 – due soon ...
  + and branching-off there for libreoffice-6-3-0
  + UI freeze, 1 review needed on libreoffice-6-3 from now on
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (No news)
+ Helpcontent2
   + New page for REDACTION (ohallot)
+ Google Seasons of Doc 2019
   + 27 proposals submitted
   + Triaging them with Sophie
   + deadline is July 23rd
+ Calc Guides
   + Working

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ just back from vacation, lots of work to catch up with.
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
237(237) (topicUI) bugs open, 224(224) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(5) 29(7) 42(10)  86(11) 
 commented 51(17)   205(45)   421(40)1441(47) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  2(0)   18(0)  
  resolved  2(1)  8(0) 27(1)  133(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Foote, V Stuart made 62 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 55 changes in 1 month, and 150 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 53 changes in 1 month, and 293 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 40 changes in 1 month, and 248 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 37 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 37 changes in 1 month, and 88 changes in 1 year
  Heiko Tietze made 34 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 15 changes in 1 month, and 477 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 11 changes in 1 month, and 196 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Jun/27-Jul/11








  Tooltip for new drop-down widget in Formula bar in Calc should be another

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126315
 
  Exhibition of Headings sub levels are allowed

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126325
 
  Tab colors in Calc should show the line version when inactive and full
  version when active to be more intuitive

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125729
 
  PDF shows only two pages of a document with three pages (one page is
  hidden in the odf document)

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126284
 
  Writer styles: Heading subgroup for TOC related stuff

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126257
 
  Writer Character Styles are not intuitive to read

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126277
 
  Double-clicking fill handle should also overwrite down the entire range
  (until empty cells)

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66890
 
  Enhance autofill to better sense data blocks with empty cells or columns

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126189
 
  Show in Styles sidebar only use specific styles

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126278
 
  In "Tools - Address Book Source" the Button "Address Data Source…"
  should be renamed

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126232
 
  User customization of the styles displayed in Toolbar Paragraph 
  styles combobox droplist

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126196
 
  User customization of the styles displayed in the Sidebar 'Styles' deck

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126204
 
  Copy plus paste special with shift cells updates formulas after cells 
  are shifted

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44383
 
  Handling protected space (U+00a0) at word bounds

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125887
 
  Command and labels for Select to Start of Word, select to End of Word
  need correction

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126166
 
  Maximum header height and maximum footnote height conflict

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126011
 
  => unconfirmed/new








  Writer Character Styles: remove Rubies character style

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126276
 
  => invalid




* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ missing Caolan.
+ 6(+0) import failure, 0(+0) export failures
+ ??? coverity issues
+ Google / ossfuzz: ?? fuzzers active now
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ (-74) 1026 1100 1034

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Kendy, Oliver, Christian, Stephan, Michael S, Michael W
  Michael M, Caolan, Gabriel, Eike, Xisco, Thorsten, Heiko

* Completed Action Items:
+ send Arkadij a welcome mail (Stephan)

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc2
  + tagged yesterday
  + 2 patches in gerrit that didn’t make it
  + builds on the pre-release server → mirror network later today
+ 6.2.6 rc1 – due end of July
+ 6.3.0 rc1 – next week
  + hard string & UI freeze.
  + from rc1 – 1x review required for fixes libreoffice-6-3
  + for now no review, just fixes.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (no news)
   + seems to work correctly.
+ Helpcontent2
   + Housekeeping, de-dup bookmarks (G. Kelemen)
   + Bug fixes and updates (olivier, LibreOfficiant)
+ Google Seasons of Doc
   + Deadline for Tech writer submission is tomorrow (28)
+ Guides 
   + Update Calc Guide
  + more chapters updated
  + Need support on Solver engines (mail to list) (Steve Fanning)
  + would love help from a calc developer.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
236(236) (topicUI) bugs open, 217(217) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-5) 27(3) 38(4)   81(3)  
 commented 54(-31)   200(36)   441(20)1410(33) 
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  3(0)   18(0)  
  resolved  1(-3)  9(-1)31(-4) 135(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 60 changes in 1 month, and 246 changes in 1 year
  Heiko Tietze made 47 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 42 changes in 1 month, and 522 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 35 changes in 1 month, and 131 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 35 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 22 changes in 1 month, and 117 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 21 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 19 changes in 1 month, and 87 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 19 changes in 1 month, and 53 changes in 1 year
 + New needsUXEval between Jun/21-27

   * TABLE AUTOFORMAT: Rename dialog to table styles
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126050 
   * FORMATTING
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126047 
   => WFM

   * CHAPTER NUMBERING DIALOG: Give option to seperate different chapter
 levels with a dash
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125993 
   * [Website] Download page should support non-English users better
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125961 
   * Implement the Sidebar in Math formula editor, with decks for format
 options and Greek and special symbols
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125931 
   * Enhancement: Tables, Pagebreak: "keep with next row" feature
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125972 
   => UNCONFIRMED/in discussion

-> * Show short tooltip before the extended tooltip
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999 
   * Increasing margin size does not reflect new constraints for header
 values without closing and reopening the Page Style dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126009 
   => NEW

-> * Icon styles should not modify official application icons in start
 center (and other relevant places)
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126074 
   + should we have a strong branding of app-icons ?
   + different views, easy-recognized branded icons or … customizable.
 + no technical basis here (Michael)
   => interesting

+ blog-post published yesterday about easy-hacking:
   + examples on how to create a new dialog:
   + 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2019/06/26/how-to-create-a-new-dialog/
   + really useful – good work (Michael)


* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Crash testing:
  + 8(-1) import failure, 3(-186) export failures
  + stable, Michael S fixed an assert in here
  + 2 are crashers in pivot table export
  + writer are exceptions / problems in non-idle layout case
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 11 failures, 1 OOM, 10 TimeOut.
+ waiting for coverity
  + builds, but submission still not available.
+ 2x security reports
  + have pushed dates out to 16th July to avoid vacations
+ fuzzit https://fuzzit.dev/ available
  + offering 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Gabriel, Christian, Stephan, Miklos, Drew, Thorsten, Caolan, Heiko
  Thorsten, Kendy, Michael S, Michael M, Xisco, Eike, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc1
  + on the way to the mirrors
+ 6.2.5 rc2
  + tagging next week.
+ 6.3.0 beta2
  + tagging later this evening.
  + no reviews required for fixes still on libreoffice-6-3
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
   + no negative feedback → can drop this item.
 + Zip parallelism (Miklos)
   + last complaints were resolved last week → can drop this.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
 + 6.3.0 beta2 up-loaded.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (nothing to report)
   + Bug https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125956
  “LibreOffice-6.x Off-Line Help Should NOT Require XDG”
+ Helpcontent2 
+ page maintenance )
+ update in new features (ohallo)
+ GS of Doc
+ Candidates are filling their Tech Writer forms
+ Guides
  + Activities in Calc guides
  + Math Guide revision by Kompilainen

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
236(236) (topicUI) bugs open, 213(213) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(-2)24(7) 34(3)   78(0)  
 commented 85(35)   164(52)   421(-4)1377(4)  
   removed  0(0)  0(-2) 3(-5)  18(-6) 
  resolved  4(2) 10(1) 35(1)  135(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 63 changes in 1 month, and 541 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 59 changes in 1 month, and 245 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 44 changes in 1 month, and 227 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 31 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 23 changes in 1 month, and 252 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 21 changes in 1 month, and 110 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 15 changes in 1 month, and 83 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 10 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Wagner, Thorsten made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
+ New tickets with needsUXEval since Jun/13

   + Implement the Sidebar in Math formula editor, with decks for format
 options and Greek and special symbols
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125931
   + Correct/improve tooltips for tools on Drawing toolbar in Draw
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125939
   + Opening Quoted Quotes Not Properly Rendered
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125946
   + [Website] Download page should support non-English users better
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125961
   + Enhancement: Tables, Pagebreak: "keep with next row" feature
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125972
   + Add button name to extended tooltips
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999
   => unconfirmed / in discussion 
  ->   + Enhancement request: Backport 6.3 FILESAVE dialog to 6.2
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125908
 + only available in expert config
 + not clear what we do, discussion is ~ongoing
   => not a bug (nab)
   + In Impress - Bullets and Numberings submenu not displayed when right
 clicking on a bullet
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125904
   => fixed
   + Print/Export should close cells first
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125932
   => new

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Crash testing:
  + 7(-2) import failure, 5(-184) export failures
  + was a big export failure problem, now resolved, down to small numbers
  + an issue with threaded rendering from Armin
 + may need to re-disable it again.
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 8 failures, none critical.
+ waiting for coverity
  + new version is now available
- c++2a not supported
- c++17 supported
  + builds under c++17, analysis site down, so builds, but not analyzed
  + can’t up-load the results to the site yet
  + looking forward to submitting the build, seems faster to build too
+ 2x security reports
  + minor one, Stephan looking at some extensions here
  + and a more serious one.
 + pushing dates out to 16th July to avoid vacations.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ (+123) 1236 1113 12

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Drew, Olivier, Miklos, Sophie, Mike K, Xisco, Michael S, Michael W,
  Michael M, Stephan, Heiko, Caolan, Gabriel, Christian, Miklos,
  Kendy, Luke

* Completed Action Items:
+ make Qt5 backend experimental (Jmux)
   [ not possible to check ‘experimental’ at this place (Michael W) ]
+ commit access
   + communication issue wrt. help (Sophie)
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
   [ run it, didn’t send results out yet but will ~now ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc1 week 24 (June 10-16)
  + next week.
+ 6.3.0 beta2 – 2 weeks out
  + no reviews required for fixes still on libreoffice-6-3
+ 6.3.0 beta1 / libreoffice-6-3 branch / feature freeze:
  + so far no reviews required on each side, but no features either:
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
+ now included.
+ so far no reports about something not working
  but still to early to draw conclusions.
+ If you notice any reports, please ping cloph directly
  on irc/telegram/...
 + Zip parallelism (Lubos)
+ see tdf#113042
- 
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/a42291d0abd14c6c763962a5ae60b02a8552f641/backtraces/task947-core.20261.backtrace.txt
 related ?
   + Lubos working on the bugs …
   + crash traces now showing file-names (Caolan)
   + problem with streams with bad CRCs
   + used to not care during loading, but saving shows the issue
   + discussed on the dev list – awaiting conclusion
+ pulled out files that cause issues for Lubos (Caolan)
   + these files were artificially generated Forcepoint files
   + doesn’t matter which way we go – ignoring them is fine.
 + Online / Sidebar merge – core + online (Ash)
+ extraordinarily busy ~50+ patches
   + and some problems here, breaking things in gerrit
   + another week until it gets there in core, lets see
   + perhaps punt it.
 + HSQLDB vs. Firebird ? (Caolan)
+ last release punted out decision on removing HSQLDB
+ should we do that / who makes that decision ?
+ would like to see it go but – do we think it will work ?
+ not a good idea to remove HSQLDB in 6.3 (Drew)
   + migration assistant is not capable of moving the
 majority of files it can run across.
   + E-mail on dev. list about this.
   + recommend leave firebird active as in 6.2
   + recommend expose migration assistant as it is today
  + but reasonable set of data-types doesn’t work for
   + needs to be fixed & improving SDBC driver to have parity
 with HSQL – spend time to 6.4 to focus activities to
 encourage migration.
   + prefer to drop this for 6.4 ...
+ what is the state ? (Caolan)
   + firebird is the default in 6.2 (Drew)
   + in 6.3 we get the migration assistant out of the box.
   + suggest on the dialog box saying “want to migrate ?” (Drew)
   + link to a wiki page with a tutorial to help there.
   + tie it into some blog posts – to get some urgency here (Drew)
AI:+ add link to the dialog (Caolan)
+ do we have a migration tracking bug ? (Caolan)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116968
 + Bullets/Numbering dialog (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120905
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125642
+ work ongoing by Gulsah, Mike K., Caolan, Miklos, Andras
  scaling issues here (?) Mike K and Caolan poked it.
   + not totally happy on the workflow, but big improvement.
   + Gulsah plans to still work on it but on vacation (Miklos)
  + lets re-visit next week.
  + good for QA to look (Heiko)
 + makes most senese when known issues are fixed (Miklos)
+ UI only, not frozen yet, not really a late feature
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
 + branched b1 release coming soon.

* Safari issue with sandboxing (Christian)
+ as a sandboxed app Safari can’t access files in LibreOffice distro
+ user can’t click links and load our built-in help anymore.
+ affects existing LibreOffice released versions
+ should we ship a built-in webkit widget (?)
   + horrible that the web is not this cross-platform thing (Michael)
   + use the browser of the system, build our own help viewer again (Cloph)
+ can sandbox’d safari access localhost ports ? (Michael Stahl)
   + could have 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Gabriel, Michael W, Xisco, Miklos, Olivier, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
+ make Qt5 backend experimental (Jmux)
+ commit access
   + GSOC mentors ask students (all)
   + communication issue wrt. Help (Sophie)

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ 6.2.5 rc1 week 24 (June 10-16) - 2 weeks out.
+ 6.3.0 beta1 / libreoffice-6-3 branch / feature freeze:
  + will create branch later this week.
  + so far no reviews required on each side, but no features either:
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
+ basic framework is running, but missing gathering
of entitlements for features eg. integrate with AppleScript
 + Zip parallelism (Lubos)
+ should give a nice win for big ODS file saving
+ see tdf#113042
- 
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/a42291d0abd14c6c763962a5ae60b02a8552f641/backtraces/task947-core.20261.backtrace.txt
 related ?
+ working on the bugs ...
 + Online / Sidebar merge – core + online (Ash)
+ extraordinarily busy - would but like to get it in.
 + HSQLDB vs. Firebird ? (Caolan)
+ do we re-visit this for 6.3 ? what is the state ?
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Fixes for MacOS (cloph)
+ Helpcontent2
+ Fills, fixes and refactors (ohallot, libreofficiant, G. Kelemen)
+ Google seasons of Doc
+ Proposal submission phase, until end of june
+ Supporting candidates in their proposal
+ reviewing their work plan.
+ Guides
+ Calc guide on going

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 202(202) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  4(0) 11(-8) 27(-10) 73(-11)
 commented 31(-4)   145(-84)   457(-89)   1388(-76)
   removed  0(-3) 3(-2) 14(-2)  26(0)  
  resolved  3(0) 12(2)  39(-3) 134(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 101 changes in 1 month, and 611 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 27 changes in 1 month, and 122 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 24 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 24 changes in 1 month, and 205 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 22 changes in 1 month, and 223 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 12 changes in 1 month, and 196 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 12 changes in 1 month, and 198 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 9 changes in 1 month, and 122 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 8 changes in 1 month, and 68 changes in 1 year
  Adalbert Hanßen made 6 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Crash testing:
  + 41(+25) import failure, 5(+1) export failures
  + increased dramatically - mst did some work to take out
another patch - and put in some more asserts.
   + is it an overly assertive assert ?
  + most are calc crashers.
  + some in the zip area - assuming they are threading related.
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 7 failures, none critical.
  + special env. var to make our fuzzers live needed
  + special pre-test now, but left out the env.var
  + pre-check was blocking us.
  + all fixed now and re-start
+ waiting for coverity
  + until new version that supports c++17(?)

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 1460 (-297)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.6.3
+ 293 (+16)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 1295 (-237)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.3.2
+ 2428 (-444)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.4.2
+ 929 (+810)
  + numbers looking good.

* Hackfests & Events (Sophie)
   + this year hackfests coming up:
+ Paris in Summer (Sophie)
  + first week of July Fri/Sat 5th / 6th
+ near Gare de Nord, La Mouette working on communication
  + designing a flier – avoids stomping on exams at end of June
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Paris2019 
  + hope to have a Hackfest NG setup again – mentees, please speak up!
  + people are adding themselves to the wiki already.
+ tentative Dresden: late autumn (past mid-October, for having students)
  + Brussels Hackathon (Thorsten)
  + pending October hackfest – needs confirmation
  + conflicts with Dresden – need a decision in May or so; pending …
  => pla

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Heiko, Caolan, Eike, Stephan, Olivier, Xisco, Michael S,
  Armin, Michael W, Cloph, Miklos, Thorsten, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
+ make Qt5 backend experimental (Jmux)
+ commit access
   + GSOC mentors ask students (all)
   + communication issue wrt. Help (Sophie)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.4 rc2 status 
  released as final this week.
+ 6.2.5 rc1 week 24 (June 10-16)
+ 6.3 alpha1: status
  + feature freeze: next week.
+ 6.3.0 beta1 / libreoffice-6-3 branch / feature freeze: next week
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
+ basic framework is running, but missing gathering
of entitlements for features eg. integrate with AppleScript
 + Zip parallelism (Lubos)
+ should give a nice win for big ODS file saving
+ see tdf#113042
 + Online / Sidebar merge – core + online (Ash)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ enhancements for A11y (buovjaga)
+ Helpcontents2
+ page house keeping (ohallot, LibreOfficiant)
+ Google seasons of Doc
+ Applicants to supply a work plan 
+ ~20 contacts, 3 responses.
+ hopefully more by end of the month
+ Guides
+ Calc Guide under work by doc team.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 213(213) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(3) 19(-2)37(0)   83(1)  
 commented 61(-7)   241(10)   569(24)1463(35) 
   removed  3(2)  5(2) 16(1)   26(1)  
  resolved  5(4) 11(1) 44(0)  134(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 105 changes in 1 month, and 617 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 53 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 48 changes in 1 month, and 223 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 42 changes in 1 month, and 135 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 33 changes in 1 month, and 210 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 27 changes in 1 month, and 234 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 25 changes in 1 month, and 270 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 13 changes in 1 month, and 128 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 8 changes in 1 month, and 68 changes in 1 year

+ New needsUXEval between May/16-23

  * For (mail manage wizard) in (Tools) and in the step (Select Address
List) in case where the choice board is empty  and  are activated
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125330 
  * Add a link to FAQ to "JRE missing" message box
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125379 
  * Writer – Aspect Ratio Incorrect When Making Image Fit Paragraph Width
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124888 
  * LibreOffice Theme dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125448 
  => in discussion, unconfirmed, needinfo

  * Tip of the Day dialog has different default controls for tips with and
without links, making different behaviour for simply pressing Enter
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125379 
  * The tabs of the layer tabbar are much too wide in Draw without the
protect icon
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125403 
  * Implement different border colors depending on the LibreOffice app
launched on Windows
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125443 
  * Add Ctr+D and Ctrl+B to populate content from adjacent cells
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125417 
  * Bad layout in "Save As" dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125453 
  * Elements pane: Items not reachable without mouse
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65587 
  => new

->* The updater has never worked for me (on Linux) and manual
updating is extremely cumbersome
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125451
+ assume this is never seen in distro builds (Michael)
+ always only had the check-for-updates (Christian)
   + are they talking about this feature ?
   + or the un-released experimental incremental update from Markus
   + that’s not on Linux (Heiko)
+ works on Linux – only for daily builds (Xisco)
+ won’t get rid of update is available thing (Christian)
   + can improve the UI of course but … it stays.
  => needsdevadvice

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Xisco, Kendy, Caolan, Michael S, Gabriel, Eike, Drew,
  Stephan, Cloph, Sophie, Miklos, Armin, Michael M, Olivier, Thorsten,
  Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
+ commit access
   + GSOC mentors ask students (all)
   + communication issue wrt. Help (Sophie)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.3 alpha1: tagged, builds uploaded, except Win32 (had to redo the build)
  + feature freeze: week after the next week
  + please announce late features next week, if there will be any
+ 6.2.4 rc2 – tag planned for today
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (No news)
+ Helpontent2 
 + XML Fixes, typos (fitoshido, A Gelmini, ohallot)
 + fix contents (bubli)
 + review of l10n issues (A. Timar)
+ Goggle Seasons of Doc
 + 16 Tech Writer candidates, 
 + mostly students
 + Evaluating their tech Writer skills.
+ Guides
 + On going Calc update

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 211(211) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  2(-4)21(-2)37(1)   82(1)  
 commented 68(13)   231(14)   545(30)1428(21) 
   removed  1(1)  3(-2)15(1)   25(1)  
  resolved  1(-3)10(-1)44(-2) 131(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 104 changes in 1 month, and 600 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 48 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 205 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 42 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 30 changes in 1 month, and 198 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 30 changes in 1 month, and 262 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 29 changes in 1 month, and 237 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 9 changes in 1 month, and 66 changes in 1 year

+ New needsUXEval between May/09-16

  * hyperlink choice should be remembered
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125246 
  * Wrong toolbar colors on Windows classic theme
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124851
  * duplicate assignment of accelerators on a single menu disrupts keyboard
use, eliminate duplicate accelerators
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125227 
  * Footer can not be made to appear only on the first page after it has
been filled with content
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125280 
  => DUP, WF, NAB

  * change default grid size to 25x25 mm = 1x1 zoll
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125275 
  * UX: The Find bar should search in “Current selection only” if a cell
range is selected
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125282 
  => in discussion

  * horizontal separator between notebookbar and main view
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124667 
  => NEW

  ->  * Replace Mozilla themes with a proprietary tool reusing the existing
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125217 
  * Rename tabbed layout to notebookbar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125009 
  * Provide an option to hide the animation effect
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124477 
  * Insert image not in a new paragraph but in the current position or as
character
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45778 
  * Missing color name(s) in Conditional formatting dialog, hard coded color
values not present on standard.soc
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125289 
  * wrong Bar color name in the Data bar dialog (#FF instead of Blue)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125288 
  * Replace hard-coded chevron by themable icon
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125296 
  => easyhack

  ->  * Option to turn off autocomplete text in quick find
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124774 
  => needsDevAdvice

+ patch to show a What’s New infobar pointing to the releasenotes
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/72218/ (review pending)

  => please carefully update the release notes

 + what version do we include in there ? (Christian)
 + majors so 6.1 or 6.2
 + why not just chat to Christian (Michael)
 + keep it as it is ? (Heiko)
 + use what exist

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Miklos, Sophie, Olivier, Stephan, Christian, Michael S, Michael W,
  Michael M, Xisco, Gabriel, Caolan, Eike, Heiko, Kendy, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ send out GSOC welcome mails on Monday & next steps (org admins)
+ poke NISZ to see who would want to attend (Michael)
+ enable gtk3_kde5 for x86_64 distro config (Christian)
[ enabled it for the 6.2.4 rc1 builds
  was missing a sanity check – now fixed in both branches ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.6 rc3
   + released on Tuesday
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – status
   + rc1 on mirrors.
   + rc2 – tagged next week
+ 6.3 alpha1: due this week – perhaps evening
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
   + 6.1.6 source released.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (no news)
+ Helpcontent2 (no news)
+ Google Seasons of Doc
   + Contacting possible mentors
   + TDF will have only 1 project
  + at best 2 projects but 2nd not garanteed
   + Need to select the 1st project
  + LOOL Guide ?
  + Calc Guide ?
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2019
  
+ Guides (non GSDOC)
   + New community members joining for Calc revision

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 212(212) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-5) 23(2) 36(1)   81(1)  
 commented 55(-20)   217(1)515(26)1407(10) 
   removed  0(-2)  5(-1)14(0)   24(0)  
  resolved  4(2)  11(0) 46(0)  130(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 106 changes in 1 month, and 590 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 65 changes in 1 month, and 224 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 52 changes in 1 month, and 214 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 35 changes in 1 month, and 195 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 33 changes in 1 month, and 237 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 31 changes in 1 month, and 260 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 126 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 10 changes in 1 month, and 36 changes in 1 
year

+ New needsUXEval between May/02-09

  * shift-click for absolute reference when entering formulas
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125118 
  * New print dialog: Page Format is always A4
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123076 
 ->   * Insert image not in a new paragraph but in the current position or 
as character
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45778 
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87720 
   + change the default from “to paragraph” to “as character”; 
 ask the community about preferences and introduce option in case of 
 a split
=> needinfo, in discussion
   + sounds like a good move (Miklos, Caolan)
   + match the similar default in Word.

  * Customizations made to Writer are not present in Master Document view
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67014 
  => WF

  * UI: Show 'Go to first/last page' in new print dialog
  ->+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125130 
  => easyHack, needsDevEval

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 7 (+0,-0) issues  
+ Crash testing:
  + 82(+72) import failure, 54(+44) export failures
  + big jump this week – single set of assets from starmath
 + backed out since lets see …
  + other crashers – some fixes in gerrit.
  + one writer crash – not reproducing even on test machine
outside of the run.
  + don’t expect to get back to zero for a couple of iterations.
+ CNA bits – got 1st batch of CVE numbers.
  + CVE-2019-9847 public – hyperlink bits
  + MITRE pushback on description, resubmitted
+ need to duplicate versions in the text.
+ ForcePoint #9 Completed
  + recontacted them, launched fuzzing again vs. master
+ waiting
  + coverity scan – until new version that supports c++17(?)

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 895 (+3)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 1294 (-30)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.6.3
+ 68 (-)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 1832 (-88)
  + http://crashreport.libreoff

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Sophie, Thorsten, Olivier, Christian, Michael W, Eduard A, Caolan,
Michael M, Michael S, Xisco, Heiko, Eike

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.6 rc2 – status
+ tagged, but bug found by fuzzing, so will be an rc3
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – this week starting April 29th
+ 6.3 alpha1: next week
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Added “copy-to-clip” for BASIC and Python code (ohallot)
 + fixes in Javascript (buovjaga)
+ HelpContent2
 + New pages for Calc functions (ohallot)
 + Add release info on Calc functions (ohallot, M Kaganski)
 + refactoring of some Help pages (buovjaga)
 + More pages on Python (libreofficiant, ohallot)
+ Google seasons of Doc
 + TDF accepted as mentor org – Yay!
 + Please forward your name for mentoring !
 + spike in interest too.
+ Books
 + New interested Authors/revisors

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 209(209) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(0) 21(1) 35(1)   80(2)  
 commented 75(4)216(-1)   489(-4)1397(7)  
   removed  2(2)  6(1) 14(1)   24(2)  
  resolved  2(-1)11(0) 46(-4) 131(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 93 changes in 1 month, and 577 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 64 changes in 1 month, and 191 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 62 changes in 1 month, and 216 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 48 changes in 1 month, and 211 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 30 changes in 1 month, and 251 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 16 changes in 1 month, and 218 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Rasmus Jonsson made 8 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year

* New needsUXEval between Apr/25-May/02

  + Feature request: A similar approach of Dark mode like in MS Office which
do not override any document color & picture.
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124969 
  + The descriptions of Safe Mode options are misleading
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120269 
   -> + Rename tabbed layout to notebookbar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125009 
   -> + Replace single toolbar with contextual single
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125040 

   -> + Cell Formatting for URL websites, or other URI schemes
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124994
   -> + Custom page size missing from print dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78916 
   -> + Insert > Data Labels opens wrong dialog for all data series 
(as opposed to individual data series)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124995 
  => needsDevAdvice

  + uno:Hyphenate toggle in calc, draw, impress but not in writer menubar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125032 
  => Easyhack

  + looking at recent files list we should see the path info
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125076
  + Default shape name should refer to kind of shape instead of just Shape
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124989 
  => DUP/NAB

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 7 (-5,-0) issues
  + found a new issue that was back-ported to 6.1 - can fix before it got 
out.
+ Crash testing:
  + 10(+4) import failure, 10(-12) export failures
  + new pivot-table issue, some bits from Noel's optimization
+ CNA bits – got 1st batch of CVE numbers.
  + CVE-2019-9847 assigned
+ ForcePoint #9 Completed
  + recontacted them, launched fuzzing again vs. master
+ waiting
  + coverity scan – until new version that supports c++17(?)

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 992 (+114)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 1264 (+161)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 1920 (-93)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.3.2
+ 1503 (+634)

  + No symbols for win 6.2.3.2 updated → https://paste.ee/p/wJqrW
+ talked with Moggi who was on vacation
+ checked - symbols for latest version were not updated.
+ could swear I didup-load (Christian)
+ if not there, symbols ar

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Olivier, Christian, Eike, Kendy, Thorsten, Heiko, Xisco, Caolan,
Michael S, Michael M, Michael W, Stephan

* Completed Action Items:
+ mentors to check through the list here (All)
+ https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/
+ drop ESC advice on alien formats into relevant bug ticket (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115291#c15 

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – next week starting April 29th
+ 6.1.6 rc2
   + tagged before the call – builds triggered
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May, week 19
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ fixes in build (sberg, himanjin1)
+ Fixes in search (buovjaga)
+ Helpcontent2
+ fixes (ohallot)
+ updates in function names (kompilainen)
+ Google Seasons of DOC
+ Awaiting April 30th for response
+ Guides:
+ Stalled. Will interact with GSoD

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 211(211) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(7) 20(10)34(9)   78(11) 
 commented 71(30)   217(34)   493(35)1390(66) 
   removed  0(-3) 5(-1)13(0)   22(-1) 
  resolved  3(1) 11(-4)50(-5) 132(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 89 changes in 1 month, and 568 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 70 changes in 1 month, and 188 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 63 changes in 1 month, and 208 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 36 changes in 1 month, and 201 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 33 changes in 1 month, and 149 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 33 changes in 1 month, and 254 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 24 changes in 1 month, and 223 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 20 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 15 changes in 1 month, and 113 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 10 changes in 1 month, and 67 changes in 1 year

   + New needsUXEval between Apr/18-25

  * Context toolbar make jumping ui
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 
  * Formatting: Formula result has different alignment than regular values
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124860 
  * close button on menubar didn't use the color of the menubar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124928 
  * Save icon breaks icon customization
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98193  
  => in discussion

  * Help->About LibreOffice dialog does not specify whether 32 or 64 bit 
is installed
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124936
+ proposal is to add 32bits when its not 64.
  * UI: the wording around tools - options - LibreOffice Calc - Formula -
Recalculation on File Load is questionable
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124784 
  => new/easyhack
+ currently option is Never
   + it is dangerous currently (Heiko)
 + might need an update.
 + can re-calculate alien formats
   + Is there a good reason to break calcs ? (Michael)
   + no way to detect if you need re-calculation (Eike)
 + would be there always for Alien formats.
   + sometimes we have to calculate this (Eike)
 + can have some other wording, but …
+ suggestion is two-fold (Heiko)
   + not having a blocking dialog
 → info-bar is not controversial (Michael)
   + ask the user or not.
 → asking the user is controversial (Michael, Eike)
+ problem can be with files stored in an older version (Eike)
   + these can need re-calculating from an old version.
   + if we add a bug & then save it – things break (Kendy)
   + perhaps safest always recalculate – but poor performance (Eike)
  + could depend on the version – before 6.2.3 
eg. but not a friend of that.
   + new, older + alien format options ? (Heiko)
  + not clear to the user why he should choose any of them (Eike)
   + should do something familiar (Michael)

  * Option to turn off autocomplete text in quick find
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124774 
  => wfm

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 12 (+2,-0) issues
  + fix in gerrit.
+ Crash testing:
  + 6(-2) import failure, 22(+18) export failures
- export failures are really uncove

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Eike, Miklos, Xisco, Michael S, Heiko, Gabriel, Christian, Michael W,
Michael M, Caolan, Stephan, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ mentors to check through the list here (All)
+ https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.3 – announced as final today.
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – week after next starts April 29th
+ 6.1.6 rc2
  + to be tagged next week – last one of 6.1.x
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May, week 19
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is now updated for Java SDK
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Fixes (sberg)
+ Help content2
   + New pages for Python (libreofficiant)
   + Housekeeping (ohallot)
   + reviewing some clunky patches in gerrit (ohallot)
+ Google Season of Doc
   + please add your ideas in the wiki (‘til 4/22/2019)
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2019
+ Guides
+ slow improvements on Calc guide update
+ “Tip of the day” as GSDoc ? (Heiko)
+ add some mentor to the page for that (Olivier)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 207(207) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added 11(6)  17(5)  32(4)   74(3)  
 commented 46(-20)   192(-19)   481(-1)1351(19) 
   removed  3(3)   6(0)  13(2)   23(2)  
  resolved  3(2)  16(-5) 56(-3) 131(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 67 changes in 1 month, and 539 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 65 changes in 1 month, and 179 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 47 changes in 1 month, and 259 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 36 changes in 1 month, and 147 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 36 changes in 1 month, and 181 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 22 changes in 1 month, and 187 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 20 changes in 1 month, and 220 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 15 changes in 1 month, and 67 changes in 1 year
  Rasmus Jonsson made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 9 changes in 1 month, and 105 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Apr/11-18

  * menubar show icon in an separte column next to text
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124789
  * UI: the wording around tools - options - LibreOffice Calc - Formula -
Recalculation on File Load is questionable
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124784 
  * Paste structured text without format but with styles
 -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124764 
  * Option required to show low resolution preview instead of full
resolution for smooth navigation of documents with high resolution
linked images
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117754 
  * Unable to use keyboard to activate the header/footer frame menu button
pop up menu from header/footer edit window
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124113 
  * PARAGRAPH BORDER: Modification border always adds a new border
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124748 
  => unconfirmed/in discussion

  * Update to version 6.2 broke personalisation (theme)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123911 
  => dup

  * Hyperlinks' fonts keep changing when saved/exported as PDF
  ->+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123777 
  => new/bug

 needsDevAdvice
  * List incompatible features when saving to alien formats in detail
  ->+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115291 
+ prototype for solution in c5; feasability unclear
+ trad. answer is – better to fix the interop problems (Michael)
+ 15 highlighting colors doens’t go to MSO (Heiko)
+ why do we have so many ? (Michael)
+ its lots of work scanning the doc to find problems (Michael)
+ two sides – better to spend energy supporting (Miklos)
+ on other side – the CSV filter “only current sheet”
+ some merit to this.
+ in the past did have some scanner code to detect
+ this was removed.
+ remember the filter collection / warning (Caolan)
+ back in the day – more effort to detect missing than impl. It
+ perhaps for big features works, but micro-level tricky.
+ PDF export has something like this too.
AI: + drop chunk into the bug & send to QA (Heiko)

* Crash Testing (Caol

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

From last Thursday - somehow I forgot to post; thanks to
buovjaga for the reminder:

* Present:
+ Olivier H, Christian, Xisco, Michael S, Kendy, Miklos, Sophie,
  Heiko, Caolan, Michael W, Stephan, Gabriel, Michael M, Eike

* Completed Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ have a script that creates number of consecutive failures,
needs to be hooked up to alerts ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.3 rc2 – status
   + tagged and built; being up-loaded to pre-releases then mirrors
+ 6.1.6 rc1 - status
   + tagging later today – final release for 6.1.x line
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is published up to 6.0.4 – rest later today (Christian)
+ Online:
   + 6.2.3 release up-loaded.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Reverted proposed patch for makefile (ohallot)
+ Helpcontent2
 + page for ‘–convert-to’ filters names (buovjaga, ohallot)
 + Pages for handling events in Python (libreofficiant)
 + Fixes in pages (ohallot)
+ GSoDOC
 + Compiling projects
+ Guides
 + On going Calc Guide

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 206(206) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(0) 12(-2)27(-4)  70(-8) 
 commented 78(31)   203(28)   482(-15)   1326(-58)
   removed  1(0)  6(0) 11(1)   21(1)  
  resolved  2(-2)21(0) 60(0)  130(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 75 changes in 1 month, and 539 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 60 changes in 1 month, and 171 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 33 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 30 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 28 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 26 changes in 1 month, and 233 changes in 1 year
  Jim Raykowski made 19 changes in 1 month, and 37 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 15 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 14 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 13 changes in 1 month, and 107 changes in 1 year

   New needsUXEval between Apr/04-Apr/11

   * why toggle function DrawText, HyperlinkDialog and Horizontal Line
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124673 
   * remove formular toolbar from writer -> view -> toolbars
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124642 
   * tabs in calc (for sheets) and draw (for layer) style
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124572 
   => in discussion

   * 7x
   => resolved dup, wfm, nab, wf

   * OPTION DIALOG: Add option to show page margins
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124510 
   * jumping ui in calc (pastespecial drop down menu with/without arrow)
  -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124561 
   => new

   * writer>menubar>Edit> .uno:ShadowCursor isn't related to select subgroup
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124665 
   * HideWhiteSpace should be positive Show Whitespace
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124686 
   * Menubar: Show icons for the most important items
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124649 
   * Add a spellout outline numbering style
  -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124608 
   * Easier use of CSV in Wizards->Address Data Source
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113753 
   * FORMATTING: paragraph alignment options position is unintuitive
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65473 
   * UX: Handling of empty textboxes
  -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107825 
   => accepted, easyhack

   * Fix accessibility warnings in .ui files
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119931 
   * Print dialog: margin and distance input are mixed up
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124567 
   => fixed, work in progress

   + always a good idea to test the defaults (Michael)
 + same used for file I/O & UI (Miklos)
+ test this with documents.

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 10 (+20,-21) issues
+ dynamic calc col change seems to cause these
  + back to where we started.
+ Crash testing:
  + 27(+21) import failure, 6(+5) export failures
 + jump her

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Caolan, Christian, Michael M, Gabriel, Eduard A, Miklos,
  Heiko, Kendy, Xisco, Sophie, Olivier, Michael S, Eike, Sophie,
  Thorsten, Olivier, Michael W

* Completed Action Items:
+ take a look at symbol / crashtest bits (Markus, Christian)
  [ server ran out of disk-space so couldn’t process them → now fixed ]
+ get Laurent Alonso commit access (Miklos)
+ talk to Tor / Nicolas if avoiding UNCONFIRMED for iOS makes sense (Miklos)
  [ seems like it is sorted ]
+ looking for mentor for idea “Calc Functions Sidebar” (Heiko)
  + 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-March/082315.html
  [ too late ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
  [ also expired ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
[ done manually for now – should be done next week ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ no release this week.
+ 6.2.3 rc1 available on mirrors
+ 6.2.3 rc2 – available next week.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 next week
   + tagging Thur after 6.2.3
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes → no updates
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is published up to 6.0.4 – rest later today (Christian)
+ Online:

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Replacement icons now in gbuild (ohallot, buovjaga)
   + have a donation button in the help too now.
+ Help contents 2
   + Housekeeping and maintenance (ohallot, libreofficiant, A.Gelmini)
+ Google season of Code / Docs
   + registered TDF as organization (ohallot)
   + working on projects (ohallot djredaux)
   + would love suggestions for simple projects so 
 we can find tech. writers
   + “Easy-doc”.
   + not for students but for technical writers.
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2019
+ Guides 
   + more updated on Calc Guide (J. Weber)  

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
243(243) (topicUI) bugs open, 225(225) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(0) 14(0) 31(1)   78(-1) 
 commented 47(-7)   175(9)497(55)1384(8)  
   removed  1(1)  6(1) 10(1)   20(0)  
  resolved  4(-4)21(-3)60(1)  133(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 70 changes in 1 month, and 567 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 39 changes in 1 month, and 157 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 32 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 31 changes in 1 month, and 144 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 29 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 25 changes in 1 month, and 80 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 10 changes in 1 month, and 108 changes in 1 year
  Jim Raykowski made 9 changes in 1 month, and 27 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
  Alexander Farrow made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
  New needsUXEval between Mar/28-Apr/04

* Sidebar Separator lines
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124376
* calc menubar: SheetCommentMenu should be in EditMenu instead of
  SheetMenu
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124523
* LO request to enhancement: make the '?' sign workable in Help -> About
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124541
=> in discussion

* Tabbed: Missing Some Required Functions from Previous Pop Up Toolbar
  in Tabbed interface
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122751
* FRAME-DIALOG: Add an apply button
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124278
   ->   * 'Pick a Color' dialog: Give option to add a color to the custom
  palette
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124418
   ->   * Change case -> Sentence case doesn't honor selection; case of entire
  sentence changes
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49033
* Redundant undo/redo items in grouped compact bar
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124392
=> accepted/forwarded

   ->   * Change bullet styles names in Style section of Sidebar in Writer
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124471
=> fixed today.

* toggeling settings - e.g. threaded calculations - need restart, UI
  unclear about this
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124323
* Unable to use keyboard navigation to 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Miklos, Michael M, Michael W, Heiko, Kendy, Christian,
  Olivier, Xisco

* Completed Action Items:
+ commit access for Grzegorz Araminowicz (Miklos)
+ next time we see write_tests5 fail - chop out that sub-test (Miklos)
  [ keeping an eye on it ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ talk to Tor / Nicolas if avoiding UNCONFIRMED for iOS makes sense (Miklos)
  [ number to zero – so perhaps solved ? ]
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ not applied yet, but monitoring jenkins build slaves due to
connectivity issues at Manitu ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ looking for mentor for idea “Calc Functions Sidebar” (Heiko)
  + 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-March/082315.html
  + mentors much appreciated.

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.3 rc1 → tagging this evening.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 week after next.
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes → no updates
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is being updated (Christian)
+ Online:

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Fixes support for IE11 (buovjaga, himajin10)
+ Added module name to Contents links (ohallot)
+ housekeeping (A. Gelmini)
+ Helpcontent2
+ No news
+ Guides
+ more chapters reviewed for Calc Guide
+ Ch 7 (ohallot)
+ Ch 2 (D. Barton)
+ Ch 6 (Jean Weber)
+ Need a new chapter for Calc Statistics
+ anyone interested?

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 226(226) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(1) 14(0) 30(3)   79(1)  
 commented 54(-3)   166(-9)   442(20)1376(-7) 
   removed  0(-1) 5(-1) 9(1)   20(0)  
  resolved  8(0) 24(5) 59(8)  132(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 73 changes in 1 month, and 558 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 36 changes in 1 month, and 254 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 26 changes in 1 month, and 145 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 25 changes in 1 month, and 133 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 23 changes in 1 month, and 206 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 20 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
  Jim Raykowski made 12 changes in 1 month, and 30 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 21 changes in 1 year
  Alexander Farrow made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year

+ New needsUXEval between Mar/20-28

   * Sidebar Separator lines
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124376
 => in discussion

   * Tabbed: Missing Some Required Functions from Previous Pop Up Toolbar 
 in Tabbed interface
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122751
   * FRAME-DIALOG: Add an apply button
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124278
 => accepted/forwarded

   * toggling settings - e.g. threaded calculations - need restart, 
 UI unclear about this
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124323
   * Unable to use keyboard navigation to access Brochure radio button 
 in Print dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124249
 => WFM, NAB

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 2(+0) import failure, 0(-2) export failures
  + suspect export failures are transient / intermittent.
+ coverity suspended – until it supports c++17
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 12 (+0) issues, 9 timeouts, 1 OOM
  + build got broken there, fixed now again
  + some deep stack issue.
+ ForcePoint, round 9
  + ?? a few minor issues lingering
+ CNA bits – got 1st batch of CVE numbers.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 837 (+46)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 875 634 (+241)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3
+ 1295 (+59)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.1.2
+ 1227 (+79)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 724 (-)
  + looks good for latest version, still have a symbol issue
  + not a generic issue with all reports (Christian)
+ just a display issue – all on the same category
+ all current versions should be handled correctly.
+ when searching for crash reports in libmerged: plenty have
  symbols resolved.
+ problem is 6.2.2.2 (Michael)
ht

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Olivier, Heiko, Michael M, Kendy, Michael W,
  Miklos, Christian, Eike, Xisco, Sophie,

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ not applied yet, but monitoring jenkins build slaves due to
connectivity issues at Manitu ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.2 rc2
   + this week – will tag today/tomorrow
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Mavern repo is not up-to-date, working on it.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Improvements in donation button for online Help (buovjaga)

+ Help Contents 2
   + Updates in pages, fixes (ohallot, S. Goyal, LibreOfficiant)

+ Guides
   + New volunteers arriving

+ Google Summer of Documentation
   + looking into how to participate  

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 236(236) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  4(2) 13(1) 27(-2)  85(-2) 
 commented 45(22)   155(28)   415(14)1407(-1) 
   removed  2(2)  5(2)  9(2)   19(2)  
  resolved  4(-2)16(0) 49(2)  128(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 103 changes in 1 month, and 602 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 42 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 36 changes in 1 month, and 153 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 26 changes in 1 month, and 202 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 17 changes in 1 month, and 299 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 15 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 12 changes in 1 month, and 119 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 9 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 9 changes in 1 month, and 87 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 7 changes in 1 month, and 155 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Mar/06-14
  * highlights to copy blocks will not go disappear after operation is done
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123799
  * Paste into a protected Calc sheet should not paste the cell 
Protected status
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123974
  * alt key should open and highlight menubar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124048
  * Maybe place focus on header/footer frame menu button when 
header/footer is empty
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124041
  => in discussion

  * Code insertion in LibreOffice Writer
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124070
  => WF

  * Allow user-defined ordering of user-defined document properties
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123918
  => NEW

+ New easyhacks
  * UI: lock toolbar by default
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92484
  * Allow user-defined ordering of user-defined document properties
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123918
   
* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1(-6) import failure, 1(-1) export failures
  + apparently all redlining issues are sorted out
  + close to the noise area again
+ coverity suspended
  - back but we now need c++17
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 12 (+1) issues, 9 timeouts, 1 OOM, 1 Build Failure
  + need to find time to look at these
  + some deep stack issue.
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ a few minor issues lingering
+ CNA process
+ positive progress.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 912 (-283)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 656 (-63)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3
+ 1498 (-1034)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.1.2
+ 1073 (-)
  + numbers looking good – but have a problem where we get dynamic libs
instead of crash signatures.
 + not informative: ‘libmergedlo.dll’ is all we get.
 + unclear what happens there.

* Hackfests & Events
   + this year hackfests coming up:
+ Tirana perhaps (Xisco)
  + April 25th/28th → overlaps Orthodox Easter
 => so will not be these days.
  + May 4th / 5th  → conflict with German meetings
  + https://forum.openlabs.cc/t/libreoffice-hackfest-tirana-2019/1658
  + poke Bjoern / Eike / Xisco to chase / decide…
 + date is still not clear

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Miklos, Michael M, Christian, Eike, Caolan, Heiko,
  Michael W, Sophie, Michael S, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.1 rc2 status
   + released as final yesterday
+ 6.2.2 rc1
   + pushed to mirror network the same day.
+ 6.2.2 rc2
   + next week – will tag towards end of the week.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Mavern repo is not up-to-date will fix this week.
+ Online
   + 6.2.1 source release out. 

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help
 + Some XSLT optimizations (ohallot)
 + Improvements in build robustness (part) (sberg)
 + Helpcontent2
 + Addressing menus changes for Impress/Draw (buovjaga)
 + Nomenclature changes (kompilainen)
 + Add release info for Calc fucntions (ohallot)
 + other improvements (libreofficiant)
 + Guides
 + resuming Calc guides review wiki page (T.Thibodeaux) 

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 240(240) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  2(-4) 12(-5)29(-7)  87(-11)
 commented 23(-32)   127(-8)   401(-27)   1408(-32)
   removed  0(-3)  3(0)  7(0)   17(-1) 
  resolved  6(4)  16(2) 47(3)  127(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 74 changes in 1 month, and 575 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 32 changes in 1 month, and 71 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 24 changes in 1 month, and 149 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 24 changes in 1 month, and 210 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 23 changes in 1 month, and 106 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 21 changes in 1 month, and 326 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 14 changes in 1 month, and 265 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 12 changes in 1 month, and 58 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 11 changes in 1 month, and 110 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 159 changes in 1 year

 + new tickets
   + zarro
   + is that because Xisco hands them to you normally ? (Michael)
   + probably – he’s on vacation (Heiko)
  + or it is far too usable already  

 + easyhacks
   + Make shortcuts extensionizable
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123768

 + ack request
   + Remove access to Firefox Persona in favor of self-hosted extensions
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123831
 + Moz changes API continuously – want themes of our own etc.
   => remove & ideally switch to new extensions

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 7(+6) import failure, 2(-2) export failures
  - mst has additional fixes which will probably fix the last of the
red-lines in next build
  – but new asserts/crashes have emerged
- interesting new asserts ? Or what triggers them ?  
+ coverity issues
  - coverity is back up
  - but we now need c++17, which isn’t working yet
  - asked coverity, and “new version will be deployed in the coming few
months”
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 11 (+3) issues, 9 timeouts, 1 OOM
  + found other one – but not really serious.
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ still some issues outstanding
– layout issues with additional asserts in ordinary docs.
- unclear if this is the original reason, or something new.
+ CNA process
+ positive progress.

* Crash Reporting (Heiko)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.3.2
+ 905 (-134)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 1195 (-65)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 719 (+275)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3
+ 2532 (+718)
  + lots more issues on fresh:
+ Hike in the download numbers recently
+ not entirely clear where it comes from; nothing interesting.
+ mostly from Spain, .cz, Poland, distributed etc.
+ people are using LibreOffice more often it seems → crash rate.

* Hackfests & Events (Thorsten)
   + this year hackfests coming up:
+ Tirana perhaps
  + April 25th April 28th → Easter variously.
  + May 4th / 5th  → conflict with German meetings
  + https://forum.openlabs.cc/t/libreoffice-hackfest-tirana-2019/1658
  + poke Bjoern / Eike / Xisco to chase / decide…
+ Paris in Summer
  + first week of July Fri/Sat 5th / 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier,Sophie, Eike, Stephan, Michael W, Heiko, Michael S, Michael M
  Christian, Caolan, Miklos, Thorsten, 

* Completed Action Items:
+ disable popups for development-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123270
  + not done → abandoning for now.

* Pending Action Items:
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
  + deadline: early next week   

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.1 rc2 status
   + delayed a little – some external library fixes 
   + on mirrors now and ready to be distributed.
+ 6.2.2 rc1
   + tagging it this weekend sometime.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + pages CSS tweaks (fitoshido)
 + improvements in build robustness (sberg)
 + updates XLST

+ Helpcontent2
 + updates in contents (libreofficiant, ohallot, fitoshido, Mark
   Robbinson, Mike Kaganski, A Gelmini)
 + Most screenshot are currently useless (tdf#123765)
  + dialogs with tabs are collapsed – missing other tabs
  + can’t use the images.   

+ Help editor
 + Investigating the integration of editor with gerrit
 + lots of work to do here.

+ Guide books
+ Team is growing with arrival of US based volunteers
+ willing new contributors here - shifted meeting for them

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 257(257) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-1)17(0) 36(-1)  98(1)  
 commented 55(19)   135(-3)   428(17)1440(15) 
   removed  3(3)  3(3)  7(0)   18(4)  
  resolved  2(-2)14(-6)44(2)  124(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 83 changes in 1 month, and 586 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 36 changes in 1 month, and 113 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 30 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 27 changes in 1 month, and 152 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 24 changes in 1 month, and 221 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 18 changes in 1 month, and 163 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 18 changes in 1 month, and 348 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 17 changes in 1 month, and 290 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 15 changes in 1 month, and 63 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 10 changes in 1 month, and 112 changes in 1 year

  + New needsUXEval between Feb/21-28

* Envelope dialog: Make dialog more a11y friendly
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107625
=> New

* Proposal of Enhancement for Writer / Table of Contents, Index or
  Bibliography
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123673
* Proposed Scale Tool feature
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123713
=> WFM

  + New proposed easyhacks – help with code pointers appreciated. 

* Disable "Close Bezier" when multiple objects are selected
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90373
* Cartesian System
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120582
* Reorganizing “Border” tab on “Format Cells” window in Calc
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100548
* add "coil" to draw basic shape menu
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50998
* Add opportunity to open Autofilter window uses shortcut
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123560


* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1(+0) import failure, 4(+0) export failures
  - no change: redline-related (?)
+ coverity issues
  - coverity is back up
  - but we now need c++17, which isn’t working yet
  - asked coverity, and “new version will be deployed in the coming few
months”
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 8 issues, 7 timeouts, 1 OOM 
  - down one from last week
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ had a run, but did not get any new ones; probably fixed
+ CVE issues
+ will be able to handle CVE’s ourselves (Caolán)
+ CNA process
+ asked in the meeting wrt. stupid stuff in the past
   + all not expected
+ positive progress.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco, Heiko)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.3.2
+ 1064 1039 (-25)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 1478 1260 (-218)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 382 444 (+62)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Michael S, Caolan, Michael M, Christian, Kendy, Miklos, Sophie
  Xisco, Eike, Stephan, Michael W, Heiko, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke OpenLabs for a hackfest room in Tirana (Xisco)
[ posted to their forum:
https://forum.openlabs.cc/t/libreoffice-hackfest-tirana-2019/1658
no response in a week, do we have interest ? ]
+ poke Rene before bumping to Java 1.6 baseline (Thorsten)
  [ all happy in gerritpatch merged ]
+ add commit access for Aleksei from basealt (Thorsten)
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Cloph)
  [ will use same process as for the remote
will convert XML files to po for translators]  
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Cloph)
  [ Japanese is disabled manually for now to get the stats ] 

* Pending Action Items:
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ disable popups for development-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123270
  [ sent some code pointers ]
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
  [ best to connection IRC to remind Kendy ] 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.1 rc1 status
  + tagged, up on mirrors but not made public yet.
  + rc2: Feb 19 – next week; as planned.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9
  + a bit further out.
+ 6.3 release schedule updated in the wiki
  + early April we have the 1st Alpha.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + stuck on this during testing … release this week.
  + recently started on Online / iOS approach (Kendy)
 + committing bits, noticed that currently using 14 as min SDK ver.
 + this is very low; anything with an SDK14 device – can’t run it.
 + even for NDK need Android 16 (Christian)
 + is it ok to bump it to 21 eg. ? (Kendy)
+ 16 would be ok – already there (Christian)
   + 16 is ok.
 + committing to master, hope we don’t break normal build
 + Q for GSOC (Thorsten)
+ long-term maintain in parallel ?
+ would like to kill Fennec / Java monster (Michael)
+ is it in a state where GSOC can work ? (Thorsten)
   + asked student to talk to Gulsha (Michael)
+ ATM – depends how far we get with iOS version (Kendy)
   + lets see next ESC.
   + not worth pointing at the old code, lacks features
+ if moving too fast – perhaps not GSOC at it ? (Christian)
   + de-couples mobile-UI from mobile quite nicely (Kendy)
 + easier for students to develop.
 + new approach, Android Studio is much nicer.
+ does anyone feel particularly strongly wrt. Java ver ? (Thorsten)
   + if didn’t have Moz gecko stuff – rather stick with Android (Cloph)
  + fear is a version that doesn’t follow
Android semantics / usability
   + Tomaz & Miklos co-mentored Mert last year (Miklos)
  + everyone happy to see this.
   + trying to do it so both apps continue to work for now (Kendy)
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ fix glitch in 6.2 online version (ohallot).
+ not working on Mac (Xisco)
   + patch in gerrit. 
+ Help contents
+ Fixes in pages (vmiklos, fitoshido) 
+ New pages on python (libreofficiant, ohallot)
+ Guides
+ resuming activities after FOSDEM

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 268(268) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 10(4) 22(6) 43(0)  102(6)  
 commented 51(24)   176(-6)   422(-5)1440(25) 
   removed  0(0)  2(0)  9(-2)  15(0)  
  resolved  5(4) 23(-4)42(3)  122(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 99 changes in 1 month, and 570 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 40 changes in 1 month, and 113 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 38 changes in 1 month, and 103 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 37 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 33 changes in 1 month, and 302 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 24 changes in 1 month, and 140 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 22 changes in 1 month, and 69 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 22 changes in 1 month, and 207 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 19 changes in 1 month, and 346 changes in 1 year
  BogdanB made 18 changes in 1 month, and 33 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Feb/06-14

* Menubar -> File -> Versions, save group combine

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Eike, Caolan, Michael M, Stephan, Christian, Miklos, Thorsten,
  Michael S, Xisco, Aditya, Olivier, Jan-Marek, Showroom, Heiko

* Completed Action Items:
+ PVS Stdio
  [ MikeK plodding through remaining issues & will ask for re-trigger ] 

* Pending Action Items:
+ disable popups for release-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
  [ sent some code pointers ]
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Christian)
  [ didn’t connect with him yet ]
+ mail BoD wrt. MS store update (Christian)
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ it fails with Japanese locale – but it’s not in the translation
can build with all of these – and build runs fine, but with just
ja it fails – needs further research  ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.5 RC2 status
  + tagging next week, final release announce with 6.2 final after FOSDEM
+ 6.2 RC3
  + tagged, need to re-build windows source checkout.
  + mac build is up-loaded,afterbuildwill up-load Linux
  + marketing put announcement back until after FOSDEM   
  + people want to be at home and react properly  
  + libreoffice-6-2-0 branch created
  + still require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + and another 2 reviews for libreoffice-6-2-0   
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + new builds planned for the stores this week.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + tweak in Search box (buovjaga) 
+ Helpcontent2
 + Several pages for Python + Basic Programming (A. Romedenne, ohallot)
 + Typos and cleanups (A Gelmini, A. Barrientos)
 + Graphics updates to svg (Mark Robbinson) 
+ Guides
 + Calc guide updates 
+ Prep for FOSDEM

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 270(270) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  8(2) 12(0) 49(-2)  97(-3) 
 commented 71(25)   158(30)   437(20)1451(2)  
   removed  1(0)  2(1) 11(1)   15(0)  
  resolved  8(-3)23(3) 38(5)  119(6)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 67 changes in 1 month, and 556 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 47 changes in 1 month, and 108 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 28 changes in 1 month, and 285 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 26 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 216 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 17 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
  Aditya Sahu made 16 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 
1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 12 changes in 1 month, and 342 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 12 changes in 1 month, and 68 changes in 1 year

  * New needsUXEval between Jan/17-24

 * notebookbar tabbed switch with keyboard shortcut to different tab
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121586
=> NAB
   
 * Shortcuts for shapes in Draw/Impress
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122928

 * Add shortcut keys / hotkeys to set zoom level?
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82679

 * When opening the navigator, the caret is no longer positioned on the list
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122900
   => unconfirmed/in discussion
   
 * Custom Shortcut not working properly on OSX
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122391
   => bug

 * Styles dropdown menu has wrong tooltip: "Create style from selection"
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74446
   => new, easyhack

 * Writer does not include a key combination to insert thin spaces
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121596
   => patch submitted, input welcome (U+202F NNBSP too wide with Liberation
Serif, U+200A HAIR SPACE too small maybe)
   + is it an ‘insert character’ UNO command with a parameter ? (Michael)
  + ideal not to add large numbers of UNO commands 1 per character  

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 15 (+0) import failures, 15(+0) export failures
  + crashtesting vm suspended, causing problems:
- https://status.documentfoundation.org/incident/140/
  + pretty sure mstahl has one fixed, and another is isolated & reproducible
+ ?? was 8(+0) coverity issues
  + coverity was not working with C++17
  + https://community.synopsys.com/s/article/Coverity-Scan-Update actually
now coverity is completely down for everybody with no ETA for
  

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Miklos, Michael W, Stephan, Michael S, Michael M, Heiko,
  Xisco, Caolan, Eike, Christian

* Completed Action Items:
+ disable popups for 6.1 for now (Justin L)

* Pending Action Items:
+ disable popups for release-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Christian)
  [ didn’t connect with him yet ] 
+ mail BoD wrt. MS store update (Christian)
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ it fails with Japanese locale – but it’s not in the translation
can build with all of these – and build runs fine, but with just
ja it fails – needs further research  ]
+ discuss PVS Stdio on dev list – someone look into it ? (Thorsten, MikeK)
  [ report came attached to a bug – need to ask for a re-run ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.5 RC1 status
  + tagged yesterday, builds are all up except win32 (building)
  + RC2 during the week of FOSDEM – plan to tag on Wed 30th
+ 6.2 RC3
  + tagging due next week.
  + libreoffice-6-2-0 branch created
  + still require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + and another 2 reviews for libreoffice-6-2-0   
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + new builds planned for the stores this week.
+ Online
  + up-loaded rc2 source

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ more WIP for Help Editor:
+ https://olivierhallot.blogspot.com/2019/
+ https://newdesign.libreoffice.org/help_editor/index.html
+ Using to check XHP and page rendering.
+ Helpcontents2
+ several fixes in page (SophiaS, A Gelmini)
+ Pages on Python (A Romedenne)
+ Updates pages for deprecated resources (ohallot)
+ pages for undocumented resources - eg. shift-F5 (ohallot)
+ Some refactor to spare L10n workload (ohallot)
+ Guides
+ Stalled

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 271(271) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  6(1) 12(-2) 51(-4) 100(-5) 
 commented 46(-8)   128(-16)   417(-20)   1449(-7) 
   removed  1(0)  1(-2) 10(-1)  15(-1) 
  resolved 11(8) 20(7)  33(6)  113(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 39 changes in 1 month, and 543 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 38 changes in 1 month, and 296 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 20 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 19 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 18 changes in 1 month, and 242 changes in 1 year
  Aditya Sahu made 16 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 14 changes in 1 month, and 348 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 13 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 142 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 8 changes in 1 month, and 62 changes in 1 year
 + New needsUXEval between Jan/10-17

* LibreOffice 6.2 notebook tabbed bar is missing RTL and LTR buttons
  after enabling CTL
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121589
* Notebookbar context related toolbars are visible
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122087
* context Menu: remove tabletext.xml from sd modules
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120844
* Explain in the style dialog that Outline & Numbering options are
  disabled due to style being assigned to Chapter Numbering
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122637
=> NEW

* Print (selected) pages harder to use in new printer dialog in 6.3+
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122707
* calc and draw sheet tab hardcoded black color actions
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122734
* UI: Shape background color depends on template
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122725
* Table background color not changing
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122486
=> in discussion

* Add zig-zag lines for table borders
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122766
=> unconfirmed

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 15 (+9) import failures, 15(+15) export failures
  + import issue should be fixed in the next round.
  + export looks like related to redlining
  + but not isolated a reproducer yet -
+ ?? 8(+0) coverity issues
  + coverity was not working with C++17
  + https://community.synops

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Miklos, Xisco, Sophie, Caolan, Michael S, Michael M,
  Olivier, Heiko, Christian, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ reach out to Zotero (Michael)
  [ not obvious how to move ahead; technology & license (AGPL)
installed it (Heiko)
   + Java - 100Mb install, connectors to different apps
   + LibreOffice connector – as an extension ]
+ blog poll with ~50/50 acceptance to drop bibliography (Heiko)
  [ some accept getting rid of it, others say minimum func.
makes sense for basic users without online connection.
Could do a GSOC project (Samuel volunteered) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Christian)
  [ didn’t connect with him yet ] 
+ mail BoD wrt. MS store update (Christian)
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ it fails with Japanese locale – but it’s not in the translation
can build with all of these – and build runs fine, but with just
ja it fails – needs further research  ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.4 RC2 status
+ 6.2 RC 1 status
  + ready for the bug hunting Friday tomorrow.
+ 6.2 RC 2 – due week 2 – Jan 17th  
  + still require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + libreoffice-6-2-0 after RC2.
  + Late Features
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Thorsten)
+ merged into master & 6.2 branch in time for RC1
+ except for document indexes – still being worked on
  which should be finished by tomorrow.
+ is it enabled by default ? (Xisco) 
 + yes enabled by default (Michael S)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + will provide a new version to the app store but no up-loaded yet.
 + Online
+ 6.2 rc1 source up-loaded.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Added  for proper rendering of python code (ohallot)
+ Work on online editor: render XHP page while editing (ohallot)
+ Help contents2
+ many fixes by translators (S. Horacek, Sabri Unai, ohallot)
+ miscellaneous fixes (erAck, ohallot)
+ additions and corrections for Basic and Python pages (libreofficiant)
+ Issue: How to add menus and toolbars for new UIs such as:
Notebook bar, simple bar, grouped bars, etc.
   + Huge work to describe UNO commands in new UIs. 
   + each page describes where a tool is eg. “menu → format → character”
   + considering all the cmds in an interface – quite a lot of work.
   + also confusing to list several (Michael)
  + the resulting is the same but the way to get it different.
  + should be able to do it programatically from
.uno:Format to a path in the UI.
   + menu never changes (Heiko)
  + help on notebookbars – perhaps just drop that.
  + concerned about the workflow around notebookbar,
too many options in the UI – and not close to usability.
  + we have five variants of similar UIs – which goes in &
is documented ?
+ development of new ones is easy.
  + propose to ship 1, not an arbitrary number of them.
 + making it an extension kills it (Michael)
+ few people install them
+ why should that be ? (Heiko)
   + practically it is – fixing that is hard (Michael)
 + if we get XML somewhere – can get it on pages (Olivier)
+ right transformation to find the files & simplify docs here.
 + in the end it is all .uno:Foo commands (Kendy)
+ menu/toolbar/sidebar
AI: + send some quick code pointers to Olivier (Kendy)
+ Guides.
+ Updates ongoing on Calc guides

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
259(259) (topicUI) bugs open, 278(278) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  4(-6) 19(-3) 61(-1) 102(-1) 
 commented 35(-21)   147(-19)   435(-1)1444(-8) 
   removed  1(1)   6(0)   9(1)   13(1)  
  resolved  3(2)   7(1)  22(0)  111(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 92 changes in 1 month, and 547 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 37 changes in 1 month, and 284 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 32 changes in 1 month, and 227 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 32 changes in 1 month, and 91 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 24 changes in 1 month, and 122 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 21 changes in 1 month, and 353 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 21 changes in 1 month, and 61 changes in 1 year
  himajin10 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  eisa

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Miklos, Caolan, Christian, Jan-Marek, Eike, Michael W, Heiko,
  Stephan, Sophie, Xisco, Kendy, Thorsten, Mert

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke Guilhelm wrt gandalf → to poke admins (Christian)
  [ Markus volunteered to look at this & ~all is well (Stephan) ]
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ run the script – and mailed it out ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ still failing when languages are enabled.
Not sure if it is related to langtag things –
perhaps a coincidence ? - more digging required ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.4 RC2 status
  + will up-load builds during the day.
+ 6.2 RC 1 – Dec 17th
  + want to tag early to help out bug-hunting with builds before Friday
 + aiming for Tuesday evening – please help out reviewing patches.
  + currently require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + Late Features ?
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Thorsten)
+ a flurry of activity in the private branch private/mst/redlining4b
+ pretty confident.
+ running mass-comparison framework from Milos 
+ should be in a good shape next week.
+ with consent of ESC – if none of the BZ docs trigger problems.
+ as close to production ready as possible.
+ crash testing ? (Michael)
   + input documents are the set of bugzilla docs (Thorsten)
  + lots of overlap
  + also using it with no experimental (Xisco)
  + don’t without the branch (Thorsten)
=> merge it into RC1 – not experimental anymore.
   + easy to turn off later – just a 1 liner.
   + happy to have a kill-switch too (Miklos)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + thanks to Stephan for fixing C++ exceptions here
  + updated tinderbox to recent debian so it now builds.
  + Christian has access to recovery console too now.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help
 + Updates in XSLT + DTD for Python code fragments
 + writing python documentation / help
 + Help
 + Fix typos from translators review (ohallot, Sabri Unal)
 + some refactor (SophiaS)
 + Fix menu paths for recent UI (S. Horacek)
 + New pages for Python Scripts (ohallot, libreofficiant)
 + New pages for StarDesktop, Enum objects (libreofficiant)
 + Guides
 + Work in progress

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 286(286) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 10(1)  22(-6)62(4)  103(1)  
 commented 56(-12)   166(-2)   436(12)1452(-16)
   removed  0(0)   6(-2) 8(0)   12(-1) 
  resolved  1(-1)  6(1) 22(-1) 112(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 91 changes in 1 month, and 534 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 53 changes in 1 month, and 292 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 38 changes in 1 month, and 348 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 33 changes in 1 month, and 89 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 226 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 25 changes in 1 month, and 124 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 17 changes in 1 month, and 57 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 13 changes in 1 month, and 77 changes in 1 year
  Raal made 10 changes in 1 month, and 31 changes in 1 year
  himajin10 made 8 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year

   + New needsUXEval between Dec/06-Dec/12

   * Wasting of time and bad behaviour when you use the 'clone' of the cell
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121876
 => NAB
   * Mail Merge toolbar hidden on next run if it was manually enabled
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122002
 => NEW
   * default padding around Images
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122063
   * Some enhancement request for customization dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121939
   * Some enhancement request and issues for the Personas dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121937
   * Can't select/pick multiples shapes or images in
 Writer/Calc/Impress/Draw with CTRL key
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121967
   * Data loss risk referencing slides from external impress presentation
 (Menu Insert -> File, selecting link)
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51554
 => in discussion

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Jmux, Michael S, Kendy, Stephan, Heiko, Christian, Michael M,
  Thorsten, Olivier, Xisco, Eike 

* Completed Action Items:
+ fwd port experimental firebird migration patch to -6-2 (Xisco)

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ hope to have run for next time ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ still WIP] 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2 Beta 2 – no request → skip  
+ 6.1.4 RC2
  + due next week tagging expected Tues.  
+ 6.2 RC 1 – Dec 17th
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar: merged to master & -6-2 (Heiko)
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Michael S)
+ trying to aim for UI freeze on Dec 17 for switching the 
default
+ preparing a back-port of parts already done to -6-2 branch
   + can merge this branch tomorrow
+ doing some testing / fixing of crashers from printing & 
formatting 
+ have a few more issues to fix
+ can we turn it out of experimental in master ? (Thorten)
   + then we get crash-testing – next week perhaps.
 + showstopper fixed for Notebookbar (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103226
+ thanks to Mike K.
 + minor complaint wrt. single Chart save removal in calc (Heiko)
+ how to know ? - checkout release notes
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
 + tinderbox off-line while it is updated to gcc7 baseline.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (nothing this week)
+ Help contents
+ pages fixes and refactor (A. Gelmini, erAck,
M. Kaganski, LibreOficiant, ohallot)
+ New help page on OpenPGP encryption (ohallot, bubli).
+ Guides
+ Team working in updating Calc Guide to 6.2

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 285(285) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  9(1) 28(-4)58(2)  102(3)  
 commented 68(34)   168(7)424(37)1468(30) 
   removed  0(-5) 8(0)  8(0)   13(-1) 
  resolved  2(2)  5(-3)23(1)  113(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 114 changes in 1 month, and 551 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 60 changes in 1 month, and 303 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 50 changes in 1 month, and 342 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 21 changes in 1 month, and 63 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 16 changes in 1 month, and 115 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 11 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  himajin10 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 9 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 9 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 8 changes in 1 month, and 135 changes in 1 year
   + 11 new needsUXEval between Nov/29-Dec/06

   * Rework tab Header/Footer in dialogue Page style in Calc
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121777
   * Autocorrect: an option to avoid auto-capitalization of some words
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121779
   * Doesn't active menu item Insert->Headers and Footers in Calc 6.2
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121759
   * Table with no styles created by table picker differs from a table 
 with no styles created by insert table dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121816
   * UI: Name of options section "HTML Compatibility" doesn't match 
 the wider scope of available options
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121837
   * The problem of drawing trapezoidal graphs
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116672
   * Gutters
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121883
   * Horizontal table borders appear slightly fatter compared to 
 vertical lines and compared to previous versions
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121026
   * Unsaved changes to document indicator invisible
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121814
   => New/In discussion
   
   * UX - Simplify Page Border Menu & Provide Basic Cover Page Templates
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121864
   => Accepted
   
   * Tabbed UI in Windows does not get theme color - remains white.
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121877
   => Dup

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1 (+0) impor

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Eike, Miklos, Stephan, Michael S, Olivier, Xisco, Caolan
  Michael W, Sophie, Michael M, Drew, Christian, Heiko,
  Thorsten, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ add commit access & welcome Mert Tumer (Michael M)
+ mend Android tinderbox (Christian)
  [ has build failures, but is back ] 

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ not run yet ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ set it up on the build-bot that was Kendy’s no results yet ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.4 RC1 status
  + tagged yesterday, uneventful – collecting builds to up-load 
+ 6.2 Beta 2 slot (?)
  + any requests for this – else skip it.
  + are daily builds sufficient for Notebookbar testing ?
  + Andreas K proposed to have a B2 (Xisco)
 + Notebookbar enabled in B1 already
 + not particularly worried about having one (Heiko)
  => no beta 2 planned.
 + can request next monday if big changes.
+ 6.2 RC 1 – Dec 17th
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar (Heiko)
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/63883/
+ terminology in discussion, review pending
+ agreement to have this – 90 days alternation with get-involved.
+ how do we label / approach the people.
+ an option to turn it off ? (Michael W)
   + yes → lots of ways to do that (Heiko)
   + prefer to have this as a compile time option (Michael M)
=> merge it.
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Michael S)
- trying to aim for UI freeze on Dec 17 for switching the 
default
+ hoping to finish a few 10’s of patches to get interactive editing
  bits into a state where basic things work.
+ will be some more complex bits to do after that.
+ autoformat pieces – makes splitting paragraphs harder.
 + showstopper for Notebookbar (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103226
+ Kshitij’s patch was reverted – seems like a show-stopper.
+ a problem with toolbars that pop-up or not
+ marketing people are doing work, and disappointment is great.
+ MikeK may be looking in his spare time (Caolan)
   + patch at https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/64256/
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
 + Online

* Base / Firebird migration assistant (Xisco)
+ was experimental in 6.1 – now it’s on in 6.2
+ should it be on by default ?
+ also triggers the conversion dialog when a macro is run (Christian)
+ this breaks a number of external projects:
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121599 
+ rather important (Drew)
+ why don’t we make it experimental still in 6.2 ? (Miklos)
+ so more time to fix in master.
+ not convinced it is ready without a code update (Drew)
+ will we have it in another six months if experimental again ? (Xisco)
+ if not on in master – no test coverage, so good to have on (Thorsten)
+ don’t think it’s a bad thing on master (Drew) 
   + if the issue on when it prompts to start the conversion
 then could have it on in 6.2
   + waiting for someone to take an interest here (Michael M)
=> fwd port patch so it’s experimental again in 6.2 (Xisco)

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + added new (extended) XML tags for simpler markup (ohallot)
 + Added code highlight for BASIC code (ohallot)
+ Helpcontents
 + New pages for Basic and VBA (A. Romedenne)
 + Fixes in help pages (A Gelmini, ohallot, fitoshido)
 + Help entry pages on using Python scripts (ohallot)
+ Guides
 + Team delivering first updates on Calc book
 + discussing on how to bypass bugs.
+ updated wiki pages on how to write help pages.
 + also documenting new XML extensions.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 284(284) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(-2) 32(-3) 56(-1)  99(-1) 
 commented 34(-41)   161(-42)   387(-22)   1438(-28)
   removed  5(4)   8(5)   8(5)   14(5)  
  resolved  0(-4)  8(-2) 22(-3) 116(-5) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 114 changes in 1 month, and 551 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 80 changes in 1 month, and 349 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 52 changes in 1 month, and 283 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 38 changes in 1 month, and 141 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 15 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 1

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Michael W, Eike, Stephan, Caolan, Christian, Xisco, Michael M,
  Heiko, Kendy, Thorsten, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ not run yet ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ didn’t get to the build failure ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ all well.  
+ 6.2 Beta 1
  + cherry-pick from master to 6.2 branch
  + feature frozen, but no reviews needed yet for 6-2
  + optional beta 1st week in Dec. 
  + otherwise RC1 is due Dec 17th.
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar (Heiko)
+ not decided yet if we go with it.
+ can we get the strings in ? (Michael M)
   + still a couple of weeks here.
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Michael S) 
- trying to aim for UI freeze on Dec 17 for switching the 
default 
+ 6.1.4 RC1 next week 48, Nov 26
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
 + Online
+ 6.2 branch & Beta1 source release  

* Printing dialog (Kompi - not here)
+ status update on:
  https://gist.github.com/danielfaleiro/992aa39557f8475b8f4daa3af4bb3052
+ anything actionable here ? (Thorsten)
   + dislike the "hassle things into the project" approach (Michael)
+ expect to get plenty of bugs when it hits real users (Thorsten)
   + need someone to step up to own / fix issues.
   + easy part is the merge conflicts.
+ similar story with GSOC side-bar (Xisco)
   + completely understand not merging it.
+ any volunteers to shared fixing ? (Thorsten)
   + can do a fix or two, but not all of it myself.
   + may have a look (Michael W)
=> looking forward to Daniel continuing to finish this & merge it.

* CentOS base-line for KDE bits ? (Christian)
+ had already bumped it for 6.2 – for gtk3 / KDE5
+ 64bit Linux build on CentOS7
+ 32bit Linux still on CentOS6
   + platform is missing these newer pieces.
   + not got the new gtk/kde support but has new compiler.

* Compiler baselines (Stephan)
+ Plan at 
 
“Re: Compiler baselines”:
+ If nobody objects, we'd update the build baselines on master
  (towards LO 6.3) as follows (cf README.md):
+ Windows: from Visual Studio 2017 to Visual Studio 2017 version 15.7
+ macOS: from Xcode 8 to Xcode 9.3
   + expect tinderbox / builders are at 9.3 anyway. 
+ Linux GCC: from GCC 4.8.1 to GCC 7
+ Linux Clang: from Clang to Clang 5.0.2
+ Clang compiler plugins: from Clang 3.8 to Clang 5.0.2
+ flex: from 2.5.35 to 2.6.0
+ gperf: from 3.0.0 to 3.1
 + any objections ? otherwise impl. thus.
 + Android ? (Michael)
+ tinderbox is dead too …
+ using the NDK-16 (Christian)
   + C++ run-time deprecated,
 and bump to NDK18 to llvm C++ runtime
 where exception handling is broken.  
AI: + mend tinderbox (Christian)
 + MacOS / toolchain ? (Thorten)
+ if dropping unmaintained stuff - no problem.

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help
  + fixes and enhancements in Index (buovjaga)
 + Helpcontents
  + Typos (SophiaS)
  + Pages updates (S. Horacek, M. Kaganski)
 + Guides,
  + many discussions on templates 
  + procedures for guides updates
 + plenty of activity.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 298(298) - needsUXEval
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 10(-5)35(0) 57(3)  100(4)  
 commented 75(8)203(0)409(18)1466(-9) 
   removed  1(-1) 3(1)  3(1)9(1)  
  resolved  4(2) 10(-2)25(-1) 121(-4) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 118 changes in 1 month, and 368 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 115 changes in 1 month, and 550 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 52 changes in 1 month, and 147 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 44 changes in 1 month, and 273 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 31 changes in 1 month, and 31 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 29 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 15 changes in 1 month, and 83 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 15 changes in 1 month, and 55 changes in 1 year
  Muhammet Kara made 12 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 11 changes in 1 month, and 147 changes in 1 year
   New needsUXEval between Nov/16-22th 

 * Standard (Viewing Mode) toolbar does not have the close icon
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121490
   => Assigned/Fixed
 * Add button in tabbed mode
  

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Michael M., Olivier, Miklos, Sophie, Xisco, Heiko,
  Michael W, Stephan, Eike, Michael S., Christian, Thorsten 

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ not run yet ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ didn’t get to the build failure ]

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ 6.2 Beta 1 & feature freeze status
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar (Heiko)
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Michael S) 
- trying to aim for UI freeze on Dec 17 for switching the 
default 
  + will create branch and tag later today
  + merged red-lining branch (Michael S)
 + can display documents in document view properly.
 + more bits to do – wrt. applying paragraph properties
 + still an experimental mode option
 + hope to be done by then end of the year
 + can kill the ‘too many red-lines’ dialog.
 + can’t get rid of removal when export to ODF (yet)
 + perhaps get it on by default in 6.2.0 – decide on 
   Dec 17th at UI freeze deadline (Thorsten)
   + need to update build-slaves for 6.3 ? (Stephan)
 + best to update LODE first to make it easy (Christian)   
+ 6.1.4 RC1 week after the next (week 48, Nov 26)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + exception handling issue in libstdc++ ?
   + needs to be fixed for ARM to use the latest NDK.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Improvement in index search (buovjaga, sberg)
   + Fix png → svg icon replacement logic in XSLT (ohallot)
+ Helpcontent2
   + New page on VBA FormatNumber (ohallot)
   + how to use the VBA compatibility option. 
   + REGEX calc function (ohallot)
   + OpenType font features (ohallot)
   + Typos in contents (SophiaS, Agelmini)
   + http → https in links (SophiaS)
   + Fixes after translators review (ohallot)
   + clarifications in text (caolán, M. Kaganski)
+ Literature (Guides)
   + wiki page for writing Help contents (Sophie)
   + wiki page on Using NC client (ohallot)
   + review of Calc chapters (D. Barton, D. Jensen, C. Crumbley)
+ tests on mathml for equations in help pages
   + seems only to be there in firefox, but works quite well.  

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 296(296) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 15(10)35(12)54(14)  96(14) 
 commented 67(39)   203(37)   391(64)1475(51) 
   removed  2(2)  2(2)  2(2)8(3)  
  resolved  2(-2)12(0) 26(-1) 125(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 136 changes in 1 month, and 356 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 95 changes in 1 month, and 526 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 46 changes in 1 month, and 141 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 44 changes in 1 month, and 290 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 21 changes in 1 month, and 174 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 20 changes in 1 month, and 83 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 15 changes in 1 month, and 53 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 15 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 14 changes in 1 month, and 206 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 14 changes in 1 month, and 69 changes in 1 year
  * New needsUXEval between Nov/09-15

* Paragraph settings are unavailable when an image is selected
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120520
  => WF
* Autocorrect strikeout writing convention potential for unintended changes
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121377
  => WFM
* The buttons "convert to ODP format" or "use PPT format" are ordered
  differently
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121311
  => NAB
* Table Design from Impress should be available in Calc and Writer
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121307
  => DUP
* Tooltip for Color Bar interactions missing
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121437
  => ENH
* Groupedbar Audio or video contextual menu is deformated
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117689
  => BUG
* Change the AutoFormat Table Style button in Calc for several icon sets
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120918
  => ASSI
* StarOffice fonts still in use in wizard templates
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113720
  => ASSI
* Group Header and Footer styles together at the hierarchical view
   + https:/

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Caolan, Kendy, Olivier, Miklos, Xisco, Sophie, Stephan,
  Michael W, Michael M  

* Completed Action Items:
+ characterize perf. Impact of changing icon scaling algorithm (jmux)
[ tweaked the makefiles, takes a while to load PNG to SVG
  is cached, takes a few seconds – happens (Heiko)
 + PNGs were in ZIP files and sorted to improve I/O ? (Michael) ]
+ investigate missing crash report signatures in 6.1.2 (Cloph)
  [ fixed in 6.1.3 – missing up-loads (Markus) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ not run yet ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Cloph)
  [ build still fails ]

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ 6.0.7.3 and 6.1.3.2 released this week.
+ 6.2 Beta 1 & feature freeze next week
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar (Heiko)
+ 6.1.4 RC1 week after
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + exception handling issue in libstdc++ ?
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ No news
+ Andres K is up-loading new icons for new help.
+ Help contents
+ Typos and fixes (SophiaS, ohallot)
+ Guides
+ Reformulating workflow with NextCloud + LooL
+ Working and templates for Calc Guide
+ support for newcomers.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 286(286) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  5(-9) 23(-5) 40(-7)  82(-14)
 commented 28(-63)   166(-35)   327(-41)   1424(-77)
   removed  0(-1)  0(-1)  0(-1)   5(-1) 
  resolved  4(0)  12(0)  27(0)  126(-2) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 132 changes in 1 month, and 336 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 70 changes in 1 month, and 485 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 60 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 33 changes in 1 month, and 128 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 20 changes in 1 month, and 275 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 16 changes in 1 month, and 202 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 15 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Muhammet Kara made 13 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 12 changes in 1 month, and 75 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 11 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
   + New tickets with flag needsUXEval between Nov/01-08

 + Change name (description) of 4th argument to VLOOKUP and HLOOKUP to
   "Sorted range lookup"
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121090
 ++ TRACK CHANGES: linked files changes are not shown in the master document
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121166
 + Western acronyms not correctly formatted in RTL context
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121182
   => WFM
 + Single page not centered when in multiple-page view
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95076
 + In CALC, the Data autofilter GUI does not have consistent controls
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76882
   => WFM
 + [Feature request] Search on Options
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121160
   => DUP
 ++ LO Impress: Option Double Underline is disabled
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121233
 + LO Calc -> Format -> Text -> there is no checkbox for option Double
   Underline
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121239
 + personas different header/fooder files for different LibO apps
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121174

   + Bring Notebookbar out of experimental state for 6.2 (Heiiko)
  + META ticket https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102062
(missing customizable, extensions cannot register icons, 
 chart and other sections missing, resize issues, a11y, macOS glitches)
  + Patch https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/62959/
  + Agreement from marketing & QA
  + hope to attract more development when it is non-experimental
  + would like to see it by default (Xisco)
  + when people report issues – if no-one fixes them then what ?
  + should ensure we have a means of improving it quickly.
  + don’t see ~any development here – just minor changes.
  + Jim is looking at the a11y issues (Heiko)
  => put this option on for 6.2 betas / Rcs for now & re-visit later

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 7 (+2) import failure, 2(-2) export failures
+ found webdav problem and fixed it
+ ?? 8 (+0) coverity issues
+ ?? Google / ossfuzz:
+ 15 issue

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Stephan, Caolan, Xisco, Olivier, Heiko, Eike, Andras,
  Thorsten, Michael

* Completed Action Items:
+ give Rizal Muttaqin commit access & welcome (Heiko)

* Pending Action Items:
+ investigate missing crash report signatures in 6.1.2 (Cloph)
  [ not yet sure what’s happening ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Cloph)
  [ build still fails ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian, Xisco)
+ 6.0.7 rc3 status, release on Monday
+ 6.1.3 status, release on Monday
+ 6.2 Beta 1 & feature freeze due Nov 12th
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + exception handling issue in libstdc++ ?
+ Online

 * Backport tdf#119020 "Icons are corrupted on Windows when scaling UI / OpenGL"
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/62686/
+ 6.0 has been tagged so this patch comes to late
+ welcome for 6.1 as late feature

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Corner cases of handling legacy PNG images, potential easy hack
   + will split the bug into multiple smaller bugs   
+ Help contents
   + updated pages in Base reports (olivier)
   + Fix typos, bugs (Fitoshido, olivier)
   + Add warning for experimental features (buovjaga)
+ Calc guide
   + Discussions WRT handling massive amount of styles in docs, e.g. 
updating the calc guides

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 297(297) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 14(3) 28(3) 47(-1)  96(-7) 
 commented 91(46)   201(43)   368(5) 1501(-33)
   removed  1(1)  1(1)  1(1)6(0)  
  resolved  4(2) 12(4) 27(-3) 128(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 122 changes in 1 month, and 326 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 96 changes in 1 month, and 200 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 70 changes in 1 month, and 525 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 37 changes in 1 month, and 223 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 28 changes in 1 month, and 139 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 24 changes in 1 month, and 282 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 16 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 13 changes in 1 month, and 127 changes in 1 year
  Muhammet Kara made 13 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 11 changes in 1 month, and 45 changes in 1 year
New needsUXEval between Oct/26-31

 * Access to the language property at paragraph settings
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120932

 * Make font size field in styles dialogs toggleable between percentage and pt
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121011

 * Appearing of GtkSeparator on Notebookbars is different to standard rulers
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121050

 * Toolbar: Remove oleobjectbar.xml and use frameobjectbar.xml
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120985


* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 5 (+0) import failure, 4(+0) export failures
+ 8 (+0) coverity issues
+ HsqlBinaryImportText::testBinaryImport failure
+ didn’t get a build
+ Google / ossfuzz:
+ 15 issues, 1 serious, lots of timeout issues
+ did something get slower on our or their side ?
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ 4 writer layout issues
+ couple of other issues
+ end of Jan. embargo for one lower prio issue.
   + hopefully Miklos can poke at it post spec. update.
   + connecting to other related developers.
+ another issue in progress at higher prio.
  Still struggling to agree an embargo with AOO
   + but got a reply
+ PVS Studio
 + mikekaganski fixing lots of the remaining minor nits.
 + can we get them to run it again at some stage ? ...

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 421 (last 7 days) (-20)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.6.2
 + 1076 (last 7 days) (-241)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.0.3
 + 1127 (last 7 days) (-1114)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.1.2
 + 1034 (last 7 days) (-192)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.2.1
 + 4167 (last 7 days) (+144)

* Hackfests & Events (Thorsten)
   + Munich was nice, details & achievements on the wiki:   
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Muenchen2018
   + next year hackfests coming up:
+ FOSDEM in February
+ Tirana perhaps in March/April
+ Paris in summer
+ tentative Dresden: late autumn (past mid-October, for having students)
   + hope to have one each quarter.

* ment

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Xisco, Sophie, Caolan, Christian, Michael W, Michael M, Eike, Heiko
  Olivier, Miklos, Kendy, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ disable editing for the android viewer except in alpha programme 
(Christian)
  [ submitted to gerrit – needs review & releasing ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ investigate missing crash report signatures in 6.1.2 (Cloph)
  [ not yet sure what’s happening ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Cloph)
  [ build still fails ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian, Xisco)
+ 6.0.7 rc2 status
  + the last of the 6.0 line – built & on mirrors
  + will be an rc3 for this thanks to Xisco.
+ 6.1.3 RC2
  + this week – as scheduled.
+ 6.2 Alpha 1 status
  + tagged and released last week
+ 6.2 Beta 1 & feature freeze due Nov 12th
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + exception handling issue in libstdc++ ?
  + disable exceptions as a workaround; not aborting – affects Intel only.
  + new app-store submissions require 64bit Intel versions
  + new ARM ones will require llvm run-time.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help: 
+ Published proposal for XHP extensions
  + Some feedback (N. Grandin, D. Barton)
+ Help Contents
+ Typo fixing
+ Guides
+ Support for Calc Guide – one of the most demanded guides
+ General
+ Wiki pages updates on documentation, staffing.  

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 305(305) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(1)  25(-2)48(3)  103(3)  
 commented 45(-12)   158(-4)   363(-21)   1534(-32)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  0(0)6(1)  
  resolved  2(0)   8(-1)30(0)  129(-2) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 110 changes in 1 month, and 316 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 106 changes in 1 month, and 202 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 45 changes in 1 month, and 544 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 34 changes in 1 month, and 232 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 18 changes in 1 month, and 287 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 16 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 14 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 133 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 7 changes in 1 month, and 155 changes in 1 year
+ More tickets on harmonization of context menus and toolbar
  (mostly rearrangement)
 + to make appear the same in all modules.
+ Some requests to improve FF persona
  + more tickets about it, and interest.
  + show thumbnail of downloaded firefox bits etc.
+ Undo and redo enhancement
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120809
+ Table protected cells: Add possibility to disable warning message
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120726

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 5 (-1) import failure, 4(+3) export failures
+ relatively stable
+ bisected a crash for Laszlo 
+ 8 (-1) coverity issues
+ down a bit  
+ Google / ossfuzz:
+ finding more things this week.
+ 12 issues, 2 serious
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ 4 writer layout issues
+ got one cleared a couple of weeks ago
+ couple of other issues
+ end of Jan. embargo for one lower prio issue.
   + hopefully Miklos can poke at it post spec. update.
+ another issue in progress at higher prio.
  struggling to agree an embargo with AOO
+ PVS Studio
+ got all of their warnings from them in a dump
+ thanks to all who have helped: Caolan, MikeK, Xisco, Michael S
+ a large amount of false positives
   + confusion around operator overloads pwrt. >>= etc.
+ tone was somewhat unhelpful
+ cherry-picked the 1 correct finding of 50 false positives
+ then again – still bugs we can fix; nothing frightening though.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 441 (last 7 days) (-69)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.6.2
 + 1317 (last 7 days) (-82)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.0.3
 + 1241 (last 7 days) (-107)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.1.2
 + 1226 (last 7 days) (-90)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.2.1
 + 4023 (last 7 days) (+655)
+ missing symbols – all mergelo.dll with no traces.
+ some Windows 10 issues related to an upgrade
  higher crashes this week for the same builds / something new

* DINAcon - Bern / Swit

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Jmux, Caolan, Michael W, Miklos, Michael M, Olivier, Kendy, Stephan,
  Heiko, Christian, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ discuss Google Code-in at staff meeting (Sophie, Heiko, Xisco)
[ deadline for orgs to be registered on Monday (Xisco)
 + still discussing, but require 150-500 tasks …
 + triage a bug ? (Michael) ]
+ filter out ‘Pootle bot’ and ‘*DUMMY*’ from top reviewers (Xisco)
[ done & updated minutes ]
+ mail reporters directly to ask for help re: (Xisco)
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119250
[ mailed 4, answers from 2 – which Windows version & try master …
  none of them tried master yet ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ default bitergia filter for master + libreoffice-* (Christian)
[ enabled for gerrit (default) view enabled, but default git
  view needs improving with external script ]
  
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.7 – due in October
+ 6.1.1 RC2 status
+ released today.
+ 6.1.2 RC1 (one release cycle)
+ due next week.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ did work without debug – in release mode.
+ Online
+ 6.1.1 - up-loaded

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ fix more bookmark issues (ohallot)
+ replaced PNG icons with SVG in XSLT. (ohallot)
   + SVG Colibre now in Help packages (ohallot)
   [q] Should we change in Help source file instead?
   + will have to review icons for a11y anyway
   + stick with it in the transformation for now ? (Kendy)
   + can’t be automated; need to do it icon-by-icon
 the alt=”” tag needs re-writing (Olivier)
   + alt=”” should have a more meaningful icon description
   + ideal for easy hacks (Michael)
   + best not to focus Olivier on it (Kendy)
+ Helpcontent2
+ fixes and additions (S. Horacek, Fitoshido, M. Kaganski, A. Gelmini)
+ mute L10n on many symbol table entries (ohallot, fitoshido)
+ Guides
+ finished “Getting Started LibreOffice 6.0”
+ working on announcement, blogpost, web pages for download

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 295(295) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  9(1) 24(3) 37(1)   98(-1) 
 commented 59(7)165(24)   370(7) 1611(-39)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  1(0)8(-1) 
  resolved  3(1)  8(-1)31(0)  145(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Kainz, Andreas made 135 changes in 1 month, and 179 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 84 changes in 1 month, and 616 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 40 changes in 1 month, and 323 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 38 changes in 1 month, and 228 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 20 changes in 1 month, and 255 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 16 changes in 1 month, and 57 changes in 1 
year
  dieterp made 14 changes in 1 month, and 138 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 8 changes in 1 month, and 86 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 6 changes in 1 month, and 38 changes in 1 year
  Harald Koester made 6 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  New tickets since Sep/06 (besides about context menu)
   * UI: "Format" button in outline/chapter numbering dialog not 
self-explanatory
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108890
 + rename button

   * Drawing styles at the sidebar lack of background and border color
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119729
 + easyHack, needsDevEval

   * CTRL+ALT+E isn't opening the extension dialog but inserts a "é"
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119676
 + bug?, see also 118269 
 + why do we have a hot-key for that dialog ? (Michael) 
+ not only this – other shortcuts with ctrl-alt (Heiko)
   + can we bisect it, find & prioritize it ? (Michael)

   * Direct formatting control text Highlighting mode  not toggling off
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119753
 + controversial; discussion postponed

   * Discussion about persona ongoing
 + https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg08820.html
 + patch for now submitted by mkara 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/60432/
 + do we announce it is deprecated ? Find a better sol’n ?
 + in the past – Mozilla planned a more stable API (Kendy)
+ didn’t happen – some GSOC student worked on that.
+ unclear if it happened.
 + most ideal to proxy their content (Michael)

   * Image caption, inconsistency: caption for images is now

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Heiko, Olivier, Miklos, Jan-Marek, Caolan, Xisco, Sophie,
  Christian, Michael M, Michael W, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ tinderboxes setup with new dev-tools (Christian)
[ done – both 32 and 64bit based on CentOS6 – with official tools
  and 32bit has COPR, also new autotools from PDL repos.
  now up to gcc-7.3.1. 
  mostly brings us into C++ 2017 (Stephan)
  + found guarenteed copy ellision is not there yet on.
  conference decision / discussion on CentOS7 ? (Thorsten)
  + love to discuss it at the conference.
  + having native KDE5 there would be great. ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ default bitergia filter for master + libreoffice-* (Christian)
[ enabled for gerrit (default) view enabled, but default git
  view needs improving with external script ]
  
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.7 – due in October
+ 6.1.1 RC2 status
+ hoping to tag later today.
+ still two waiting in the 6.1.1 queue
+ time until 9pm German time.
+ 6.1.2 shortened cycle to just one RC
+ Remotes
+
+ Android viewer
+ any keyboard input crashes it
+ no obvious change in Android bits
+ debugger not working either
+ perhaps bisecting ...
+ might be nice to have an APK bibisect (Michael)
+ Online
+ needs a 6.1.1

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Patches for improving icons visualization
 + Change icons from PNG to SVG for better resolution
+ Help contents
 + refactor pages on using strings vs numbers
+ Help editor
 + patches for autocompletion (Mike Saunders)
 + wiki pages on Help editing and XML
+ Guides
 + 2 chapters left to handover.
+ preliminary look at a11y linting of web-help.
 + needs xhp updates too.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 295(295) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(-3) 21(1)  36(2)   99(2)  
 commented 52(-14)   141(-10)   363(6) 1650(-33)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   1(0)9(0)  
  resolved  2(-1)  9(-4) 31(1)  145(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Kainz, Andreas made 120 changes in 1 month, and 162 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 53 changes in 1 month, and 603 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 27 changes in 1 month, and 317 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 21 changes in 1 month, and 216 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 19 changes in 1 month, and 57 changes in 1 
year
  dieterp made 12 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 12 changes in 1 month, and 254 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 12 changes in 1 month, and 35 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 9 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 7 changes in 1 month, and 36 changes in 1 year
  + menu reorganization: depth of rational ...
+ comments in 
+ reverted & Andreas started again from scratch
+ ideal to have harmonization over modules.
+ priority is that it is familiar (Michael)
+ important to make things more usable (Thorsten)
   + but familiarity of hot-key sequences is really important.
+ are there changes at all ? (Heiko)
   + would ideally like a choice of UI pieces.

New needsUXEval from Aug/30-Sep/05

 * No keyboard shortcuts for next/previous heading
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119665

 * There isn't tool Gradient from toolbar Transformations on Sidebar
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119689

 * Document comparison option not to take into account style changes
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119605

 * Implement "Most recent fields inserted"
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119594

For discussion

 * Personas not found again (seems root cause is different than tdf#114731)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118881
   + remove the feature or make it an extension
   + replace by (hard-coded?) color schemes (night mode alike)
   + can we ship a few by default (Michael)
  + allow to modify it later by extension (Heiko)
 + don’t like to move things to an extension (Stephan)
 + data-content has to be incorporated
 + its an interface; hard to spot and break etc.
 + careful with these.
  + reasonably well specified XML + imgs (Michael)
 + not against it – but want it done well (Stephan)
 + extensions not a panacea etc.
  + current state – parse HTML from Mozilla manually (Mikl

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Stephan, Olivier, Michael S, Michael M, Sophie, Xisco,
  Christian, JMux

* Completed Action Items:
+ get download numbers for 32bit Linux (Christian)
https://downloadcounter.libreoffice.org/chart/install_by_os 
[ Windows 4:1 for 64:32 bit
  Linux 3:1 for 64:32 bit or so
  5k-7k 32bit downloads per week on Linux ]
+ build stats on Wed. vs. Thur moving meetings (Heiko)

* Pending Action Items:
+ default bitergia filter for master + libreoffice-* (Christian)
[ no info after the fact for which branch a commit was done.
  Unclear which way – add to data gathering daemon or add
  additional data later.
+ Useful to filter early (Michael)
+ should be possible to add raw data to filter command (Christian)
   bool for master or not ]
+ add 6.2 release plan to the overview in the wiki (Christian)
[ pending, along with 6.1 update ]
  
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.7 – due in October
+ 6.1.1 RC1 update
+ still not tagged; fixed for numbertext data in gerrit 
+ now ready to do a new tag, need to shift release of RC2 date.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New help
 + fixes in screenshot handling in XLST (ohallot)
 + several tweaks in JS and HTML (kendy)
 + fixes in bookmarks
+ Helpcontent
 + Help pages for image compression w. screenshots (ohallot)
 + fixes in help contents (M. Kagansky, ohallot, S. Shröder, S. 
Horacek) 
+ Guides
 + More chapters reviewed.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 292(292) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-2)17(2)  30(4)   94(3)  
 commented 31(-7)   153(-13)   310(2) 1666(-48)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   1(0)9(0)  
  resolved  1(-1)15(0)  27(-1) 147(-5) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 48 changes in 1 month, and 608 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 40 changes in 1 month, and 253 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 32 changes in 1 month, and 318 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 26 changes in 1 month, and 40 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 24 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 24 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 19 changes in 1 month, and 83 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 47 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 150 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 10 changes in 1 month, and 232 changes in 1 year
New tickets Aug/17-22

  + 117972 Empty string (solved)
  + 119360 Inconsistent labels protect/protected in Insert/Edit
  + some tickets on harmonization of context menu (in review)

  + 79022 Italic weight for Source Sans Pro available 
(https://github.com/adobe-fonts/source-serif-pro/issues/2#issuecomment-413925880
 )

Changes done

 + Writer templates are generated during build now (Laurent BP)
    + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/58787/
+ https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/extras/README 
+ a first step for template localisation ?

 + Menu reorganization in Calc (Andreas K)
    + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/56912/
    + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/6.2#Calc
+ have release notes that show what is new.
+ to check – there is significant benefit
  to outweigh muscle-memory pain ? (Michael)
+ no-one complained beforehand (Heiko)
+ idea of harmonization of menus accepted.
+ change is carefully done.

* Crash Reporting (missing Caolan)
+ 0(-2) import failure, 0(-5) export failures
+ ??? 0 coverity issues
+ Google / ossfuzz: down for a while, build fixed again
  - ?? 15 issues, 5 series
  - build fixed now again
+ ForcePoint, round 9
  - ?? 38 issues, 5 unfixed, all writer layout
  - complicated, slow progress
  
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 434 (last 7 days) (+22)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
 + 731 (last 7 days) (+94)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.5.2
 + 1042 (last 7 days) (+73)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.6.2
 + 434 (last 7 days) (+100)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.0.3
 + 1626 (last 7 days) (+481)
 + top new crash in 6.1.0.3 in GL – looks like locking

* GSoC schedule (Heiko)
   + Mentors Submit Final Evaluations: Au

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Sophie, Christian, Heiko, Xisco, Michael W, Stephan,
  Michael S, Michael M, Caolan, Eike

* Completed Action Items:
+ mail budget spreadsheet to the board (Thorsten)

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian) 
+ 6.0.6 – rc2 this week
+ only 2 patches submitted earlier today -so prlly not tag it today
  + more like tomorrow evening to tag it.  
+ 6.1.0 RC3 update
+ next week – going as scheduled.  
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ need an rc3 – Timar back soon.

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help
+ missing icons fixed
+ more bookmarks fixing
+ some progress with Help editing online (M Saunders)
   + Added code snippets to editor CodeMirror (M Saunders)
+ People joining to improve new help
   + e.g. change PNG icons to SVG icons (tdf#117551)
   + needs a change in pootle too – to avoid re-translation
+ please help review 6.1.x help patches
 + Help contents
+ Some updates bits (g. Kelemen, ohallot, Caolan, Miklos, A. Gelmini)
 + Guides
+ New chapters ready (Chapter 5 – Calc)
+ Assembling book
 + did we solve the link.txt issue ? (Heiko)
+ yes – created an XSL transform that re-maps these (Olivier H)
+ shouldn’t need to re-do this
+ we can change icons inside XHP files and drop link.txt (ohallot)
+ eager to get rid of linkstxt (Heiko)
+ duplication is bad – don’t like that (Michael)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 288(288)  (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(-10)16(-8)24(-6)  92(-5) 
 commented 60(12)160(20)   311(25)1695(-7) 
   removed  0(-1)  1(0)  1(0)   10(-1) 
  resolved  2(-2)  9(0) 19(-1) 155(-15)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 60 changes in 1 month, and 673 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 41 changes in 1 month, and 206 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 33 changes in 1 month, and 257 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 25 changes in 1 month, and 318 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 19 changes in 1 month, and 62 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 16 changes in 1 month, and 42 changes in 1 year
  muso made 15 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 13 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 12 changes in 1 month, and 93 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 11 changes in 1 month, and 47 changes in 1 
year

 + 118881 Personas not found again (seems root cause is different than 
tdf#114731)
   + 
http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/About-Persona-lightweight-themes-td4244320.html
   + https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2018/07/12/upcoming-changes-for-themes/
   + suspect that this has been blocked.  
   + are personas used at all ?
+ yes they are used (Heiko)
 + keep it & it should be usable.
   + depending on someone else’s service is not great (Michael)
+ would love to have a few pre-canned personas shipped
+ and allow new ones in extensions or somesuch.

 + 118854 Style not Visible in List of Styles if Font is White
   and Background is not White
   + previous decision is WYSIWYG – will discuss it again etc.

 + design request for a banner for 6.1 
http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Banner-for-AMA-and-6-1-release-tc4244462.html
   + needed for the 6.1 release. 

* Fuzz / Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 17(-3) import failures, 114(+110) export failures
+ exploded – but have fixed the ~110 excel export failures
 + nothing thread related there.
+ coverity
+ 0 (+0, -17)
+ down to zero for 1st time in 12 months. 
+ forcepoint round #8
+ smaller set of issues here – only 7
+ now all fixed, 0 outstanding.
+ oss-fuzz 10 (-3), 0 major, 10 minor
+ 3 fixed there, nothing major outstanding. 
   + lots of OOM stuff here – but not real
 + can’t release memory from excessive string concats
 + great way to find perf. issues here ...
  
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 535 (last 7 days) (+1)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
 + 851 (last 7 days) (-116)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.5.2
 + 1360 (last 7 days) (+68)

+ Fix for top / 4th  cherry-picked to 6-0-6
 + Thanks to Markus Mohrhard
+ https://gerrit.

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Jmux, Michael W, Sophie, Olivier, Michael M, Xisco,
  Miklos, Eike, Thorsten, Cloph, Heiko, Caolan

* Completed Action Items:
+ Submit Tirana / conference papers
 + https://libocon.org/2018/call-for-papers/ 
 + lots of last-minute submissions ... 
+ Windows tinderbox/build-bot owners to parallel install VS2017
 [ Jenkins slaves all updated & building (Christian)
   switch already enabled on master ]
+ on ESC share - “Budget2018” - add your ranking before this week’s call
 [ hopefully getting there ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian) 
+ 6.0.6 – rc2 due next week
+ 6.1.0 RC2 – next week – July 17
+ delayed a little by Xisco’s revert.
+ plan to tag after the ESC call, later today.
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + 3 calc docs - are they threading related or not ?
   + things can be improved, but looking promising.
   => done – disable after a few releases.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ new patches but no new version yet.   
+ Online
+ need an rc2 – Timar on vacation.
+ iOS – now has built-in l10n support in XCode on master for storyboards.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + included into the 6.1 release & packaged  
 + Fixing corner case of bookmark in help page (ohallot)
+ Help contents
 + Content removal from obsoleted feature (fitoshido)
 + Contents updated on signatures (Caolán)
 + Change in terminology for tree-files (ohallot)
+ Guides
 + Reviewing chapters for book assembly
 
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 291(291) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 15(12)24(14)30(13)  97(14) 
 commented 48(17)   140(50)   286(46)1702(46) 
   removed  1(1)  1(1)  1(1)   11(1)  
  resolved  4(3)  9(2) 20(3)  170(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Buovjaga made 58 changes in 1 month, and 205 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 38 changes in 1 month, and 268 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 36 changes in 1 month, and 713 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 27 changes in 1 month, and 317 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 21 changes in 1 month, and 42 changes in 1 year
  OfficeUser made 18 changes in 1 month, and 18 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 94 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 11 changes in 1 month, and 99 changes in 1 year
  Harald Koester made 8 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 8 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year
+ just returned from vacation.
+ Some discussion on how close we want to be on Excel (tdf#117647)
+ make the top 10 elements – for conditional formatting.
+ is this a UI thing ? (Michael)
  + any file-format, functional difference seems gratuitous.
  + just UI (Heiko)

+ is the colibre icon-set finished ? (Olivier)
+ Andreas says – finished a month ago (Heiko)
+ request asking for screenshots noted.
+ help pages use icons (Olivier)
+ using Colibre as the icons.
+ do help pages use links.txt ? (Michael)
+ copy the full colibre inside the help package
+ when I did the analysis it was complete (Michael)
+ anything missing is prolly a S/W problem.
+ calm down the shuffling for now (Thorsten)
+ UI freeze reminder for 6-1 (Heiko)
+ everyone knows this – lets keep the freeze cf. July 8th.

* Fuzz / Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 20(-24) import failure, 4(+1) export failures 
+ found a few SVG crashers from new SVG bits.
+ crash since Noel’s work of std::unique_ptr of SvStream
 + before that - was a leak wrt. Embedded spreadsheets.
 + going to need a chunk of energy to fix. 
+ coverity
+ 17(+12, -6)
+ expect all to be fixed from this report.
+ next due-in during the day – should get back to pre-vacation 
+ forcepoint round #8
+ smaller set of issues here – only 7
+ only 3 / 4 outstanding. 
+ oss-fuzz (13 outstanding, 13 minor)
+ broke during Caolans’ vacation
+ reasonably small.
  
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 534 (last 7 days) (45)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
 + 967 (last 7 days) (-160)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.5.2
 + 1232 (last 7 days) (+137)

 + Update

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Michael W, Michael M, Olivier, Michael S, Kendy, Thorsten,

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke Jmux; https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117936 
(Xisco)
+ Fixed in 
+ fad862e290d727fc9fefe206f6e4b807482c4175
+ b22244a2eb8d558499d2ffdb2cca5ddb44f3
+ ca4e75d694a5fb41a1c800146319aa6ba34d8bab
+ Thanks to Jan-Marek   
+ Run meeting on TDF Jitsi http://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/esc 
(Christian)
+ Jitsi – URL not case sensitive luckily.

* Pending Action Items:
+ Submit Tirana / conference papers:
 + https://libocon.org/2018/call-for-papers/ 
 + extended deadline is July 15th – this Sunday [!]
+ Windows tinderbox/build-bot owners to parallel install VS2017
+ on ESC share - “Budget2018” - add your ranking before this week’s call [!]
 + Cudos to Eike, Olivier, Bubli, Stephan, Michael W, Noel, Xisco, 
Miklos
 + hard stares at others … still – have some ranking
 + push out to next Thursday call (better attended)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ [ Christian sady missing … ]
+ 6.0.6 – rc1 due this week (Jul 10)
+ 6.1.0 RC2 – next week – July 17
+ now commits to 6-1 branch need review  
  + also string freeze
 + also includes html help switch for distro branches
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + *DONE*, just bugfixing
 + Eike: question to disable precautiously?
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ simplifying iOS build re translations

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New help in RC1
 + Windows installation bug found, bug fixed. (many thanks to mst)
 + enhancement in page UI CSS + JS (buovjaga, fitoshido)
 + interesting new features.
 + latest 6.1 snapshot uploaded for online help
+ Help contents
 + Corrections (fitoshido, ohallot)
 + also feedback from the translators
+ Guides,
 + assembling book with available revised chapters
+ hit some bugs with master documents
+ one already fixed thanks to mst
 + revisions stalled again

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 278(278) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  3(2)10(3)  17(1)   83(3)  
 commented 31(10)   90(21)240(-18)   1656(-3) 
   removed  0(0) 0(0)   0(0)   10(0)  
  resolved  1(0) 7(1)  17(-4) 171(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 38 changes in 1 month, and 723 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 28 changes in 1 month, and 252 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 24 changes in 1 month, and 171 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 18 changes in 1 month, and 38 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 11 changes in 1 month, and 326 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 34 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 7 changes in 1 month, and 95 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 6 changes in 1 month, and 49 changes in 1 year

+ personal note: on vacation for the next two weeks

* Fuzz / Crash Testing (Caolan on vacation)
+ 44(-16) import failure, 3(+0) export failures 
+ new numbers from last friday
+ 3 export crashers
+ all writer failures.
+ 45 import crashers
+ 3 writer, rest spreadsheets.
+ expect all calc crashes fixed (Michael M)
+ crash testing script now running normally again (Michael S)
+ 1st thing did pull dev-tools repo from an invalid URL.
+ was in state of 2015 on this server.
+ new stuff broke things for a while then fixed it.
+ now working again.
+ validation now connected into here.
+ same custom schema as used in unit-tests …
+ quite a few issues reported.
+ coverity
+ ??
+ forcepoint ??
+ oss-fuzz ?? (?? outstanding, ?? minor)
  
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 489 (last 7 days) (0)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
 + 1127 (last 7 days) (-327)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.5.2
 + 1095 (last 7 days) (+205)

 + Updater was enabled, looks better than for previous version
 + Top 2 and Top 4 crashes in 6.0.5.2 fixed for 6.0.6
* Budget ranking (Thorsten)
   + on ESC share - “Budget2018” - add your ranking.
   + please rank stuff … before next week – but ~no-one here ...

* GSoC schedule (Kendy)
   + Coding: May 14 - August 6
   + please tell students to send a week

[libreoffice-projects] Minutes of ESC call 2017-07-05

[Thorsten Behrens]

* Present:
  + Thorsten, Miklos, Heiko, Michael W, Sophie, Cloph, Xisco, Stephan,
Eike, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:
+ enable new help for tinderboxes (Christian) → in distro-config
+ disable HSQLDB auto-migration for now except for experimental (Tamas B)
+ provide distro name for MIMO branch (Jean-Sebastien)

* Pending Action Items:
+ on ESC share - “Budget2018” - add your ranking before this week’s call [!]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.6 – rc1 due next week (Jul 10)
+ 6.1.0 RC1
+ tagged on Wednesday,
  builds are on pre-releases and now being synced to mirrors
+ 6.1.0 RC2 with libreoffice-6-1-0 branch week after the next
  marks hard code freeze  (Jul 17)
+ from now on, commits to 6-1 branch need one mandatory review
+ also string freeze
+ also includes html help switch for distro branches
+ ATTENTION for distro branch maintainers – there was a prob
  with gerrit, submodule changes might not have created
  the correct auto-commit on core
  + this was a problem since last weekend, fixed now
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + *DONE*, just bugfixing from now on
   + Eike: question to disable precautiously?
   + Miklos: if needed can be done at the last moment
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
   + merged and done, included in beta 2 → remove here
+ Help format (Stephan/Olivier)
   + done and working
   + small gbuild make pattern rule prob on Mac, fixed now
AI + Olivier will release-note it
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ simplifying iOS build re translations

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New help
+ Testing in bug hunting session tomorrow (installs)
+ Small corrections in XSLT filter
+ tweaks in CSS by fitoshido – people start contributing
+ Help contents
+ cosmetic refactor by SophiaS
+ Contents for [NatNum12] by Lazlo Nemetz
+ Contents fixes (ohallot, fitoshido)
+ Guides
+ Assembling & revising GS 6.0
+ Extras
+ some tweaks in UI dialog after help review.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 281(281) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  1(-4) 7(-1) 16(-6)  80(-4) 
 commented 21(-17)   69(1) 258(-60)   1659(-30)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   0(0)   10(0)  
  resolved  1(-2) 6(0)  21(-3) 170(-2) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 31 changes in 1 month, and 728 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 24 changes in 1 month, and 171 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 12 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 34 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 8 changes in 1 month, and 322 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 7 changes in 1 month, and 99 changes in 1 year
  *UNKNOWN* made 7 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 year
  Raal made 6 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 6 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 5 changes in 1 month, and 248 changes in 1 year 
+ cont’d the discussion around CTL/CJK tdf#104318
  + Suggestion is to remove the binding to languages completely,
which has bearing on default style
  + rethink default styles completely
  + Franklin and Khaled are involved in the thinking

+ positive feedback tdf#118516
  “And, I should have added my personal thanks and on behalf of the
   whole user base (if I may be so bold) to the whole LO team for
   the incredible work being done.”
+ German magazine compared LibreOffice vs. Softmaker, highlighting the
  Notebookbar/Ribbon interface
  + 
https://www.heise.de/ct/ausgabe/2018-14-LibreOffice-6-0-gegen-SoftMaker-Office-2018-fuer-Linux-4084433.html
  + discussion the German ML pointing out a few badly investigated
aspects
+ personal note: Heiko on vacation for the next two weeks

* Fuzz / Crash Testing (Caolan on vacation)
+ 60(-16) import failure, 3(+1) export failures
+ coverity
+ ??
+ forcepoint ??
+ oss-fuzz ?? (?? outstanding, ?? minor)
+ ODF validation has landed, validation errors will now show up in
  crashtesting logs – fixing howto on the dev list

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ Update notification was enabled, incoming reports start to look
  better than for previous version

+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
 + 489 (last 7 days) (-26)

 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Olivier, Michael W, Michael M, Heiko, Christian, Kendy,
  Xisco, Caolan, Stephan, Eike, Michael S, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ disable HSQLDB auto-migration for now except for experimental (Tamas B)
   [ ongoing ]
+ Budget ranking by next week (All)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ no releases planned this week.
+ 6.0.5 – RC2 status
+ tagged this week; all builds except Linux-32 on pre-release server
   + re-building Linux-32
   + expect to announce it as final tomorrow
   + very few patches vs. rc1.
+ 6.1.0 beta 2 status
+ released it on Sunday.
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Michael)
   + pleased with progress, few issues open
   + recursion issues nailed, cleaned-up.
   + suggest leaving it on for the .0 release
  + hesitant yes (Eike)   
   + crash-testing done (Caolan)
  + before “extra threading” 2-3 moved to 37 issues
  + will continue to work on that (Michael)
 + easy to turn off in an RC if necessary.
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
   + nothing happened last week,
   + thorsten merged stuff to 6.1 – in disabled state 
  + easy to play with environment variable.  
   + not on as experimental feature – doesn’t work well enough yet.
   + got a new crash (Xisco)
  + Michael to poke soon.  
+ Help format (Stephan/Olivier)
   + with extension, dialog, we load old-style help viewer
 for all extensions installed
   + extension help still not integrated well.
   + not added into the hierarchy or integrated into indexes.
   + fixes very old bug wrt. on-line help usage too.
   + slightly less featureful, but somewhat working. 
   + extended tooltips don’t work with the new help
  + not going to work on that from now (Stephan)
   + discussion to move tooltips to a field in the dialogs (Olivier)
  + placeholder in dialog widgets for tooltips.
  + Tomaz V has some scripts that might help.
   + what should we do ?
  + go ahead & fix things when we get time (Olivier)
 + lots of advantages from new help
 + main issue is to disconnect from the old help
   => lets go with it and hope for resource to fix tooltips
AI:   + enable new help for tinderboxes (Christian)
+ Get-involved info-bar & Help/About menu (Kendy)
   + merged.
+ Making the Notebookbar non-experimental (Heiko)
   + will not be ready – needs communicating   
   => will not happen in 6.1
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + tweaks in CSS (fitoshido, buovjaga)
   + Fixes in some XML/XSLT rendering (ohallot)

+ Help pages contents
   + some cleanups, fix typos, fix contents (SophiaS, A Gelmini, ohallot)
   + New pages on Basic Internal Libraries (ohallot)
   + undocumented since OO.o
   + Handy macros for the Basic programmer
   + Question raised: Are these libs supported ?
   + if present & used for decades sounds sensible (Michael)

 + Guides: More reviews arriving for publication
   + 60% review done
   + Working on migrating ODFAuthors PLONE to TDF’s NC+LOOL.   

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 290(290) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(5) 5(3)  21(1)   87(-1) 
 commented 23(10)   48(2) 315(-26)   1694(-43)
   removed  0(0) 0(0)   1(-1)  10(-1) 
  resolved  1(0) 4(0)  24(-1) 172(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 19 changes in 1 month, and 741 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 17 changes in 1 month, and 36 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 300 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 10 changes in 1 month, and 321 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 8 changes in 1 month, and 129 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 7 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 6 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Raal made 6 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 4 changes in 1 month, and 158 changes in 1 year
  eisa01 made 4 changes in 1 month, and 7 changes in 1 year

   + Drop IME (File > View > Input Method Status and underlying code)
   + 
http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/RFC-to-remove-quot-Input-Method-Status-quot-me

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Miklos, Sophie, Christian, Michael S, Michael M, Eike, Lionel,
  Heiko, Olivier, Caolan, Stephan, Thorsten, Xisco, Tamas B

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ no releases planned this week.
+ 6.0.5 – RC2
+ early next week
+ 6.1.0 beta 2 next week …
+ was optional, but worth having near end of week.
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + ongoing – more fixes this week.
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
   + doesn’t quite work yet, but want to get it into master soon
  + get it in tomorrow, and continue later to finish it
  + expect another couple of weeks until it can be enabled
in experimental mode. 
   + desirable to get it into 6.1 (Thorsten)
  + have kill-switch to turn it off
   + lets get it into master & decide next week wrt. 6.1 
+ Help format (Stephan)
   + various make file dependency fixes
+ Get-involved info-bar & Help/About menu (Kendy)
   + plan to get it before next ESC.  
+ flat MIME icons (Andreas K)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117456
   + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/54990/
   + documentation team informed
+ Renewed the Windows certificate for another year (watch out QA).
   + everything working nicely. 
+ Remotes
+ iOS remote pending Apple’s approval.
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ up-loaded a beta1

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Fixes in Makefiles for media (thanks to Stephan Bergman)
+ Tweaks in UI CSS (Adolfo Barrientos)
+ Fix  in XSLT
+ Help contents
+ New Pages for MAXIFS, MINIFS, (ohallot)
+ refactoring of ‘IFS functions (ohallot)
+ reduces workload for translation
+ files cleanups and visual enhancements (S Schröder)
+ Fixes and typos (Adolfo, ohallot)
+ Master vs 6.1: backport help pages?, New Help?
+ no approval needed yet (Michael)
+ Guides and Books
+ Further reviews on GS 6.0 chapters by Jean Weber
+ Assembling book on going (ohallot)
+ spent some days in São Paulo with the local team 

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 309(309) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  2(1) 3(-4) 25(-8)  99(-4) 
 commented 10(2)56(-54)   409(-52)   1812(-78)
   removed  0(0) 0(0)   2(0)   11(0)  
  resolved  1(-1)5(0)  29(-2) 177(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 28 changes in 1 month, and 795 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 13 changes in 1 month, and 333 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 12 changes in 1 month, and 381 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 9 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 8 changes in 1 month, and 25 changes in 1 year
  Ilhan Yesil made 7 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 7 changes in 1 month, and 59 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 5 changes in 1 month, and 265 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 4 changes in 1 month, and 153 changes in 1 year
  A.Holtsmark made 4 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
  + Guideline for floating widgets
+ should clearly identified as detachable, stay on top, 
  close on escape, look like a tool-window
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Selection#Appearance

  + Keyboard shortcut to move cols/rows in Calc
+ Proposal via mode switch; enable a different / movement mode (?)
+ surely WYSIWYG editors try to avoid modes ? (Michael)

  + Mojave dark mode request (tdf#118017)

* Fuzz / Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 10(+4) import failures, 9(+6) export failures
+ 2 exports – mst layout asserts.
+ expect related to Bitmap / threading changes.
+ coverity
+ 3 (+0, -13)
+ forcepoint round 7.
+ 11 docs → 4 root issues.
+ 1 outstanding
   + a hang – intractable layout loop
+ oss-fuzz ?? (15 outstanding, 12 minor, lots of font cache unreproducibles)
+ lots of irreproducible ones.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.6.2 
  + 547 (last 7 days) (-177)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.7.2
  + 489 (last 7 days) (+149)

+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.3.2
  + 993(last 7 days) (-174)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.4.2
  + 1793 (last 7 days) (+565)

+ Top 1 crash: MultiSalLayout::AdjustLayout(ImplLayoutArgs &)

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Michael M, Lionel, Sophie, Heiko, Eike, Caolan, Olivier,
Stephan, Michael W, Miklos, Sophie, Kendy, Christian, Kendy

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke people who didn’t fill out the evening (Thorsten)
+ fill out (both) polls:
+ run dev-certification script again (Kendy)
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)
[ on the ESC share ... ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.5 – RC1 – next week.
+ 6.1.0 beta 1 – Feature Freeze May 24th 
+ not tagged yet - planned after the call. 
+ looks ok, some Jenkins hiccups
+ tinderboxes mended 
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + ongoing - lots of fixes this week.
   + hope to run crash-testing again … some pending patches.
   + clearly getting closer
   + updated #’s – left threading enabled (Caolan)
   + run – before the last fix from Dennis.
   + expect to go down tomorrow, day after.
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
+ KDE5 work (Bubli/Thorsten)
+ Help format (Stephan)
   + looking better this week
   + one outstanding issue with duplicated files
+ Renewed the Windows certificate for another year (watch out QA).
+ Remotes
+ iOS remote pending Apple’s approval.
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ waiting for -6-1 branch.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Packaging patches from Stephan
 + thanks ! will test.
 + addresses moving files in media/ sub-folder to lang-packs 
(Stephan)
 + unclear how to address extensions.
 + Fix media path issues for XSLT (ohallot)
 + avoiding glitches in the transformation
+ Helpcontent2
 + New pages on digital signature line (ohallot)
 + Many fixes in help pages (SophiaS, A Gelmini, ohallot)
+ Guides:
 + This week is Sprint Review Week for “Getting Started 6.0”
 + Effort to review chapters and finish work.

* New meeting time:
+ evening: https://doodle.com/poll/wdbvtt8rgyn8z5bg
 + 11 filled it out.
+ daytime: https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
 + 22 filled it out.

+ Proposal do it always on Wed (Michael)
 + not a fan of Wed’s (Eike)
 + evening – people far less enthusiastic (Michael)
 + expectation is that few people will attend ? (Miklos)

+ Proposal try a new scheme for a month alternating:
 + Wednesdays 6-7 pm Paris/Berlin/Prague [ 18 people ]
 + Thursday, current time slot (4 pm Paris/Berlin/Prague)
AI: + send out some appointments for next month (Michael)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 323(323) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  3(2) 14(-1) 38(-2) 108(-4) 
 commented 40(14)   177(-17)   512(-33)   1954(-50)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   2(0)   11(0)  
  resolved  1(1)  6(-1) 30(-2) 180(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 63 changes in 1 month, and 828 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 291 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 42 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 19 changes in 1 month, and 155 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 16 changes in 1 month, and 339 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 15 changes in 1 month, and 140 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 15 changes in 1 month, and 401 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 13 changes in 1 month, and 75 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 13 changes in 1 month, and 195 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year

+ changed the UX design team meeting time to be later for US
   + not many people turned up.

+ Karasa Jaga icon theme added to core
   + said to be complete – he counted SVGs
   + a LGPLv3 licensed theme, and SVG not yet in the core
  + some SVGs have compressed bitmaps in them.
   + positive feedback on the look.
 
+ Support columns in RTF ?
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117734
   + discussed on Telegram, upset at lack of support.
   + a non-standard update.
   + completely out of scope asking for random fixes here (Michael)
   + seems like a normal filter bug (Miklos)
  + nothing special here.

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 17 import failure, 3 export failures
   + 2 exports – mst layout asserts.
   + fast-parser fix integrated.
   + calc threading enabled in these runs
  + hope for some more fixes in the next run.
  + seems to 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Stephan, Sophie, Miklos, Thorsten, Kendy, Michael S, Eike,
  Olivier, Michael M, Heiko (late)

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ fill out (both) polls:
+ evening: https://doodle.com/poll/wdbvtt8rgyn8z5bg
+ daytime: https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
+ run dev-certification script again (Kendy)
[ forgot to run it
  should poke Italo wrt. Renewing ? (Thorsten)
 + a number of expired ones
 + normally Italo pokes us here (Kendy)
+ if you’re aware please poke us ]
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)
[ not got to it yet ] 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 released earlier today 
+ 6.0.5 – RC1
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – Feature Freeze May 24th
+ beta1 this week, for tag ~next week depending on state of master
   + currently mac failures
   + libreoffice-6-0 branch will be created, but no review mandatory
 while still in beta phase – remember to cherry-pick bugfixes 
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
   + lots of fixes this week.
+ writer – red-lining re-factoring (Michael S)
   + to stop it moving things in the document model.
   + so layout & text formatting doesn’t show deleted stuff
   + how long more will it take.
   + have a contingency plan to use existing way of doing it
   + mostly new extra code.
   + changes to existing code should be bisectable.
   + sounds like a great win (Michael M)
   + love to have it in (Thorsten)
   + does it make it easier for Outline view ? (Michael M)
   + working to make completely deleted frames invisible (Michael S)
   + would help with that too …
   + should help de-bong undo/redo/redline mess (Miklos)
   + avoids hide-red-line mess (Michael S)
+ KDE5 work from Bubli (Thorsten)
   + TDF builds – have no effect on release bits …
   + some changes to font subsystem not sure if a good idea to merge
   + perhaps depending on distro interest –
 add some bits to KDE5 sal subsystem.
   + unclear – sitting on the fence.
   + windows GL font-regression there ? (Michael)
   + nice to have it in one place to fix (Thorsten)
   + Bubli’s call (Thorsten)
+ Help format ? (Stephan)
   + old or new ?
   + some trouble wrt. getting media files packaged (Olivier)
   + re-working how image files go into the help.
   + need more time.
   + two things in mind (Stephan)
  + media/localization
  + extensions help – currently not working.
  + having no media not a blocker (Kendy)
  + didn’t have that before – videos can come later.
  + videos in un-localized bundle increasing its size (Stephan)
  + did some work to get help help into pkgs (Stephan)
  + media folder not differentiated per language.
  + wiki page with structure of the folder (Olivier)
  
+https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/NewHelpMedia
  + how large are the per-language blobs ? (Stephan)
  + if big should go into localized packages.
  + can try to help out (Stephan)
  + extension pieces – how to fix that (Stephan)
  + when we have online help – it never showed extension (Olivier)
  + if only have HTML help loose them completely – not good 
(Stephan)
  + didn’t remove the help-viewer code (Kendy)
  + we can fallback in extremis to old-help for extensions eg.
+ Remotes
+ got logo image source & cleanup fixes from Siqi
+ now a menu-bar rendering issue – orange shade etc.
+ Android viewer
+ endless recursion bug
+ number-text feature causing grief: disabled
+ what happened to the Android tinderbox ? (Miklos)
  + prolly got stuck and no-one noticed (Christian) 
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Tweaks for the UI (fitoshido, buovjaga)
+ wiki page for community contribution of collateral files
+ Help contents
+ Several fixes by translators
+ HIDs fixed by Caolan
+ New pages on digital signature + Signature Line (ohallot)
+ Guides:
 + Sprint Review Week next week to boost revision of
   Getting Started (GS) 6.0 (ohallot,  D. Barton and Drew Jensen)
 + almost there – but need a final review push here.

* New meeting time:
+ evening: https://doodle.com/poll/wdbvtt8rgyn8z5bg
 + 11 filled it out.
+ daytime: https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
 + 22 filled it out.
+ People hav

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Michael W, Caolan, Michael M, Mike K, Miklos, Kendy,
  Christian, Heiko (late)

* Completed Action Items:
+ discuss help / video options with the l10n teams for a decision (Olivier)
  [ sent the message, and got a couple of replies 
not completely conclusive – but some directions to take.
Perhaps too early for videos in 6.1 (?)
Is there no workaround ? (Michael)
  + would like new features video + captions (Olivier)
 + would like an overview of each module
 + but can’t give too much work to Mike ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ circulate an evenings poll (Thorsten)
  + to complement https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
+ Fill out new doodle poll (everyone)
+ run dev-certification script again (Kendy)
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 – RC2 status
+ tagged yesterday & builds being up-loaded
+ 6.0.4 – RC2 status
+ released as final already
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – Feature Freeze May 24th
+ 6.1 late features
+ calc threading default / fixing (Miklos)
+ Dennis & Lubos looking at Caolan’s list
+ halved the count there, and have more fixes.
+ hope to fix these & re-enable that.
+ others – after holiday break ...
+ Remotes
+ waiting for Siqi to update artwork.
+ Online
+ did a 6.0.3 src release

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Videos in help: Message sent to list, few responses so far cf. above
  + New help
+ Added page UI to Pootle frameworks for l10n (ohallot)
+ Tweaks in CSS (fitoshido)
+ Colibre is now the default icon set (Rene Engelhard)
+ some icons missing though
+ some pages show default-alt-text not icons – in help navigator
+ Working on a process for localization of example files
+ Online editor: pending.
   + what needs building here ? (Kendy)
  + need it installed locally so can tweak it (Olivier)
   + do we have a short-list ? (Kendy)
  + seems tinymce is the most popular (Olivier)
  + also ckeditor
+ Help pages
+ fixes by G. Kelemen, Sophia S., S. Horacek, fitoshido, A 
Gelmini
+ Added screenshots for Math modules (ohallot, bubli)
+ bug triaging
+ Guides
Week 5/21 5/27 will be the Review Sprint Week for final 
revision of
   Getting started 6. book.


* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 325(325) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(3) 19(2) 41(5)  116(3)  
 commented 56(-5)   217(2)565(23)2053(37) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  2(0)   11(0)  
  resolved  2(-1) 8(-6)34(-1) 181(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 84 changes in 1 month, and 851 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 38 changes in 1 month, and 40 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 33 changes in 1 month, and 427 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 33 changes in 1 month, and 292 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 29 changes in 1 month, and 150 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 27 changes in 1 month, and 345 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 19 changes in 1 month, and 158 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 15 changes in 1 month, and 34 changes in 1 
year
  kompilainenn made 10 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
  Dr. Matthias Weisser made 9 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 
year

  + Colibre finally merged
 + still filling out the last icons …
 + strange symphony folder – 3D icons
 + looking good to me too (Michael)
   
 + Gradients 
   + introduced new gradients with the std. Colors
   + hope they are nicer & more usable – happy to get feedback too.

 + Draw styles
   + hope to update these in the next two weeks for 6.1

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 44(+42) import failure, 4(+3) export failures
   + turns out there is another crash related to
 the last forcepoint issue
   + now fixed; expect to be down to a handful.
   + temporary calc threading run - 114 / 3
   + two assertions from FastParser still left
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52720/ 
   + and some mst layout issue asserts.
+ coverity
+ 18 (+11, -8)
+ a few more – mostly fixed.
+ forcepoint round 6, complete.
+ will get back to them.
+ oss-fuzz (17 outstanding, 14 minor)
+ fixed some bits, found some more.
+ fuzz

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Michael W, Olivier, Sophie, Michael M, Caolan, Heiko,
  Thorsten, Cloph, Xisco, Miklos, Christian, Lionel, Michael S, Kendy,
  Eike (>16:20)

* Completed Action Items:
+ create & circulate new ESC time poll & CC dev list (Heiko)
  => https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
  [ what is the answer ? - hard to know, Thorsten didn’t fill it out.
Rene has time in the morning / lunchtime (Heiko)
+ no Monday / Friday ? (Michael)
   + typically used by other meetings,travel (Heiko)
  + can run another poll of course.
   + would like to include people who can’t make it (Thorsten)
  + 18:00 Berlin time might be good.
+ just saw the ‘want it later than 4pm’ option (Thorsten)
+ lets re-run – what periods ? (Michael)
   + evening not ideal for East Asia / India (Thorsten)
   + concern with early morning (Olivier, Lionel)
   + 6am or 6pm to avoid work (Michael)
   => propose do a separate evening poll: 
AI:   6pm – 10pm Berlin time Mon→Fri (Thorsten) ]
+ come up with a plan for help / video l10n, translation (Olivier)
+ in discussion with l10n team
[ listening to the l10n discussion – will now interact with them]

* Pending Action Items:
+ Fill out new doodle poll (everyone)
+ run dev-certification script again (Kendy)
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 – RC2 status
   + delayed, not tagged yet.
   + patches submitted to -5-4 but not -5-4-7
+ important to get a chance to review those.   
+ 6.0.4 – RC2 status
   + planned for this week
   + all patches are now in.
   + can tag after the ESC call.
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – Feature Freeze May 24th
+ Remotes
   + iOS built with xcode8 – but wrong ver for iOS 11
   + downloaded xcode9  
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Help contents:
+ help pages for PIVOT CHARTS (ohallot)
+ Improvements on EPUB help (ohallot)
+ fixes, fixes, fixes… (fitoshido, ohallot, Sophia_s, A. 
Gelmini)
+ New Help
+ New help is packageable (sberg)
+ CSS enhancements to prettify (fitoshido)
  + investigating on-line editors
+ no conclusion yet.

+ Proposal for handling multimedia.

Objective of Multimedia:
• Will NOT replace textual description of LO resource or feature.
• Be a rich support for textual contents
• Introduce examples, use cases or tutorials on feature / resource.
• Indirectly: motivate communities to produce contents and contribute.

Issue: 
• Multimedia contents is asked to be localized on release,
  for some languages.

   Concerns:
   • Not every community has resource for localization or
 local contents production to match release deadlines.
   • Localized captions not even accepted in some languages.

   Further information on New Help
   • New help is now build-able and package-able
 (thanks to Stephan Bergman and David Tardon)
   • New Help build distinct when ONLINE or OFFLINE
  ◦ Offline is package-able.
   • OFFLINE help already has no multimedia ( tag is not rendered)
   • ONLINE help has multimedia (master).
 ◦ https://help.libreoffice.org/6.1/en-US/text/scalc/main.html

   Options:
   1. Remove all multimedia from Help either online and offline: 
  1. Problem vanish.
   2. Remove all multimedia from offline Help.
  => Done already
   3. Implement language based multimedia enabler in XSLT / makefile
  1. --without-help-multimedia=fr
  2. if $lang = “fr” then multimedia > /dev/null
   4. Have multimedia enabled and localize 
  1. Change href= to localized contents
  2. set width=”0” and height=”0” if no localized contents.

 + was this built in discussion with l10n team ? (Michael)
 + not presented the options to them (Olivier)
+ would like to have ESC input

 + l10n team are waiting for his proposals (Sophie)
 + can we add – when video scripts are made available.
 + where are these published before embedding ?
 + expect each community to decide if they want it ? (Olivier)

 + a 5th option ? Different flavours of help  with & without ? (Heiko)
 + off-line help has no MM enabled already (Olivier)
+ the on-line site can have this. 

 => discuss this with the l10n teams for a decision.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
247(247) (topicUI) bugs open, 319(319) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  4(-3)17(0) 36(-2) 113(1)  
 co

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Michael W, Caolan, Heiko, Miklos, Olivier, Michael M, Lionel,
  Bubli, Kendy, Sophie, Xisco, Eike, Christian

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ create & circulate new ESC time poll & CC dev list (Heiko)
  => https://doodle.com/poll/567nszb5tfzfxue4
+ turn budget ideas into a spreadsheet for ranking (Thorsten)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 RC2
   + tag planned this week too
   + but focused on 6.1 for testers first.
+ 6.0.4 – RC2 status
   + plan this next week
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – April 24th… Feature Freeze May 24th
   + being built – a problem with the 32bit Linux build
   + problem with Junit tests failing
   + other platforms built and being up-loaded
   + testers will have something to play with.  
+ Remotes
   + iOS update didn’t happen yet.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New help: 
+ Several tweaks for handling tables (Adolfo, buovjaga, ohallot)
+ Contribution to packaging offline help (TBA, sberg)
+ online XHP editor: evaluating options for rich text editors
+ Helpcontent2
+ many help pages fixes (Sophia_S, Adolfo, ohallot, cloph, 
jpledure)
+ Guides:
+ resuming activities 
+ GS 06 Review week to be announced for May.
+ contributions from Drew Jensen.
+ Other: Wiki page for Firebird migration:
+ 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/FirebirdMigration
  thanks to RobertG

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 316(316) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(5) 17(5) 38(1)  112(3)  
 commented 61(36)   209(8)535(14)2017(6)  
   removed  0(0)  0(-2) 2(0)   12(-2) 
  resolved  2(-2)12(-4)35(-3) 178(-5) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 78 changes in 1 month, and 823 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 49 changes in 1 month, and 231 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 39 changes in 1 month, and 426 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 32 changes in 1 month, and 341 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 23 changes in 1 month, and 139 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 21 changes in 1 month, and 34 changes in 1 
year
  Foote, V Stuart made 17 changes in 1 month, and 267 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 16 changes in 1 month, and 49 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 10 changes in 1 month, and 146 changes in 1 year
  Dr. Matthias Weisser made 9 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 
year

   + Terminology in file format dropdown
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108894
 + old: “Microsoft Word 2007-2013 XML”
 + suggested: "Word 2007-2016 (*.docx)" (without Microsoft)
 + check if "Office Open XML Text (docx)" is an extra filter
+ yes, it is a different filter (Miklos)
   + strictness is orthogonal
   + specification vs. reality.
   + suggest hiding the Office Open XML Text (Michael, Miklos)
 + classic bike-shed; removing Microsoft.  

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 2(-26) import failure, 4(+1) export failures
   + two assertions from FastParser still left
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52720/ 
+ coverity
+ 5 (-19, +2)
+ forcepoint round 6, still not complete.
+ one nasty layout one remaining
+ oss-fuzz
   + builds were not working properly
   + mergelib for andoid style now mended
   + waiting to see new issues.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2 
  + 747 (last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1 
  + 828 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.6.2 
  + 662(last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.1.1 
  + 563 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.2.1 
  + 1353 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.3.2
  + 1433 (last 7 days) (up)

+ similar to last week; top crash is OpenGL related.
  + Miklos fixed the top issue.
  + would be good to have it in 6.0.4
  + happy but need it in -6-0 first (Miklos)

+ Review needed:
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53434/
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53329/

* ESC proto-agenda (Michael)
   + send it to the public / dev-list instead of private CC
   + should get more engagement & interest there.
   + 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Xisco, Michael W, Heiko, Eike, Olivier, Caolan, Miklos, Stephan,
  Michael M, Christian, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ reach out to GSOC mentors to encourage button clicking (Heiko)

* Pending Action Items:
+ create & circulate new ESC time poll (Thorsten) 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 RC2
   + next week tag is planned, no obvious problems.
+ 6.0.4 – RC1 status
   + tagged on Tuesday, builds already on the website
   + didn’t review all the changes on the 6.0 branch
   + please cherry-pick to 6-0-4 branch if urgent.
   + RC2 in ~2 weeks.  
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – April 24th… Feature Freeze May 24th
   + next week.
+ Android
   + will replace iOS remote soon – needs rebuild for iOS11
+ Online
   + did a release.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Help pages
+ Several fixes, cleanup, typos, bookmarks + bug-triag
  thanks to ohallot, S Schröder, D. Roczek, S. Horacek
+ New Help
+ Fix for  logic in XSLT (ohallot, sberg)
+ Guides
Stalled
+ Other relevant info
+ Drew Jensen back to write a wiki page for HSQLDB → Firebird 
migration
+ 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/FirebirdMigration
+ 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Fotiv_eKKUVlbPCcqfNO54xWPYnL55DO5jnuNUqpdt0/edit#gid=1080472171

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 317(317) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  2(-6) 12(-4) 37(-4) 109(-8) 
 commented 25(-45)   201(-18)   521(-14)   2011(-29)
   removed  0(-1)  2(-1)  2(-1)  14(-2) 
  resolved  4(-2) 16(-2) 38(0)  183(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 118 changes in 1 month, and 843 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 38 changes in 1 month, and 439 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 30 changes in 1 month, and 221 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 24 changes in 1 month, and 328 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 20 changes in 1 month, and 133 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 19 changes in 1 month, and 283 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 16 changes in 1 month, and 49 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 16 changes in 1 month, and 31 changes in 1 
year
  Henschel, Regina made 15 changes in 1 month, and 127 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 11 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
 
+ customization of MOD3 possible on macOS; symbol correctly assigned 
and backported to 6.0
  + in the past mod3 and mod2 merged
  + clear formatting, ctrl-M on OS/X looked like alt-m
  + wasn’t possible to configure, and visualized wrong; now fixed.

+ working on Notebookbars; guideline for QA/design added
  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/ToolBar
  + explaining what it means, if users want new tabs – do we accept ?
 + added guidelines to the wiki.
  
+ seeking a mentor for introducing chart styles tdf#62925
  + volunteer with expertise in C++, FSFE Argentina
  + plan is to have provide a dialog/workflow to apply all
style properties to newly created and existing charts,
ideally in Calc and Writer
  + lots of old tickets asking for this sort of thing.
  + sounds good, suggested to find a mentor.
  + chart2 code is not entirely obvious (Michael)
 + best to ask questions on IRC.

+ nested character styles tdf#115311
  + multi-selection in char style list; introduced ideally together with
merging paragraph and char style into one deck plus a style inspector
that shows priority of nested styles
  + concept – char style list should have a multi-selection

+ elementary icon theme becomes a burden so we might change
  the gnome default again towards Breeze then
  + want to present the Notebookbar in a clean way
  + default set of icons shown should be consistent.
  + Unity + GNOME(?) had Tango in the past now Elementary -> Breeze

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 28(+0) import failure, 3(+0) export failures
   + have results underway
   + assertion from FastParser expected to be there still
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52720/ 
+ 5 (-19, +2) coverity issues
   + spiked in the week, but down again. 
+ forcepoint round 6, still not complete.
   + 1 fixed this week, 1 left
+ oss-fuzz
   + all unreproducible autoclosed by oss-fuzz, only
 reproducible to be logged from now on apparently
   + was majority of our stuff up-stream
   + 7-8 left open, mostly OOM etc.
+ Someone filed 2 CVEs from thi

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Christian, Eike, Michael S, Lionel, Stephan, Xisco, Olivier, Caolan,
  Miklos, Heiko, Sophie, Michael W, Michael M, Kendy

* Completed Action Items:
+ come up with slot count (Heiko, Markus, Thorsten)

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 RC1 – status
   + tagged yesterday, Windows builds up-loaded
+ 6.0.4 – RC1 – due to tag next week.
+ 6.1.0 alpha1 – April 24th… Feature Freeze May 24th
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + wiki page for direct gerrit edition
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GerritEditing
   + useful for fixing typos and linguistic of help pages.
   + many patches from Hamburg Hackfest from SophiaS & co.
   + Patch to allow new Help to be installed as UNO package (extension)
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52700/3 
  + 
https://olivierhallot.blogspot.com.br/2018/04/new-libreoffice-help-is-also-uno.html
   + review & submission of corrections to help-pages on-going   
   + poor presence in guides meetings.

* Timing – Thorsten requested:
+ new doodle poll; can we find a better time ?
AI: + create the poll(Thorsten) 

* HSQLDB -> Firebird migration plan (Lionel, Miklos)
+ reverted initial removal of HSQLDB
+ based on feedback – Tomi will add a warning dialog (Miklos)
   + user can choose whether the migration is wanted or not.
   + would be good to know what the transition period should be too.
+ would be good to wait until firebird is present in LTS releases (Lionel)
   + before removing HSQLDB
   + how long ? (Miklos)
  + Ubuntu – every 2 years (Lionel)
  + say 2-3 years, if Debian.
   + other questions (Michael)
  + what is default ?
  + do people really exchange DB’s by E-mail ?
  + we migrate data – how much do we need it ?
   + eager to keep HSQLDB syntax / engine (Lionel)
  + for transition - something like a programming tool
  + 2-3 years looks good for Lionel.
+ when do we make firebird the default ? (Lionel)
   + can be for the next release when its ready.
   + need to get an overview of the bugs
+ Metabug: 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51780
   + may already be in a better state than HSQLDB
   + not opposed with this being a default for next release.
+ exchanging DB’s by E-mail can happen (Lionel)
   + know some groups that do.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics 
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 328(328) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  8(1) 16(-1)41(-1) 117(0)  
 commented 70(26)   219(27)   535(41)2040(44) 
   removed  1(1)  3(2)  3(2)   16(3)  
  resolved  6(3) 18(3) 38(3)  182(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 114 changes in 1 month, and 860 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 62 changes in 1 month, and 447 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 40 changes in 1 month, and 234 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 36 changes in 1 month, and 135 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 26 changes in 1 month, and 315 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 25 changes in 1 month, and 49 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 24 changes in 1 month, and 291 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 19 changes in 1 month, and 129 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 11 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
  Faure, Jean-Baptiste made 10 changes in 1 month, and 21 changes in 1 
year

   + Sifr for Hicontrast
 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52772/
 + this is there for a11y reasons
 + agreed by Hypra
 + Sifr is small compared to hicontrast (Michael)
+ so if you want to see things with hicontrast you need these
 + hicontrast for people with color / contrast disability (Kendy)
+ from what recall from Sifr – grey not high contrast.
 + Possibly solved by more modern hardware / shaders cf. The bug:
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75398#c14
 + was concerned too (Caolan)
 => turn it into an extension.

   + Badly readable styles at sidebar tdf#115507 and similar
 Closed as WFM now
 
* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 28(+22) import failure, 3(+0) export failures
+ big jump here. Old bug not showing up until std::unique_ptr
   + could have been a cause of random crashes; now fixed.
+ one outstanding assert caused by FastParser (Michael S)
   + NS handling in xmloff not quite right
   + only works with the normal namespace prefixes
   + prefix → integer → string; 2nd mapping is static
   + have CC’d Azorpid on it.
  

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Eike, Cloph, Stephan, Sophie, Caolán, Olivier, Michael W,
  Miklos, Michael M, Heiko, Xisco, Michael S, Thorsten, 
  Chris Sherlock  

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.7 RC1 – April 10th
   + will be tagged next week – final 5.4 line release
+ 6.0.3 – RC2 status
   + released as final earlier today.
+ Android
   + impress remote crash with wifi on Android
   + fix in repo will release to play store shortly. 
+ Online
   + 6.0.3 release of online too.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Help pages updated /fixes (G. Kelemen. S. Horacek, buovjaga,
  D. Roscek, ohallot, atimar, A. Gelmini)
+ (on going) wiki page on direct inline help page editing in gerrit
  (thanks to D. Ostrovsky, M. Kaganski, buovjaga)
   + should make fixing typos & small updates very easily.
   + should significantly improve editing efficiency & flow.
   + finishing wiki page with instructions & building a video on this:
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GerritEditing

+ Bug triaging for Help
+ Guides: stalled.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 330(330) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated
by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(4)  17(-4)42(1)  117(-1) 
 commented 44(-23)   192(-1)   494(-6)1996(-16)
   removed  0(-1)  1(0)  1(0)   13(0)  
  resolved  3(0)  15(0) 35(-1) 180(-6) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 67 changes in 1 month, and 824 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 44 changes in 1 month, and 303 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 44 changes in 1 month, and 235 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 41 changes in 1 month, and 420 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 40 changes in 1 month, and 304 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 35 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 16 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Rainer Fiebig made 14 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  Kaganski, Mike made 10 changes in 1 month, and 46 changes in 1 year
  m.a.riosv made 9 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year

   * Terminology modifications to Paste Special format 
 http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Design-f1935996.html
   + we have eg. calc8 as a format presented to user here.
 + updated the strings here. hopefully easier to understand

   * Ctrl/cmd+Tab & shift+ctrl/cmd+tab introduced for customization
 and assigned to next/prev sheet in Calc (wip)
  + good; be careful of tab/shift-tab for focus/a11y (Michael)

   * tdf#116695 Make Elementary the default on Gnome
 patch merged to see if “gnome” works as DE
  + discussion ongoing in the bug.
  + think Sifr better than Elementary (Cloph)
  + also think Colibre would be better on more platforms.
   + better choice (Heiko)
   + but want to keep Breeze on KDE.
  + best to get someone to test it rather than pushing to master (Michael)
  + why not use Colibre on GNOME ? (Michael)
  + important to use what we have (Heiko)
  + lets pick the best, and use that (Michael)
  + UX team want Elementary for GNOME → do that.

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 6(+0) import failure, 3(+0) export failures
+ 25 (-3, +20) coverity issues
+ Google / ossfuzz:
+ wheels have fallen off the wagon wrt integer overflows
  and 32bit rect/point/etc, 28+
+ change to 32bit on all platforms (used to be 64bit on 64bit)
+ will switch to 64bit on all platforms instead to avoid this (Stephan)
+ lots of noise from this
+ forcepoint round 6, still not complete.
+ reviews of backports much appreciated.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2 
  + 688 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1 
  + 1048 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.6.2 
  + 346 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.1.1 
  + 636 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.2.1 
  + 2052 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.3.2
  + 18 (last 7 days) (-)
+ quite surprised in 5.4.6.2 – numbers of crashes are low in last week
  + 5.4.x continues to go down
+ fix for SetUpdateMode pending (Michael)

* GSoC Application (Thorsten, Heiko)
   + 42 final applications – deadline is over, please review!
  + somewhat down on previous years; similar to other projects.
   + 16+ mentors
   + 10-

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Xisco, Stephan, Jan-Marek, Heiko, Olivier, Caolan, Michael W,
  Michael M, Tomaz, Miklos, Christian, Kendy

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ chase old security - viva tool / company via Vasily (Thorsten)

* ImageURL bits (Tomaz)
+ 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2017#Image_handling_re-work
+ Graphic pieces were handled by string in the API
+ properties in the API – used to be a string URL, now XGraphic.
+ question is – how to handle it for back-compatibility 
+ probably old macros use the old API.
+ is there some way we can get strings still ? (Michael)
+ was previously an embedded URL – this will now go away (Tomaz)
+ if the URL is external – still makes sense. 
+ some APIs eg. fillbitmap – used only internal URLs before.
+ how can we warn the user of this ?
+ Thorsten had some concerns wrt. existing macros (Stephan)
+ on the mailing list.
+ what should continue to work is common use-case:
+ URL for graphic to include somewhere, could in the past
  set that property to a URL-name; make sure it still works.
+ how would I put an image in a document from a file ? (Michael)
+ put a URL in the property – and it works (Tomaz)
+ for setting – it makes sense still.
+ getting the properties back not such a big deal (Tomaz)
+ if used to set external URL ? (Stephan)
+ reading it should get that back then.
+ in un-linked graphics case (Miklos)
+ sending the URL – an un-linked graphics is created
+ can’t return much – except the unique-id of the graphic
+ we want to kill that.
+ the vnd.sun.star ID ? (Stephan)
 + that’s correct (Tomaz)
 + we don’t want to get that back (for read) (Stephan)
+ good new things (Tomaz)
 + image loss is much harder to achieve.
 + GraphicObject unique-id is not used anymore
 + re-working GraphicObjects
 + XGraphic now used instead
 + the Swap functionality goes to Graphic itself 
 + and gets simplified
 + external link handling & handling of source graphics
   should be simplified too.
 + so Graphic will work much better, and be easier to maintain.
 + lots done in SdrGraphicObject that doesn’t belong there.
 + swapping triggered from there – can be transparent inside
   the Graphic itself
 + interested to get faster image sizing (Michael) 
 + best thing – getting swapping transparent to the code (Tomaz)
 + created a meta-bug to track issues wrt. refactoring (Xisco)
   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116280 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.6 – released as final today
+ 5.4.7 RC1 – April 10th
   + last of the 5.4 release line
+ 6.0.3 – RC1
   + delayed by build failures.
   + fix for windows done yesterday.
   + passes the JUnit tests nicely
   + will tag RC2 on Thur not Tue next week.
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
* New Help
+ Enabled YouTube videos in New Help pages (ohallot)
e.g. 
https://help.libreoffice.org/6.1/en-US/text/swriter/main.html 
+ Enable ODF files in New Help pages (ohallot)
e.g. 
https://help.libreoffice.org/6.1/en-US/text/scalc/01/func_imsin.html 
+ fixes in New help XSLT.
* Help contents
+ Help page for Calc XML Source features (ohallot + Kohei contents)
+ bug triaging
* Guides
+ More chapter revisions from community
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 337(337) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(-4) 28(-2)48(-2) 125(-1) 
 commented 62(-16)   229(13)   535(14)2041(-10)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  0(0)   12(0)  
  resolved  4(-3) 14(2) 39(-2) 192(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 84 changes in 1 month, and 854 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 83 changes in 1 month, and 266 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 71 changes in 1 month, and 322 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 62 changes in 1 month, and 449 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 55 changes in 1 month, and 316 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 46 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 17 changes in 1 month, and 99 changes in 1 year
  Rainer Fiebig made 14 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 35 changes in 1 year
  Henschel,

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Xisco, Stephan, Sophie, Heiko, Caolan, Olivier, Kendy, Christian, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ come up with a plan for un-blocking peak CI in future (Christian)
   [ one plan – have variants of the job to disable linux / gcc builder
 with high load, and have Windows VMs on them to handle Windows load.
 Can be done manually quite easily – enable 1 config vs. the other.
 Can be automated by querying the queue size etc.
 Could we spin-up cloud VMs here ?
 Is it better to revert more aggressively ? (Michael)
 + yes, was looking at a queue of dependent patches
 + things getting merged when queue is long (Thorsten)
 + would be ideal to scale higher for a day eg. ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.6 - RC2 next week (beginning of week March 13/Tue)
+ tagged and built yesterday, up-loading builds now.

+ 6.0.3 – RC1 and branch next week (end of week March 15/Thu)
+ plan to tag late this evening.
+ SalGraphics / jmux assert bits – have a patch, causes another issue
 + is another test breakage related or not (?)
 + unclear if the fix is effective.
+ ought to get this into RC1 if we can:
 + currently over 30x patches waiting for 6.0
 + a reviewing stall there:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+branch:libreoffice-6-0 
+ reviews much appreciated.
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Fixes in Help Content from translators (ohallot, fitoshido, kelemen, 
gelmini)
 + Fixed / clarification in HC pages (ohallot)
 + improved calc descriptions.
 + New Help
 + Fix for New Help navigation (ohallot)
 + Refactor offline help eliminating extra ver# (ohallot, sberg) 
 + Packaging: pending. 
 + Books / Guides: 
 + stalled due to team member’s availability.
 + will dedicate more time to packaging next.
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
   + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 338(338) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(2) 30(9) 50(10) 126(8)  
 commented 78(36)   216(59)   521(75)2051(63) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  0(0)   12(-1) 
  resolved  7(4) 12(3) 41(3)  189(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 86 changes in 1 month, and 847 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 82 changes in 1 month, and 272 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 75 changes in 1 month, and 330 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 56 changes in 1 month, and 456 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 45 changes in 1 month, and 319 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 19 changes in 1 month, and 97 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 18 changes in 1 month, and 42 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 14 changes in 1 month, and 101 changes in 1 year
  Rainer Fiebig made 14 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 9 changes in 1 month, and 767 changes in 1 year

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 2301 (+2301) import failure, 10(+9) export failures
  + a big jump, PDF import has a recent crash
  + new assert from mst accounts for most of it.
+ ?? 4(+0) coverity
  + coverity scan is still down “for synopsys rebranding” (maybe)
+ still completely dead. Down and out ?
  + how vital is that ? (Thorsten)
+ could do some of this in clang plugins (Caolan)
   + eg. intialize member in one constructor, but not another
   + worth making a list of common problems next.
AI: + chase some old paper of another tool via Vasily (Thorsten)
   + https://www.viva64.com/en/b/0308/ 
+ forcepoint round #5
  + fixed all their stuff, modulo DLP bits that need releases.
  + from 6000 → 300.
+ 45 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), font parser last added
  + 1-2 per day coming in.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 917 (last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1
  + 1066 (last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.1.1
+ 1347 (last 7 days) (up)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.2.1
+ 1492 (last 7 days) (up)
+ slightly up this week - service down 2x days last week.  
+ nothing unexpected.

* ODF versioning / compat fix (Michael)
   + Michael S’ caveats should prolly be engraved in stone somewhere.

* GSoC Application (Thorsten, Heiko)
   + 16 mentors
   + have only 4 proposals so far
   + 2 blank, 2 Android.
   + expect some m

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Caolan, Stephan, Miklos, Xisco, Eike, Sophie, Michael S
  Kendy, Michael M, Jan-Marek, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a plan for un-blocking peak CI in future (Christian)
   [ still pending ]
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ No builds this week.
+ Next up:
  + 6.0.3 – RC1 and branch next week (end of week March 15/Thu)
  + 5.4.6 - RC2 next week (beginning of week March 13/Tue)
  + Android
  + Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Help pages contents: 208 Open bugs (+1)
  + 2 unconfirmed
 + 22 patches for Help contents by (G Kelemen, fitochido, A Gelmini)
 + New help: improvements in OS detection in  (ohallot)
  + Pending: new help packaging (tdf#116240)
  + Meta bug: tdf#97629
 + Help online editor : resuming with Mike Saunders and Liongold.
 + Guides:
  + progress in revision for GS 6.0 (+ 3 chapters reviewed)
 + should the help directory contain the version # ? (Stephan)
  + would be better to remove redundant ver in install set.
  + will open a bug and fix it (Olivier)
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Heiko on vacation next ~two weeks.
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 326(326) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  9(1) 21(1)  40(3)  118(6)  
 commented 42(13)   157(-22)   446(-13)   1988(-13)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   0(-2)  13(-1) 
  resolved  3(2)  9(-2) 38(-2) 185(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 94 changes in 1 month, and 869 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 44 changes in 1 month, and 234 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 38 changes in 1 month, and 432 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 38 changes in 1 month, and 310 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 16 changes in 1 month, and 290 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 11 changes in 1 month, and 88 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 11 changes in 1 month, and 767 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 38 changes in 1 year
  Kevin Suo made 9 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 year
  Benes, Luke made 8 changes in 1 month, and 11 changes in 1 year

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 0 (+0) import failure, 1(+0) export failures
  + last week’s value.
+ ?? 4(+0) coverity
  + coverity scan is still down for synopsys rebranding (maybe)
  + down permanently ? Over a week being re-branded.  
+ forcepoint
  + fixed the last set of reports, lots of nullptr de-referencing
  + sent sample docs to AOO for reference.
+ 45 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), font parser last added
  + addressed a number of timeout issues
  + down to ~20 fuzzing issues there.
  + test case documents are sometimes used by other doc fuzzers
 + causing issues for other people

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 764 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 665 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1
  + 706 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.0.3
  + 2002 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.1.1
+ 1053 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.2.1
+ 714 (last 7 days) (-)

+ The crash report service was down for 2 days last weekend

+ Jmux & Michael worked on the virtual-pointer issue
+ discovered mpGraphics2 – was never freed on Windows
  since it was introduced in 2000 – the cause.
+ pushed patch to master & -6-0 – hopefully will improve.

* GSoC Application (Thorsten, Heiko)
   + 14 mentors so far (+8 pending)
   + would be good to check that people are responding to their mentor mails
   + if you want to mentor: add yourself to wiki page & check for invites.

 * GSoC schedule
   + Student Application Period: March 12 – 27
   + Application Review Period: March 27 - April 23
   + [libo] Deadline for EasyHack submission - March 31st  
   + [libo] Deadline for merge of EasyHack – April 7th 
   + Student Projects Announced: April 23
   + Community Bonding: April 23 - May 14
   + Coding: May 14 - August 6
   + Evaluation 1: June 11 - 15
   + Evaluation 2: July 9 - 13
   + Students Submit Code and Final Evaluations: August 6 - 14
   + Mentors Submit Final Evaluations: August 14 - 21
   + Results Announced: August 22

   + Create

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Sophie, Caolan, Cloph, Christian, Eike, Stephan, Miklos, David
  Olivier, Xisco, Kendy, Thorsten, Michael M, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ go over the past budget ideas & cleanup as a base (Thorsten)
+ do a libreoffice-6-0-1 branch on the tag (Christian)
+ get input from Sophie on https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/49914/ 
(Olivier)
   [ put Sophie on copy of the gerrit commit and Sophie +1’d ].

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.2 - RC1 – tag Feb 20
+ released as final earlier today
+ 6.0.3 – RC1 – 3 weeks out.
+ 5.4.6 - RC1 update
+ tagged by Xisco yesterday
+ various builds up-loading
+ will up-load them today
+ 5.4.6 RC2 – week after next
+ Android
+ completed roll-out on the play store.  
+ Online
+ up-loaded a 6.0.2 final.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Updates in help contents (G. Kelemen, Tagezi, ohallot, caolan, Laurent 
BP, A Gelmini)
   + 35 patches
+ 92 open bugs on Help Contents (tdf#80430)
   + 5 closed
   + problems understanding many reporters. 
+ Improvements in help online reading (buovjaga)
   + New new-help meta bug - tdf#97629
   + Pending: packaging for distros for off-line use.
+ Changes from new GTK3 (caolan)
+ Books
   + resumed more chapters for final proofreading
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 322(322) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(2)  20(5)  37(4)  112(5)  
 commented 29(-20)   179(-17)   459(-15)   2001(-15)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   2(0)   14(0)  
  resolved  1(-2) 11(-1) 40(-4) 188(-4) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 111 changes in 1 month, and 887 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 47 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 27 changes in 1 month, and 773 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 22 changes in 1 month, and 425 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 20 changes in 1 month, and 293 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 16 changes in 1 month, and 87 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 12 changes in 1 month, and 288 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 11 changes in 1 month, and 91 changes in 1 year
  Ekansh Jha made 11 changes in 1 month, and 22 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 39 changes in 1 year

+ Blog posts for easyhackers about Set-up and Terminology
  + 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2018/02/22/easyhacking-set-environment/
  + 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2018/02/28/easyhacking-all-about-terminology/

  + Suggestion from l10n member to have a checkbox in Jenkins to approve 
texts
  + so experienced person checks text in new translatable strings.
  + prefer to get best-practice on strings written-up (Michael)
  + if we have police – want blocking policy on UX guidelines (Heiko)
   + joke.
  + nice to have people aware of everything but we don’t work this way.
  + what is the underlying complaint ? (Michael)
   + that we change things too often in the code (Heiko)
   + sounds like feature-not-bug to me (Michael)
  + encourage a mail to the dev list to give examples
of bad changes (Michael)

+ Should export to HTML keep formatting per white-space?
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115326
  + Recommendation: NOTOURBUG/WONTFIX
  + if someone has a patch they’re welcome to contribute (Michael)
  + similar issue with empty-paragraphs (Miklos)
  + we already insert a .

+ on vacation the next two weeks

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 0 (-1) import failure, 1(+1) export failures
  + can’t reproduce the export crash.
+ ?? 4(+0) coverity
  + coverity scan is down for synopsys rebranding (maybe)
+ 45 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), font parser last added
  + oss-fuzz back online again
  + tried to splitup our fuzzers – since they were too large
+ had an individual config per fuzzer.
+ forcepoint runs, various credits in commits
  + do we continue to get good stuff ?

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 955 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 954 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1
  + 881 (last 7 days) (up)
+ htt

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Heiko, Michael M, Christian, Olivier, Miklos, Caolan
  Eike, Kendy, David, Kendy, Michael S, Jmux, Xisco, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)
+ go over the past budget ideas & cleanup as a base (Thorsten)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0.2 - RC1 – tag Feb 2 0
+ will be done by Xisco later today
+ a 1 RC only release.
+ move back to normal branching further down the release.
+ problems with crash-reporter (Michael)
AI:  + do a branch on the tag (Christian)
+ 6.0 kill ? (Heiko)
+ on our download page – have access to 6.0
+ not sure it is a problem – hard to find (Cloph, Michael)
 + will disappear when builds go from the mirror directory.
+ 5.4.6 - RC1 tag Feb 27 next Tues. 
+ regular 2x RC schedule.
+ Android
+ roll out covers all users
+ crash reports looking much better
+ Online
+ should do a 6.0.2 RC1/final next week.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Catching up the help pages gap x features updates (ohallot, LaurentBP)
+ Published 3/8 Macro BASIC ref. cards (JF Nifenecker, ohallot)
   + written in French; now translated to English.
+ Resuming book review for Getting Started 6 (D. Barton, Jrodriguez, 
ohallot)
+ Please advise on https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/49914/
   + massive change, terminology: removing the word Runtime
   + is there a reason for that ? (Eike)
   + bothers the authors (Olivier)
   + “Runtime” doesn’t seem to be needed in text.
   + can we do this with a sed script across the translations ? 
(Michael)
   + yes, if only a script – but did translators translate it ? 
(Cloph)
   + if not – mostly tricky.
   + is “catagiries” in commit Categories in change? (Michael)
   + yes (Olivier)
AI:   + ask Sophie (Olivier)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 322(322) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-2)15(-6) 33(-4) 107(-9) 
 commented 49(8)196(-37)   474(-28)   2016(-48)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   2(0)   14(-1) 
  resolved  3(1) 12(1)  44(-2) 192(-23)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 94 changes in 1 month, and 887 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 28 changes in 1 month, and 782 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 22 changes in 1 month, and 220 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 19 changes in 1 month, and 286 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 19 changes in 1 month, and 296 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 19 changes in 1 month, and 58 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 19 changes in 1 month, and 433 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 18 changes in 1 month, and 65 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 15 changes in 1 month, and 89 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 15 changes in 1 month, and 85 changes in 1 year

  + Easyhacking: How to set up your environment

https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2018/02/22/easyhacking-set-environment/
   + collection of links to the wiki: so people can install code and hack 
on it
   + first of a series Heiko plans on this
   + since some GSOC students don’t know how to do it.

  + Improvements to Font Listing
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2018/02/18/improvements-font-listing/
   + outcome of design session last week
   + how to filter out un-interesting fonts in the font-name drop-down.
   + 3 options; poll in the blog – give your feedback to inform the devs
 ultimate decisions as they implement.

  + New backgrounds gallery theme in 6.1
   + Extensions for legacy bitmaps available
   + now can install the old background images via extensions.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 0 (-1) import failure, 0(+0) export failures
+ good news.
+ 4(+0) coverity
+ ?? 45 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), font parser last added
+ something wrong up-stream; not producing results.
+ unclear what changed; exception suggests no config files.
+ forcepoint – have been finding things in master
+ also in DLP libraries
+ finding some bits in filter-detection
+ lots of overlap between fuzzing & crash-testing & coverity
+ finding the same things.
+ added a fuzzer for PDF importing and finding bits in PDF export.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 1004 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffic

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Thorsten, Miklos, Sophie, Stephan, Heiko, Eike, Christian,
  Kendy, Michael S, Michael M, Xisco, Jmux

* Completed Action Items:
+ Check availability of people for GSOC / UI mentoring (Heiko) 
[ asked people and updated as explained ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 6.0.0 retrospective ?
  + crashes on windows quite a lot.
   + 6.0.1.1
  + tagged a build quickly here before release, and it does fix crashers.
  + test build for en_US on pre-release server
  + release builds available later today/tomorrow
  + starting a flatpak build too (Stephan)
  + will push to download pages without blocking on QA.
  + seems to fix the known crashes (Xisco)
 + thanks to V. Stuart & Buovjaga for testing.
   + 6.0.2 – at the time of what was 6.0.1 before this & renumber upwards.
  + keeping the schedule intact.
   + 5.4.5.1
  + releasing this as final – no fixes for RC2 anyway
  + pushing this as of now on the download page.
   + thanks to Caolan & team @ RedHat
  + will update pages on release.
   + Android
  + Beta version appears to have solved all the top crashes
  + need to check how many are using the beta. (260 as of today)
   + Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + assumed in the air.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 320(320) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  7(4) 17(3) 34(2)  111(2)  
 commented 63(18)   211(35)   492(-3)2078(8)  
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  2(0)   15(0)  
  resolved  3(-2)15(1) 47(-5) 220(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 86 changes in 1 month, and 908 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 44 changes in 1 month, and 792 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 35 changes in 1 month, and 435 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 26 changes in 1 month, and 418 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 24 changes in 1 month, and 195 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 21 changes in 1 month, and 318 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 18 changes in 1 month, and 61 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 18 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 80 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 13 changes in 1 month, and 93 changes in 1 year

   + Trouble with announced but missing features 
+ table styles depend on user settings
+ have to delete the user-directory to enable it.
+ special character was a decision
+ introduced a new button which is hidden, new one
  with floating widget is not visible.
+ some discussion on horizontal space here.
   + design people wanted to keep it.

   + Paragraph break
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68271
→ keep current state – the old way

   + Bypassing import dialogs
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74580
→ want a fast/default case for CSV import. Dropped needs-ux

   + ‘100 paper cuts’ GSoC project suggestion
+ ask on the design ML to submit their own top-10 cuts.
+ some sort of voting, to see what are relevant
+ get a prioritised list of student-solve-able topics.
+ some may be harder than easy-hacks.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 0(-18) import failure, 1(+1) export failures
+ calc issues gone with different default
+ Dennis’ implicit intersection work ongoing.
+ can dig the docs out of previous crash-testing results.
   + using the BZ markup (Caolan)
   + should be there for some months.
+ mst has a fix for the 1 export issue. 
+ 4 (+0) coverity
+ 44 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), writer html last added
working on embedded font parsing
+ busy funding the same issues that crash-testing find.
+ fun font parsing bits ongoing.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.6.1
+ 951 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 1451 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.3.2
  + 2098 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 1529 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.5.1
  + 7 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.0.0.3
  + 7966 (last 7 days) (up)
   

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Stephan, Eike, Sophie, Samuel T, Heiko, Caolan, Christian,
  Michael M, Miklos, Kendy, Xisco

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 5.4.5 RC1 – last week of Jan – right before FOSDEM.
+ tag planned Tuesday evening.
   + 6.0 RC3 – due this week
+ tagged & built, up-loaded to pre-release server
+ announce planned last week of Jan.
+ no late features left.
+ all patches are reviewed.
+ everything looks good for a final release next week.
+ please remember to cherry-pick to libreoffice-6-0-0 +2 reviews for
  the final release.
   + Android
+ builds prepared for ARM & Intel
+ looking good → play store as an alpha version
 + hopefully crash-rates will improve a lot.
   + Online
+ some patches needing review, before RC3

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + New Help:
   + More tweaks: index results pagination (buovjaga)
   + now supports all LO languages in page UI (Olivier)
   + pending: building packages for distribution
   + building msi / RPM / DEB
   + poking at scp2 but still WIP
   + can we bootstrap from existing help packs ? (Michael)
   + Updates on traditional help pages (Laurent BP, Adolpho, Olivier)
   + Info: 96 open bugs related to help page

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 316(316) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(4) 13(4) 31(-1) 109(0)  
 commented 60(26)   162(8)480(-34)   2059(-25)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  2(0)   15(-3) 
  resolved  3(-2)15(-4)51(-3) 223(-4) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 72 changes in 1 month, and 944 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 48 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 36 changes in 1 month, and 797 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 29 changes in 1 month, and 413 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 25 changes in 1 month, and 184 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 327 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 24 changes in 1 month, and 424 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 13 changes in 1 month, and 77 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 13 changes in 1 month, and 218 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 9 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year

   + LibO branding present at https://demo.identihub.co/project/libreoffice#/
   + organized by Albanian team (Ura Design)
   + possible issue with Vanilla in Mac app-store
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115206
+ internal file-dialog showing up 
   + thanks to Gülşah Köse for improvements to Calc context
 menus (48067, 47925, 48417)

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 76(-4) import failure, 4(+0) export failures
+ couple of new export failures fixed.
+ still some calc threading issues pending.
   + Dennis patch this week to work around one type
+ implicit intersection patch pending
+ 7 (-5) coverity
+ pretty stable.
+ 44 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), writer html last added
+ html seems to be tailing off finally
+ seems to be dying down here
+ very easy to get OOM with large col/row claims in tables
  + work-around patch in gerrit.
+ calc html and a few more outstanding.
+ most of the work on calc already done too.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.6.1
+ 734 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 1273 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.3.2
  + 1764 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 1359 (last 7 days) (-)

+ Service down on Jan 21, 2018
+ fewer reports than usual – numbers look good.

* GSOC Application (Heiko)
+ finished registration
+ should be ready to submit this week.
+ page on wiki has been updated.
+ next deadline ? (including for ideas)

* Hackfests & Events (Michael)
+ FOSDEM hack-fest / meetings
+ dates confirmed (Monday + Tuesday), book your travel!
+ Hotel: La Grande Cloche over the street.
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2018
+ Hamburg TNG – 1st new-style hackfest
+ outlined for April 7/8th.
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfests/HackfestTNG
+ checkout the tender for ment

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Miklos, Xisco, Olivier, Heiko, Stephan, Eike, Sophie, Christian,
+ Samuel, Michael S, Caolan, Michael M, Thorsten, David, Kendy

* Completed Action Items:
+ review HTML patch and submit
 [ tested on Mac & Windows and will merge to master (Olivier) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + no release this week
   + 5.4.5 RC1 – last week of Jan – right before FOSDEM.
   + 6.0 RC3 – due next week
+ announce planned last week of Jan.
+ late features
+ gpg4libre branch (Thorsten)
   [ should all be in plus a bug-fix corner-case crash
 when people don’t have gpg installed, looks good for 6.0 ]
+ please remember to cherry-pick to libreoffice-6-0-0 +2 reviews for
  the final release.
   + Android
+ patches getting committed now; some reviews from Thorsten.
+ poking the Android tinderbox before doing a test release.
+ builds with bundled cairo: some memory wins (Michael)
   + Online
+ pending rc3 next.

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + Patch for activating new local help (olivier)
  + next: test packaging.
   + Books:
  + Still working on GS 6.0 book w/ community.
  + Started Calc Guide Update

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 317(317) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  1(-4)  9(-2)32(-4) 109(-2) 
 commented 34(-11)   154(8)514(-25)   2084(-39)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  2(0)   18(-3) 
  resolved  5(3)  19(2) 54(1)  227(-7) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 56 changes in 1 month, and 985 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 46 changes in 1 month, and 46 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 39 changes in 1 month, and 803 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 324 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 19 changes in 1 month, and 184 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 18 changes in 1 month, and 399 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 18 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 12 changes in 1 month, and 414 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 10 changes in 1 month, and 127 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 9 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year

  + Discussed how direct formatting and styles are applied and reverted
+ (tdf#112852) with the suggestion of a style inspector
→ good topic for newbies
+ another one might be to rework shortcut assignment
+ KEY_A = A != KEY_ = some non-latin char

+ two new people are showing up looking for easyhacks
+ (Abhishek Shrivastava – quickstarter & another).

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 80(+2) import failure, 760 (+760) export failures
+ still some calc threading issues pending.
+ 12 coverity
+ 44 fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), writer html last added
+ html an exciting set

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.6.1
+ 1020 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.7.2
+ 1347 (last 7 days) (-)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.3.2
  + 2297 (last 7 days) (down)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.4.2
  + 1353 (last 7 days) (up)


* GSOC Application (Thorsten)
+ Markus working on it; deadline Tues 23rd
+ ~90% done

* Hackfests & Events (Michael)
+ FOSDEM hack-fest / meetings
+ dates confirmed (Monday + Tuesday), book your travel!
+ Hotel: La Grande Cloche over the street.
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2018
+ Hamburg TNG – 1st new-style hackfest
+ outlined for April 7/8th.
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfests/HackfestTNG
+ checkout the tender for mentoring:
+ 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2018/01/16/tender-consultancy-libreoffice-feature-implementation-incl-site-development-training-201801-01/
+ layers issues – one a dup; a large problem domain here.
+ still looking for people who want help learning how to fix
  their problems interactively at a hackfest.

* mentoring/easyhack update
  committer...   1 week 1 month  3 months12 months   
  open  73(-3) 137(-13) 139(-15) 142(-15)
   reviews 604(-13)   1762(3)  5008(215)   18666(-9) 
merged 262(-51)   1062(-124)   3686(143)   12013(49) 
 abandoned  21(8) 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ jani, Miklos, Xisco, Sophie, Olivier, milian, Stephan, Heiko,
  Caolan, Cloph, Kendy, Michael S, Michael M, David, Thorsten,

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ review HTML patch and submit to 6-0 (Kendy)
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 5.4.4 – WinXP SDK re-build
+ replaced on the mirrors; in download archive – respin in separate 
folder
  
https://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/5.4.4.2/win/x86/xp_respin/
 
   + 5.4.5 RC1 – last week of Jan – right before FOSDEM.
   + 6.0 RC2 (Xisco)
+ 8 patches in gerrit: 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+project:core+branch:libreoffice-6-0
+ tag & branch libreoffice-6-0-0 after the meeting
   + please review patches ASAP.
+ 2nd to last RC.
+ tripple review after the branch for libreoffice-6-0-0
+ one review for libreoffice-6-0
+ late features
+ gpg4libre branch (Thorsten)
   [ almost done with decrypting – if not making
 the deadline for RC2 get it tripple reviewed.
 worst cases disable in the UI – but don’t expect that
 marketing should still market it ? (Michael)
+ yes (Thorsten) ].
+ HTML help pieces (Olivier)
   [ progress, very close to being tested on master,
 needs patches approved & merged to master → 6.0
+ finished the intermediate files to activate help
+ fixed uno commands help too.
+ would appreciate help reviewing patch (Kendy)
+ Xisco giving good feedback.
+ tested it on Mac – with some problems.
+ does the help get into MSI files etc. ? (Michael)
+ should be an add-on, packaged in the same way.
+ Extended tips do they work ? (Cloph)
+ makefile that dtardon did, adds help tips
  to the new help
+ downside of sticking with old-style for 6.0 ? (Miklos)
+ want to improve the help content too (Olivier)
+ editing of help not a blocker (Kendy)
+ merge it ASAP to master, can switch master to it.
+ not a disaster not having it in 6.0, won’t block the
  help changes we want. ]
+ VC Runtime re-distributable installer (Cloph)
   [ merged to 6-0 on monday ]
   + Android (Cloph)
   + some patches causing a conflict, regarding runtime permissions
   + pushed something to fix stray page borders (Michael)
   + proper fix for the rendering issue from Pranav.
   + Online
   + RC2 – needs doing.

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + finally decided on book cover artwork
   + do we have time for a run-off (?)
   + Localization of online UI

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 325(325) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(1) 11(-1)36(-2) 111(0)  
 commented 45(11)   146(-2)   539(-19)   2123(-46)
   removed  0(0)  0(-1) 2(0)   21(0)  
  resolved  2(-3)17(-1)53(-3) 234(-6) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 47 changes in 1 month, and 1006 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Linard made 46 changes in 1 month, and 47 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 28 changes in 1 month, and 344 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 27 changes in 1 month, and 786 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 19 changes in 1 month, and 413 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 16 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 16 changes in 1 month, and 181 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 14 changes in 1 month, and 130 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 11 changes in 1 month, and 92 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 8 changes in 1 month, and 41 changes in 1 year

 * HIG: “Provide tooltips for unlabeled controls or when the label doesn't make 
the function perfectly clear.”
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/PropertyDialog
   + state of our art

 * Paragraph selection with or without breaks
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68271
   + discussion in progress

 * Update of recovery dialog
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114508
   + mockup provided
   + weird workflow in the dialog.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 78(+0) import failure, 0 export failures
+ as before christmas - still some calc threading issues pending.
+ 4 (-1) cover

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Olivier, Stephan, Xisco, Michael M, Miklos, Michael S,
  Kendy, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ ask quikee what he recommends on svg icons on dev list (Heiko)
[ quikee – on ML; some issues – when the bugs are solved,
  we should switch to SVG – plan to make it fully functional. ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 
   + 5.4.4 – WinXP SDK re-build (?)
   + 5.4.5 
+ 6.0 RC1
+ builds are done, and up-loading
+ no additional branch yet – but on -6-0 branch
+ still in 1x review mode.
+ 6-0-0 branch is due Jan 9th for RC2.
+ late features
+ gpg4libre branch (Thorsten)
   [ almost done with decrypting – but negative time.
 expect things next week. ] 
+ HTML help pieces (Olivier)
   [ still working, not yet ready – fixing l10n issues
 working sfx2 to make it work.
 Kendy has a patch to help out. ]
+ ‘experimental’ Calc / threading UI setting (Michael)
   [ merged option with scary message ]
+ VC Runtime re-distributable installer (Cloph)
   [ change added to master, included in TB builds,
 will cherry-pick to 6-0 branch ]
   + Android
   + Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Several fixes / additions for help pages contents (Olivier)
+ Patch to open new help locally (Kendy, Olivier, Tomaz)
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/47383/1
+ Needs a bit of advice there.
+ how to set a timer to wait for browser opening.
+ can’t erase the /tmp file before the browser uses it.
+ is this generated on the fly ? (Michael)
 + can’t use the file:/// protocol (Olivier)
   or it opens it inside the file manager
   then open shell with this HTML file.
+ delete temporary folder on exit of LibreOffice (Kendy)
 + easy to catch with a ‘static’ object destructor.
 + already working as-is temp files are cleaned on exit 
(Olivier)
+ better help page layout and display from UX (Andreas K, Buovjaga) .
+ coming real soon 
+ Open question: we use Javascript in our new help pages
+ do users complain wrt. Having NoScript enabled in browser. 
+ should we address this too ?
+ leave this for later / wontfix ?
+ dynamically adapt content for platforms with JS
+ no problem with noscript expected (Kendy)
 + should be able to generate page that works even with no JS
+ Resuming book edition for 6.0 Getting started next Monday.
AI: + review HTML patch and submit to 6-0 (Kendy)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 325(325) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  4(0) 12(1)  38(-2) 111(0)  
 commented 34(-1)   148(-13)   558(1) 2169(-9) 
   removed  0(0)  1(-1)  2(0)   21(0)  
  resolved  5(1) 18(-2) 56(1)  240(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 54 changes in 1 month, and 1039 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 31 changes in 1 month, and 780 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 30 changes in 1 month, and 406 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 23 changes in 1 month, and 350 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 17 changes in 1 month, and 130 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 17 changes in 1 month, and 180 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 17 changes in 1 month, and 225 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 11 changes in 1 month, and 33 changes in 1 
year
  kompilainenn made 10 changes in 1 month, and 25 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 9 changes in 1 month, and 145 changes in 1 year

+ reworking the color palette based on real math now
+ confusion of what is purple vs. indigo at the start
+ all being re-done; will look similar – but with exact values change
+ will need to adjust gradients, table styles etc.
+ rearranging controls in the customization dialog
+ to have labels on all controls, improves a11y too.
+ looking for code review on https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/46971/
+ tooltips for track-changes, seeking a reviewer.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 
+ 81 (-9) import failure, 0 export failures
+ still some calc threading issues pending.
+ 8? (-6) coverity
+ ?? fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl), writer html newly added
+ calc i

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Olivier, Eike, Michael M, Heiko, Sophie, Cloph,
  Miklos, Kendy, Caolán, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ remove internal file-picker from the options page (Heiko)
+ add internal file-picker removal to “pending removal”
  release-notes in 6.0 (Heiko)
   + ticket for discussion; Rene has concerns
   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114484
 commit comment was misleading just disabled file (Michael)
   + the internal print dialog is not shown at all, see comment on
 ticket (Heiko) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
   + 5.4.4 RC2
+ released as final yesterday.
+ issue installing on WinXP – forgot the SDK switch to enable it.
   + builds are running, and will replace builds on mirrors when done
   + re-doing and replace & announce on twitter.
+ 6.0 RC1
+ builds are done, and up-loading
+ no additional branch yet – but on -6-0 branch
+ still in 1x review mode.
+ 6-0-0 branch is due Jan 9th for RC2.
+ late features
+ gpg4libre branch (Thorsten)
   [ almost done with decrypting – but negative time.
 expect things next week. ] 
+ HTML help pieces (Olivier)
   [ still working, not yet ready – fixing l10n issues
 working sfx2 to make it work.
 Kendy has a patch to help out. ]
+ ‘experimental’ Calc / threading UI setting (Michael)
   [ disabled threading by default for 6.0
 not got this setting in ? (Michael)
+ apparently patch in 6-0 (Eike)
  + fine with keeping it in if translators are happy
  + no problem (Sophie)
+ seems its not in – lets push it but mark it highly
  experimental (Eike) ]
+ VC Runtime re-distributable installer (Cloph)
   [ change added to master, included in TB builds,
 will cherry-pick to 6-0 branch ]
   + Android
+ patch for unified headers don’t switch to llvm on ARM
+ working for Intel & ARM – but still in gerrit
+ along with patches avoiding Nnullptr exceptions loading docs.
   + Online
+ 6.0.0 RC1 source up-loaded
+ ongoing fixing & polish there.

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + Working on the XSLT transformation to get relative paths for help
  + same pages will serve local and online versions
   + Several corrections and additions to help pages
   + Working on the LO call to the local help in HTML
   + Guides 6.0: Stalled. Holliday season
   + found issue with online docs (Stephan)
  + start page – get a re-direct to somewhere with no-redirect token
  + something broke; filed a red-mine ticket.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 328(328) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  2(0) 10(-1) 39(-4) 109(-5) 
 commented 26(-6)   152(-25)   538(-36)   2192(-68)
   removed  0(0)  2(0)   3(-2)  21(0)  
  resolved  5(2) 20(0)  58(2)  243(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 63 changes in 1 month, and 1059 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 30 changes in 1 month, and 785 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 22 changes in 1 month, and 395 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 19 changes in 1 month, and 352 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 16 changes in 1 month, and 409 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 16 changes in 1 month, and 145 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 13 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 13 changes in 1 month, and 25 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 12 changes in 1 month, and 33 changes in 1 
year
  Cor Nouws made 10 changes in 1 month, and 181 changes in 1 year

  + late changes to Draw main menu
   + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/46867/
   + could also be done without string changes
   + getting very late wrt. freezes (Michael)
   + lets not make a habit of it.
   + if several strings – not important to break freeze (Sophie)
   + can we get it in without the string changes ? (Heiko)
   => lets keep it as is – and do it in -6-1

  + new default colors for shapes, problem with unit tests
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112541
+ 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/unit-test-for-COL-DEFAULT-SHAPE-FILLING-tt4229400.html
+ changing the default color – to have a different non-sky-blue name
   + have to 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Eike, Heiko, Olivier, Sophie, Miklos, Xisco, Caolan,
  Thorsten, Christian, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0 Beta 2 status
+ late features
+ gpg4libre branch (Thorsten)
   [ largely done, problems decrypting ] 
+ HTML help pieces (Olivier, Cloph)
   [ Shinnok is progressing with the scripts ]
+ ‘experimental’ Calc / threading UI setting (Michael)
   [ add to allow enabling if people want it ]
+ VC Runtime re-distributable installer (Cloph)
   [ will provide builds for testers ]
   + 6.0 RC1 – freeze next Tues Dec 19th
   + 5.4.4 RC2 status
   + Android
+ have a patch for unified headers
+ using llvm C++ crashes on ARM, so using GNU stl for ARM for now.
   + Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Many fixes in help pages, mostly typos and updates (O Hallot, G. 
Kelemen, Fitoshido)
 + New help pages on Presenter Console and Calc’s data form.
 + New Help Makefiles landed thanks to David Tardon
   + working nicely.
   + need to connect LibreOffice to this new help.
   + some sfx2 / sfxhelp.cxx goodness needed.
 + Getting Started Guide stalled.
 + FOSDEM talk accepted.

* Testing Jitsi for ESC calls (Michael)
   + https://meet.jit.si/TDFESC
   + working nicely with 11 people
   + awesome quality (Thorsten)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
258(258) (topicUI) bugs open, 366(366) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months   
 added  6(0)  18(2)  46(-1) 115(-3)  
 commented 35(-30)   182(-46)   620(-12)   2313(-109)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   4(0)   19(0)   
  resolved  5(0)  19(-3) 56(2)  245(2)   
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 66 changes in 1 month, and 802 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 60 changes in 1 month, and 1095 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 54 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 52 changes in 1 month, and 395 changes in 
1 y
  Dieter Praas made 40 changes in 1 month, and 90 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 28 changes in 1 month, and 432 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 16 changes in 1 month, and 267 changes in 1 year
  Christian Lehmann made 16 changes in 1 month, and 20 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 16 changes in 1 month, and 126 changes in 1 year
  Krot, Serge made 14 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
   + Gradients submitted
+ some clang compilation problem.
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/46428/
+ UITest_writer_demo failure, probably caused by the change after 
all
   + Elementary icons submitted
+ people working on them; people working on them. 
   + string changes:
+ planning terminology changes for bullet list styles,
+ changing List 1 → Roman List Lowercase
+ formats at find dialog, and customization
+ renaming bits here.
+ getting them ready before the hard string freeze.
   + proposing to flag internal file picker dialogs obsolete
 + many tickets on this topic (tdf#87860), bad usability
 + reasons for the dialog were kde4 – will have Qt5 dialog
 + concept of self-made file-picker not working.
 + we have CMIS dialogs for access to remote servers.
+ Open Remote Files eg.
 + what about http:// webdav URLs ? (Eike)
+ expect open-from-remote to replace that (Thorsten)
 => remove the option from the options page.
+ release-note – add to 6.0 “pending removal” list for 6.1
 + the ‘gen’ backend depends on generic file-picker (Caolan)
+ cancelled plan to drop it for now though.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 143 import failure, 38 export failures
+ mstahl has fixed the exports
+ Calc threading crashers (Dennis on it)
+ believe all import crashers are calc
+ MATCH changes dependencies → black-list
+ TextSearch issue, implicit intersection ...
+ 6 coverity
+ 3 old lingering java warnings, see list mail fix/ignore etc.
+ Java lovers’ input appreciated.
+ 43 (+1) fuzzers * 3 sanitizers+engine combos (asan+libfuzzer,
ubsan+libfuzzer, asan+afl)
+ latest is mathtype
+ digging these out of parent documents.
+ (writer) html next but can’t even get a short local run bug free yet
+ leaves calc html import as the last one to do.
+ including two filters here.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/versio

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Caolan, Heiko, Xisco, Olivier, Miklos, Kendy, Stephan,
  Eike, Christian, Michael S, Jan-Marek, Shinnok, Norbert

* Completed Action Items:
+ look into ulimit -c unlimited-ness on CI slaves (Cloph)
[ done: only 2x didn’t have it set – the others did already.
  Not seen issue again yet (Stephan) ]
+ check for increased crashes when enabling 5.4.3 updating (Christian)
[ not live yet – but will poke Xisco when it is ]
+ find code pointer auto-format table style config merging (Caolan)
[ dropped ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads with view to removing for 6.0 (Cloph)
[ have the data, not broken down yet: termbin.com/2jc2 ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.0 Beta 1
+ tagging delayed until Saturday
   + fixes related win signing / actually packaging etc.
   + got packages for the bug-hunting session
   + a few manual disables of unit tests for windows
   + curl update makes test fail, and win file locking too.
   + now tests non-fatal if can’t delete file thanks to Stephan.
   + back-port to 6.0 if possible (Cloph)
+ late features
   + HTML help pieces (Olivier, Cloph)
   [ started looking at scripts (Shinnok)
+ poked at portability issues.
+ will work with Olivier to fix details.
 Like David T’s approach (Kendy)
+ lets have a CustomTarget to start with first
+ good to sync with him first ‘dtardon’ ]
   + missing piece from customization GSoC (Heiko)
   [ mkara finished it so macros & styles work,
 ready to submit, Bubli reviewing ]
   + 6.0 Beta 2 (optional)
+ due next week in case late-features / big fixes are ready.
+ otherwise, no pressing reason to do one.
+ issue with Mac: Impress/Draw not working: hard to test
   + 5.4.4 RC1: this week
+ not tagged yet, quite a few patches in the queue to review.
+ 9 are left, should be easy to review.
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+branch:libreoffice-5-4 
   + Android
+ have a workaround for the rendering issue in gerrit.
+ disabling the charts on top of tiles as a workaround.
+ have a build with those fixes for QA to test.
   + Online
+ branched and source pushed.

* FOSDEM / Brussels, 3 & 4 February 2018
   + Submit papers: **deadline this Monday: Dec 4**
   + https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM18 
   + Submitted ?
   + Michael M – calc threading
   + Heiko - Proposal for better font handling in LibreOffice
   + Xisco – LibreOffice QA - One Year Overview.
   + Talks ?
   + Caolan – fuzzing talk ?
   + Kendy – Online dialog tunneling (?)
   + Miklos – ePUB talk (?)
   + Samuel – don’t know.
   + Christian – a dashboard talk.
   + Olivier – Converging documentation
   + Stephan – giving thought to topic.
   + Michael S – still planning.
   + mkara - Customization 
   + more most welcome ...

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Help online
   + remarks on makefiles by D. Tardon
   + some progress with shinnok
   + patch for better UI (G. Chiquinni)
+ Getting start book:
   + progressing towards 6.0, features already set.

* Testing Jitsi for ESC calls (Michael)
   + https://meet.jit.si/TDFESC ?
   + BoD & design people using it for meetings
   + Staff meeting going well with 8-9 people (Xisco)
   + audio is better without cameras (Olivier)
   + would this be ok for phone people ?
   + Stephan, Eike, Sophie, ...
   => try it next time.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
258(258) (topicUI) bugs open, 366(366) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months   
 added  6(0)  18(2)  46(-1) 115(-3)  
 commented 35(-30)   182(-46)   620(-12)   2313(-109)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   4(0)   19(0)   
  resolved  5(0)  19(-3) 56(2)  245(2)   
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 66 changes in 1 month, and 802 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 60 changes in 1 month, and 1095 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 54 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 52 changes in 1 month, and 395 changes in 
1 y
  Dieter Praas made 40 changes in 1 month, and 90 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 28 changes in 1 month, and 432 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 16 changes in 1 month, and 126 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 16 changes in 1 month, and 267 changes in 1 year
  Christ

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Eike, Christian, Miklos, Heiko, Sophie, Kendy, Stephan, Mike S,
  Xisco, Samuel, Caolan, Michael S, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:
+ ask Norbert wrt. Bisect repos for Mac (Michael)
[ same tooling & commands as on Linux, Windows
+ opened a redmine ticket (Xisco)
+ 
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/2412#change-13809
+ discussing locally or in a data-center ]
+ mail devs asking if they’d like to be certified (Stephan)
+ script a ‘make check’ clang-format option (Miklos)
[ thanks to Markus for helping & deploying LODE changes ]
+ mail the list wrt. bundling GPG-4-Win (Thorsten)
[ dropped ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ abandoned for now ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)
+ find code pointer auto-format table style config merging (Caolan)
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads with view to removing for 6.0 (Cloph)
[ have the data, not broken down yet: termbin.com/2jc2 ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ back from vacation
+ 6.0 Beta 1 update & feature freeze: week 47 (of Nov 20th)
+ this week will branch for 6.0
   + asked to wait for some fixes.
   + one pending from Samuel this evening
   + splash screen bits too ? (Heiko)
   + like to have it in the Beta.
   + HTML help won’t be ready for B1
   + GPG bits are submitted, but need gcc/cygwin compiler to build.
   + is it a new compile dependency ? (Michael)
   + tried hard not to rely on it (Cloph)
   + think a permanent requirement
+ late features
   + HTML help pieces (Olivier, Cloph)
   [ will do the make integration (Cloph)
 have scripts that work (Olivier) ]
   + GPG / Windows bits (Samuel)
   [ is now in, fixes coming ... ]
   + Calc threading bits (Michael)
   [ merged, fixes coming ... ]
   + Calc column span update from Noel (Michael)
   [ unlikely to make it – needs more design work ]
   + missing piece from customization GSoC (Heiko)
   [ mkara submitted a new patch, it was accepted
 missing piece is macros – still working on it.
 Styles are working, but macros are missing. ]
   + 5.4.4 RC1: week 48 (of Nov 27th)
+ next week.
   + Android
+ patches to use NDK16 and unified headers this introduces
+ font rendering issue still a problem.
   + Online
+ branch and beta source archive coming.

* FOSDEM / Brussels, 3 & 4 February 2018
   + Papers deadline Dec 4
   + https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM18 
   + Coming:
   + Caolan – fuzzing talk ?
   + Heiko - ?
   + Kendy – Online dialog tunneling (?)
   + Mike S – planning to interview people, bringing the camera
   + Miklos – ePUB talk (?)
   + Samuel – don’t know.
   + Xisco – talk to pentabarf quietly.
   + Christian – a dashboard talk.
   + Olivier – Converging documentation
   + Stephan – giving thought to topic.
   + Michael S – still planning.
   + Michael M – calc threading
   + more most welcome ...

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + More work on integration of new help into build
   + (gbuild makefiles not easy to hack !)
   + lots of people coming to help: cloph, dtardon, shinnok
   + talk and action with Mike Saunders to set a prototype XHP editor
   + Getting Started guide 6.0
   + Last meeting was adjourned due to connectivity issues. Resume next 
Monday.
   + awaiting latest 6.0 features to write about.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
261(261) (topicUI) bugs open, 369(369) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  6(2) 17(-3) 46(-1) 118(0)  
 commented 62(23)   225(-47)   629(-2)2410(-9) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   4(-1)  19(-1) 
  resolved  6(4) 22(1)  54(2)  244(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 102 changes in 1 month, and 825 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 82 changes in 1 month, and 1125 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 68 changes in 1 month, and 402 changes in 
1 y
  Zolnai, Tamás made 60 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 32 changes in 1 month, and 429 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 31 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 20 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  Christian Lehmann made 19 changes in 1 month, and 19 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 1

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Michael M, Stephan, Kendy, Heiko, Xisco, Caolan, Miklos,
  Eike, Shinnok, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a list of retiring committers to mail (Norbert)
+ find code pointer auto-format table style config merging (Caolan)
+ mail the list wrt. bundling GPG-4-Win (Thorsten)
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads with view to removing for 6.0 (Cloph)
[ have the data, not broken down yet: termbin.com/2jc2 ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ Bartoz removed obsolete, non LODE details from the wiki
  removed quick-setup and mac-ports setup, recommends to
  --disable-cve-tests on the Mac. 
  It works for me; what’s the issue (Stephan)
  re-send the mail to the list / Stephan (Shinnok) ]

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ 6.0 Beta 1 & feature freeze: week 47 (of Nov 20th)
+ late features
   + HTML help pieces (Kendy)
   [ still working to integrate some scripts into Makefiles 
(Olivier)
  concern wrt. this getting finished (Kendy)
 anyone interested could help Olivier with gnumake ]
   + GPG / Windows bits (Thorsten)
   [ still not in yet ]
   + bundling GPG-4-Win ? (Thorsten)
   [ removing this item – will link on website somewhere ]
   + Calc threading review with Eike (Michael)
   [ had a call, minutes on the list, doing last fixing before merge
 SvNumberFormatter locking needs fixing first
  + plan to have it enabled for beta (Eike)
 + disabled / experimental for release (Eike) ].
   + KDE5 – merge but perhaps not ready for 6.0 (Thorsten)
   [ ignore this as a late-feature ]
   + Calc column span update from Noel (Michael)
   [ looking for help to get this integrated ]
   + missing piece from customization GSoC (Heiko)
   + mkara will try to submit a new patch by Monday
   + 5.4.4 RC1: week 48 (of Nov 27th) 
   + Android
   + Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
   + More work on integration of new help into build
   + Patch need advise for further improvements and developments
 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/44793/ 
   + (gbuild makefiles not easy to hack !)
   + Getting Started guide 6.0
   + cover being voted until next Sunday (19)
   + awaiting latest 6.0 features to write about

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
258(258) (topicUI) bugs open, 375(375) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  4(-3) 20(0) 47(-1) 118(0)  
 commented 39(-33)   272(4)631(-43)   2419(-26)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  5(0)   20(-1) 
  resolved  2(-5) 21(-4)52(-3) 241(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 145 changes in 1 month, and 823 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 117 changes in 1 month, and 1153 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 56 changes in 1 month, and 383 changes in 
1 y
  Thomas Lendo made 45 changes in 1 month, and 428 changes in 1 year
  Zolnai, Tamás made 37 changes in 1 month, and 108 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 188 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 28 changes in 1 month, and 78 changes in 1 year
  Christian Lehmann made 18 changes in 1 month, and 18 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 17 changes in 1 month, and 400 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 14 changes in 1 month, and 119 changes in 1 year
+ lots of discussion in UX call yesterday
+ Frames set to wrap-trough will be transparent by default tdf#71920
+ UX tweak to the defaults for frames (but not shapes, images)

+ Concerns to use the newly bundled Liberation font in templates
+ instead of Arial/Times? Or rather go with
   Calibri/Cambria/Carlito/Caladea | Noto.
   + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/43625/
+ not blocking it (Kendy)
   + previously the shell extension used Arial
   + concern wrt. metric compatibility
+ don’t create documents as if they’re from a different program (Heiko)
   + Liberation good for branding.
=> go with new templates as is.

* clang-format-ness review (Miklos)
+ discussed versions situation with sberg
   => will give-up on supporting mutiple versions
   + git hook only works with 5.0.0 stable version
+ prints a warning if you modify a non-black-list file.
   + prints out a link to the binaries
+ would be nice to progress on gerrit integration
   + is it useful to have a script in core to validate the latest commit ?
   + ci w

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Xisco, Heiko, Stephan, Christian, Michael M,
  Sophie, Michael S, Caolán, Mike Saunders, Olivier, Thorsten,
  Miklos, Eike, Shinnok

* Completed Action Items:
+ ship the horror win / VC runtime DLLs with the installer (Cloph)
[ patch appears to work, but we already have them in the installer
  if you do an admin-install they are already installed.
  we ship them twice – once as LibreOffice, but once as a run-time 
module
  not entirely elegant.
  for 5.4 – merge it as-is, for 6.0 do something clever.
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-5-4/Win-x86@62-TDF/tdf_108580/

]
+ research the best way to build HTML help / documentation (Olivier)
[ working actively on this (Olivier)
  expect to have a solution quite fast.
  WIP patch pushed to gerrit for core/ (Kendy)
  checks if HTML help is installed or not,
  will add opening of pages later
  https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/43963/ 
]

* Pending Action Items:
+ run dev certification script (Kendy/Thorsten)
[ have one name without running the script ]
+ provide / check web-page on dev certification process (Kendy)
[ poke Italo to find out what to check (Kendy) ]
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads with view to removing for 6.0 (Cloph)
[ have the data, not broken down yet: termbin.com/2jc2 ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ Bartoz removed obsolete, non LODE details from the wiki
  removed quick-setup and mac-ports setup, recommends to
  --disable-cve-tests on the Mac. 
  It works for me; what’s the issue (Stephan)
  re-send the mail to the list / Stephan (Shinnok) ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.3 RC2
  https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+branch:libreoffice-5-4-3 
  10 patches waiting
+ plan to tag this evening
+ please help review things.
+ 5.3.7 RC2 released as final today
  Resolves: tdf#111428 implement CellStoreEvent::swap() in 
ScColumn::SwapCol()
  possible ugly bug – 5.3.8 ?
+ Eike found a nasty bug, is it enough to do a 5.3.8
+ can lead to non-re-calculated values; would be nice to fix in 5.3
+ do we need a new release ? (Michael)
+ fixed in released 5.4.3 bits
+ merge it to the -5-3 branch in case of new release ?
+ quite a specific scenario (Eike)
   + would like to get it out if we can.
+ fine to encourage people to use 5.4 (Cloph)
   + move people to 5.4 a bit earlier too perhaps.
+ 6.0 Alpha1
+ 6.0 feature freeze: week 47 (Nov 20th)
+ late features
+ HTML help pieces (Kendy)
   + GPG / Windows bits (Thorsten)
   + Calc threading review with Eike (Michael)
   + KDE5 – merge but perhaps not ready for 6.0 (Thorsten)
   + can’t build on baseline anyway (Michael S)
   + bundling GPG-4-Win – a 25Mb package for GPG
 encrypt/sign for Win? (Thorsten)
   + pointer for an extra download ?
   + License ? (Michael)
   + mix of GPL/LGPL (Thorsten)
   + want access to encryption reasonably easily
   + maintenance / security updates etc. an issue.
   + 10% increase – for perhaps minority benefit.
AI:+ mail the list (Thorsten)
   + Calc column span update from Noel (Michael)
+ Updating service – expected to miss 6.0 (Cloph)
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Broke large script for new help into smaller pieces
+ aim to make easy for build and packaging integration
+ looking into how to hack a makefile
+ https://goo.gl/A8dGVf
+ resuming book editing with doc community for 6.0
+ cover of the book – is under discussion.
+ looking at XML editor for help + workflow (Mike S)
+ a bunch of technical things to investigate here.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 395(395) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  2(-7) 20(-3)43(-1) 115(-2) 
 commented 45(-32)   230(17)   565(17)2368(-14)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  6(0)   21(-1) 
  resolved  6(-1) 23(4) 55(-6) 238(-20)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 134 changes in 1 month, and 792 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 113 changes in 1 month, and 1203 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 57 changes in 1 month, and 475 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 40 changes in 1 month, and 201 changes in 1 year

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ lots of people at the Rome conference.

* What is the ESC (Caolan)
+ Engineering Steering Commitee
+ avoiding potential conflicts.
+ representation from most developing communities
 + docs, translation, releng, etc.
+ mostly people are in the ESC anyway.
+ all calls are public, and recorded, can listen in & find out …

* Completed Action Items:
+ bisect and analyze bug#112558
+ Bisected
+ Only in Calc
  + affects metric compatible fonts primarily C*
  + brought to ESC because Caolan fixed previous issue (Xisco)
  + priority is normal, but lets not focus on it now.
  + everyone happy with line-spacing in writer ? (Caolan)
  + yes – and elsewhere in UI etc. (Xisco)
+ add access to Mathias Freund(Kendy)
  + send welcome mail (Heiko)

* Pending Action Items:
+ find data for x86 / Linux downloads (Cloph)
+ ship the horror win / VC runtime DLLs with the installer (Cloph)
+ fix scripts producing junk numbers for crash testing (7 and 7) (Shinnok)
[ pending – making the scripts work again. ]
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
[ still working on this, hope to have it done today ]
+ research the best way to build HTML help / documentation (Olivier)
[ still working on this ]
   + it will be python (olivier)
+ switch default to x86_64 / Windows for testing & pre-releases of 6.0 
(Cloph)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.2 RC2 status
+ released as final last week.
+ prolly first version which has flat-hub builds (Stephan)
   + they do the builds for us …
   + Stephan does builds of ‘fresh’, but they will do ‘still’
   + prolly continue doing ‘fresh’ builds.
   + Endless – want to use this …
   + they appear to have the B/W to do the builds.
   + building for ARM32 & ARM64 too – plus Intel 32 & 64.
+ 5.3.7 RC2 - 1 week after conference.
+ 5.4.3 RC1 next week
+ 6.0 Alpha1
+ next week
+ 6.0.1 will be made sensible ...
+ 6 week gap from 6.0.0 to 6.0.1 ?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/6.0
+ ideal to have 3-4 week after release instead;
=> adjust to 3 weeks; Christian to do something sensible.
+ 6.0.1 rc1 week 6
  to avoid scheduling conflicts move 5.4.5 one week back
+ Android
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ some patches coming to the help content
+ continuing building books; intend to release a companion to 6.0
+ a static guide; on time there.
   + what should the cover look like.

* Heiko missing.

* Crash Hunting (Caolan)
+ 6 import failures, 0 export failures
+ mostly RTF documents, results for this week not in yet.
+ hope down to zero.
+ 7 coverity issues
+ only 3 outstanding Java issues of potential leaks.
+ sol’n – is to use Java APIs that don’t exist in our Java
+ do we care about our Java baseline ? → ignore them.
+ down to close to zero again.
+ Julien N doing great stuff on fixing these.
+ Google / ossfuzz: 34 fuzzers active now
+ chewing away at the XML filters
+ Google fixed the log issues.
+ starting to see issues hidden by older problems.
+ OOM when hit 2Gb; so seeing new layers of badness now.

* Crash Reporter (Xisco)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/?days=128
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.3.6.1
+ 1527 (last 7 days)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.1.2
+ 3168 (last 7 days)
+ http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/5.4.2.2
  + 598 (last 7 days )
+ numbers falling for 5.3.x
+ NEW to 5.4.2.2 
http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/signature/ScEditEngineDefaulter::SetDefaultItem(SfxPoolItem%20const%20&)
+ Xisco will look at reproducing it.

* Hackfests & Events (Thorsten)
+ new plan from Bjoern:
   + 
https://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2017/08/27/hackfests-the-next-generation/
 + trying to get these going
 + had a meeting; minutes posted to board-discuss
 + need to work through ‘interesting’ easy-hacks to find a topic.
 + want two-day-long not-so-easy hacks.
+ Hamburg – 1st new-style hackfest
 + 9th-10th December possible, if it fits.
 + just after Beta2
 + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfests/HackfestTNG (Eike)
+ next after FOSDEM
+ Germany / France / Italy – considered for spring
 + love to have more offers fro further afield (Michael)
+ LibreOffice Conference
 + hacknight on Thu evening (Sophie)
  + Scout Center 
 + use the occasion to ask devs about NeedDevAdvice bugs (Xisco)
  + try to get the UNCONFIRMED stats down etc.

* mentoring/easyhack 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

Seemingly I forgot to post these last Thursday: apologies !

* Present:
+ Thorsten, Miklos, Kendy, Caolan, Olivier, Shinnok, Xisco, Michael M,
  Stephan, Eike, Jan-Marek, Sophie, Heiko, Christian, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ submitted an ESC / architecture discussion talk (Michael)
+ send a nice mail explaining cleanup commit issues (Michael)
+ simplify & update dev-central build details & link to wiki (Shinnok)
 [ found the repo, looked at the code – could simplify it and 
   have pointers to the wiki – doing it as lower prio. ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ fwd build details on Mac / CVE build / test failure to the list (Shinnok)
 [ need to re-compile to find the errors and/or transcribe the text.
   How many tinderboxes on Mac ?
 + three – should have configure line there (Thorsten)
 + both Jenkins and non-Jenkins builders look different (Michael) ]
+ font issues
 [ 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Minutes-of-ESC-call-2017-08-17-tt4220768.html#a4221038
 + have a deeper look / hunt for solutions (Xisco)
+ See below
 + dialog / cropping → perhaps have a look ? (Caolan)
+ 
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=0c8b749e602b6743857a9bc4efb24b6183690311
+ landed in master: looks like it fixes -lots- of things:
+ gone into all version (Caolan)
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107249
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108710
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108891
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106111
+ Comparisons before and after:
+ 
https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136090
+ 
https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136091
+ 
https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136061
+ better ceil() than round() to avoid cropping by all means (Jay)
 + we want it to work as the original code did (Caolan)
 + http://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136092
 + still not perfect 136092 – attachment, a difference (Heiko)
   + smaller line-spacing vs. 5.1
   + best to get a new bug – with the file (Xisco)
   + pictures less useful ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ this week – nothing.
+ 5.3.7 - 1st week of October as initially scheduled
+ 5.4.2 RC1 – branch next Tuesday ...
+ Online
+ Android
 + fixed x86 platform / NSS building & will push patch
 + focus on getting the viewer into shape.
+ will split off the 5.4 project in pootle this weekend
 + and move to actual master strings.
+ do we have a conference gap in the schedule ? (Michael)
 + move it if there is a concern ?

* Documentation (Olivier)
 * Implemented L10n in UI for helponline.libreoffice.org
 + and browser detect language
 + built in https://helponline.libreoffice.org/6.0/
 + backporting to 5.4 and 5.3
 * Entering in revision phase for Getting started Guide 6.0,
 + Now waiting for 6.0 new features
+ Please fill the wiki page with the new features

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 408(408) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(1) 19(2) 32(-1) 133(-8) 
 commented 40(4)180(14)   475(-17)   2952(-72)
   removed  0(0)  0(-1) 4(-1)  43(-1) 
  resolved  5(0) 22(-3)68(-2) 285(-2) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 124 changes in 1 month, and 1588 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 59 changes in 1 month, and 460 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 45 changes in 1 month, and 1428 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 38 changes in 1 month, and 66 changes in 
1 y
  Cor Nouws made 38 changes in 1 month, and 336 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 32 changes in 1 month, and 562 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 18 changes in 1 month, and 354 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 14 changes in 1 month, and 52 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 13 changes in 1 month, and 75 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 12 changes in 1 month, and 470 changes in 
1 y
+ Mascot update
   + more triage work requested
+ OS survey
   + https://demo.collaboracloudsuite.com/tdf/index.php/s/Coj67L

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Caolan, Eike, Heiko, Olivier, Thorsten, Armin, Xisco,
  Michael M, Miklos, Michael S, Sophie, Christian, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ build concrete, deliverable plan for live-screenshots (Olivier, Armin)
[ stalled
  what is missing wrt. estimating it ? (Thorsten)
 + plan needed to implement automation of screenshots
   at install-time for local help (Olivier)
 + please write this as a wiki page so people can jump in 
(Thorsten)]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.0 RC2
  + delayed a bit – 32bit Windows for XP –
required patch reversion wrt. Font-rendering settings.
+ will make this 32bit / XP specific.
  + build failure on OS/X wrt. expat configure.
+ back-ported from master.
  + RC2 is a week late.
  + but built and branched.
  + three reviews later this week after RC2, on the release branch
  + 5.4.0 final
+ tagging is next-week, after that is final – last week of July.
  + feature pages: please update:
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.4
+ 5.3.5 RC1
  + tagged yesterday, builds for Linux done,
Windows + Mac due later today.
  + will apply mac patches for RC2 – in gerrit.
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ online
+ 5.4.0 RC2 release done by Andras

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New layout of help online (TDF#97745)
+ check it: https://helponline.libreoffice.org
+ now responsive (read LO help in your mobile)
+ All TDF languages that are built are listed
+ thanks to buovjaga for helping out
+ TODO: Finish the Contents tab (tree files)
+ TODO: make it local (file:///)
+ TODO: Working on a blog post about.

+ New Authors showing at summer times

+ do we get paid for google custom search ? (Heiko)
+ get a lot of external links from that (Olivier)
+ we get Excel pivot tables eg.
+ solution for internal search is a bit further out.

* Theodore (Shinnok) intro
+ new development mentor for TDF
+ just starting, getting feet wet, doing admin
+ several open-source contributions
+ GSOC student + mentor etc.
+ C++ developer, based in Romania – EU timezone.

* SSRLabs Interns (Michael)
+ eight new hacking interns around: performance & quality
+ starting on their first easy-hacks.
+ Any ideas on quality ? (Xisco)
+ can write UI test; can take a couple.
+ Extending performance test-suite (Markus?)
+ XML filter pieces (Michael)
+ continue & expand Azorpid’s work.
+ other misc. threading / perf. Ideas (Michael)
+ UX pieces (Heiko)
+ problem is: need a coding mentor here.
+ missing table styles, area style types etc.
+ page background etc.
+ build performance on windows ? (Thorsten)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 474(474) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  2(-2) 12(-5) 38(0)  406(-3) 
 commented 22(-21)   151(-13)   542(-5)3324(-24)
   removed  0(0)   3(0)   6(0)   43(0)  
  resolved  0(-3) 12(-3) 37(-4) 244(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 195 changes in 1 month, and 389 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 94 changes in 1 month, and 1530 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 50 changes in 1 month, and 1503 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 36 changes in 1 month, and 582 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 22 changes in 1 month, and 66 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 15 changes in 1 month, and 351 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 12 changes in 1 month, and 361 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 11 changes in 1 month, and 417 changes in 
1 y
  Henschel, Regina made 9 changes in 1 month, and 132 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 7 changes in 1 month, and 110 changes in 1 year

+ Not much to report
+ Missing participants in the weekly call, esp. devs
+ would appreciate developer input in the call.
+ have a couple of tasks that could be easy-hacks
   + line-spacing in calc ? Not sure where to start.
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108891 (easyhack 
or not?)

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 2(-8) import failure, 6(+3) export failures
  + exploded for a while, now down – run due in the next hours
+ bigptrarray issues got fixed ? (Michael)
  + yes, Noel reverted the problematic change (Miklos)
+ oss-fuzz: 31 fuzzers active
  + no new fuzzers added, last was Qpro
  + lots of calc filters to add yet
  + getting lots of OOM results from MS Word filters
+ coverity: 14

* RSC death (Caolan)
   

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Eike, Miklos, Olivier, Michael M, Sophie, Armin,
  Cloph, Michael S, Varun, Bubli, Jan-Marek, Jean-Sebastian

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ build concrete, deliverable plan for live-screenshots (Olivier, Armin)
[ need more time to evaluate that with Armin (Olivier)
  discussed with Bubli what we can do (Armin)
 + would have been nice to do from the beginning,
 + 80-85% do-able without flickering ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.0 RC2
  + not been tagged yet – issues with translations
+ ran script, but obsolete strings re-appeared
+ build-queue in Jenkins was too long so 5.4 patches were not building
+ going to tag today.
  + three reviews later this week after RC2, on the release branch
  + feature pages: please update:
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.4
+ 5.3.5 RC1 next week
+ 5.2.7 – has been removed from the download page
+ not offered unless you explicitly select it.
   + still available from download-archive.
+ update check moved to 5.3.4 instead
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ online
+ need to build a release here too.

* Documentation (Olivier)
   * Throughout refactor of Help online build script 
(http://helponline.libreoffice.org) with
+ Use 'helpex' utility from build
+ Added piwik code
+ Build & uploaded all released languages (~90) for 6.0
 + a shell script so far
 + ideally, it should be "make helponline", but IAND
   helponline:\nshell-script … (Michael)
+ Inclusion of schema.org markup "TechArticle" for SEO
 + http://schema.org/TechArticle
 + Not trivial to qualify right schema
 + adding meta-tags for classification of page content.
 + would like input / advice on whether schema.org adds value to SEO
+ Still waiting for community promised layout for pages
 + will have to do myself if no response
 + helponline really close to be released then
* Monitoring google/webmasters/console for helponline and documentation
+ will need to get access to documentation.lo.o shell
+ to get to template 
+ SEO parametrization far from trivial,
+ Can't get SE to give immediate response
+ SE not in our control
+ task pending to execute takes days
* Several fixes to help pages for release 5.4
* Published easy hacks for help pages
+ no response
* Donation patch
+ time spent refactoring for BCP47
+ erAck merged it for 6.0
   + I’m working on having it configurable for
 distros and large deployments

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 474(474) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  4(-1)17(1)  38(1)  409(-9) 
 commented 43(9)164(-17)   547(23)3348(-60)
   removed  0(-2) 3(0)   6(0)   43(0)  
  resolved  3(0) 15(-2) 41(-2) 244(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 208 changes in 1 month, and 371 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 111 changes in 1 month, and 1537 changes in 1 
year
  Tietze, Heiko made 52 changes in 1 month, and 1517 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 29 changes in 1 month, and 579 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 23 changes in 1 month, and 360 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 20 changes in 1 month, and 63 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 20 changes in 1 month, and 356 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 14 changes in 1 month, and 417 changes in 
1 year
  dieterp made 9 changes in 1 month, and 41 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 7 changes in 1 month, and 123 changes in 1 year

  + discussions about line spacing default, zero sized bullets in Impress
+ can size bullets to ~zero – crazy
+ suggest we crop to 25% for interop. (Michael)
  + first branding-6.0 commits
+ ongoing task, submitted the first real image(s)
+ needs tuning, but this is how it looks
+ did we get TDF branded versions → cloph ? (Michael)
   + in-progress; esthetic design issues being worked on (Heiko)
  + get in touch with KDAB dev for metrics ?
+ https://github.com/KDE/KUserFeedback
+ want to collect data on what people are using
+ want to collect surveys from running programs too
+ not a question of development – but web development (Markus)
+ doesn’t seem like a good line-up (Michael)
   + OTOH – had a tender for this in the past IIRC
   + would be good to have more engagement with that in future etc.

* Crash Tes

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Armin, Sophie, Kendy, Michael M, Stephan, Miklos, Eike,
  Armin, Christian, Michael S, David

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a concrete, deliverable plan for live-screenshots (Olivier)
+ Developer Certification – next round (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy/Thorsten)
[ still pending ]
+ check with Italo, and change the version to 6.0 in configure.ac 
(Christian)
[ Board rubber-stamped Marketing’s recommendation of going with 6.0 ]
+ publish deprecation poll on: Postscript printing, Image maps etc. (Heiko)
  => see deprecated features

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.0 Beta 2 status
  + built, tagged, on the way to mirrors, etc.
  + signing:
  + signed with a new certificate – now DigiCert
  + previous releases were from StartComm
  + this may be something to look out for.
  + late features:
+ Windows support for gpg sign/encrypt
  + has been committed; 1 UI related change triggering dialog
  + feature pages: please update:
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.4
also created:
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/6.0
+ 5.3.4 RC1 status
  + built last week, on the mirrors.
+ 5.3.4 RC2 update
  + due next week, all going well with the release.
+ Android & iOS Remote
  + no news.
+ online
  + Beta2 source archive synching to mirrors.

   * AppImage - Linux portable edition (Yousuf)
  + Bug report - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97269
  + moggi said on infra IRC that the decision should likely be talked here
  + would like to setup a download page - 
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/appimage/
  + appimages can be created by repacking existing builds
 + daily build example - 
https://github.com/AppImage/AppImages/blob/master/recipes/libreoffice/Recipe
 + Antonio Faccioli‏ is creating scripts for language bundles similar 
to the windows portable editions
   http://www.libreoffice.org/download/portable-versions/
  + unclear what the future holds here: Snap, FlatPack, AppImage (Michael)
  + no real need for Linux portable edition (Cloph)
 + tar-ball can be unzipped.
  + some people may want it do why not ? (Heiko)
 + up-loading takes time, maintenance etc. (Cloph)
 + if 2 people use it – build it themselves pwrt. daily builds.
  + how is flat-pack hosted currently ? (Michael)
 + build & up-load, and cloph pushes it (Stephan)
 + whenever there is a 5.3.x it is build – following Fresh.
 + no daily build.
  + the request is “become a linux distribution” (Michael)
+ flat-pack doesn’t include the GNOME run-time (Stephan)
+ AppImage sounds like it will include ~everything:
  Gstreamer + all codecs etc. - from some random PC (Michael)
   + can Jay distribute it instead ?
   + how large is it ?
   + AppImage works hard to solve a problem we already solved:
 of being an ISV on Linux – it is hard but solveable.
  + Sad to miss jphilips in the discussion; do it again later ?
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ missing Olivier.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
257 (257) (topicUI) bugs open, 473(473) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  4(-2)19(2) 38(2)  455(-2) 
 commented 44(-8)   217(5)547(-30)   3494(-6) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  3(-2)  42(0)  
  resolved  4(1) 12(2) 44(-3) 235(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 160 changes in 1 month, and 1462 changes in 1 
year
  Thomas Lendo made 86 changes in 1 month, and 202 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 61 changes in 1 month, and 1902 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 57 changes in 1 month, and 372 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 18 changes in 1 month, and 612 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 18 changes in 1 month, and 137 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 16 changes in 1 month, and 384 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 60 changes in 1 year
  Iversen, Jan made 11 changes in 1 month, and 314 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 10 changes in 1 month, and 40 changes in 1 year

  + Discussion about line spacing
+ Patch from Khaled https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31053/
  aiming to standardize calculation
+ Considered as regression in document line spacing (tdf#105860,
  tdf#104932) and UI line spacing (tdf#107249)
  + line spacing - 
https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=131016
  + UI line spacing - 
https://bug-attachments.d

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Christian, Heiko, Kendy, JanI, Olivier, Xisco, Michael M,
  Sophie, Stephan, Miklos, Bjoern, Bubli, Eike, Norbert
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ dig out online E-mail from Andras & put on-line (Cloph)
   [ re-built the package to mend it (Timar) ]
+ mass conversion of helpcontent (Cloph)
   [ Translations are done; one thing left the xmllang default attribute 
change ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.0 Beta 1 May 16th
  + tagged and up-loaded the beta build to early testing.
  + late features
+ Windows support for gpg sign/encrypt (Thorsten)
   + merged & reverted – with some issues in Jenkins.
+ 5.4.0 Beta 2 – June 6th
  + no additional reviews necessary on the branch, can push yourself until 
June 20th
+ 5.3.4 RC1 – after next week – May 30th
  + looking forward to seeing the crash / gdi fixes (Michael)
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ online
  + Andras is preparing the branch 
+ problems with replication to freedesktop
  + guillhelm looking at gerrit – leaking file-descriptors ? 

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ lots of encouraging contributions this week.
+ Patches, patches patches in helpcontent (tdf#84675)
+ fixes from translators (HC)
+ Nice HC contributions by Gabor Kelemen, Laurent Balland-Poirier, Cloph

* UX Update (Heiko)
   + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
256(256) (topicUI) bugs open, 465(465) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(1) 15(3) 37(4)  465(-2) 
 commented 60(20)   209(44)   546(11)3517(-7) 
   removed  0(0)  3(0)  7(0)   41(-1) 
  resolved  2(0) 11(-1)49(-29)230(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 198 changes in 1 month, and 1371 changes in 1 
year
  Tietze, Heiko made 52 changes in 1 month, and 2013 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 48 changes in 1 month, and 383 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 36 changes in 1 month, and 653 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 25 changes in 1 month, and 110 changes in 1 year
  Iversen, Jan made 18 changes in 1 month, and 335 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 58 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 13 changes in 1 month, and 412 changes in 
1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 13 changes in 1 month, and 129 changes in 1 year
  LibreTraining made 12 changes in 1 month, and 51 changes in 1 year

+ vacation is impossible
+ returning had – 1000 mails/w ;-)
+ heated discussion about image compression, when, how, what tdf#34133
   + made a proposal on the workflow; pro. user feedback
   + if people want to know how these are compressed – poke the ticket.
   + auto-compressing images etc.
+ planning survey on default page margins – 2cm currently
   + what default do people want ?
+ desire to have a commmon goal / strategy / headline for (major) releases
  in the design team, e.g. bugfixing, notebookbar, dialogs...
   + “we all work on XYZ topic”
  + doomed as an approach, unless it’s just marketing (Michael)
 + like post-rationalization eg. MUFFIN.
 + agreed (Bjoern)
 + without power to commit resources, not wise to promise

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 2(+0) import failure, 0(+0) export failures
   + need to spend some time on crash testing to find these 2.
+ 49 coverity issues (down)
+ Google / ossfuzz: unchanged no fuzzers active now, ww6 added, ww8 
smoketesting
   + fixed a local crasher in ww8 – to add to queue in next few days.
   + PPT has just one version, looking good. Excel pending.
   + docx, and ODF formats pending.
   + coming to the end here (hopefully)
+ results depend on the input ? (Xisco)
   + they find their own input (Caolan)
  + using minimal set of documents – that exercises most of LibreOffice
  + using the corpus minimiser from AFL – to get smallest set that 
maximises
that space.
  + http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/corpus/

* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Ladies who FOSS ? (Bubli)
+ Italian hack-fest coming up: 4 days May 27-30th
 + Expectation match on Presentations etc.
 + no idea wrt. Presentations (Eike)
AI:  + ask Osvaldo for an agenda (Eike)
 + Perugia University
 + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Perugia2017
+ Eike, Miklos, Cloph signed up.
+ Bjoern can’t come sadly.
+ Berlin meeting (Bubli)
+ Hamburg meeting exploded so to Berlin.
+ German community event
+ Weekend of June 23 → 25 – Friday → Sun.
+ Open Tech S

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Eike, Xisco, Olivier, Sophie, Heiko, Thorsten, Christian, 
Michael M,
  Kendy, Andras, Caolan, David, Michael S, Miklos, Bjoern

* Completed Action Items:
+ docs: build proposal for keywords vs. components (Xisco, Heiko, Olivier)
   [ discussed in the last QA meeting – and Olivier prefers the component 
(Xisco)
 prefers to use a sub-component, Heiko can live with that ].
+ QA minutes → 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-QA-Meeting-Minutes-2017-04-25-tc4213251.html
+ look at old Duden extension to see if they use UWINAPI.DLL (Thorsten)
   [ removal of API got done in the meantime – we’ll cope later if problems.
 Would be interesting to know if it works beforehand (Stephan) ]
+ release note drop of OSX 10.8 support re: thread-safe statics (Michael S)
   [ added to the 5.4 release notes; and no 5.5 release notes yet ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ poke Jay to get him setup on ‘Online’ – TDF LDAP etc. (Kendy)
+ mass conversion of helpcontent (Cloph)
   [ waiting for another set of updates around templates for help.
 didn’t want to update before pulling translations for 5.1
 UI templates are dealt with and up-to-date / done.
 Just help remaining ].
+ investigate signing issues during make / check around files (Cloph)
   [ no insight 5.2.7 RC2 had the same issues ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.7 RC2
  + tagged, need to up-load windows builds; rest already on the dev 
download server.
  + manual running of make checks works with reduced parallelism just fine.
  + the last of the 5.2.x line planned.
+ 5.4.0 Alpha 1 April 25th – status
  + due later today if tinderboxen are green.
+ 5.3.3 RC2 tagging next week.
+ Android & iOS Remote
  + no news.
+ online – 5.3.3 RC2
  + tagging due next week.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Patches on help contents from translators
  + fixing some strings found by the translators
+ New help pages to come from community (convert odt->xhp)
+ Some activity with local communities on doc. translation

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 462(462) (needsUXEval) for evaluation by 
the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  4(1) 10(1) 31(0)  486(0)  
 commented 69(35)   155(36)   572(36)3580(47) 
   removed  3(3)  3(3)  7(4)   41(3)  
  resolved  6(2) 23(0) 84(1)  229(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Philips, Yousuf made 127 changes in 1 month, and 1291 changes in 1 
year
  Tietze, Heiko made 62 changes in 1 month, and 2282 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 679 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 25 changes in 1 month, and 94 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 22 changes in 1 month, and 368 changes in 1 year
  LibreTraining made 18 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 13 changes in 1 month, and 402 changes in 
1 year
  Pinto, Marco A.G. made 12 changes in 1 month, and 12 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 10 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 
1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 9 changes in 1 month, and 128 changes in 1 year

   + Working on Notebookbar variants
   + improving impl. and docs around it
   + discussed auto compression of images on insert today
   + discussed workflow for this.
   + hot topic on bugzilla: comment style tdf#103064
   + hot topic today: how comments are formatted,
   + people would like a dedicated paragraph style
   + plan to run survey about table styles soon.
   + new Telegram group “LibreOffice Design EN”: 
https://t.me/joinchat/AAx1jkAG95bMPMKh8Q

* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+ 0 import failure, 4 export failures
   + 3 weeks at 0/0 – now have 4 export failures.
   + hope it’s new asserts picking things up.
+ 153 coverity issues – stable/un-changed.
+ Google / ossfuzz: 27 fuzzers active now
   + auto-filing and mgmt of CVEs (!?)
   + currently don’t know where these come from
  + not RedHat, not Google, someone saw & decided to file.
  + two were temporary issues: during testing process
 + made no sense to file CVEs.
  + two already fixed in all of the releases.
   + chasing the filer …
  + doesn’t make sense for transient errors in un-released git.
   + servers have more disk space & are building again.
  + trickle of stuff coming through.

* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Munich OpenData/OpenGovernment BarCamp next weekend (Thorsten)
  + https://www.meetup.com/code-for-muenchen/events/237339232/ 
+ Ladies who FOSS ? (Bubli)
+ event i

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
 + Norbert, Sophie, Christian, Michael S, Miklos, Bubli, Michael M,
   Jmux, Stephan, Caolan, Thorsten, Bjoern, Kendy, Xisco, Heiko, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ look at old Duden extension to see if they use UWINAPI.DLL (Thorsten)
[ voluntered by Stephan – due end of month.
  Should we have a museum for such things on TDF infra ? (Michael) ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.3.2 RC1
+ now built – had a nasty Java issue with architecture confusion:
win64 and win32 java on the same machine
+ reverted the patch for RC1
+ fixed this now (Michael S)
+ turns out #ifdef WIN32 and #ifdef WIN64 are both defined at
  the same time in some fun way.
+ binaries are up-loaded for all but win64 to the server.
+ had a Mac signing issue (Norbert)
+ had a patch for that, would welcome review.
  https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/35542
+ ignores double signing warning.
+ 5.3.2 RC2
+ due next week.
+ 5.2.7 RC1
 + due April 11th - for the last 5.2 release
+ Android & iOS Remote
 + will promote the alpha channel → release today/tomorrow.
+ online (Michael)
 + various fixes going into 5-3.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ continuing with the process as before.
+ waiting for pootle enhancements.
+ working on calc guides, and waiting on content from newcomers.

* UX Update (Heiko)
   + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 474(474) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
added  3(1)  9(-5) 33(-5) 494(-1) 
commented 53(25)   183(-4)655(-14)   3597(-17)
  removed  0(0)  2(-1)  9(0)   39(0)  
 resolved  5(4) 19(-27)94(0)  211(5)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Tietze, Heiko made 112 changes in 1 month, and 2217 changes in 1 year
 Foote, V Stuart made 46 changes in 1 month, and 676 changes in 1 year
 Buovjaga made 33 changes in 1 month, and 367 changes in 1 year
 Thomas Lendo made 30 changes in 1 month, and 57 changes in 1 year
 Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 26 changes in 1 month, and 391 changes in 1 
year
 Kainz, Andreas made 23 changes in 1 month, and 31 changes in 1 year
 LibreTraining made 23 changes in 1 month, and 28 changes in 1 year
 Philips, Yousuf made 11 changes in 1 month, and 1290 changes in 1 year
 *UNKNOWN* made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
 Aprax made 9 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
+ discussed Nantes data
+ std. color palette survey almost finished
+ a proposal to move away from system-theme compliant LibreOffice
+ moving to a default style and branding unique on each system
+ suspect controversial
+ following system useful for a11y and familiarity (Michael)
+ we put lots of code & hard work into that.
+ there are code-paths already to hack-on here (Kendy)
+ if you disable native theming: looks like Win95
+ option already exists there to improve this.
+ can easily see that with the “gen” backend on Linux (Jmux)
+ will fwd. Ticket to the ML to start a discussion (Heiko)
+ been at the open-source design group meeting
+ interest in the next-gen branding task.

* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 18 import failure, 1 export failures
+ fallout from some work – expected fixed in next build
+ 160 coverity issues
+ up-loads to coverity failing to transfer at the moment
+ Google / ossfuzz: 24 fuzzers active now
+ no new fuzzers, PPT one still generating interest.
+ will try to expand it to UI testing

* Lot of irritating missing parentheses (tdf#106529) (Bubli)
+ tdf#80731: missing closing parenthesis in Basic code treated as error
  since 5.4, 5.3 cherry-pick (silently ignored previously,
  inherited from OOo)
+ change now reverted for 5.3.3
+ extensions and macros fail, some extensions authors have been
  notified and fixed their code already
+ if installed system-wide i.e. macro is read-only, no way for the
  user to modify the code and recover
+ to revert (on master) or not to revert, that is the question.
+ revert if it breaks old documents (Miklos)
+ agreed (Stephan, Michael)
+ would be lovely to have warnings instead (Bubli)
+ no warnings in StarBasic (Stephan)
+ would be lovely to have a Basic console with these (Michael)
+ can’t use a version in doc. due to system installed macros (Michael M)
+ version only tells you last version that wrote (Michael S)
+ not the original creator version.

* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ n

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Heiko, Kendy, Miklos, Michael M, Sophie, Eike, Stephan,
  Norbert, Christian, Björn, Olivier, Andras, David, bubli, Jan-Marek, 
Thorsten,
  Xisco, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ collect names of Perugia / Hackfest interested mentors in a wiki page 
(Bjoern)
  template wiki page created: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Perugia2017

* Pending Action Items:
+ org admins to invite mentors (when gsoc page bug fixed) (Thorsten)
+ look into advertising tweet for GSOC from TDF (Thorsten)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.6 RC2
+ announced as final today.
+ test was randomly failing (Bjoern)
+ was known; not seen it before - a regression (?)
+ mentioned in previous ESC calls - in XShape2 tests (Cloph)
+ only failed on Windows; Linux un-affected apparently.
+ prolly some dep. chain / dependency issue.
   + worked on 2nd try so ...
+ broke on i386 Ubuntu builders so can't be a dep issue (Bjoern)
   + help / test disabling appreciated (Michael)
+ 5.3.1 RC2
+ on pre-releases, and is being pushed to mirrors
+ will be announced as RC later today.
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ Intel build ready, ARM out of space - release soon.
+ online (Michael)
+ 5.3.2 next - patches welcome etc.

* Retrospective: bump master baseline from MSVC 2013 to 2015? (Stephan)
+ any problems ? (Michael)
+ not updated tinderbox build pieces for this branch yet (Cloph)
+ some problems updating toolchains from people. (Stephan)
+ UWINAPI.DLL - a cleanup fix to get rid of that
AI:+ look at old Duden extension to see if they use that (Thorsten)

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Published blog post on latest guide
 + Traffic on documentation website climbing steadily
 + Patch by aeimi for new help system (need more work)
 + Awaiting Pootle fix for Help 3 (as last week)
 + didn't connect with pootle devs this week (Cloph)
 + last week: had found another issue - fixing & testing.
 + not sure when this would happen.
 + content changes don't need to wait; only automated cleanups (Cloph)

* UX Update (Heiko)
  + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 475(475) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
added  3(1) 14(2) 37(3)  495(-1) 
commented 63(39)   224(7)739(23)3673(-22)
  removed  1(0)  3(1)  9(1)   39(1)  
 resolved  8(6) 50(4)100(3)  205(8)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 166 changes in 1 month, and 379 changes in 
1 year
 Tietze, Heiko made 142 changes in 1 month, and 2189 changes in 1 year
 Foote, V Stuart made 46 changes in 1 month, and 682 changes in 1 year
 Buovjaga made 41 changes in 1 month, and 367 changes in 1 year
 Thomas Lendo made 40 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
 Cor Nouws made 22 changes in 1 month, and 477 changes in 1 year
 Kainz, Andreas made 15 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
 LibreTraining made 15 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
 Philips, Yousuf made 13 changes in 1 month, and 1395 changes in 1 year
 *UNKNOWN* made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
   + will run a survey on default table styles
  + 39 different styles, both existing and new
   + also planned is a quick poll about the default color palette
  + three options on the table; community to decide.
   + considering interactive prototyping tool with RE feature
   + would like to make clear what new functionality is needed
 to make it fully functional
+ no way to compare features introduced vs. replaced.
+ open-source tools already a problem when un-maintained 
(Michael)
 + not eager for proprietary too
   + any problem with requirement tracking ? (Heiko)
+ word 'requirement' is a bit tricky in open-source (Michael)

* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 3 import failure, 1 export failures
+ cleared the docx issues.
+ one of the import failures is in the number-formatting code
+ changed recently.
+ 168 coverity issues.
  + didn't do much this week.
+ Google / ossfuzz: 22 fuzzers active now
+ picking leaks out of things to get ppt going
  + fuzzer crashes when OOM currently.
+ lots of places, temporarily duplicating memory when moving bitmaps 
around
+ fixing some of these to reduce memory use.
+ using a representative minimal set of documents for this.
  + http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/corpus/

* linking from edit

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Heiko, JanI, Kendy, Miklos, Xisco, Stephan, Sophie, Norbert,
   Michael M, Olivier, Christian, Eike, Bjoern, Michael S, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ test build configuations with VS 2015 (Norbert+?)
[ Tested and it worked on 32bit and 64bit and 64bit dbgutil
   + needs more work to switch slaves to this before moving.
+ problems with pro ? (Stephan)
+ no MSDN needed to un-install.
+ FOSDEM hack-fest attendees:
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2017#Achievements

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.6 RC1
   + delayed a bit - behind schedule.
   + tagging on Saturday evening.
+ 5.3.1 RC1
   + probably on Monday.
   + final release shifted one week.
+ delays due to:
+ pootle server unavailability
+ windows unit test failure overnight
+ which test ? (Michael)
+ an XShape2 test ... (Cloph)
+ were enabled on Windows by Khaled (Miklos)
+ 32bit build issue.
+ Tamas looking into a grim chart layout issue (Michael)
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ online (Michael)
  + 5.3.1 RC1 planned – postponed / due after an l10n update (?)#
   + doing ASAP with translation bits.
+ 5.4 release plan added to wiki
+ if distro builders request changes - let Cloph know.

* Bump master baseline from MSVC 2013 to 2015? (Stephan)
+ ok with bumping base-line for 5.4 (Cloph)
=> re-visit next week with more data from Norbert.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Compiled book Getting started with LibreOfifce 5.2
+ On line reading available at https://goo.gl/xUUG9V
   + cleaned chapters from the direct formatting
   + XHTML export of very good quality.
   + hope to announce in a couple of days
+ Help patches on hold until Pootle is definitely fixed
   + don't need to hold off on content (Cloph)
+ but avoid cleanup changes
+ fuzzy strings and new strings are fine; but not big replacements.
   + currently pootle / libo_ui & libo_help apply to 5.3 branch (Cloph)
+ after pootle is mended - will split off 5.3 (→ libo53_ui & 
libo53_help)
  (after that libo_ui and libo_help will be updated with master's 
templates)
+ corrections in master will end up in 5.3 ? (Olivier)
+ no, pootle tracks 5.3, but git / master tracks 5.4
=> sort this out later.(Cloph, Olivier)
+ Next: Help menu entry for donations.
+ Next: Latest guide announcement blog post 
+ New instances of Askbot on-line for NL teams (Basque and Dutch)
 +Next: Hebrew.
 => infra handling that.

* UX Update (Heiko)
  + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 475(475) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
added  5(-1) 15(-2) 38(-2) 495(-4) 
commented 55(6) 222(-18)   729(-85)   3705(-82)
  removed  1(1)   1(-2)  7(1)   38(-1) 
 resolved  6(-26)46(-2)102(5)  195(5)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Tietze, Heiko made 148 changes in 1 month, and 2136 changes in 1 year
 Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 146 changes in 1 month, and 349 changes in 
1 year
 Foote, V Stuart made 42 changes in 1 month, and 678 changes in 1 year
 Cor Nouws made 36 changes in 1 month, and 494 changes in 1 year
 Philips, Yousuf made 28 changes in 1 month, and 1575 changes in 1 year
 Buovjaga made 24 changes in 1 month, and 358 changes in 1 year
 Thomas Lendo made 12 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
 m.a.riosv made 11 changes in 1 month, and 53 changes in 1 year
 tommy27 made 10 changes in 1 month, and 88 changes in 1 year
 *UNKNOWN* made 9 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
   + talked about a procedure/how-to add Notebookbars
   + working on implementation of simplified infobar

* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 6 import failure, 8 export failures
+ various fixes committed
+ 201 coverity issues.
+ down a couple of hundred - cf. tweaked compilation flags
   around exceptions.
+ Google / ossfuzz: 19 fuzzers active now
+ all of the graphical file formats, and moving to HWP, LWP etc.
+ infrastructure ok again.
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Ladies who FOSS – sometime in March (Bubli)
+ organized in Berlin.
+ Italian hack-fest coming up: 4 days May 27-30th
 + Perugia University
 + successful students get course credits
 + expect 15+ experienced students.
   + Osvaldo helping out.
 + planning to go if he can (Bjoern)
 + lots of people want to go to Ita

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Heiko, JanI, Olivier, Norbert, Michael M, Xisco, Eike,
  Christian, Sophie, Stephan, Miklos, Thorsten, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ add Mark Page  to committers (Norbert)

* Pending Action Items:
+ FOSDEM hack-fest attendees:
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2017#Achievements
   + so far - just two people added anything ...

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.6 RC1
  + tagged 1 hour ago, we’re on track.
+ 5.3.1 RC1
  + prepared today – delayed by a week due to pootle
  + 1 fix wrt. Windows installer icons 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/33943/ 
  + no problem with docs impact (Olivier)
 => just merge it.
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ online (Michael)
  + online branch maintenance (Thorsten)
 + wondering for 5.3 – what’s the policy ?
 + not using gerrit much.
 + customer wants to do stabilization & bug-fixing
 - plan for one review in gerrit (Thorsten)
 + plan to do a 5.3.1 RC in a week (Michael)

* Bump master baseline from MSVC 2013 to 2015? (Stephan)
+ see mail 
 
“Support new and discontinue old compilers” from David O.
+ tried to contact all the buildbot / tinderbox owners
 + not contacted (Norbert)
  + installed 2015 on the box a year ago.
  + 64bit release worked, but all else failed.
 + Concerned that:
  + does release & dbgutil profiles build ?
  + VS 2013 parallel builds should work too – need to use 2013
 + bots using 2013 (Cloph, Thorsten)
 + failed try to build 2015 last week (Thorsten)
  + works for Stephan.
 + time to try it again.
+ Is 32bit tested ? - the concern here it seems.
 + otherwise eager to try again.
+ MSDN issue ? → solution to use Community Edition Visual Studio.
 + buy windows server licenses, scrape Office versions from here & 
there.
AI: + test build configuations (Norbert)
+ Is there any gain of functionality with 2015 ?
 + not that much (Stephan)
 + some unicode bits, some improved const_expr bits.
 + just avoiding technical debt.
 + de-duplicate python versions (Miklos)
+ Not aware of any loss of functionality (Stephan)

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Release 5.3 has links to documentation site
   + Surge on the traffic from LO users: avg 300 unique visits/day
   + Most wanted Guide: Calc, 75 /week
   + Writer : 56 /week
   + Base: 52 / week
   + Draw: 38 / week
   + Getting started: 35/week
   + Countries (measured by locale of the UI)
  en-US: 794 entries
  de: 175 (redirected to wiki)
  fr: 172 (redirected to wiki)
  it: 146 
  ru: 136 (no entry page, NL team contacted)
  ja: 126 (no entry page, NL team contacted)
  es: 79
+ Help content modernization
   + meeting with bubli, kendy, cloph in Brussels
  + awaiting Pootle to come back to resume
  + Need some temporary reverts, to avois fuzzy state for translators
  + important patches to reorder images and objects in help pages 
(bubli, Gabor)
+ Next steps
   + resume HC modernization
   + Donate entry in Help menu tdf#105831
   + Finish Getting Started Guide 5.2 (“compile book”)
   + Start Calc Guide 5.x update (as per download rate above)

* UX Update (Heiko)
   + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 478(478) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
added  6(5) 17(3)  40(2)  499(5)  
commented 49(-5)   240(-16)   814(33)3787(27) 
  removed  0(0)  3(-2)  6(-1)  39(0)  
 resolved 32(26)48(16) 97(20) 190(5)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Tietze, Heiko made 170 changes in 1 month, and 2098 changes in 1 year
 Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 151 changes in 1 month, and 354 changes in 
1 year
 Buovjaga made 42 changes in 1 month, and 387 changes in 1 year
 Cor Nouws made 33 changes in 1 month, and 480 changes in 1 year
 Philips, Yousuf made 29 changes in 1 month, and 1641 changes in 1 year
 Foote, V Stuart made 27 changes in 1 month, and 672 changes in 1 year
 Iversen, Jan made 13 changes in 1 month, and 428 changes in 1 year
 Olivier R. made 11 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
 tommy27 made 10 changes in 1 month, and 91 changes in 1 year
 Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 10 changes in 1 month, and 211 changes in 1 year

  + donation link in help menu (assigned to Olivier)
  + discussed before wrt. changing the help menu
  + no-one disa

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Caolan, Andras, Kendy, JanI, Xisco, Miklos, Michael M,
Eike, Heiko, Christian, Jan-Marek, Bubli, Michael S, Sweetshark

* Completed Action Items:
  + mail Norbert wrt. Aleksandar and welcome (JanI)
  + do the area layout / issue revert for 5.3 (Xisco)
  + Eventually not reverted: 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/minutes-of-ESC-call-tp4205182p4205193.html
Fixed by Tomaž Vajngerl - Thanks
  + investigate https://beta.opendocumentformat.org/testsets/all/en (Xisco)
[ https://gitlab.com/odfplugfest/odfserver]
+ Server is up and running locally in a vm
  + revert ‘online’ toolbar / textwrap patch for 5.3 (Thorsten)
+ there, just on the branch though.

* Pending Action Items:
  + setup bibisect repository for 4.3 with Norbert (Xisco)
 + planned for FOSDEM.
  + give authorization to Xisco on jenkins in-person @ FOSDEM (Norbert)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.5 release status
+ announced today
+ 5.3.0 RC3
+ will tag this later today, will be announced before FOSDEM
+ rather a short RC → we go live on Wednesday.
+ anything in the queue ?
 + curl update – with a -1 from Thorsten
 + Caolan – a couple of patches needing review.
 + round up reviews:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+branch:libreoffice-5-3-0 
+ final release as planned
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ Jan reviewed pending patches; so release planned.
+ online (Michael)
+ need to tag & release today.
+ online/TDF/LDAP accounts etc. (Michael)
+ status ? we’d love to announce that for wider testing, l10n etc.
+ people are invited to try out the LDAP (Cloph)
+ that gives accounts on master LibreOffice Online builds instance.
+ also access to Collabora demo server etc.
+ 

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ away today +
+ More help contents corrections
+ More chapters of Getting Started 5.2 reviewed
+ Contact with Fabio Biochetti yesterday night:
+ breadcrumbs for online help ready, need support with gerrit.
+ Fabio not needing gerrit support (JanI)

* Gerrit feedback for David (Michael)
+ going to the gerrit conf. on our behalf.
+ annoying behavior – automatic lost of comments when not logged in (Miklos)
+ if reply needs re-login, comment is lost.
+ love a queue that auto-merged when CI succeeds (Michael)
+ one button migration of github pull requests ? (Bjoern)
 e.g. status of https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T37497
* UX Update (Heiko)
  + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   253(253) (topicUI) bugs open, 470(470) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
added  6(3)  15(5) 42(7)  494(19) 
commented 37(-36)   250(30)   799(-3)3751(89) 
  removed  0(-2)  6(3)  7(-2)  39(4)  
 resolved  4(-12)37(-1)73(-35)178(4)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Tietze, Heiko made 167 changes in 1 month, and 2001 changes in 1 year
 Foote, V Stuart made 41 changes in 1 month, and 665 changes in 1 year
 Iversen, Jan made 25 changes in 1 month, and 465 changes in 1 year
 Telesto made 25 changes in 1 month, and 37 changes in 1 year
 Buovjaga made 24 changes in 1 month, and 359 changes in 1 year
 Cor Nouws made 16 changes in 1 month, and 454 changes in 1 year
 Philips, Yousuf made 15 changes in 1 month, and 1648 changes in 1 year
 Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 14 changes in 1 month, and 203 changes in 1 
year
 Kevin, Suo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
 Monastirsky, Maxim made 10 changes in 1 month, and 78 changes in 1 year
+ could have work for 20-30 students on GSOC (but some UI / mockup 
proposals needed).

* Enable creating backups of user profile in release builds (Bubli)
+ part of profile safe mode feature
+ 2 backups (zip archives) of user profile kept around in non-release builds
+ user profile can be restored from those backups in safe mode
+ a patch from Samuel M: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/33584/1
   + activates this in release builds. 
   + untested in practice so far, risk level unclear 
+ feature is shown in the UI ? (Michael)
   + restore from backup always inactive in 5.3 – no backups generated.
   + don’t know how big they can grow in real life.
+ users can enable this manually – but unsure if it should be for everyone.
+ drag and drop to the gallery can create big user directories (Heiko)
   + warning taking a backup can consume 1Gb for big galleries.
   + could we ask for confirmation at a high level ?
   + Co

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

Sorry for the delay.

* Present
+ Stephan, Andras, Caolan, Heiko, JanI, Kendy, Olivier, Xisco, Michael M,
  Sophie, Christian, Lionel, Norbert, Thorsten, Bubli, Michael S, Eike,
  Jan-Marek, Bjoern

* Completed Action Items:
+ write to Aron & Heiko to welcome to committing (Kendy)
+ poke Florian to encourage posting of Macs (Cloph/Michael)
+ have a look at certification names again (Kendy)

* Pending Action Items:
+ produce a trend / graph of last year’s work (JanI)
+ September – September numbers here 
https://conference.libreoffice.org/assets/Conference/Brno/iversen-development-mentoring.pdf
+ investigate https://beta.opendocumentformat.org/testsets/all/en (Xisco)
[ https://gitlab.com/odfplugfest/odfserver
  More progress still waiting for Jos’ help ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.5 RC1 schedule acceleration ?
+ fixes for both regressions in 5.2
+ builds done, tagging finished, up-loading underway.
+ should we do an RC1 release as final ?
  + Markus’ patches in the release & sensible (Xisco)
  + concern wrt. rushing things (Thorsten)
  + does waiting one week make sense ? (Xisco)
   => test over the weekend – recide RC2 or release on Tuesday (Xisco)
+ 5.3.0 RC2 update
+ bug in RC1 not being signed; patch from Tor to fix it.
+ would be a blocker for RC2 if we can’t confirm it is fixed.
+ REMINDER: please update with your features ASAP:
  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.3
+ Updated Marketing in TDF call (Sophie)
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ new build in the beta channel needing promotion to production.
+ online (Michael)
AI: + remove textwrap patch for 5.3 ? (Thorsten)

* MSDN license situation (Michael)
+ no responses from Microsoft
+ MSDN costs O($1000)/year → for one person.
+ Visual Studio is now free.
+ get Development budget line-item for buying MS / Windows licenses ?
 + not enthusiastic (Norbert)
 + Happy for OS licenses - $100 for VMs (Michael)
+ all CI builds are at 2012 and working (Norbert)
+ expected that legacy MSDN licenses are perpetual anyway (Michael)
 => no urgent action required.
+ want to pin-down the use-cases, instead of “because we used this stuff 
before” (Bjoern)
=> ask for $1k for Windows licenses.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ 3 days healing food intoxication, low productivity.
+ Many help page errors fixed after translator noticed.
   + XHP + gerrit very hard/impossible to catch typos, dups, etc..
+ More help pages fixed by Gabor Kelemen (reconnecting UI with HC)
+ Some pages completely rewritten (bad english) (Olivier)
+ Investigating more developments for HC – next-gen.

* Mac development H/W (Thorsten)
+ Sophie working on getting Macs.
+ best if TDF buys them – to have invoice with TDF name on it.
+ high-res 4k screen for Caolan
+ just buy it & get a TDF on the invoice line.
=> put this in the budget: QA team high-res display too (Xisco)
* my screen is 4K (MAC) and I can test on demand. (janI)

* UX Update (Heiko)
 + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 487(487) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
added  4(2)  13(3)  40(-1) 506(0)  
commented 46(-29)   242(-43)   846(-69)   3707(8)  
  removed  0(-1)  1(0)   9(-4)  34(0)  
 resolved  5(-8) 30(-2) 99(-5) 160(4)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Tietze, Heiko made 128 changes in 1 month, and 1930 changes in 1 year
 Foote, V Stuart made 52 changes in 1 month, and 664 changes in 1 year
 Buovjaga made 31 changes in 1 month, and 356 changes in 1 year
 Cor Nouws made 31 changes in 1 month, and 445 changes in 1 year
 Iversen, Jan made 24 changes in 1 month, and 472 changes in 1 year
 Zolnai, Tamás made 16 changes in 1 month, and 19 changes in 1 year
 tommy27 made 13 changes in 1 month, and 82 changes in 1 year
 Schäfe,r Christoph made 10 changes in 1 month, and 24 changes in 1 
year
 Philips, Yousuf made 10 changes in 1 month, and 1648 changes in 1 year
 Kelemen, Gabor made 9 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year

+ talking about Breeze as default icon set on Windows
   + G+ poll reveals ~65% acceptance, but rejected as it’s not a perfect fit
   + area style dialop patch with fix size reverted because of whitespace 
and
 hi-res trouble
 + now the controls are badly aligned again

   + new issue created as MAB tdf#105259
   + Beluga: can’t be fixed before 5.3
   + asking for help with glade (Heiko)
   + even t

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present: 
+ Stephan, Sophie, Caolan, Heiko, Kendy, JanI, Thorsten
   Markus, Miklos, Olivier, Michael M, Eike, Christian,
   Michael S, Bjoern, Bubli, Norbert
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ add GDI object use count to crash reporter (Michael)
+ turn gcc -Og on for a bit and see how it goes (Michael S)
[ turned on; a few complaints – but no show-stopping concerns yet.
  It can happen that variables are not displayed; and optimized out,
  mostly it happens for non-live variables.
  Can see in frame 17 – some var optimized out, frame 18 can be seen 
there.
 + very hard to see boolean variables optimized out (Markus)
 + don't care wrt. a enable-debug build, but a dbgutil build 
should be the best.
  Not debugged calc code - perhaps it it is worse there (Michael S)
  + configure tinderboxes to use this - gives nice stack traces. ? 
(Michael M)
 + concern wrt. full traces currently printing variables - 
mangling that (Miklos)
 + would need a reproducible scenario.
 + can try to find it again in an hour-long debugging 
session (Markus)
  => disable when we have a concrete bug report.
+ ask Tamás Bunth how he feels about Firebird default (Lionel)
[ lots of firebird bugs appear to be being fixed - great (Michael) ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ provide information for cloph on what the large Help change is (Olivier)
+ need a diff of the kind of string change, so Cloph can write a script.
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ internal conversation ongoing ]
+ move gitdm-config to gerrit (Norbert)
[ not happened yet, missing Norbert ]
+ investigate https://beta.opendocumentformat.org/testsets/all/en (Xisco)
+ improve QA Stats in the ESC minutes (Xisco)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.4.2 - next week, done by Jan
+ Venetian language: request to add.
+ made a gerrit change request; do we want to have it ?
+ already enabled on master & 5.3 - unlikely to break things.
   https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31727/
=> just merge it.
+ 5.3.0 Beta2 & branch today, libreoffice-5-3-0 branch with rc2
+ waiting for pootle to do template updates
   + must be something wrong with VM / KVM
   + can't get that going.
+ need to have a B2 for bug-hunting at the weekend.
+ Late features:
+ separating images and icons for help modules (Olivier, Bubli)
+ still waiting for Olivier's sample string change to write the 
script.
+ we need to see the impact on translators.
+ misc. PDF signing / embedding bits (Miklos)
+ now completed - and all fixes back-ported
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ master is green now.
+ will prepare a new build based on the branch-off tag
+ online (Michael)
+ branched for -5-3 – will create source tarballs.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
 + important patch from Bubli that need to go in 5.3
 + separating images and icons for help modules
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30958/
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30959/
=> defer and script properly for master; re-visit next week.
+ Cloph has script templates
+ but needs examples of the changes to the UI 
files.
  + Next: Will test screenshots make enabled by bubli
   ( https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Screenshots )
  + 12/8 the Getting Started Guide for 5.0 is released by the Brazilians
+ 
http://documentation.libreoffice.org/pt-br/portugues/guia-do-iniciante/
+ Blog post in local blogs, PR, new documentation website ready.
  + https://pt-br.blog.documentfoundation.org/
+ Community seeking more work
  + writing a spec. for BOD.
  
* UX Update (Heiko)
 + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
   256(256) (topicUI) bugs open, 494(494) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
   BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
added  2(-5) 16(-5) 61(-4) 489(-3) 
commented 14(-40)   187(-48)   926(-61)   2793(-32)
  removed  0(0)   1(0)  24(-2)  30(0)  
 resolved  6(-1) 17(1) 115(3)  133(5)  
   + top 10 contributors:
 Heiko Tietze made 40 changes in 1 month, and 515 changes in 1 year
 *UNKNOWN* made 13 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
 Samuel Mehrbrodt made 13 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year
 *UNKNOWN* made 12 changes in 1 month, and 101 changes in 1 year
 Yousuf Philips made 11 changes in 1 month, and 408

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Norbert, Michael M, Lionel, Christian, Jan-Marek, Eike, Andras,
  Caolan, Bjoern JanI, Kendy, Markus, Olivier, Stephan, Sophie,
  Miklos, Thorsten, Xisco, Heiko, Michael S, Rene, David
 
 * Completed Action Items:
+ dig out tooling on license verification for JanI (Michael)
[ open action items, move gitdm-config to gerrit (jani)
  hard work, gone back in the git log and need 500 aliases ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ a friend is looking at the topic - only needed for OS' ]
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.4 RC1 status - Nov 29th
+ next week; JanI on it.
   +  actually Cloph, I am on RC2 (janI)
+ 5.3.0 Beta1 & branch
+ tagged and built; available on early-testing.
+ request for Beta2 - that changed the API etc.
+ probably there will be a Beta2
+ do we need a new Beta2 ? (Michael)
+ on the branch already for 5-3 etc.
+ build-dir != src_dir fix in gerrit (Cloph)
+ patched locally.
+ translations pulled from pootle Mon/Tue
+ please cherry-pick all fixes to -5-3 from master (and 5-2)
+ beta1 is full languages; LibreOfficeDev variant for parallel install
+ not string freeze yet, translations might change.
+ Late features:
+ misc. PDF signing / embedding bits (Miklos)
+ Linux/macOS part is ready, some Windows fixing ongoing.
+ ODF / XFastParser merge (Michael)
+ looking a bit late -> don't think will have time.
+ Firebird by default ? (Lionel)
+ lots of missing features & big bugs fixed recently.
+ all of the blockers that were mentioned on tracking bug fixed.
+ still not hyper-excited about it as default.
+ agreed, build issues on OS/X until recently (Norbert)
=> suggest to enable this on master for 5.4
AI: + ask Tamás Bunth (Wastack) how he feels about it (Lionel)
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ tinderbox breakage, fixed
+ preparing a new build based on the branch-off tag -> app-store 
tomorrow.
+ online (Michael)
+ have a script to run before branching
+ still debugging that; expect a branch tonight.
 
* UX bits / palette licensing (Heiko/Rene)
  + is there a back-compat problem removing palettes ? (Heiko)
  + I thought not, cf. minutes passim (Michael)
  + Color palletes have been revised, Breeze added, Tango and HTML reworked
  + Libreoffice palette with branding colors should get a better naming
+ 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Renaming-the-LibreOffice-colors-td4200352.html
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104053
+ Color names: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors_(compact)
  + Remove palettes cmyk, web, gallery, palette and scribus (tdf#104047, gerrit 
31009)
  + Add artwork under CC-ND license (tdf#104052; palette CIE-HLC aka LibreColor)
  + currently realized as a hard-coded part in the programme
+ this was reverted by Tor (Rene)
  + if we don't accept a non-free CC-ND license - use an extension (Heiko)
  + if it is explicitly stated as ND (Rene)
  + has to be removed in Debian & other Linux distributions
  + significant risk to have it (Thorsten)
  + to ensure it doesn't get modified over time.
  + mixing lots of licenses is a pain (Bjoern)
  + encourage this guy to create an extension ? (Heiko)
  + for artwork CC0, or code general MPLv2 ideal (Kendy)
  + refused various times (Rene)
  + rational - prevent people changing the pallete & using the name 
(Norbert)
(but license wrong tools for the job)
  + how vital is this feature / palette ? (Michael)
  + palette used by experts for professional work (Heiko)
 + majority of users will never user it.
  + we like professional users (Norbert)
  + no way to put it into an extension at the moment (Stephan)
  + thought one of these exists already (Heiko)
  => can't include CC-ND things -> another solution needed.
  + rename, and provide as a file under a project license ?
  + provide as code instead; ok with this one ? (Heiko)
  + concern that it can't be manipulated by the user.
  + always will have some stuff not modifiable by user (Rene)
  + ok with the patch sol'n.
  + or find another way.
  + thanks for catching the issue (Michael)
  + Add more palettes? 
+ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_software_palettes
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help patches by Christina Accione, Gabor Kelemen, tagezi, Olivier 
Hallot
 + ES-documentation team woke up, translating guides
 + TDF internal activities.
 + important patch from bu

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
 + Stephan, Sophie, Andras, Caolan, JanI, Olivier, Michael M, Eike,
   Christian, Miklos, Robinson, Jan-Marek, Bjoern, Norbert, Michael S,
   Xisco, Bubli
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ dig out tooling on license verification for JanI (Michael)
 [ Script now controls last month gerrit patches daily against list of 
licenses
 Primary result 140 emails without license
 Checked names against Wiki Developers
 Result 42 emails, where I cannot find the licese, will email those 
(JanI )
   Can you run it for say the last 2 years ? (Michael)
 Need to have private legal@ pieces included ]
 yes just setting a different deltatime, private legal@ can be added
 without problems, if I know the email (janI)
+ get a small UX tweak code-change committed (Heiko)
   [ this was already 2016-10-06, see 
core_b15fef02c9311e0c160906769abbf96a96e56c73 (jani) ]
+ bisected keyword added to esc-commit-stats.pl (Xisco)
+ Jitsi - send some instructions out for next time (Michael)
[ not done, requires telephone bridge setup etc.
  Tried to create a Google G-suite account - failed horribly
   - costs 2x+ what was advertised, forces domain-name registration.
  We have a Jitsi server - but no phone bridge. ]
+ align release dates and issues, patch merging (Caolan, Cloph)
[ narrowed down to mid January now, no impact on us. ]
+ Ask beta-co-working for a couple of days before FOSDEM (Sophie)
[ Betacowork available on 6-7 February - after FOSDEM, but not before.
  Prefer before, but not enough to do anything (Eike).
  AI: will book later today (Sophie); Friday is too busy. ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ update - an ongoing issue here. ]
 
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 5.1.6 - end of line: any retrospectives ?
+ announced as final today
+ too early for a retrospective yet.
+ 5.2.3 RC2 status (janI)
+ on servers right now.
+ uploaded and announced for testing today
+ messup in Slovenian / sl translation (overridden by accident)
+ need to do an RC3 just to fix this.
+ an RC3 is prolly easier to manage on the mirrors.
+ much appreciated (Sophie)
+ need to figure out what needs to be undone / reverted etc.
+ expect tag today/tomorrow.
+ 5.3.0 alpha 1
+ announced for testing - available from mirrors.
+ build issue when signing them on Windows
+ a race - signing when file are still in-use
+ had to re-run make
+ need to isolate the root cause.
+ has the onedrive keys - but they don't work anymore.
+ apparently onedrive changed the API; needs investigating.
+ 5.3.0 Beta1 & branch - Nov 21st
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ finished building Android remotes, did review of pending patches.
+ same for Android viewer, will publish to beta channel & await 
feedback.
+ looking into the F-droid thing too.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
* New contributors Dr. Geepan on Help contents
   + (NET)WORKDAYS.INTL functions
  + Contents by Dr. Geepan
  + Help page creation by Olivier
   + More to come
* Progress in new help system (with browser) by Fabio Biocchetti
   + First patch in gerrit
  + Creation of a micro xhp-page server in javascript
  + Support from Olivier and Eike
* New author for LibeOffice books, updating Getting Started (Dave Koelmeyer)
  + revised by Olivier
  + Proofread by Hazel Hussman
 
* UX Update (Heiko)
  + Total num. of needsUXEval 470 (-2)
+ Base  1
+ Calc 35 (+1)
+ Draw 65
+ Extensions0
+ filters and storage   1
+ framework 1
+ Impress  24
+ Installation  0
+ LibreOffice 248 (-2)
+ Localization  0
+ Printing and PDF export   2 (+1)
+ UI   16
+ Writer   77
  + Silent week, organization with meta tickets ongoing

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Better-organization-of-bugs-with-meta-bugs-tp4198286.html
  + New more welcoming landing page at the wiki; next step is to update 
subsidiary sites
  + only one easy-hack with skill design currently.
  + how to get feedback ?
  + reddit - ranting; positive feedback on facebook.
  + font-management: more discussion of details.
  + Q: How to build & communicate statistics?
  + Xisco - has a nice script to parse JSON bugzilla dumps
  + can Usability re-use this script and run on VM 174 ?
  + discussed with Jan this week: no clear decision.
  + running it locally currently (Xisco)
  + what do you want to track ?
 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
 + Stephan, JanI, Michael, Heiko, Lionel, norbert, Eike, Cloph,
   Xisco, Kendy, Miklos, Sophie, Andras, Olivier, Thorsten, Jan-Marek
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ add F-droid maintenance to the TDF priorities sheet (Michael)
+ simplify & cleanup broken Windows build instructions & test (JanI)
[ done, need to check a couple of bits with Norbert tomorrow.
  asked experience devs to refrain from nit-picking:
  Done https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/lode ]
+ enable linux / system library checker on CI (Norbert)
[ not sure how to debug the heisenbugs, a simple script,
  parallelised it - claiming some internal library not there.
  script is run after the build - trying to look at the deps. ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
[ done - sent keys to Norbert from the Mac build - question if it works.
  building Alpha now with it (Norbert) ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ align release dates and issues, patch merging (Caolan, Cloph)
[ waiting on AOO decision ]
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ update - an ongoing issue here. ]
+ Ask beta-co-working for a couple of days before FOSDEM (Sophie)
[ will poke next week ].
 
* hangout issues (Michael)
+ tried to sign up for a Google Apps account.
+ don't want my money apparently - or it would be far easier.
+ E-mail on the dev-list (JanI)
+ Kobo - been testing Jitsi for a while.
+ there is one setup; QA is using it ?
+ used in the past for QA meetings (Xisco)
AI: + send some instructions out for next time (Michael)
 
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 5.1 → 5.1.6 rc2 update done, announcing today.
+ last release of 5.1.x announcement due next week
+ 5.2.3 RC2 (janI)
+ tag due Tuesday - 25th.
+ 5.3.0 alpha 1 Oct 18th
+ tag done before the call, libreoffice-5.3.0.0.alpha1
+ Nov 21st: branch-off & beta1 (Cloph)
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ still pending an update.
+ separated pootle projects but - still syncing
+ created the libreoffice-5-2 project, but copying
  in the background until Sunday.
 + apparently much faster up-stream; not updated yet.
 
* Signing Certificate /StartCom fuzz (Cloph)
+ our extended validation certificate used for signing the windows builds 
was
+ issued 2015-06-01 and is valid until 2018-05-31 (so isreali standards)
 
* Website certs (Cloph)
+ issued in March 2016, valid until March 2019
+ Mozilla to block certs issued after October 2016
  https://blog.gerv.net/2016/10/wosign-and-startcom/
 
* BitDefender false-positives (Michael)
+ tested on Window 8.1 and 10 - no issue (JanI)
   + seems like a local issue so far.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ http://documentation.libreoffice.org 99% done, 
   + awating NL support, 
   + 2 pages remaining to fill.
+ Support for Fabio Biocchetti - student, with Kendy and Osvaldo
   + Working now in a new help system (XHP + XSL + JS)
   + Need to have him involved into dev IRC and lists and meet JanI too.
+ Patch on documentation help entry finaly in (thanks to bubli, Samuel, 
Thorsten, Youssuf), tdf#96015
   + 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=core.git;a=commitdiff;h=e91a1abe4c53ea3a1ac59e3c1d5dddf98141a4ee
+ some of NLP teams - interested in books on LibreOffice
   + particularly the starting guide.
   + want to continue updating them for now.
 
* UX Update (Heiko)
  * Total number needsUXEval  472 (-2)
+ Base  1
+ Calc 34 (-2)
+ Draw 67
+ Extensions0
+ filters and storage   1
+ framework 1
+ Impress  24
+ Installation  0
+ LibreOffice 250
+ Localization  0
+ Printing and PDF export   1
+ UI   16
+ Writer   77
  * Hot topics
+ Notebookbar configuration with contextual groups
  + Ticket https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103170)
  + GDoc 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vabkHLibXBXY8SSDJ6aa17VOoVYoCNZdPBttrv9aOFU/
+ Font substitution blog post (publish or perish?)
  + Meta ticket https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103342
  + GDoc 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mbs-NW_w8lczMyMwUl5Uc0GYuhFK_KE6g7NASZBnIM0/
  * Tepid topics
+ Looking for junior dev to finalize area style dialog
  + already in 5.3 - but randomly crashes Heiko's system.
  + not just Heiko (Miklos)
  + Meta ticket https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103223
  + GDoc 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ggZQgx55y0X_WAmO9mnoauB6ABRQX_uCvzsT8uK4oBI/
  + may have a student if Bubli can help mentor (JanI)
  

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Jan-Marek, Kendy, Michael M., Olivier, JanI, Heiko, Eike, 
Miklos, Bjoern
  Christian, Robinson, Thorsten, Sophie, Xisco, Norbert, Armin, Michael S
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
[ waiting for David to up-stream it; will take a while. ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ enable linux / system library checker on CI (Norbert)
[ enabled, but some heisenbug in there ]
+ simplify & cleanup broken Windows build instructions & test (JanI)
[ in progress: test building completed, missing documentation
  are we leaving the busted intructions there ? (Michael)
  + would be good to remove that stuff
  + chocolatey has been removed (Norbert)
  + fix due by end of the week (JanI) ]
+ align release dates and issues, patch merging (Caolan, Cloph)
[ waiting on AOO decision ]
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ still chasing this one ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
   + still need to get API key, rest is done
[ no build yet, but on-track for 5.3 ]
+ Ask beta-co-working for a couple of days before FOSDEM (Sophie)
 
* hangout issues (JanI)
+ tried to get more people into the hangout.
+ can make a google apps account for 2 users; than have 25 users.
+ Eur 120 user/year.
+ Jitsi ? (Heiko)
+ hangout best ATM (JanI)
+ use it for Jay in near east, more reliable (Heiko)
+ agree the way to go - can scale to 100's of users (Thorsten)
+ only display last 3-4 that spoke in a call.
 
* Release Engineering update (JanI)
+ 5.1 → 5.1.6 rc2 (jani with help from Cloph)
+ tagging on Tuesday evening.
+ scheduled 18 October
+ 5.2.3 RC1 (Cloph)
+ tagged & built, builds on pre-release server
+ pushed to mirrors, and will announce tonight.
+ 5.2.3 RC2 - due in 2 weeks.
+ 5.3.0 alpha 1 Oct 18th
+ will tag mid-week next week.
+ Nov 21st: branch-off (Cloph)
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ query wrt. F-Droid maintenance ? (Stuart/Kendy)
+ FDroid version is pretty obsolete vs. play etc.
+ not sure who is maintaining that.
+ if someone has contact with F-droid people, can they clear it up ?
+ anyone can create an account there; but not been used ourselves.
+ initial release was by F-droid volunteer (Kendy)
+ but apparently now abandoned.
AI: + add it to the TDF priorities sheet (Michael)
+ different build variant without Android-wear support added for 
F-droid (Cloph)
+ hopefully it is done now (Kendy)
+ builds already made & provided as the minimal variant on download 
server
  
http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/sdremote-2.3.0/minimal/
 
   → no google APIs used (and thus no android wear support)
  
http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/sdremote-2.3.0/playstore/
   → the full variant, as uploaded to playstore
+ Windows Server 2016 (Cloph)
+ final version not out yet; would love to bump baseline - but not 
final yet.
+ only 100 day eval version available.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Q&A site unique for LibreOffice developers
 + https://ask.libreoffice.org/developers/questions/
 + please ask your dev questions there so we collect knowledge...
 + e.g. subjects on git, gerrit, C, C++, gbuild, etc...
 + lack of content on stack-overflow, good to get things here ?
 + hard to find things in the wiki, not found a good wiki search.
 + google+site-search is the solution (Thorsten)
 + concern wrt. the spread of documentation and how to update it (JanI)
 + not concerned wrt. immediate problem (Thorsten)
+ ask - good for very specific questions
 + new article on C++ extensions with LibreOffice (Bjoern)
 + promote it, or not ?
+ 
https://studiofreya.com/2016/10/11/integrating-libreoffice-into-c/
 + Finished http://documentation.libreoffice.org
 + minus page on join the team
 + need proper announcement
 + Set a development plan for HelpContent with Kendy
 + will build and publish a plan to improve Help Content soon
 + outline (Kendy)
 + keep the XHPs for now
 + cleanup the markup, and add markup as needed for other 
use-cases.
 + evolve the transformation more
 + sort out how to do translations
 + evolve it and use it instead of the wiki-help & off-line help.
 + also converting to larger book-like / documentation.
 + More HelpContent cleanup from Gabor Kelemen, Andras Timar, Eike Rathke, 
Caolán.
 
* UX Update (Heiko)
  * Total numbe

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Sophie, Robinson, Lionel, Caolan, Heiko, Kendy, JanI, Miklos, 
Noel,
  Olivier, David Tardon, Michael M, Christian, Michael S, Norbert, Armin,
  Thorsten, Bubli, Xisco
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ poke at missing CrashTest VM E-mails (Cloph)
[ modified the send-email script to work with gmail;
  should send a mail, manually triggered - but not done yet ]
+ get GSOC students to write plain-text help (GSOC mentors)
[ got feedback from a couple, thanks to mentors (Olivier) ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ create mentor summit proposal (Thorsten)
[ Moggi asking his teachers, any other mentors interested in going ? ]
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ waiting for a response on new process, will poke again ]
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
[ the solution proposed by David - using his query & a JSON script
  to refine it - will work - needs a bit more python (Norbert) ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
   + still need to get API key, rest is done
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2 → 5.2.1 RC2
+ now public, announce at LibO con.
+ 5.2.2 RC1 September 6th
+ next week; Jan doing that.
+ 5.1 → 5.1.6 rc1 Oct 4th
+ 5.3 → 5.3.0 alpha 1 Oct 18th
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ building a new version of the Android code, to see if it works.
+ if so push this weekend.
 
* LibreOffice Conference in Brno (Kendy)
+ if anyone had trouble booking the Hotel Vista
+ was 'booked' and wouldn't reserve at it - but is now free.
+ some big cancellation there.
+ prepare slides, make sure you've booked travel, etc.
+ register if you didn't do so already: 
http://conference.libreoffice.org/2016/registration/
+ is there some way to check if you're registered ? (Miklos)
+ if you receive the mails from the conference@global list, then 
you are registered (Sophie)
+ please make sure to register even if you are a speaker (Cloph)
+ no auto-registration there
+ Cor - asked for a list of registrations
+ Sophie to publish a list; concerns (JanI)
registered:
* Stephan
* Sophie
* Lionel
* Heiko
* Kendy
* Jani (twice :-) one for each presentation :-)
* Miklos
* Olivier
* David
* Christian
* Michael S
* Norbert
* Armin
* Thorsten
* Bubli
* Xisco
 
not registered:
* Robinson, thought I did -> [done]
* Caolàn, oops, sure I did at some stage
* Noel (not coming)
* Michael M (will do)
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Committed new help pages on CMIS
+ needs linguistic review before translation.
+ Book "Getting Started 5.2" being updated
+ Next:
+ new pages with GSOC work (thanks to mentors and students!)
+ LibOCon
+ more GS 5.2 chapter updates
 
* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten)
+ 1 student failed final evaluation
+ within the average & statistical variation.
+ happy; even failing students delivered some useful work after cleanup.
 
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ needsUXAdvice of 2016-Sep-01: Total 514 (+7), Resolved 7, Created 7
  Base  1
  Calc 14
  Draw 74
  Extensions1
  filters and storage1 (+1)
  framework 3
  Impress   9
  LibreOffice 356 (-1)
  Localization  1
  UI   14
  Writer   40 (+7)
+ Hot stuff
  * LibO as Dreamweaver/Pagemaker replacement (tdf#101772; rejected)
  + write a lot of tickets for UX advise review
  + some rejected
  + don't need another visual XML/HTML editor
  + not our primary goal
  * Cursor navigation (ctrl+up same as shift+ctrl+up; tdf#100777)
  + currently jump to the beginning of the previous paragraph.
  + flagging that those who care -> look at it (Michael)
 
* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 1 import failure, 0 export failures
  116 (last time 1680) coverity issues
 + great direction, new ones around move/assignment in C++11
 
* Hackfests (Thorsten)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Akademy / FSFE summit - coming weekend & next-week (Thorsten)
   + plan to spend half a day over the weekend in Berlin.
   + Heiko coming on Sunday, perhaps Sat. evening too.
+ more suggestions welcome
+ Code for Hamburg (Eike)
+ Friday to Sunday hacking event
  https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1999
+ Koerberstiftung: Digital Empowerment
  http://www.kampnagel.de/de/programm/datapolitics/?datum=&id_datum=4756
  
http://www.koerber-stiftung.de/innovation/im-fokus-digitale-muendigkeit.html
+ Leuphana? http://www.leuphana.de/en/research-cente

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call: 2016-08-18

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

* Present: Norbert, Sophie, Armin, Stephan, Robinson, Christian, Thorsten, 
Jan-Marek, Bjoern, Eike, Miklos, Lionel, Olivier, Heiko

* Completed Action Items:
+ fixed with 62c4a8aacf76771e97a8da35096e6ad69a11979a - was: explain the 
reason why "make debug=T" doesnt build with symbols anymore
  / bring it to some ESC when Stephan is here (Stephan / Bjoern)
+ for breeze etc. originals, find out who needs commit access & enable them 
to do it (Heiko)
+ Breeze & co. originals in git should be done 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/kendy-collabora-com-Minutes-of-ESC-call-2016-08-11-tp4190974p4190988.html
+ approve https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/27028/ and
  https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/27857/ (Cloph)

* Pending Action Items:
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ waiting for a response on new process, on holiday ? ]
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
[ the solution proposed by David - using his query & a JSON script
  to refine it - will work - needs a bit more python (Norbert) ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
   + still need to get API key, rest is done
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
+ Program committee to work on the Conf. program (Kendy, Thorsten, Italo, 
Marina)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ no release this week, rc1 last week rc2 next week (cloph)
+ all on track (cloph)
+ 5.1 → 5.1.6 rc1 Oct 4th
+ 5.2 → 5.2.1 rc2 next Tue (Aug 23rd)
+ 5.3 → 5.3.0 alpha 1 Oct 18th
+ Android & iOS Remote

* LibreOffice Conference in Brno (Kendy)
   + kendy away, anyone else?
   + shm_get: see ya there
   + erAck: prep slides!

* Membership Committee plug (Michael)
+ Please send nominations and self-nominations via e-mail to
  electi...@documentfoundation.org (which reaches the Board of
  Directors in private) and also (!) to
  board-disc...@documentfoundation.org (which is a public mailing
  list). We kindly ask nominees who would like to stand for
  elections to provide a statement of up to 75 words on their
  candidacy as continuous text (so no bullet lists or multiple
  paragraphs). In addition, please also provide your full name,
  e-mail address and your corporate affiliation, if any, and
  please announce that you will provide information on all future
  changes as soon as possible.
+ tooling uses git & is user-friendly for devs.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Help page for doc classification in.
   -> vm173.documentfoundation.org/text/swriter/classificationbar.xhp
+ Preparing help page for CMIS setup and usage
   -> Found CMIS access very slow in cmis.alfresco.com/cmisatom
   -> will install Alfresco community in laptop to study check-in/check-out 
real case
+ Writer Guide book under review by Jean Weber
+ Getting Started 5.2 open for update
   -> Community slow to jump in (vacations?).
+ Bjoern: blocking on something from dev/infra?
 + infra to put link for Q&A for 5.3, not urgent (askbot or something 
else)

* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten)
+ Next deadline is August 23rd 19:00 UTC for students to submit their work
+ Mentors then review, final deadline for mentor eval is August 29th
+ reminder - blogging at a minimum helps docs / QA teams etc.
+ !!! soft pen-down next Monday (15th), on 23rd deliver & package
+ to be frozen and delivered after that
+ important that the students deliver that on time, otherwise they'll 
be failed
+ 6 students attending the Conference
+ no news, make students document/blog wildly (Thorsten)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ from: 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/kendy-collabora-com-Minutes-of-ESC-call-2016-08-11-tp4190974p4190988.html
+ ux-advice: keep it, because many bugs are not easy to file against a 
certain component
+ tracking of needsux: sure, can do that; but many people may 
understand enhancements similar to ux, which needs to get covered (or better we 
restrict our trust in the numbers)
+ no semantic difference between "component:LibreOffice 
keyword:needsUXeval" and "component:ux-advise" (Bjoern)
+ introduced keyword, to allow component linked (Heiko)
+ component for newcomers (Heiko)
+ personally like to keep both (Heiko)
+ 350 and 150 in each bucket (Bjoern)
+ component:LibreOffice is the catch-all (Bjoern)
+ watch compoment for mailing list? (Heiko)
+ get a email for every bug change and filter (Thorsten)
+ ML create false impression there might be a discussion (Thorsten)
+ actual discussion should happen (Eike)
+ RSS Feed for query: 
https://www.bugzilla.org/features/#buglist-formats (Jan-Marek)
AI  + move component:ux-advise to component:LibreOffice keyword:UX as 
ninja-edit (R

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

 Present:
+ Jan-Marek, Michael M, Kendy, Miklos, Christian, Caolán, Robinson, jan i, 
Sophie,
  Bjoern, Heiko, Olivier, Eike, Michael S
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ re-work large-scale cosmetic change page proposal (Michael M)
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LargeScaleChanges
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ waiting for a response on new process, on holiday ? ]
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
[ the solution proposed by David - using his query & a JSON script
  to refine it - will work - needs a bit more python (Norbert) ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.1.5 and 5.2.0 released as final yesterday
+ 5.1.6 - in October
+ 5.2.1 RC1
+ due next week, tag Tuesday
+ RC2 2 week later
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ report wrt. performance regression in calc in 5.1.5 vs. 5.1.4 (Bjoern)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101213
+ Linux issue, perhaps Idle related ?
+ not PPA only - TDF builds too, apparently only on old distros.
   + glib related problem ? (Michael)
 
* LibreOffice Conference in Brno (Kendy)
+ 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/04/08/libreoffice-brno-conference-call-for-paper/
+ need to start weeding out weaker papers (Kendy)
+ and accepting people's papers.
AI: + Program committee to work on it (Kendy, Thorsten, Italo, Marina)
+ travelling to Brno -> fly to Prague / Vienna unlikely to go direct
  (BMI has a flight from Munich, others from London).
+ https://conference.libreoffice.org/2016/practical-info/general-planing/
+ Community-day -> no ESC, meet in the evening.
 
* Membership Committee plug (Michael)
+ Please send nominations and self-nominations via e-mail to
  electi...@documentfoundation.org (which reaches the Board of
  Directors in private) and also (!) to
  board-disc...@documentfoundation.org (which is a public mailing
  list). We kindly ask nominees who would like to stand for
  elections to provide a statement of up to 75 words on their
  candidacy as continuous text (so no bullet lists or multiple
  paragraphs). In addition, please also provide your full name,
  e-mail address and your corporate affiliation, if any, and
  please announce that you will provide information on all future
  changes as soon as possible.
+ tooling uses git & is user-friendly for devs.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Added patch enhancing Classification (TSCP/BAF/BAILs) help page.
+ patch in gerrit.
+ Amend patch for Menu Help->Get Help Online.
+ infra will decide where to direct it
  → hub.libreoffice.org
+ reviewing the Calc guide vs. 4.x - needs lots of updating for 5
 
* GSoC 2016 (?)
+ Next deadline is August 23rd for final evaluation.
+ reminder - blogging at a minimum helps docs / QA teams etc.
 
* Adding Breeze, Sifr, and Tango originals to LibO git / gerrit (Heiko)
+ Breeze was started by Nitro at github
   + the originals were there
   + this repo was abandoned / retired 
https://plus.google.com/+NitruxInside/posts/SoxqbwVaPjN 
   + now somewhere else. https://github.com/apachelogger/plasma-next-icons
   + do we want to store it ?
+ Sifr, Tango added later by Jay
   + improved these icon sets
   - be ideal to host them in our repo.
+ for now - only the SVG (which we don't use)
+ missing piece is ? (Michael)
   + commit access for contributors (Heiko)
+ will TDF be the maintainers or just have a copy (Cloph)
+ how well does it fit with our naming ? (Michael)
   + its LibreOffice focused anyway (Heiko)
   + so no re-naming / etc. needed
+ why not just do it in core ? (Bjoern)
   + just add the SVGs to core.git (Heiko)
+ for Elementary this is already the case (Bjoern)
=> find out who needs commit access & enable them to do it.
AI: + find out who those people are (Heiko)
+ encourage them to commit only to icon-themes/ and add SVGs.
 
* Anonymous/low reputation upvoting on ask.libreoffice (Heiko)
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101267
  + voting is not used because of the restrictive procedure (max v=11 at 7k 
views)
  + voting is just a minor additional cue to relevance, "spamming" would be 
white noise
  + get a better result if we give voting to more people ?
  + status on ask site is you need 5 karma points to up-vote (Cloph)
  + you gain 10 if your question is up-voted - so a very low bar
  + don't want spam questions to be up-voted before they use them.
  + just need to encourage people to vote (Cloph)
  => continue discussion with infra.
 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Christian, Jan I, Miklos, Armin, Caolan, David, Eike, Kendy,
  Olivier, Michael M, Heiko, Robinson, Jan-Marek, Norbert, Michael S,
  Bjoern
 
* Completed Action Items:
   + create large-scale cosmetic change page proposal (JanI)
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LargeScaleChanges 
   [ ccache not an issue (Michael)
AI: + simplify the text somewhat (Michael) ]
   + Decision needed?
+ add access for Lionel to the same Mac (Cloph)
+ talk at infra-meeting wrt. more remote Macs for devs (JanI/Norbert)
 [ no budget this year; next year maybe ].
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ waiting for a response on new process ]
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
[ the solution proposed by David - using his query & a JSON script
  to refine it - will work - needs a bit more python (Norbert) ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.1.5 RC2 status
+ been tagged & on pre-release server, announced to early-QA & QA 
mailing lists
+ will be pushed to mirrors & announced later today
+ 5.2.0 RC4 - planned as final
+ will tag late evening today.
+ will announce ~Wednesday next week
+ 4x patches waiting in gerrit - already with a review.
+ will chase on IRC.
+ Now: one review to -5-2 branch, and another two to:
+ libreoffice 5-2-0 branch
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ Android tinderbox now back and working (Miklos)
 
* Windows XP deprecation for 5.2 story ? (Cloph)
+ goal - to have the baseline be based on Windows Server 2016, and VS 2015
+ unclear if builds created with this combination will run on WinXP
+ Thorsten had a stackoverflow comment saying it should work.
+ just giving warning that if there are big hassles with WinXP API etc.
  we may drop it for 5.3 and onwards.
+ no real reason to drop it as a platform for now.
   + just want to give the advanced warning that it may go sooner (Norbert)
+ sob stories about old / stolen WinXP (Heiko)
   + no sympathy - if running a 10 year old OS, can run old LibreOffice 
(Norbert)
   + this is a meritocracy, who does the work chooses (Norbert, et. al)
+ even if we did remove it - always room for volunteers to make their own 
builds (Bjoern)
+ but no news here: we continue as before (Michael)
 
* LibreOffice Conference in Brno (Kendy)
+ 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/04/08/libreoffice-brno-conference-call-for-paper/
+ travelling to Brno -> fly to Prague / Vienna unlikely to go direct
  (BMI has a flight from Munich, others from London).
+ https://conference.libreoffice.org/2016/practical-info/general-planing/
+ Community-day -> no ESC, meet in the evening.
 
* Membership Committee plug (Michael)
+ Please send nominations and self-nominations via e-mail to
  electi...@documentfoundation.org (which reaches the Board of
  Directors in private) and also (!) to
  board-disc...@documentfoundation.org (which is a public mailing
  list). We kindly ask nominees who would like to stand for
  elections to provide a statement of up to 75 words on their
  candidacy as continuous text (so no bullet lists or multiple
  paragraphs). In addition, please also provide your full name,
  e-mail address and your corporate affiliation, if any, and
  please announce that you will provide information on all future
  changes as soon as possible.
+ tooling uses git & is user-friendly for devs.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Getting Started 5.1 under final assembly (Jean Weber)
 + Chapters "cleaned" of direct formatting - affect CAT tools (Milos Sramek)
 + Meeting with Doc' community yesterday:
+ recognising & celebrating Authors: Promote authors as we promote dev's
=> grab Mike Saunders about that.
+ Bug 96015 much appreciated: have more entries in Help menu to Doc's 
contents
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96015
   + Design team has OK'ed it.
+ Books should also be a "product" for the community as software is
   + More downloads -> more contributors to doc's
+ Some books must be translated from other languages
   + best book about Base is in German
   + get other commnuties to help in English books.
+ any thoughts on stack-exchange style pieces ? (Bjoern)
+ not brought it to the docs team yet. (Olivier)
   + approach needs to be proven.
+ will mail some more ideas.
 
* GSoC 2016 (JanI/Armin)
+ business as usual
+ Next deadline is August 23rd for final evaluation.
+ reminder - blo

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Michael S, Robinson, Caolan, David, Heiko, JanI, Jan-Marek, Miklos,
  Olivier, Michael M, Lionel, Eike, Armin, Kendy, Christian,
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ welcome Jakub T. and encourage to merge trivial changes (Miklos)
+ find the mystery Mac (from Markus) with Alex (Cloph)
 [ found one, but not built LibreOffice in a while, and XCode on
   this machine doesn't like our source, still looking at fixing
   XCode. ( http://pastie.org/10914321 )
   Firebird struggling to work on Windows but getting help (Lionel) ]
+ setup Mac machine for Base development (Cloph)
 [ granted student access, about an hour ago ]
  
* Pending Action Items:
+ create large-scale cosmetic change page proposal (JanI)
 [ planned for next week ]
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
[ the solution proposed by David - using his query & a JSON script
  to refine it - will work - needs a bit more python (Norbert) ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.0 RC3
+ built, up on mirrors, been announced to early testing etc.
+ after call will announce to the general public.
+ 5.2.0 RC4 - planned as final
+ should ship next week.
+ will tag on Thursday.
+ 5.1.5 RC2
+ will be tagged tuesday
+ Now: one review to -5-2 branch, and another two to:
+ libreoffice 5-2-0 branch
+ Android & iOS Remote
 
* LibreOffice Conference in Brno (Kendy)
+ 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/04/08/libreoffice-brno-conference-call-for-paper/
+ travelling to Brno -> fly to Prague / Vienna unlikely to go direct
  (BMI has a flight from Munich, others from London).
+ CfP closed
+ if you have something to talk about - please send a late proposal.
+ want to have an idea of who comes end of July
+ sending acceptances out already ? (Michael)
+ not yet - but vast majority of dev talks will be accepted
+ Dates here:
+ 
https://conference.libreoffice.org/2016/practical-info/general-planing/
+ Link is: 

+ Community-day -> no ESC, meet in the evening.
 
* Membership Committee plug (Michael)
+ important to encourage people to serve here
+ how to apply? (JMux)
+ will send around as/when.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Delivered last chapter for 5.1 Getting Started Book
+ under revision by Jean Weber / Hazel Russman
+ Milos Sramek cleaning direct formating of book chapters
+ important for CAT (Computer Aided Translation) such as OmegaT
+ Jean Weber will assemble the chapters into a book "Getting Started 5.1"
+ Start updating chapters for 5.2 (Olivier)
+ Will also address other Guides for 5.2 (Olivier)
   + (Re-)Build Authors team is necessary
+ Patch for adding FAQ entry in LO Help menu
   + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/27028/
+ Documentation meetings
   + happen every two weeks; next is scheduled for:
   + Wed 27th 7pm CET.
   + how to make it more attractive to get into the books ?
   + and how to make them more visible ? on download page ?
 
* GSoC 2016 (Armin)
+ Next deadline is August 23rd for final evaluation.
+ reminder - blogging at a minimum helps docs / QA teams etc.
 
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Projects are ongoing with GSOC students
+ some finished, some in a late phase
+ results are visible now.
+ talked about layers in draw with Thorsten, Regina & Jay
+ another session this Friday to perhaps finish it.
+ wrote to discussion groups about it (Armin)
+ nothing much to say
 
* Crashtest update (missing Caolan)
+ 2 import failures, 7 export failure, coverity pending
+ can't reproduce them locally, but lowish numbers.
 
* Hamburg home-hacking update (Eike)
+ met at Bjoern's place
+ student semester starts 1st Oct, lessons start ~Oct 17th
+ could we get students before busy with lessons ?
+ have it in a central place from the wikimedia foundation
+ just an idea for now; need to get permission etc.
+ widen it to general Open Source hacking; invite T-bird guy etc.
+ 3 days event ? ...
+ otherwise - some hacking & fun.
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next hackfests: nothing confirmed yet.
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Chaos event - good for outreach; at the same time as Munich.
+ Infra Meetup: July 24th to 30th, close to Munich (kaufbeuren)
+ Akademy / FSFE summit - in the week before LibOCon ? (Thorsten)
+ more suggestions welcome
 
* Mentoring/easyhack update (janI)
   + legend: contributor

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Jan-Marek, Miklos, Heiko, JanI, Michael M, Norbert,
 Christian, Robinson, Armin, Eike, Bjoern, Kendy, Michael S
 
* Completed Action Items:
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ setup Mac machine for Base development (Cloph /Norbert)
[ is a Mac there not used; but no access (Norbert)
  if knew the hostname, could check (Cloph)
  + not aware of any spare macs
AI:   + find the mystery Mac (from Markus) with Alex (Cloph) ]
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
[ the solution proposed by David - using his query & a JSON script
  to refine it - will work - needs a bit more python (Norbert) ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.1.5 RC1
+ synching to mirrors, early testing & QA list announce done.
+ will announce to the public early evening / tomorrow morning.
+ 5.2.0 RC3
+ due next Tuesday - 19th.
+ please review your patches & target branches v.s 5-2
+ Now: one review to -5-2 branch, and another two to:
+ libreoffice 5-2-0 branch
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ non-crashing builds - but bug in Android Viewer:
+ only shows top-left tile for Impress for render
+ but slide-show thumbnails not working
+ not pushed yet.
  
* When to push large-scale cosmetic changes? (Stephan)
+ e.g.  "Remove the ::
  prefix in ::std for sd"
 + large-scale cleanup patch
+ Miklos had dug out an ESC resolution that we want such only
  between libreoffice-x.y.2 tagging and libreoffice-x-(y+1) branch-
  off
+ i.e., next window between week 39 ("Release 5.2.2" at
  )
  and week 47 ("Hard feature freezed & branched
  libreoffice-5-3" at
  )
+ quite some time out.
+ postponed all these patches - which pile-up in gerrit
+ clarify if we want to go with this push window
+ how far away ? (Norbert)
+ eleven weeks away - week 39 (Norbert)
+ rule is to limit the aggravation back-porting (Norbert)
+ understand need to keep back-porting open (JanI)
+ patch lingering for months de-motivates people.
+ find a balance, 2 months or so
+ want to limit the amount of churn (Norbert)
+ not don't want them - but would like to postpone them.
+ a large cumulative effect (Michael)
+ wasted a lot of time in the past with code churn & back-porting.
+ is it an easy-hack, or own-initiative ? (Bjoern)
+ huge - but line for line (Kendy)
+ better than renaming, and splitting, etc.
+ ok with this one, but discourage this on a regular basis.
+ compromise suggested (Miklos)
+ merge what is in gerrit, but no more at this stage in release cycle.
+ how best to communicate the window ? (JanI)
+ somewhere in the release-plan / wiki ?
+ have a page in the wiki - can tell contributors.
+ the release plan is already there (Norbert)
+ ESC minutes are there.
AI: + create proposal for page to point contributors at it (JanI)
+ after x.y.2 - things open up.
+ big bulk changes auto-created (Bjoern)
+ best to present scripts.
+ we want to do these in a certain window.
+ scripts don't need re-basing etc.
+ very big bulk changes - delayed just to before next big branch 
(Michael)
+ small, localised cosmetic changes ok as a 1st easy-hack (Michael)
+ useful to clarify it (Stephan)
 
* LibreOffice Conference in Brno - CfP open (Sophie)
+ 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/04/08/libreoffice-brno-conference-call-for-paper/
+ travelling to Brno -> fly to Prague / Vienna unlikely to go direct
  (BMI has a flight from Münich, others from London).
+ Dates here:
+ 
https://conference.libreoffice.org/2016/practical-info/general-planing/
+ Link is: 

+ Deadline is -this-Friday- [!]
+ other colleagues want to speak, and already filed (Jmux)
+ filed some UX results / planning talks (Heiko)
+ joint workshop on UX / development interaction (Kendy / Heiko)
+ submitted mentoring & language tooling talk (JanI
+  (Michael)
+ CI infrastructure update / lightning perhaps (Norbert)
+ pootle + translation workflow / feedback / glade bits (Christian)
+ silverstripe / website talk (Christian)
+ state of the infra -> state 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Lionel, Robinson, Armin, Jan I, Stephan, Olivier, Miklos,
  Eike, Heiko, Thorsten, Michael M, Christian. Caolán, Michael S,
  Bjoern
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ come back with Calc / maintenance proposal (Michael)
+ E-mail GSoC students: encourage to come to LibOCon, CC mentors (Thorsten)
[ in action right now ]
+ sent GSOC list to Sophie to check registrations (jani)
+ connect Cloph + Norbert wrt. Mac & Windows machines for base 
(Lionel/Norbert/Cloph)
[ account creation for Windows done; Mac still pending sending mail 
(Cloph) ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
[ ongoing discussion ? ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.0 RC2
+ tagged yesterday
+ all builds except Win32 already up-loaded
+ Win32 just completed & will be up-loaded
+ Markus fixed the XP compatibiltiy (thanks)
+ libreoffice 5-2-0 branch
+ ensure you cherry-pick fixes to the branch
+ double review needed at this stage
+ when was it created ? (Stephan)
+ right before tagging; very early this morning (Cloph)
+ 12 patches on -5-2 branch not in -5-2-0 (Bjoern)
+ do we need to re-file ?
+ didn't review or pick changes in queue (Cloph)
+ just the XP ones.
+ please do take care of that.
+ please review your patches & target branches v.s 5-2
+ 5.1.5 rc1 : July 12th next week.
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ fixed the crashes on startup
+ builds prepared, but not up-loaded yet
+ want to test on actual devices first.
 
* tinderbox build up-loads (Michael/Robinson)
+ Two problems (Cloph)
   + packaging code missing a ';'
   + tests for some bugs failing without cleartype enabled
  + RDP connections - not working - now disabled.
  + patch here still in gerrit (Miklos)
+ patch is workaround for non-cleartype pixel counts
  + nice XML dump for text positioning is real fix (Thorsten)
   + perl send-email not working for a while (Thorsten)
  + google/SSL changes - builds not notifying.
+ http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/
+ Daily Mac builds? (Robinson)
   + only working with enable-debug configuration.
   + crashes without that; updated machine with el-Capitan
  + for master, but 5.2
   + without daily tinderbox / mac builds until we fix master crashes.
   + release builds are built on release base-line & not affected.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ delivered chapter on 5.1 Draw.
+ last chapter that is missing is Impress - with a volunteer.
+ community stimulation
+ local teams, more active than English speaking community.
+ trying to get some ideas & actions of how to encourage
  English speaking communities.
+ isn't it expected that devs write documentation ? (Heiko)
+ hard for devs to write docs (Olivier)
+ quite a gap here.
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=80430&hide_resolved=1
+ advice to give students workign on UI ?
+ producing bullet points of changes ?
+ been raised before (Olivier)
+ good to encourage students to document this stuff
+ one page on this helps; how to work with it etc.
+ can take & transform to a help page.
+ functions & featrues in calc - no line about them.
+ blog entries great - but any data is good.
+ blogs help qA & l10n too (Sophie)
+ filed a bug to add help menu entries
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96015
Added request for additional info to make it a valid EasyHack 
(jani)
 
* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten)
+ Next deadline is August 23rd for final evaluation.
+ poke & ask/encourage students to submit & register for LibOCon
+ particularly for foreign students.
=> will be re-imbursed up to Eur 1k each, for more ask mentor.
+ concern wrt. students returning to university at end of month
+ be aware & work with them etc.
+ reminder - blogging at a minimum helps docs / QA teams etc.
 
* Suggested plan for OpenCL in Calc, going ahead (Michael)
+ talked with several Calc guys: Markus, Kohei, Eike etc.
+ help->about details implemented [ good idea ]
+ existing S/W performance unit tests improved [ ongoing ]
+ meeting concerns:
+ pre-qualify OpenCL driver before its use (ideally 1st ever start)
+ move and improve tests -> before first use [ in progress ]
+ 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stefan W. (smux, muted), jan i, Sophie, Lionel, Norbert, Miklos, Stephan,
  Caolan, Michael M, Eike, Noel, Jan-Marek, Markus, Thorsten, Michael S, 
Olivier,
  Heiko, Andras, Bjoern (10 minutes in)
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ mark no-code-pointer Easy Hacks as NEEDINFO & NeedsDevEval (Heiko)
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ connect Cloph + Norbert wrt. Mac & Windows machines for base (Lionel)
 [ unable to do anything, can't find student on IRC at the same to
   give access to remote Mac / Windows machines:
   some good progress ongoing in Firebird (Lionel)
   need an SSH key and desired user-name to access a Win firewall 
(Cloph)
  + idle Swiss Mac Mini ? (Norbert)
  + JanI happy to help with Win issues. ]
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
 + if +2 by author and +1 by jenkins -> auto-push (on-going)
+ SQL query done.. but yield interesting result...
  https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/26347/  which 1/ is marked
  'not mergeable' but I can't yet detect that
  and really should not be merged anyway.. based on comments.
  + Not found a way to detect this yet.
  + That's probably a typo, he must have meant -1/-2 (Lionel)
  + in the same click foo.
  + hope is that if it gets merged this will stop (Michael)
  + says "can't merge" but not reflected in SQL table (Norbert)
  + what happens in the chron job +2 by author, but -2 by other ? 
(Lionel)
  + query - condition - is: +2 by author, and verified +1 by ci 
(Norbert)
  + has to be a committer - no non-committers can't +2
  + wise to check no -1's by anyone else.
  + also only valid on master, not elsewhere.
  + on other branches: could automate the rules (Lionel)
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2 RC2 - due July 5th (Tue next week)
+ will create libreoffice 5-2-0 branch
+ 5.1.5 rc1 : July 12th (week 28)
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ still crashes on startup.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Delivered chapter on Base for revision
+ To close the book on 5.1 - need to update base & impress
+ next is 5.2
+ Discussion with staff on how to increase Doc' visibility & Download rates 
(WIP)
+ More downloads, more public, more reads, more interest,
  better feedback/contrib/volunteers
+ a 2nd product - books; can give beside the software download.
   + can we have links in the help menu ?
   + such as books, ask etc. ?
   + easy to do - poke UX guys too (Michael)
+ Blog post
+ asking for new people to show up:

https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/06/29/libreoffice-documentation-join-us-in-this-adventure/
+ two new people showed up already
 
* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten)
+ Everyone passed at Mid-Term
+ progress looks good.
+ next deadline is mid/end August for final evaluation.
+ poke & ask/encourage students to submit & register for LibOCon
+ particularly for foreign students.
=> will be re-imbursed up to Eur 1k each, for more ask mentor.
+ blogging encouraged too ! with screenshot would be good.
+ talked to UX students (Heiko)
+ not having time to come to the conference.
AI: + send E-mail to ask & encourage (Thorsten)
 
* Disable OpenCL by default in Calc (Markus, Eike)
+ Quite a lot of nasty bugs with OpenCL (Markus)
+ hard to reproduce them
+ three different code-paths to calculate
+ Hard to reproduce the bugs
+ Tracker bug (Michael)
+ 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=97391&hide_resolved=1
+ 23 bugs over all time, 6 open currently, 4 needinfo 2 un-confirmed.
+ Crashes:
+ bad - but mis-calculation worse (Eike, Michael)
+ not spotted mis-calculations are worst.
+ need to avoid them.
+ Concern (Markus)
+ quality, and rate of bug fixing.
+ OpenCL - suggested improvements: (Michael)
+ test it when we 1st ever start - before we do real calcs.
+ OpenCLZone - cf. GL stuff to turn off on crash.
+ more active maintenance.
+ currently 3 different code-paths (Markus)
+ don't know which one we're using.
+ don't like the S/W interpreter.
+ Sw/Interp. (Michael)
+ only used for subset of ocAcc, ocSub, ocMul, ocDiv, ocSum, ocProduct
+ much faster.
+ Tor just accelerated the CPU S/W vs. OCL testing (Michael)
+ don't see value of it for the proj

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Bjoern, Norbert, Stephan, Jan I, Jan-Marek, Sophie, Miklos, Michael S,
  Robinson, Christian, Caolan, David, Kendy, Olivier, Thorsten, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:
+ fix / limit the per-processor thread-pool (Ashod)
[ set to max 4 during unit tests ]
AI: + back-port it to 5-1 and -5-2 (Ash)
+ mail list of guys for certification (Stephan)
[ all mailed, all accepted ].
+ mail Laurent BP, Rishabh Kumar, Alex Pantecthem wrt. commit (Thorsten)
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
 + if +2 by author and +1 by jenkins -> auto-push (on-going)
 [ some problem; stream events don't contain both +1 and +2 -
   a bit complicated; needs a query (Norbert) ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2 Beta 2 update
+ also available on the mirrors
+ not doing an (optional) B3 this week
+ one pending Debian packaging bug - one file in multiple packages
+ also a problem with help related to authoring extension.
+ RC1 due on Tuesday ... (June 21st - English string & UI freeze)
+ libreoffice-5-2-0 branch-off: July 5 (hard code freeze) - rc2
+ 5.1.4 update
+ up-loaded 5.1.4 rc2 just before the call.
+ 5.1.5 rc1 : July 12th (week 28)
+ Caolan will fix the help strings issue (Caolan)
+ happy (Cloph)
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ Android viewer has runtime problems, will debug & push a fix (Cloph)
+ crashes when loading documents on master currently ...
+ releases are from master so far.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Finished porting HelpAuthoring OOo schema documentation to TDF wiki:
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HelpContentAuthoring
-> e.g. updated with  new tag (Olivier, tagezi)
+ readable; and now can be edited to improve it.
+ Updated chapter 10 (Print, Export, Mail) of Getting started book.
 
* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten)
+ June 26th - midterm eval due, make sure it's filed or ask your co-mentor!
+ if in doubt ask Thorsten/Moggi/JanI
+ ask/encourage students to submit & register for LibOCon
 
* UX Update (Kendy)
+ GSoC reports on progress
+ wider discussion on templates - how they should be managed
+ when is it better to open it for editing vs. opening a doc. based on 
it.
+ how can we distinguish it better.
+ Area-fill & side-bar improvements going well.
+ latest writer menu changes
+ max. of 20 items for menu - some important stuff goes to sub-menus
+ a poll going on to have some input from people.
+ discussing auto-creation of screenshots.
 
* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 1 import failures, 3 export failure, 0 coverity
+ ok again; not reproducible failures - fails on test machines, not locally.
+ looking at backtraces in BZ - down to 12 still open
+ Moggi's crash testing producing good stuff.
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next hackfests: nothing confirmed yet.
+ Hamburg Home-hacking setup ? (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Chaos event - good for outreach; at the same time as Munich.
+ Infra Meetup: July 24th to 30th, close to Munich (kaufbeuren)
+ Akademy / FSFE summit - in the week before LibOCon ? (Thorsten)
+ more suggestions welcome
+ Autumn / week-long Home-Hacking in Hamburg with students? (Bjoern)
+ advertise at university ? C++ training ? etc.
 
* LibreOffice Conference in Brno - CfP open (Sophie)
+ Kendy & Thorsten on program committee:
+ 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/04/08/libreoffice-brno-conference-call-for-paper/
+ deadline is mid July.
+ OSBA interop. working group (Thorsten)
+ desire a professional user track cf. Bern.
+ got some good feedback;
+ will propose it to the conf. organizers.
+ 1/2 a day of that.
 
* Mentoring/easyhack update (janI)
   + legend: contributors are not-yet-committers, numbers in () are +/- 
compared to last week
   + summary:
   17357(0) commits in a year of which 8801(-34) were made directly, 
without use of gerrit
   293(0) people made commits in a year, 32(-15) in a month. 38(10) people 
to be emailed
   + gerrit:   committer open  65(10)  contributor open  48(-13)
   updated merged   abandoned   updated  mergedabandoned
year:   65(10) 7142(112) 562(1)  48(-13)  1414(-78)  476(-2)
month:  64(9)   974(12)   40(2)  47(-14)   164(-3)39(0)
week:   51(13)  202(-19)   8(0)  33(-4) 42(2) 11(-1)
   + easyHacks:
total 229(-9) open 201(-5) assigned 18(-4)
needinfo 10(0) needsDevEval 474(5) needsUXEval 90(16)
missing 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Armin, Lionel, Sophie, Stephan, Andras, Bjoern, Caolan, Kendy, Eike,
  Miklos, Olivier, Thorsten, Michael M, Michael S, Norbert
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ suggest concrete way ahead to clean up SfxItemSet::Put(nWhich) (Oliver)
 [ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/24324/ - updated patch, seem
   to have a way ahead; Thorsten to chase -2 away ]
+ give out Barn-Stars https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Barnstars/2016-05 
(All)
 [ seven given out - not a big up-take yet (Bjoern)
   + badges are more successful, 250 awarded ...
   + these are scripted / auto-generated
   + perhaps more preparation in advance next time ]
+ investigate clobberring glew instead of lots of #ifdefs: (Marco, Oliver)
 [ glew guy wants us to use not-glew ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ investigate a chron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
 + if +2 by author and +1 by jenkins -> auto-push
 [ Miklos pointed at something very similar ]
+ connect to David Ostrovsky to fuse gerrit with vm173 (Olivier)
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian on IRC)
+ 5.2 Beta 1
+ tag done, builds in progress
=> 5.2 is Feature Frozen 
+ tripple review for new features
+ Bug Hunting session expected for RC1 (Sophie)
+ poke Cloph wrt. troublesome GL commits in RC1 ? (Kendy)
+ recent fix from Tomaz; if you force GL / problems.
+ unclear if it appears for lots of people.
+ Cloph agreed to get a hot-fix (Kendy)
+ 5.1.4 RC1
+ deadline is Tues next week (22)
+ Android & iOS Remote
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Patches in Helpcontent, found by translating HC into other languages
+ Update for Getting started Guide chapter on Base, Impress and Draw 
(on-going)
   + Support for newcomers that are not familiar with documentation
+ Improvements in HC online (pending)
+ Wrote some "Easy Doc" for Italian students in a trainee program.
+ Weekly Doc' team call
   + happens on Wednesdays at 19:00 Berlin time.
   + a hangout + pad etc.
   + minutes to documentation, l10n, projects list etc.
 
* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten)
+ all students there & working - going well; no early drop-outs
+ encourage more public showing / discussion / blogging !
   + try to encourage people to do that on the lists / public IRC
+ Can we please open a BZ issue for each GSoC project, allowing us to track 
the commits etc easily  ? (jani)
   + This is something we can use in outreach, as it will document sucesses.
   => unclear what's hard about tracking git commits per author (Michael)
   + measure bug-fix commits by grokking git patches (Michael)
   => punt to next week & JanI
+ have now at least 2x mentors for each project (Thorsten)
 
* UX Update (Kendy)
+ not in the last meeting; but:
+ talked wrt. GSOC progress
+ Heiko continuing to sort draw bugs based on survey
 
* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 3 import failure, 4 export failure, 0 coverity
+ first successful coverity run after the fall-through break
+ file test set the same - so recent issues.
+ fuzzing still burning CPU
+ tool claims it goes 'blue' when covered enough
   + no blues yet.
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next hackfests:
+ Germany, Munich, LiMux; End of May 2016 (Jan-Marek)
+ Orga: https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2016/05/de/Munich
+ 27-29 May (parallel to the Debian Sun Camp)
+ Starting tomorrow !
   + Bubli & Mike Saunders going.
   + kitchen / menu look awesome, so does the line-up (Thorsten)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Chaos event - good for outreach; at the same time as Munich.
+ https://www.froscon.de/en/home/Flosscon in Bonn, Germany
   + August - 2 weeks before LibreOffice conference ?
  + perhaps piggy-back on their rooms.
  + like FOSDEM at a university etc.
+ https://2016.guadec.org/ in Karlsruhe, Germany (3 weeks before LO 
conf)
+ Akademy / FSFE summit - in the week before LibOCon ? (Thorsten)
+ more suggestions welcome
+ Autumn / week-long Home-Hacking in Hamburg with students? (Bjoern)
+ advertise at university ? C++ training ? etc.
 
* LibreOffice Conference in Brno - CfP open (Sophie)
+ Kendy & Thorsten on program committee:
+ 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/04/08/libreoffice-brno-conference-call-for-paper/
+ deadline is mid July.

* Mentoring/easyhack update (janI)
   + legend: contributors are not-yet-committers, numbers in () are +/- 
compared to last week
   + summary:
   17357(-126) 

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Norbert, Thorsten, Caolan, Bjoern, Christian, Kendy, jani,
  Michael M, Miklos, Eike, Sophie, Robinson, Olivier, Armin
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ hunt down co-mentors for Zoner / Calc, Orcus, ODF styles (Thorsten)
[ done except for Firebird (needs a volunteer ;)) ]
+ build a plan for publishing the HTML documentation (Olivier, Kendy)
[ done, and published, and integrated with pootle too ].
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ connect to David Ostrovsky to connect gerrit to pootle (Olivier)
+ suggest concrete way ahead to clean up SfxItemSet::Put(nWhich) (Oliver)
 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/24324/
+ give out Barn-Stars https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Barnstars/2016-05 
(All)
+ investigate clobberring glew instead of lots of #ifdefs: (Marco, Oliver)
 [ pending time to re-visit ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2 Beta 1
+ next week for 5.2
+ UI for OSX - can't un-hide rulers - reports from QA.
+ bisect repos for Mac ? (Michael)
+ apparently a recent change in last 5 days (Cloph)
+ 24th May - feature freeze
+ getting close! Tuesday 
+ Late Features ?
+ nothing obvious.
+ 5.1.4 RC1
+ deadline is early week 22
+ going well; 6-7 patches in the queue for review.
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ viewer & remote update expected.
+ rotating / pulsating status bits for searching / discovery ?
  https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/25034/
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ delivered update of Ch 5 for documentation.
+ hangout with docs guys
+ getting the team together.
+ help content patch merging
+ touched the online help
+ looking for a technical solution for an issue
+ need to prepare a detailed problem report.
+ XSLT - not so trivial to explain.
+ concerned help is a sub-module
+ but images eg. screenshots are in the main repo.
+ if want to make help-content richer:
+ need to add video / gifs / etc.
+ don't want that in the core (Olivier, Thorsten)
+ easy to extend with an additional protocol (Kendy)
+ not in images.zip
+ for images, not so trivial; but - two storages is do-able.
+ help exclusive images -> help sub-project (Olivier)
+ Helpcontent modernization meta bug: 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97629
 
* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten)
+ community bonding period ends end of this week: May, 22nd
+ if your student disappeared - shout now otherwise ...
 
* UX Update (Kendy)
+ missed the call, but they discussed including new sets of custom-shape
+ no concrete conclusion yet.
+ UI easy-hacks that need code-pointers
+ mark 'needs dev-eval' topic-UI.
 
* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 0 import failure, 5 export failure, mis-built coverity, next slot tomorrow
+ not reality checked the export failures
+ coverity:
+ cppasserts not detected as asserts
+ looks like we don't get problems from fall-through.
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ hole in the summer, not much going on.
+ next hackfests:
+ Germany, Munich, LiMux; End of May 2016 (Jan-Marek)
+ Orga: https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2016/05/de/Munich
+ 27-29 May (parallel to the Debian Sun Camp)
+ anyone going to Munich ? (Thorsten)
   + perhaps some CIB guys.
   + Mike Saunders is close & interested (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Chaos event - good for outreach; at the same time as Munich.
+ https://www.froscon.de/en/home/Flosscon in Bonn, Germany
   + August - 2 weeks before LibreOffice conference ?
  + perhaps piggy-back on their rooms.
  + like FOSDEM at a university etc.
+ https://2016.guadec.org/ in Karlsruhe, Germany (3 weeks before LO 
conf)
+ more suggestions welcome
+ Autumn / week-long Home-Hacking in Hamburg with students? (Bjoern)
+ advertise at university ? C++ training ? etc.
 
* LibreOffice Conference in Brno - CfP open (Sophie)
+ Kendy & Thorsten on program committee:
+ 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/04/08/libreoffice-brno-conference-call-for-paper/
+ deadline is mid July.

* Mentoring/easyhack update (janI)
   + legend: contributors are not-yet-committers, numbers in () are +/- 
compared to last week
   + summary:
   17483(-180) commits in a year of which 9497(-293) were made directly, 
without use of gerrit
   294(1) people made commits in a year, 68(-2) in a month, 34(-3) in a 
week, 0(0) to be emailed
   + gerrit:   committer open  55(4)

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ JanI, mmeeks, Stephan, Thorsten, Robinson, Sophie, Armin, Norbert
  Caolan, Kendy, Christian, Miklos, Olivier, Bjoern

* Completed Action Items:
+ send ESC composition refresh to BOD for vote (Michael)
 [ rubber stamp still pending ]
+ ask QA to re-test http://tdf.io/mmregressions (Robinson)
 [ re-tested some, at least 10 open still,
   found different behaviors on the Mac side too ]
+ send invitation mail for Jochen Nitschke (JanI)
+ script XML / l10n string translation changes (Christian)
 [ cleaned up, except for non-pootle langs, .po file
   translators need to run the script themselves ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ build a plan for publishing the HTML documentation (Olivier, Kendy)
+ investigate clobberring glew instead of lots of #ifdefs: (Marco, Oliver)
 [ glew up-stream not hyper-enthusiastic, considering options. ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.0.6 RC3
+ including openSSL update, published as final last week.
+ 5.1.3 RC2 status
+ also has updated openSSL; announced today.
+ 5.2 Beta 1
+ week after next for 5.2
+ 24th May - feature freeze
+ getting close! 1.5 weeks away
+ OpenGL bug fixed by Tomaz - master working better.
+ 5.1.4 RC1
+ deadline is early week 22
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ no regular release this week
+ expect an Android view & remote update ...
 
* BarnStars (Bjoern)
+ month of contribution running now:
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Barnstars/2016-05
+ other badges auto-generated from tools, but Barnstars are manual
+ if see someone doing something nice, and want to award one,
  now is a great time - go to the wiki page, and copy/paste the template
+ expand it from Eike, Bjoern & Mike.
+ a generic love-in ? (Michael)
+ so many people do awesome things
+ anything goes - praise anyone (Bjoern)
+ idea from wikipedia.
+ good to reach-out to newer people (Bjoern)
+ expect not to see ESC members awarding each other, but rather 
towards newcomers
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Lots of things happening
+ updated help-content with the latest additions
+ hangout last-week with volunteers - updating getting started guide.
+ chapter 5/6
+ made available a way to edit help files on-line
+ built a web-site, showing help-files directly in the browser
+ put a small editor on top of it; not WYSIWYG but interesting
+ can get edits back to gerrit in future ?
+ awesome (Kendy)
+ how to preserve authorship & preserve permissions
+ talk with David O - I'm sure he has input (Kendy)
+ Pootle <-> help website connection from Christian
+ so translators can see the context of their strings
+ e.g. 
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/de/libo_help/translate/shared.po#unit=28671720
  → String in context on vm173 
http://vm173.documentfoundation.org/text/shared/3dsettings_toolbar.xhp 
  (realized using client-side javascript)
+ 500k words in help-content: solves much of the problem.
+ get more context anyway in help than UI (Sophie)
   + still need Deckard pieces for UI strings clearly.
+ local Brazilian work to translate documentation ongoing.

* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten)
+ community bonding period until May, 22nd
+ still need back-up mentors for some tasks
- firebird
- zoner draw filter
- odf styles in calc / orcus
+ would love mentors here:
+ interested to help out with firebird (Caolan)
+ will hunt down committers in those areas (Thorsten)
+ give a couple of weeks for volunteers.
 
* UX Update (Kendy/Bubli)
+ new blog-post welcoming GOSC students:
+ 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/05/09/welcome-gsoc-students/
+ no meeting the last week.
 
* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 1 import failure, 1 export failure, 7 coverity
+ numbers exploded for a week or so, but now back down
  to a pair
+ Stephan working on missing 'breaks' on the compiler side
+ may give us a spike in warnings; lets see.
+ found five places - genuinely missing breaks (Stephan)
+ some quite long-standing, some recent.
+ a clang warning - but where you want to fall-through,
  need a C++-17 annotation for that.
+ new SAL_FALLTHROUGH macro that will do that.
 
* Ankara update (Michael)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Ankara2016
+ Markus, Jmux, Michael ...
+ day of C++ training
+ updated the learning the code slides
+ got some patches out and som

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Lionel, Stephan, Norbert, Sophie, Armin, Kendy, Michael M,
  Thorsten, Caolan, Jan I, Andras, Eike, Christian, Miklos,
  Michael S, Olivier, Bjoern
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ setup GSOC proposal ranking spreadsheet (Michael)
+ add UI guys as reviewers for gerrit UI patches (JanI)
+ switch lcov profiling config to --system-nss (Norbert)
 [ did but didn't solve the problem ]
AI:poke again at the lcov problem on tb31 ? (Bjoern)
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ investigate clobberring glew instead of lots of #ifdefs: (Marco, Oliver)
 [ have a patch that makes glew not have any dependencies thanks to 
Marco
   waiting for up-stream review of that - it is invasive-ish as a patch,
   as changes generated headers (Michael)
   https://github.com/nigels-com/glew/pull/84 ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ ask QA to re-test http://tdf.io/mmregressions (Robinson)
 [ testing underway ]
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
+ script XML / l10n string translation changes (Christian)
 [ still pending => ignore translating it for now (Cloph) ].
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.0.6
+ RC1 tagged built & being pushed to mirrors
+ not all patches integrated, some were waiting for -5-0
   + 7 patches in total.
   + now needs tripple review 1x for -5-0 and 2x for 5-0-6
+ RC2 - due for tagging in 2 weeks - April 26th.
+ 5.1.3 RC1 - due April 18th
+ due next ~Tuesday
+ 5.2 Alpha 1 - ~end of week Thur of April 18th
+ a milestone for early testing.
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ Material-design theming bits
 + needed some re-write to avoid breaking min. version compat.
 + more patches coming in too.
 + do we keep orange/yellow or green + animations etc.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Got vm173.documentfoundation.org to play with XHP+XSLT. Issue on 
mime-type to fix (INNE - I'm no nginx expert).
+ Getting Started guides under review by ODFAuthors team (Preface, 
Introduction, Setup, Style&Templates)
+ Patches in help (write+submit and cherry-pick+verify+submit)
+ Support newcomer for writing helpcontent.
+ Community work: pt-BR team starting translation with OmegaT (I'm 
supporting them remotely)
 
* l10n (Sophie)
+ all going well, Cloph has removed the 4.3 and 4.4 projects from pootle
+ for langs mentioned on ML
   + old ones are used as proposals (Cloph)
 
* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten)
+ Ranking ~done in spreadsheet
+ pretty obvious in some ways.
+ We have submitted a slot ask - we got 11 slots (JanI)
+ We have until the 20th to choose which students (Thorsten)
+ still time for ranking - but 1st come 1st served for students.
   + org that clicks first gets the student.
+ concerned wrt. lack of time given for ranking (Michael)
   + can we do a partial acceptance ? (Norbert)
   + top 9 already accepted by Markus (Thorsten)
+ decided between the remaining three inside the call.

** Do not communicate results with students **
 
* UX Update (Kendy)
+ nothing v. substantial in the call.
+ small meeting; just Kendy / Jay / Heiko.
+ sometimes 7 sometimes 3.
 
* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 1 import failures, 1 export failures, 3 coverity
+ whack-amole of incoming changes continues
+ continuing work on hunspell.
+ how is fuzzing going ? (Norbert)
+ intermittent results from many CPU weeks (Caolan)
 
* Gran Canaria hack-fest update (Thorsten)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/LibreOffice_Espania_Summit
+ one day of three with students
+ five people learning various things wrt. LibreOffice hacking
+ some Java extension / python macro bits.
+ community: nice to get people in a room
+ same conclusion as last year from TDF side.
+ not convinced wrt. new students.
+ good meetings (JanI)
+ Xisco + students - planned an event in Madrid later this year.
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Ankara, Turkey
+ April 30th - May 1st.
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Ankara2016
+ plan do an overview talk on Friday with Markus & any interest 
(Michael)
+ Germany, Munich, LiMux; End of May 2016 (Jan-Marek)
+ Orga: https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2016/05/de/Munich
+ 27-29 May (parallel to the Debian Sun Camp)
AI: + poke at hack-fest candidate list (Bjoern)
 
* Mentoring Update (JanI)
+ closed work on GSoC
+ prepping new vm to be used for mentoring statistics, and contributor help
+ automating daily manual work as a cron job.
+ total: 135 ( open gerrit patches of which 83 are mergeable
+ contri

[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Norbert, Sophie, jani, Armin, Thorsten, Bjoern, Kendy, Miklos,
  Robinson, Stephan, Eike, Jacobo, Olivier, Michael S, Michael M
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ UI changes from non-committers in gerrit: post list to UX team (Kendy)
 [ ~impossible to find these in gerrit
   if you see it; please add Yousuf Philips & Adolfo Jayme Barrientos
   as reviewers.
   does have -owner in gerrit ? (Bjoern)
   + yep - but lots of non-UI (Kendy)
   + ok with doing that (JanI).
7 open right now, will update them shortly. ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
+ script XML / l10n string translation changes (Christian)
 [ still pending => ignore translating it for now (Cloph) ].
+ provide Italo some data:
"thanks to 10,000 UI survey respondants in last year" (Kendy)
+ investigate clobberring glew instead of lots of #ifdefs: (Oliver, Moggi)
 [ patch merged without account of ESC feedback (Michael)
   + apologies for _accidental_ premature merge here (Thorsten)
   + after fixing android build found t-box not running (Miklos)
   Oliver on vacation this week (Thorsten)
   Marco working on improving glew (Michael)
   + Plan to revert most of that & switch to a glew based approach 
when done
   Concern wrt. run-time configuration (Thorsten)
   + stuff that will never work with S/W openGL - why build & ship 
it ?
   + adds fat to something that doesn't need it.
   + why force OGL charts on everyone.
   + still up for OpenGL only as a future.
   Goal to have a custom installation ? (Kendy)
   + pkg maintainers like a minimal installation too
   + something that has to be re-compiled: lower value.
   + if able; compile just once - completely headless.
   + right - but the usual runtime optional feature is a separate 
shared library / uno component (Thorsten)
prefers to have technical details hashed out by people working on 
that part (Thorsten)
 ]
 
* Release Engineering update (JanI)
+ 5.0.6 RC1 - due April 12th.
+ approaching 5.0.6 - last release (Bjoern)
  + would be good to fix bibisected regressions (Writer only for 
starters)
between 4.4 and 5.0.6
  + mail on the list.
+ 5.1.2.2 (RC2) - due March 29th: Tuesday morning.
   + done, due to problems
  + some windows / firebird problems.
 + VM - failed on firebird; debugging why.
  + Cloph made win/lin binaries
   + push to mirrors outstanding
+ Android & iOS Remote
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Chapter 2 "Setting up LibreOffice" updated to 5.1 in Draft LO 5.1 
@ODFAuthors
+ Missing information on OpenCL & LO for documentation purposes, CMIS too
+ Patches committed into helpcontent2/
+ Patches submitted to gerrit for review
+ some infra pieces need addressing too.
+ one XSLT thing to add (Kendy)
   + like re-using original XSLT approach
   + should be possible not to have to touch the existing XHPs
   + can do this in javascript.
   + XHPs should be improved (Olivier)
   + eg. using MathML to draw equations in help.
   + happy with JS if necessary.
  + will be for indexing (Kendy)
 
* l10n (Sophie)
+ work ongoing, no problems.
 
* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten/JanI)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ 3 admin volunteers: janI, Moggi, Thorsten
+ Still have many proposals to evaluate
+ Quality as usual, but enough good proposals to keep mentors busy
+ Some mentors still have not pressed "I want to mentor" button
+ go press this button on at least one student.
AI: + accept invite for mentoring (Muthu)
+ April 1st (no joke) last day for submitting easyHacks
+ April 11th, last day for slot requests
+ need to be reviewed by this date.
+ propose deadline of next week for accepting mentoring (JanI)
+ poking on IRC etc. appreciated in advance (Bjoern)
+ go to https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/dashboard/
+ and review - please check the proposals for
  those with a title of your idea.
+ If you have multiple google accounts and pressing login just throws 
you
  back at the page, going to plus.google.com, click on your ava in the 
top
  left corner, click "add account" to get to another acocunt, and than 
it
  'obviously' might work better ...
+ we will want an ordering - done in a spreadsheet or somesuch later, post 
initial 'want to mentor' deadline.
 
* UX Update (Kendy)
+ missed the meeti

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Jan-Marek, Bjoern, janI, Armin, Robinson, Miklos, Michael M,
  Cloph, Eike, Kendy, Andras, Caolan, Lionel, Muthu, Sophie, Olivier
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ write to Firebird people (Lionel)
 [ we should move to Firebird 3.0
   which will be future-proofed, and is at RC2.
   Encourage a GSOC student to apply themselves here.
   Upstream answer on compiler support
   
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2016-March/073774.html
]
+ disable Firebird for now, for CI (Norbert)
+ write to Dennis Francis wrt. commit access (Eike)
+ build clearer 'kill scp2' proposal (Bjoern)
 + JanI planned a spare-time hack here:
 + punt for 3 months, then reevaluate progress,
   create self-assigned RM ticket? (Bjoern)
+ double-check duplicate libmar/src, update/src (Kendy)
 [ interest from a student to work on it, Easy Hack created and
   a gerrit patch ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ UI changes from non-committers in gerrit: post list to UX team (Kendy)
 [ in progress ]
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
+ script XML / l10n string translation changes (Christian)
 [ lots of context changes in profiles; will build a script
   to auto-translate, mainly affects 'Basic' documentation
   => ignore that for now; due to fixing syntax errors in there (Cloph) 
].
 
* Release Engineering update (Cloph/JanI)
+ 5.0.6 RC1 - due April 12th.
+ 5.1.2.1 (RC1) - on Tuesday - March 15th
+ tag created
+ there was a 5.1.2.1-buildfix1 tag.
+ builds on pre-releases
+ RC2 will be tagged by JanI
+ Defunct feature bits:
+ New Slide Transitions: polish
[ looking pretty good now ]
+ UserAgent display & tweakage
[ merged & fixed by cloph ]
+ JanI setup extra build server, to act a RE backup
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ updates still planned
+ ARM one builds fine, but x86 assertion failure on build.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ up-loaded a patch to the dev-tools wrt. tweaking the XSL file
+ needs gerrit approval.
+ can it be pushed to the help repository (Kendy)
+ already have scripts there etc.
+ need to sit with Jay - who has another concept here (Kendy)
+ we have 3x parsers: Python, PHP, XSLT
+ python goes -> wiki-syntax
+ put others next to that.
+ don't check help-files in, just XSLT (Michael)
+ asks from meeting with Spanish & Brazilian community
+ waiting for official English / Reference docs.
+ want things TDF branded
+ and like more in-depth information.
+ working on documenting new features in help.
+ surely we have very detailed, in-depth books (Michael)
+ yes, lots of generic information.
+ still have un-documented features.
+ totally un-documented, or in the wiki, on ask ? (Bjoern)
   + books of ODF Authors & Help System (Olivier)
   + have gaps in both.
+ Books vs. Help ? (Michael)
+ done lots of help (Olivier)
   + now starting to look into the Books,
   + some of them are on 4.0 and need updates.
   + Books many chapters, describing lots of features.
   + Help a starting point for a quick view -> detail in Books.
+ is asking on 'ask' a good resource for getting input ? (Bjoern)
   + help to generate input there.
 
* l10n (Sophie)
+ great that Cloph will help with the help.
 
* GSoC 2016 (JanI)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ 3 admin volunteers: janI, Moggi, Thorsten
+ Encouraged by some good newbies so far (Michael)
+ next important date, march 25, proposals must be agreed with mentors
+ mentors should be helping students to take care with proposals.
+ mentors: please make sure patches from your students are merged, or 
commented
 
* Firebird update
   + upgrade to Firebird 3.0 and hope for the best?
 
* UX Update (Kendy/Bubli)
+ single line toolbar discussed
+ can use the approach planned for notebookbar
+ have a possible GSoC student for this
+ OS X toolbar
+ currently trying to look 'native', but uses a strange API
+ seems better to use a solid color
+ but maybe there is a better API to use?
 
* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 2 import failures, 0 export failures, 7 coverity
+ next run of coverity in few hours
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Ankara, Turkey
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Ankara2016
+ talked to them; lots of enthusiasm & desire for training.
+ suggested date: 2016-04-30
+ hope to go & do an ov

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Lionel, Jan-Marek, Muthu, janI, Norbert, Michael M, Armin,
  Kendy, Jacobo, Eike, Miklos, Sophie, Bubli, Bjoern, Varun, Olivier.
  Caolan, Norbert
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ poke a GSOC admin if you didn't get the mentoring invitation mail (All)
[ all mentors registered (JanI) ]
+ switch easy-hack to turn: OSL_DEBUG_LEVEL > 1 to
  OSL_DEBUG_LEVEL > 0 (Bjoern)
[ one perfect hack reverted; because not liked ]
+ write a cheat-sheet & mail to Armin (Norbert)
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ build clearer 'kill scp2' proposal (JanI interested) (Bjoern)
+ UI changes from non-committers in gerrit: post list to UX team (Kendy)
 [ assigned to kendy (was on vacation) and push to list ]
+ double-check duplicate libmar/src, update/src (Kendy)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
  on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (JanI)
+ got the chance to do a 2nd build (JanI)
+ "helped" make 5.1.1 final, publish to mirrors this morning etc
+ announced & on mirrors etc.
+ 5.0.6 RC1 - due April 12th.
+ 5.1.2 RC1 - on Tuesday - March 15th
+ Late Features (for 5.1.2)
+ New Slide Transitions: polish
[ ... debugging & work - some Intel fixing ]
+ UserAgent display & tweakage
[ still not done ... ]
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ updates still planned
 
* Gerrit update (Norbert)
+ updated to 2.11.7 and then 2.11.8
   + reasonably smooth in-place update
+ google auth ? (Michael)
+ planned to install a plugin (Norbert)
+ requires some registration
+ built some nice stats (Norbert)
+ 62,717 commits across all repos (in 2015)
+ Jenkins numbers:
+ core.git - ~61,000 builds
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New help pages for OpenGL, and functions: FORECAST.ETS.*(ohallot), menus 
updates (S. Horacek, Y. Phillips).
+ math textbook reading fun.
+ New templates for translation (pot files) with too many changes
only help files (janI)
+ Many strings are the same content but with xml tags placed differently
+ same visual result
+ issues with translators ahead, must find support for a script to 
fix this
   => need a script to undo this; or un-fuzzy-them.
+ some IRC discussions.
+ another volunteer on list (Kendy)
+ great outreach from Sophie.
+ does it make sense to have regular hangouts / meetings ?
+ time hard: NZs, Canadians, Brazilians, Europeans etc.
 
* l10n (Sophie)
+ will ask on the l10n list wrt. scripting
+ developer support appreciated.
+ how urgent is it ?
+ since 5.2 is due in August - so plenty.
+ is it only po files, or UI files too ? (JanI)
+ only help files; for pt_BR: 57k new words to review.
+ can compare 5.1 vs. master dbs (JanI)
AI: + unwind / script changes here (Christian)
 
* GSoC 2016 (JanI)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ 3 admin volunteers: janI, Moggi, Thorsten
+ next important date, march 25, proposals must be agreed with mentors
+ mentors should be helping students to take care with proposals.
 
* UX Update (Kendy/Bubli)
+ Heiko and Kendy out on Friday.
   + didn't take place.
+ lots of GSOC / UI hackers -> working hard on easy-hacks (Bubli)
   + nice work in the sidebar.
   + more mentors for GSOC / UI tasks appreciated.
 
* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 1 import failures, 0 export failures, 9 coverity
   + much improved, 1 issue in Calc.
   + coverity way down, expecting a new number soon.
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Ankara, Turkey
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Ankara2016
+ talked to them; lots of enthusiasm & desire for training.
+ suggested date: 2016-04-30
+ hope to go & do an overview talk first (Michael)
+ DavidO hoping to go
+ Gran Canaria hack-fest (Thorsten)
+ April 6-8th (7-9th) possibly
+ Plan is to craft it according to the Japanese
  Mini-Conference, with a broader local community appeal

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/LibreOffice_Espania_Summit
+ announced on Spanish list (janI)
+ Germany, Munich, LiMux; End of May 2016 (Jan-Marek)
+ Orga: https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2016/05/de/Munich
+ Weekend doodle: 
https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/LiMux_Hackfest_May_2016/
+ 19-21 or 27-29
+ closes next Mon -> select weekend.
 
* Mentoring Update (JanI)
+ gerrit: 182 open patches of which 117 can be merged if no open comments
   97 from contributors of which 59 can be merged if 

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Christian, Muthu, Sophie, Stephan, Eike, Norbert, Bjoern, Robinson, janI,
  Caolan, Michael, Andars, Kendy, Olivier, David, Miklos, Michael S, Armin,
  Thorsten, Bubli, Jan-Marek
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ submit development budget to board (Bjoern)
+ encourage Turkish hack-fest date confirmation (Bjoern)
+ April 30th -> May 1st.
+ update release plan for 5.2 and 5.3 (Christian)
[ added to the wiki and udpated 5.1 version to account for RC3 ]
+ setup a tinderbox VM for VS. 2015 (Christian)
[ being setup now, planned to hook-up later today ]
+ create the 5.1 projects for pootle (Christian)
[ are being created and synching now - should be available later
  then will trigger an update for the template project ]
+ talk around the gerrit update with Norbert (Cloph)
[ gerrit update delayed by the need for 5.1.1.3
  planned to update it in-place this weekend (Norbert)
  + was updating to Debian 8 base-line
  + requires creating a new machine etc.
  + will update in-line instead for now. ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ UI changes from non-committers in gerrit: post list to UX team (Kendy)
 [ assigned to kendy and push to list ]
+ double-check duplicate libmar/src, update/src (Kendy)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian/JanI)
+ got the chance to do a 2nd build (JanI)
+ 5.0.6 RC1 - due April 12th.
+ 5.1.2 RC1 week 11, March 15th
+ planned to be done by Jan
+ Late Features (for 5.1.2)
+ New Slide Transitions: polish
[ ... debugging & work - some Intel fixing ]
+ UserAgent display & tweakage
[ still not done ... ]
+ documentation update planned.
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ updates still planned
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ asking for help on the list to build docs around new features
+ contacted a couple of new guys interested in helping out there
+ setting up internal tooling, keys etc.
+ branching of translations ?
+ since 5.1 - there are lots of new pages in the help
  that need translation
+ is 5.1 stable in terms of translation ?
+ new pages arrive in master.
+ already branched translations (Cloph)
+ bug in rc2 tag that made people think there was an issue.
=> why we had RC3 - there is no issue, move along.
+ pootle is currently being filled up as of now
+ tomorrow it will be done: separate master & 5.1 branches.
+ changes on master will not harm translators.
 
* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten, JanI)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ 3 admin volunteers: janI, Moggi, Thorsten
+ next step - mid next month: opens for students to apply.
+ last chance to add new GSoC ideas
+ people without projects to mentor: Eike, Caolan, Michael M, Norbert, 
Andras
+ if you did not get a mentor invite ping us
+ unclear quite where to sign-up; not seen a mail (Bjoern)
  + subject: "GSoC 2016: Invitation to be a Mentor for LibreOffice" from 

AI:   + poke an admin if you didn't get the memo (All)
 resent mail to Bjoern and Michael (janI)
 
* UX Update (Kendy)
+ statistics being built from the draw survey by Heiko
+ last meeting - finalized the sidebar survey
+ if you have a view - please participate.
+ where do surveys show up ? (Michael)
+ on the planet ?
+ design blog should be subscribed & shows up (Kendy)
+ 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/02/26/what-do-you-expect-from-the-sidebar-in-libreoffice/
+ budget requests from design & docs team
+ lots of GSOC talk.
+ interest there, but need mentors.
 
* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 6 import failures, 0 export failures, 31 coverity
+ new coverity numbers expected by tomorrow
+ expected to shrink.
+ coverity - expected to halve, removed lots of Java bits.
 
* drop gstreamer 0.10/bump baseline (tdf#94508) (Bjoern)
+ are there parallel installable packages for 1.0 for CentOS6 ? (Michael)
+ don't know if we have packages (Caolan)
AI: + attempt to re-build a recent 1.0 / core spec file on CentOS6 (Cloph)
+ if that fails, abandon it; use a distro package ?
 
* development budget, late addition: "kill scp2" tender (Bjoern)
+ proposal to tender to kill scp2.
+ has lots of windows installer logic included
+ 15k under-maintained LOC
+ problems caused like GL file-list missing
+ do-able from releng, or tender it ?
+ is it split-able into easy-hacks ? (Kendy)
+ already have auto-install one (Bjoern)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90753
+ are there somewhat mechanical steps ? (Kendy)
+ converted 50 files - and happy !
+ some - like auto-insta

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
 + Michael, Kendy, Olivier, Bjoern,Stephan, Caolán, Eike, Robinson, Norbert,
  Sophie, Armin, Christian, Michael S, jan I, Miklos, Muthu
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ fixed EasyHacks not showing up (JanI, Christian)
+ Review JanI's GSOC submission (Thorsten)
[ reviewed submitted ]
+ create a tender to improve fonts for the board (Design Team)
 [ Francisco Adrián S. who raised the problem with Carlito and Caladea 
fonts,
   hope to collect it into a tenderable form -
AI:and poke Google & RedHat too ? (Kendy, Caolan) ]
   + Parag Nemade  is 
google-crosextra-[caladea|carlito]-fonts maintainer
+ come up with a hackfest 2016 travel estimate (Bjoern)
+ 2015 numbers and participant counts (unaffiliated, non TDF-members:
- Las Palmas 1127.32EUR for  8 (1,  1 )
- Cambridge  1193.70EUR for 14 (1,  1 )
- Hamburg 112.75EUR for 20 (4, 12+) (plus two job interviews, 
not included)
- Madrid  752.80EUR for  7 (1,  3 )
- FOSDEMN/A
 
AI: + submit below to board: (Bjoern)
+ 2016 budget proposal:
- Las Palmas 1000 Eur
- Turkey 2000 Eur
- Hamburg 500 Eur
- Spain? 1000 Eur
- US/Boston? 1000 Eur
- FOSDEM 3500 Eur
- Foss Asia  1500 Eur
- DLP1000 Eur
- gerrit conf1000 Eur
- speaker/booth swag  500 Eur
[ added after meeting - for newbies - T-shirts etc. ]
- Hardware3000 Eur
- indiv dev. H/w SSDs, Macs, 
AI:   move it to the right place (Norbert)
+ talk with Norbert and hand doxygen generation over to sysadmin (Miklos)
+ build dev. SSD, PC, Mac, headsets budget (Michael)
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ UI changes from non-committers in gerrit: post list to UX team (Kendy)
 [ assigned to kendy and push to list ]
+ double-check duplicate libmar/src, update/src (Kendy)
+ update release plan for 5.2 and 5.3 (Christian)
+ setup a tinderbox VM for VS. 2015 (Christian)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian/JanI)
+ improved the releng instructions
+ tagged & builds being done.
+ will further improve docs together next week
+ 5.0.6 RC1 - due April 12th.
+ 5.1.1 RC2 due this week
+ first build with Jan - prolly tag will be Wed to avoid late nights.
 Tagging done, build pending (janI)
+ Late Features (for 5.1.2)
+ New Slide Transitions: polish
[ ... debugging & work - some Intel fixing ]
+ UserAgent display & tweakage
[ still not done ... ]
+ URL for the online documentation needs change (Bjoern)
[ still pending ]
+ concern wrt. features (Norbert)
+ somewhat un-panicy release (Bjoern)
+ nothing major happening (Michael)
+ 5.1.2 RC1 week 11, March 15th
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ updates planned after build prep.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ hacking XML files - and built a site with helpcontent.
+ trying to have it directly available in a browser.
+ http://hc3.edx.srv.br
 + not ready yet.
+ different to wikihelp ? (Michael)
+ another approach; can make pages richer.
+ currently mimic help file.
+ can we have it in dev-tools ? (Kendy)
+ plan not to touch XHP files, just:
+ transform & display in browser.
+ some additions to documentation:
+ new help files for some new calc functions
+ changes in UI getting updated in the help.
+ someone new on docs mailing-list (Kendy)
+ can you welcome & mentor ?
 
* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten, JanI)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ 3 admin volunteers: janI, Moggi, Thorsten
+ Application filed and available on wiki, for later years (janI)
+ next step - mid next month: opens for students to apply.
 
* UX Update (Kendy)
+ some time discussing the side-bar & its width
+ a survey coming out on what users expect & want there.
+ Q - what happens when MS Office opens a doc with Carlito ?
+ when export to word we have a fallback for that (Caolan)
+ VCL.xcu - font name graveyard (Michael)
 
* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 11 import failures, 1 export failures, 49 coverity
  + import odp new EmptyProperties assert
 + docs were prolly wrong in the past.
  + export odp recurse to death in svg reader
  + import svg recurse to death issues
 + waiting for help from Xisco
+ coverity run underway, hoping for sub 20 result
   + Stephan fixing Java-ness left & right.
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Ankara, Turke

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Norbert, Stephan, Miklos, Bjoern, Eike, Christian, JanI, Robinson,
  Jacobo, Noel, Caolan, Michael S, David
 
* Completed Action Items:
+ drop CC of dev-list on easy-hacks (JanI)
[  + and CC himself.
  Robinson is looking into that, requires admin privs (jani)
  Done (Robinson) ]
+ GSOC application submission (JanI)
AI: [ Review it (Thorsten) ]
+ Update/fix: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas 
(All)
[ looks good (JanI) ]
+ send Xisco a welcome to committers E-mail (Bjoern)
+ build new easy-hacks reportage into
  dev-tools/scripts/esc-bug-stats.pl ONO (JanI)
[ written and included here ].
+ add wiki page for Turkish hack-fest (Bjoern)
[ draft at: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Ankara2016
  (date and location not yet confirmed) - April/May dates open ? ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
+ UI changes from non-committers: post list to UX team (Kendy)
+ double-check duplicate libmar/src, update/src (Kendy)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
* no release plan in wiki for 5.2, 5.3 ...
AI: [ update planned tomorrow cloning 5.0 and 5.1 ? (Cloph) ]
+ 5.0.5 released Monday on website.
+ not ideal wrt. security (Bjoern)
+ we setup embargo date - but by that date we hadn't released.
+ need to improve this.
+ agreed; missed delayed 5.0.5 (Cloph)
+ not aware of the delay
+ delayed by having 5.1 delayed
=> all Michael's fault again :-) (Norbert)
+ any process to improve tracking ? (Michael)
+ announced we'd do silent updated anyway (Bjoern)
+ so set embargo dates to be a week later.
+ 5.0.6 RC1 - due April 12th.
+ 5.1.1 RC2 due next week
+ first build with Jan - prolly tag will be Wed to avoid late nights.
+ Late Features:
+ New Slide Transitions: polish
[ ... debugging & work - some Intel fixing ]
+ UserAgent display & tweakage
[ still not done ... ]
+ URL for the online documentation needs change (Bjoern)
[ still pending ]
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ updates planned after testing.
 
* Documentation (Kendy)
 
* GSoC 2016 (Thorsten, JanI)
+ Suggestion for Org. descrtiption and application pending review
- There is a question about failure rate I cannot answer (jani)
- Texts need to be controlled to ensure they represent the correct 
opinion (jani)
+ Urgent: please update & fix before Feb 8th:
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ 3 admin volunteers: JanIV, Moggi, Thorsten
 
* MSVC 14.0 / Drop MSVC 12.0 on master (DavidO)
 + Improvement of C++14/C++17 standard
 + bit rotted on master: dozen compilation errors
 + Add Tinderbox to verify that it still works
 + After release of 5.1 consider to discontinue support for MSVC 12.0 on 
master
 * Looks like it's impossible to manage the switch period
 * both compilers could be installed (?) on the same machine, to still 
use old compiler on 5.1
 + Duplicated Python 3.3/3.5 trees, because upstream dropped support for 
MSVC 12.0
 + plan was to use Windows Server 2016 + update baseline (Cloph)
 + can setup the tech. preview 4 of Win. Server 2016 & have a t-box.
 + but not convinced on deprecation yet.
 + does 5.0 build with VS 2015 ? (Norbert)

   + No. Requires Python 3.5

 Only build on master

 + if so, with the 2x new Windows box showing up
+ install VS 2015 there.
 + then take two others off-line & upgrade them too.
 + even on master - with just VS 2015 - still have issues (Miklos)
 + would be good for now to have a tinderbox to stop it breaking.
 + not fond of multiple versions of compiler (Norbert)
 + can hide problems.
 + concerned we test with only the new compiler (Miklos)
 + new Win boxes physically arrived
 + being moved around at Manitu right now with Alex.
 => put Win Server 2016 Preview 4 + VS 2015
 - and bring them on-line and see how it goes.
 + if problems building with 5.0 and 5.1 - re-think.
 + is it confirmed 5.0 builds with VS 2015 ? (Norbert)
 + No. Requires Python 3.5
   Only build on master
 + only 1x release left of 5.0.x - anyway (Cloph)
 + to mid April/May.
 => defer update until then.
 + can we somehow restore Thorsten's t-box vs. 2015 ? (Michael)
 + Thorsten's TB was shut down because of devenv.exe invocation
   (mst__ has an idea how to fix it?)
  + no idea (mst).
 + migrating slaves of jenkins infra - is a bigger deal - needs a single
   toolchain that builds all relevant versions (Norbert).
AI:  =