Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi kewarganegaraan
saya enggak suka wartawan model seperti anda 2011/4/14 item abu > > > Kenapa lu ga jawab? > > > > From: David Silalahi > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 1:17:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi > kewarganegaraan > > udah kayak wartawan aja > > 2011/4/14 item abu > > > > > > > Kalo misal di Indonesia nongol aturan semua warganya hrs Islam kayak di > > Saudi, > > apa yg akan lu lakukan? > > > > > > > > From: David Silalahi > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 8:13:22 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi > > kewarganegaraan > > > > setuju itu seharusnya sebelum dikeluarkan maka disetujui. karena saya > tidak > > berasal dari sana maka sepertinya kurang tepat penggunaan kata setuju. > > > > kalau pengertian anda setuju adalah menerima, maka saya tidak bisa > > menerimanya. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] filsafat dan penjelasan...
Filsafat dan penjelasan t: apakah yang diurai oleh wawan al kafirun jaya adalah filsafat? j: ya betul, wawan al kafirun jaya sedang berfilsafat materialisme realistis, dari membaca buku VI Lenin, Epicurus, Confucius, Karl Marx, Feuerbach, focault, einstein, werner heisenberg, friedman, darwin, oparin, ted grant, alan wood, hegel, trotsky, stalin, soekarno, tan malaka, dan lain sebagainya, bacaan-bacaan itu adalah pengalaman empiris materialisme abstraktif/reflektif ditambah dengan pengalaman empiris wawan al kafirun jaya sendiri dalam mengamatai alam semesta, sehingga dari kombinasi-kombinasi/dialektika tersebut muncullah filsafat wawan al kafirunisme jaya. t: bagaimana mengukur kebenaran/ketepatan sebuah filsafat j: dari penjelasannya realistis atau tidak, empiris atau tidak, dari ujicoba premis-premis yang disodorkan menciptakan/menyimpulkan jawaban logis/realistis/tepat atau tidak Imajinasi dan Idealisme t: Untuk apa memahami filsafat al kafirunisme jaya? j: agar mempunyai weltanschauung/pola pikir/world view yang paling realistis/tepat/jitu (tentu setelah diujicoba dengan premis-premis) t: untuk apa mempunyai weltanschauung/pola pikir/world view yang jitu? j: 1. bisa digunakan hanya untuk memahami cara kerja alam semesta dan hukum-hukum sejarahnya/sejarah sosial saja 2. bisa digunakan sebagai alat untuk menciptakan imajinasi dan idealisme baru yang realistis dan idealis a. sebuah hiphotesa harus dibangun berdasarkan ketepatan hiphotesa sebelumnya b. sebuah persamaan baru (misal persamaan friedman), dibangun berdasarkan persamaan yg tepat sebelumnya (persamaan einstein), dan persamaan einstein dibuat berdasarkan salah satunya dari persamaan newton. c. dalam ilmu sosial bisa dicontohkan sbb: Hegel mengurai hukum-hukum sejarah, dan menarik kesimpulan dari hukum-hukum sejarah tsb yg disebut dengan nama dialektika, sedangkan Karl Marx, mengkonsepsikan Komunisme, mengimajinasikan Komunisme, atau Karl Marx ingin membentuk sebuah dunia baru yang idealis, berdasarkan analisa dialektika materialisme histori/sosial yang diperkenalkan oleh GW Hegel. apabila kita telah mengetahui hukum-hukum alam dan sejarahnya (termasuk sejarah sosial) dengan tepat, maka dengan kecerdasan kita, maka kita bisa membuat imajinasi/idea baru dan bisa mengukur/melihat secara konstekstual tentang kapan,dimana, dan dalam situasi apa, imajinasi atau idea-idea kita, tepat untuk diimplementasikan. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi kewarganegaraan
Kenapa lu ga jawab? From: David Silalahi To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 1:17:33 PM Subject: Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi kewarganegaraan udah kayak wartawan aja 2011/4/14 item abu > > > Kalo misal di Indonesia nongol aturan semua warganya hrs Islam kayak di > Saudi, > apa yg akan lu lakukan? > > > > From: David Silalahi > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 8:13:22 AM > > Subject: Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi > kewarganegaraan > > setuju itu seharusnya sebelum dikeluarkan maka disetujui. karena saya tidak > berasal dari sana maka sepertinya kurang tepat penggunaan kata setuju. > > kalau pengertian anda setuju adalah menerima, maka saya tidak bisa > menerimanya. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria
Hehehe... jadi lu ga tau bhw nabi lu dan csnya itu baru berhasil ngerampok pertama kalinya di Naklakh setelah berkali2 nyoba ngerampok tp gagal. Itu semua dilakukan nabi lu bukan krn diganggu orang Mekah setelah nabi lu pindah ke Medinah. Lu yg ga tau fakta ini krn lu ga belajar Islam dgn benar. Baca tuh sirah si Hisham, jangan sirah karangan si Haekal yg ga beda dgn roman picisan. Nih buat ngetest diri lu sendiri, apa lu tau kenapa 2:217 itu nongol? Gua tau kenapa itu nongol, kalo lu ga tau berarti lu itu hrs belajar lebih banyak, kalo perlu bolehlah lu belajar ke sang ustadz di milis ini, hehehe From: Abbas To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 11:23:46 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria Ya memang mungkin kaudapat medali nomor 2 tentang fitnah memfitnah. Dan memaki maki orang sudah lama mati. Kasian sebenarnya kamu ini; tak ada bahan lagi terus ngejelekin nabi dengan tanpa bosan2nya. Artinya ILMUmu hanya sampai situ saja.ILMU NEGATIF. Dapat darimana kau ? apa belajar dari Dawkins juga seperti juspiqk ? Atau pelajaran Agama Romawi yang nyatut nama Yesus. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > Hehehe... itu bani Mustaliq, bukan orang Mekah. > > Drmana tuh lu dpt kibulan? > > Nabi lu itu yg kerjanya ngerampok orang Mekah, udah berkali2 gagal sampe baru > berhasil di Naklakh. Selama itu, orang Mekah ga ngurusin lagi nabi bejad lu > yg > ada di Medinah, tp nabi lu itu yg terus ngeganggu orang Mekah. > > Lu tau kejadian di Naklakh? > > > > > > > From: Abbas > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 10:22:33 AM > Subject: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria > > > Nih kalau kau ingin tahu periwayatan yang sebenarnya : > Nabi ngirim surat pada MALIK2 Makkah; dimana dinyatakan > berhentilah mengganggu umat Islam; kalau masih mengganggu maka akan kami > BALAS; > > al. Kafilah kalian bakal dicegat dan diserbu. > Orang Makkah tak menjawab malah mentertawakan surat tersebut. Dianggap lelucon. > Sampai 3X Nabi mengirim surat seperti itu; hasilnya tetap sama; maka setelah >itu > > terjadilah serangan pertama ke KAFILAH Makkah yang > menuju Syam. > Sehingga timbullah kemarahan Penguasa Makkah dan mengirim 1000 > tentara; yang dilawan dengan hanya 300 orang Islam tanpa persenjataan > lengkap. > Hasilnya orang Quraisy dapat dikalahkan. > > Aapakah yang begitu anda sebut perampokan ? > Adakah perampok mengumumkan bahwa malam ini saya mau rampok rumahmu dan TV mu > akan saya ambil !??? > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > Kalo nabi lu nyerang orang yg lagi ngangon ternak tanpa pemberitahuan lebih > >dulu > > > > itu namanya perang atau ngerampok? > > > > Bukhari Volume 3, Book 46, Number 717: > > Narrated Ibn Aun: > > >I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the > > >Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they > >were > > > > >heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. > >Their > > > > >fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as > > >captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn > >'Umar > > > > >had told him the above narration and that Ibn 'Umar was in that > > >army. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Abbas > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 9:27:05 AM > > Subject: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria > > > > > > Perang dengan ngerampok berbeda; Tem ! > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > > > Hehehe apa nabi lu itu bukannya kerjanya ngerampok dan ngebunuh non > >Islam? > > > > > > Kalo ga gitu, emangnya nabi lu itu ngemis2 buat bisa punya bini sampe > >belasan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Abbas > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 9:02:14 AM > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria > > > > > > > > > Fitnah ! > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > > > > > Yg beginian udah kerjaan sehari2 orang Islam. krn emang beginilah >kerjaan > > > > > > nabinya, ngerampok dan ngebunuh non Islam, tentunya waktu si nabi > > > > punya > > > > kekuatan militer. > > > > > > > > Islam itu emang agama yg benar unt para bajingan keparat, bukan? > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=9954 > > > > > > > > 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in NigeriaApril 12, 2011 > > > > Armed with machetes and guns, 1,000 militants attacked the village of >Bar > > > > > >Arewa > > > > > > > > in the northern Nigerian state of Bauchi on April 7. “Almost every > > > > home >in > > > > > >the > > > > > >
Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi kewarganegaraan
udah kayak wartawan aja 2011/4/14 item abu > > > Kalo misal di Indonesia nongol aturan semua warganya hrs Islam kayak di > Saudi, > apa yg akan lu lakukan? > > > > From: David Silalahi > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 8:13:22 AM > > Subject: Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi > kewarganegaraan > > setuju itu seharusnya sebelum dikeluarkan maka disetujui. karena saya tidak > berasal dari sana maka sepertinya kurang tepat penggunaan kata setuju. > > kalau pengertian anda setuju adalah menerima, maka saya tidak bisa > menerimanya. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi kewarganegaraan
Kalo misal di Indonesia nongol aturan semua warganya hrs Islam kayak di Saudi, apa yg akan lu lakukan? From: David Silalahi To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 8:13:22 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi kewarganegaraan setuju itu seharusnya sebelum dikeluarkan maka disetujui. karena saya tidak berasal dari sana maka sepertinya kurang tepat penggunaan kata setuju. kalau pengertian anda setuju adalah menerima, maka saya tidak bisa menerimanya. 2011/4/13 item abu > > > Jawab aja pertanyaan apa lu setuju peraturan halal ngembat anak ingusan 13 > thn > di Saudi apa kagak? > > > > From: David Silalahi > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 5:05:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi > kewarganegaraan > > tentu saja saya menuruti peraturan, kalau tidak mau menuruti peraturan ya > lebih baik tinggalkan darah itu atau bicarakan dengan pemerintah. > > untuk apa hidup melanggar peraturan? > > anda lebih baik baca tulisan saya kembali, bahwa saya apabila tidak setuju > maka ada yang akan saya lakukan. > > orang kristen lainnya pun sepertinya akan sama pikirannya dengan saya yaitu > mengikuti aturan pemerintah, bukan melanggar aturan pemerintah. > > mau debat kusir apa lagi? > > 2011/4/13 item abu > > > > > > > Dasar tolol, gua ga bilang bhw kalo ga setuju itu hrs jadi anarkis. > > > > Tp akhirnya lu ini setuju kalo orang Kristen ga boleh nunjukin salib di > > muka > > umum di Saudi krn itu aturannya. Tentunya lu setuju jg anak ingusan > berumur > > 13 > > thn boleh diembat di saudi krn itu aturannya. > > > > Kebo aja, biarpun udah dicocok hidungnya kadang masih nolak diangon > > seenaknya, > > tp lu ini nurut aja ke tiap peraturan yg ada. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: Ga cuma mau ngebunuh, tp jg ngefitnah dan mau merkosa, hehehe...
Gua lagi nunjukin bejadnya orang Islam, kenapa si habe kebakaran jembut? Cuma ada 2 kemungkinan, pertama si habe ini emang sehaluan dgn orang Islam. Kalo ngeliat gimana si habe ini tukang ngefitnah kayak orang Islam, dan bersahabat dgn orang Islam pendukung pedophilia dan penganjur merkosa cino2, kemungkinan si habe sehaluan dgn orang Islam itu masuk akal. Yg kedua, si habe ini ngidap penyakit anjing gila, maka apa jg yg gua omongin akan bikin si habe mau ngegigit, persis kayak anjing gila yg akan ngegigit apa aja yg ada di depannya. Kira2, yg mana yah? From: Habe To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 8:12:50 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ga cuma mau ngebunuh, tp jg ngefitnah dan mau merkosa, hehehe... eh pantat item, lu baru baca artikel robert spencer aja lagaklu udah kayak islam expert, gue yang punya 2 buku dia aja ngga gitu gitu amat dasar benalu lu emang --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > Robert Spencer itu adalah orang di Jihad Watch yg aktif nunjukin bejadnya > Islam, dia sering dpt email dr orang2 Islam yg mau ngebantai si Spencer ini. > > Kita bisa lihat, ga cuma ngebantai, orang Islam pejihad di jalan auloh ini > jg > nuduh Spencer sbg gay dan mau merkosa si Spencer up and down. > > Kalo soal ngefitnah sih, hehehe orang2 Islam plus di milis ini jg udah >jadi > > tukang fitnah. Apa persamaan orang2 Islam plus dgn pejihad yg ngirim email > di > bawaj? Ya Islamnya. > > > > Today's death threat: "my Intention to Physically Slaughter you" > I apologize for the ickiness of this one. > Subject: If America Shall not Stop You > >Message: If America Shall not Stop you, Remember how long it takes you will > >be > > >put on trial like that DOG Husni Mubarak > > > >Spencer will be tied up and be brought to Justice Like the upraising of the > >Mulsim world put thier American-freindly Dictators into an END. > >After Salah and gaddafi > >We must Compell america to do something like you. > >STUPID> and Son of a Bitch > >Spencer's Sexual charectristic that is why he hate Islam is HE is A GAY. > >and A GAY deservesSCREW...(fill the blank). > >Despite my Intention to Physically Slaughter you I will also FUCK you UP and > >DOWN. > >IP: 196.201.207.191 > >HOST: 196.201.207.191 > I've gotten that gay thing before. Reza, is that you?Posted by Robert on > April > 13, 2011 8:12 AM | 45 Comments > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Diskusi Dengan Jusplik
sumpah gua ngakak barusan sampe temen kantor pada melongo. lol lol lol --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "arra_s" wrote: > > kocak banget... > boleh juga sering2 diliput diskusi si uda gilo tu. > asal jangan diliput oleh dirinya sendiri, bete banget... > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "liver_duke" wrote: > > > > buat kenang2an, boleh gak beh klo gw muat di blog? > > termasuk dgn penyesuaian tokoh tanpa merubah cerita. > > > > > > --- "Habe" wrote: > > > > > > Mediator : > > > Selamat datang suadara saudara di acara diskusi formal antara Jusfik > > > dengan Robert Plant dari Group Led Zeppelin, dengan tema umum yang > > > bervariasi dari musik ke politik. Bung Robert silahkan dimulai > > > > > > Robert : Selera musik menentukan rasa kebangsaan seseorang, bila suka > > > musik keroncong, itu artinya anda mencintai produk dalam negeri dan cinta > > > dengan negara tempat anda dilahirkan > > > > > > Jusplik : Anjing! Anda tau yang namanya anjing? Suharto itu menyukai > > > musik keroncong? Apa anda pikir algojo orde baru yang pernah membunuh > > > sekian juta manusia adalah seorang humanis? Anjing? Anda adalah lonte > > > orde baru!Kerak kenistaan! > > > > > > Robert: Maaf, bisa kasih contoh kapan saya bilang Suharto itu humanis? > > > > > > Juspig : Tolol! Biadab! Dungu! Suharto jelas tanganya berlumuran darah! > > > > > > Robert : Iya tapi kapan saya ngomong dia humanis? Bisa dibuktikan? > > > > > > Jusplik : Anjing! Tau yang namanya anjing? Nah anda adalah anjing yang > > > suka asal menggonggog!Suharto yang notabene adalah bangsat penjahat > > > perang tidak bisa dikatakan sebagai seorang humanis.. > > > > > > Robert: Jelas saya tahu anjing itu apa? Trus masalahnya kapan saya > > > ngomong Suharto itu humanis? > > > > > > Juswelfareplik: Anjing! Tau yang namanya anjing? Tukang fitnah nomor satu > > > yang asal menyalak seperti bebek yang baru dientotin money bonobo.Nah > > > itulah anda... > > > > > > Robert : Sebenarnya anda mau berduskusi atau tidak ? > > > > > > Jusplik : Tolol! Dungu! Otak kadal, anda seperti kebanyakan orang islam > > > yang notabene adalah menyembah almusah berotak tidak lebih gede dafri > > > otak kadal! > > > > > > Robert: Saya kristen, bukan Islam.. > > > > > > Juspig: Lonte! Anda adalah lonte tukang jilat pantat muslim tidak beda > > > seperti suryana, ayub yahya dan hasan basri yang gila sejak dia ketangkap > > > basah mengaku kalau si duke bukan moderator milis proletar > > > > > > Robert : Maaf pak moderator, si jusfiq ini kenapa > > > > > > Moderator : Anjing! Anda tau yang namanya anjing? Nama saya Item abu, > > > bukan pak moderator! > > > > > > Robert: What the fuck > > > > > > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: dah saya betul2 cabut (Begitu busuk Tawang yang dijilat Hasan Basri...)
kencing itu ada 2 macem pik: 1. kencing enak, 2. kencing enak banget. kayaknya elu belum pernah ngalamin 2-2nya ya? pake kateter mulu ke mana2 sih. LOL. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq" wrote: > > > Begitu busuk Tawang ygn adalah orang Islam yang pantatnya dijilat Hasan Basri > yang memagn sudah gila itu... > > Dia suruh saya mengencingi manusia... > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" wrote: > > > > Habe,ini sudah yg kedua kali saya mo cabut soalnya saya dilarang duduk2 > > satu majlis dg Yusfiq dan Item Abu Dapur.Nanti kalau Yusfiq sudah berani > > ngencingi Marlene saya janji mo balik lagi.Sekarang Good Bye dulu.Tapi > > pasti Yusfiq takut diusir oleh bininya nanti bisa2 kemah dia. > > > > Shalom, > > Tawangalun. > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Habe" wrote: > > > > > > tawang, > > > ente ngga perlu cabut dari sini > > > sebab mereka si kuplik dan si item culun bakalan > > > teriak teriak senang sekaligus bangga lantaran merasa menang > > > > > > gue lebih rela berteman sama elu dari pada manusia dajal seperti mereka > > > wang > > > > > > para atheist bloon > > > > > > cmon wang, jangan minggat > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" wrote: > > > > > > > > Niat saya exit akirnya kulaksanakan juga sebab yg kudapat disini : > > > > > > > > 1.Saya njur pinter misuh ketularan Yusfiq sama Item yg congornya memang > > > > trocoh. > > > > 2.Dulu sudah kutuliskan bahwa FURQAN memang melarang saya bersama wong > > > > Kafir yg clometan ttg FURQAN sementara kamu duduk2 disebelahnya. > > > > > > > > Tapi di Zamanku saya masih seneng nulis disana ada moderator jadi rada > > > > punya aturan. > > > > > > > > Shalom, > > > > Tawangalun. > > > > > > > > > > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Pikiran dan pengalaman (update)
t: Mengapa nonik dan mila ketika di kamar hotel melihat badu, dan nonik ingin ngentot dengan badu sedangkan mila tidak? j: 1. komposisi material didalam tubuh biologis nonik dan mila berbeda pada saat itu, komposisi material tubuh biologis nonik ber-serotonin x+1, berdopamine y-2, ber-melatonin h-7, sedangkan mila pada saat yg sama, komposisi material tubuhnya ber-serotonin x-5, berdopamine y+8, dan bermelatonin h+1 2. pengalaman empiris abstraksi/refleksi material/pikiran/pengalaman empiris di otak nonik dan mila berbeda 3. Mila dan nonik tidak menempati ruang dan waktu yang sama (tepatnya beda ruang) 4. kondisi fisikal perbedaan ruang yang ditempati nonik dan mila berbeda, dan itu mengakibatkan interaksi material biologis nonik dan mila didalam tubuh biologisnya sendiri dan di luar tubuhnya menjadi kombinasi kompleks ditambah interaksi material yang dimunculkan oleh badu, juga berubah-ubah, a. komposisi material didalam tubuh nonik, mila dan badu berbeda akibat menempati ruang yang berbeda b. komposisi pengalaman empiris abstraksi material/pikiran yang ada di otak mila, nonik, dan badu berbeda c. perbedaan penempatan ruang juga menstimulasi interaksi material di tubuh mila, nonik, dan badu t: apakah belief system itu? j: belief system tak lain adalah pengalaman empiris abstraksi material benda-benda di luar tubuh manusia, yang berinteraksi dengan manusia, atau boleh disebut sebagai tersimpan kedalam otak, melalui indera-indera manusia sebagai device input dan output. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] ingin mengetahui cara kerja alam semesta dan sistem sosial???
apabila ingin mengetahui realitas cara kerja alam semesta dan sistem sosial, silakan baca link berikut: http://alexarussia.blog.friendster.com/2011/04/wawan-alexa-materialist-teori-dan\ -spekulasifaq/ saya akan update terus dengan para debater... Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Prinsip ketidakpastian Werner Heisenberg
Prinsip ketidakpastian Werner Heisenberg t: mengapa elektron ketika diamatai gerakannya, maka kita kehilangan waktunya, sedangkan ketika kita mengamati fokus gerakannya kita kehilangan momentumnya j:karena ada gerakan, akibat gerakan timbul perubahan, gerakan itu sendiri tidak bisa konstan, sehingga perubahan juga tidak konstan (bisa evolusi dan bisa revolusi) t: apakah apabila tidak ada manusia, elektron tetap akan bekerja seperti yang diurai oleh Werner Heisenberg? j: ya, cara kerja seperti itu adalah realitas obyektif, yang tanpa pengamatan manusia-pun akan tetap bekerja seperti itu. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] pengalaman subyektif..
c. setiap manusia-pun sebagai mahluk biologis yang terdiri dari susunan materi ansich yang unique, berinteraksi dengan keadaan luar dirinya, yaitu kondisi alam semesta yang selalu unique, sehingga menimbulkan pengalaman-pengalaman yang sangat unique dari setiap manusia yang disimpan di memorynya/otaknya. Manusia tidak pernah berada di ruang dan waktu yang sama, dan tentunya juga tidak pernah menjumpai fenomena diluar dirinya yang sama, (inilah yang disebut sebagai pengalaman/empiris subyektif/unique) Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria
Ya memang mungkin kaudapat medali nomor 2 tentang fitnah memfitnah. Dan memaki maki orang sudah lama mati. Kasian sebenarnya kamu ini; tak ada bahan lagi terus ngejelekin nabi dengan tanpa bosan2nya. Artinya ILMUmu hanya sampai situ saja.ILMU NEGATIF. Dapat darimana kau ? apa belajar dari Dawkins juga seperti juspiqk ? Atau pelajaran Agama Romawi yang nyatut nama Yesus. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > Hehehe... itu bani Mustaliq, bukan orang Mekah. > > Drmana tuh lu dpt kibulan? > > Nabi lu itu yg kerjanya ngerampok orang Mekah, udah berkali2 gagal sampe baru > berhasil di Naklakh. Selama itu, orang Mekah ga ngurusin lagi nabi bejad lu > yg > ada di Medinah, tp nabi lu itu yg terus ngeganggu orang Mekah. > > Lu tau kejadian di Naklakh? > > > > > > > From: Abbas > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 10:22:33 AM > Subject: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria > > > Nih kalau kau ingin tahu periwayatan yang sebenarnya : > Nabi ngirim surat pada MALIK2 Makkah; dimana dinyatakan > berhentilah mengganggu umat Islam; kalau masih mengganggu maka akan kami > BALAS; > al. Kafilah kalian bakal dicegat dan diserbu. > Orang Makkah tak menjawab malah mentertawakan surat tersebut. Dianggap > lelucon. > Sampai 3X Nabi mengirim surat seperti itu; hasilnya tetap sama; maka setelah > itu > terjadilah serangan pertama ke KAFILAH Makkah yang > menuju Syam. > Sehingga timbullah kemarahan Penguasa Makkah dan mengirim 1000 > tentara; yang dilawan dengan hanya 300 orang Islam tanpa persenjataan > lengkap. > Hasilnya orang Quraisy dapat dikalahkan. > > Aapakah yang begitu anda sebut perampokan ? > Adakah perampok mengumumkan bahwa malam ini saya mau rampok rumahmu dan TV mu > akan saya ambil !??? > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > Kalo nabi lu nyerang orang yg lagi ngangon ternak tanpa pemberitahuan lebih > >dulu > > > > itu namanya perang atau ngerampok? > > > > Bukhari Volume 3, Book 46, Number 717: > > Narrated Ibn Aun: > > >I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the > > >Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they > > > > >were > > > > >heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. > >Their > > > > >fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as > > >captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn > >'Umar > > > > >had told him the above narration and that Ibn 'Umar was in that > > >army. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Abbas > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 9:27:05 AM > > Subject: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria > > > > > > Perang dengan ngerampok berbeda; Tem ! > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > > > Hehehe apa nabi lu itu bukannya kerjanya ngerampok dan ngebunuh non > >Islam? > > > > > > Kalo ga gitu, emangnya nabi lu itu ngemis2 buat bisa punya bini sampe > >belasan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Abbas > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 9:02:14 AM > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria > > > > > > > > > Fitnah ! > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > > > > > Yg beginian udah kerjaan sehari2 orang Islam. krn emang beginilah > > > > kerjaan > > > > > nabinya, ngerampok dan ngebunuh non Islam, tentunya waktu si nabi > > > > punya > > > > kekuatan militer. > > > > > > > > Islam itu emang agama yg benar unt para bajingan keparat, bukan? > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=9954 > > > > > > > > 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in NigeriaApril 12, 2011 > > > > Armed with machetes and guns, 1,000 militants attacked the village of > > > > Bar > > > > >Arewa > > > > > > > > in the northern Nigerian state of Bauchi on April 7. âAlmost every > > > > home in > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > > village was destroyed, and some elderly people were reported to have > > > > been > > > > >burnt > > > > > > > > to death in their homes,â according to Christian Solidarity > > > > Worldwide. > > > > > > > > The group is part of a larger band of 2,000 militants that has been > >attacking > > > > > > > > > non-Muslim villages. > > > > > > > > 15% of the nationâs 146.5 million people are Catholic, according to > >Vatican > > > > > > > > statistics. 50% are Muslim, 25% are Protestant, and 10% retain > > > > indigenous > > > > > beliefs. > > > > > > > > Source(s): these links will take you to other sites, in a new window. > > > > * Election violence in Nigeria before and on polling day > > > > (Christian > > >Solidarity > > > > > > > > >
[proletar] Re: u can count on me ..
dan teknologi sekarang adalah teknologi praktis egois (alias sesukanya pabrik yg bikin). sound system jadul minimal ada 3 tingkat: player, ampli, equalizer. saya suka equalizer yg band nya lebar, potensio nya berderet banyak. jaman sekarang semuanya integrated. waktu beli home theatre, saya nanya penjualnya +"setting equalizernya gimana?" -"wah ngga ada pak, semuanya preset. untuk musik ada mode pop, rock, jazz, classic, concert. untuk film ada mode action, drama, sport dan night" +"mode bokep ada ngga?" -"ngga ada pak, mungkin cocoknya yg begituan pake mode sport" --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ajeg" wrote: > > > Dibanding sekarang, teknologi jaman doeloe memang melatih orang > untuk teliti & apik. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: kelakuan orang punya otak kah ?
Itu tindakan lebih gila lagi juspiak. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq" wrote: > > > Nah, karena "great pretender" dan "sebuah kenyataan" sudah membuktikan > dengan telak bahwa buku taik anjing al-Mushaf yang anda jadikan kitabh suci > itu TIDAK berisi wahyu Allah, maka sekarang turutkanlah contoh Wawan. > > Injak-injaklah buku taik anjing al-Mushaf yang hingga sekarang masih anda > jadikan kitab suci itu dihadapan keluarga anda. > > Lebih bagus lagi bila anda ajak mereka meludahi tu buku taik anjing > beramai-ramai. > > Lantas mengencinginnya bersama-sama. > > Lalu bareng memberakinya. > > Kemudian membuang buku taik anjing berisi suruhan buas, kejam, keji, zalim > lagi biadab itu ke Laut Jawa atau ke kawah gunung Merapi. > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Abbas Amin wrote: > > > > katakan tahun 1998 ! Bulan April > > Beli qur_an kemudian diikencingin. > > Keduakalinya beli lagi kitab yang sama Juli 1998; dikencingin lagi ! > > > > Ketiga kalinya uang yang ada digunakan untuk beli kitab yang sama; > > September 1998 ! Dikencingin lagi > > > > dan seterusnya, mungkin belasan kali uang disiasiakan. > > > > Lain kali diinjak injak; beberapa kali juga. > > > > buang2 uang hanya untuk begitu ! > > LOGIKANYA dima > > Utaknya dipake gak yah ?! > > Atau ada something wrong barangkali !? > > > > Tapi bagus juga sih; penjaja qur_an di Eropa kan terbatas; > > kalau banyak yang ILLOGIC seperti ini urang Arab atau Turki mungkin > > bisa menggaruk keuntungan. > > > > Lain kali. aku senang juga jualaan KITAB untuk diinjak injak manusia > > seperti ini !? > > Kan lumayan laku. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Sejarah alam dan sejarah sosial .
Sejarah alam dan sejarah sosial . t: apakah sejarah sosial bisa terpisahkan dengan sejarah alam? j: tidak, karena sejarah sosial adalah bagian dari sejarah alam, sejarah sosial adalah domain dari sejarah alam, mahluk sosial juga merupakan mahluk alam, sehingga kerumitan kompleks/ketidakpastian gerakan mahluk sosial juga menjadi bagian kerumitan kompleks gerakan alam. 1. manusia adalah species/mahluk alam 2. sebagai species alam, maka manusia antar manusia bisa saling mempengaruhi 3. manusia sebagai species alam mampu mempengaruhi alam 4. demikian juga alam mampu merubah bentuk species manusia bukannya ini semua adalah interaksi material-material alam belaka??? t:adakah teori sosial yang bisa menyelesaikan persoalan sosial dan menjawab persoalan sosial secara sempurna dan tuntas? j:tidak ada, meski itu sidharta, jesus, maupun mohammad, focault, nietzsche, marx, adam smith, dlsb t: setelah munculnya spesies manusia dlm kala evolusi material, apakah manusia berkembang-biak dan bertahan hidup seperti hewan2 lain? Ada loh hewan hermafrodit yg saling membuahi, ada juga yg berbiak dng memotong badannya sendiri Adakah hewan2 tadi berekonomi, berbudaya, dst? j: hewan-hewan hanya mencoba survival di kehidupan alamnya saja, persis seperti manusia dng melalui methodologi/mekanisme ekonomi, budaya,politik,dlsb, dlm perpekstive saya .ya cuman untuk survival di alam semestanya saja di sisi lain, hewan sebenarnya juga punya budaya, politik, ataupun ekonomi versi mereka buat survival kehidupannya di alam semesta t: dari manakah teori materialisme sosial? j: teori materialisme sosial tentunya berasal/muncul/diakibatkan dari teori materialisme fisikal, karena segala hal di alam semesta ini sebenarnya hanya interaksi material fisikal saja. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Pikiran dan pengalaman
Pikiran dan pengalaman t:Mengapa pemikiran manusia selalu berbeda? j:Karena interaksi komposisi materi manusia yang ada didalam dirinya dan diluar dirinya tidak pernah sama dan terulang/unique t:apakah benar di alam semesta komposisinya tidak pernah sama? j:ya, komposisi alam semesta dalam setiap detiknya berubah, tidak pernah sama, dan tidak pernah terulang, demikian juga komposisi materi sel tubuh manusia, dalam setiap detiknya berubah, tidak pernah sama, dan tidak pernah terulang. t:bagaimana kombinasi interaksi manusia secara wawan's materialist kafirun jaya? j:manusia adalah sekumpulan dopamine variable=xy, serotonin v=zf, melatonin v=gh, yang berinteraksi dengan memory/pengalamannya yang didapatkannya dari obyek material alam detik 1 v=fg, detik 2 v=mn, detik 3 v=hj dan juga interaksi materi di luar dirinya seperti cahaya v=67, suhu v=87, v=maria ozawa sebagai benda yg kita lihat sbg v=yt6 t:bagaimana kemungkinan manusia ereksi? j: a. kombinasi interaksi reaksi neuron didalam tubuhnya, dan menyebabkan misal darah ngumpul ditititnya saja b. kombinasi interaksi reaksi neuron didalam tubuhnya dan memory ingatannya/pengalamannya ketika ngintip puting jenna jamison c. kombinasi interaksi reaksi neuron didalam tubuhnya dan interaksi cahaya, oksigen, etc, serta interaksi dengan materi fisikal LCD yang lagi menembakan materi-materi yang memvisualkan gambar rin sakuragi sedang telanjang (dalam istilah kedokterannya: lagi nonton bokep) Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Pikiran dan pengalaman
Pikiran dan pengalaman t:Mengapa pemikiran manusia selalu berbeda? j:Karena interaksi komposisi materi manusia yang ada didalam dirinya dan diluar dirinya tidak pernah sama dan terulang/unique t:apakah benar di alam semesta komposisinya tidak pernah sama? j:ya, komposisi alam semesta dalam setiap detiknya berubah, tidak pernah sama, dan tidak pernah terulang, demikian juga komposisi materi sel tubuh manusia, dalam setiap detiknya berubah, tidak pernah sama, dan tidak pernah terulang. t:bagaimana kombinasi interaksi manusia secara wawan's materialist kafirun jaya? j:manusia adalah sekumpulan dopamine variable=xy, serotonin v=zf, melatonin v=gh, yang berinteraksi dengan memory/pengalamannya yang didapatkannya dari obyek material alam detik 1 v=fg, detik 2 v=mn, detik 3 v=hj dan juga interaksi materi di luar dirinya seperti cahaya v=67, suhu v=87, v=maria ozawa sebagai benda yg kita lihat sbg v=yt6 t:bagaimana kemungkinan manusia ereksi? j: a. kombinasi interaksi reaksi neuron didalam tubuhnya, dan menyebabkan misal darah ngumpul ditititnya saja b. kombinasi interaksi reaksi neuron didalam tubuhnya dan memory ingatannya/pengalamannya ketika ngintip puting jenna jamison c. kombinasi interaksi reaksi neuron didalam tubuhnya dan interaksi cahaya, oksigen, etc, serta interaksi dengan materi fisikal LCD yang lagi menembakan materi-materi yang memvisualkan gambar rin sakuragi sedang telanjang (dalam istilah kedokterannya: lagi nonton bokep) Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi kewarganegaraan
setuju itu seharusnya sebelum dikeluarkan maka disetujui. karena saya tidak berasal dari sana maka sepertinya kurang tepat penggunaan kata setuju. kalau pengertian anda setuju adalah menerima, maka saya tidak bisa menerimanya. 2011/4/13 item abu > > > Jawab aja pertanyaan apa lu setuju peraturan halal ngembat anak ingusan 13 > thn > di Saudi apa kagak? > > > > From: David Silalahi > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 5:05:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi > kewarganegaraan > > tentu saja saya menuruti peraturan, kalau tidak mau menuruti peraturan ya > lebih baik tinggalkan darah itu atau bicarakan dengan pemerintah. > > untuk apa hidup melanggar peraturan? > > anda lebih baik baca tulisan saya kembali, bahwa saya apabila tidak setuju > maka ada yang akan saya lakukan. > > orang kristen lainnya pun sepertinya akan sama pikirannya dengan saya yaitu > mengikuti aturan pemerintah, bukan melanggar aturan pemerintah. > > mau debat kusir apa lagi? > > 2011/4/13 item abu > > > > > > > Dasar tolol, gua ga bilang bhw kalo ga setuju itu hrs jadi anarkis. > > > > Tp akhirnya lu ini setuju kalo orang Kristen ga boleh nunjukin salib di > > muka > > umum di Saudi krn itu aturannya. Tentunya lu setuju jg anak ingusan > berumur > > 13 > > thn boleh diembat di saudi krn itu aturannya. > > > > Kebo aja, biarpun udah dicocok hidungnya kadang masih nolak diangon > > seenaknya, > > tp lu ini nurut aja ke tiap peraturan yg ada. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Ga cuma mau ngebunuh, tp jg ngefitnah dan mau merkosa, hehehe...
eh pantat item, lu baru baca artikel robert spencer aja lagaklu udah kayak islam expert, gue yang punya 2 buku dia aja ngga gitu gitu amat dasar benalu lu emang --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > Robert Spencer itu adalah orang di Jihad Watch yg aktif nunjukin bejadnya > Islam, dia sering dpt email dr orang2 Islam yg mau ngebantai si Spencer ini. > > Kita bisa lihat, ga cuma ngebantai, orang Islam pejihad di jalan auloh ini > jg > nuduh Spencer sbg gay dan mau merkosa si Spencer up and down. > > Kalo soal ngefitnah sih, hehehe orang2 Islam plus di milis ini jg udah > jadi > tukang fitnah. Apa persamaan orang2 Islam plus dgn pejihad yg ngirim email > di > bawaj? Ya Islamnya. > > > > Today's death threat: "my Intention to Physically Slaughter you" > I apologize for the ickiness of this one. > Subject: If America Shall not Stop You > >Message: If America Shall not Stop you, Remember how long it takes you will > >be > >put on trial like that DOG Husni Mubarak > > > >Spencer will be tied up and be brought to Justice Like the upraising of the > >Mulsim world put thier American-freindly Dictators into an END. > >After Salah and gaddafi > >We must Compell america to do something like you. > >STUPID> and Son of a Bitch > >Spencer's Sexual charectristic that is why he hate Islam is HE is A GAY. > >and A GAY deservesSCREW...(fill the blank). > >Despite my Intention to Physically Slaughter you I will also FUCK you UP and > >DOWN. > >IP: 196.201.207.191 > >HOST: 196.201.207.191 > I've gotten that gay thing before. Reza, is that you?Posted by Robert on > April > 13, 2011 8:12 AM | 45 Comments > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Ga cuma mau ngebunuh, tp jg ngefitnah dan mau merkosa, hehehe...
Robert Spencer itu adalah orang di Jihad Watch yg aktif nunjukin bejadnya Islam, dia sering dpt email dr orang2 Islam yg mau ngebantai si Spencer ini. Kita bisa lihat, ga cuma ngebantai, orang Islam pejihad di jalan auloh ini jg nuduh Spencer sbg gay dan mau merkosa si Spencer up and down. Kalo soal ngefitnah sih, hehehe orang2 Islam plus di milis ini jg udah jadi tukang fitnah. Apa persamaan orang2 Islam plus dgn pejihad yg ngirim email di bawaj? Ya Islamnya. Today's death threat: "my Intention to Physically Slaughter you" I apologize for the ickiness of this one. Subject: If America Shall not Stop You >Message: If America Shall not Stop you, Remember how long it takes you will be >put on trial like that DOG Husni Mubarak > >Spencer will be tied up and be brought to Justice Like the upraising of the >Mulsim world put thier American-freindly Dictators into an END. >After Salah and gaddafi >We must Compell america to do something like you. >STUPID> and Son of a Bitch >Spencer's Sexual charectristic that is why he hate Islam is HE is A GAY. >and A GAY deservesSCREW...(fill the blank). >Despite my Intention to Physically Slaughter you I will also FUCK you UP and >DOWN. >IP: 196.201.207.191 >HOST: 196.201.207.191 I've gotten that gay thing before. Reza, is that you?Posted by Robert on April 13, 2011 8:12 AM | 45 Comments [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] PKS Praises Lawmaker Caught in Porn Flap
Apa tu orang ngaku dia nonton video porno dr folder di ipadnya atau dia masih ngaku dia cuma sekedar buka link dr email yg masuk? From: sunny To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 2:37:59 AM Subject: [proletar] PKS Praises Lawmaker Caught in Porn Flap Refleksi : Nonton porno pada sidang pariporno, tentu saja patut mendapat pujian sebagai contoh bagus kepada masyarakat dari Partai Kebutuhan Sex! http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/pks-praises-lawmaker-caught-in-porn-flap/435084 PKS Praises Lawmaker Caught in Porn Flap Anita Rachman | April 13, 2011 A lawmaker who resigned over allegations that he watched a pornographic video during a plenary session has been praised by his party for setting a good example. Arifinto, from the Prosperous Justice Party (PKS), announced his resignation on Monday after being photographed last Friday viewing the pornographic material on his tablet computer during a plenary session of the House of Representatives. On Tuesday, Mustafa Kamal, the PKS chairman at the House, said Arifinto's resignation highlighted his sense of responsibility to the public. "Arifinto has set a good example for other party members and all officials in the administration," he said, adding the decision to resign rather than face an ethics tribunal was the brave choice. Mustafa said this show of accountability was a step toward "building a new political culture" in the country. House Speaker Marzuki Alie, from the ruling Democratic Party, agreed that instilling a sense of shame among misbehaving public officials was a good idea, but cautioned against rushing to judge those embroiled in controversies. He said anyone suspected of moral or ethical infringements should be considered innocent until proven guilty. "Someone could be suspected of being guilty of something, but that wouldn't mean the suspicions were necessarily true," Marzuki said. "If someone is pressured to resign and they eventually cave in, what happens if later on they are proved to be innocent?" He cited the case of Mukhamad Misbakhun, also from the PKS, who was convicted last November by the Central Jakarta District Court of falsifying documents while serving as a commissioner for Selalang Prima Internasional in order to obtain a $22.5 million line of credit from the troubled Bank Century. He was sentenced to a year in jail, and upon appeal to a higher court had his sentence doubled. Still, Marzuki cautioned against jumping to conclusions until a final decision in the case was delivered by the Supreme Court. However, he said that in cases where legislators faced criminal charges and were automatically suspended from their posts, they should rescind all rights to their salaries and other benefits. "In this case, the role of the House Ethics Council becomes important," Marzuki said. Ali Maschan Moesa, an Ethics Council member from the National Awakening Party (PKB), said that in Arifinto's case, it appeared he had been pressured by his party to resign. He added that with a new ethics code in place for the House, the council could now work faster to clear the backlog of complaints lodged against a slew of legislators in various cases. Yunarto Wijaya, a political analyst with Charta Politika, said the key to keeping politicians in line was a working system of internal controls within their parties, something many parties currently lacked. He said that while Arifinto should be lauded for resigning in the wake of the scandal, it was taking it a step too far to say he was a model party member. Resigning over a suspected ethical breach is often implicit confirmation of the breach itself, Yunarto said. "And we didn't hear anything from Arifinto about it being his fault," he said. "We should also look at this case a bit closer: On the day after the plenary session, Arifinto clarified his conduct, but then he resigned." Yunarto said that rather than taking a moral stance and admitting to watching the video before announcing his resignation, Arifinto had instead resigned merely to save his party further embarrassment. This is why it is important for political parties to have control systems in place to evaluate and punish members found in breach of ethical or moral standards, he said. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prole
Re: [proletar] Suryana menjilat pantat orang yang menyuruh memperkosa perempuan..
Kebanyakan orang emang ga peduli dgn orang lain, selama bukan diri sendiri yg jadi korban, maka mereka ga keberatan bergaul dgn bajingan keparat. Ini termasuk jg rata2 orang "kristen". Si Suryana ini kan kebakaran jenggot waktu gua gua tabok krn ngebangga2in nonton kitaro sementara masih banyak orang yg sangat kekurangan. Misalnya ada orang yg ga punya duit unt perawatan di rumah sakit, sementara kalo ga dirawat orangnya akan mati. Tp, mendingan ngabis2in duit buat nonton kitaro atau nyium2in batu memek item drpd ngurusin orang lain, bukan? From: Jusfiq To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 10:07:25 PM Subject: [proletar] Suryana menjilat pantat orang yang menyuruh memperkosa perempuan.. Suryana menjilat pantat Tawang, orang Islam yang menyuruh memperkosa perempuan Tionghoa, artinya bisa saja istri atau anak Suryana sendiri.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] INDONESIA - ARAB SAUDI JALIN KERJA SAMA PERTAHANAN
Dan penganiayaan thd tkw jalan terus, hehehe From: sunny To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 9:55:44 PM Subject: [proletar] INDONESIA - ARAB SAUDI JALIN KERJA SAMA PERTAHANAN Refleksi : Bila kekuasaan rezim Indonesia terganggu seperti apa yang terjadi di Bahrain, apakah Arab Saudia akan kirim tentara ke Indonesia seperti apa yang mereka lakukan terhadap Bahrain? http://www.kemhan.go.id/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=9594 INDONESIA - ARAB SAUDI JALIN KERJA SAMA PERTAHANAN Jakarta, Pemerintah Indonesia dan Arab Saudi sepakat untuk menjalin kerja sama pertahanan yang meliputi pendidikan dan pelatihan, pertukaran personel serta pengembangan industri pertahanan. Siaran pers Kementerian Pertahanan yang diterima ANTARA di Jakarta, Selasa mengatakan, kesepakatan kerja sama itu terungkap dalam pertemuan Wakil Menteri Pertahanan Sjafrie Sjamsoeddin dan Pangeran Khalid bin Sultan, dalam lawatannya ke Arab Saudi. "Kedua belah pihak pada Juni 2011 akan membentuk 'Working Group' atau 'Military Joint Committee' (WG/MJC) dengan tugas melakukan inventarisasi ruang lingkup kerja sama. Pertemuan pertama WG/MJC direncanakan diadakan di Riyadh, Saudi Arabia atau di Jakarta. Pertemuan forum WG/MJC, selanjutnya diikuti dengan penandatanganan nota kesepahaman kedua pihak pada Desember 2011. Selain itu, dalam lawatannya tersebut, Wamenhan Sjafrie juga memperkenalkan beberapa produk militer buatan Indonesia, seperti senjata jenis rifle SS2 V1 produksi terbaru PT Pindad dan miniatur model pesawat angkut medium jenis CN 235 produksi PT Dirgantara Indonesia. Selama berada di Riyadh, Wamenhan juga berkesempatan berkunjung ke Shaqr Al-Jazeera Museum yang museum militer King Abdul Aziz yang merupakan museum sejarah aviasi Arab Saudi, serta "Advance Electronic Company" yang merupakan perusahaan elektronik mutakhir milik Kemhan Arab Saudi. Sumber : Antara [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Wawan alexa materialist teori dan spekulasi ...
Wawan alexa materialist teori dan spekulasi Freuently asked question t=tanya j=jawab t: Apakah alam semesta itu? j: Alam semesta adalah suatu ruang/dimensi yang tersusun oleh materi/zat/fisikal ansich saat ini teori fisika quantum telah sampai kepada penjelasan definisi dan cara kerja partikel sub-atomic,dan quark t: Apakah manusia itu? j: manusia adalah mahluk biologis yang merupakan bagian dari alam yang juga tersusun oleh materi/zat/fisikal ansich t: Apakah alam tanpa manusia, apakah alam masih exist? (pandangan kaum idealis) j: Ya, alam dan partikelnya akan tetap exist tanpa manusia (bahkan tanpa sidharta, jesus, ataupun mohammad sekalipun) t: bagaimana cara kerja materi penyusun alam semesta? j: cara kerjanya selalu berubah/hukum pertukaran identitas t: apabila materi sub-atomic bekerja seperti itu lantas bagaimana cara kerja alam semesta secara luas? j: cara kerjanya juga akan selalu berubah dan berketidakpastian, karena alam semesta secara luas merupakan penjumlahan susunan materi sub-atomic t: mengapa manusia selalu mempunyai pandangan yg bipolar atau kontradiksi atau selalu mempunyai pandangan yang unique? j: a. itu tak lain karena otak manusia sendiri tersusun atas partikel sub-atomic yang flux/berubah-ubah/selalu berganti identitas/bipolar/kontradiksi/berubah b. itu akibat setiap materi adalah unik, dan jumlah materi superbillion di alam semesta ini selalu berinteraksi sehingga mengakibatkan fenomena alam yang unique/tak pernah sama di dalam setiap detiknya conto: detik 1 alam menunjukan fenomena variable x,akibat kerja interaksi kombinasi kompleks dari superbillion materi akibat gejala alam detik 1, maka detik 2 alam berfenomena y,akibat kerja interaksi kombinasi kompleks dari superbillion materi akibat gejala alam detik 2, maka detik 3 alam berfenomena y,akibat kerja interaksi kombinasi kompleks dari superbillion materi gejala ini terus menerus/berkelanjutan dan sangat unique dalam setiap detik/waktu gejalanya dan dalam setiap waktunya, fenomena kombinasi kompleks dari superbillion materi tidak mungkin terulang kembali c. setiap manusia-pun sebagai mahluk biologis yang terdiri dari susunan materi ansich yang unique, berinteraksi dengan keadaan luar dirinya, yaitu kondisi alam semesta yang selalu unique, sehingga menimbulkan pengalaman-pengalaman yang sangat unique dari setiap manusia yang disimpan di memorynya/otaknya. Manusia tidak pernah berada di ruang dan waktu yang sama, dan tentunya juga tidak pernah menjumpai fenomena diluar dirinya yang sama kita ingat bahwasanya c1: manusia adalah mahluk alam yg terdiri dari susunan materi ansich, yang pola susunan selnya selalu berubah tiap saat dan tidak pernah sama (reaksi kimiawi neuron) c2: reaksi kimiawi neuron manusia diakibatkan dua sebab, yaitu interaksi materi didalam tubuh biologisnya sendiri dan juga interaksi dengan materi di luar dirinya, seperti cahaya, makanan, minuman, oksigen yang dihirup, co2 yg dikeluarkan, dlsb t: mengapa pendapat einstein mengatakan alam bekerja seperti teratur dan werner heisenberg mengurai prinsip ketidakpastian? j: mereka mengamati dari sudut pandang yang berbeda, dari ruang yang berbeda, dan waktu yg berbeda, dan keduanya tidak ada yg salah, karena sewaktu obyek pengamatan diamati oleh einstein, ia bekerja seperti teratur, ketika diamati heisenberg ia bekerja seperti menjadi tidakpasti antara gerakannya diukur dengan waktunya. t: bagaimana manusia berpersepsi? j: manusia berpersepsi dengan dua cara, yaitu induksi atau generalisasi,sehingga mengakibatkan obyek pengamatan tampak sama dan manusia bisa juga berpersepsi secara deduksi, sehingga mengakibatkan obyek pengamatan tampak tidak sama. t: lalu apakah alam tanpa manusia tetap akan selalu berubah, berkontradiksi, dan berketidakpastian? j: ya Manusia dan mahluk sosial t: apakah manusia itu? j: yang pasti dan realistis dan monism, manusia adalah mahluk biologis, namun karena ia mahluk biologis yang terdiri atas susunan materi yang bekerja secara dialektik, maka ia selalu mempunyai 2 sifat yang kontradiksi, sifat yang selalu berubah, dan sifat yang unique/khas, tidak ada manusia yang sama 100% absolut. Manusia secara absolut adalah mahluk alam, namun secara sifat, ia bisa menjadi mahluk individu, dan juga menjadi mahluk sosial/komunal. Sifat yang kontradiksi antara sifat individu dan komunal ini tak lepas dari akibat manusia adalah mahluk biologis alam, yang interaksinya bisa berupa a. manusia sebagai species alam berinteraksi dengan manusia lain sebagai species alam (interaksi sosial) b. manusia berinteraksi dan mempengaruhi alam c. alam berinteraksi dan mempengaruhi manusia d. alam berinteraksi dengan alam di luardiri manusia dan dilihat oleh indera manusia (interaksi alam dan manusia) maka menjadi pengalaman unique yang disimpan di otak memory manusia. t: mengapa ilmu sosial sulit dipastikan? j: akibat alam termasuk manusia sebagai mahluk alam tersusun oleh sub-atomic yg berketidakpastian ilmu
Re: [proletar] dah saya betul2 cabut
Hehehe ternyata si tawangalun yg nganjurin merkosa cino2 dan pendukung pedophilia ini punya banyak fans. From: suryana To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Cc: tawanga...@yahoo.com Sent: Sun, January 1, 2006 10:04:23 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] dah saya betul2 cabut Kang Tawang ngapain cabut dari kampung ini ?, jangan karena gara gara si ireng abu gosok en uda JQ, mereka kan dah termasuk manusia gagal, masuk in ajah alamat mail mereka kedalam trash alias di blog, semua jadi rapi, aku sudah memblock grepe, uda JQ dan bentaran lagi si ireng abu gosok. sur. - Original Message - From: "Tawangalun" > Niat saya exit akirnya kulaksanakan juga sebab yg kudapat disini : > > 1.Saya njur pinter misuh ketularan Yusfiq sama Item yg congornya memang > trocoh. > 2.Dulu sudah kutuliskan bahwa FURQAN memang melarang saya bersama wong > Kafir yg clometan ttg FURQAN sementara kamu duduk2 disebelahnya. > > Tapi di Zamanku saya masih seneng nulis disana ada moderator jadi rada > punya aturan. > > Shalom, > Tawangalun. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] "Protecting" Libyans with a silent killer
http://rt.com/news/silent-killer-uranium-depleted/ Published: 12 April, 2011, 09:39 Edited: 13 April, 2011, 00:36 "Protecting" Libyans with a silent killer Published: 12 April, 2011, 09:39 Edited: 13 April, 2011, 00:36 With the Libyan rebels rejecting an African Union peace plan, there seems to be no end in sight for the conflict. The opposition is still relying on coalition forces to help its cause, but it seems they could prove more of a hindrance. It has been claimed the allies have used depleted uranium in their attacks - a substance which causes cancer and mutations in those affected. Libyan rebels could be seen climbing on a tank to celebrate one of the coalition's latest successful strikes, unaware of the silent killer they may have been breathing in. Gulf War veteran and depleted uranium expert Melissa Sterry believes the rebels on the tank would have been getting low-level radiation exposure. Though the western coalition denies using depleted uranium in bombings in the country, others say there is a good chance weapons with the highly poisonous radioactive element have been used. "With that kind of damage, there is a pretty good chance it was a DU [depleted uranium] round. I am about 80-90 per cent sure it was a DU round. That is very stupid. The level of the wind blowing, that means the particles . so all these people in the cars are exposed," explains Sterry. Sterry served in the US military during the first Gulf War in the early 1990s, clearing-up battlefields in Kuwait. Back then the US dropped more than 350 tons of depleted uranium over Kuwait and Iraq. The pictures of bombings in Libya seem all too familiar. "You see how there are touches of red?" Sterry says, watching footage of the bombings. "That is the burning. See how it shoots out instead of concentrated up and the flare at the bottom? That is a depleted uranium explosion." Depleted uranium in military terms is highly efficient - relatively cheap and powerful enough to penetrate the heaviest armor. NATO flatly denies its use in Libya. Even though the UN human rights commission has called for a ban, countries which have refused to sign up include the US, the UK, France and Israel. Investigative journalist Dave Lindorff is not surprised by NATO's denial of the use of depleted uranium in Libya. "The only people who could blow the whistle would be the pilots and the people that are actually putting the ammunition onto the planes," he said. "They are in the military, and they are not talking." The smallest particles of uranium, nanoparticles, are the most dangerous. Once inhaled, they get into the blood and can spread into any organ, including the heart, brain, liver. Once the particles penetrate cell tissue, all kinds of genetic mutations can develop. People in Iraq, for example, breathe in the contaminated air every day. And experts say there is no way to fight it. In the Iraqi city of Fallujah, where the US dropped thousands of depleted uranium rounds after the 2003 invasion, a quarter of all babies are born with a range of horrendous abnormalities. Higher rates of cancer, leukemia and infant mortality have been found there than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the atomic bombs were dropped. The US and the British military admitted widespread use of depleted uranium in bombing Bosnia in 1995 - a legacy felt today with cancer and leukemia rates several times higher than normal among locals. "We have got total medial confirmation all around Iraq that the effects of the uranium are there. We see it throughout Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Somalia, Balkans, now we see it moving into Libya," says Doctor Doug Rokke. He was a leading specialist in the clean-up after the Gulf War and says there is no way of actually decontaminating affected areas. "I was given a written memorandum to lie about the effect of depleted uranium," claims Rokke. He himself was exposed to depleted uranium and has cancer. Almost all of the other members of his team are now dead. The First Gulf War left one in four American soldiers disabled. Only around 260 veterans were tested for depleted uranium, out of almost 700,000 deployed for the war. "Every time I asked to be tested for exposure to depleted uranium, people have refused to give me the test," says Melissa Sterry. Some fear that the suffering of those bombed - in areas where there are no western troops - will go unnoticed. Depleted uranium has a half-life of 4.5 billion years - hence its description by some as the silent killer that will never stop killing. "This is forever, essentially, and the danger to it is because it's very heavy, uranium is extremely heavy. It sinks down low into the ground, and it gets into the water channels. So the problem will be that 20, 30 or 40 years from now, you're going to have the steady leakage of both toxic metals and uranium into the water channels of t
[proletar] Libya: Who wins?
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2011/1042/op7.htm 7 - 13 April 2011 Issue No. 1042 Published in Cairo by AL-AHRAM established in 1875 Libya: Who wins? While the media presents Western intervention in Libya as aiding a just uprising of the Libyan people, the reality is very different, writes Curtis Doebbler Watching the Western media, one would think that the Libya crisis was a domestic uprising in which the West felt morally obliged to help and came to aid of ordinary citizens. But a closer look than we are allowed by the "controlled" Western media shows a much different picture. Rather than the result of a spontaneous show of public participation, the conflict besieging Libya may have been a classic expression of neo-colonialism. The West, especially the United States and its Gulf allies, rather than embracing the peoples' expression of participation in Egypt and Tunisia contrived events in Libya to be able to control these expressions and ensure that they did not result in these people or any other in the region being able to decide how to govern themselves. Before the situation in Libya erupted, Western countries were investing heavily both in Libyan oil and in removing Colonel Muammar Gaddafi. The two goals were not incompatible for them as they were both driven by the capitalist motivation of greed. They could not let the oil flow by them without taking their share and, they thought, if they can replace the colonel with a Western puppet they can increase their profit as well as their control over the source of this profit. Now we know that Western intelligence agencies were operating inside Libya long before the disturbances started. They were so well entrenched that as soon as the Libyan public got involved they could provide them diplomatic, strategic and military support. In such circumstances it is also fantastically naïve to think that Western intelligence officers were not fermenting unrest. Recently, a Swiss military official speaking on condition of anonymity explained how the Swiss had invested millions if not billions in trying to remove the Libyan colonel since their rift with him started in 2008. US military aid to Libya -- the training of Libyan soldiers -- was widely rumoured to be accompanied with ideological efforts to convert Libyan officers to an American style of life. It may have been no coincidence that the "Libyan revolution" has from the start been led by former members of the same regime they now claim to be opposing. To fend off such efforts, Libya bought influence with the West. The very same coalition that is bombing the people of Libya today contributed to their coffers in the recent past. Libya helped finance French President Nicolas Sarkozy's election campaign in 2007. Libya invested heavily in the UK and the US, often inviting US businessmen and entertainers to participate in extravagant events and projects. And Libya invested heavily in the capitalist markets of Europe and the United States. Libya not only had political reasons to do so. It also had the wealth to do so. The Libyan people were the wealthiest of any of the 54 African states. Unlike the poverty-ridden populations of Tunisia and Egypt, Libyans had very good indicators of human development. Social and economic rights were so widely developed that Libya hosted hundreds of thousands of foreign workers. Yet despite its wealth, Libya remained a more socialist than capitalist state. This was hard for Western capitalists to palate. So too the opportunities for profit from a war with Libya are hard for Western capitalists to pass up. As Asia Times Online's Pepe Escobar reported in an article entitled "There's No Business Like War Business" on 30 March, the main beneficiaries of a war with Libya are the US Pentagon, the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO), Saudi Arabia, the Arab League's Amr Moussa, and Qatar, not the Libyan people in Tripoli, Benghazi or anywhere in Libya. When ordinary people rose up around the Middle East, these profiteers saw their opportunity to act. In the first instance, they may have thought that the ground was fertile enough from their significant investments in anti-colonel propaganda that all that was needed was some philosophical support. With a naiveté impertinent to the political sophistication of Libyans, the Sarkozy government sent French philosopher Bernard-Henri Lévy as their contribution to the rebels' cause. When this was not enough and it was clear that firepower had to be used to prevent the Libyan government from putting down the armed rebels -- a means had to be devised to use force. A mere Western intervention would uncover for sure the neo-colonialist intentions of the West. Arab support had to be found. The Arab League was a natural ally. Its secretary-general and a former lieutenant of disposed Egyptian president Hos
[proletar] Libya: Ceasefire or bust
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD14Ak01.html Apr 14, 2011 Libya: Ceasefire or bust By Pepe Escobar To follow Pepe's articles on the Great Arab Revolt, please click here. The so-called Libya contact group - that euphemism defining the minute Western/Gulf emirates "coalition of the willing" - meets in Doha, Qatar, ahead of a North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) ministerial meetings in Berlin, amid an atmosphere of downright farce. Former Libyan foreign minister and current defector to Britain Moussa Koussa is a stalwart of the Qatar meeting, trying to convince the "rebels" of the Interim National Council (INC) that the only possible solution for the moment implies Colonel Muammar Gaddafi remaining in power. That also happens to be exactly what mediator Turkey is saying. No wonder the "rebels" and their sponsors - the dashing Arab liberator Anglo-French couple President Nicolas Sarkozy and Prime Minister David Cameron - are fuming, and puzzled. The head of the African Union (AU) mission to Libya, South African President Jacob Zuma - whose country is the only member of the BRICS group that supported United Nations Security Council resolution 1973 (Brazil, Russia, India and China abstained) - was convinced that Gaddafi had embraced the AU road map, which started with a ceasefire. But there has been no ceasefire so far. The wall of mistrust between Gaddafi and the rebels/NATO tandem has reached Himalayan proportions. NATO secretary general Anders Fogh Rasmussen keeps stressing Gaddafi "does not keep his promises". Gaddafi is not fool enough to stop fighting while NATO may keep on bombing. As for the United States, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton - who along with her Amazon warriors, envoy to the UN Susan Rice and National Security Council aide Samantha Power, forced this sorry adventure on a reluctant White House - now also stress a ceasefire (but always with inbuilt "regime change"). It's quite useful to compare the AU approach - developed by South Africa, Uganda, Mali, Mauritania and Congo-Brazzaville - with NATO's. Once there's a ceasefire respected by both sides, there's the establishment of humanitarian corridors; civilians, local and foreigners (especially African migrant workers) can be protected; and a national political dialogue may start, meeting "the legitimate aspirations of the Libyan people for democracy". The INC is in no position to dictate its terms to Gaddafi. There's certainly a risk of a ceasefire reached after the current stalemate crystallizing a balkanization of Libya - east and west. But virtually no Libyans seem to want to embrace that possibility. The AU is simply being pragmatic. Libya - along with Algeria, Egypt, Nigeria and South Africa - finances 75% of the AU budget. Gaddafi is friendly with the majority of the 53-member AU; Mauritania, Mali and Congo-Brazzaville, for instance, benefited from a lot of Libyan investment (in fact, no less than 31 African countries did). On top of it the mediators are Africans - not neo-colonial Europeans. South Africa's Zuma would be the first to viscerally repudiate an Anglo-French-dominated Libya. There was ample suspicion about Zuma's motives when South Africa voted for UN resolution 1973. Anyway, the fact is now Zuma says what the top four BRICS plus Germany were saying before the vote; this Anglo-French-drafted resolution is open-ended. And it opens the door to the West just deposing any African leader they fancy, whenever they want it. Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni has also been instrumental in this mediation. He considers Gaddafi a true nationalist - and as most of his African peers, not to mention in the Middle East and across the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) in the developing world, they all favor nationalists compared to foreign puppets a la INC. Community values The AU mediation finally shatters the myth of the "international community" fighting the same old demonized "evil dictator" figure in Libya. Unless one considers the "international community" as comprised of seven members among the 28-member NATO (France, Britain, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Canada and the US), plus those two paragons of democracy in the Persian Gulf, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates (UAE). "Regime change" (which is not part of the UN resolution) does have support; but only in Washington, London, Paris and Benghazi. Now compare the realism of the AU position - similar to Turkey's - with the pathetic squabbling between the Anglo-French and NATO. London and Paris want NATO to go on a mad bombing spree - as if NATO bombs could be programmed to only decimate pro-Gaddafi Libyans. Coming from two political midgets such as British Foreign Secretary William Hague and French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe, that's no surprise. For its part, NATO's Brigadier-General Mark van Uhm tried to spin it in Brussels, warning - correctly - that Gaddafi's forces adapted to the ai
[proletar] Libya all about oil, or central banking?
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD14Ak02.html Apr 14, 2011 Libya all about oil, or central banking? By Ellen Brown Several writers have noted the odd fact that the Libyan rebels took time out from their rebellion in March to create their own central bank - this before they even had a government. Robert Wenzel wrote in the Economic Policy Journal: I have never before heard of a central bank being created in just a matter of weeks out of a popular uprising. This suggests we have a bit more than a rag tag bunch of rebels running around and that there are some pretty sophisticated influences. Alex Newman wrote in the New American: In a statement released last week, the rebels reported on the results of a meeting held on March 19. Among other things, the supposed rag-tag revolutionaries announced the "[d]esignation of the Central Bank of Benghazi as a monetary authority competent in monetary policies in Libya and appointment of a Governor to the Central Bank of Libya, with a temporary headquarters in Benghazi." Newman quoted CNBC senior editor John Carney, who asked, "Is this the first time a revolutionary group has created a central bank while it is still in the midst of fighting the entrenched political power? It certainly seems to indicate how extraordinarily powerful central bankers have become in our era." Another anomaly involves the official justification for taking up arms against Libya. Supposedly it's about human rights violations, but the evidence is contradictory. According to an article on the Fox News website on February 28: As the United Nations works feverishly to condemn Libyan leader Muammar al-Qaddafi for cracking down on protesters, the body's Human Rights Council is poised to adopt a report chock-full of praise for Libya's human rights record. The review commends Libya for improving educational opportunities, for making human rights a "priority" and for bettering its "constitutional" framework. Several countries, including Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia but also Canada, give Libya positive marks for the legal protections afforded to its citizens - who are now revolting against the regime and facing bloody reprisal. Whatever might be said of Gaddafi's personal crimes, the Libyan people seem to be thriving. A delegation of medical professionals from Russia, Ukraine and Belarus wrote in an appeal to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin that after becoming acquainted with Libyan life, it was their view that in few nations did people live in such comfort: [Libyans] are entitled to free treatment, and their hospitals provide the best in the world of medical equipment. Education in Libya is free, capable young people have the opportunity to study abroad at government expense. When marrying, young couples receive 60,000 Libyan dinars (about 50,000 US dollars) of financial assistance. Non-interest state loans, and as practice shows, undated. Due to government subsidies the price of cars is much lower than in Europe, and they are affordable for every family. Gasoline and bread cost a penny, no taxes for those who are engaged in agriculture. The Libyan people are quiet and peaceful, are not inclined to drink, and are very religious. They maintained that the international community had been misinformed about the struggle against the regime. "Tell us," they said, "who would not like such a regime?" Even if that is just propaganda, there is no denying at least one very popular achievement of the Libyan government: it brought water to the desert by building the largest and most expensive irrigation project in history, the US$33 billion GMMR (Great Man-Made River) project. Even more than oil, water is crucial to life in Libya. The GMMR provides 70% of the population with water for drinking and irrigation, pumping it from Libya's vast underground Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System in the south to populated coastal areas 4,000 kilometers to the north. The Libyan government has done at least some things right. Another explanation for the assault on Libya is that it is "all about oil", but that theory too is problematic. As noted in the National Journal, the country produces only about 2% of the world's oil. Saudi Arabia alone has enough spare capacity to make up for any lost production if Libyan oil were to disappear from the market. And if it's all about oil, why the rush to set up a new central bank? Another provocative bit of data circulating on the Net is a 2007 "Democracy Now" interview of US General Wesley Clark (Ret). In it he says that about 10 days after September 11, 2001, he was told by a general that the decision had been made to go to war with Iraq. Clark was surprised and asked why. "I don't know!" was the response. "I guess they don't know what else to do!" Later, the same general said they planned to take out seven countries in five years: Iraq, Syria,
[proletar] PKS Praises Lawmaker Caught in Porn Flap
Refleksi : Nonton porno pada sidang pariporno, tentu saja patut mendapat pujian sebagai contoh bagus kepada masyarakat dari Partai Kebutuhan Sex! http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/pks-praises-lawmaker-caught-in-porn-flap/435084 PKS Praises Lawmaker Caught in Porn Flap Anita Rachman | April 13, 2011 A lawmaker who resigned over allegations that he watched a pornographic video during a plenary session has been praised by his party for setting a good example. Arifinto, from the Prosperous Justice Party (PKS), announced his resignation on Monday after being photographed last Friday viewing the pornographic material on his tablet computer during a plenary session of the House of Representatives. On Tuesday, Mustafa Kamal, the PKS chairman at the House, said Arifinto's resignation highlighted his sense of responsibility to the public. "Arifinto has set a good example for other party members and all officials in the administration," he said, adding the decision to resign rather than face an ethics tribunal was the brave choice. Mustafa said this show of accountability was a step toward "building a new political culture" in the country. House Speaker Marzuki Alie, from the ruling Democratic Party, agreed that instilling a sense of shame among misbehaving public officials was a good idea, but cautioned against rushing to judge those embroiled in controversies. He said anyone suspected of moral or ethical infringements should be considered innocent until proven guilty. "Someone could be suspected of being guilty of something, but that wouldn't mean the suspicions were necessarily true," Marzuki said. "If someone is pressured to resign and they eventually cave in, what happens if later on they are proved to be innocent?" He cited the case of Mukhamad Misbakhun, also from the PKS, who was convicted last November by the Central Jakarta District Court of falsifying documents while serving as a commissioner for Selalang Prima Internasional in order to obtain a $22.5 million line of credit from the troubled Bank Century. He was sentenced to a year in jail, and upon appeal to a higher court had his sentence doubled. Still, Marzuki cautioned against jumping to conclusions until a final decision in the case was delivered by the Supreme Court. However, he said that in cases where legislators faced criminal charges and were automatically suspended from their posts, they should rescind all rights to their salaries and other benefits. "In this case, the role of the House Ethics Council becomes important," Marzuki said. Ali Maschan Moesa, an Ethics Council member from the National Awakening Party (PKB), said that in Arifinto's case, it appeared he had been pressured by his party to resign. He added that with a new ethics code in place for the House, the council could now work faster to clear the backlog of complaints lodged against a slew of legislators in various cases. Yunarto Wijaya, a political analyst with Charta Politika, said the key to keeping politicians in line was a working system of internal controls within their parties, something many parties currently lacked. He said that while Arifinto should be lauded for resigning in the wake of the scandal, it was taking it a step too far to say he was a model party member. Resigning over a suspected ethical breach is often implicit confirmation of the breach itself, Yunarto said. "And we didn't hear anything from Arifinto about it being his fault," he said. "We should also look at this case a bit closer: On the day after the plenary session, Arifinto clarified his conduct, but then he resigned." Yunarto said that rather than taking a moral stance and admitting to watching the video before announcing his resignation, Arifinto had instead resigned merely to save his party further embarrassment. This is why it is important for political parties to have control systems in place to evaluate and punish members found in breach of ethical or moral standards, he said. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Caterpillars Are a 'Warning From God,' House Speaker Says
Rfeleksi : Kalau ulat-ulat ini tanda peringatan dari Tuhan maka tentunya bukan peringatan kepada rakyat biasa, tetapi kepada para petinggi negara. sebab mereka ini durhaka dalam menyusahkan kehidupan rakyat banyak dari tahun ke tahun. http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/caterpillars-are-a-warning-from-god-house-speaker-says/435216 Caterpillars Are a 'Warning From God,' House Speaker Says Jakarta Globe | April 13, 2011 A Ministry of Agriculture official displaying caterpillars during an outbreak in Medan, North Sumatra, on Wednesday. House of Representatives (DPR) Speaker Marzuki Alie says an outbreak of caterpillars that has reached plague proportions in parts of Indonesia is a warning from God. (Antara Photo) A senior politician from the ruling Democratic Party says an outbreak of caterpillars that has reached plague proportions in parts of Indonesia is a warning from God. House of Representatives (DPR) Speaker Marzuki Alie, who has a reputation for putting his foot in his mouth, said on Wednesday that the caterpillar infestations in parts of Bali, Java, Jakarta and Sumatra was a message from God for Indonesians to look inwards and evaluate themselves. "Yes, it was God's warning," Marzuki said at the DPR. "It is God's warning that we should introspect and make changes. Every incident has a meaning behind it." Marzuki said it was "not good" for us to keep on debating and fighting over issues. He said Indonesia was facing many problems and therefore it was better for all elements in society to focus on their work for the betterment of the nation. Marzuki has most recently made headlines for continuing to push for the controversial construction of a Rp 1.13 trillion office tower for legislators. When an NGO threatened to file a lawsuit against him, Marzuki claimed that nongovernmental organizations did not represent the people, lawmakers did. "[NGOs] please don't speak on behalf of the people, House members are the official representatives," he said. In late October, following the tsunami that devastated the Mentawai Islands off West Sumatra, Democrat and House Speaker Marzuki Alie was widely criticized for saying the victims should have expected the disaster. "If you're afraid of waves, don't live by the shore," he said. "To be swept away by a big wave or by a tsunami is probably the consequence of living on an island." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] 60,5 Persen Pemuda Indonesia Pengangguran + Ledakan Penduduk
refl: Sesuai sensus 2010 terdapat 237 juta orang penduduk di Indonesia. Bila
sekarang 60,5% atau hagian besar pemuda adalah penggangur, maka dapat
diperkirakan dengan adanya ledakan penduduk dalam mana dikatakan bawa bahwa
penduduk NRI akan mencapai 450 juta pada tahun 2045. Ledakan penduduk tentu
akan membutuhkan lebih banyak sumber kehidupan maupun biaya untuk misalnya
pendidikan, kebutuhan sandang pangan dsb. Disamping itu patut diperhatikan
bahwa SDA kian menipis disebabkan eksploatsi ( baca: perampokan) tanpa batas.
Menilai perkembangan politik ekonomi dan sosial selama ini dan dikaitkan dengan
pesatnya pertumbuhan penduduk maka dengan mudah dapat dipastikan bahwa angka
penggaguran bukannya menurun melainkan malah menjadi bertambah banyak.
Pengangguran bertambah banyak berarti jumlah kaum miskin pun akan bertambah
banyak dalam jumlah berlipat ganda.
Dalam usaha mengatasi pengangguran tidak ada banyak jalan keluar selain tetap
menjadi negeri pengexport tenaga kerja ("budak") teristimewa ke negeri-negeri
sahabat di Timur Tengah.
http://koran.republika.co.id/koran/0/132715/60_5_Persen_Pemuda_Indonesia_Pengangguran
Jumat, 08 April 2011 pukul 14:10:00
60,5 Persen Pemuda Indonesia Pengangguran
Djoko Suceno
BANDUNG -- Pengangguran di kalangan pemuda merupakan masalah yang belum dapat
diselesaikan hingga kini. Bahkan, dari data Badan Pusat Statistik (BPS) tahun
2008, angka pengangguran di kalangan usia produktif ini mencapai 60,5 persen
dari jumlah yang ada. Untuk itu, semua pihak perlu melakukan langkah yang tepat
mengatasi masalah ini.
Ketua Tim Ahli Deputi II Kementerian Pemuda dan Olahraga (Kemenpora), Diebel
Effendi, menyatakan angka pengangguran sebesar 60,5 persen itu dari batasan
umur 16-20 tahun. Sedangkan menurut ukuran Kemenpora, batasan usia pemuda
adalah 16-30 tahun. "Jadi, kalau mengacu pada batasan Kemenpora, jumlah pemuda
yang menganggur mungkin lebih besar lagi," katanya di Bandung, Jawa Barat,
Kamis (7/4).
Besarnya angka pengangguran itu, kata Diebel, harus mendapat prioritas dari
pemerintah. Sebab, jika pengangguran ini tak dicari solusinya, akan menjadi
pemicu persoalan sosial di masyarakat. Persoalan pengangguran ini tak lepas
dari urbanisasi masyarakat desa ke kota akibat tak tersedianya lapangan kerja
di desa. "Jadi, wajar masyarakat desa, khususnya kaum muda, memilih mencari
pekerjaan ke kota," ujar dia.
Mengutip data yang dirilis World Youth Report 2010 yang dikeluarkan PBB, Diebel
mengatakan, urbanisasi pemuda penyebab kemiskinan dan pengangguran tumbuh tiga
persen di perkotaan. Tingkat pertumbuhan yang sama juga terjadi di Indonesia
pada periode 1990-2005. Di pedesaan, ada penurunan pemuda sebesar satu persen.
"Angka ini harus benar-benar kita amati dan dicari solusinya."
Menurut Deputi Bidang Pengembangan Pemuda Kemenpora, MB Zubarkhum Tjereng,
selain pengangguran, persoalan lain yang dihadapi kalangan muda adalah
keterbatasan sumber daya pembiayaan bagi kegiatan pemuda, penyakit menular dan
kekurangan gizi, kemerosotan karakter, pergaulan bebas, narkoba, dan masalah
lainnya.
Untuk mengatasi persoalan tersebut, kata Zubarkhum, Kemenpora menggelar Rapat
Koordinasi Lintas Sektor Provinsi Bidang Pengembangan Pemuda di Bandung, 2-8
April di Bandung. Rapat itu berupaya mencari desain program mengatasi
permasalahan pemuda.
Zubarkhum mengatakan, sedikitnya ada lima program yang akan direalisasikan
untuk mengatasi persoalan pengangguran di kalangan pemuda, antara lain
kepramukaan, kepemimpinan, kewirausahaan, kepeloporan, dan tenaga kepemudaan.
Rakor ini melibatkan 21 kementerian yang menggarap bidang kepemudaan. "Selain
kementerian, juga dilibatkan Dinas Pemuda dan Olahraga Provinsi se-Indonesia."
Salah satu program yang tengah berjalan adalah Pemuda Sarjana Penggerak
Pembangunan Pedesaan. Untuk 2011, Kemenpora merekrut seribu sarjana dalam
program itu. Mereka diseleksi dan dididik untuk terjun ke pedesaan guna
membantu masyarakat setempat menjadi wirausahawan. "Ini tentunya disesuaikan
dengan potensi daerah masing-masing," kata Diebel.ed: dewi mardiani
+++
http://m.mediaindonesia.com/index.php/read/2011/04/04/215092/70/13/Ledakan_Penduduk
Ledakan Penduduk
Senin, 04 April 2011 00:00 WIB
LAJU pertumbuhan penduduk negeri ini telah sampai pada titik amat
mengkhawatirkan.
Ironisnya, Badan Koordinasi Keluarga Berencana Nasional (BKKBN) dibiarkan
'bertempur' sendirian.
Jika laju pertambahan penduduk yang rata-rata 3,5 juta-4 juta per tahun tidak
segera ditekan, diprediksi pada 2045 jumlah penduduk Indonesia akan mencapai
450 juta jiwa. Dengan asumsi populasi bumi 9 miliar jiwa pada saat itu, berarti
1 dari 20 penduduk dunia adalah orang Indonesia.
Upaya menekan laju pertumbuhan penduduk dari 1,49% saat ini menuju angka ideal
0,5% masih jauh panggang dari api. Lebih-lebih lagi, hasil survei BKKBN
menunjukkan umumnya pasangan usia subur menginginkan anak lebih dari tiga.
Pertumbuhan penduduk yang
[proletar] Re: Diskusi Dengan Jusplik
kocak banget... boleh juga sering2 diliput diskusi si uda gilo tu. asal jangan diliput oleh dirinya sendiri, bete banget... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "liver_duke" wrote: > > buat kenang2an, boleh gak beh klo gw muat di blog? > termasuk dgn penyesuaian tokoh tanpa merubah cerita. > > > --- "Habe" wrote: > > > > Mediator : > > Selamat datang suadara saudara di acara diskusi formal antara Jusfik dengan > > Robert Plant dari Group Led Zeppelin, dengan tema umum yang bervariasi dari > > musik ke politik. Bung Robert silahkan dimulai > > > > Robert : Selera musik menentukan rasa kebangsaan seseorang, bila suka musik > > keroncong, itu artinya anda mencintai produk dalam negeri dan cinta dengan > > negara tempat anda dilahirkan > > > > Jusplik : Anjing! Anda tau yang namanya anjing? Suharto itu menyukai musik > > keroncong? Apa anda pikir algojo orde baru yang pernah membunuh sekian juta > > manusia adalah seorang humanis? Anjing? Anda adalah lonte orde baru!Kerak > > kenistaan! > > > > Robert: Maaf, bisa kasih contoh kapan saya bilang Suharto itu humanis? > > > > Juspig : Tolol! Biadab! Dungu! Suharto jelas tanganya berlumuran darah! > > > > Robert : Iya tapi kapan saya ngomong dia humanis? Bisa dibuktikan? > > > > Jusplik : Anjing! Tau yang namanya anjing? Nah anda adalah anjing yang > > suka asal menggonggog!Suharto yang notabene adalah bangsat penjahat perang > > tidak bisa dikatakan sebagai seorang humanis.. > > > > Robert: Jelas saya tahu anjing itu apa? Trus masalahnya kapan saya ngomong > > Suharto itu humanis? > > > > Juswelfareplik: Anjing! Tau yang namanya anjing? Tukang fitnah nomor satu > > yang asal menyalak seperti bebek yang baru dientotin money bonobo.Nah > > itulah anda... > > > > Robert : Sebenarnya anda mau berduskusi atau tidak ? > > > > Jusplik : Tolol! Dungu! Otak kadal, anda seperti kebanyakan orang islam > > yang notabene adalah menyembah almusah berotak tidak lebih gede dafri otak > > kadal! > > > > Robert: Saya kristen, bukan Islam.. > > > > Juspig: Lonte! Anda adalah lonte tukang jilat pantat muslim tidak beda > > seperti suryana, ayub yahya dan hasan basri yang gila sejak dia ketangkap > > basah mengaku kalau si duke bukan moderator milis proletar > > > > Robert : Maaf pak moderator, si jusfiq ini kenapa > > > > Moderator : Anjing! Anda tau yang namanya anjing? Nama saya Item abu, bukan > > pak moderator! > > > > Robert: What the fuck > > > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Medali kota Paris adalah juga kebanggaan para korban Orde Baru
Medali kota Paris adalah juga kebanggaan para korban Orde Baru Di bawah berikut ini disajikan copy E-mail dari YPKP 65 (Yayasan Penelitian Korban Pembunuhan 65) tentang Restoran INDONESIA, pemberian Medali Kota Paris, dan malam persahabatan di Paris. Juga berbagai informasi yang menarik tentang YPKP. Huruf cetak tebal adalah dari kami sendiri, sekedar untuk menekankan apa yang diutarakan oleh YPKP. Harap maklum. A. Umar Said = == = = == = = Tangerang April 12, 2011 Kawan Umar Said yang baik, Atas nama pengurus, relawan dan Korban 65 yang tergabung dalam YPKP 65 (Yayasan Penelitian Korban Pembunuhan 1965/1966 - Indonesian Institute for the Study of 1965/1966 Massacre), dengan ini menyampaikan salam hangat dan ucapan selamat dari Kawan-Kawan Korban 65 di seluruh Tanah Air atas sukses Bung Umar dalam mengelola restaurant Indonesia dan terpilihnya Bung sebagai Warga Kehormatan Perancis dari Pemerintah Kota Praja Paris, serta sukses dalam Acara Malam Persahabatan di Restaurant Indonesia. Penghormatan yang Bung terima menjadi hiburan bagi kami dan rasa bangga kami sebagai sesama Korban rejim fasis Suharto. Pada kesempatan ini saya juga ingin menyampaikan terimakasih yang tak terhingga, karena melalui Bung terjalin persahabatan yang akrab antara Rakyat Progresif Perancis dan Rakyat Indonesia yang kini sedang berjuang melawan ketidak adilan, menegakkan HAM dan Demokrasi. Atas kerja keras Bung pulalah Kawan Pierre Marcie seorang utusan dari organisasi progresif Perancis dapat berkunjung dan beri support konkrit terhadap YPKP 65. Sejak awal YPKP 65 dideklarasikan pada 07 April 1999 sudah memperoleh teror dan ancaman oleh pelaku kejahatan kemanusiaan (baca militer) yaitu dengan menuduhnya sebagai kebangkitan Partai Komunis Indonesia. Bukan hanya kantor kami yang di Karawaci Tangerang dibakar, juga setiap kali adakan pertemuan selalu diawasi dan diteror. Ini terjadi diberbagai kantor cabang YPKP 65 di seluruh Indonesia: Pati, Pemalang, Pekalongan, Karangsembung, Tangerang, Pekanbaru, Pesisir Selatan Painan, Medan, Argosari Kalimantan Timur, dll. Meski ancaman, teror, intimidasi selalu membayangi setiap kegiatan kami, YPKP 65 tetap teguh dan terus berjuang. Ini terbukti ketika kami mengadakan Diskusi Publik: Negara harus bertanggungjawab atas Tragedy 1965 di Aula FIB Jepang UI- Depok, Aksi Solidaritas Hari Hak Asasi manusia Sedunia pada 10 Desember 2009 di Bundaran Hotel Indonesia, Jakarta, Acara Memorialisasi Napak Tilas di Kamp Konsentrasi Penyiksaan Penjara Tangerang pada Juni 2010, Diskusi Publik Membuka Kotak Pandora Gerakan 1 Oktober 1965 yang berlangsung di gedung YLBHI Jakarta pada 1 Oktober 2010. YPKP 65 dari berbagai kota se Indonesia hadir dalam Temu Nasional Korban 65/YPKP 65 sekaligus bergabung dalam Aksi tersebut. Dalam waktu mendatang YPKP 65 akan terus melanjutkan perjuangan yang telah dirintis oleh Ibu Sulami, Bpk. Pramudya A. Toer , Bpk. Hasan Raid, Bpk. Suharno dan Bapak-bapak dan Ibu-ibu pendiri YPKP 65 yang lain, yaitu perjuangan menegakkan Hak Asasi Manusia, Kebenaran, Keadilan dan Demokrasi, penelitian, advokasi dan kampanye publik, pemberdayaan Korban, penguatan kapasitas organisasi serta usaha-usaha legislasi, penuntutan Ha-hak Korban yang terampas, rehabilitasi dan reparasi bagi Korban 65, atas dasar falsafah Pancasila dan UUD 1945. Sekarang ini YPKP 65, LPRKROB, Kontras dan LBH Jakarta sedang menyusun pengajuan Excecutive Review (pengujian keppres 28/tahun 1975) serta bersama ICTJ sedang membahas kemungkinan ditrapkannya Jurisdiksi Universal untuk menjerat pelaku kejahatan Hak Asasi Manusia. YPKP 65 menggalang kemitraan dengan berbagai Organisasi Masyarakat Sipil yang memiliki visi dan misi yang sama: LPRKROB, LPKP, Pakorba, Yaphi, Kontras, Ikohi, JSKK, JAPI, YLBHI, LBH Jakarta, LBH Masyarakat, ICTJ, GMNI-UBK, GMNI -UKI, FOR Indonesia, PRP, KASBI dll. Perjuangan masih panjang, dukungan dan solidaritas Kawan-Kawan akan mendorong dan memotivasi kerja-kerja kami ke depan. Salam Kemanusiaan,++ Bedjo Untung Ketua YPKP 65 YAYASAN PENELITIAN KORBAN PEMBUNUHAN 1965/1966 (YPKP 65) Indonesian Institute for The Study of 1965/1966 Massacre [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogr
[proletar] Aljazeera: Libya group agrees 'trust fund' for rebels
Africa Libya group agrees 'trust fund' for rebels International contact group calls on Gaddafi to step down to "allow Libyan people to determine their own future". Last Modified: 13 Apr 2011 15:44 The international contact group on Libya has agreed to set up a temporary "trust fund" to help the international community channel assets to the opposition Transitional National Council in Benghazi. In a statement issued at the conclusion of Wednesday's one-day summit in Doha, Qatar, the group united to call on Libya's longterm leader Muammar Gaddafi to step down. "Gaddafi and his regime has lost all legitimacy and he must leave power allowing the Libyan people to determine their own future," the group said. The financial mechanism being set up will allow international donations to be made - possibly from frozen assets of the Gaddafi administration - and made directly available to Gaddafi's opponents. Click here for more on our special coverage The group warned that up to 3.6 million people in Libya could require humanitarian assistance as the result of weeks of fighting in the country. Members of the group have called for more pressure to be exerted against Gaddafi's regime, but they disagree on whether to arm the rebels seeking to eject him. Al Jazeera correspondent James Bays said some participants had "deep concerns" about providing Libyan rebels, who are fighting to topple Gaddafi from power, with access to funds. "I spoke to the German foreign minister [Guido Westerwelle] and he had concerns over whether it was legal or not," our correspondent said. "Statements from the UK and Qatar have agreed that the situation in Benghazi is urgent. And most is due to a lack of cash - it's not all about heavy weapons for frontline fighters; it's also about being able to pay public servants and getting schools back open." After the conference, Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber bin Muhammad Al Thani, Qatar's prime minister, said that Gaddafi must step down. "Those around him should advise him that it is in the best interests of Libya," he said. "This is the ideal scenario, for the safety of everyone - including himself and his family." Sending weapons to Benghazi Al Jazeera's James Bays speaks to Nato secretary general Anders Fogh Rasmussen The Qatari prime minister also didn't rule out arming anti-Gaddafi rebels. "Qatar starts by providing humanitarian supplies, including heating gas and other supplies. We have also taken 6,000 refugees. For all other needs, Qatar ... will make things available for the Libyan people to defend themselves." William Hague, British foreign secretary, told Al Jazeera that arming Benghazi-based fighters would not be contrary to international law. "The UN resolutions do allow for the provision of weapons," he said. "But we are making our contribution through our own military, as well as providing non-lethal support, such as communications equipment." He earlier told reporters that "the arms embargo applies to all of Libya, but it is appropriate to equip people with what is needed to protect themselves". Franco Frattini, Italy's foreign minister, went further. "Gaddafi's tactics are to put tanks in the streets - and we cannot have air strikes against people in the city streets, in the squares, in the highly populated areas," he said. "Either we make it possible for these people to defend themselves, or we withdraw our claims of support." However, in an apparent rift between EU partners on Libya, Steven Vanackere, the Belgian foreign minister earlier said his country was opposed to the idea. "The UN resolution speaks about protecting civilians, not arming them," he said. Qatar 'an oil corporation' Al Jazeera's Sonia Gallego sets out the background to the conference in Qatar The Libyan government has dismissed the talks and Qatar's role in the ongoing conflict. "We are very hopeful that the American people and the American government will not buy into the Qatari lies and Qatari schemes," a spokesman of the Libyan regime told reporters in Tripoli on Tuesday. "Qatar is hardly a partner of any kind. It's more of an oil corporation than a true nation," the spokesman said. Among those who arrived in the country ahead of the Doha talks was Moussa Koussa, Libya's former foreign minister, who fled to Britain last month. He did not take part in the formal meeting, but was understood to have met with various officials on the sidelines of the conference. Mustafa Gheriani, a media liaison official for the opposition, said Koussa was "not connected to (the rebel) Transitional National Council in any way or shape". Gheriani added that he was personally surprised to learn that Koussa was leaving Britain to attend the Qatar talks, and suggested that British officials should explain why he was going and in what capacity. 'Free individual' Koussa, the most prominent Libyan government defector, sought refuge in Britain
[proletar] Lidah tak bertulang
Seseorang menceritakan gosip mengenai tetangganya & dalam beberapa hari saja, seluruh lingkungan mengetahui ceritanya. Tetangganya itu tentu saja sakit hati. Beberapa hari kemudian, orang yg menyebarluaskan gossip tersebut menyadari bahwa ternyata gosip itu tak benar. Dia menyesal, lalu datang kpd orang yg bijaksana untuk mencari tahu apa yg harus dilakukannya untuk memperbaiki kesalahannya itu. "Pergilah ke pasar" kata orang bijak itu, "belilah kemoceng, kemudian dalam perjalanan pulang, cabuti bulu ayam di kemoceng & buanglah satu persatu di sepanjang jalan pulang." Meski kaget mendengar saran itu, si penyebar gosip tetap melakukan apa yg disuruh kepadanya. Keesokan harinya orang tersebut melaporkan apa yg sudah dilakukannya. Orang bijak itu berkata lagi, "Sekarang pergilah & kumpulkan kembali semua bulu ayam yg kau buang kemarin & bawa kepadaku" Orang itu pun menyusuri jalan yg sama, tapi angin tlah melemparkan bulu-bulu itu ke segala arah. Setelah mencari selama beberapa jam, ia kembali hanya dgn tiga potong bulu. "Lihat kan?" kata orang bijak itu, "sangat mudah melemparkannya, namun tak mungkin mengumpulkannya kembali, begitu pula dgn gossip. Tak sulit menyebarluaskan gossip, namun sekali gossip terlempar, 7 ekor kudapun tak dapat menariknya kembali." PESAN MORAL, Hidup & mati seseorang dikuasai lidah, siapa suka menggemakannya, akan memakan buahnya. Lidah memang suatu anggota yg kecil, tapi sangatlah besar kuasanya. Bila kita salah menggunakan, maka hancurlah smua yg ada disekitar kita. Lidah yg lembut adalah pohon kehidupan, Tapi lidah yg jahat melukai hati orang lain! Mulut orang benar mengeluarkan hikmat, tetapi lidah bercabang akan dikerat. Ch@™ pin:21EF6D92 Charles Asiku Charles Asiku Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] tentang alam semesta dan teorinya...
alam semesta sialan yah mbak, membuat teori marx juga tidak menyelesaikan persoalan, demikian juga jesus, demikian juga mohammaddemikian juga teori focaultdan teori siapapun ;-) Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] wawan lagi debat...2...
debater: Materialisme vulgar kayak gitu sama sekali tidak menjawab persoalan sosial wawan setiawan: memang persoalan sosial bisa dijawab atau diselesaikan dengan tuntas??? siapakah yg bisa menyelesakan persoalan sosial? marx-kah, soekarno-kah? adam smithkah? mohammad-kah? jesuskah? Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] wawan lagi debat...
wawan setiawan: 4. apakah bumi/materi/zat/partikel lantas tidak ada apabila tidak ada manusia??? pendebat: Pertanyaan ke-4, setelah munculnya spesies manusia dlm kala evolusi material, apakah manusia berkembang-biak dan bertahan hidup seperti hewan2 lain? Ada loh hewan hermafrodit yg saling membuahi, ada juga yg berbiak dng memotong badannya sendiri... Adakah hewan2 tadi berekonomi, berbudaya, dst? wawan setiawan: hewan-hewan hanya mencoba survival di kehidupan alamnya saja, persis manusia dng melalui methodologi/mekanisme ekonomi, budaya,politik,dlsb, dlm perpekstive saya ya cuman untuk survival di alam semestanya saja Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Sedikit menyingkap rahasia kebesaranNYA --> The thumbs print of God
Partisipasi: Oom Saputra- Canberra The thumb print of GodCap Jempol Tuhan. Sebagai warming up silahkan perhatikan daun fern yang bentuknya bisa dianalisa dengan fractals geometric. http://www.globalindo.net/ Artikel singkat ini yang membuktikan bahwa pada tingkat science yang "cukup" tinggi, antara Creation dan Evolution itu sejatinya sama dan bahwa intinya Alam Raya ini adalah CiptaanNYA ! Suatau bukti bahwa makin pinter seseorang makin dekatlah dia dengan God, persis seperti grafik ellips, silahkan baca artikel saya sebelumnya. Siapakah the Intellegence Disigner alam raya ini? Siapa lagi kalau bukan Dia sang Pencipta Alam Raya. Warning: Meskipun artikel ini saya tulis semudah mungkin dimengerti oleh awam tapi saya tahu banyak dari anda yang masih agak sulit mengertinya, makanya itu silahkan baca dan simak video clipnya berulang ulang, bila perlu bermingu minggu dipleajari dan dicari tambahan infromasinya di internet, sampai bener bener mudeng saya percaya akan sangat rewarding . he he he Sifat alam yang "kelihatanya" (= appear) random dan irregular, ternyata masih sukar diprediksi oleh manusia. Gempa bumi, tsunami, musim, gunung meletus, angin ribut dan banyak banyak lagi kejadian alam lainnya, hanya baru bisa diperkirakan kapan dan dimana terjadinya, belum bisa seratus persen ketepatannya. Contoh terahir gempa di Jepang dengan akibatanya Tsunami, begitu mendadak kejadiannya. Dari kata kunci random occurances inilah manusia membuat semua peralatan (transducer) untuk mendeteksi sifat alam, misalnya kamera berdasarkan sifat sinar, Geiger counter sifat radioaktif, , microphone sifat gelombang suara dsbnya. Pancaran gelombang dari zat radioaktif yang selintas random occurances, bila dibuat statistic ternyata mempunyai pattern tertentu, tergantung dari jenis zat/ radio isotopnya. Saya kaget juga, waktu membaca statement ilmiah, Anything that appears random and irregular can be a fractal Apa itu sebetulnya fractal ?, koq hebat bener. Wah ini khan science revolution. Merubah cara pandang manusia terhadap alam ini. Fractals permeate our lives, appearing in places as tiny as the membrane of a cell and as majestic as the solar system. Fractals are the unique, irregular patterns left behind by the unpredictable movements of the chaotic world at work.. Lagi contoh fractasls geometics di dasar laut. http://www.globalindo.net/ Alam yang kelihatannya bertabiat khaotik ini, ternyata mempunyai patern yang bisa dibuat algoritm-nya!, imbuh para chaologists. To many chaologists, the study of chaos and fractals is more than just a new field in science that unifies mathematics, theoretical physics, art, and computer science - it is a revolution. It is the discovery of a new geometry, one that describes the boundless universe we live in; one that is in constant motion, not as static images in textbooks. Today, many scientists are trying to find applications for fractalgeometry, from predicting stock market prices to making new discoveries in theoretical physics Foto kritsal air yang secara alamiah membenbuk Fractals geometris, terutama sebagai bio-feed back atas positive attitude anda, silahkan baca artikel saya sebelumnya.. sangat mengagumkan bahwa ternyata alam-pun akan memberikan reaksi feed back/resonansi kepada emosi anda. Fractals geometric akan bubrah bila anda sedang marah, sedih dan emosi negative lainnya. Bagaimana tidak, kata kunci para chaologist adalah similarity, yang dipakai untuk menjelaskan apa itu fractal. Exact self-similarity Quasi-self-similarity Statistical self-similarity, kebalikan dari banyak manusia yang mencoba menjelaskan sesuatu kejadian dengan cara mencari perbedaannya.(determination) Fractals have always been associated with the term chaos. One author elegantly describes fractals as "the patterns of chaos." Fractals depict chaotic behaviour, yet if one looks closely enough, it is always possible to spot glimpses of self-similarity within a fractal Makin mabuk dan pusing ya ., untuk memudahkan anda mengerti apa itu Fractals silahkan simak video clip yang cukup panjang sekitar satu jam, simak dan ulangi berkali kali sampai anda mudeng, apa itu fractals. Simak amat cermat di video clip ini dari menit ke 50 sampai menit ke 55, disitu computer scientist Torsten Reil, CEO and Founder dari Natural Motion berhasil membuktikan bahwa Evolution yang dimulai sejak ada kehidupan pertama kali di planet bumi ini yaitu sejak 3.5 milyar tahun yang lalu, bisa dibuat Simulation-nya dengan (rumus mathematic) algorithm fractals. Penggunaan tehnologi computer terkini, yang bisa melakukan trilions calculation setiap detiknya , memungkin kita memahami bahwa terjadinya manusia itu betul betul melalui proses Evolusi yang sangat sangat panjang. Kata kunci prinsip Fractals Geometry adalah simple rules can become very complex, dimana tabiat Alam Raya (Natural principle) ini termasuk mahluk hidup dan manusia he he he sejatinya mempunyai ka
[proletar] Nasib bangsa terjajah?: Tidak ada tindakan pada Bank UOB yg aniaya nasabah sampai cacat
Belum tuntas kasus Citi Bank, kembali muncul berita terjadi penganiayaan oleh preman suruhan Bank Asing pada nasabah yang mengakibatkan Cacat permanen penganiaya tidak ditangkap dan dihukum dg alasan tersangkanya melarikan diri? Kalau melarikan diri khan bisa dicari alamat atau tempat tinggalnyanya, dan ditangkap. Kenapa Bank UOB sebagai pihak yang menyuruh preman sehingga terjadi penganiayaan tersebut tidak diperiksa atau ditangkap? Penganiayaan ini sudah terjadi 1 tahun yang lalu,. kok terkesan dibiarkan? Dan tidak ada tindakan tegas dari aparat hukum? Apakah benar2 kita ini sekarang merupakan bangsa atau negara jajahan??? http://www.detiknews.com/read/2011/04/01/110813/1606347/10/dihajar-debt-collector-mata-muji-harjo-nyaris-buta Jumat, 01/04/2011 11:08 WIB Dihajar Debt Collector, Mata Muji Harjo Nyaris Buta Andi Saputra - detikNews Jakarta - Cerita aksi brutal penagih utang (debt collector) terus mengalir. Seorang nasabah bank, Muji Harjo yang utang Rp 12 juta nyaris buta akibat dianiaya oleh penagih utang. Cerita tersebut bermula ketika Muji Harjo mempunyai utang kartu kredit bank sebesar Rp 12 juta. "Karena belum sanggup membayar maka motor Yamaha Vega ditarik oleh penagih utang bank sebagai jaminan pada 2007," cerita Muji saat berbincang dengan detikcom, Jumat, (1/4/2011). Namun, pada 13 Mei 2010 dua orang penagih utang datang lagi. Muji mengatakan tidak sanggup bayar karena baru ada uang bulan Juni 2010. Sehingga motor ditawarkan diperpanjang masa jaminannya. "Mereka mengatakan sesuatu yang tidak enak, ketika saya menanyakan maksudnya, mereka mengeroyok dan memukul mata kiri saya. Saat itu saya sedang memakai kaca mata, sehingga kaca mata pecah, hampir buta bila pecahan kaca mata masuk ke mata. Tulang mata dan tulang kening retak, kulit sekitar mata dan hidung sobek berdarah," tandas warga Jembatan Batu, Bandung ini. Lantas, Muji segera dilarikan ke rumah sakit oleh keluarganya. "Dari hasil visum dari RS Boromeus Bandung, saya mengalami luka serius. Pukulan keras sekali sehingga saya jatuh," tukas Muji. Sesudah kejadian tersebut, Muji harus rawat inap di RS Boromeus 3 hari. Dokter syaraf RS Boromeus menyatakan saya harus operasi penyambungan tulang mata & kening dengan biaya sekitar Rp 70 juta. "Kejadian tersebut sudah saya laporkan ke polisi. Polisi sudah menetapkan salah satu debt collector sebagai tersangka tapi dia melarikan diri," ujar Muji, Kini, Muji melakukan gugatan terhadap bank dan perusahaan jasa penagihan utang di PN Bandung. Muji menggugat materil sebesar biaya berobat dan immateriil Rp10 miliar. " Selasa depan masuk mediasi tahap 2," tutup Muji. Anda juga punya kisah tidak mengenakkan dengan debt collector? Ceritakan ke reda...@detik.com. (asp/rdf) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Suryana menjilat pantat orang yang menyuruh memperkosa perempuan..
Suryana menjilat pantat Tawang, orang Islam yang menyuruh memperkosa perempuan Tionghoa, artinya bisa saja istri atau anak Suryana sendiri.. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Aljazeera: Libya group agrees 'trust fund' for rebels
Africa Libya group agrees 'trust fund' for rebels International contact group calls on Gaddafi to step down to "allow Libyan people to determine their own future". Last Modified: 13 Apr 2011 12:52 The international contact group on Libya has agreed to set up a temporary "trust fund" to help the international community channel assets to the opposition Transitional National Council in Benghazi. In a statement issued at the conclusion of Wednesday's one-day summit in Doha, Qatar, the group again called on Libya's longterm leader Muammar Gaddafi to step down. "Gaddafi and his regime has lost all legitimacy and he must leave power allowing the Libyan people to determine their own future," the group said. The group warned that up to 3.6 million in Libya could require humanitarian assistance as the result of weeks of fighting in the country. Members of the group on Libya have called for more pressure to be exerted against Gaddafi's regime, but they disagree on whether to arm the rebels seeking to eject him. But Al Jazeera correspondent James Bays said some participants had "deep concerns" about providing Libyan rebels, who are fighting to topple Gaddafi from power, with access to funds. "I spoke to the German foreign minister [Guido Westerwelle] and he had concerns over whether it was legal or not," our correspondent said. "Statements from the UK and Qatar have agreed that the situation in Benghazi is urgent. And most is due to a lack of cash - it's not all about heavy weapons for frontline fighters; it's also about being able to pay public servants and getting schools back open." Wednesday's meeting was focused on the future of Libya after an African Union attempt to broker a peace deal between rebel groups and Gaddafi collapsed. "We should ... move forward quickly to ensure that nations wishing to support the interim National Council in meeting its public sector costs can do so in a transparent manner," William Hague, the British foreign secretary, said. Click here for more on our special coverage On the eve of the meeting, a spokesman for the rebel Transitional National Council (TNC) said it will accept nothing short of the removal of Gaddafi and his sons from the country. Mahmud Shammam, whose group seeks international recognition as the legitimate government of Libya, also stressed: "We want to move from the de facto recognition of the council to an internationally-recognised legitimacy." Opposition officials also hope to convince the international community to lift sanctions on eastern Libya. This would free up money in Libyan bank accounts abroad and allow banks in eastern Libya to obtain foreign currency and transfer payments to banks overseas, in order to import basic commodities and other goods. The contact group is comprised of high-level international diplomats, and was set up at a conference in London last month. Arming the rebels As allies scramble to finalise a strategy to deal with the crisis, arming the rebels became a flashpoint. Italy wants the international community to consider arming Libyan rebels under the UN resolution authorising the use of all means to defend civilians, the Italian foreign ministry spokesman said. "The discussion about arming the rebels is definitely on the table ... to defend themselves," Italy's Maurizio Massari said on the sidelines of the meeting in Doha. "The UN resolution ... does not forbid arming" the rebels fighting Gaddafi's forces, he told reporters, while adding that a decision was unlikely to be taken at the meeting in the Qatari capital. "We need to provide the rebels all possible defensive means," he said, singling out communication and intelligence equipment. However, in an apparent rift between EU partners on Libya, Steven Vanackere, the Belgian Foreign Minister said his country was opposed to the idea. "The UN resolution speaks about protecting civilians, not arming them," he said. The Libyan government has dismissed the talks and Qatar's role in the ongoing conflict. "We are very hopeful that the American people and the American government will not buy into the Qatari lies and Qatari schemes," a spokesman of the Libyan regime told reporters in Tripoli on Tuesday. "Qatar is hardly a partner of any kind. It's more of an oil corporation than a true nation," the spokesman said. Among those expected to come to the Doha talks is Moussa Koussa, Libya's former foreign minister, who fled to Britain last month after he defected. He has reportedly arrived in Qatar to meet Libyan rebels. Koussa, a long-time top aide to Gaddafi, will not formally participate in the meeting but is expected to hold talks on the sidelines, British sources said. "He's not connected to (the rebel) Transitional National Council in any way or shape," Mustafa Gheriani, a media liaison official of the rebels, said. Gheriani added that he was personally surprised to learn that Koussa was leaving Bri
[proletar] France24: France and Britain criticise NATO over Libya
France and Britain criticise NATO over Libya By News Wires the 12/04/2011 - 16:46 France and Britain criticised NATO on Monday for not doing enough in the past two weeks to enforce a no-fly zone over Libya and stop Muammer Gaddafi from bombing civilians. REUTERS - France and Britain, who first launched air attacks on Libya in coalition with the United States, on Tuesday criticised NATO's bombing campaign, saying it must do more to stop Muammar Gaddafi bombarding civilians. NATO took over air operations from the three nations on March 31 but heavy government bombardment of the besieged western city of Misrata has continued unabated with hundreds of civilians reported killed. The criticism by London and Paris followed new shelling of Misrata on Monday and the collapse of an African Union peace initiative. Echoing rebel complaints, Juppe told France Info radio, "It's not enough." He said NATO must stop Gaddafi shelling civilians and take out heavy weapons bombarding Misrata. In a barbed reference to the alliance command of the operation, Juppe added: "NATO must play its role fully. It wanted to take the lead in operations, we accepted that." British Foreign Secretary William Hague also said NATO must intensify attacks, calling on other alliance countries to match London's supply of extra ground attack aircraft in Libya. NATO, is operating under a U.N. mandate to protect civilians, stepped up air strikes around Misrata and the eastern battlefront city of Ajdabiyah at the weekend. It rejected the criticism. "NATO is conducting its military operations in Libya with vigour within the current mandate. The pace of the operations is determined by the need to protect the population," it said. Libyan state television said on Tuesday a NATO strike on the town of Kikla, south of Tripoli, had killed civilians and members of the police force. It did not give details. Peace talks fail The spat within the alliance came after heavy shelling and street fighting in the coastal city of Misrata on Monday where Human Rights Watch says at least 250 people, mostly civilians, have died. Rebels on Monday rejected an African Union peace plan, saying there could be no deal unless Gaddafi was toppled. His son Saif al Islam said such an idea was ridiculous. Rebel leader Mustafa Abdel Jalil on Tuesday thanked Western countries for the air strikes but said they could not relieve besieged cities and appealed for arms and supplies. "NATO's air fleet cannot deliver the occupied cities where Gaddafi's forces, using the civilian populations as a human shield, have now taken cover," he said in a statement, adding that the insurgents needed time to build an army capable of toppling the Libyan leader. Abdel Jalil pointedly named French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who the rebels hail as a hero, as the leader of the coalition supporting his forces. Sarkozy led calls for military intervention in Libya and his warplanes were the first to attack Gaddafi's forces. NATO is unpopular among many insurgents, both because they believe it initially reacted slowly to government attacks and because it has killed almost 20 rebels in two mistaken bombings. Although they have recently praised the alliance after its attacks helped break a major government assault on Ajdabiyah, many of the rebels in the field still hailed Sarkozy. Gaddafi's forces on Tuesday bombarded the western entrance to Ajdabiyah, launch point for insurgent attacks towards the oil port of Brega on the eastern front. There were eight blasts, apparently from artillery. Rebels said earlier they were about 40 km (25 miles) west of Ajdabiyah, a strategic crossroads that has been the focus of fierce battles in the last two months. NATO attacks outside Ajdabiyah on Sunday helped break the biggest assault by Gaddafi's forces on the eastern front for at least a week. The town is the gateway to the rebel stronghold of Benghazi 150 km (90 miles) north up the Mediterranean coast. Amnesty International on Tuesday accused Gaddafi forces of executing prisoners, killing protesters and attacking refugees. Scorn Rebels in Misrata, their last major bastion in western Libya and under siege for six weeks, scorned reports that Gaddafi had accepted a ceasefire, saying they were fighting house-to-house battles with his forces. Rebels told Reuters that Gaddafi's forces had intensified the assault, for the first time firing truck-mounted, Russian-made Grad rockets into the city, where conditions for civilians are said to be desperate. The difficulty for Western nations in maintaining momentum in Libya was revealed in a Reuters/Ipsos MORI on Tuesday that found ambiguous and uncertain support for the operation among Britons, Americans and Italians. While they supported ousting Gaddafi, they were worried about the costs of a military campaign and uncertain about the objectives. Support was more solid in France. Gaddafi'
[proletar] INDONESIA - ARAB SAUDI JALIN KERJA SAMA PERTAHANAN
Refleksi : Bila kekuasaan rezim Indonesia terganggu seperti apa yang terjadi di Bahrain, apakah Arab Saudia akan kirim tentara ke Indonesia seperti apa yang mereka lakukan terhadap Bahrain? http://www.kemhan.go.id/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=9594 INDONESIA - ARAB SAUDI JALIN KERJA SAMA PERTAHANAN Jakarta, Pemerintah Indonesia dan Arab Saudi sepakat untuk menjalin kerja sama pertahanan yang meliputi pendidikan dan pelatihan, pertukaran personel serta pengembangan industri pertahanan. Siaran pers Kementerian Pertahanan yang diterima ANTARA di Jakarta, Selasa mengatakan, kesepakatan kerja sama itu terungkap dalam pertemuan Wakil Menteri Pertahanan Sjafrie Sjamsoeddin dan Pangeran Khalid bin Sultan, dalam lawatannya ke Arab Saudi. "Kedua belah pihak pada Juni 2011 akan membentuk 'Working Group' atau 'Military Joint Committee' (WG/MJC) dengan tugas melakukan inventarisasi ruang lingkup kerja sama. Pertemuan pertama WG/MJC direncanakan diadakan di Riyadh, Saudi Arabia atau di Jakarta. Pertemuan forum WG/MJC, selanjutnya diikuti dengan penandatanganan nota kesepahaman kedua pihak pada Desember 2011. Selain itu, dalam lawatannya tersebut, Wamenhan Sjafrie juga memperkenalkan beberapa produk militer buatan Indonesia, seperti senjata jenis rifle SS2 V1 produksi terbaru PT Pindad dan miniatur model pesawat angkut medium jenis CN 235 produksi PT Dirgantara Indonesia. Selama berada di Riyadh, Wamenhan juga berkesempatan berkunjung ke Shaqr Al-Jazeera Museum yang museum militer King Abdul Aziz yang merupakan museum sejarah aviasi Arab Saudi, serta "Advance Electronic Company" yang merupakan perusahaan elektronik mutakhir milik Kemhan Arab Saudi. Sumber : Antara [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: dah saya betul2 cabut (Begitu busuk Tawang yang dijilat Hasan Basri...)
Begitu busuk Tawang ygn adalah orang Islam yang pantatnya dijilat Hasan Basri yang memagn sudah gila itu... Dia suruh saya mengencingi manusia... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" wrote: > > Habe,ini sudah yg kedua kali saya mo cabut soalnya saya dilarang duduk2 satu > majlis dg Yusfiq dan Item Abu Dapur.Nanti kalau Yusfiq sudah berani ngencingi > Marlene saya janji mo balik lagi.Sekarang Good Bye dulu.Tapi pasti Yusfiq > takut diusir oleh bininya nanti bisa2 kemah dia. > > Shalom, > Tawangalun. > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Habe" wrote: > > > > tawang, > > ente ngga perlu cabut dari sini > > sebab mereka si kuplik dan si item culun bakalan > > teriak teriak senang sekaligus bangga lantaran merasa menang > > > > gue lebih rela berteman sama elu dari pada manusia dajal seperti mereka wang > > > > para atheist bloon > > > > cmon wang, jangan minggat > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" wrote: > > > > > > Niat saya exit akirnya kulaksanakan juga sebab yg kudapat disini : > > > > > > 1.Saya njur pinter misuh ketularan Yusfiq sama Item yg congornya memang > > > trocoh. > > > 2.Dulu sudah kutuliskan bahwa FURQAN memang melarang saya bersama wong > > > Kafir yg clometan ttg FURQAN sementara kamu duduk2 disebelahnya. > > > > > > Tapi di Zamanku saya masih seneng nulis disana ada moderator jadi rada > > > punya aturan. > > > > > > Shalom, > > > Tawangalun. > > > > > > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] dah saya betul2 cabut
Pergi saja kau Tawang... karena sudah kalah debat :D gp 2006/1/1 suryana > > > Kang Tawang ngapain cabut dari kampung ini ?, jangan karena gara gara si > ireng abu gosok en uda JQ, mereka kan dah termasuk manusia gagal, masuk in > ajah alamat mail mereka kedalam trash alias di blog, semua jadi rapi, aku > sudah memblock grepe, uda JQ dan bentaran lagi si ireng abu gosok. > > sur. > > - Original Message - > From: "Tawangalun" > > > Niat saya exit akirnya kulaksanakan juga sebab yg kudapat disini : > > > > 1.Saya njur pinter misuh ketularan Yusfiq sama Item yg congornya memang > > trocoh. > > 2.Dulu sudah kutuliskan bahwa FURQAN memang melarang saya bersama wong > > Kafir yg clometan ttg FURQAN sementara kamu duduk2 disebelahnya. > > > > Tapi di Zamanku saya masih seneng nulis disana ada moderator jadi rada > > punya aturan. > > > > Shalom, > > Tawangalun. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: dah saya betul2 (Suryana menjilat pantat tukang suruh perkosa ....
Betul-betul menjijikkan. Suryana manusia bermental anjing penjilat pantat Tawang yagn adalah tukang suruh perkosa perempuan Tionghoa, artinya yanga bisa saja istri atau anak-anaknya sendiri. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "suryana" wrote: > > Kang Tawang ngapain cabut dari kampung ini ?, jangan karena gara gara si > ireng abu gosok en uda JQ, mereka kan dah termasuk manusia gagal, masuk in > ajah alamat mail mereka kedalam trash alias di blog, semua jadi rapi, aku > sudah memblock grepe, uda JQ dan bentaran lagi si ireng abu gosok. > > sur. > - Original Message - > From: "Tawangalun" > > > > Niat saya exit akirnya kulaksanakan juga sebab yg kudapat disini : > > > > 1.Saya njur pinter misuh ketularan Yusfiq sama Item yg congornya memang > > trocoh. > > 2.Dulu sudah kutuliskan bahwa FURQAN memang melarang saya bersama wong > > Kafir yg clometan ttg FURQAN sementara kamu duduk2 disebelahnya. > > > > Tapi di Zamanku saya masih seneng nulis disana ada moderator jadi rada > > punya aturan. > > > > Shalom, > > Tawangalun. > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: Anggota DPR yang Nonton Video Porno Saat Paripurna Ternyata dari
Saya suka gambar pantat, karena mirip dengan wajah Nabi Muhammad SAW GP 2011/4/13 rezameutia > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "great.pretender2000" > wrote: > > > > Ya, karena mirip Wajah Muhammad. :D > > > > wah..., "iya", katanya si grepe?! > jadi memang bener gambar kesukaan elu pantat Wajah Muhammad Ryan? > > > > GP > > > > 2011/4/12 rezameutia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "great.pretender2000" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Iya, karena mirip wajah Muhammad berdasarkan Riset :D > > > > > > > > > > wah.., 'iya' katanya si grepe?! > > > jadi memang bener gambar kesukaan elu pantat?? > > > > > > @#$% > > > > > > > gp > > > > > > > > 2011/4/12 rezameutia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kalo gambar kesukaan lu pantat ya?? > > > > > > > > > > hahaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "great.pretender2000" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Itu gambar kesukaan Muhammad dan gambar kesukaan Kader PKS > Arfinto > > > > > > > > > > > > GP > > > > > > > > > > > > 2011/4/12 rezameutia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hahaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gw kira gambar apaan, ternyata gambar supaya lu ngeloco bareng > ama > > > > > jusfiq > > > > > > > lebih afdol ya?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "great.pretender2000" > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nih Reza buktinya... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://img7.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/5990/5990645a16f1423035494b8c2f8d91d0471974c.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2011/4/12 rezameutia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Udah Schakmaat... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asiik.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jadi, si grepe udah berhasil dirayu dan mau ngeloco bareng > > > seperti > > > > > si > > > > > > > item > > > > > > > > > muke kontol ya?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hehehe... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rezameutia cuman bisa bawa buku Haykal yang adalah buku > taik > > > > > anjing > > > > > > > yang > > > > > > > > > ditulisnya untuk menipu orang Islam dan hadits yang TIDAK > > > membantah > > > > > > > hadits > > > > > > > > > sahih Bikhari yang meriwayatkan tu nabi bilanag dia sakit > (yang > > > > > membaa > > > > > > > maut) > > > > > > > > > karena karena racun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buku haykal itu diakui secara internasional. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anda kan tidak pernah membaca buku haykal, tapi sudah > melakukan > > > > > > > kesimpulan > > > > > > > > > sendiri dan melakukan dusta dan fitnah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sama lah seperti ketika anda berdusta dan melakukan fitnah > > > tanpa > > > > > malu > > > > > > > > > dengan mengatakan "bucaille charlatan", tanpa pernah > membaca > > > > > bukunya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Udah end game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Game over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > siipp.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nah grepe, jusfiq udah abis2an menjilat pantat anda tuh. > > > silahkan > > > > > > > kalian > > > > > > > > > mojok dan ngeloco bareng sambil ngomongin nabi muhammad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kesian tuh si jusnkie tua dari tadi mati2an ngebelain elu > terus > > > > > tuh... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hehehe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "rezameutia" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yah.., payah dah si tolol, cuman muter2 nggak keruan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tadi topiknya ngomongin wafatnya nabi muhammad diracun > atau > > > > > nggak? > > > > > > > > > setelah dw kasih bukti berupa buku haekal dan hadis, > sekarang > > > lu > > > > > ngacir > > > > > > > dari > > > > > > > > > topik dan oot ngomongin riset. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begini dah tipikal kristen, kelewatan tololnya kayak > > > zombie... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "great.pretender2000" > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saya cuma mau tanya.. Reza... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apakah Riset itu selalu benar? Ya atau Tidak? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2011/4/12 rezameutia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [proletar] dah saya betul2 cabut
Kang Tawang ngapain cabut dari kampung ini ?, jangan karena gara gara si ireng abu gosok en uda JQ, mereka kan dah termasuk manusia gagal, masuk in ajah alamat mail mereka kedalam trash alias di blog, semua jadi rapi, aku sudah memblock grepe, uda JQ dan bentaran lagi si ireng abu gosok. sur. - Original Message - From: "Tawangalun" > Niat saya exit akirnya kulaksanakan juga sebab yg kudapat disini : > > 1.Saya njur pinter misuh ketularan Yusfiq sama Item yg congornya memang > trocoh. > 2.Dulu sudah kutuliskan bahwa FURQAN memang melarang saya bersama wong > Kafir yg clometan ttg FURQAN sementara kamu duduk2 disebelahnya. > > Tapi di Zamanku saya masih seneng nulis disana ada moderator jadi rada > punya aturan. > > Shalom, > Tawangalun. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Koka kola
Suatu hari, di bapa Cornelius pu rmh, panas terik ampe udara panas masuk sampe ke dlm rmh...Jadi bapa Cornelius suru dia pu anak laki2, Yosep utk pergi beli coca cola...untuk ada 4 org, yaitu bapa Cornelius, ibu Mina, Yakobus dan Yosep...(Yosep ini baru umur 7 thn). Cornelius : "Ocep, ko pergi beli koka kola di kios depan dulu..." Yosep : "Sipp bapa...!!!" Krn Yosep sung blng sip, jadi Cornelius lgsg kasi uang 20 rb ke Yosep...Tapi Cornelius masi ragu dgn Yosep krn ia masi kecil...Trus Cornelius tny ulang lg apa yg mau dibeli td... Cornelius : " Ocep, ko ingat eee...Ko beli koka kola satu buat bapa, satu bt mama, satu bt kaka, dan satu bt ko...Jadi nanti ko beli koka kola brp???" Yosep : "Tigaa bapa...!!!" Cornelius : "Aahhh...Ko bodok skali Ko bli satu buat bapa, satu buat mama, satu buat kaka, trus satu buat ko...Jadi semuanya brapaa" Yosep : " Ocep bli koka kola tiga bapaa...!!!" Cornelius : "Adooohhh...Tuang ampunn eee...!!!" Krn Cornelius su jengkel, Cornelius lgsg pukul Yosep dgn sapu lidi kecil sampe Yosep menangis tabongkar bongkar... Cornelius : "ko ini tra tau menghitung ka...!!! Ko bli koka kola bt bapa, mama, kaka, dgn ko itu semua jumlahnya ampat...!!! Bukan tigaa..." Yosep : " (sambil menangis)... Ocep beli koka kola tiga saja... Ocep mau fanta merah bapa..." Cornelius : Oooo kenapa ko tra bilang dari tadi...! Ch@™ pin: 21EF6D92 Charles Asiku Charles Asiku Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] 4 Musim
Suatu hari seorang ayah menyuruh anak2nya ke hutan melihat sebuah pohon pir di waktu yg berbeda. Anak 1 disuruhnya pergi pd musim DINGIN, Anak 2 pd musim SEMI, yang 3 pd musim PANAS, dan yg ke 4 pd musim GUGUR. Anak 1: pohon pir itu tampak sangat jelek dan batangnya bengkok. Anak 2: pohon itu dipenuhi kuncup2 hijau yg menjanjikan. Anak 3: pohon itu dipenuhi dg bunga2 yg menebarkan bau yg harum. Anak 4: ia tdk setuju dgn saudaranya, ia berkata bhw pohon itu penuh dengan buah yg matang dan ranum. Kemudian sang ayah berkata bahwa kalian semua benar, hanya saja kalian melihat di waktu yg berbeda. Ayahnya berpesan "mulai skrg jangan pernah menilai kehidupan hanya berdasarkan satu masa yg sulit" Opportunity: Ketika kita sedang mengalami masa2 sulit, segalanya terlihat tdk menjanjikan, banyak kegagalan dan kekecewaan, jgn cepat menyalahkan diri dan org lain bahkan berkata bahwa kita tidak mampu, bodoh dan bernasib sial. Ditangan Tuhan hidup kita berarti, tidak ada istilah "nasib sial" bagi org percaya. Kerjakan yg menjadi bagian kita dan percayalah Tuhan akan mengerjakan bagian-Nya... Jika kita tdk bersabar ketika berada dimusim dingin, maka kita akan kehilangan musim semi dan musim panas yg menjanjikan harapan, dan kt tdk akan memanen hasil dimusim gugur. "Kegelapan malam tidak selamanya bertahan, esok akan datang fajar yg akan mengusir kegelapan." Tuhan membuat segala sesuatunya menjadi indah pd waktuNya. Ch@™ pin:21EF6D92 Charles Asiku Charles Asiku Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: dah saya betul2 cabut
Habe,ini sudah yg kedua kali saya mo cabut soalnya saya dilarang duduk2 satu majlis dg Yusfiq dan Item Abu Dapur.Nanti kalau Yusfiq sudah berani ngencingi Marlene saya janji mo balik lagi.Sekarang Good Bye dulu.Tapi pasti Yusfiq takut diusir oleh bininya nanti bisa2 kemah dia. Shalom, Tawangalun. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Habe" wrote: > > tawang, > ente ngga perlu cabut dari sini > sebab mereka si kuplik dan si item culun bakalan > teriak teriak senang sekaligus bangga lantaran merasa menang > > gue lebih rela berteman sama elu dari pada manusia dajal seperti mereka wang > > para atheist bloon > > cmon wang, jangan minggat > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" wrote: > > > > Niat saya exit akirnya kulaksanakan juga sebab yg kudapat disini : > > > > 1.Saya njur pinter misuh ketularan Yusfiq sama Item yg congornya memang > > trocoh. > > 2.Dulu sudah kutuliskan bahwa FURQAN memang melarang saya bersama wong > > Kafir yg clometan ttg FURQAN sementara kamu duduk2 disebelahnya. > > > > Tapi di Zamanku saya masih seneng nulis disana ada moderator jadi rada > > punya aturan. > > > > Shalom, > > Tawangalun. > > > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] tentang ilmu sosial...
pemahaman pengetahuan sosial dibutuhkan ketika dalam suatu wilayah/area, ada/dihuni lebih dari 1 manusia... namun ilmu sosial tidak dibutuhkan apabila anda berada di pulau sendirian (1 manusia) Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] materialisme dialektik dan idealisme
Materialisme dialektik adalah alat/tool yang digunakan sbg analisis alam semesta secara realistik termasuk manusia (dalam hal ini termasuk kedalam ilmu sosial) sedangkan idealisme, kita gunakan sebagai imajinasi tujuan kita, cita-cita kita, untuk membuat masyarakat madani, yang berkeadilan sosial Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] materialisme realistis dan sosialisme idealis....2...
ilmu sosial dng keanekaragamnya memang menyenangkan dan meminjam istilah mbak, memuaskan dlm penjelasannya, namun kalau kita tidak punya perspektive materialis vulgar realistis, saya takutnya kejebak kedalam sosialisme... idealis, seperti marx yang menganggap komunisme sbg satu-satunya jalan keadilan, atau juga sosialisme sbg satu-satunya jalan keadilan.. padahal belum tentu kapitalisme jelek secara absulut, justru berangkat dari perspektive materialisme vulgar realistis, kita bisa melihat kenyataan adanya kapitalisme,sosialisme menurut saya kita akan mendapat penjelasan realistis mengapa kapitalisme pada kenyataannya ada, dan saya kira menarik ketika kita bisa mendialektikakan kapitalisme dan sosialisme secara kontekstual, mana yg harus dikapitalis, dan mana yg harus disosalis, intinya jangan mengabsolutekan sesuatu hal,misal statemen kropotkin yg sudah menjudge/fatwa manusia adalah mahluk sosial...;-) Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] terbangnya si lebah kikuk
geoffrey rush as david helfgott dalam periode suram di akhir hayat sbg gelandangan juga gangguan mental. adegan ia nyaris diusir pelayan bar ketika "menyentuh" piano namun berubah saat petikan nikolai rimsky liar berakrobat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEM4vt3cU08 Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] materialisme realistis dan sosialisme idealis....
saya kira yg lebih penting adalah thesis saya berikut... seseorang yg memahami materialisme dialektik, akan cenderung menjadi realistis, karena ia mampu melihat realita cara kerja alam semesta yg tidak pasti sedangkan seseorang yg cenderung menyukai agama, atau kepercayaan natural/takhyul, lebih cenderung sbg seorang idealis karena ia selalu bergulat dng imajinasinya sendiri... tapi dari keduanya bisa kita manfaatkan sbg senjata ampuh manusia dalam mengekspresikan kemanusiaannya yg hakiki, apabila memahami kapan dan dalam situasi apa berperspektive materalis realistis dan kapan dan dalam situasi apa dalam berperspektive idealis sebagai seorang materialis realistis, saya melihat kapitalisme yg berasal dari pemahaman manusia yg individual, maka hal tsb adalah alamiah namun sebagai seorang sosialis idealis, saya tidak menyukai kapitalisme,... (dalam perspektive materialisme realistis nampak jelas bahwa manusia mempunyai dua sifat sekaligus, yaitu sifat individual/agresif dan sifat komunal) --- Materialisme dialektik saya kira adalah pencerahan... yg mampu menjelaskan mengapa ilmu sosial tidak exact/tidak pasti...(akibat dari cara kerja alam yg tidak pasti, ilmu sosial terikat oleh hukum-hukum alam) dan juga mampu menjelaskan mengapa kinerja alam semesta juga tidak pasti (akibat ketidakpastian cara kerja materi sbg penyusunnya) Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Hasan Basri menggigil ketakutan ditinggal Tawang...
Hasan Basri yang sudah jadi gila itu menggigil ketakutan ditinggal Tawang yang adalah salah seorang manusia biadab yang senang perempuan Tionghoa di perkosa dan jago tukang fitnah, seperti juga Hasan Basri, di mailing list ini. Lalu dia merengek-rengek supaya Tawang tidak ngacir dari mailing list ini. Kasihan. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Hasan Basri menggigil ketakutan ditinggal Tawang...
Hasan Basri yang sudah jadi gila itu menggigil ketakutan ditinggal Tawang yang adalah salah seorang manusua biadab yang senang perempuan Tionghoa di perkosa dan jago tukang fitnah, seperti juga Hasan Basri, di mailing list ini. Lalu dia merengek-rengek supaya Tawang tidak ngacir dari mailing list ini. Kasihan. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: another music for duke dkk
cakep banget beh .. thanks again blon pernah nemu dan nonton film ini sih. di luar rekomendasi dan potongan dari klipnya, kayaknya worth it .. or a must ;o) tipikal adegan secara "on the spot" kayak si pianis mendadak dapat pencerahan (or "soul") ginian emang berpotensi dramatis. jika masih meminjam film mr. holland's opus, ada adegan cukup "berbahaya" ketika si guru mulai bimbang saat "naksir" dgn salah satu muridnya sang solis utk acara gershwin's nite. "berbahaya" karena berpotensi membawanya lari dari kenyataan, termasuk meninggalkan keluarga dan terutama integritasnya sbg guru, musisi idealis, lelaki, sekaligus kepala rumah tangga. "naksir" di sini debat-able, bisa berarti terbukanya peluang untuk lebih terkenal sbg musisi di kota besar serta "ditemani" vokalis cantik berbakat dan masih muda. juga gak tertutup kemungkinan ada "naksir" lainnya secara jasmani walau gak secara eksplisit ditampilkan, artinya masih "naksir aman". maka saat ia kembali duduk dan mengalunkan piano, ia hanya cukup membayangkan saja tanpa perlu malu kepada pengecutnya. menurutku adegan ini indah, mirip sensasi "playing love", si guru cukup menandainya dgn judul partitur rowena's tunes. sang istripun pasrah saat "memergoki" lewat katalog musikal. udah nyimak "shine", biopic-nya pianis david helfgott? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A84-s9RyNw --- "Habe" wrote: > > pernah nonton legend of 1900 duke? > man, itu film tim roth terbaik yg pernah dia bintangi > > musicnya man o man > adegan dia main piano secara ekpresif > sambil melihat seorang cewek di luar jendela > adalah adegan dengan film plus music yang paling > membuat mata ane basah, laksana bocah kurang jajan > > playing love, this is a masterpiece > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgXW6XDnhXA > > film ini wajib ditonton oleh orang yang menyukai > movie dan musik yang berbobot > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: another music for duke dkk
cakep banget beh .. thanks again blon pernah nemu dan nonton film ini sih. di luar rekomendasi dan potongan dari klipnya, kayaknya worth it .. or a must ;o) tipikal adegan secara "on the spot" kayak si pianis mendadak dapat pencerahan (or "soul") ginian emang berpotensi dramatis. jika masih meminjam film mr. holland's opus, ada adegan cukup "berbahaya" ketika si guru mulai bimbang saat "naksir" dgn salah satu muridnya sang solis utk acara gershwin's nite. "berbahaya" karena berpotensi membawanya lari dari kenyataan, termasuk meninggalkan keluarga dan terutama integritasnya sbg guru, musisi idealis, lelaki, sekaligus kepala rumah tangga. "naksir" di sini debat-able, bisa berarti terbukanya peluang untuk lebih terkenal sbg musisi di kota besar serta "ditemani" vokalis cantik berbakat dan masih muda. juga gak tertutup kemungkinan ada "naksir" lainnya secara jasmani walau gak secara eksplisit ditampilkan, artinya masih "naksir aman". maka saat ia kembali duduk dan mengalunkan piano, ia hanya cukup membayangkan saja tanpa perlu malu kepada pengecutnya. menurutku adegan ini indah, mirip sensasi "playing love", si guru cukup menandainya dgn judul partitur rowena's tunes. sang istripun pasrah saat "memergoki" lewat katalog musikal. udah nyimak "shine", biopic-nya pianis david helfgott? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A84-s9RyNw --- "Habe" wrote: > > pernah nonton legend of 1900 duke? > man, itu film tim roth terbaik yg pernah dia bintangi > > musicnya man o man > adegan dia main piano secara ekpresif > sambil melihat seorang cewek di luar jendela > adalah adegan dengan film plus music yang paling > membuat mata ane basah, laksana bocah kurang jajan > > playing love, this is a masterpiece > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgXW6XDnhXA > > film ini wajib ditonton oleh orang yang menyukai > movie dan musik yang berbobot > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] France24: Mubarak, two sons detained in corruption probe
Mubarak, two sons detained in corruption probe By News Wires the 13/04/2011 - 07:58 Former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak (centre) and his two sons have been detained for 15 days while allegations of corruption and abuse of authority are investigated. AFP - Egypt's ex-president Hosni Mubarak has been placed in detention for 15 days, prosecutors said Wednesday shortly after state media reported his two sons had also been detained. In a statement on the public prosecutor's Facebook page, a spokesman said the prosecutor Abdel Maguid Mahmoud authorised the detentions "as part of an inquiry into the use of force against protesters during the unrest in January and February." Mubarak was admitted to hospital on Tuesday in the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh shortly after suffering a heart attack during questioning by prosecutors, state media said. It was not immediately clear where his 15-day detention would take place. Earlier, state television said Mubarak's two sons had also been detained. "It has been decided to imprison Gamal and Alaa for 15 days for the needs of the inquiry," the report said. They are accused of incitement to fire at demonstrators during a popular uprising that lasted from January 25 till February 11 when Mubarak reluctantly stepped down. Nearly 800 people died during the uprising. A security source said the two brothers were heading for the Tora prison in Cairo from the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh where they were interrogated. On Sunday, public prosecutor Abdel Magid Mahmud ordered the inquiry, as part of a sweeping probe into corruption and abuse. The Mubaraks were to be asked about allegations that they were "connected to the crimes of assault against protesters, leading to deaths and injuries", the official MENA news agency said. Prosecutors had begun questioning Mubarak and his son Gamal earlier on Tuesday, Justice Minister Abdel Aziz al-Guindi said, adding that the questioning over acquiring wealth illegally had not yet started "as that will be handled by the department of illicit gains". State television reported that Mubarak had refused to eat or drink since he received news on Tuesday morning that he was to be questioned. He was admitted by his bodyguards to the VIP wing of the Sharm el-Sheikh International Hospital, the report said, adding that the hospital was not accepting any patients except for emergency cases. Police cars and ambulances surrounded the hospital, as well as a heavy military police presence, the television said. The former president was dressed in a black and white track suit, a witness said. Asked if Mubarak was in good health, hospital director Mohammed Fathallah replied: "Somewhat." The state-owned daily Al-Ahram, citing sources in Sharm el-Sheikh, said on its website that Mubarak had gone to hospital "under the pretext of being unwell in order to avoid facing questioning". The former president was also to be quizzed about allegations of graft, MENA added. The prosecutor's summons came after the broadcast of an audio tape in which Mubarak defended his reputation and after weeks of mounting protests calling for him to be put on trial. In the audio message aired on the pan-Arab television network Al-Arabiya, Mubarak complained he was the victim of a smear campaign. He pledged his assistance in a probe of his family's foreign assets, but his defiance in threatening lawsuits against the media angered Egyptians who have been pressing for his trial. After he resigned, Mubarak and his family moved to a residence in Sharm el-Sheikh. Although he is subject to a travel ban, his relative freedom has been a thorn in the side of the military rulers. Weekly protests demanding his trial have attracted tens of thousands and eventually led to a deadly clash with soldiers early Saturday after they tried to clear an overnight demonstration in Cairo's Tahrir Square. Source URL: http://www.france24.com/en/20110413-egypt-mubarak-sons-detained-corruption-abuse-power-probe-gamal-alaa Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Aljazeera: Contact group urges Libya action
Africa Contact group urges Libya action Top-level delegates meeting in Qatar say more pressure must be put on Gaddafi's regime as rebels demand his ouster. Last Modified: 13 Apr 2011 10:04 Members of the international contact group on Libya have called for more pressure to be exerted against Muammar Gaddafi's regime, but they disagreed on whether to arm the rebels seeking to eject him. At the start of the fist meeting of the group in the Qatari capital Doha, on Wednesday, the group was aiming to focus on the future of Libya after an African Union attempt to broker a peace deal between rebel groups and Gaddafi collapsed. "We should ... move forward quickly to ensure that nations wishing to support the (rebel Libyan) interim National Council in meeting its public sector costs can do so in a transparent manner," British Foreign Secretary William Hague said. On the eve of the meeting, a spokesman for the rebel Transitional National Council (TNC) said it will accept nothing short of the removal of Gaddafi and his sons from the country. Mahmud Shammam, whose group seeks international recognition as the legitimate government of Libya, also stressed: "We want to move from the de facto recognition of the council to an internationally-recognised legitimacy." Opposition officials also hope to convince the international community to lift sanctions on eastern Libya. This would free up money in Libyan bank accounts abroad and allow banks in eastern Libya to obtain foreign currency and transfer payments to banks overseas, in order to import basic commodities and other goods. Shammam said the contact group is comprised of high-level international diplomats, and was set up at a conference in London last month. Arming the rebels As allies scramble to finalise a strategy to deal with the crisis, arming the rebels became a flashpoint. Italy wants the international community to consider arming Libyan rebels under the UN resolution authorising the use of all means to defend civilians, the Italian foreign ministry spokesman said. "The discussion about arming the rebels is definitely on the table ... to defend themselves," Italy's Maurizio Massari said on the sidelines of the meeting in Doha. Click here to follow our Libya live blog "The UN resolution ... does not forbid arming" the rebels fighting Gaddafi's forces, he told reporters, while adding that a decision was unlikely to be taken at the meeting in the Qatari capital. "We need to provide the rebels all possible defensive means," he said, singling out communication and intelligence equipment. However, in an apparent rift between EU partners on Libya, Steven Vanackere, the Belgian Foreign Minister said his country was opposed to the idea. "The UN resolution speaks about protecting civilians, not arming them," he said. The Libyan government has dismissed the talks and Qatar's role in the ongoing conflict. "We are very hopeful that the American people and the American government will not buy into the Qatari lies and Qatari schemes," a spokesman of the Libyan regime told reporters in Tripoli on Tuesday. "Qatar is hardly a partner of any kind. It's more of an oil corporation than a true nation," the spokesman said. Among those expected to come to the Doha talks is Moussa Koussa, Libya's former foreign minister, who fled to Britain last month after he defected. He has reportedly arrived in Qatar to meet Libyan rebels. Koussa, a long-time top aide to Gaddafi, will not formally participate in the meeting but is expected to hold talks on the sidelines, British sources said. "He's not connected to (the rebel) Transitional National Council in any way or shape," Mustafa Gheriani, a media liaison official of the rebels, said. Gheriani added that he was personally surprised to learn that Koussa was leaving Britain to attend the Qatar talks, and suggested that British officials should explain why he was going and in what capacity. 'Free individual' Koussa, the most prominent Libyan government defector, sought refuge in Britain on March 30. A friend said he quit in protest at attacks on civilians by Gaddafi''s forces. The former spy chief was questioned by Scottish police over the 1988 Lockerbie airliner bombing, which killed 270 people, but the British government said he was now free to travel. Click here for more on our special coverage "We understand he is travelling today to Doha to meet with the Qatar government and a range of Libyan representatives to offer insight in advance of the contact group meeting," a Foreign Office spokesman said. No Gaddafi representatives are expected to attend. "Moussa Koussa is a free individual who can travel to and from the United Kingdom as he wishes," the spokesman said. British government sources said they expected Koussa to return to Britain after his talks, although others questioned the wisdom of letting him leave. "It is very important that our count
[proletar] Aljazeera: Clinton urges Arab states to embrace reform
Americas Clinton urges Arab states to embrace reform US secretary of state tells US-Islamic World Forum in Washington that Arab youths will not "accept the status quo". Last Modified: 13 Apr 2011 09:08 US secretary of state Hillary Clinton praised Arab youth for rising up against 'false narratives' [AFP] Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state, has urged Arab leaders to embrace the "spirit of reform" that has swept the region and move swiftly to respond to the growing demands of their citizens. "The long Arab winter has begun to thaw," said Clinton on Tuesday, at the opening day of the US-Islamic World Forum being held in Washington. She praised Arab youth for rising up against "false narratives" that she said had choked political and economic reform for generations. "All the signs of progress we have seen in recent months will only be meaningful if more leaders in more places move faster and further to embrace this spirit of reform," she said. Before an audience that included representatives of more than 30 Muslim nations, the top US diplomat said that "for the first time in decades there is a real opportunity for change" following the historic unrest in the region. Arab youth, she added, will no longer "accept the status quo" and "know a better life is within reach - and they are willing to reach for it". Officials from Muslim majority nations including Jordan, Turkey, Indonesia, Pakistan and Afghanistan are attending the annual meeting, which aims to build greater understanding between the United States and Muslim countries. Earlier on Tuesday, while opening the forum, Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, the secretary general of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC), called for the United States to be more active in solving conflicts in the Muslim world. Ihsanoglu called for a resumption of the Middle East peace process so that it can be the cornerstone of US-Muslim world relations. He said that it was "high time" for talks to resume to find a two-state solution between the Israelis and the Palestinians. Middle East conflict dominates Meanwhile, US senator John Kerry, called at the three-day forum for "anyone here who can intervene and play a role to do so" in reviving the peace talks between the Palestinians and Israelis. Muslim officials insisted that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict remains at the heart of relations between the United States and the Islamic world. Even as the meeting opened in Washington, diplomats at the United Nations said the United States had blocked a bid to break the deadlock in the Middle East peace process by not agreeing to a meeting in Berlin on Friday. In that meeting, Britain, France and Germany wanted to outline a settlement to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. "We all know that if one wants to advance peace in the Middle East you don't put the Palestinian question on the back burner, you put it on the front burner, " the Palestinian envoy to the United Nations, Riyad Mansour, told the AFP news agency. "There has to be a peace treaty between Israel and the Palestinians." Direct peace talks between the Palestinians and Israel collapsed last year. In its eighth year, the forum is being held at a time of unprecedented change in the Arab world, with uprisings against autocratic leaders across the Middle East and North Africa. Source: Agencies Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] BBC: Libya crisis: 'Race against time' for civilians
13 April 2011 Last updated at 11:34 GMT Libya crisis: 'Race against time' for civilians An international summit on Libya is under way in Qatar, with delegates hearing there is a "race against time" to help Libyan civilians. Qatar's crown prince said that every day that passed meant more victims. Rebels seeking to topple Col Gaddafi are making their first high-profile diplomatic appearance and will meet the newly formed "contact group" on Libya. Giving the rebels military, political and financial support will all be discussed, as will Nato's role. Ahead of the meeting, the French and British foreign ministers said Nato should be doing more in Libya. 'Isolating the regime' The "contact group" was formed at an international ministerial conference in London on 29 March and includes European powers, the US, allies from the Middle East and a number of international organisations. On his way to its summit in Qatar, British Foreign Secretary William Hague noted that the military situation had gone back and forth, telling the BBC that more pressure - both political and military - could be necessary. "What may appear at the moment a military deadlock is not a deadlock in the world of diplomacy and sanctions, the isolation of the regime, and I hope the recognition of many in the regime that it has no long-term future," he said. Continue reading the main story Analysis image of James Robbins James Robbins Diplomatic correspondent, Qatar There are three main areas of discussion in Qatar. Firstly to intensify pressure on Col Gaddafi to leave office. Britain, France and others would like to see specific language in the documents from this meeting saying that he has to go. The last meeting in London merely said that he had lost legitimacy. Getting agreement on that could be quite difficult. The second thing is to look further into Libya's future and give more active encouragement to political development by the opposition - so they can offer a more fleshed-out alternative to Col Gaddafi. The third thing is the possibility of setting up an international fund so countries can donate money directly to help support essential services in rebel-held cities. Mr Hague said he could not predict when the operation would end but said that its air strikes had "saved thousands of lives". France and Britain both want more Nato states to contribute combat aircraft to the mission in Libya, with French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe saying on Tuesday that Nato's efforts in Libya were so far "not enough". "Nato must play its role fully. It wanted to take the lead in operations," he said. Italian foreign ministry spokesman Maurizio Massari said ahead of the talks that "discussion about arming the rebels is definitely on the table". Air strikes have so far failed to tip the military balance decisively against Col Gaddafi's regime. Dutch Brig Gen Mark Van Uhm, head of Nato operations in Libya, said he felt Nato was doing well "with the assets we have". The alliance had been successful in establishing a no-fly zone, protecting civilians and enforcing an arms embargo, he said. Late on Tuesday, the coalition said its air strikes had destroyed five tanks near Misrata. The Pentagon said Nato had not asked the US to increase its role in the mission. The Libyan government on Tuesday repeated its condemnation of the West's "imperialist way of thinking". Government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim said: "We are ready to fight if it's necessary. Not the Libyan army but every man and woman and every tribe in Libya." He also dismissed summit hosts Qatar as "more of an oil corporation than a true nation". Koussa's 'insights' Earlier this week the rebels' Transitional National Council (TNC) rejected an African Union proposal for a ceasefire in Libya, because it did not provide for Col Gaddafi's immediate departure from power. William Hague on coalition air strikes The plan included a call for an immediate end to hostilities, unhindered humanitarian aid, protection of foreign nationals, dialogue between opposing sides and an end to Nato air strikes. The Transitional National Council, which attended on the sidelines of the London conference, has been invited to address the meeting in Qatar as it continues its campaign to gain international recognition as the voice of the Libyan people. Council spokesman, Mahmud Shammam, said: "We want to move from the de facto recognition of the council to an internationally recognised legitimacy." Among those also due to attend the talks will be former Libyan foreign minister Moussa Koussa, who fled to the UK late last month. He is expected to meet the Qatari government on the sidelines of the talks and offer "insights" on the current situation in Libya, according to British officials. Mr Koussa is a former head of Libyan intelligence and has been accused of being involved in the 1988 Lockerbie bombing. A spokesman from the UK government said that Mr Koussa wa
[proletar] CNN: Daughter of prominent rights activist in Bahrain on hunger strike
Daughter of prominent rights activist in Bahrain on hunger strike By the CNN Wire Staff April 13, 2011 -- Updated 0726 GMT (1526 HKT) Click to play Reporter detained, minded in Bahrain STORY HIGHLIGHTS * Zainab Alkhawaja wrote an open letter to U.S. President Barack Obama * She says her father, husband, brother-in-law and uncle are being detained * "My father's only crime is that he is a human rights activist," she tells CNN * The Bahraini government has not commented on the case (CNN) -- The daughter of a prominent human rights activist says she has started a hunger strike in an effort to win the release of her father and other family members she believes are being detained by authorities in Bahrain. Zainab Alkhawaja wrote an open letter to U.S. President Barack Obama, which she posted on her blog Monday. "I am writing this letter to let you know, that if anything happens to my father, my husband, my uncle, my brother-in-law, or to me, I hold you just as responsible as the AlKhalifa regime," she wrote, referring to the ruling family of Bahrain. "Your support for this monarchy makes your government a partner in crime. "I chose to write to you and not to my own government because the Alkhalifa regime has already proven that they do not care about our rights or our lives," she added. Bahrain cracks down on protesters Why Bahrain's people are scared Bahrain destroys Pearl Monument RELATED TOPICS * Bahrain * Bahrain Center for Human Rights * Civil Unrest * Protests and Demonstrations Alkhawaja's father, Abdulhadi Alkhawaja, is a former president of the Bahrain Center for Human Rights and a former protection coordinator with Front Line, an Irish-based human rights organization. He was taken away after security agents stormed his daughter's home where he was staying in Manama, Bahrain, over the weekend, according to Front Line and to his daughter. The Bahraini government did not immediately comment on his case. "The way he was taken I don't know if he is OK or not. I know he was bleeding. I know he was unconscious," Alkhawaja's daughter told CNN. "Basically I don't want to be the next family to get a call saying please come and collect your relative's body and this is what's been happening in Bahrain. "My father's only crime is that he is a human rights activist. His only crime is that he spoke up for people, that he demanded justice -- that he demanded democracy and for that, this is the price he's paying," she said. Amnesty International released a statement Tuesday urging authorities in Bahrain to reveal the whereabouts and legal status of more than 400 opposition activists detained in recent weeks. "We are increasingly concerned for the safety of these detainees, especially after reports of two further deaths in custody last Saturday," said Malcolm Smart, the group's director for the Middle East and North Africa. U.S. State Department spokesman Mark Toner said he was aware of Alkhawaja's hunger strike and called on the Bahraini government to uphold the universal rights of its people. Protests swept the strategically important island kingdom earlier this year as populations across the Arab world rose up against their rulers. Bahrain, where the U.S. Navy anchors its Fifth Fleet, is a small, predominantly Shiite country governed by a Sunni royal family. It called in Saudi Arabia and other regional troops to help end the protests last month. "As a daughter and as a wife I refuse to stay silent while my father and husband are probably being tortured in Bahraini prisons. As a mother of a 1-year-old who wants her father and grandfather back, I must take a stand. I will not be helpless," wrote the younger Alkhawaja. CNN's Salma Abdelaziz contributed to this report Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Fw: Undangan Mengunjungi: Indonesia Green Forestry Expo 2011
- Forwarded Message From: Indonesia Green Forestry Expo To: visi...@indogreen-ina.com Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 11:54:58 AM Subject: Undangan Mengunjungi: Indonesia Green Forestry Expo 2011 - GRATIS Bibit Pohon buah/Tanaman untuk setiap pengunjung* Yth Bpk/Ibu, Dengan senang kami mengundang Bpk/Ibu untuk mengunjungi "3rd INDONESIA GREEN FORESTRY EXPO 2011", yang berlangsung di Jakarta Convention Center 14 - 17 April 2011 ( http://www.indogreen-ina.com/INA/index.html ) Acara yang bertema "Forest for People - Green Living Concept for Better Future" ini antara lain memamerkan konsep kehidupan dan keseharian yang lebih ramah lingkungan, kondisi hutan di Indonesia beserta upaya pelestariannya, indutri kehutanan dan peluang investasi bisnis, flora dan fauna di hutan lindung, dan upaya-upaya CSR perusahaan nasional dan multinasional dalam pelestarian hutan dan lingkungan. Hadiri juga progam seminar/talkshow (gratis tidak dipungut biaya) dengan pembicara a.l: > Reducing Emissions from Deforestation and Forest Degradation & Sustainable Development - Prof. Dr. Emil Salim dan Sandiaga Uno > " Hutanku Hijau Kotaku Hijau " - lomba melukis untuk siswa/i sekolah dasar Mengubah sampah menjadi Berkah - Taman Nasional Kepulauan Seribu Green Technology oleh Mazda Indonesia dll. Acara pameran gratis, dan *dapatkan bibit tanaman gratis untuk setiap pengunjung (disediakan lebih dari 5000 bibit/pohon tanaman) Go Green Indonesia - Sampai jumpa di Indogreen Forestry 2011. Terimakasih H. Yayuk Promotion Dept. http://www.indogreen-ina.com/INA/index.html Tel: 021-7892938 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Diskusi Dengan Jusplik
buat kenang2an, boleh gak beh klo gw muat di blog? termasuk dgn penyesuaian tokoh tanpa merubah cerita. --- "Habe" wrote: > > Mediator : > Selamat datang suadara saudara di acara diskusi formal antara Jusfik dengan > Robert Plant dari Group Led Zeppelin, dengan tema umum yang bervariasi dari > musik ke politik. Bung Robert silahkan dimulai > > Robert : Selera musik menentukan rasa kebangsaan seseorang, bila suka musik > keroncong, itu artinya anda mencintai produk dalam negeri dan cinta dengan > negara tempat anda dilahirkan > > Jusplik : Anjing! Anda tau yang namanya anjing? Suharto itu menyukai musik > keroncong? Apa anda pikir algojo orde baru yang pernah membunuh sekian juta > manusia adalah seorang humanis? Anjing? Anda adalah lonte orde baru!Kerak > kenistaan! > > Robert: Maaf, bisa kasih contoh kapan saya bilang Suharto itu humanis? > > Juspig : Tolol! Biadab! Dungu! Suharto jelas tanganya berlumuran darah! > > Robert : Iya tapi kapan saya ngomong dia humanis? Bisa dibuktikan? > > Jusplik : Anjing! Tau yang namanya anjing? Nah anda adalah anjing yang suka > asal menggonggog!Suharto yang notabene adalah bangsat penjahat perang tidak > bisa dikatakan sebagai seorang humanis.. > > Robert: Jelas saya tahu anjing itu apa? Trus masalahnya kapan saya ngomong > Suharto itu humanis? > > Juswelfareplik: Anjing! Tau yang namanya anjing? Tukang fitnah nomor satu > yang asal menyalak seperti bebek yang baru dientotin money bonobo.Nah itulah > anda... > > Robert : Sebenarnya anda mau berduskusi atau tidak ? > > Jusplik : Tolol! Dungu! Otak kadal, anda seperti kebanyakan orang islam yang > notabene adalah menyembah almusah berotak tidak lebih gede dafri otak kadal! > > Robert: Saya kristen, bukan Islam.. > > Juspig: Lonte! Anda adalah lonte tukang jilat pantat muslim tidak beda > seperti suryana, ayub yahya dan hasan basri yang gila sejak dia ketangkap > basah mengaku kalau si duke bukan moderator milis proletar > > Robert : Maaf pak moderator, si jusfiq ini kenapa > > Moderator : Anjing! Anda tau yang namanya anjing? Nama saya Item abu, bukan > pak moderator! > > Robert: What the fuck > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: dah saya betul2 cabut (Hasan Basri itu sudah gila..)
Hasan Basri itu sudah gila.. Kasihan saya melihatnya. Dia mula-mulanya waras aja, tapi satu kali dia berdusta bilang Duke itu bukan moderator mailing list ini. Dan omongnnnya dibantah oleh owner mailing list ini yang bilang Duke itu memang moderator mailing list ini. Sejak itu, tidak tahan menanggung malu, Hasan Basri jadi gila Kasihan, benernya. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > Indahnya ucapan si habe yg rela berteman dgn pendukung pedophilia dan tukang > fitnah ini. > > Apa si habe ini pedophile shg dia rela berteman dgn si tawangalun? > > > > > > > > From: Habe > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 5:06:38 PM > Subject: [proletar] Re: dah saya betul2 cabut > > > tawang, > ente ngga perlu cabut dari sini > sebab mereka si kuplik dan si item culun bakalan > teriak teriak senang sekaligus bangga lantaran merasa menang > > gue lebih rela berteman sama elu dari pada manusia dajal seperti mereka wang > > para atheist bloon > > cmon wang, jangan minggat > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" wrote: > > > > Niat saya exit akirnya kulaksanakan juga sebab yg kudapat disini : > > > > 1.Saya njur pinter misuh ketularan Yusfiq sama Item yg congornya memang > trocoh. > > 2.Dulu sudah kutuliskan bahwa FURQAN memang melarang saya bersama wong > > Kafir > >yg clometan ttg FURQAN sementara kamu duduk2 disebelahnya. > > > > Tapi di Zamanku saya masih seneng nulis disana ada moderator jadi rada > > punya > >aturan. > > > > Shalom, > > Tawangalun. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: dah saya betul2 cabut
Indahnya ucapan si habe yg rela berteman dgn pendukung pedophilia dan tukang fitnah ini. Apa si habe ini pedophile shg dia rela berteman dgn si tawangalun? From: Habe To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 5:06:38 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: dah saya betul2 cabut tawang, ente ngga perlu cabut dari sini sebab mereka si kuplik dan si item culun bakalan teriak teriak senang sekaligus bangga lantaran merasa menang gue lebih rela berteman sama elu dari pada manusia dajal seperti mereka wang para atheist bloon cmon wang, jangan minggat --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" wrote: > > Niat saya exit akirnya kulaksanakan juga sebab yg kudapat disini : > > 1.Saya njur pinter misuh ketularan Yusfiq sama Item yg congornya memang trocoh. > 2.Dulu sudah kutuliskan bahwa FURQAN memang melarang saya bersama wong Kafir >yg clometan ttg FURQAN sementara kamu duduk2 disebelahnya. > > Tapi di Zamanku saya masih seneng nulis disana ada moderator jadi rada punya >aturan. > > Shalom, > Tawangalun. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Music for duke
thanks habe .. ni orang udah pernah ke jakarta. doi juga pernah gabung di kelompok cool fussion "rippingtons" bareng david benoit dan dave koz, sebelum ketiganya meninggalkan gitaris russ freeman sendirian. konon salah satu alasan mereka, russ freeman terlalu "encer" dan mengejar selera pasar ehehee personally gw juga gak terlalu demen ama rippingtons kecuali desain kover cd mereka selalu menarik (tokoh kucing-jazz itu). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cBcL0iaW04 --- "Habe" wrote: > > If you do really like jazz > just listen to this gregg karukas > hes an amazing pianist > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7Oo7xempqQ > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi kewarganegaraan
Jawab aja pertanyaan apa lu setuju peraturan halal ngembat anak ingusan 13 thn di Saudi apa kagak? From: David Silalahi To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 5:05:32 PM Subject: Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi kewarganegaraan tentu saja saya menuruti peraturan, kalau tidak mau menuruti peraturan ya lebih baik tinggalkan darah itu atau bicarakan dengan pemerintah. untuk apa hidup melanggar peraturan? anda lebih baik baca tulisan saya kembali, bahwa saya apabila tidak setuju maka ada yang akan saya lakukan. orang kristen lainnya pun sepertinya akan sama pikirannya dengan saya yaitu mengikuti aturan pemerintah, bukan melanggar aturan pemerintah. mau debat kusir apa lagi? 2011/4/13 item abu > > > Dasar tolol, gua ga bilang bhw kalo ga setuju itu hrs jadi anarkis. > > Tp akhirnya lu ini setuju kalo orang Kristen ga boleh nunjukin salib di > muka > umum di Saudi krn itu aturannya. Tentunya lu setuju jg anak ingusan berumur > 13 > thn boleh diembat di saudi krn itu aturannya. > > Kebo aja, biarpun udah dicocok hidungnya kadang masih nolak diangon > seenaknya, > tp lu ini nurut aja ke tiap peraturan yg ada. > > > > From: David Silalahi > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 9:37:14 AM > > Subject: Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi > kewarganegaraan > > dogol. > > setuju atau tidak setuju ya saya harus setuju. > > dalam perbuatan, saya harus setuju. > kalau dalam pikiran masih tidak setuju, maka saya harus menggunakan cara > yang benar untuk menyatakan tidak setuju yaitu melalui dialog dengan > pemerintah, bukan dengan cara melakukan kekerasan ataupun pelanggaran. > > biar bagaimanapun apapun yang diputuskan pemerintah saya harus menaatinya > dan setuju. masalah tidak sepakat atas dasar pemikirannya itu adalah > masalah > lain dan bisa dibicarakan melalui jalur yang benar. > > apa anda mau bilang saya jangan ngeles lagi dan enggak ngerti kalimat saya > di atas? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: kelakuan orang punya otak kah ?
Bapaknya Muhammad, si Abdulah itu tadinya mau dikorbankan ke Hubal. Tp ada tukang sihir yg ngusulin spy ngejalanin pekerjaan syaithon yaitu ngundi pake anak panah spy si Abdulah itu bisa selamat. Jadi, syaithon tuh yg nyelamatin Abdulah, shg si bejad pedophile itu bisa nongol ke dunia. Dgn kata lain si bejad itu bisa nongol usaha syaithon. Kenapa yah syaithon mau nongolin si nabi pedophile ini ke dunia? From: sikebenaran To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 4:12:45 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: kelakuan orang punya otak kah ? Muhammad juga lahirnya ga jelas. Tergantung mazhab, tarekatnya, kapan mo ngerayain lahirnya Muhammad :) Quran sendiri keliru semua isinya. Ilmuwan Aljazair Ali Merad mencemooh para Muhammedan yg merasa tau segalanya hanya karena baca Quran :) --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" wrote: > > Grepe dan Kenyataan sudah ngakoni bahwa: > > 1.HUT yesus jane bukan 25 Desember jadi FURQAN yg bilang bulan Mei lebih > tepat >soale gembala2 pada telanjang dada rapopo.Ning dibulan Desember mereka akan >kademen. > > 2.Ada Jesus seminar dari pakar2 Bijbel di Amerika ngakoni bahwa ayat2 Alkitab >yg asli Yesus gur 18%. > > Karena kedua manusia tsb gak pernah membalas berarti setuju,dan kau lihat si >Kenyataan malah sudah kabur jadi jagomu sudah keok. > > Tawangalun. > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq" wrote: > > > > > > Nah, karena "great pretender" dan "sebuah kenyataan" sudah membuktikan >dengan telak bahwa buku taik anjing al-Mushaf yang anda jadikan kitabh suci >itu >TIDAK berisi wahyu Allah, maka sekarang turutkanlah contoh Wawan. > > > > Injak-injaklah buku taik anjing al-Mushaf yang hingga sekarang masih anda >jadikan kitab suci itu dihadapan keluarga anda. > > > > Lebih bagus lagi bila anda ajak mereka meludahi tu buku taik anjing >beramai-ramai. > > > > Lantas mengencinginnya bersama-sama. > > > > Lalu bareng memberakinya. > > > > Kemudian membuang buku taik anjing berisi suruhan buas, kejam, keji, zalim >lagi biadab itu ke Laut Jawa atau ke kawah gunung Merapi. > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Abbas Amin wrote: > > > > > > katakan tahun 1998 ! Bulan April > > > Beli qur_an kemudian diikencingin. > > > Keduakalinya beli lagi kitab yang sama Juli 1998; dikencingin lagi ! > > > > > > Ketiga kalinya uang yang ada digunakan untuk beli kitab yang sama; > > > September 1998 ! Dikencingin lagi > > > > > > dan seterusnya, mungkin belasan kali uang disiasiakan. > > > > > > Lain kali diinjak injak; beberapa kali juga. > > > > > > buang2 uang hanya untuk begitu ! > > > LOGIKANYA dima > > > Utaknya dipake gak yah ?! > > > Atau ada something wrong barangkali !? > > > > > > Tapi bagus juga sih; penjaja qur_an di Eropa kan terbatas; > > > kalau banyak yang ILLOGIC seperti ini urang Arab atau Turki mungkin > > > bisa menggaruk keuntungan. > > > > > > Lain kali. aku senang juga jualaan KITAB untuk diinjak injak manusia >seperti ini !? > > > Kan lumayan laku. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] dah saya betul2 cabut
Ah, gua nongol ke milis ini, tawangalun ngacir. Kayaknya di tiap milis yg ada gua, tawangalun jg ngacir. Tp ga aneh, krn gua ini emang tukang bikin sepi milis. From: Tawangalun To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 3:48:52 PM Subject: [proletar] dah saya betul2 cabut Niat saya exit akirnya kulaksanakan juga sebab yg kudapat disini : 1.Saya njur pinter misuh ketularan Yusfiq sama Item yg congornya memang trocoh. 2.Dulu sudah kutuliskan bahwa FURQAN memang melarang saya bersama wong Kafir yg clometan ttg FURQAN sementara kamu duduk2 disebelahnya. Tapi di Zamanku saya masih seneng nulis disana ada moderator jadi rada punya aturan. Shalom, Tawangalun. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Sex with animals
Ada jg ulama yg ngajarin bhw kontol itu hrs dicuci kalo abis masuk ke memek dan lobang pantat cewek dan binatang. Artinya, orang Islam itu doyan masukin kontolnya ke memek dan lobang pantat binatang. Gpp sih masukin ke sono, tinggal cuci2 aja. From: Si Kebenaran To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 3:33:54 PM Subject: [proletar] Sex with animals The complete Persian text of this saying can be found in "Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrirolvasyleh, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom" Khomeini's Teachings on sex with animals "The meat of horses, mules, or donkeys is not recommended. It is strictly forbidden if the animal was sodomized while alive by a man. In that case, the animal must be taken outside the city and sold." Editor's notes: I wonder if it is OK to sodomize a dead animal? What happens if the buyer brings the poor animal back into the city? "If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who sodomized it." Editor's note: The poor animal first is sodomized and then killed and burned. What an Islamic justice towards animals? Where are the animal rights group? "It is forbidden to consume the excrement of animals or their nasal secretions. But if such are mixed in minute proportions into other foods their consumption is not forbidden." "If a man (God protect him from it!) fornicates with an animal and ejaculates, ablution is necessary." Editor's note: It does not say who should have ablution: the animal or the man? Jesus, Buddha, Gurus Sikh, Baha’i, & Karl Marx can be compared because of they teach love & justice. It is different wih Muhammad. I read Koran, Hadith, and Sira and found that Muhammad is a ROBBER, MURDERER, TERRORIST, PEDOPHILE, NECROPHILE, CHILD MOLESTER, DAUGHTER-IN-LAW MOLESTER, AUNT MOLESTER. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria
Itu kayaknya perang Badr yg terbesar. Di sirat Ibn Hisham, si nabi keparat itu bilang kira2 "insya auloh, kita akan ngerebut harta orang Mekah". Artinya, harta itu emang harga orang Mekah yg lalu dirampok. Udah gitu, ngomong pake insya auloh lagi, hehehe artinya si keparat itu ga tau apa auloh ngerestui apa kagak ngerampoknya itu. From: widura To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 11:35:05 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria Koq ceritanya mirip film "300" orang sparta yg diserbu orang arab... -Original Message- From: "Abbas" Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 03:22:33 To: Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria Nih kalau kau ingin tahu periwayatan yang sebenarnya : Nabi ngirim surat pada MALIK2 Makkah; dimana dinyatakan berhentilah mengganggu umat Islam; kalau masih mengganggu maka akan kami BALAS; al. Kafilah kalian bakal dicegat dan diserbu. Orang Makkah tak menjawab malah mentertawakan surat tersebut. Dianggap lelucon. Sampai 3X Nabi mengirim surat seperti itu; hasilnya tetap sama; maka setelah itu terjadilah serangan pertama ke KAFILAH Makkah yang menuju Syam. Sehingga timbullah kemarahan Penguasa Makkah dan mengirim 1000 tentara; yang dilawan dengan hanya 300 orang Islam tanpa persenjataan lengkap. Hasilnya orang Quraisy dapat dikalahkan. Aapakah yang begitu anda sebut perampokan ? Adakah perampok mengumumkan bahwa malam ini saya mau rampok rumahmu dan TV mu akan saya ambil !??? --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > Kalo nabi lu nyerang orang yg lagi ngangon ternak tanpa pemberitahuan lebih >dulu > > itu namanya perang atau ngerampok? > > Bukhari Volume 3, Book 46, Number 717: > Narrated Ibn Aun: > >I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the > >Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they >were > > >heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. >Their > > >fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as > >captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn >'Umar > > >had told him the above narration and that Ibn 'Umar was in that army. > > > > > > > > From: Abbas > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 9:27:05 AM > Subject: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria > > > Perang dengan ngerampok berbeda; Tem ! > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > Hehehe apa nabi lu itu bukannya kerjanya ngerampok dan ngebunuh non >Islam? > > > > Kalo ga gitu, emangnya nabi lu itu ngemis2 buat bisa punya bini sampe >belasan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Abbas > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 9:02:14 AM > > Subject: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria > > > > > > Fitnah ! > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > > > Yg beginian udah kerjaan sehari2 orang Islam. krn emang beginilah > > > kerjaan > > > nabinya, ngerampok dan ngebunuh non Islam, tentunya waktu si nabi punya > > > kekuatan militer. > > > > > > Islam itu emang agama yg benar unt para bajingan keparat, bukan? > > > > > > > > > http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=9954 > > > > > > 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in NigeriaApril 12, 2011 > > > Armed with machetes and guns, 1,000 militants attacked the village of > > > Bar > > >Arewa > > > > > > in the northern Nigerian state of Bauchi on April 7. “Almost every home > > > in > > >the > > > > > > > > village was destroyed, and some elderly people were reported to have > > > been > > >burnt > > > > > > to death in their homes,” according to Christian Solidarity Worldwide. > > > > > > The group is part of a larger band of 2,000 militants that has been >attacking > > > > > > non-Muslim villages. > > > > > > 15% of the nation’s 146.5 million people are Catholic, according to >Vatican > > > > > statistics. 50% are Muslim, 25% are Protestant, and 10% retain > > > indigenous > > > beliefs. > > > > > > Source(s): these links will take you to other sites, in a new window. > > > * Election violence in Nigeria before and on polling day (Christian > >Solidarity > > > > > > > > Worldwide) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com Li
Re: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria
Yg jadi tukang caplok taik anget begitu jatuh ke tanah itu adalah lu, misalnya taik anget si Irene Handono itu kan jadi favorit lu. Gua pake sirat dan tafsir selain hadis buat referensi gua, apa lu dan gerombolah Islam plus lu itu make referensi? Ga ada koq, yg ada cuma kaing2 kayak ocehan si Abas di bawah, udah ga ada referensi jg ga nyambung dgn apa yg gua tunjukin. Bani Mustaliq koq dicampuradukin dgn orang Mekah. From: Tawangalun To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 10:37:47 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria Makanya si Item sebelum nglempar Hadis sebaiknya dibaca dulu azbabul Urus atau latar belakang turunnya hadis.Nek FURQAN namanya azbabul nuzul.Jangan begitu Ali Sina ngising lalu tahinya dicaplok.Yo pasti saya tolak. Tawangalun. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Abbas" wrote: > > Nih kalau kau ingin tahu periwayatan yang sebenarnya : > Nabi ngirim surat pada MALIK2 Makkah; dimana dinyatakan > berhentilah mengganggu umat Islam; kalau masih mengganggu maka akan kami > BALAS; >al. Kafilah kalian bakal dicegat dan diserbu. > Orang Makkah tak menjawab malah mentertawakan surat tersebut. Dianggap lelucon. > Sampai 3X Nabi mengirim surat seperti itu; hasilnya tetap sama; maka setelah >itu terjadilah serangan pertama ke KAFILAH Makkah yang > menuju Syam. > Sehingga timbullah kemarahan Penguasa Makkah dan mengirim 1000 > tentara; yang dilawan dengan hanya 300 orang Islam tanpa persenjataan > lengkap. >Hasilnya orang Quraisy dapat dikalahkan. > > Aapakah yang begitu anda sebut perampokan ? > Adakah perampok mengumumkan bahwa malam ini saya mau rampok rumahmu dan TV mu >akan saya ambil !??? > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > Kalo nabi lu nyerang orang yg lagi ngangon ternak tanpa pemberitahuan lebih >dulu > > > itu namanya perang atau ngerampok? > > > > Bukhari Volume 3, Book 46, Number 717: > > Narrated Ibn Aun: > > >I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the > > >Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they > > > >were > > > >heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. >Their > > > >fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as > > >captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn >'Umar > > > >had told him the above narration and that Ibn 'Umar was in that > > >army. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Abbas > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 9:27:05 AM > > Subject: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria > > > > > > Perang dengan ngerampok berbeda; Tem ! > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > > > Hehehe apa nabi lu itu bukannya kerjanya ngerampok dan ngebunuh non >Islam? > > > > > > Kalo ga gitu, emangnya nabi lu itu ngemis2 buat bisa punya bini sampe >belasan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Abbas > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 9:02:14 AM > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria > > > > > > > > > Fitnah ! > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > > > > > Yg beginian udah kerjaan sehari2 orang Islam. krn emang beginilah >kerjaan > > > > > nabinya, ngerampok dan ngebunuh non Islam, tentunya waktu si nabi > > > > punya > > > > kekuatan militer. > > > > > > > > Islam itu emang agama yg benar unt para bajingan keparat, bukan? > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=9954 > > > > > > > > 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in NigeriaApril 12, 2011 > > > > Armed with machetes and guns, 1,000 militants attacked the village of >Bar > > > > >Arewa > > > > > > > > in the northern Nigerian state of Bauchi on April 7. “Almost every > > > > home >in > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > > village was destroyed, and some elderly people were reported to have >been > > > > >burnt > > > > > > > > to death in their homes,” according to Christian Solidarity Worldwide. > > > > > > > > The group is part of a larger band of 2,000 militants that has been >attacking > > > > > > > > non-Muslim villages. > > > > > > > > 15% of the nation’s 146.5 million people are Catholic, according to >Vatican > > > > > > > statistics. 50% are Muslim, 25% are Protestant, and 10% retain >indigenous > > > > > beliefs. > > > > > > > > Source(s): these links will take you to other sites, in a new window. > > > > * Election violence in Nigeria before and on polling day > > > > (Christian > > >Solidarity > > > > > > > > > > > Worldwide) > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message
Re: [proletar] Re: Jane Senator AS juga morno ning Genduk dan Item diem wae
Kalo ada kardinal kayak gitu sih udah pasti dia akan masuk neraka, cuma masalahnya apa ada kardinal kayak gitu? Yg ada kan cuma ocehan lu mlulu. Sebaliknya, orang Islam itu berusaha masuk sorga spy bisa nyodok bocah lanang dan jg disodok bocah lanang. Tuh, bocah lanang buat ngeservis slu kalo masuk sorga. 52:24. Dan berkeliling di sekitar mereka anak-anak muda untuk (melayani) mereka, seakan-akan mereka itu mutiara yang tersimpan. Makanya, cepat2 aja lu mati sahid dgn mati mencret misalnya. From: Tawangalun To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 10:29:58 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Jane Senator AS juga morno ning Genduk dan Item diem wae Kardinal masuk surga dg giat nyodok bottom bocah lanang,lalu kamu niru. Tawangalun. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > Heheheh tentunya buat lu, orang Islam yg doyan anak ingusan kayak nabi lu > atau si Syekh Puji itu bukan bajingan pedophile, tp orang Islam yg soleh. > > Makanya betul kan Islam itu adalah agama yg benar unt bajingan pedophile. > > Salah satu beda orang Kristen dgn orang Islam itu adalah orang Kristen > berusaha > > masuk sorga antara lain dgn nolong dan ngampuni orang, orang Islam berusaha > masuk sorga dgn nganiaya dan ngebantai orang. Malahan kalo orang Islam mampus > sewaktu lagi berusaha ngebantai orang, dia akan langsung masuk sorga dpt > kontol > > ngaceng abadi buat ngentot abadi dgn perawan abadi dan jg buat saling sodomi > abadi dgn cowok ghilman. > > > > > > > From: ndeboost > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 6:09:49 AM > Subject: [proletar] Re: Jane Senator AS juga morno ning Genduk dan Item diem >wae > > > Wheleh, batasan pedofil itu kan nurut imajinasi @dapurmu (dkk) dari > manusia yg kesehariannya "mainan" semprong peniup bara dapur? > Ya maklum sajalah. Mampunya persis beo, mengulang-ulang keahliannya yg > menurutnya sudah hebat. Ga mau tahu dia yg Yesus anak manusia yg > kakinya sekali diusap rambut perempuan lalu salting (salah tingkah), > menghardik para murid? Eh, langsung, KATEBE, ngampuni dosa si perempuan > (pendosa). > Luk 7:45-47 (45) Engkau tidak mencium Aku, tetapi sejak Aku masuk ia > tiada henti-hentinya mencium kaki-Ku. (46) Engkau tidak meminyaki > kepala-Ku dengan minyak, tetapi dia meminyaki kaki-Ku dengan minyak > wangi. (47) Sebab itu Aku berkata kepadamu: Dosanya yang banyak itu > telah diampuni, sebab ia telah banyak berbuat kasih. Tetapi orang yang > sedikit diampuni, sedikit juga ia berbuat kasih." > > Baru kakinya dicium, sanjungannya "sudah banyak berbuat baik..." lalu > mengampuni dosa. > Kwekekekek "Seperti bujang jolong berkeris" > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > Kenapa lu kebakaran jenggot kalo soal pedophilia yg dihalalin Islam > itu gua > > omongin? Lu ini kan ngedukung sepenuhnya kalo orang Islam ngembat anak > ingusan. > > > > > > Apa krn lu ini impoten, maka lu cuma bisa orgasme dgn ngefitnah orang > kayak si > > ayub_yahya dan hasan basri? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Tawangalun tawangalun@ > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 8:56:02 PM > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Jane Senator AS juga morno ning Genduk dan > Item diem wae > > > > > > kamu ngembat juga rapopo kok ,variasi dong jangan gur babu yg diembat. > > Sekali sekali niru Kardinal itu,nanti kan Pausnya bisa minta maaf. > > Yesus bisa nebus,ayo tunggu opo? > > > > Tawangalun. > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: > > > > > > Orang Islam ga ada larangan pedophilia, jadi gpp kalo orang Islam > ngembat anak > > > > > ingusan, hehehe > > > > > > Islam itu memang agama yg benar unt bajingan pedophile. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Tawangalun tawangalun@ > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 4:32:01 PM > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Jane Senator AS juga morno ning Genduk dan > Item diem > > >wae > > > > > > > > > Wong Islam terkena larangan porno tapi tidak ada jaminan bahwa wong > Islam gak > > > akan nglanggar larangan tsb. > > > Wong Kristen terkena larangan nyodomi lanang ning tidak ada jaminan > bahwa > > > Kardinal pasti tdk melakukannya. > > > Mahasiswa Amerika terkena larangan nembaki koncone dikampus,ning > tidak ada > > > jaminan bahwa mahasiswa AS pasti tidak royal tembakan. > > > Ning saya justru trimakasih kpd wong sekular begitu PKS nonton porno > kok kalian > > > > > > menyalak,berarti kalian anggap PKS itu kamu samakan dg wong suci gak > mungkin > > > nglakukan dosa.Nek saya kok biasa wae PKS itu ya uwong suatu saat > bisa dosa.Nek > > > > > > malaikat baru gak mungkin salah. > > > > > > Shalom, > > > Tawangalun. > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "muskitawati" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tawangalun" wrote: > > > > > Ning saya amati y
[proletar] Re: dah saya betul2 cabut
tawang, ente ngga perlu cabut dari sini sebab mereka si kuplik dan si item culun bakalan teriak teriak senang sekaligus bangga lantaran merasa menang gue lebih rela berteman sama elu dari pada manusia dajal seperti mereka wang para atheist bloon cmon wang, jangan minggat --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" wrote: > > Niat saya exit akirnya kulaksanakan juga sebab yg kudapat disini : > > 1.Saya njur pinter misuh ketularan Yusfiq sama Item yg congornya memang > trocoh. > 2.Dulu sudah kutuliskan bahwa FURQAN memang melarang saya bersama wong Kafir > yg clometan ttg FURQAN sementara kamu duduk2 disebelahnya. > > Tapi di Zamanku saya masih seneng nulis disana ada moderator jadi rada punya > aturan. > > Shalom, > Tawangalun. > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Ayuh, siapa yang mau ikut jogging?
Anda tahu anda sudah gila, Hasan Basri. Pergilah berobat. Terus menerus unjuk isi otak anda yang sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan sungguh sia-sia saja. Hanya psikiater yang bisa menolong anda. Pergilah berobat. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Habe" wrote: > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq" wrote: > > > > > > Saya sudah menyampaikan hasil penelitian ilmiah yang menunjukkan manfaat > > jogging itu.. > > > > jogging sih boleh aja, tapi balikin dulu sepatu adidas si abbas > yang barusan elu copet fik > > dasar welfare abuser lu emang > > > > > > Untuk Indonesia modalnya juga nggak terlalu banyak kok, sepatu jogging yang > > memang kudu bagus (ya memang relatif mahal, tapi belinya juga paling-paling > > setahun sekali) biar kaki nggak lecet, t-shirt dan bermuda short > > > > Yang susah itu hari-hari pertama tapi lama-lama sungguh asyik kok. > > > > Dan nasehat dokter keluarga saya: kalau sudah jadi rutin dan mau > > memperpanjang jarak jangan lebih dari 10% tiap minggu. > > > > Pagi ini saya jogging 108 menit 59 detik untuk jarak 11 kilometer (menurut > > GPS). > > > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi kewarganegaraan
tentu saja saya menuruti peraturan, kalau tidak mau menuruti peraturan ya lebih baik tinggalkan darah itu atau bicarakan dengan pemerintah. untuk apa hidup melanggar peraturan? anda lebih baik baca tulisan saya kembali, bahwa saya apabila tidak setuju maka ada yang akan saya lakukan. orang kristen lainnya pun sepertinya akan sama pikirannya dengan saya yaitu mengikuti aturan pemerintah, bukan melanggar aturan pemerintah. mau debat kusir apa lagi? 2011/4/13 item abu > > > Dasar tolol, gua ga bilang bhw kalo ga setuju itu hrs jadi anarkis. > > Tp akhirnya lu ini setuju kalo orang Kristen ga boleh nunjukin salib di > muka > umum di Saudi krn itu aturannya. Tentunya lu setuju jg anak ingusan berumur > 13 > thn boleh diembat di saudi krn itu aturannya. > > Kebo aja, biarpun udah dicocok hidungnya kadang masih nolak diangon > seenaknya, > tp lu ini nurut aja ke tiap peraturan yg ada. > > > > From: David Silalahi > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 9:37:14 AM > > Subject: Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi > kewarganegaraan > > dogol. > > setuju atau tidak setuju ya saya harus setuju. > > dalam perbuatan, saya harus setuju. > kalau dalam pikiran masih tidak setuju, maka saya harus menggunakan cara > yang benar untuk menyatakan tidak setuju yaitu melalui dialog dengan > pemerintah, bukan dengan cara melakukan kekerasan ataupun pelanggaran. > > biar bagaimanapun apapun yang diputuskan pemerintah saya harus menaatinya > dan setuju. masalah tidak sepakat atas dasar pemikirannya itu adalah > masalah > lain dan bisa dibicarakan melalui jalur yang benar. > > apa anda mau bilang saya jangan ngeles lagi dan enggak ngerti kalimat saya > di atas? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: diem-diem uplik percaya hadis
Omongan lu itu udah nunjukin nabi lu pendendam dan ga segan2 ngerampok dan ngebunuh unt balas dendam, buat apa lu muter2 lidah lagi. Hehehe... sebetulnya yg bikin gara2 itu adalah nabi Islam itu yg ngehina orang Mekah dan agama mereka, jadi ga heran aja kalo si nabi itu ditendang dr Mekah. Coba kalo kejadiannya terbalik, ada non Islam yg ngehina Islam di tengah orang Islam, orang itu pasti dibantai. Jadi, orang Mekah itu masih jauh lebih baik dr orang Islam. Dgn mereka jadi Islam, maka jadi bejad deh orang2 arab itu. From: Tawangalun To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 10:26:45 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: diem-diem uplik percaya hadis Islam justru dianjurkan kalau ngibadah didaerahnya sudah gak bebas lagi disuruh nyari tempat lain sing aman.Tur Hijrahpun jam D nya nunggu komando Allah dulu padahal Abu Bakar yg nemenin sudah selak ngebet pergi.Yo wajar kamu wong Kafir pasti ngewangi wong Kafir Makah,akirnya Kafir bisa dikalahkan Nabi seluruh Jazirah Arab takluk padahal Islam itu tadinya gur 1 kok bisa menang.Yesus tadinya juga gur 1 ning kalah dicantelkan dikayu padahal mukjizatnya seabrek.Dah nilailah sendiri sing hebat sopo? Tawangalun. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > Dr ocehan si tawangalun ini sendiri yg tentunya pro si nabi keparatnya itu, > kliatan si nabi ini pengecut sampe kabur mencawat ekor ke Medinah, lalu si > nabi > > ini pendendam dan ga segan2 buat melakukan kejahatan ngerampok buat balas > dendam. > > Dgn sendirinya orang Islam jg setali tiga uang dgn nabinya. > > Ini baru pengakuan orang Islam sendiri yg tentunya udah banyak bumbunya, > kenyataannya jauh lebih bejad lagi. > > > > > > > From: Tawangalun > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 7:11:35 AM > Subject: [proletar] Re: diem-diem uplik percaya hadis > > > Tadinya Nabi saya itu sudah diburu mau dipateni oleh wong Makah yg >mayority,Nabi > > saya minoritas.Berhubung kejepit rumah dll ditinggal di Makah lalu Hijrah ke > Madinah sebagian ada yg ke Habsyi.La itu kan wong Makah yg duluan menzalimi > Nabi,opo ya pipi kanan nabi suruh ngasihkan? > Islam gak gitu ,ketika di Madinah caravan Makah yg kalau pulang dari Syam itu > dibalas oleh nabi dg merampas idep2 untuk ganti rumah yg ditinggal di > Makah.Gundul kamu aja yg bodoh ngarani nabi yg ngrampok.Gak gelem mencari > akarnya itu opo.Makane penduduk Palestina ini kudune niru sunah Nabi hijrah > kenegeri tetangganya,sebab rakyat Palestina itu keadaannya worse than Nabi >waktu > > di Makah. > > Tawangalun. > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq" wrote: > > > > Otak babi. > > > > Otak binatang. > > > > Buat orang Islam menghadang kafilah Quraish di Naklah, seperti disuruhkan >oleh > > >nabi anjing Muhammad keapda sahabatnya, lalu merampas harta orang Quraish > >itu > >misalnya bukan merampok, tapi jihad dijalan Allah.. > > > > Dan nabi anjing itu dapat bagian seperlima hasil rampokan itu. > > > > Buat orang beradab itu namanya manyamun dan merampok. > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" wrote: > > > > > > Kok beda Fiq yang dipercayai wong Islam Nabi itu bukan rampok ning > > > Rahmatan > > >lil ngalamin,bergelar Al Amin.Dan beliau bilang:Aku tdk diutus kecuali untuk > >ndandani akhlak manusia.Sedang yg kamu percayai nabi itu rampok. > > > Belum ada rampok yg berhasil digugu oleh 1.5 M pengikut. > > > Bahkan Lady Di saja hampir Islam ,sayang keburu dipateni,yo jelas yg > > > mateni > > >yg gak seneng sama Islam. > > > > > > Shalom, > > > Tawangalun. > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq" wrote: > > > > > > > > Otak babi. > > > > > > > > Otak binatang. > > > > > > > > Goblok. > > > > > > > > Tolol. > > > > > > > > Dungu. > > > > > > > > Pandir. > > > > > > > > Sedeng. > > > > > > > > Saya bicara tentng riwayat nabi Muhammad sebagaimana tertulis di sumber > >Islam dan dipercayai oleh orang Islam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ajeg" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, yang penting situ setuju.. > > > > > > > > > > --- "Jusfiq" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Bangat penipu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bajingan tukang fitnah. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nggak ada saya bilang saya percaya dengan hadits itu. > > > > > > . > > > > > > Yang saua bilang, adalah:"...hadits Bukhari itu dinyatakan hadits > > > > > > sahih oleh orang Islam" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "ajeg" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketauan... diem-diem uplik percaya hadits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "Jusfiq" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Untuk kesekian kalinya rezameutia unjuk pengetahuannnya yang > > > > > > > > dangkal kayak comberan di musim kemarau di Jakarta... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dia nggak tahu bahwa hadits Bukahri itu dinyatakan hadits sahih > > > > > > > > oleh orang Islam. > > >
[proletar] Re: Ayuh, siapa yang mau ikut jogging?
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq" wrote: > > > Saya sudah menyampaikan hasil penelitian ilmiah yang menunjukkan manfaat > jogging itu.. > jogging sih boleh aja, tapi balikin dulu sepatu adidas si abbas yang barusan elu copet fik dasar welfare abuser lu emang > Untuk Indonesia modalnya juga nggak terlalu banyak kok, sepatu jogging yang > memang kudu bagus (ya memang relatif mahal, tapi belinya juga paling-paling > setahun sekali) biar kaki nggak lecet, t-shirt dan bermuda short > > Yang susah itu hari-hari pertama tapi lama-lama sungguh asyik kok. > > Dan nasehat dokter keluarga saya: kalau sudah jadi rutin dan mau > memperpanjang jarak jangan lebih dari 10% tiap minggu. > > Pagi ini saya jogging 108 menit 59 detik untuk jarak 11 kilometer (menurut > GPS). > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria
Hehehe... itu bani Mustaliq, bukan orang Mekah. Drmana tuh lu dpt kibulan? Nabi lu itu yg kerjanya ngerampok orang Mekah, udah berkali2 gagal sampe baru berhasil di Naklakh. Selama itu, orang Mekah ga ngurusin lagi nabi bejad lu yg ada di Medinah, tp nabi lu itu yg terus ngeganggu orang Mekah. Lu tau kejadian di Naklakh? From: Abbas To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 10:22:33 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria Nih kalau kau ingin tahu periwayatan yang sebenarnya : Nabi ngirim surat pada MALIK2 Makkah; dimana dinyatakan berhentilah mengganggu umat Islam; kalau masih mengganggu maka akan kami BALAS; al. Kafilah kalian bakal dicegat dan diserbu. Orang Makkah tak menjawab malah mentertawakan surat tersebut. Dianggap lelucon. Sampai 3X Nabi mengirim surat seperti itu; hasilnya tetap sama; maka setelah itu terjadilah serangan pertama ke KAFILAH Makkah yang menuju Syam. Sehingga timbullah kemarahan Penguasa Makkah dan mengirim 1000 tentara; yang dilawan dengan hanya 300 orang Islam tanpa persenjataan lengkap. Hasilnya orang Quraisy dapat dikalahkan. Aapakah yang begitu anda sebut perampokan ? Adakah perampok mengumumkan bahwa malam ini saya mau rampok rumahmu dan TV mu akan saya ambil !??? --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > Kalo nabi lu nyerang orang yg lagi ngangon ternak tanpa pemberitahuan lebih >dulu > > itu namanya perang atau ngerampok? > > Bukhari Volume 3, Book 46, Number 717: > Narrated Ibn Aun: > >I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the > >Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they >were > > >heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. >Their > > >fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as > >captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn >'Umar > > >had told him the above narration and that Ibn 'Umar was in that army. > > > > > > > > From: Abbas > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 9:27:05 AM > Subject: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria > > > Perang dengan ngerampok berbeda; Tem ! > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > Hehehe apa nabi lu itu bukannya kerjanya ngerampok dan ngebunuh non >Islam? > > > > Kalo ga gitu, emangnya nabi lu itu ngemis2 buat bisa punya bini sampe >belasan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Abbas > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 9:02:14 AM > > Subject: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria > > > > > > Fitnah ! > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > > > Yg beginian udah kerjaan sehari2 orang Islam. krn emang beginilah > > > kerjaan > > > nabinya, ngerampok dan ngebunuh non Islam, tentunya waktu si nabi punya > > > kekuatan militer. > > > > > > Islam itu emang agama yg benar unt para bajingan keparat, bukan? > > > > > > > > > http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=9954 > > > > > > 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in NigeriaApril 12, 2011 > > > Armed with machetes and guns, 1,000 militants attacked the village of > > > Bar > > >Arewa > > > > > > in the northern Nigerian state of Bauchi on April 7. “Almost every home > > > in > > >the > > > > > > > > village was destroyed, and some elderly people were reported to have > > > been > > >burnt > > > > > > to death in their homes,” according to Christian Solidarity Worldwide. > > > > > > The group is part of a larger band of 2,000 militants that has been >attacking > > > > > > non-Muslim villages. > > > > > > 15% of the nation’s 146.5 million people are Catholic, according to >Vatican > > > > > statistics. 50% are Muslim, 25% are Protestant, and 10% retain > > > indigenous > > > beliefs. > > > > > > Source(s): these links will take you to other sites, in a new window. > > > * Election violence in Nigeria before and on polling day (Christian > >Solidarity > > > > > > > > Worldwide) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/g
[proletar] Ayuh, siapa yang mau ikut jogging?
Saya sudah menyampaikan hasil penelitian ilmiah yang menunjukkan manfaat jogging itu.. Untuk Indonesia modalnya juga nggak terlalu banyak kok, sepatu jogging yang memang kudu bagus (ya memang relatif mahal, tapi belinya juga paling-paling setahun sekali) biar kaki nggak lecet, t-shirt dan bermuda short Yang susah itu hari-hari pertama tapi lama-lama sungguh asyik kok. Dan nasehat dokter keluarga saya: kalau sudah jadi rutin dan mau memperpanjang jarak jangan lebih dari 10% tiap minggu. Pagi ini saya jogging 108 menit 59 detik untuk jarak 11 kilometer (menurut GPS). Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria
Dasar tolol, itu hadis Bukhari. Ali Sina itu masih lebih pinter dr lu, krn dia bisa nyari hadis dr website Islam, sedangkan lu cuma bisa manggut ke tukang ceramah lu atau ke tukang ngibul kayak Irene Handono. From: Tawangalun To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 10:17:29 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria Saya kalau hadis yg dirawikan Ali Sina maaf gak bisa coment.Jadi person yg dilewati hadis juga amat menentukan kesahihan.Tur yang bersangkutan gak tahu apa2 soal azbabul Urus,nek FURQAN namanya azbabul nuzul. Tawangalun. Tawangalun. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > Kalo nabi lu nyerang orang yg lagi ngangon ternak tanpa pemberitahuan lebih >dulu > > itu namanya perang atau ngerampok? > > Bukhari Volume 3, Book 46, Number 717: > Narrated Ibn Aun: > >I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the > >Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they >were > > >heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. >Their > > >fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as > >captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn >'Umar > > >had told him the above narration and that Ibn 'Umar was in that army. > > > > > > > > From: Abbas > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 9:27:05 AM > Subject: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria > > > Perang dengan ngerampok berbeda; Tem ! > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > Hehehe apa nabi lu itu bukannya kerjanya ngerampok dan ngebunuh non >Islam? > > > > Kalo ga gitu, emangnya nabi lu itu ngemis2 buat bisa punya bini sampe >belasan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Abbas > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 9:02:14 AM > > Subject: [proletar] Re: 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in Nigeria > > > > > > Fitnah ! > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > > > Yg beginian udah kerjaan sehari2 orang Islam. krn emang beginilah > > > kerjaan > > > nabinya, ngerampok dan ngebunuh non Islam, tentunya waktu si nabi punya > > > kekuatan militer. > > > > > > Islam itu emang agama yg benar unt para bajingan keparat, bukan? > > > > > > > > > http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=9954 > > > > > > 1,000 attack non-Muslim village in NigeriaApril 12, 2011 > > > Armed with machetes and guns, 1,000 militants attacked the village of > > > Bar > > >Arewa > > > > > > in the northern Nigerian state of Bauchi on April 7. “Almost every home > > > in > > >the > > > > > > > > village was destroyed, and some elderly people were reported to have > > > been > > >burnt > > > > > > to death in their homes,” according to Christian Solidarity Worldwide. > > > > > > The group is part of a larger band of 2,000 militants that has been >attacking > > > > > > non-Muslim villages. > > > > > > 15% of the nation’s 146.5 million people are Catholic, according to >Vatican > > > > > statistics. 50% are Muslim, 25% are Protestant, and 10% retain > > > indigenous > > > beliefs. > > > > > > Source(s): these links will take you to other sites, in a new window. > > > * Election violence in Nigeria before and on polling day (Christian > >Solidarity > > > > > > > > Worldwide) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: mr. holland's opus
jika film ini gw pilih buat mewakili musik dan edukasi, karena -rasanya- terlalu banyak quotes yg patut disimak. setidaknya selain adegan si guru dgn murid yg benci klarinet (kelak dia akan kembali ke sekolah sbg gubernur dan memberikan testimoni saat pelepasan sang guru yg harus dipecat krn kebijakan mata kuliah dan ekskul musik dihapus demi anggaran terbatas), maka bisa ada adegan lainnya yg relevan dan berkesan : si guru bercerita tentang beethoven dan symphony ke tujuh. bahwa sang komposer itu tuli namun sanggup menciptakan symphony termasuk memimpin (conducted) orkestra, adalah di luar nalar. saat ia "mendengar" not, sebetulnya ia "merasakan" getaran lewat tuts piano yg telah dipotong kakinya. sehingga badan piano rebah ke lantai, maka beethoven menempelkan kupingnya di lantai lantas ketukan tuts yg bergetar di lantai itulah yg "dibaca" sbg nada. begitupun saat memimpin ensamble yg otomatis hening padahal riuh, beethoven menajamkan "telinga batinnya" melalui orchestra fiktif yg hanya bermain dan berbunyi di batok kepalanya, termasuk bisa mengkoreksi nada sumbang ato ketukan salah yg terjadi nyata. ironisnya kisah ini sengaja ia pilih, ketika baru mendapatkan bahwa anak kandungnya yg baru lahir ternyata tuli total. maka saat satu murid bertanya, jika beethoven memang tuli namun sudah bisa membedakan nada dan bunyi not, how come? si guru hanya menjawab lirih .. beethoven gak terlahir tuli, ia sudah pernah dengar not. musik semestinya bukan hanya soal bunyi, selera, ato mata kuliah dan ekstra kurikuler. musik adalah manusia dan hidup itu sendiri. betapa si guru berteriak putus asa pada rapat dewan, musik harus dihapus dgn mata pelajaran eksak lainnya demi masalah anggaran. padahal gak lagi dipungkiri, di saat pesta kejutan utk pelepasan sang guru, semua alumni termasuk guru telah menjadi saksinya. termasuk pahitnya pengalaman hakiki sbg guru yg harus mendidik dan "mendidik" musik, namun ia sempat merasa gagal karena gak bisa "mengajarkan" musik kepada anak kandungnya sendiri. iapun merasa perlu meminjam john lennon untuk berkomunikasi .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg_I-089PA --- "ajeg" wrote: > > > Itulah. Orang sering lupa gunanya belajar. > Sekolahan / lembaga pendidikan yang harusnya jadi > instrumen belajar massal diperlakukan sebagai > shopping-malls of the mind. Dengan alasan demokratis > orang dibolehkan bercita-cita jadi apa dan > silakan pilih fak-fak (jangan ketawa beh) yang > diperlukan untuk cita-cita tsb. Orang nggak peduli > lagi yang namanya proses. Kacaunya lagi, lupa bahwa > belajar itu aslinya ya untuk melakoni hidup, bukan > untuk sekedar duduk-duduk di suatu jabatan / profesi. > > Nggak kebayang kalau hidup ini tanpa musik. Tapi > memang ada banyak cara untuk mengenal hidup. Di film > Good Will Hunting pelajaran hidup digelar lewat > matematika. Siapa yang paling jago matematika di sana? > Murid SMA? Bukan. Tapi pesuruh sekolah yang masih > sepantaran murid-murid kaya itu. > > Pelajaran hidup malah juga bisa didapat dari orang buta. > Pada nggak percaya? Nonton aja Scent of a Woman :) > > Tapi, musik memang paling sip. Terdiri dari bunyi-bunyi > yang terangkai jadi kesatuan harmoni. Ujung-pangkalnya > nyatu. Bulat. > > Udah pastilah nggak bisa dibandingin sama si uplik yang > rame dalam rangkaian-rangkaian amat panjang tapi samasekali > tak berbunyi, hehe... > > > --- "liver_duke" wrote: > > > salah satu film yg wajib dicari, dan ditonton tentu. > > terdapat adegan yg meminjam nada miliknya acker bilk, > > untuk satu siswa yg kelak menyenangi klarinet serta lulus > > dan menjadi gubernur saat kembali ke pesta reuni. pesta > > sebenarnya yg ditujukan spesial buat mantan gurunya tsb. > > bukan guru matematik, guru eksak, guru politik, ato guru > > yg menjanjikan profesi berikut cara sukses dapetin duit. > > > > tapi guru yg mengajarkan makna hidup serta melakoninya. > > guru musik .. termasuk anaknya yg tuna rungu > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL9k2pTFYrE > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi kewarganegaraan
Dasar tolol, gua ga bilang bhw kalo ga setuju itu hrs jadi anarkis. Tp akhirnya lu ini setuju kalo orang Kristen ga boleh nunjukin salib di muka umum di Saudi krn itu aturannya. Tentunya lu setuju jg anak ingusan berumur 13 thn boleh diembat di saudi krn itu aturannya. Kebo aja, biarpun udah dicocok hidungnya kadang masih nolak diangon seenaknya, tp lu ini nurut aja ke tiap peraturan yg ada. From: David Silalahi To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 9:37:14 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi kewarganegaraan dogol. setuju atau tidak setuju ya saya harus setuju. dalam perbuatan, saya harus setuju. kalau dalam pikiran masih tidak setuju, maka saya harus menggunakan cara yang benar untuk menyatakan tidak setuju yaitu melalui dialog dengan pemerintah, bukan dengan cara melakukan kekerasan ataupun pelanggaran. biar bagaimanapun apapun yang diputuskan pemerintah saya harus menaatinya dan setuju. masalah tidak sepakat atas dasar pemikirannya itu adalah masalah lain dan bisa dibicarakan melalui jalur yang benar. apa anda mau bilang saya jangan ngeles lagi dan enggak ngerti kalimat saya di atas? 2011/4/13 item abu > > > Ngeles lagi. > > Yg gua tanya itu lu setuju apa kagak, bukannya lu mau ikut peraturan apa > kagak. > Apa lu setuju dgn peraturan itu atau kagak? > > Taat dgn peraturan dan setuju dgn peraturan itu 2 hal yg berbeda. > > > > From: David Silalahi > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 9:07:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [proletar] ruang publik - Re: Pemakai burka tak diberi > kewarganegaraan > > peraturan harus di taati. > > 2011/4/12 item abu > > > > > > > Ngeles lagi. > > > > Jawab aja pertanyaan gua ini, kalo kebijaksanaan masyarakat dan aturan > > setempat > > ngelarang orang buat nunjukin salib di tempat umum, apa lu setuju? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: dah saya betul2 cabut (Tawang lari kainga-kaing kayak anjing
Tawang akhirnya lari kaing-kaing kayak anjing budug kena pentung, nggak tahan melihat kenyataan pahit lagi menyilaukan yang ditunjukkan orang kafir disini: ajaran agama taik anjing Islam yang dianutnya itu ternyata hanya berdasarkan omong kosong orang Arab primitif.. Jangan lupa Tawang, nanti buat mengikuti contoh Wawan: Injak-injaklah buku taik anjing al-Mushaf yang hingga sekarang masih anda jadikan kitab suci itu dihadapan keluarga anda. Lebih bagus lagi bila anda ajak mereka meludahi tu buku taik anjing beramai-ramai. Lantas mengencinginnya bersama-sama. Lalu bareng memberakinya. Kemudian membuang buku taik anjing berisi suruhan buas, kejam, keji, zalim lagi biadab itu ke Laut Jawa atau ke kawah gunung Merapi. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" wrote: > > Niat saya exit akirnya kulaksanakan juga sebab yg kudapat disini : > > 1.Saya njur pinter misuh ketularan Yusfiq sama Item yg congornya memang > trocoh. > 2.Dulu sudah kutuliskan bahwa FURQAN memang melarang saya bersama wong Kafir > yg clometan ttg FURQAN sementara kamu duduk2 disebelahnya. > > Tapi di Zamanku saya masih seneng nulis disana ada moderator jadi rada punya > aturan. > > Shalom, > Tawangalun. > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] musik for jusplik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KgvQTxXtEU tuh fik ada nada nada jazznya juga Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: dah saya betul2 cabut
Kamu itu emang dasarnya bego Tawang tp ngakunya aja sarjana kimia, naik lincoln, pernah di Afrika Selatan :) Orang pinter punya moral guidance, contohnya uda Jusfiq. Tawang bego & tidak punya moral guidance. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" wrote: > > Niat saya exit akirnya kulaksanakan juga sebab yg kudapat disini : > > 1.Saya njur pinter misuh ketularan Yusfiq sama Item yg congornya memang > trocoh. > 2.Dulu sudah kutuliskan bahwa FURQAN memang melarang saya bersama wong Kafir > yg clometan ttg FURQAN sementara kamu duduk2 disebelahnya. > > Tapi di Zamanku saya masih seneng nulis disana ada moderator jadi rada punya > aturan. > > Shalom, > Tawangalun. > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Uplik Sungkem ke Abbas 101
Anda sudah tahu anda itu gila, Hasan Basri. Nah sekarang pergilan berobat ke psikiater. Terus menerus unjuk isi otak anda yang sudah busuk nista lagi menjijikkan di mailing list ini sungguh tidak ada gunanya. Hanya psikiater yang bisa menolong anda. Pergilah berobat. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Habe" wrote: > > Uplik : Abbas,setelah mempelajari tegoran Habe saya baru sadar bahwa saya > selama ini salah dan sekarang saatnya saya minta maaf pada anda bas > > Abbas : O ya ga apa apa maafnya saya terima, semua orang bisa khilaf kok > fik, semoga Allah memberkahi uplik > > Uplik : Berjabatan tangan saja tidak cukup bas, biarkan saya sungkem jongok > di bawah kamu bas > > Abbas : o ngga perlulah fik, ritual itu ngga perlu diikuti, sudah saya > maafkan kok fik, beneran... > > Uplik: Please abbas, saya tidak puas sebelum bisa sungkem sama kamu > sebelum semuanya terlambat bas > > Abbas : ngga perlukah.. > > Uplik : Please bas.. > > Abbas: ( mendesah pasrah ) ya okelah.. > > Uplik sungkem, tidak lama dalam hitungan menit Abbas bangun berdiri lalu > berteriak > > Abbas: Atheis haram jadah!! sepatu addidas baru gue ngilang! > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: kelakuan orang punya otak kah ? (Tawang berotak keledai..
Otak keledai.. Otak binatang.. Udah entah berapa kali saya bilang: urusan tanggal 25 Desember dan diskusi tentang Bible itu nggak ada relevansinya dengan diskusi tentang buku taik anjing al-Mushaf.. Nah sekarang turutkanlah contoh Wawan. Injak-injaklah buku taik anjing al-Mushaf yang hingga sekarang masih anda jadikan kitab suci itu dihadapan keluarga anda. Lebih bagus lagi bila anda ajak mereka meludahi tu buku taik anjing beramai-ramai. Lantas mengencinginnya bersama-sama. Lalu bareng memberakinya. Kemudian membuang buku taik anjing berisi suruhan buas, kejam, keji, zalim lagi biadab itu ke Laut Jawa atau ke kawah gunung Merapi. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" wrote: > > Grepe dan Kenyataan sudah ngakoni bahwa: > > 1.HUT yesus jane bukan 25 Desember jadi FURQAN yg bilang bulan Mei lebih > tepat soale gembala2 pada telanjang dada rapopo.Ning dibulan Desember mereka > akan kademen. > > 2.Ada Jesus seminar dari pakar2 Bijbel di Amerika ngakoni bahwa ayat2 Alkitab > yg asli Yesus gur 18%. > > Karena kedua manusia tsb gak pernah membalas berarti setuju,dan kau lihat si > Kenyataan malah sudah kabur jadi jagomu sudah keok. > > Tawangalun. > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq" wrote: > > > > > > Nah, karena "great pretender" dan "sebuah kenyataan" sudah membuktikan > > dengan telak bahwa buku taik anjing al-Mushaf yang anda jadikan kitabh suci > > itu TIDAK berisi wahyu Allah, maka sekarang turutkanlah contoh Wawan. > > > > Injak-injaklah buku taik anjing al-Mushaf yang hingga sekarang masih anda > > jadikan kitab suci itu dihadapan keluarga anda. > > > > Lebih bagus lagi bila anda ajak mereka meludahi tu buku taik anjing > > beramai-ramai. > > > > Lantas mengencinginnya bersama-sama. > > > > Lalu bareng memberakinya. > > > > Kemudian membuang buku taik anjing berisi suruhan buas, kejam, keji, zalim > > lagi biadab itu ke Laut Jawa atau ke kawah gunung Merapi. > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Abbas Amin wrote: > > > > > > katakan tahun 1998 ! Bulan April > > > Beli qur_an kemudian diikencingin. > > > Keduakalinya beli lagi kitab yang sama Juli 1998; dikencingin lagi ! > > > > > > Ketiga kalinya uang yang ada digunakan untuk beli kitab yang sama; > > > September 1998 ! Dikencingin lagi > > > > > > dan seterusnya, mungkin belasan kali uang disiasiakan. > > > > > > Lain kali diinjak injak; beberapa kali juga. > > > > > > buang2 uang hanya untuk begitu ! > > > LOGIKANYA dima > > > Utaknya dipake gak yah ?! > > > Atau ada something wrong barangkali !? > > > > > > Tapi bagus juga sih; penjaja qur_an di Eropa kan terbatas; > > > kalau banyak yang ILLOGIC seperti ini urang Arab atau Turki mungkin > > > bisa menggaruk keuntungan. > > > > > > Lain kali. aku senang juga jualaan KITAB untuk diinjak injak manusia > > > seperti ini !? > > > Kan lumayan laku. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] (unknown)
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[proletar] another music for duke dkk
pernah nonton legend of 1900 duke? man, itu film tim roth terbaik yg pernah dia bintangi musicnya man o man adegan dia main piano secara ekpresif sambil melihat seorang cewek di luar jendela adalah adegan dengan film plus music yang paling membuat mata ane basah, laksana bocah kurang jajan playing love, this is a masterpiece http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgXW6XDnhXA film ini wajib ditonton oleh orang yang menyukai movie dan musik yang berbobot Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: u can count on me ..
--- "ajeg" wrote: > > > --- "liver_duke" wrote: > > > sekaligus jadi terkenang lagi dgn nama lama vollenweider, > > kebetulan punya juga cd album kompilasi "magic harp" tsb. > > sementara album favoritku sejak era kaset yess, "caverna magica". > > Caverna itu collectors item. Wajib punya hukumnya. Kalo > Dancing W/ the Lion itu lagi kesengsem lagi aja (garagara > ada kejadian seru di tol Purbaleunyi ;) gerangan apakah yg pernah seru ama lion di purbaleunyi itu .. sekitar 3 minggu lalu barusan melintas tol itu lg buat kongkow di bdg (termasuk ke cibadak n "rumah mode"), kali ini ditemani neal morse pake album solo "one". cuma satu cd aja bolak balik, toh pulangnya bakal bawa oleh2 dari kolega mantan cihapit's mob yakni hendrix sang juragan "kaset antik". dapet album oxygen-nya jare, pictures at exhibition versi elp, dan belasan lainnya. bandung gak ada yg berubah. walaupun gak pernah lagi mampir ke perkebunan mojang "tangkil's garden", pasti tetep aja eksist ;o) > > mungkin lantaran teringat pada nuansa kolektif nan sejaman > > seperti album soil festivities-nya vangelis maupun proyek > > keroyokan para ahli bawah tanah sebangsa "ummagumma" ;o) > > > > (volume > 50% sering bikin kagok klo pas brenti di lampu merah) > > Kan buat ngelaju di tol.. > > Kemarin cuma ngingetin aja kalo mau jajal dulu sample yang > di youtube jangan < 50% dan pake dr. dre - ini bukan ngiklan > tapi soal kualitas, ehe.. > akur deh .. dan tetep aja bukan inti ceritanya pada alat (merk), tapi lebih kepada kualitas "apa yg diputer/di stel di alat itu". rasanya mangkin jarang deh mergokin mobil yg lagi berdentum pake immigrant song ato roof garden, kebanyakan lebih milih yg memang buat pamer ekstra bass sebangsa lagu geleng2 aring-king-king .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUuhCFCmdCg&feature=related Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
