[proletar] great.pretender2000 itu Nasrani munafik.....(wRe: Bangsa Israel itu memang
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, johny indon johny_in...@... wrote: lu pasti kecewa, karena jusfiq ngga mungkin berdampingan dgn reza. ... Eloe yg be'gajul luh ! P'gimana orang mo bela arep haram jadah, mreka bilang ok dah dame selama seminggu ama israel...baru dua hari udah bilang gitu, eh...udah nyambit lagi tetangga ! Gua sih kasian aja sama si Jusfiq, ngapain gitu ngbela si arep. Doi mo bisa apa kalo arep itu gak karuan. Boss nya bilang begini, anak buahnya gak nurut. Yg gua bikin mules klakuan si Sur itu, ni orang latah banget sih heh ? Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: BBC : Gaza doctor's loss grips Israelis
Ni orang kayaknya beotak anjing juga... Dalam perng penduduk sipil tidak boleh dikorbankan.. Akan halnya kitab suci taik kucing itu tidak berbukti isinya benar... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, jasadlelaki jasadlel...@... wrote: --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, gsuryana gsuryana@ wrote: kepada pendukung Israel hanya karena nubuat dari alkitab taik kebo yang harus dibakar agar bau dan ajaranya tidak kemana mana ), sialan beneran pendukung Israel. sur. sur, pagi-pagi waktu amerika gini kok sdh marah-marah? siapa para pendukung israel itu? belumlah tentu semua orang2 Kristen. marah pun dikau gak akan pernah menyumbangkan solusi. apalagi kalau hanya menyalah-nyalahkan kitab kepercayaan orang lain termasuk kitab kepercayaanku sendiri. sedangkan dikau mempercayai kitab 'sgk' yang isinya hanya canda dan gak jelas juntrungannya itu aku, atau kami orang2 Kristen ini tak mengejekmu. keadaan ini gak lebih hancur daripada pristiwa g30s pki. musuh yg membunuh rakyat sendiri, lempar batu sembunyi tangan. di dalam negeri sendiri(dari sdr sendiri). hal itu jauh lebih kejam...kejam...dan teramat licik dan teramat biadab...!!! kalau israel masih menyerang lawan, masih dianggap normal. mana ada pernah peperangan di bumi ini pilih2 bulu kalau mau menyerang? semuanya pastilah dihantam. kalau boleh kelincimu yang masih kecil, yang masih merah dan yg baru keluar dari pantat induknya pun di-embat habis2n. itu lah resiko perang, apa boleh buat... si jasad. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] great.pretender2000 itu Nasrani munafik.....(wRe: Bangsa Israel itu memang
Ade Kim Hook itu emang manusia berotak binatang Dia tidak tahu bahwa orang Arab itu juga adalah manusia... Dan punya hak yang sama dengan orang lain... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, kim3hook kim3h...@... wrote: --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, johny indon johny_indon@ wrote: lu pasti kecewa, karena jusfiq ngga mungkin berdampingan dgn reza. ... Eloe yg be'gajul luh ! P'gimana orang mo bela arep haram jadah, mreka bilang ok dah dame selama seminggu ama israel...baru dua hari udah bilang gitu, eh...udah nyambit lagi tetangga ! Gua sih kasian aja sama si Jusfiq, ngapain gitu ngbela si arep. Doi mo bisa apa kalo arep itu gak karuan. Boss nya bilang begini, anak buahnya gak nurut. Yg gua bikin mules klakuan si Sur itu, ni orang latah banget sih heh ? Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] BBC : Israel to probe phosphorus claims
BBC NEWS Israel to probe phosphorus claims The Israeli army is to investigate claims it used white phosphorus illegally during its three-week offensive in Gaza. The move follows numerous allegations by rights groups and in media reports that the army fired phosphorus shells where they could harm civilians. The UN said its headquarters were hit by three such shells causing a fire destroying much of its aid supplies. White phosphorus is legal for making smokescreens on a battlefield. The Israeli army says all its weapons in the Gaza offensive were entirely legal, but until now has refused to specify which weapons it used. White phosphorus sticks to human skin and will burn right through to the bone, causing death or leaving survivors with painful wounds which are slow to heal. Its ingestion or inhalation can also be fatal. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/in_depth/7841999.stm Published: 2009/01/21 10:56:59 GMT © BBC MMIX --- Jusfiq Hadjar gelar Sutan Maradjo Lelo Allah yang disembah orang Islam tipikal dan yang digambarkan oleh al-Mushaf itu dungu, buas, kejam, keji, ganas, zalim lagi biadab hanyalah Allah fiktif. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Omongan anjing Anjing Nasrani yang ingkar terhadap gereja mereka....
Beberapa anjing Nasrani diberbagai mailing list yang saya ikuti menyamakan serangan Israel ke Gaza sebagai reaksi Israel terhadap tembakan roket Hamas seperti reaksi orang yang marah rumhnya disambitin. Analogi taik anjing. Omaongan manusia berotak anjing. Pertama Israel itu didirikan enam puluh tahun yang lalu, tanpa seizin penduduk Palestina yang beragama Islam dan Nasrani dan sekarang orang Palestina itu menjadi pengungsi di Gaza atau negeri lain.. Mereka menuntut keadilan. Kedua: Gaza itu diblokade oleh Israel, hingga Gaza itu lebih mirip dengan kamp konsentrasi (ini istilah Vatikan)... Saya tidak mengatakan Hamas berlasan untuk meluncurkana roket, tapi analogi yang dipakai orang Nasrani berotak anjign itu adalah anologi taik anjing. Dan bila blokade itu dihentikan Hamas juga tidak akan punya dalih untuk meluncurkan roketnya. --- Jusfiq Hadjar gelar Sutan Maradjo Lelo Allah yang disembah orang Islam tipikal dan yang digambarkan oleh al-Mushaf itu dungu, buas, kejam, keji, ganas, zalim lagi biadab hanyalah Allah fiktif. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Siapa pun presidennya, takkan merubah wajah Palestina
Lihatlah dulu tindakan Obama sebelum memberikan penilaian... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Hare Krishna haree.chri...@... wrote: Mencermati sikap politik luar negri Obama: *Siapa pun presidennya, takkan merubah wajah Palestina* date written: 21 Januari 2009, 01:17 WIB Gedung pusat politik Amerika Serikat (AS) itu penuh sesak! Jutaan warga AS dari seluruh pelosok memadati Capitol Hill, Washington, Selasa (20/1) siang waktu setempat, menyaksikan parade inagurasi pelantikan terpilih AS, Barack Hussein Obama. Obama resmi dilantik menjadi presiden ke-44 AS, sekaligus menjadi presiden pertama AS keturunan Afrika-Amerika. Dalam cuaca dingin mendekati nol derajat celcius, Obama diambil sumpah, di tengah kekhawatiran memburuknya perekonomian AS dan tingginya harapan perubahan yang dibawanya. Puncak perayaan pelantikan Obama-Joe Bidden adalah tradisi doa pagi di Gereja St. John's Espicopal, melintasi Taman Lavayette yang terletak di belakang Gedung Putih, dan berakhir dengan pesta dansa dalam perayaan 10 bola inagurasi hingga larut malam. Setelah berdoa di Gereja St. John's Espicopal, Obama dan Istri, Michelle, diundang coffe morning bersama oleh Presiden George W Bush dan istri, Laura di Gedung Putih. Tepat pukul 12.00, Obama melangkah ke sisi barat Capitol untuk diambil sumpahnya. Dalam pidato perdananya setelah dilantik, Obama menyinggung soal Krisis ekonomi dalam negeri Amerika, yang saat ini membuat tingkat pengangguran meningkat. Dalam kesempatan itu Obama juga mengemukakan sikap politik luar negerinya dengan menjanjikan perdamaian bagi Irak dan Afganistan. Obama juga menyatakan bahwa, AS merupakan negara bagi semua agama, baik itu Kristen, Islam, Yahudi, Hindu dan non-agama. Bagi dunia Muslim, kami ingin mencari sebuah jalan baru, berdasarkan kepentingan bersama dan saling menghormati, katanya. Akan tetapi, sungguh sangat disayangkan Obama tidak menyebutkan secara spesifik soal Gaza, meski pun sebelumnya Gaza menjadi isu sentral terpenting, dimana seluruh negara-negara di dunia mengecam tindakan sadis Israel atas penduduk sipil Palestina. Ia hanya menyatakan bahwa siapa pun yang mencapai tujuannya dengan cara terror dan membunuh orang-orang tak berdosa, Kami katakan sekarang bahwa semangat kami lebih kuat dan tidak bisa dikalahkan. Anda tidak bisa menjatuhkan kami, dan kami akan mengalahkan Anda. Entah kepada siapa pernyataan Obama tersebut diarahkan: kepada Israelkah atau kepada rival-rival Amerika yang telah di-cap sebagai terroris selama pemerintahan presiden Bush? Boleh jadi, lobi kaum Zionis yang berpengaruh di Capitol Hill, yaitu American Israel Public Affairs Commitee (AIPAC), awal Juni 2008 lalu, telah memperingatkan Obama sehingga ia harus tetap diam dalam hal konflik Gaza. Empat hari jelang acara pesta pelantikan itu, mesin-mesin perang Israel, yang mencerminkan kedekatan Israel dan AS - sebagian besar buatan AS - seperti F-15, F-16, rudal-rudal dan helikopter Apache, tiba-tiba berhenti meraung. Israel mengumumkan gencatan senjata sepihak pada Sabtu (17/1), untuk menghormati upacara pelantikan presiden AS terpilih itu. Selanjutnya, sangat mudah ditebak: perhatian dunia beralih ke negeri Paman Sam, setelah belakangan seluruh mata dunia menyoroti parade kekejaman Israel di Palestina selama tiga minggu yang membunuhi lebih dari 1,300 warga sipil Palestina dan melukai ribuan lainnya. Entah skenario apalagi yang bakal digelar oleh persekongkolan Zionis Israel-Amerika. Strategi jitu Zionis Israel untuk keluar dari tekanan dunia internasional akibat ulahnya membunuhi ribuan rakyat sipil Palestina, nampaknya berhasil, yaitu dengan cara memanfaatkan momentum penting bangsa Amerika! Skenario pengalihan perhatian dunia pada konflik Palestina yang dilakoni kaum Zionis ini nampaknya serupa dengan skenario pengalihan opini dunia atas kasus yang sama beberapa tahun silam; tatkala Zionis Israel menuai petaka di bumi Palestina tahun 2000 lalu. Kecaman dunia Internasional berhasil dialihkan kaum Zionis dengan membuat skenario pengeboman Gedung WTC, pada 11 September 2001. Segala upaya dilakukan Zionis Israel untuk melepaskan diri dari tekanan dunia internasional meski harus membuat skenario tragedi bagi bangsa Amerika. Masih segar dalam ingatan kita tatkala gedung kembar WTC runtuh. Kehancuran salah satu gedung tertinggi di dunia tempat ribuan orang berlalu-lalang melakukan transaksi bisnis sehari-hari itu, mengundang kesedihan yang mendalam bagi rakyat Amerika. Setiap orang yang mempunyai perasaan sensitif terhadap rasa kemanusiaan langsung mengutuk keras aksi terorisme yang konon menelan ribuan jiwa itu. Miliyuner asal Afganistan yang juga merupakan buronan no. 1 FBI, Osama bin Laden dituduh berada di belakang aksi terrorisme itu. Skenario selanjutnya adalah negara-negara di dunia disatukan oleh tragedi bangsa Amerika itu di bawah komando Amerka, dalam rangka memerangi terrorisme Islam;
[proletar] Siapa pun presidennya, takkan merubah wajah Palestina
Mencermati sikap politik luar negri Obama: *Siapa pun presidennya, takkan merubah wajah Palestina* date written: 21 Januari 2009, 01:17 WIB Gedung pusat politik Amerika Serikat (AS) itu penuh sesak! Jutaan warga AS dari seluruh pelosok memadati Capitol Hill, Washington, Selasa (20/1) siang waktu setempat, menyaksikan parade inagurasi pelantikan terpilih AS, Barack Hussein Obama. Obama resmi dilantik menjadi presiden ke-44 AS, sekaligus menjadi presiden pertama AS keturunan Afrika-Amerika. Dalam cuaca dingin mendekati nol derajat celcius, Obama diambil sumpah, di tengah kekhawatiran memburuknya perekonomian AS dan tingginya harapan perubahan yang dibawanya. Puncak perayaan pelantikan Obama-Joe Bidden adalah tradisi doa pagi di Gereja St. John's Espicopal, melintasi Taman Lavayette yang terletak di belakang Gedung Putih, dan berakhir dengan pesta dansa dalam perayaan 10 bola inagurasi hingga larut malam. Setelah berdoa di Gereja St. John's Espicopal, Obama dan Istri, Michelle, diundang coffe morning bersama oleh Presiden George W Bush dan istri, Laura di Gedung Putih. Tepat pukul 12.00, Obama melangkah ke sisi barat Capitol untuk diambil sumpahnya. Dalam pidato perdananya setelah dilantik, Obama menyinggung soal Krisis ekonomi dalam negeri Amerika, yang saat ini membuat tingkat pengangguran meningkat. Dalam kesempatan itu Obama juga mengemukakan sikap politik luar negerinya dengan menjanjikan perdamaian bagi Irak dan Afganistan. Obama juga menyatakan bahwa, AS merupakan negara bagi semua agama, baik itu Kristen, Islam, Yahudi, Hindu dan non-agama. Bagi dunia Muslim, kami ingin mencari sebuah jalan baru, berdasarkan kepentingan bersama dan saling menghormati, katanya. Akan tetapi, sungguh sangat disayangkan Obama tidak menyebutkan secara spesifik soal Gaza, meski pun sebelumnya Gaza menjadi isu sentral terpenting, dimana seluruh negara-negara di dunia mengecam tindakan sadis Israel atas penduduk sipil Palestina. Ia hanya menyatakan bahwa siapa pun yang mencapai tujuannya dengan cara terror dan membunuh orang-orang tak berdosa, Kami katakan sekarang bahwa semangat kami lebih kuat dan tidak bisa dikalahkan. Anda tidak bisa menjatuhkan kami, dan kami akan mengalahkan Anda. Entah kepada siapa pernyataan Obama tersebut diarahkan: kepada Israelkah atau kepada rival-rival Amerika yang telah di-cap sebagai terroris selama pemerintahan presiden Bush? Boleh jadi, lobi kaum Zionis yang berpengaruh di Capitol Hill, yaitu American Israel Public Affairs Commitee (AIPAC), awal Juni 2008 lalu, telah memperingatkan Obama sehingga ia harus tetap diam dalam hal konflik Gaza. Empat hari jelang acara pesta pelantikan itu, mesin-mesin perang Israel, yang mencerminkan kedekatan Israel dan AS - sebagian besar buatan AS - seperti F-15, F-16, rudal-rudal dan helikopter Apache, tiba-tiba berhenti meraung. Israel mengumumkan gencatan senjata sepihak pada Sabtu (17/1), untuk menghormati upacara pelantikan presiden AS terpilih itu. Selanjutnya, sangat mudah ditebak: perhatian dunia beralih ke negeri Paman Sam, setelah belakangan seluruh mata dunia menyoroti parade kekejaman Israel di Palestina selama tiga minggu yang membunuhi lebih dari 1,300 warga sipil Palestina dan melukai ribuan lainnya. Entah skenario apalagi yang bakal digelar oleh persekongkolan Zionis Israel-Amerika. Strategi jitu Zionis Israel untuk keluar dari tekanan dunia internasional akibat ulahnya membunuhi ribuan rakyat sipil Palestina, nampaknya berhasil, yaitu dengan cara memanfaatkan momentum penting bangsa Amerika! Skenario pengalihan perhatian dunia pada konflik Palestina yang dilakoni kaum Zionis ini nampaknya serupa dengan skenario pengalihan opini dunia atas kasus yang sama beberapa tahun silam; tatkala Zionis Israel menuai petaka di bumi Palestina tahun 2000 lalu. Kecaman dunia Internasional berhasil dialihkan kaum Zionis dengan membuat skenario pengeboman Gedung WTC, pada 11 September 2001. Segala upaya dilakukan Zionis Israel untuk melepaskan diri dari tekanan dunia internasional meski harus membuat skenario tragedi bagi bangsa Amerika. Masih segar dalam ingatan kita tatkala gedung kembar WTC runtuh. Kehancuran salah satu gedung tertinggi di dunia tempat ribuan orang berlalu-lalang melakukan transaksi bisnis sehari-hari itu, mengundang kesedihan yang mendalam bagi rakyat Amerika. Setiap orang yang mempunyai perasaan sensitif terhadap rasa kemanusiaan langsung mengutuk keras aksi terorisme yang konon menelan ribuan jiwa itu. Miliyuner asal Afganistan yang juga merupakan buronan no. 1 FBI, Osama bin Laden dituduh berada di belakang aksi terrorisme itu. Skenario selanjutnya adalah negara-negara di dunia disatukan oleh tragedi bangsa Amerika itu di bawah komando Amerka, dalam rangka memerangi terrorisme Islam; dan ujung-ujungnya Zionis melalui Amerika melakukan agresi militer besar-besaran terhadap Irak dan Afganistan dengan dalih 'terrorisme'. Di sisi lain hal ini semakin mempermudah bagi kaum Zionis menuai petaka atas rival-rival
[proletar] kim3hook yang berotak anjing ....Re: Jadi apa hasilnya?
kim3hook yang berotak anjing ikut)-ikut pertanyaan orang nggak waras... Kurang makan selama beberapa waktu itu tidak berarti jadi kurus... Ni orang emang bangsat. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, kim3hook kim3h...@... wrote: --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, utusan.allah utusan.allah@ Jawab dong Fiq, jangan sumpah serapah doang. Kekurangan makanan tapi koq montok-montok ? Itu yg musti dijawab, bukannya kaya si bonobo yg menta di entot jerapah, murang-muring mulu. wrote: Anjing. Yang membunuh penduduk Gaza adalah serdadu israel.. Anjing. Bangsat. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ki_sabdopalon ki_sabdopalon@ wrote: Ngomong-ngomong, rakyat Palestina kan sedang menderita kekurangan segala sesuatu termasuk bahan makanan. Tapi pemimpin-pemimpin hamas kok gemuk-gemuk ya? Tidak terlihat sedikitpun mereka kekurangan sesuatu. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] پویش دعوت از خاتمی
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[proletar] پویش دعوت از خاتمی
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[proletar] پویش دعوت از خاتمی
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[proletar] The Independent: Gaza: 'I watched an Israeli soldier shoot dead my two little girls'
Sebuah kesaksian., Gaza: 'I watched an Israeli soldier shoot dead my two little girls' Grieving Palestinian father says children were killed after family obeyed order from troops to leave Gaza home By Donald Macintyre in Gaza City Wednesday, 21 January 2009 Khaled Abed Rabbo in the remains of his family house, destroyed during the three-week Israeli offensive AP Khaled Abed Rabbo in the remains of his family house, destroyed during the three-week Israeli offensive Related Articles * Latest news from Al Jazeera - 21 January 2009 * Mark Steel: Now we've all seen through the Israeli government's excuses * Israel 'completes Gaza troop withdrawal' * Dialogue with Hamas is only path to peace, urges novelist * Fares Akram's Gaza blog Search Search Go Independent.co.uk Web Bookmark Share * Digg It * del.icio.us * Facebook * Reddit What are these? Change font size: A | A | A A Palestinian father has claimed that he saw two of his young daughters shot dead and another critically injured by an Israeli soldier who emerged from a stationary tank and opened fire as the family obeyed an order from the Israeli forces to leave their home. Khaled Abed Rabbo said Amal, aged two and Suad, seven, were killed by fire from the soldier's semi-automatic rifle. His third daughter, Samer, four, has been evacuated to intensive care in a Belgian hospital after suffering critical spinal injuries which he said were inflicted in the attack early in Israel's ground offensive. Mr Abed Rabbo stood near the wreckage off his subsequently destroyed home on the eastern edge of the northern Gaza town of Jabalya yesterday and described how a tank had parked outside the building at 12.50pm on 7 January and ordered the family in Arabic through a megaphone to leave building. He said his 60-year-old mother had also been shot at as she left waving her white headscarf with her son, daughter in law and her three grandchildren. Two soldiers were on the tank eating chips, then one man came out of the tank with a rifle and started shooting the kids, Mr Abed Rabbo, who receives a salary as a policeman from the Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority in Ramallah said. The family say they think the weapon used by the soldier was an M16 and that the first to be shot was Amal. Mr Abed Rabbo said that Suad was then shot with what he claimed were 12 bullets, and then Samer. The soldier who fired the rifle had what Mr Abed Rabbo thought were ringlets visible below his helmet, he said. The small minority of ultra-Orthodox Jews who serve in the army are in a unit which did not take part in the Gaza offensive and only a very small number of settlers who also favour that hairstyle serve in other units. It has so far been impossible independently to verify Mr Abed Rabbo's claim and the military said last night Israeli Defence Forces does not target civilians, only Hamas terrorists and infrastructure. It added: The IDF is investigating various claims made with regard to Operation Cast Lead and at the end of its investigation will respond accordingly. The district is named Abed Rabbo after the clan who live in most of it. The dense concrete roof of the house now hangs at more at more than a 45-degree angle, and at least three other substantial buildings have been flattened in the agricultural, semi-rural immediate neighbourhood. Khaled Abed Rabbo said that there had been a delay before the ambulance could reach the building because the road from the west had been made impassable by the churning of the tanks. The soldiers had in the end let the family leave on foot, he said. He added that they walked two kilometres before finding a vehicle to take them to Kamal Adwan Hospital. He said: I carried Suad, who was dead, my wife carried Amal and my brother Ibrahim carried Samer. He added: We are not Hamas. My children were not Hamas. And if they were going to shoot anyone it should have been me. He added: I want the international community and the International Red Cross to ask Israel why it has done this to us. They talk about democracy but is it democracy to kill children? What did the kids do to them? What did my house do to them? They destroyed my life? Gaza City is showing signs of returning to a form of normality as more shops reopen. The offices of the main Palestinian telephone company Jawwal reopened though this has not eased severe problems of connectivity on the Palestinian mobile network. Some Hamas policemen were back directing traffic, though in smaller numbers than before the offensive. Unconfirmed figures are that 270 Hamas policemen were killed, mainly in the air attacks during the first week. In a victory rally in Gaza city yesterday, Hamas supporters converged on a square near the remains of the bombed parliament building.. 'Heartbreaking': The ugly face of war The UN secretary general, looking distressed, described the devastation of Gaza
[proletar] The Independent: Dialogue with Hamas is only path to peace, urges novelist
Saya heran bahwa ada anjing Nasrani Indonesia yang belum melihat kekejaman serdadu Israel... Dialogue with Hamas is only path to peace, urges novelist Israeli writer who lost son in Lebanon accuses his countrymen of 'cruelty' By Ben Lynfield in Jerusalem Wednesday, 21 January 2009 David Grossman accused Israelis of using Getty David Grossman accused Israelis of using sophisticated defence mechanisms and self-righteousness to avoid recognising the scope of the killing and destruction wrought on Gaza * Photos enlarge Related Articles * Gaza: 'I watched an Israeli soldier shoot dead my two little girls' * Latest news from Al Jazeera - 21 January 2009 * Mark Steel: Now we've all seen through the Israeli government's excuses * Israel 'completes Gaza troop withdrawal' * Fares Akram's Gaza blog * Print Print * Email Email Search Search Go Independent.co.uk Web Bookmark Share * Digg It * del.icio.us * Facebook * Reddit What are these? Change font size: A | A | A David Grossman, the renowned Israeli novelist, issued a pained rebuke to his countrymen over the Gaza invasion yesterday and called for the immediate opening of talks with the militant Hamas movement. Embarking on what he conceded would be a daunting dialogue with Hamas, which refuses Israel's right to exist, will contribute more to our security than a hundred planes dropping bombs on a city and its inhabitants, the dovish author wrote in a front-page article in the daily Haaretz. Grossman accused Israelis of using sophisticated defence mechanisms and self-righteousness to avoid recognising the scope of the killing and destruction the army has wrought on Gaza. When this subsides, perhaps Israelis will realise there is something deep and basic in our behaviour in the region, for time immemorial, that is mistaken, immoral and unwise and that time and again fans the flames that are consuming us, he wrote. The writer has for many years been a voice of a humanistic Zionism that is often on the defensive in a militarised society. Yesterday was not the first time he has emerged as a statesman of the Israeli left. He lost his son Uri, 20, a tank commander, in fighting viewed by some as unnecessary at the close of Israel's last war, with Hizbollah in 2006, a conflict that had striking parallels to the most recent one: overwhelming use of Israeli force that took a heavy toll on civilians and enemy rocket fire that in the minds of most Israelis justified such retaliation. Two months after the 2006 war, Grossman accused the country's leadership under Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of being hollow. A year later, he refused to shake Mr Olmert's hand as he received a prestigious writers' award. Palestinian civilian deaths and suffering received little coverage in the Israeli media, with news focusing on incoming rockets and many reports being aired of wounded soldiers anxious to rejoin their units in Gaza. At the height of the fighting, eight Israeli human rights organisations wrote a letter to Israeli newspapers and broadcast outlets complaining that space was not being given to items or opinions that did not support the army and government. In an article on 30 December, three days after the war was launched, Grossman called for a unilateral ceasefire and warned against harm to the Palestinian civilian population Yesterday, he said the Palestinians could not be exempted of responsibility for Hamas's crimes of firing rockets and launching suicide attacks. But he stressed that Israel's leaders were oblivious to their own role in stoking violence with overwhelming military force. The war has been depicted by Israeli politicians and military leaders as a correction of the 2006 conflict. This time, the army and home front worked well and Israel won, says the official version. Defence Minister Ehud Barak, in a self-congratulatory victory speech, said that bravery by the home front during the war had restored the beautiful land of Israel of yore. Grossman painted a very different picture. Alongside the satisfaction over correcting the failures of the second Lebanon war, it is desirable to listen to a voice which says that the gains of the Israel Defence Forces are not decisive proof that Israel was right in launching such an operation of vast scale and certainly do not justify the way Israel behaved during its course. The gains only confirm that Israel is simply stronger than Hamas and in some situations she can be adamant and very cruel, in her way. David Grossman: 'Mistaken, immoral, unwise' When the guns becomecompletely silent, and the full scope of the killing and destruction becomes known, to the point where even the most self-righteous and sophisticated of the Israeli psyche's defence mechanisms are overcome, perhaps then some kind of lesson will imprint itself on our brain. Perhaps then we will finally understand how deeply and fundamentally wrong
[proletar] Guardian: Israel admits troops may have used phosphorus shells in Gaza
Israel admits troops may have used phosphorus shells in Gaza Amnesty warns Israel could be guilty of war crimes * Peter Beaumont in Jerusalem * guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 21 January 2009 11.58 GMT White phosphorus shells Israeli soldiers prepare white phosphorus 155mm artillery shells (light green) as troops keep position on the Israel-Gaza border. Photograph: Jack Guez/AFP/Getty Images Israel has admitted – after mounting pressure – that its troops may have used white phosphorus shells in contravention of international law, during its three-week offensive in the Gaza Strip. One of the places most seriously affected by the use of white phosphorus was the main UN compound in Gaza City, which was hit by three shells on 15 January. The same munition was used in a strike on the al-Quds hospital in Gaza City the same day. Under review by Colonel Shai Alkalai is the use of white phosphorus by a reserve paratroop brigade in northern Israel. According to army sources the brigade fired up to 20 phosphorus shells in a heavily built-up area around the Gaza township of Beit Lahiya, one of the worst hit areas of Gaza. The internal inquiry – which the army says does not have the status of the full investigation demanded by human rights groups including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch – follows weeks of fighting in which Israel either denied outright that it was using phosphorus-based weapons, or insisted that what weapons it was using were in line with international law. Dr Ahmed Almi from the al-Nasser hospital in Khan Yunis describes serious injuries and chemical burns, with victims covered in a white powder that continues to burn long after initial exposure Link to this video Phosphorus is a toxic chemical agent that burns on contact with air and creates thick white smokes in order to hide troop movements. However phosphorus shells are largely indiscriminate scattering large numbers of fragments over a large area, which can cause severe damage to both human tissue and property. As the Guardian reported yesterday, Palestinian doctors have reported treating dozens of cases of suspected phosphorus burns. According to senior IDF officers, quoted today in the Ha'aretz newspaper, the Israeli military made use of two different types of phosphorus munitions. The first, they insisted, was contained in 155mm artillery shells, and contained almost no phosphorus except for a trace to ignite the smoke screen. The second munitions, at the centre of the inquiry by Col Alkalai, are standard phosphorus shells – both 88mm and 120mm – fired from mortars. About 200 of these shells were fired during Israel's Operation Cast Lead in Gaza, and of these – say the IDF – 180 were fired on Hamas fighters and rocket launch crews in northern Gaza. Alkalai is investigating the circumstances in which the remaining 20 shells were fired, amid compelling evidence on the ground that phosphorus munitions were involved in the attack on a UN warehouse and a UN school. The mortar system is guided by GPS and according to Israel a failure of the targeting system may have been responsible for civilian deaths. However, critics point out the same explanation was used for mis-targeting deaths in Beit Hanoun in Gaza in 2006. The brigade's officers, however, added that the shells were fired only at places that had been positively identified as sources of enemy fire. The use of phosphorus as an incendiary weapon as it now appears to have been used against Hamas fighters – as opposed to a smoke screen – is covered by the Convention of Certain Conventional Weapons to which Israel in not a signatory. However, Israel also is obliged under the Geneva Conventions and customary international humanitarian law to give due care to protecting the civilian population when deciding on appropriate military targeting and response to hostile fire, particularly in heavily built up areas with a strict prohibition on the use of indiscriminate force. They obviously could not have gone on denying the use of phosphorus, Donatella Rovera, Amnesty researcher for Israel and the Occupied Territories, told the Guardian yesterday. There are still phosphorus wedges burning all over Gaza including at the UN compound and at the school. It is clear they are not using it as smoke screen as they claimed. They used it in areas where they had no forces, and there are much less problematic smoke screens that they could have used. Amnesty on Monday warned that Israel could be guilty of war crimes, saying the use of the shells in a civilian areas was clear and undeniable. Rovera demanded too that Israel produce clear evidence that there were fighters in the areas it says its troops were fired upon when the phosphorus munitions were fired. The admission that the shells may have been used improperly follows yesterday's demand by the UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon for an investigation into the targeting of
[proletar] The Independent: Massacre of innocents as UN school is shelled
Massacre of innocents as UN school is shelled Obama breaks silence to express deep concern over civilian casualties By Donald Macintyre and Kim Sengupta in Jerusalem Wednesday, 7 January 2009 null Related Articles * Gaza clashes resume after truce * Fares Akram's Gaza blog * Robert Fisk: Why do they hate the West so much, we will ask * Donald Macintyre: So what will it take for Israel to stop fighting? * Deborah Orr: There wouldn't have been Gaza rockets without the blockade * Clegg urges Israel arms exports ban * Fares Akram: I heard the news... it's time to evacuate my pregnant wife * Brown calls for international action over Gaza crisis What are these? Change font size: A | A | A Hundreds of Palestinians had fled their homes for the refuge of the al-Fakhoura school, hoping the blue and white flag of the UN flying over the impromptu shelter would protect them from the Israeli onslaught. The UN had even given the Israeli army the co-ordinates for the building to spare it from the shells and air strikes raining down on the Gaza strip. But yesterday afternoon tank shells exploded outside the school, sending shrapnel into the crowds, killing at least 40 and wounding another 55. It was the worst confirmed bloodshed of Israel's attack on Gaza and sparked outrage and condemnation around the globe, with the US President-elect Barack Obama breaking his 11-day silence, the UN Secretary Ban Ki-moon calling the incident totally unacceptable and Gordon Brown describing the conflict as the darkest moment yet for the Middle East. Within hours of the strike on the school, with the Palestinian death toll topping 600 and pressure mounting on Israel to stop its crushing military campaign, Egypt proposed an immediate ceasefire and talks with Israel and Hamas on a long-term settlement, including an end to the Gaza blockade. French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who was in Cairo on the latest stop of a two-day tour of the Middle East, said that his Egyptian counterpart, Hosni Mubarak, was inviting notably the Israeli side to discuss the issue of border security without delay. Arriving in New York for an emergency UN Security Council meeting, David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, welcomed the statement by Mr Mubarak saying it underlined the fast-moving nature of events. The world, Mr Miliband told the Council, was witnessing in Gaza, the horror of war piled upon months of deprivation. At the meeting, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas voiced support for the Sarkozy-Mubarak ceasefire initiative. The killings at the school in Gaza confirmed the heinous crime being committed against our people, he said. Israel had yet to respond to the initiative last night. However, a statement was issued late in the evening anncouncing Israel's willingness to set up a humanitarian corridor into Gaza for the safe delivery of emergency supplies to prevent a humanitarian crisis there. The US Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, said Washington backed Mr Mubarak's ceasefire proposal. We need urgently to conclude a ceasefire that can endure and that can bring real security, she told the Security Council. In this regard we are pleased by and wish to commend the statement of the President of Egypt and to follow up on that initiative. With Israeli troops moving further south into the cities of one of the world's most crowded territories, the Palestinian death toll is beginning to rival that in Lebanon in the summer of 2006. Yesterday, the UN demanded an immediate independent investigation into the latest school killings. The emergency room of northern Gaza's Kamal Adwan hospital was packed to overflowing after the carnage. We have become quite used to noises of explosions but then they started bringing in all those who had been caught in the attack and it was a very bad sight, Dr Bassam Abu Warda told The Independent. It was terrible, really terrible. We are living at a very difficult time but even as doctors it is always hard to see children being hurt and we had a lot of them today and we are not really equipped to deal with this type of emergency here. Majed Hamdan, a photographer, said he rushed to the scene shortly after the attacks, which happened just as many of the refugees had ventured outside for fresh air. I saw women and men – parents – slapping their faces in grief, screaming, some of them collapsed to the floor, he said. They knew their children were dead. Gruesome footage on Hamas's al-Aqsa TV showed medics starting to unload the bodies of men who had been stacked up in the back of an ambulance, three high, and were dragged out without stretchers. The blood-caked stumps of one man's legs bumped along the ground as he was pulled from the ambulance. Responding to criticism of its hit on the school in the Jabalya refugee camp, the Israeli military accused Hamas of using civilians as human shields. It said that the results of its initial
[proletar] The Independent: Mark Steel: What creationists really hate is that we emerged by accident
Mark Steel: What creationists really hate is that we emerged by accident Independent.co.uk Web Charles Darwin would probably love the fact that the 200th anniversary of his birth is being celebrated with radio shows, documentaries and exhibitions, but he might not have enjoyed the way that furious Christians still despise his theories and try to prove the Bible is more reliable. For example, the Discovery Institute has announced that: We want students everywhere to speak out... for the right to debate the evidence against evolution and turn 'Darwin Day' into 'Academic Freedom Day'. But they're lucky Darwin isn't forced on us the way religion has been, otherwise the national anthem would start: Our Gracious Queen will be saved or not according to a series of factors that are sod-all to do with God, and once a week school assemblies would start with everyone singing: All things biological/ All matter sweet or frightening/ Are Godless, real and logical/ See – where's the bleeding lightning? The creationists demand that biblical theories are taught alongside Darwin's theories of natural selection, which might sound reasonable except that creationism depends not on evidence but on faith. If all theories are given equal status, teachers could say: Your essays on the cause of tornadoes were very good. Nathan's piece detailing the impact of warm moist air colliding with cool air, with original sources from the Colorado Weather Bureau, contained some splendid detail. But Samatha's piece that went Because God is cross was just as good so you all get a B+. To improve their standing the anti-Darwin lobby have changed their tactics, so now instead of arguing for creationism they call their theory intelligent design. Mostly this consists of trying to illustrate how species are too complex to have been formed by nature. But then they can't help themselves, so you get articles such as the one by prominent advocate of intelligent design, David Berlinski, that starts: Charles Darwin says, 'In the struggle for survival, the fittest win out at the expense of their rivals.' Another man, Adolf Hitler says 'Let us kill all the Jews of Europe.' Is there a connection? Yes is the obvious answer. So there we are – study the differences between finches and you're half way to organising a holocaust. The founders of intelligent design are nearly all creationists, and one of their books, Of Pandas and People, is identical to a book used by creationists. Except that, after a ruling in the US Supreme Court that creationism couldn't be taught in schools, the word creationist was deleted throughout, and replaced with intelligent design. The new theory, where it is new, states there are many species that can't have become the way they are through gradual evolution, because if you remove any one part of them the whole structure would collapse. So they must have been created whole, as they are now, without changing. But this ignores the beauty of Darwin's discovery, which is that species change not because they're on a march towards perfection but by accident. What may be ideal for survival one day is no good once the environment has changed. For example if it gets colder, or the colour of the surroundings changes, the individuals in a species best suited to the new conditions will be the ones to last, and the species becomes altered. Survival of the fittest means those accidentally matching the requirements of a new situation, not the creatures most prone to winning a scrap. Otherwise by now the only hamsters to survive would be those ones who could pick up the wheel and smash it over their mate's head, and the only surviving parrots would be the ones squawking: Who wants some? Who wants some? And this dominance of the accidental is the most damning argument against intelligent design, because if all species were designed, it was hardly done by someone intelligent. If it was, how do you account for the parasitic wasp that lays eggs on its prey so they hatch and eat its victim while it's still alive? More to the point, why are your most sensitive nerves at the end of your toe, where they're most likely to get walloped? Why are men's nuts in such a vulnerable location, ay? Bloody vindictive design that is. Why do dogs do the squashiest, most unpleasant turds that hide in the grass and spread themselves in the indentations on the bottom of your shoe, but don't start smelling until you get indoors and then render the place uninhabitable until you've left every window open for a month? Why, why, why? Come on intelligent design people, the questions you have to answer have barely begun. --- Jusfiq Hadjar gelar Sutan Maradjo Lelo Allah yang disembah orang Islam tipikal dan yang digambarkan oleh al-Mushaf itu dungu, buas, kejam, keji, ganas, zalim lagi biadab hanyalah Allah fiktif. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[proletar] پویش دعوت از خاتمی
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[proletar] پویش دعوت از خاتمی
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[proletar] Jadi anjing Nasrani itupengkut gereja apa?
Jadi anjing Nasrani itu pengkut gereja apa? Vatikan dan WCC telah menyalahkan Israel yang menyerang Gaza.. Lalu anjing Nasrani yang masih membenarkan serangan Israel itu pengikut gereja apa? Atau orang Nasrani dungu berotak anjing yang tidak berperi kemanusiaan? --- Jusfiq Hadjar gelar Sutan Maradjo Lelo Allah yang disembah orang Islam tipikal dan yang digambarkan oleh al-Mushaf itu dungu, buas, kejam, keji, ganas, zalim lagi biadab hanyalah Allah fiktif. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: BBC : Gaza doctor's loss grips Israelis
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, utusan.allah utusan.al...@... wrote: Ni orang kayaknya beotak anjing juga... Dalam perng penduduk sipil tidak boleh dikorbankan.. ... Satuju Fiq ! Anak-anak dan ibu-ibu jangan dijadiin tameng dalam perang. Gak kaci lah. Ente damprat ajah Hamas, Fiq. Ente sumpah serapahin ajah jangan kepalang edun ! Ternyata Hamas itu cuma kampret doang sbg pejuang taek kucing. Badan aja dipamerin, pake lares, pake pakean loreng, kumis baplang, godeg byarrr, muka serem. Pas dar der dor, sluuup ajah ngumpet di baju gombrang perempuan be'jilbeb. Gak 'aci lah perang gituan sih. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] great.pretender2000 itu Nasrani munafik.....(wRe: Bangsa Israel itu memang
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, utusan.allah utusan.al...@... wrote: Ade Kim Hook itu emang manusia berotak binatang Dia tidak tahu bahwa orang Arab itu juga adalah manusia... Dan punya hak yang sama dengan orang lain... Wah ini sih gak satuju lah. Emang bener arep itu manusia, tapi...nah ini dia, tapi ada manusia dan manusia, Fiq. Karna kalo jadi manusia itu, musti ada yg dilakonin : 'atu: hiduplah yg baek ama tetangga. Jangan nyambit rumah tetangga, karna itu tak bae' 'ua : mulailah belajar bekerja, singkilkan lengan baju dan mulai nyangkul tanah. Nanem apa keq, ubi, pisang, takokak... Sehat koq kerja itu. 'iga: Mulai sekarang hentiin mengangakan congor buat di kasih makanan. Malu atuh ujang ! Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] what is jablay?
Jauh dari di belai...alias gak ada yang mau neg belai. kasihan kan ? - Original Message - From: Habe Proletar prolet...@yahoo.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:38 PM Subject: [proletar] what is jablay? whats that? Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] great.pretender2000 itu Nasrani munafik.....(wRe: Bangsa Israel itu memang
From: kim3hook kim3h...@yahoo.com Yg gua bikin mules klakuan si Sur itu, ni orang latah banget sih heh ? +++ Sejak aku aktif di Baguna, dan masuk kedaerah bencana, aku menjadi bisa merasakan bagaimana sulitnya hidup secara teratur. Sebelumnya aku hanya bisa prihatin dan hanya mampu membayangkan. Mau beol saja bingung nyari tempat beol nya, padahal beol salah satu kebutuhan pokok yang setiap hari harus dilakukan, belum lagi mau makan, dan minum, jangan bicara tempat tinggal secuil tenda sudah menjadi terasa istana, dan tetap saja MCK mebuat situasi dan kondisi menjadi tidak baik, silahkan anda coba untuk menahan beol tibang 2 hari Jangan kepikiran dengan ditambah kondisi luka, baik luka patah tulang maupun yang lainnya, anda renungkan saja. sur. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] great.pretender2000 itu Nasrani munafik.....(wRe: Bangsa Israel itu memang
Betu:l berotak anjing ni orang... Gaza itu di blokade oleh Israel hingga jadi kamp konsentrasi (ini istilah Paus). Dab tu Israel juga dibikin diatas rumah dan kampung orang Palestina yang sekarang jadi pengungsi di Gaza.. Mereka menuntut keadilan. Anjing. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, kim3hook kim3h...@... wrote: --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, utusan.allah utusan.allah@ wrote: Ade Kim Hook itu emang manusia berotak binatang Dia tidak tahu bahwa orang Arab itu juga adalah manusia... Dan punya hak yang sama dengan orang lain... Wah ini sih gak satuju lah. Emang bener arep itu manusia, tapi...nah ini dia, tapi ada manusia dan manusia, Fiq. Karna kalo jadi manusia itu, musti ada yg dilakonin : 'atu: hiduplah yg baek ama tetangga. Jangan nyambit rumah tetangga, karna itu tak bae' 'ua : mulailah belajar bekerja, singkilkan lengan baju dan mulai nyangkul tanah. Nanem apa keq, ubi, pisang, takokak... Sehat koq kerja itu. 'iga: Mulai sekarang hentiin mengangakan congor buat di kasih makanan. Malu atuh ujang ! Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: BBC : Gaza doctor's loss grips Israelis
Ni anjing bertubuh manusia serta pedebat kusir... Hingga sekarang tidak ada bukti Hamas memakai penduduk sipil sebagai tameng... Betul-betul berotak anjing ni orang.. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, kim3hook kim3h...@... wrote: --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, utusan.allah utusan.allah@ wrote: Ni orang kayaknya beotak anjing juga... Dalam perng penduduk sipil tidak boleh dikorbankan.. ... Satuju Fiq ! Anak-anak dan ibu-ibu jangan dijadiin tameng dalam perang. Gak kaci lah. Ente damprat ajah Hamas, Fiq. Ente sumpah serapahin ajah jangan kepalang edun ! Ternyata Hamas itu cuma kampret doang sbg pejuang taek kucing. Badan aja dipamerin, pake lares, pake pakean loreng, kumis baplang, godeg byarrr, muka serem. Pas dar der dor, sluuup ajah ngumpet di baju gombrang perempuan be'jilbeb. Gak 'aci lah perang gituan sih. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Jadi anjing Nasrani itupengkut gereja apa?
sadarlah fiq! gak ada gunanya ente teriak2 sampe bikin kimhook mewek. israel ntu bangsa yg mulia (ngkali, menurut kimhook, muski dll). israel itu bangsa jablay alias bangsa yg seringkali tertindas oleh bangsa lain mangkanya kudu sering2 di belay, dan disayangi se-edun mungkin.. mereka ngakunya 6juta korban holokus, tapi sejarawan lain kayak faurisson bilang gak segitu.. biarin dah, mereka korupsi angka.. emang tabiatnya dari dulu begitu. jadi, salah atau bener, kudu dianggap bener! kejam kah atau berperikemanusiaan kah, tetep bangsa israel jangan sampe dikutuk! bisa kualat kalo miliser nasrani ikut ngomong ngantemin israel. (kalo kualat ntar bisa masuk neraka, yah?) gak percaya? cobain deh ente desek tuh si grepe. jadi, gak ada guna ente maksa2 kayak orang kesurupan.. biarin aja, kita2 sudah tau koq tabiat beberapa member milis di apakabar atau di prol. toh miliser muslim juga gak nagih reaksi macem2 dari mereka, spt aksi demo, apalagi tulisan2 yg mengutuk israel. kesimpulan yg bisa ente tarik sudah jelas, kan? .. bahwa israel itu bangsa biadab, tukang jagal perempuan dan anak2, bahkan rumah sakitpun gak tedeng aling2 dibom pake fosfor. jelas, kan, bahwa posisi mereka sbg negara teroris? (gw jadi inget amerika yg demen promosiin perang terhadap teror, tapi malah gak berani sama israel.. hehe ironis, malah disupport gak kepalang tanggung) tapi simpan saja kesimpulan itu buat ente sendiri.. bikin kimhook patah hati aja... LOL..LOL mending kita terusin aja soal kompositor ... heuheuheu .. (gak bosen, kan, beh ?) --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Jusfiq Hadjar utusan.al...@... wrote: Jadi anjing Nasrani itu pengkut gereja apa? Vatikan dan WCC telah menyalahkan Israel yang menyerang Gaza.. Lalu anjing Nasrani yang masih membenarkan serangan Israel itu pengikut gereja apa? Atau orang Nasrani dungu berotak anjing yang tidak berperi kemanusiaan? --- Jusfiq Hadjar gelar Sutan Maradjo Lelo Allah yang disembah orang Islam tipikal dan yang digambarkan oleh al-Mushaf itu dungu, buas, kejam, keji, ganas, zalim lagi biadab hanyalah Allah fiktif. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] bakmi...
tadi selepas maghrib, sambil nyari angin gw mabur ke jalan panatayuda. tujuannya cuma satu,... nikmatin bakmi jogja lagi.. yg... alaa maakk ... maknyus!! bayangin aja, mana murah, tapi enaknya bisa kerasa berhari2. suer...!! jadi ngiler lagi kalo dibayang2in. kimhook.. coba elu bayangin .. boleh sambil ngiler, tapi ntu gigi tongosnya digulung dikit yah.. mienya lembut. telornya gak anyir. kuahnya serasa mantap.. baunya harum. porsinya pas. gak ada duanya dah.. mungkin ada juga bakmi jogja lain yg rasanya enak. tapi dari beberapa bakmi yg pernah dicoba, kayaknya yg di sana rasanya lebih spesial. dan satu hal lagi yg bikin mereka lebih spesial adalah, air teh seduhnya. eit .. jangan salah kimhook.. jangan elu pikir ini haratis... tetep kudu dipesen jadi gak cuma2 dikasih.. pemanisnya bukan nutra-sweet, bukan sakarin, apalagi gula jawa. tapi dari gula batu. diseduh sendiri di cangkir tanah liat. panas2 diserupuuutt bayangin deh sendiri!!! Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Jadi anjing Nasrani itupengkut gereja apa?
Ni orang jelas nggak normal... Asal cuap-cuap. Pertama, bagusnya, tidak semua orang Nasrani punya otak anjing, Suryana jelas tidak sendirian. Lalu Vatikan dan WCC sudah dari mula menyatakan menentang serangan Israel. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, hadingrh hadin...@... wrote: sadarlah fiq! gak ada gunanya ente teriak2 sampe bikin kimhook mewek. israel ntu bangsa yg mulia (ngkali, menurut kimhook, muski dll). israel itu bangsa jablay alias bangsa yg seringkali tertindas oleh bangsa lain mangkanya kudu sering2 di belay, dan disayangi se-edun mungkin.. mereka ngakunya 6juta korban holokus, tapi sejarawan lain kayak faurisson bilang gak segitu.. biarin dah, mereka korupsi angka.. emang tabiatnya dari dulu begitu. jadi, salah atau bener, kudu dianggap bener! kejam kah atau berperikemanusiaan kah, tetep bangsa israel jangan sampe dikutuk! bisa kualat kalo miliser nasrani ikut ngomong ngantemin israel. (kalo kualat ntar bisa masuk neraka, yah?) gak percaya? cobain deh ente desek tuh si grepe. jadi, gak ada guna ente maksa2 kayak orang kesurupan.. biarin aja, kita2 sudah tau koq tabiat beberapa member milis di apakabar atau di prol. toh miliser muslim juga gak nagih reaksi macem2 dari mereka, spt aksi demo, apalagi tulisan2 yg mengutuk israel. kesimpulan yg bisa ente tarik sudah jelas, kan? .. bahwa israel itu bangsa biadab, tukang jagal perempuan dan anak2, bahkan rumah sakitpun gak tedeng aling2 dibom pake fosfor. jelas, kan, bahwa posisi mereka sbg negara teroris? (gw jadi inget amerika yg demen promosiin perang terhadap teror, tapi malah gak berani sama israel.. hehe ironis, malah disupport gak kepalang tanggung) tapi simpan saja kesimpulan itu buat ente sendiri.. bikin kimhook patah hati aja... LOL..LOL mending kita terusin aja soal kompositor ... heuheuheu .. (gak bosen, kan, beh ?) --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Jusfiq Hadjar utusan.allah@ wrote: Jadi anjing Nasrani itu pengkut gereja apa? Vatikan dan WCC telah menyalahkan Israel yang menyerang Gaza.. Lalu anjing Nasrani yang masih membenarkan serangan Israel itu pengikut gereja apa? Atau orang Nasrani dungu berotak anjing yang tidak berperi kemanusiaan? --- Jusfiq Hadjar gelar Sutan Maradjo Lelo Allah yang disembah orang Islam tipikal dan yang digambarkan oleh al-Mushaf itu dungu, buas, kejam, keji, ganas, zalim lagi biadab hanyalah Allah fiktif. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Jadi anjing Nasrani itupengkut gereja apa?
yup,... saya tau itu saya sangat menghargai pendirian kang suryana... suryana memang oche... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, utusan.allah utusan.al...@... wrote: Ni orang jelas nggak normal... Asal cuap-cuap. Pertama, bagusnya, tidak semua orang Nasrani punya otak anjing, Suryana jelas tidak sendirian. Lalu Vatikan dan WCC sudah dari mula menyatakan menentang serangan Israel. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, hadingrh hadingrh@ wrote: sadarlah fiq! gak ada gunanya ente teriak2 sampe bikin kimhook mewek. israel ntu bangsa yg mulia (ngkali, menurut kimhook, muski dll). israel itu bangsa jablay alias bangsa yg seringkali tertindas oleh bangsa lain mangkanya kudu sering2 di belay, dan disayangi se-edun mungkin.. mereka ngakunya 6juta korban holokus, tapi sejarawan lain kayak faurisson bilang gak segitu.. biarin dah, mereka korupsi angka.. emang tabiatnya dari dulu begitu. jadi, salah atau bener, kudu dianggap bener! kejam kah atau berperikemanusiaan kah, tetep bangsa israel jangan sampe dikutuk! bisa kualat kalo miliser nasrani ikut ngomong ngantemin israel. (kalo kualat ntar bisa masuk neraka, yah?) gak percaya? cobain deh ente desek tuh si grepe. jadi, gak ada guna ente maksa2 kayak orang kesurupan.. biarin aja, kita2 sudah tau koq tabiat beberapa member milis di apakabar atau di prol. toh miliser muslim juga gak nagih reaksi macem2 dari mereka, spt aksi demo, apalagi tulisan2 yg mengutuk israel. kesimpulan yg bisa ente tarik sudah jelas, kan? .. bahwa israel itu bangsa biadab, tukang jagal perempuan dan anak2, bahkan rumah sakitpun gak tedeng aling2 dibom pake fosfor. jelas, kan, bahwa posisi mereka sbg negara teroris? (gw jadi inget amerika yg demen promosiin perang terhadap teror, tapi malah gak berani sama israel.. hehe ironis, malah disupport gak kepalang tanggung) tapi simpan saja kesimpulan itu buat ente sendiri.. bikin kimhook patah hati aja... LOL..LOL mending kita terusin aja soal kompositor ... heuheuheu .. (gak bosen, kan, beh ?) --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Jusfiq Hadjar utusan.allah@ wrote: Jadi anjing Nasrani itu pengkut gereja apa? Vatikan dan WCC telah menyalahkan Israel yang menyerang Gaza.. Lalu anjing Nasrani yang masih membenarkan serangan Israel itu pengikut gereja apa? Atau orang Nasrani dungu berotak anjing yang tidak berperi kemanusiaan? --- Jusfiq Hadjar gelar Sutan Maradjo Lelo Allah yang disembah orang Islam tipikal dan yang digambarkan oleh al-Mushaf itu dungu, buas, kejam, keji, ganas, zalim lagi biadab hanyalah Allah fiktif. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Wiro di apakabar pakai argumen taik kucing....
Wiro di apakabar pakai argumen taik kucing Dia tunjukkan dua video untuk membuktikan bahwa Hamas memakai human shiled. Video pertama dibikin tahun 2008. Ini video yang dipakai oleh Ade Kim Hook, manusia berotak anjing beberapa hari yang lalu. Video kedua tidak saya lihat kapan dibikin, bicara tentang orang yang berkumpul memepertahankan rumah mereka, rumah penduduk sipil yang mau diruntuhkan oleh serdadu Israel atau rumah pemimpin Hamas yang mau diserang serdadu israel. Semua ini tetap hanya sedar omongan dan bukan bukti matarial. Agar jelas: hanya peneliatian atau angket dari badan yang imparsial yang bisa dipakai sebagai bukti dalam berargumen. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: bakmi...
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, hadingrh hadin...@... wrote: ... dan satu hal lagi yg bikin mereka lebih spesial adalah, air teh seduhnya. eit .. jangan salah kimhook.. jangan elu pikir ini haratis... tetep kudu dipesen jadi gak cuma2 dikasih.. ... Oh ! Mustinya dikasih iga babi biar lebih enak, trus sabari nenggak anggur merah, nah itu baru enak. Kalo gak percaya, tanya tuh Jusfiq yg gituan sih. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: bakmi...
bakmi iga babi? paired with anggur merah? elo kok norak banget seh ni hari? 2009/1/21 kim3hook kim3h...@yahoo.com: --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, hadingrh hadin...@... wrote: ... dan satu hal lagi yg bikin mereka lebih spesial adalah, air teh seduhnya. eit .. jangan salah kimhook.. jangan elu pikir ini haratis... tetep kudu dipesen jadi gak cuma2 dikasih.. ... Oh ! Mustinya dikasih iga babi biar lebih enak, trus sabari nenggak anggur merah, nah itu baru enak. Kalo gak percaya, tanya tuh Jusfiq yg gituan sih. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: BBC : Gaza doctor's loss grips Israelis
From: jasadlelaki jasadlel...@yahoo.com itu lah resiko perang, apa boleh buat... Perang ?, perang taik kucing, Hamas tidak memiliki persenjataan sekuat Israel, dan anda mengatakan Perang ?, sudahkan anda membuka google map dan melihat luas dari Gaza Strip ? Itu bukan perang. Bila anda mengaminkan kitab suci sialan karena Palestina adalah milik Israel, maka suku Indian di Amerika harus duduk di white house, demikian juga di Australia, suku Aborigin harus menjadi pemilik Australia. Mempercayai kitab suci secara leterik adalah sebuah kebodohan yang tiada tara, cepatlah anda berusaha untuk menjadi pintar, masih keburu koq. sur. si jasad. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] The Guardian: Demands grow for Gaza war crimes investigation
Saya garis bawahi: Rovera has also collected evidence that the Israeli army holds Palestinian families prisoner in their own homes as human shields. tapi mari kita tunggu konfirmasi alegasi ini. l Demands grow for Gaza war crimes investigation * Chris McGreal in Jerusalem * The Guardian, Tuesday 13 January 2009 * larger | smaller * Article history A freelance filmmaker in Gaza shot this material for Save the Children at a UN-supported school for pupils displaced from their homes by the Israeli bombings Link to this video Israel is facing growing demands from senior UN officials and human rights groups for an international war crimes investigation in Gaza over allegations such as the reckless and indiscriminate shelling of residential areas and use of Palestinian families as human shields by soldiers. With the death toll from the 17-day Israeli assault on Gaza climbing above 900, pressure is increasing for an independent inquiry into specific incidents, such as the shelling of a UN school turned refugee centre where about 40 people died, as well as the question of whether the military tactics used by Israel systematically breached humanitarian law. Link to this audio The UN's senior human rights body approved a resolution yesterday condemning the Israeli offensive for massive violations of human rights. A senior UN source said the body's humanitarian agencies were compiling evidence of war crimes and passing it on to the highest levels to be used as seen fit. Some human rights activists allege that the Israeli leadership gave an order to keep military casualties low no matter what cost to civilians. That strategy has directly contributed to one of the bloodiest Israeli assaults on the Palestinian territories, they say. John Ging, head of the UN Palestinian refugee agency in Gaza, said: It's about accountability [over] the issue of the appropriateness of the force used, the proportionality of the force used and the whole issue of duty of care of civilians. We don't want to join any chorus of passing judgment but there should be an investigation of any and every incident where there are concerns there might have been violations in international law. The Israeli military are accused of: • Using powerful shells in civilian areas which the army knew would cause large numbers of innocent casualties; • Using banned weapons such as phosphorus bombs; • Holding Palestinian families as human shields; • Attacking medical facilities, including the killing of 12 ambulance men in marked vehicles; • Killing large numbers of police who had no military role. Israeli military actions prompted an unusual public rebuke from the International Red Cross after the army moved a Palestinian family into a building and shelled it, killing 30. The surviving children clung to the bodies of their dead mothers for four days while the army blocked rescuers from reaching the wounded. Human Rights Watch has called on the UN security council to set up a commission of inquiry into alleged war crimes. Two leading Israeli human rights organisations have separately written to the country's attorney general demanding he investigate the allegations. But critics remain sceptical that any such inquiry will take place, given that Israel has previously blocked similar attempts with the backing of the US. Amnesty International says hitting residential streets with shells that send blast and shrapnel over a wide area constitutes prima facie evidence of war crimes. There has been reckless and disproportionate and in some cases indiscriminate use of force, said Donatella Rovera, an Amnesty investigator in Israel. There has been the use of weaponry that shouldn't be used in densely populated areas because it's known that it will cause civilian fatalities and casualties. They have extremely sophisticated missiles that can be guided to a moving car and they choose to use other weapons or decide to drop a bomb on a house knowing that there were women and children inside. These are very, very clear breaches of international law. Israel's most prominent human rights organisation, B'Tselem, has written to the attorney general in Jerusalem, Meni Mazuz, asking him to investigate suspected crimes including how the military selects its targets and the killing of scores of policemen at a passing out parade. Many of the targets seem not to have been legitimate military targets as specified by international humanitarian law, said Sarit Michaeli of B'Tselem. Rovera has also collected evidence that the Israeli army holds Palestinian families prisoner in their own homes as human shields. It's standard practice for Israeli soldiers to go into a house, lock up the family in a room on the ground floor and use the rest of the house as a military base, as a sniper's position. That is the absolute textbook case of human shields. It has been practised by the Israeli army for many
[proletar] Ibu Michelle Gak Perlu Minder...
Iba juga hati ini rasanya melihat gaya dan tampang ibu Michelle Obama. Mungkin bisa saja dalam benaknya ada segumpal keminderan. Tapi untung saja dia punya background yang lumayan untuk ukuran sesama kita, mahluk-mahluk najis yang sudah berdosa di seluruh jagad raya ini. Tak lain dan tak bukan bahwa dia juga adalah seorang Prof dan staff teaching yang pernah mengajar di Harvard dan Obama sendiri suaminya itu pernah menjadi salah seorang muridnya di sana. Aku pernah melihat ibu Michelle diwawancarai oleh Larry King di CNN. Kelihatannya Michelle juga tidak kalah smart dengan Hillary untuk standard the first lady in the world. Bahkan bisa saja dia juga adalah salah satu sosok iron women sebagai istri yang akan berkerja keras di balik layar tampang sang suami yang getol menaikkan dagunya ke atas itu. Agak beda dengan si manja Laura Bush, yang hanya tau menulis buku The Pleasures of Masturbation . Aneh kan?, sempat-sempatnya dia menuliskan hal itu di samping dunia yg sedang kacau balau dan tertimpah oleh berbagai macam bencana. Padahal buku tersebut tak bermamfaat sama sekali untuk meringankan beban moral dunia bogel dan berbagai macam problem di muka bumi ini. Kembali kepada ibu Michelle yang terkesan memiliki segumpal keminderan. Mengapa? Cobalah anda-anda renungkan. Pasangan suami istri itu adalah pasangan yang dalam urutan ke 44 dari 43 pasang mahluk-mahluk manusia ganteng-ganteng dan cantik-cantik yang pernah mendudukan pantat-pantat mereka at The Kingdomg of The White House. Lihat saja caranya berpakaian. Walau gaun yang terkesan cukup anggun didisain sedemikian rupa, namun tetap saja Michelle terlihat agak kekar, tomboi dan sesekali ngangkat gaun yang berwarna broken white itu agar jangan nyangkut di tumit sepatunya yang cukup tinggi kalau dia sedang bergerak. Dan dia sesekali coba tersenyum, sesekali menutup mulut. Pemandangan itu memang serba salah dan selalu berulang-ulang kalau dia dalam syutingan close up. Mengapa? Memang kalaupun dia tersenyum tetap tidak cantik, dan tutup mulutpun tetap juga tidak cantik. Kemungkinan besar hal itu telah dia coba-coba latih di depan cermin. Dan kelihatannya dia memang sama sekali tidak menyukai syutingan yang close up. Bagi saya pribadi sejujurnya bahwa, tampang ganteng atau pun cantik tidaklah merupakan major event dalam tolak ukur untuk menjadi kriteria manusia-manusia yang sedang memegang dedikasi pada semua para pemimpin pemerintahan, lembaga, departemen atau apa saja yang dipimpin dari tanggun jawab yang terkecil hingga yang terbesar sekalipun. The most important point is...,bagaimana nanti hasil dari program-program atau juga agenda-agenda yang telah mereka rencanakan selama ini. Akan kan berhasil sukses dan mampu melegahkan jiwa-jiwa yang tertindas di seluruh jagad raya ini? Hopefully better than Bush and the gangs lah... PS : Hanya orang-orang yang mewarisi gaya pikir sistem rakyat jelata, haus publikasi dan serba kurang-kurang sajalah yang getol menggunakan istilah-istilah ganteng atau pun cantik secara lahiriah. (someone) Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: BBC : Gaza doctor's loss grips Israelis
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, gsuryana gsury...@... wrote: Mempercayai kitab suci secara leterik adalah sebuah kebodohan yang tiada tara, cepatlah anda berusaha untuk menjadi pintar, masih keburu koq. sur. kog bisa-bisanya kamu ini sur mengetahui diriku memahami kitabku secara leterik? jangan terlalu asbun dikau, sur... manusia seperti anda, aku yakin sekali... kalau indonesia itu mayoritas di kuasai Kristen. maka anda pun akan berubah jadi bengkarung. lekaslah benahin jati dirimu sur..., keburu belum terlambat kog..? si jasad. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: BBC : Gaza doctor's loss grips Israelis
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, utusan.allah utusan.al...@... wrote: Ni orang kayaknya beotak anjing juga... Dalam perng penduduk sipil tidak boleh dikorbankan.. fig, mana lebih baik berotak anjing atau berotak babi? dalam undang-undang perang memang selalu tertulis begitu, fig.. namun dalam kenyataannya banyak yang melanggar. Akan halnya kitab suci taik kucing itu tidak berbukti isinya benar... memang bagi manusia-manusia yang berotak babi, dimohon dengan segala kerendahan hati dan kehormatan yang teramat dangkal...JANGANLAH PERNAH MEMBACA, MEMAHAMI APALAGI MENJIWAI AKAN KITAB-KITAB SUCI PARA UMAT BERAGAMA yang PERCAYA KEPADA SANG MAHA PENCIPTA LANGIT dan BUMI INI..!!! si jasad. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: BBC : Gaza doctor's loss grips Israelis
Ni orang jelas juga nggak begitu waras.. Ngomong asal ngaco begini.. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, jasadlelaki jasadlel...@... wrote: --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, utusan.allah utusan.allah@ wrote: Ni orang kayaknya beotak anjing juga... Dalam perng penduduk sipil tidak boleh dikorbankan.. fig, mana lebih baik berotak anjing atau berotak babi? dalam undang-undang perang memang selalu tertulis begitu, fig.. namun dalam kenyataannya banyak yang melanggar. Akan halnya kitab suci taik kucing itu tidak berbukti isinya benar... memang bagi manusia-manusia yang berotak babi, dimohon dengan segala kerendahan hati dan kehormatan yang teramat dangkal...JANGANLAH PERNAH MEMBACA, MEMAHAMI APALAGI MENJIWAI AKAN KITAB-KITAB SUCI PARA UMAT BERAGAMA yang PERCAYA KEPADA SANG MAHA PENCIPTA LANGIT dan BUMI INI..!!! si jasad. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Obama dan Indonesia
Obama dan Indonesia obama itu politik histeria orang indonesia mau apa? obama dibilang eks anak betawi segala doi pernah tinggal kampung jakarta apa kau kira doi bisa lupa? bangsa indian yang punya amerika penobatan obama tak ada wakilnya sitting bull? obama pangkatnya presiden amerika bukan obama jagoan menteng dalam segala harapan orang miskin tenggelam cuma kenangan di masa silam sekarang lain lagi ceritanya obama itu adalah merika jangan lupa indonesia bukan amerika kapal bocor tenggelam tak mau semuanya mesti ditambal sulam dalam badai panik krisis ekonomi jangan salah sangka obama kerja buat kesejahteraan amerika heri latief amsterdam, 21/01/2009 http://progind.net/ http://herilatief.wordpress.com/ http/://akarrumputliar.wordpress.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Ibu Michelle Gak Perlu Minder...
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, jasadlelaki jasadlel...@... wrote: Bukan dari sana yg saya lihat sih, bukan rupawan ato tidak. Cuma dia itu kayak aliran black panther an dah. Apalagi si ref. Jeremyah Wright sbg think tank nya. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Anjing vs Babi...
Binatang yang cepat tanggap. Penciumannya amat tajam. Penampilannya sering lucu. Setia-nya minta ampun pada tuan-nya. Binatang yang amat tau berterima kasih. Suka menolong seluruh keluarga pemiliknya, dengan segenap tenaga dan kemampuannya pabila pemiliknya dirugikan secara fisik oleh pihak2 lain. Binatang yang menurut perintah pemiliknya. Kekuatanya sama dengan pagar-pagar kayu yang di pekarangan belakang rumah kami. Melindungi, menggongongi dan mengejar habis sampai tetes darah yang penghabisan pabila ada orang2 yang datang mengganggu dan melempar anjing itu karena gondok tak berhasil. Bisa diajarkan berdisiplin... Hanya dua kekurangannya... Mau menjilat muntahnya kembali dan enggak bisa mengendalikan rasa konak-nya yang tak ketulungan. Tapi inget, anjing kan cepat tanggep, pastilah dia bisa diajar untuk tidak menjilat setiap muntah2 yang dia sudah muntahkan. Oleh karna itu banyak orang yang mengkebirinya, termasuk aku. Beda dengan babi... Selain ndut, biar sehat apalagi sakit, tetaplah penebar penyakit cacing pita, kolesterol tinggi dan obesitas dan lain-lain. Suka makan taik orang, apalagi kalau taiknya sendiri. Kurang cepat tanggap. Harus diajar take time setengah mati, barulah agak-agak pinter. Babi hanya lucu kalau dalam bentuk pilem muffet show yang berperan sebagai peggy , kalau tidak..!, sungguh benar-bener menjijikkan dan eneg kalau dipandang lama-lama, apalagi hidung dan kedua lobangnya yang gede-gede banget itu. Bisa dihitung dengan jari, orang-orang yang memelihara babi kalau hanya untuk lucu-lucu. Dan itu pun hanya dipelihara oleh orang-orang yang memiliki kelainan-kelainan jiwa saja. Nah, pilih mana yang lebih mendingan? Walau kedua-duanya sama-sama binatang harem masih mendingan anjing, bukan? Berbahagialah kalau anda difitnah seperti anjing, atau berotak anjing, apalagi anjing yang sudah dikebiri, ketimbang seperti babi apalagi berotak babi... si jasad. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Aljazeera: Obama contacts Middle East leaders
Pertanda bahwa KObama akan menjadikan masaalah Palestina sebgi salah satu proiritas... Tapi tidak disinggungnya korban yang berjatuhan memang mengecewakan. - UPDATED ON: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 23:20 Mecca time, 20:20 GMT News Americas Obama contacts Middle East leaders Obama was said to have expressed his commitment to resolving the Israel-Arab dispute [AFP] Barack Obama, the US president, has contacted four Middle Eastern leaders on his first full day in office. Among the first leaders he contacted on Wednesday was Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president, who has been under intense political pressure since Israel launched its 22-day war on the Palestinian Gaza Strip. Obama went on to hold telephone conversations with Ehud Olmert, the Israeli prime minister, and Hosni Mubarak, the Egyptian president. He also spoke to King Abdullah of Jordan. Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, said: He used this opportunity on his first day in office to communicate his commitment to active engagement in pursuit of Arab-Israeli peace from the beginning of his term, and to express his hope for their continued co-operation and leadership. Obama was sworn in as US president two days after Israel and Hamas called separate unilateral ceasefires after a three-week Israeli offensive in the Palestinian Gaza Strip. Prior to his inauguration, Obama was criticised for remaining silent on the conflict, in which more than 1,300 Gazans and 13 Israelis died. Egypt and Jordan both have diplomatic relations with Israel and Abbas is considered to be Israel's and the West's partner in peace. Obama did not speak to the overthrown Hamas government, nor other Arab leaders who support the group's armed struggle against the Jewish state. 'Warm conversations' During the warm telephone calls, Obama emphasised his determination to work to help consolidate the ceasefire by establishing an effective anti-smuggling regime to prevent Hamas from re-arming, and by working with the Palestinian leadership to help create a a major reconstruction effort for Palestinians in Gaza, Gibbs said. Marwan Bishara, Al Jazeera's senior political analyst, said that Obama highlighting the need to stop the smuggling of weapons into Gaza would be problematic. If this is the tone of voice of which Barack Obama is speaking to the leaders in the Middle East, it is going to be disappointing to a lot of people in Gaza. There is nothing about his understanding and sympathy to the suffering of those people who were under shelling and bombardment for more than three weeks, and hence no true approach that reflects a sincerity and change in the American approach to Israel-Palestine. However, Bishara said that Obama's speedy contact with the Middle Eastern leaders is positive and showed a responsiveness and a responsibility for the events in the region. Source: Al Jazeera and agencies --- Jusfiq Hadjar gelar Sutan Maradjo Lelo Allah yang disembah orang Islam tipikal dan yang digambarkan oleh al-Mushaf itu dungu, buas, kejam, keji, ganas, zalim lagi biadab hanyalah Allah fiktif. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Yahoo: 7/7 suspect 'arrested in Pakistan'
7/7 suspect 'arrested in Pakistan' Wednesday, January 21 07:01 pm Press Assoc. * Print Story British officials are investigating reports that an al Qaida leader wanted over the July 7 bombing attacks on London has been arrested in Pakistan. Skip related content Related content * MP attacks police over office entry * Ex-policeman in court on rape charges * Missing Girl Found In France * Related Hot Topic: Crime Have your say: Crime The Arab suspect was among seven militants detained by Pakistani security forces in the city of Peshawar this morning, an unnamed official told the AFP news agency. A Foreign and Commonwealth Office spokesman said: We are investigating the reports. Reports suggested the arrested suspect was from Saudi Arabia, but his alleged role in the attacks was not immediately clear. The July 7 2005 suicide bombings on London's public transport network killed 52 innocent people and injured more than 700. Copyright © 2009 Press Association Notice: We collect personal information on this site. To learn more about how we use your information, see our: Privacy Policy Printed from http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090121/tuk-7-7-suspect-arrested-in-pakistan-6323e80.html --- Jusfiq Hadjar gelar Sutan Maradjo Lelo Allah yang disembah orang Islam tipikal dan yang digambarkan oleh al-Mushaf itu dungu, buas, kejam, keji, ganas, zalim lagi biadab hanyalah Allah fiktif. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Aljazeera: Gaza war munitions investigated
UPDATED ON: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 20:51 Mecca time, 17:51 GMT News Middle East Gaza war munitions investigated Human rights groups and UN agencies have criticised suspected white phosphorus use in Gaza [Reuters] The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) says it will open an investigation into Israel's alleged use of depleted uranium during the 22-day offensive in the Gaza Strip. Wednesday's announcement came after Arab nations sent a letter to Mohammed ElBaradei, the IAEA director-general, asking the UN agency to investigate whether the controversial munitions were used in the war, which left more than 1,300 Palestinians dead. Depleted uranium is added to munitions because its density allows them to penetrate armour more easily. It is thought that the dust left at blast sites after the weapons have hit could pose a health risk, but a definitive link has not yet been proven. We are circulating the letter to member states and will investigate the matter to the extent of our ability, Melissa Fleming, an IAEA spokeswoman, said after the UN agency received the letter from the Saudi Arabian ambassador. The exact course of action will be decided after member states have been consulted, the UN agency said. Israel has been criticised by human rights groups and foreign officials over its suspected use of a number of weapons during its aerial, naval and ground assault on the Palestinian territory. Phosphorus investigation The Israeli army has launched an internal investigation into the use of white phosphorus, a highly incendiary substance that can burn away flesh to the bone. IN DEPTH Analysis and features from Gaza and Israel Track the war and submit your own reports Send us your views and eyewitness videos On Wednesday, Israel's Haaretz newspaper reported that the inquiry would focus on the alleged firing of about 20 phosphorus shells around the northern town of Beit Lahiya by Israeli paratroopers. Amnesty International, a London-based human rights group, has said that its use in Gaza's densely populated urban neighbourhoods was awar crime. International law does not outlaw white phosphorus, an obscurant used to create smoke screens to cover troop movements of illuminated targets, but human rights groups have said that its use could be illegal in civilian areas if all feasible precautions are not taken. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, along with the United Nations relief agency in Gaza, have said there is widespread evidence of Israel's use of the controversial chemcial munition during the Gaza war. Israel has previously refused to confirm that white phosphorus was used in the territory, but said that all weapons were legal under international law. Haaretz reported that the Israeli military fired a total of 200 white phosphorus shells during the three-week Gaza offensive. 'Rebuilding tunnels' There have also been accusations that the Israeli military used Dense Inert Metal Explosive (Dime) weapons in urban areas causing horrific abdominal and leg injuries. When detonated, a Dime device expels a blade of charged tungsten dust that burns and destroys everything within a four-metre radius. One of Israel's stated aims of their offensive was to stop weapons being smuggled into the Gaza Strip. However, Al Jazeera on Wednesday received footage apparently showing the rebuilding of weapons smuggling tunnels into the Strip. Mark Regev, the spokesman for the Israeli prime minister, told Al Jazeera: We said we didn't want Hamas to re-arm when this is over ... But what we've got in place, which we didn't have before this campaign, is a broad international coalition ... who are committed to making sure Iranian missiles don't reach the Gaza Strip. Regev said this would be ensured by more intense border security between Gaza and Egypt and stepping up efforts to intercept rockets on transport routes from Iran to the Gaza Strip. Source: Al Jazeera and agencies --- Jusfiq Hadjar gelar Sutan Maradjo Lelo Allah yang disembah orang Islam tipikal dan yang digambarkan oleh al-Mushaf itu dungu, buas, kejam, keji, ganas, zalim lagi biadab hanyalah Allah fiktif. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[proletar] Re: Obama dan Indonesia
yah, memang adalah kekeliruan besar pabila obama dijadikan seolah-olah pahlawan juga untuk indonesia. hanya, salah kan saja beberapa tabloid-tabloid yang pernah menulis judul, Obama Menang Dunia Senang seolah-olah Obama dijadikan mahadewa di seluruh jagad raya ini. kecuali jagad raya amerika bolehlah, itu pun masih dalam ??? asal jangan mahadewa thd prubahan-prubahan yang aneh-aneh saja. yah, kita tunggu dan kita lihat saja nantinya... si jasad. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, heri latief herilat...@... wrote: Obama dan Indonesia obama itu politik histeria orang indonesia mau apa? obama dibilang eks anak betawi segala doi pernah tinggal kampung jakarta apa kau kira doi bisa lupa? bangsa indian yang punya amerika penobatan obama tak ada wakilnya sitting bull? obama pangkatnya presiden amerika bukan obama jagoan menteng dalam segala harapan orang miskin tenggelam cuma kenangan di masa silam sekarang lain lagi ceritanya obama itu adalah merika jangan lupa indonesia bukan amerika kapal bocor tenggelam tak mau semuanya mesti ditambal sulam dalam badai panik krisis ekonomi jangan salah sangka obama kerja buat kesejahteraan amerika heri latief amsterdam, 21/01/2009 http://progind.net/ http://herilatief.wordpress.com/ http/://akarrumputliar.wordpress.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] CNN.: Analysis: After the war, an uneasy peace
CNN.com Analysis: After the war, an uneasy peace * Story Highlights * Hamas militants hold parade in Gaza City to mark victory over Israeli forces * Israel ended three-week offensive last weekend; more than 1,300 Palestinians killed * Hamas still controls Gaza despite Israeli claims to have crippled militant group * Issues that prompted Israeli offensive still unresolved; fighting likely to flare up again From CNN Senior International Correspondent Ben Wedeman GAZA CITY (CNN) -- Just a few hours before President Barack Obama rode in a triumphal parade from Capitol Hill to the White House, in Gaza City there was another triumphal parade. Thousands of people, carrying Hamas' green flag and the banners of other Palestinian factions, converged on the now demolished Palestinian parliament. There, the usual bombastic speeches were made over a makeshift sound system about victory over the Zionist enemy and the need to resist Israeli aggresion and liberate all Palestinian territory from Israeli occupation. I've covered dozens of such victory celebrations in Gaza -- and what struck me as I watched the smiling, chanting crowd go by was that despite everything that has happened here since 27 December 2008, when Israel launched its version of shock and awe, little has actually changed. Despite Israel's intense bombardment of Gaza, the deaths of more than 1,300 people (a majority of whom appear to have been civilians), the wounding and maiming of more than 5,000 more, the destruction of thousands of buildings, including ministries, hospitals, U.N. facilities, even Gaza's American International School, Hamas is still in business. VideoWatch Hamas supporters celebrate in Gaza » The morning after Israel's unilateral ceasefire went into effect, Hamas-controlled police were back on the streets directing traffic. Hamas fighters were walking around central Gaza City with their AK-47 assault rifles slung casually over their shoulders, workers from the electricity company had begun the mammoth task of repairing the damage, and government bulldozers were busy clearing rubble off the streets. That same morning I was on the northern edge of Beit Lahiya, close to the border with Israel, and saw two rockets streak into the sky in the direction of Israel. The rockets were a message to Israel: We are still here. Later Sunday Hamas announced its own ceasefire. Israeli officials insist they have successfully crippled Hamas, but no one in Gaza -- not even those who would like to see Hamas disappear off the face of the earth -- shares that opinion. Hamas was shaken by the Israeli offensive, but is still standing. Among many in the Arab world -- though not necessarily the region's rulers- -- Hamas and its fighters are now heroes. Like Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2006, Hamas did not raise a white flag nor did its fighters surrender en masse to Israeli forces. Compare that with the utter humiliation and defeat suffered by the combined regular armies of Jordan, Syria and Egypt in just six days of fighting with Israel in June 1967. A pattern may be emerging where the Israeli military -- by far the best equipped in the region -- simply cannot defeat its enemies on the battlefield. And, as any student of the Middle East knows, to survive is to triumph. Also unchanged is Israel's determination to maintain its stranglehold on Gaza, put in place in January 2006 following Palestinian parliamentary elections that brought Hamas to power. It will almost certainly not ease its strict control on what and how much goods enter and exit through Gaza's crossings. Israel is equally determined not to open a dialogue with Hamas, and will do its best to bend sympathic ears in Washington and European capitals to ensure no one else talks to them either. Western warships may soon be deployed to ensure nothing -- weapons but also non-military goods -- reaches Gaza by sea. Officials of the European Union have said no aid will go to Gaza as long as Hamas is in control. Likewise, Israel and the U.S., during the final days of the Bush administration, signed a memorandum of understanding aimed at stopping smuggling from Egypt to Gaza (never mind that Egypt was neither a signatory nor was consulted). It all adds up to a continuation of the policy best summed up by Dov Weisglass, an advisor to Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, who said: The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger. In short, all the factors that led up to Israel's offensive -- the rockets, the siege, Hamas' political isolation -- are unchanged. After the war, Hamas needs a respite, the Israeli government probably would like some relief from the harsh international criticism of its actions, and the people of Gaza are desperate for peace and quiet, as are the Israelis who live around Gaza. There may indeed be a period of relative quiet, but another flare up -- perhaps worse
[proletar] halo...mau tanya
Halo...mau tanya Aku peserta milis baru, Aku bingung nih apakah peserta milis Jusfiq Hadjar [utusan.al...@yahoo.co.uk] sama dengan utusan.allah [utusan.al...@yahoo.co.uk] Kalau tidak sama, koq bisa ya alamat emailnya sama. Wasalam pamungkas Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] halo...mau tanya
Banyak orang mau jadi utusan Alloh atau Alloh, dan oleh karena itu dunia kacau balau, karena umat tidak bisa membedakan mana yang asli dan mana yang palsu. - Original Message - From: kg.pamungkas To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:25 PM Subject: [proletar] halo...mau tanya Halo...mau tanya Aku peserta milis baru, Aku bingung nih apakah peserta milis Jusfiq Hadjar [utusan.al...@yahoo.co.uk] sama dengan utusan.allah [utusan.al...@yahoo.co.uk] Kalau tidak sama, koq bisa ya alamat emailnya sama. Wasalam pamungkas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Israel's Accidental YouTube War
Piq, have fun http://blog.wired.com/defense/2009/01/israels-acciden.html By Noah Shachtman EmailJanuary 21, 2009 | 1:25:23 PM Categories: Info War, Sabras, Video Fix JERUSALEM — From afar, it seemed like a well-crafted propaganda plan, plotted out long in advance. Turns out Israel's three-phased push to shape the images coming out of the Gaza war had a healthy dose of improvisation and happy accident, too. The Israeli Defense Forces had largely shut the foreign press out of Gaza for most of its fight with Hamas that left more than 1,300 dead. At the same time, the military filmed its own videos and posted them on YouTube. It seemed to many observers — including this one — like an attempt to use the new, social media to do an end run around the old-school press. Well, not exactly. Yes, the IDF made a deliberate effort to tightly control what the world saw of the conflict. Yes, the Israelis carefully documented their operation, to defend themselves in the court of public opinion (and maybe in criminal court, too). But the YouTube part? That was more off-the-cuff than thought-out plan. Shortly before the start of the war, a group of twenty-something IDF soldiers wanted some way to share their story of the conflict online. So they got their bosses' blessing to roll out a YouTube channel. Spy drones' cameras were already recording the war zone from on high, after all. IDF video teams were trained — and ready to embed with the infantry — once the ground invasion began. The footage was meant to be shared with the press, anyway. So why not let everybody see it? Little did they know that their the site would garner international attention and rack up more than two million views. Spokesmen are now video-blogging in English and in Arabic. And there's talk in the IDF of a crafting a real-life master plan to invade social media. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Israel's Accidental YouTube War
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Leo Susanto leosusa...@... wrote: Piq, have fun http://blog.wired.com/defense/2009/01/israels-acciden.html ... Wah dasar haram jadah ! Koq bisa gitu ya, sekolah jadi timbunan bomb dan roket. Terus digang yg nuju kesekolah itu jadi timbunan makanan dari PBB yg di embat oleh Hamas. Dasar arep ! Sengaja nyambit deket sekolah, nanti kalo disambit balik : Tuh liat, sekolah aja diembat Yahud ! Babi bukan ? Bajingan bukan ? Haram jadah bukan ? Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: bakmi...
sama bak-jog yg di jl bengawan atau bak-jog pak karso jl abc enak mana? --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, hadingrh hadin...@... wrote: tadi selepas maghrib, sambil nyari angin gw mabur ke jalan panatayuda. tujuannya cuma satu,... nikmatin bakmi jogja lagi.. yg... alaa maakk ... maknyus!! bayangin aja, mana murah, tapi enaknya bisa kerasa berhari2. suer...!! jadi ngiler lagi kalo dibayang2in. kimhook.. coba elu bayangin .. boleh sambil ngiler, tapi ntu gigi tongosnya digulung dikit yah.. mienya lembut. telornya gak anyir. kuahnya serasa mantap.. baunya harum. porsinya pas. gak ada duanya dah.. mungkin ada juga bakmi jogja lain yg rasanya enak. tapi dari beberapa bakmi yg pernah dicoba, kayaknya yg di sana rasanya lebih spesial. dan satu hal lagi yg bikin mereka lebih spesial adalah, air teh seduhnya. eit .. jangan salah kimhook.. jangan elu pikir ini haratis... tetep kudu dipesen jadi gak cuma2 dikasih.. pemanisnya bukan nutra-sweet, bukan sakarin, apalagi gula jawa. tapi dari gula batu. diseduh sendiri di cangkir tanah liat. panas2 diserupuuutt bayangin deh sendiri!!! Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] great.pretender2000 itu Nasrani munafik.....(wRe: Bangsa Israel itu memang
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, gsuryana gsury...@... wrote: Jangan kepikiran dengan ditambah kondisi luka, baik luka patah tulang maupun yang lainnya, anda renungkan saja. berharap kimhook untuk merenung? merenung itu artinya berpikir dgn mendalam. sejak kapan kimhook bisa mikir? Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: Israel's Accidental YouTube War
saya pikir semuanya itu haram jadah, enggak Israel, enggak Hamas. gue stay out of this shit - gue cuman pengen setel tu timbangan keadilan dan fakta. 2009/1/21 kim3hook kim3h...@yahoo.com: --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Leo Susanto leosusa...@... wrote: Piq, have fun http://blog.wired.com/defense/2009/01/israels-acciden.html ... Wah dasar haram jadah ! Koq bisa gitu ya, sekolah jadi timbunan bomb dan roket. Terus digang yg nuju kesekolah itu jadi timbunan makanan dari PBB yg di embat oleh Hamas. Dasar arep ! Sengaja nyambit deket sekolah, nanti kalo disambit balik : Tuh liat, sekolah aja diembat Yahud ! Babi bukan ? Bajingan bukan ? Haram jadah bukan ? Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Hari ini loo yaa ^_^
Re: Hari ini loo yaa ^_^ Hari ini adalah waktu yang paling sempurna untuk memulai. Dari semua hari yang tersisa di sepanjang hidup anda, tidak ada waktu yang lebih tepat daripada hari ini. Mau mulai kalau persiapannya sudah sempurna? Waa bakalan nggak mulai-mulai deh. Mulai aja dari apapun yang anda anggap tidak sempurna. Perbaiki satu demi satu sepanjang jalan dan apa yang anda inginkan akan terwujud. Sebuah masterpiece atau karya besar tidak tercipta dengan sekali jalan. Memulai sesuatu itu sangat mudah. Semuanya ada di dalam jangkauan anda, termasuk hari ini. Jadi tunggu apalagi? Yang paling penting adalah mulai sekarang juga karena andalah pemilik hari ini. Tetap Semangat!! Rosa S Rustam (Ocha) biz-and-career-only-at http://www.dexton.adexindo.com PS: Buat rekan-rekan yang mau sharing atau sekedar say hello, kontak langsung yaa ke o...@adexindo.com Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: Jadi anjing Nasrani itupengkut gereja apa?
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patah hati aja... LOL..LOLmending kita terusin aja soal kompositor
heuheuheu .. (gak,
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Re: [proletar] halo...mau tanya
Lha selama alamat mail nya sama, sudah jelas orangnya sama. Mengenai nama yang menjadi berbeda itu sih tinggal settingannya saja. Sekarang anda perhatikan tulisannya saja, mana yang untuk berbantahan dan mana yang sekedar informasi..ide yang bagus tuh bisa memakai alamat mail yang sama dengan nama yang berbeda, jadi gak bikin pusing pembacanya. sur. - Original Message - From: kg.pamungkas kg.pamung...@gmail.com Halo...mau tanya Aku peserta milis baru, Aku bingung nih apakah peserta milis Jusfiq Hadjar [utusan.al...@yahoo.co.uk] sama dengan utusan.allah [utusan.al...@yahoo.co.uk] Kalau tidak sama, koq bisa ya alamat emailnya sama. Wasalam pamungkas Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: bakmi...
Mie Mang Dadang yang selalu lewat depan rumah juga uenak... Doski jualan di tanggung, ogut kadang mikir Rambo atawa arnold suwardeneger dari amrik ajah belon tentu mampu menanggung beban keliing kampung sambil nanggung tanggungan baksho yang pasti beratnya nggak akan lebih ringan daripada berat badan Jusfiq ;-) Saosnya saos kampung. Aku nggak ngarti dibuatnya bener-bener dari cabe merah atau dari pepaya atau cuma pakai pewarna merah dan asal pedes ajah, yang pasti tetep ajah enak Tadi malem saya ditraktir temen buat nyicipin Mie di Cafe di perempatan depan gedung propelat. Tapi nggak mood terlanjur sayang dan jatuh cinta sama bakso mang dadang sajah ... pokoknya hidup mang dadang ! Jadi tadi malem cuma basahin bibir ama espreso ajah. Notes : Mie yang di jalan ABC Porsinya ogut nggak kuat. Kebanyakan coy ! Perut ogut nggak muat ;-) Salam, Pinpin. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, johny indon johny_in...@... wrote: sama bak-jog yg di jl bengawan atau bak-jog pak karso jl abc enak mana? --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, hadingrh hadingrh@ wrote: tadi selepas maghrib, sambil nyari angin gw mabur ke jalan panatayuda. tujuannya cuma satu,... nikmatin bakmi jogja lagi.. yg... alaa maakk ... maknyus!! bayangin aja, mana murah, tapi enaknya bisa kerasa berhari2. suer...!! jadi ngiler lagi kalo dibayang2in. kimhook.. coba elu bayangin .. boleh sambil ngiler, tapi ntu gigi tongosnya digulung dikit yah.. mienya lembut. telornya gak anyir. kuahnya serasa mantap.. baunya harum. porsinya pas. gak ada duanya dah.. mungkin ada juga bakmi jogja lain yg rasanya enak. tapi dari beberapa bakmi yg pernah dicoba, kayaknya yg di sana rasanya lebih spesial. dan satu hal lagi yg bikin mereka lebih spesial adalah, air teh seduhnya. eit .. jangan salah kimhook.. jangan elu pikir ini haratis... tetep kudu dipesen jadi gak cuma2 dikasih.. pemanisnya bukan nutra-sweet, bukan sakarin, apalagi gula jawa. tapi dari gula batu. diseduh sendiri di cangkir tanah liat. panas2 diserupuuutt bayangin deh sendiri!!! Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: bakmi...
bandung salah satu kota kuliner terutama bakmi (dan bihun). mulai dari sepanjang jalan sudirman sampe tempat kost2an kayak di ciumbuleuit misalnya. bahkan bakminya sendiri memiliki aroma dan rasa, sehingga si kuahpun berkesan hanya jadi suplemen aja. masih tetangga bandung, bogor juga beken lantaran lo mi-nya. sementara di jogja, kayaknya gak seenak bakmi jogja yg kesohor. juga bakmi di bali, balikpapan, sampe menado yg penuh cakalang, rasanya gak karuan apalagi kalo udah ditambah menu yg aneh2. ba' - mi .. bukannya singkatan dari babi + mie? -duke- --- hadingrh hadin...@... wrote: tadi selepas maghrib, sambil nyari angin gw mabur ke jalan panatayuda. tujuannya cuma satu,... nikmatin bakmi jogja lagi.. yg... alaa maakk ... maknyus!! bayangin aja, mana murah, tapi enaknya bisa kerasa berhari2. suer...!! jadi ngiler lagi kalo dibayang2in. --- Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] muski ... ngomong lu
heran gw ... email ini gw kirim sampe 4x tapi gak nyampe2 ... kenapa ? heran gw... jadi memang ada kebingungan di posting ini : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/210200 jadi penasaran juga .. siapa sih si feifei sebenernya... eeh nemu nih ... http://www.polri.go.id/index.php?op=bukutamupagenow=3bln=11thn_val=2008 Tgl Kirim : Nov.29,2008-04:12 Nama: Feifei_fairy E-Mail : duladi...@yahoo.com Komentar: Dasar kepercayaan iman muslim dibangun diatas dusta,kebohongan dan teror pembunuhan yang biadab dimana saat zaman dan waktu sudah berubah kebenaran yang ada diungkapkan dan tidak bisa dihalangi ataupun dibendung serta kejahatan pembunuhan sudah dapat diantisipasi dan diminimalkan maka saat itu juga ambang kehancuran islam akan terjadi dan pada saatnya islam akan lenyap dan ini pasti terwujud. \r\nFeifei_fairy namanya feifei tapi pake email duladi_cs@ bentar ... nyari petunjuk lain ... ... nemu lagi nih : http://profiles.friendster.com/54040310 si feifei malah ngasih testi di blognya duladi ... something fishy ... makin menguatkan dugaan bahwa si feifei punya hubungan dgn si duladi.. atau, confirmed bahwa si feifei adalah si duladi itu sendiri.. dan soal si mus... ke-3nya punya kelakuan yg sama di milis2... mus... ente kudu ngasih penjelasan ... jangan cuma berani ngacak2 ngejelekin orang2 tionghoa Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: muski ... ngomong lu
nyangkut di folder spam (milis) --- hadingrh hadin...@... wrote: heran gw ... email ini gw kirim sampe 4x tapi gak nyampe2 ... kenapa ? heran gw... Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Israel's Accidental YouTube War
Fakta? Fakta taik kucing... Emang nggak ada yang namanya perang psikologis atau propaganda? --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Leo Susanto leosusa...@... wrote: saya pikir semuanya itu haram jadah, enggak Israel, enggak Hamas. gue stay out of this shit - gue cuman pengen setel tu timbangan keadilan dan fakta. 2009/1/21 kim3hook kim3h...@...: --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Leo Susanto leosusanto@ wrote: Piq, have fun http://blog.wired.com/defense/2009/01/israels-acciden.html ... Wah dasar haram jadah ! Koq bisa gitu ya, sekolah jadi timbunan bomb dan roket. Terus digang yg nuju kesekolah itu jadi timbunan makanan dari PBB yg di embat oleh Hamas. Dasar arep ! Sengaja nyambit deket sekolah, nanti kalo disambit balik : Tuh liat, sekolah aja diembat Yahud ! Babi bukan ? Bajingan bukan ? Haram jadah bukan ? Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] BBC: 'Israeli strike' on school filmed
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7841406.stm --- Jusfiq Hadjar gelar Sutan Maradjo Lelo Allah yang disembah orang Islam tipikal dan yang digambarkan oleh al-Mushaf itu dungu, buas, kejam, keji, ganas, zalim lagi biadab hanyalah Allah fiktif. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Gaza father finds out child survived
Gaza father finds out child survived http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7843430.stm --- Jusfiq Hadjar gelar Sutan Maradjo Lelo Allah yang disembah orang Islam tipikal dan yang digambarkan oleh al-Mushaf itu dungu, buas, kejam, keji, ganas, zalim lagi biadab hanyalah Allah fiktif. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Masih ada anjing yang belum melihat kebiadaban seredadu israel?
Masih ada anjing Nasrani yang belum melihat kebiadaban serdadu Israel? Masih ada anjing bertubuh manusia seperti Ade Kim Hook yang masih bilang Arab haram jadah dihadapan kebiadaban serdadu israel dan begitu banyak manyat manuia bergbelimpangan di Gaza? --- Jusfiq Hadjar gelar Sutan Maradjo Lelo Allah yang disembah orang Islam tipikal dan yang digambarkan oleh al-Mushaf itu dungu, buas, kejam, keji, ganas, zalim lagi biadab hanyalah Allah fiktif. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Felix Siauw: Aku Menemukan Islam
Felix Siauw: Aku Menemukan Islam Sunday, 21 December 2008 Sangat sedikit manusia yang menggunakan akalnya untuk menemukan Tuhannya dan jati dirinya. Padahal kalau mau jujur dan jernih berpikir siapapun akan menemukan kebenaran Islam. Pengalaman Felix Siauw (24 tahun) bisa menjadi pelajaran. Berikut kisahnya. Jika kamu masih mempunyai banyak pertanyaan, maka kamu belum dikatakan beriman, Iman adalah percaya apa adanya, tanpa reserve. Begitulah kira-kira pernyataan yang akan selalu aku ingat di dalam hidup ini. Waktu itu aku masih seorang penganut Kristen Katolik. Di usiaku yang masih 12 tahun, banyak pertanyaan tentang kehidupan yang belum terjawab. Ada tiga pertanyaan yang paling besar yang muncul dalam benakku, yaitu darimana asal kehidupan ini, untuk apa adanya kehidupan ini, dan akan seperti apa akhir kehidupan ini. Lalu, Kenapa tuhan pencipta kehidupan ini ada tiga, yakni ada tuhan bapa, tuhan putra dan roh kudus? Darimana asal tuhan bapa?, atau Mengapa tuhan bisa disalib dan dibunuh lalu mati, lalu bangkit lagi? Aku diskusikan itu dengan orang tuaku atau dengan rohaniawan, tapi jawabannya mengambang dan tak memuaskan. Ketidakpuasan itu lalu mendorongku untuk mencari jawaban langsung dari Alkitab yang katanya datang dari tuhan. Betapa terkejutnya aku, aku baru tahu jika 14 dari 27 surat di Injil perjanjian baru ternyata ditulis oleh manusia, yaitu Santo Paulus. Lebih terkejut lagi ketika mengetahui bahwa sisa kitab yang lainnya juga merupakan tulisan tangan manusia yang dibuat setelah wafatnya Yesus. Konsep trinitas yang menyatakan tuhan itu tiga dalam satu dan satu dalam tiga ternyata adalah hasil konggres di kota Nicea pada tahun 325 M. Setelah mengetahui itu, kuputuskan bahwa agama yang kuanut tidaklah pantas untuk dipertahankan. Aku pun memutuskan untuk menjadi seorang yang tidak beragama, tetapi tetap percaya kepada Tuhan. Aku berkesimpulan bahwa semua agama tidak ada yang benar, karena sudah diselewengkan oleh penganutnya. Tanpa sadar waktu itu aku sudah menjadi manusia yang sinkretis dan pluralis. Bertemu Ustad Muda Waktu terus bergulir. Ketika aku kuliah di IPB memasuki semester ketiga, pemahamanku mulai berubah. Itu bermula dari perdebatanku dengan seorang teman tentang kebenaran. Syamsul Hadi, demikian nama temanku itu, mengatakan bahwa kebenaran hanya akan ditemukan di dalam Alquran. Aku pun berusaha mencarinya. Aku lalu dipertemukan dengan Ustad Fatih Karim, aktivis Islam. Lewat pertemuanku dengannya di Masjid Kampus itulah, perkenalanku dengan Alquran dimulai. Kepadanya, aku menceritakan tentang pengalaman hidupku termasuk berbagai pertanyaan besar yang belum terjawab tentang kehidupan. Kami lalu berdiskusi hingga mencapai suatu kesepakatan tentang adanya Tuhan pencipta alam semesta. Aku pun akhirnya paham bahwa adanya Tuhan, atau Sang Pencipta memanglah sesuatu yang tidak bisa disangkal dan dinafikan bila kita benar-benar memperhatikan sekeliling kita. Tapi masalahnya ada lima agama yang mengklaim mereka punya petunjuk bagi manusia untuk menjalani hidupnya. Yang manakah yang bisa kita percaya? tanyaku saat itu. Apapun diciptakan pasti mempunyai petunjuk tentang caranya bekerja, jawab Ustad Fatih. Lalu ia menambahkan, Begitupun juga manusia, masalahnya, yang manakah kitab petunjuk yang paling benar dan datang dari Sang Pencipta atau Tuhan yang Maha Kuasa? Lalu dibacakanlah ayat dalam Alur'an: Kitab (Al Quran) Ini tidak ada keraguan padanya; petunjuk bagi mereka yang bertaqwa (TQS al-Baqarah [2]:2) Mendengar ayat itu, aku terpesona dengan ketegasan, kejelasan serta ketinggian maknanya. Mengapa penulis kitab itu berani menuliskan seperti itu? pikirku. Seolah membaca pikiranku, Ustad Fatih melanjutkan, Kata-kata ini adalah hal yang sangat wajar bila penulisnya bukanlah manusia, ciptaan yang terbatas, Melainkan pencipta. Not creation but The Creator. Bahkan Alquran menantang manusia untuk mendatangkan yang semacamnya! Pikiranku saat itu bergejolak. Dalam hatiku berkata, Mungkin inilah kebenaran yang selama ini aku cari!. Tetapi ada beberapa keraguan di benakku. Mengapa agama yang sedemikian hebat malah terpuruk, menjadi pesakitan, hina dan menghinakan dirinya sendiri? tanyaku. Ustad itu menjelaskan bahwa Islam tidak sama dengan Muslim. Islam sempurna, mulia dan tinggi, tidak ada satu pun yang tidak bisa dijelaskan dan dijawab dalam Islam. Islam adalah sistem kehidupan. Sangat luar biasa penjelasannya. Sesuatu yang belum pernah aku dengar sebelumnya. Aku pun mulai sadar akan kelebihan dan kebenaran Islam. Keraguanku mulai luntur. Masuk Islam Aku pun akhirnya bisa menemukan jawaban sempurna atas ketiga pertanyaan besarku. Ternyata aku ini berasal dari Sang Pencipta dan itu adalah Allah SWT. Aku hidup untuk beribadah kepada-Nya sesuai dengan perintah-Nya yang tertulis di dalam Alquran. Alquran itu dijamin datang dari-Nya. Setelah hidup ini berakhir, kepada Allah lah aku akan
[proletar] Aljazeera: Outcry over weapons used in Gaza
UPDATED ON: Monday, January 19, 2009 22:44 Mecca time, 19:44 GMT News Middle East Outcry over weapons used in Gaza One doctor described the injuries as 'new' and 'much more dramatic' than landmine wounds [AFP] Medics working in the Gaza Strip have condemned Israel's use of suspected new weapons that inflict horrific injuries they say most surgeons will not have seen before. Dr Jan Brommundt, a German doctor working for Medecins du Monde in the south Gazan city of Khan Younis, described the injuries he had seen as absolutely gruesome. Speaking to Al Jazeera on Tuesday, Brommundt said surgeons had reported many cases where casualties had lost both legs rather than one, prompting suspicions that the Israelis were using some form of Dense Inert Metal Explosives (Dime). When detonated, a Dime device expels a blade of charged tungsten dust that burns and destroys everything within a four-metre radius. Brommundt also described widespread but previously unseen abdominal injuries that appear minor at first but degenerate within hours causing multi-organ failure. It seems to be some sort of explosive... that disperses tiny particles... that penetrate all organs Dr Jan Brommundt Initially everything seems in order... but they will present within one to five hours with an acute abdomen which looks like appendicitus but it turns out on operation that dozens of miniature particles can be found in all of their organs, he said. It seems to be some sort of explosive or shell that disperses tiny particles at around 1x1 or 2x1 millimetres that penetrate all organs, these miniature injuries, you are not able to attack them surgically. The doctors said many patients succomb to septicaemia and die within 24 hours. Dr Erik Fosse, a Norwegian surgeon who worked at the Al-Shifa hospital in northern Gaza during the Israeli offensive in Gaza, also told Al Jazeera there was a significant increase in double amputations. We suspect they [Israel] used Dime weapons because we saw cases of huge amputations or flesh torn off the lower parts of the body, he said. The pressure wave [from a Dime device] moves from the ground upwards and that's why the majority of patients have huge injuries to the lower part of the body and abdomen. Cancer fears Fosse described the injuries as extreme and much more dramatic than those inflicted by landmines as legs are blown off to the groin, it's like they have been cut to pieces. IN DEPTH Analysis and features from Gaza and Israel Track the war and submit your own reports Send us your views and eyewitness videos He described them as new injuries that most doctors will not have come across, although he noted similar wounds were reported in the 2006 Lebanon war. Noting that Dime explosives are precision weapons that are supposed to minimise civilian casualties, Fosse said: The problem is that most of the patients I saw were children. If they [the Israelis] are trying to be accurate, it seems obvious these weapons were aimed at children. Fosse called on the UN to establish a body in Gaza to monitor survivors to see if they developed cancer, following claims Dime devices contain radioactive material. Medics and observers have also accused the Israelis of using white phosphorus - banned from use near civilians under international law - in the densely populated Gaza Strip. Human rights organisation Amnesty International (AI) said on Monday that delegates it sent to Gaza had found indisputable evidence of widespread use of white phosphorus in densely populated residential areas in Gaza City and in the north. We saw streets and alleyways littered with evidence of the use of white phoshorus, including still burning wedges and the remnants of the shells and canisters fired by the Israeli army, Christopher Cobb-Smith, a weapons expert touring Gaza as part of AI's four-person delegation, said. White phosphorus is a toxic chemical that causes severe burns and sparks fires that are difficult to extinguish. It is dispersed in artillery shells, bombs and rockets and burns on contact with oxygen and is used to create a smokescreen to hide the movement of troops. War crimes? Israel fiercely denies using weapons in such a way as to contravene international law. Major Avital Leibovich, a spokeswoman for the Israeli military, reiterated Israel was using munitions that other militaries in the world are using and that weapons were deployed according to international law . Pressed on the number of civilian and child casualties in Gaza, she accused Hamas, the Palestinian faction that controls the territory, of hiding fighters within civilian areas and using ordinary Gazans as human shields. Israelis in responsible positions, as well as Palestinians ... are going to be looking over their shoulders in the days and weeks to come Mark Taylor, international law expert Leibovich also said the international community needed to ask itself whether
