[proletar] Apakah Muhammad Diciptakan Sebelum Adam? http://indonesian.alisina.org
Apakah Muhammad Diciptakan Sebelum Adam? http://indonesian.alisina.org/?p=431 Diposkan oleh Ali Sina pada tanggal 6 April 2011 Dear Mr Ali Orang Muslim percaya bahwa ada hadis-hadis yang mengatakan bahwa Muhammad diciptakan 14.000 tahun lalu, yaitu sebelum adam. Silahkan klik link ini. Mohon komentar anda… Wim Masalah dengan Hadis adalah bahwa orang-orang Muslim bisa menerima atau menyangkali otentisitas sebuah Hadis, bergantung pada arah angin. Ketika sebuah Hadis tertentu cocok dengan situasi mereka, maka mereka menganggap Hadis itu sebagai Hadis yang otentik, namun jika tidak, maka mereka akan mengatakan bahwa Hadis itu tidak otentik. Ini adalah jenis Hadis yang bisa jadi otentik. Sebenarnya Hadis ini menggambarkan karakteristik Muhammad yang sering membuat klaim-klaim yang membesarkan dirinya sendiri. Namun demikian, klaim itu sepenuhnya sebuah kebohongan. Muhammad mengatakan ia tidak tahu bahwa ia adalah seorang nabi, hingga ‘malaikat Jibril’ menendang pinggangnya, mencekik dan menjatuhkannya ke tanah. Kemudian ia diperintahkan untuk membaca dalam nama Tuhannya. Bahkan kemudian ia berpikir bahwa ia telah kerasukan roh setan. Isterinyalah (Khadijah) yang meyakinkannya bahwa yang ia lihat itu adalah seorang malaikat dan ia telah menjadi seorang nabi. Namun demikian, ketika halusinasi itu tidak terjadi lagi, pada beberapa kesempatan Muhammad mencoba untuk melakukan bunuh diri. Ia berpikir Allah telah mengabaikannya. Hal ini membuktikan bahwa Muhammad tidak punya petunjuk bahwa ia adalah seorang nabi hingga halusinasi telah terjadi, dan karena itu klaim bahwa ia telah diciptakan sebelum Adam, adalah sebuah klaim yang palsu. Lebih jauh lagi, Hadis ini berkontradiksi dengan Quran 18:110, “Katakanlah (O Nabi): Sesungguhnya aku ini manusia biasa seperti kamu…,” Ali * BAGIAN VII, BAB 5 FENOMENA ALAM (Tidak) Digunakan sebagai “TANDA” dan “bukti” Invalid dalam QURAN * Bagian VII Bab 4 PERMINTAAN bukti untuk ALLAH DALAM QURAN * Bagian VII Bab 3 DARI Mana MUHAMMAD (atau ALLAH?) meminjam kisah-kisah DI QURAN? * BAGIAN VII BAB 2 Adakah ALLAH Tuhan yang BAIK? * Bagian VII Quran dan Allah * Bagian VI Kehidupan Muslim di negara-negara Islam * Bagian V – BAB 7 Klaim Masa Keemasan dari Koeksistensi ANTARA Memimpin ISLAM dan MUSLIM DAN NON-MUSLIM * Bagian V – Bab 6 Non-Muslim di Masa Depan dalam Dunia Muslim * Bagian V – BAB 5 ISLAM dan BUDAK MENURUT QURAN * Bagian V – Bab 4 Banyak Hasutan dalam Quran untuk tidak menyukai, memandang rendah, diskriminasi dan benci non-Muslim * Bagian V – Bab 3 Jangan Berteman dengan orang-orang Kafir * Bagian V – Bab 1 Surah Baik untuk non-Muslim * Bagian V – Bab 2 Muslim Lebih Baik daripada Orang Lainnya * Bagian IV – Bab 3 Terorisme atas nama Islam dalam Quran * Bagian IV – Bab 2: Perang dan Perang Suci – jihad – dalam Quran * Bagian IV – Bab 1 Berbagai Hasutan, Tekanan dan Perintah untuk perang di Quran * Bagian III – Bab 4 Quran tentang Yesus * Bagian III – Bab 3 Tuntutan Islam untuk Bukti dari Agama Lain * Bagian III – Bab 2 Kontradiksi Quran dibandingkan dengan Alkitab – Terlalu Banyak * Bagian III – Bab 1 Alkitab menurut Quran telah Dipalsukan? * Bagian II – Bab 9 134 Pembatalan dalam Quran. Allah mencoba dan gagal? Atau berubah pikiran? * Bagian II – Bab 8 Kontradiksi Eksternal dalam Quran (Sambungan) * Bagian II – Bab 8 350+ Kontradiksi dalam Quran * Bagian II – Bab 6 Apakah Allah adalah Tuhan yang sama dengan Yahweh? * Bagian II – Bab 5 Muhammad dalam Alkitab menurut Quran? * Bagian II – Bab 4 Animisme dan Antropomorfisme dalam Quran * Bagian II – Kesimpulan * Bagian II – Sambungan 13 * Bagian II – Sambungan 12 * Bagian II – Sambungan 11 * Bagian II – Sambungan 10 * Bagian II – Sambungan 9 * Bagian II – Sambungan 8 * Bagian II – Sambungan 7 * Bagian II – Sambungan 6 * Bagian II – Sambungan 5 * Bagian II – Sambungan 4 * Bagian II – Sambungan 3 * Bagian II – Sambungan 2 * Bagian II – Beberapa Kesalahan Nyata (Sambungan) * Bagian II – Beberapa Kesalahan Nyata Quran tentang Allah * Bagian II – 5 Mega Kesalahan * Bagian II – Manusia dan Binatang – Kesalahan penciptaan, kehidupan di Bumi dan kebangkitan * Bagian II: Alam Semesta seperti yang dijelaskan dalam Quran * Bagian II: MEGA KESALAHAN QURAN * Bagian II: Kesalahan dalam Quran * 1000 Kesalahan Quran (Bab 14) * 1000 Kesalahan Quran (Bab 13) * 1000 Kesalahan Quran (Bab 12) * 1000 Kesalahan Quran (Bab 11) * 1000 Kesalahan Quran (Bab 10) * 1000 Kesalahan Quran (Bab 9) * 1000 Kesalahan Quran (Bab 8) * 1000 Kesalahan Quran (Bab 7) * 1000 Kesalahan Quran (Bab 6)
[proletar] Komisi VIII ke Australia Bawa Anak Istri
Komisi VIII bahkan tidak menjadwalkan untuk bertemu secara resmi dengan parlemen federal maupun negara bagian di Australia. KOMISI VIII Dewan Per wakilan Rakyat (DPR) asal-asalan membuat jadwal kunjungan kerja ke Australia pada 26 April-2 Mei mendatang. Akibatnya, kunjungan Komisi VIII ke Australia lebih menyerupai kunjungan wisata jika dibandingkan dengan maksud dan tujuan awalnya sebagai kunjungan kerja. Hal itu diungkapkan Persatuan Pelajar Indonesia di Australia dalam surat terbukanya kepada Ketua Komisi VIII DPR Abdul Kadir Karding, yang dimuat pada situs http://www. ppi-australia.org. Surat terbuka itu dibuat Mochamad Subhan Zein dan Dirgayuza Setiawan selaku ketua umum dan wakil ketua umum PPI Australia. Berdasarkan jadwal yang diterima PPI Australia, delegasi Komisi VIII tidak dijadwalkan untuk melihat langsung penanganan warga miskin Australia di Sydney, Canberra, dan Melbourne. Misalnya kunjungan ke rumah bersama (shared/public housing), kantor pelayanan Centerlink, dan pusat pelayanan komunitas tertinggal. Delegasi Komisi VIII juga tidak dijadwalkan untuk mengadakan diskusi dengan akademisi serta mahasiswa Indonesia di Australia, dengan topik diskusi yang relevan dengan maksud dan tujuan kunjungan kerja. Bahkan, karena jadwal kunjungan kerja Komisi VIII ke Australia bertepatan dengan masa reses Paskah Parlemen Australia serta Parlemen Negara Bagian New South Wales dan Victoria, tidak ada jadwal pertemuan dengan perumus dan pengambil kebijakan pada tingkat federal dan negara bagian di Australia pada jadwal tentatif kunjungan kerja itu. Komisi VIII yang diagendakan akan mengunjungi sekolah Malek Fadh Islamic School dan Federation of Islamic Councils juga dinilai tidak terkait dengan kerjanya dalam pembahasan RUU Penanganan Fakir Miskin. Lebih parah lagi, berdasarkan informasi yang didapatkan PPI dari Senayan, delegasi Komisi VIII itu juga membawa anak dan istri, dan menghabiskan uang negara Rp811,8 juta. Pada surat terbuka itu, PPI Australia mengusulkan agar rombongan Komisi VIII DPR mengunjungi daerah khusus Northern Territory untuk melihat secara langsung langkah pemerintah Australia dalam memberikan pelayanan kesehatan, pendidikan, perumahan, dan keamanan untuk 15 komunitas paling miskin dan termarginalkan di Australia. Termasuk mengunjungi kantor-kantor pelayanan Centerlink, shared community housing, dan inisiatif lain pemerintah Australia untuk warga miskin di Sydney dan Melbourne untuk melihat sendiri bagaimana pelayanan untuk unlucky Australians dilakukan di kota-kota besar. Komisi VIII juga disarankan mengadakan diskusi dengan Australian permanent residency yang menerima bantuan secara reguler dari Centerlink/ pemerintah Australia untuk melanjutkan hidup karena pemutusan hubungan kerja, cacat fi sik, dan alasan lainnya. Tidak optimal Anggota Komisi VIII dari Fraksi PKS Iskan Qolba Lubis tidak memungkiri bahwa saat ini masih ada anggota dewan yang mengajak anggota keluarganya saat melakukan kunjungan kerja ke luar negeri. "Memang sebetulnya jangan ikut. Tidak merugikan negara karena bayar sendiri. Tetapi ini membuat kerja tidak optimal," ujarnya. Iskan sendiri tidak ikut ke Australia. Wakil Ketua Komisi VIII Gondo Radityo Gambiro tidak bersedia memberikan penjelasan. "Jangan ditanyakan ke saya." (*/P-5) http://anax1a.pressmart.net/mediaindonesia/MI/MI/2011/04/26/ArticleHtmls/26_04_2011_002_018.shtml?Mode=0Berbagi berita untuk semua [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] The David Headley Confessions: Part-II
he following is a first-hand representation of what David Coleman Headley, a Pakistani-American terrorist in a US prison, confessed to the sleuths of India's National Investigation Agency in June this year. It was obtained by Dinesh Sharma of Zee News from highly placed sources in the agency and is being reproduced in a two-part series on the second anniversary of Mumbai terror attacks. "There is no doubt I am an LeT operative who was a part of the conspiracy to wage war against India. The following LeT men were involved in the planning of 26/11: Hafiz Saeed (chief of LeT), Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi (LeT chief military commander). Middle level commanders like Sajid Mahid, Muzzammil, Abdur Rehman alias Pasha, Abu Alqama, Abu Qahafa, Abu Anas, Abdul Aziz, Abu Hamza (considered to be an India expert who took part in the Bangalore attack of 2005) and Yaqub. Hafiz Saeed was in the complete know of Mumbai attacks plan which could be launched only after his go-ahead. He keeps abreast with each and every LeT activity, though does not show it in public. Sajid, Alqama and Qahafa controlled the Mumbai attackers from Karachi on GPS and mobiles. Sajid was in contact with the attackers of Chhabad House and told them to kill everybody there while Alqama directed the operations at Taj. Qahafa encouraged the attackers by repeatedly saying that the entire Muslim Ummah looked upon them. I was also in direct contact with ISI officials Major Iqbal and Lt Col Hamza who have influence and control over LeT's top brass. I briefed Major Iqbal, my ISI handler, about each reconnaissance visit to Mumbai. I carried out certain exclusive reconnaissance tasks for him as well. I arrived in India for the first time on September 14 in 2006 at the Mumbai airport. I stayed at Hotel Outram and never called my Pakistani contacts from my new cellphone. This was done for me by Tahawwur Rana in Chicago. Here I submitted a form with RBI to open an immigration office for which I even appointed a Parsi woman as my secretary. This was a cover for me as I was super secretive no one in India could imagine what I was up to. I made extensive photographs of places like the Brihan Mumbai Corporation building, Haji Ali, Gateway of India, Hotel Taj, State police HQs, Azad Maidan, Marine Drive, VT Railway Station, Mumbai Central Railway Station, Leopold Cafe etc. My reconnaissance videos were appreciated by ISI and LeT and were crucial in carrying out attacks in Mumbai in 2008. Qahafa and I did a serious study on Google Earth to conduct the reconnaissance of Hotel Taj. We plotted the entire route and spot that the attackers would use through GPS and Google Earth. I have also made videos of targets in Delhi, Pune, Goa and Pushkar and these too will be used by LeT and al Qaeda to attack India in future. Even the Kumbh Mela is a target. I shot some things on a camera given to me by my Pakistani mother-in-law. But I mostly used my mobile's camera to do the recordings from April to June 2008 as well as in 2009 in India and Denmark. It has of course been seized by the FBI when they caught me from the Chicago Airport. I think the LeT and ISI plotted the Mumbai attacks to shift the interest of the world from Afghanistan and to instill a new spirit among their own cadre which were getting restless to join jihad in that country. Mumbai attacks were financed and supported by the ISI, pretty much like every other plan of the LeT is. Every important LeT member is handled by ISI officials. My handlers were Major Iqbal and Major Sameer Ali. Similarly Lakhvi was controlled by Brigadier Riyaz who is based in Muzaffarabad. Major Iqbal provided money for my surveillance in Mumbai. In fact the Rs 25 lakhs used to buy the first boat used to reach Mumbai was ISI money. This boat was used in September to reach Mumbai but that attempt failed and the boat was destroyed. Yes, there was a failed attempt by the LeT in September 2008. It was Ramzan and Lakhvi had gone to Mecca to pray for the operation's success but the boat hit a rock and the attackers had to be brought back in another one. The clearance of this boat at the end of the Pakistani government and was arranged by Sajid. I was the one who apprised the ISI officers of our complete plan to attack India in my first meeting Major Iqbal and his boss Lt Col Hamza. After 26/11, LeT has created a naval wing under Yaqub which will be used against targets in India. They even had a frogman a trained diver who can be used for combat - called Abdur Rehman and I think he was from the Pakistan Navy. Initially, it was planned to target only Hotel Taj. Till at least my sixth reconnaissance visit to the Taj, it was planned that 2-3 LeT men will attack the hotel and will enter through Nepal or Bangladesh. After March in 2008, something happened (I think it was the need of shifting attention to India from Pakistan's FATA area) and the plan of multiple attacks in Mumbai and the us
[proletar] The David Headley Confessions: Part-I
`How I became a jehadi' The following is a first-hand representation of what David Coleman Headley, a Pakistani-American terrorist in a US prison, confessed to the sleuths of India's National Investigation Agency in June this year. It was obtained by Dinesh Sharma of Zee News from highly placed sources in the agency and is being reproduced in a two-part series on the second anniversary of Mumbai terror attacks. "I am the son of a Pakistani man Syed Gilani and an American woman Serril Headley. I was born in 1960 in the US but we relocated to Pakistan after my birth. There I went to a military school, the Cadet College Hssan Abdal in the Attock district of Punjab. Soon my father divorced my mother and married a Pakistani woman. Two of my half-brothers from this marriage are civil servants in Pakistan, with Danyal being the Information Officer in the Prime Minister's Office there. In 1977 I returned to the US to stay with my mother who ran a pub called Khyber Pass in Philadelphia. Here I dabbled in the video business and ran the pub, apart from studying accounting at a college. I got married to Shazia Gilani, a Pakistani, in 1999 and have four children with her. They have nothing to do with my activities and live in Chicago. On one of my trips to Pakistan I met Lashkar-e-Tayyeba (LeT) chief Hafiz Saeed in a public meeting in Model Town, Lahore where he was preaching jihad. I was quite impressed and touched and wanted to see this man more. It was in 2001 that I decided to join the LeT and fight for the cause of jihad. Since my video business was not doing well, I rented it out and moved to Pakistan where my thoughts on jihad and Salafi Islam got strength. Hafiz Saeed is the Ameer (chief) of LeT. He is very close to ISI and is well protected. In my meetings with Hafiz Saeed, he rued how Bal Thackeray had caused damage to the Muslim Ummah (nation). The Shiv Sena boss is a target of LeT. My training began in February 2002 when I went for the Daura-e-Sufa training of three weeks in Muridke. This was a training in philosophy. In August I went in for LeT's Daura-e-Aam in Muzaffarabad. There I was surprised to see a lad from New Zealand who was a recent convert and was having a tough time following the course. Once, Hafiz Saeed visited us at the training camp. In April 2003 I underwent the three month long Daura-e-Khas at Muzaffarabad where I saw suicidal squads being trained for attacks in India. I was also trained on how to keep in touch with my handlers in what was called Daura-e-Ribat. I was taught unarmed, close quarter combat in September 2003 where I came across an officer from the Pakistan Army who was an expert at this form of fighting and imparted training. In yet another week of training on leadership which was addressed by LeT commander-in-chief Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, there were serious discussions on how to tackle the ban on LeT by Pakistani government. Sajid, my LeT handler, was apprehensive about taking the legal recourse as he was worried about the evidence India could present against the organization. During my training with the LeT, I travelled to a host of countries like Britain, Germany, France, Maldives, Sri Lanka. I never came to India as Dawood. About the LeT, it is an organization based on the Salahi faith of Islam and it's objective is to establish `Nizam-e-Mustafa' (Rule of God). It is more inclined towards jihad in Kashmir though now there is also a debate in the organization about expanding base in Afghanistan. This has led to several splits in terror organizations including the LeT. Lakhvi has just about held the LeT together on arguments like Kashmir was nearest to their camps and that LeT had better knowledge of the area. Moreover, this is also ISI's official line keep Kashmiri and Afghanistan movements separate. Hafiz Saeed' maternal cousin, Abdur Rehman Maki, is the foreign affairs in-charge of the LeT. My LeT controller, Sajid Majid, was his personal assistant. He is the son of an Indian from Punjab who shifted base to Pakistan in 1947. One of the oldest members of LeT, Sajid completed his Daura-e-Khas round of training when he a mere 18 years old. I started reporting to him from January 2005. As my training ended, I started getting frustrated because the LeT was not ready to send me to fight in Kashmir due to my age. Finally they thought of using my service in another way. The LeT asked me to go to India and Mumbai was among other cities like Kolkata, Bangalore, Delhi, Pune etc. that were discussed as my base in India. The change of name, establishing an immigration office on behalf of my friend Tahawwur Hussain Rana (my Cadet College mate and a Pak Army deserter), using American passport to conceal identity etc. were all my ideas. For these formalities I visited the US in 2006 and obtained a visa from the Indian consulate on my US passport which had many stamps of my visits to Pakistan. There I videographed
[proletar] Membaca Bukan Menafsirkan Tapi Menyimpulkan !!!
Membaca Bukan Menafsirkan Tapi Menyimpulkan !!! Setiap orang yang membaca akan secara otomatis mengolah apa yang dibacanya untuk dipahami sebagai kesimpulannya. Bacaan yang tersusun dengan baik dan benar akan menghasilkan kesimpulan yang sama melalui proses otak dari pembaca yang ber-beda2. Ada kalanya bacaan itu acak2an, tidak baik susunannya sehingga tidak bisa diambil kesimpulannya, oleh karena itu si pembaca berusaha menebaknya, spekulasi, berjudi dalam mengartikannya, dan proses tebak2an begini kita sebut sebagai tafsir. Tafsir AlQuran adalah hadist, artinya Hadist itu adalah hasi tebak2an dari orang yang membaca Quran. Hanya Al-Quran yang perlu ditafsir, sedangkan agama lain meskipun juga sama sama ditafsir, tapi menyangkalnya karena mereka paham kalo kitab suci mereka dikatakan ada tafsirnya merupakan penghinaan. Celaka memang umat Islam, mereka tidak biasa membuat definisi sebelum membuat kata2, akibatnya belum juga kitab sucinya dibacapun dari tafsirnya saja sudah bisa disimpulkan isinya tidak benar. Inilah salah satu bukti kuat yang pernah saya tulis, bahwa AlQuran itu diciptakan oleh pendeta2 Vatican untuk digunakan menyerang musuh2nya yaitu Yahudi dan Islam agar saling membunuh hingga musnah keduanya. Tapi pembantaian sudah terjadi dimasa lalu, sekarang ada HAM sehingga kegiatan utama dalam beragama dengan saling membantai sudah dilarang oleh Amerika yang pemenang perang dunia kedua sehingga mampu mendominasi power menciptakan keamanan dunia sekarang ini. > "sethiadi" wrote: > Menurut seorang pendeta yang > bergelar Doktor, membaca adalah > menafsirkan. Kalau ini benar, > maka literal adalah juga > menafsirkan, menafsirkan secara > literal. Ini menurut Osama bin > Laden adalah cara menfsirkan yang > benar. Menurut Gus Dur dan Amin > Rais apalagi menurut Nurcholis > Majid itu adalah cara menafsirkan > yang salah. Siapa yang benar dan > siapa yang salah? Osama bin Laden jelas salah karena menafsirkan itu tidak perlu membaca, dan literal itu bukan bahan untuk ditafsirkan. Nurcholid, Gus Dur dan Amin Rais juga salah, karena tidak ada istilah menafsirkan yang salah dan menafsirkan yang benar. Karena tafsir itu semacam tebak2an bisa saja salah tapi jarang sekali dan hampir selalu tidak ada yang benar. Tafsir menafsir hanya untuk hiburan, entertainment seperti tebak2an dalam judi. Disitulah salahnya ajaran agama, disatu pihak melarang judi, dilain pihak menafsirkan Quran dan Bible mereka masing2. Karena menafsirkan Bible dan Quran juga sama dengan berjudi yang hasilnya saling menyalahkan sebelum berlanjut saling memusnahkan. Jadi Semuanya salah, membaca bukan menafsirkan melainkan menyimpulkan karena kata "Tafsir" beda dari arti kata "Kesimpulan" Tafsir itu artinya tebak2an, jadi kata literal kalo di-tebak2 menjadi kata apapun bisa. Kata "teror" ditafsir sebagai "damai", itu bisa. Kata "rampok Yahudi" bisa ditafsirkan sebagai "menyayangi Yahudi". Demikianlah, kalo membaca dulu kemudian menarik kesimpulan, artinya setiap kata ada urut2an logisnya yang bisa divalidasi benar atau salahnya. Kemudian setelah diurut atau diproses menjadi beberapa kalimat, maka setiap kalimat harus valid untuk kemudian dicari hubungannya atai tidak ada hubungannya dengan kalimat valid lainnya, barulah kemudian setelah keterkaitan antar kalimat2 ini terbukti atau eksis, barulah tercipta kalimat baru dengan kata2 yang lebih sederhana ringkas dan jelas, dan kalimat ini kita sebut sebagai kesimpulan BUKAN tafsiran. Agama memang menggunakan tafsir, itulah sebabnya agama bukan ilmu pengetahuan, tapi semacam ilmu ramalan yang tidak pernah kena ditebak atau selalu ditafsirkan selalu kena ditebak. Tafsir itu BOHONG. Kesimpulan itu BUKTI ILMIAH. Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] hati2 provokator
Baik dari golongan Islam, maupun golongan Kresten ada provokatornya. Kita mengetahui, disetiap agama, ada golongan2nya; terbagi secara Umum : 1. Golongan keras - bermusuhan 2. Golongan Moderat - toleransi tingi 3. Golongan low profile - semua untuk pribadi ketiga golongan ini berinteraksi dan bisa saling mempengaruhi; tapi yang menonjol adalah golongan KERAS mempengaruhi golongan lainnya. Selain itu, ada pula segolongan yaitu PROVOKATOR; ini bisa dari mana saja; tugasnya adalah menyebar kebencian dimana mana. Kita harus hati2 menanggapinya; kalau terpancing; maka kitalah yang GOBLOK dan TOLOL. Sehingga misalnya kita ikut2 maki agama orang lain. Padahal yang maki agama kita belum tentu dari golongan agama yang kita kira lawan kita. Bisa juga orang yang beragama jadi provokator; sengaja makin membuat panas situasi, bukan meredam malah menyi5ramnya dengan bensin; akibatnya kesalah pahaman makin melebar; upaya untuk saling toleransi makin sulit. Menjawab suatu kritik agama harus hati2; kalau tidak, kitapun akan masuk jadi provokator juga.Kalau tak bisa membuat suasana jadi dingin karena kemampuan kita yang kurang memadai, mendingan nggak usah bicara; itu lebih baik; dari pada cuap2 maki2 agama lain. Yang tertawa terbahak bahak; yaaah provokator itu ! Senang mereka. Saya melihat sekarang ini DUTA2 Islam yang ada di milis P4roletar kebanyakan ADU maki dengan yang dituduh Kresten; padahal belum TENTU. Setelah keluar maki2; maka yang benar2 Kresten jelas saja akan tersinggung; dan kalau mereka memaki balik, dan ikut ngeroyok duta2 Islam tersebut; sangat wajar. Saya pribadi berharap toleransi tetap harus dijaga. Jadi ada rambu2 tersendiri dalam hal ini. Sembarang memaki agama lain orang, hanya akan buang2 waktu percuma saja; hasil tak ada. Bahkan makin lama makin sakit hati saja yang didapat. Padahal DAKWAH itu kan tujuannya menuntun kejalan yang baik, bukannya menuntun kearah permusuhan ! kalau tak mampu begitu, sudaqhi saja dakwah yang sia2 tersebut; kecuali memang masuk ke MILIS hanya untuk menyalurkan BAKAT memaki maki umat beriman. Boleh anda protes dengan tulisan saya ini; terserah. Karena anda semua saya yakin punya logika yang dipegang. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] kalau maestro bernyanyi
Betul...dlm perspektif semesta seakan ada bingkainya, tapi bebas dalam berinteraksi bukan seperti kebon binatang yg dikurung dan dipisah satu sama lain...asumsi dgn ikan hias yg paling mulia, dgn mengabaikan mahluk lain dibawahnya yg tidak menciptakan keributan hanya gara gara mau cari muka ke pemilik aquarium... -Original Message- From: "ajeg" Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 02:25:28 To: Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [proletar] kalau maestro bernyanyi Bukannya Anda yang mula-mula mencontohkan kehidupan dengan sekotak aquarium? Kebun binatang jauh lebih beranekaragam. Lucu dong kalau demokrasi harus serba seragam. --- "widura" wrote: > Apakah manusia hidup dibumi dikotak2an/dikurung seperti di kebon > binatang ?..hehe...hewan buas bukan tandingan manusia, mahluk > tercerdas di bumicontoh sederhana aquarium itu cobalah untuk > dilihat dengan lebih seksamaikan paling mulia yg tau benar dan > salah ribut terus hanya untuk cari muka kepada sipemilik aquarium... > -Original Message- > From: Led Zeppelin > > > Saya juga setuju > > tapi tidak untuk contoh akuarium&warna-warni ikan2 itu > > kenapa tidak kebon binatang saja,dimana pemangsa&mangsa > > dipisahkan,saya kira terlalu kecil untuk melihat kehidupan > > kita yang maha luas ini dengan sekotak akuarium > > > > --- ajeg wrote: > > > > > Kalau begitu cocok apa kata Teddy, manusia pun > > > banyak kelemahannya. Bahkan bisa lebih lemah > > > dari binatang dalam urusan mengendalikan diri. > > > > > > Karena itu agama pernah bilang, perang terdahsyat > > > adalah perang melawan diri sendiri. > > > > > > --- "widura" wrote: > > > > > > > Tentu saja ikan hias tersebut sudah dipilih yg paling mulia > > > > diantara lainnya, yg tau benar dan salah..tapi diantara > > > > mereka malah sok cari muka ke saya, sebagai pemilik aquarium, > > > > dgn merasa paling hebat dan paling nurut ke saya...padahal > > > > semua yg saya pelihara disana saya harapkan bisa hidup > > > > damai...dan saya ngga > > > perlu cari mukanya itu...jengkel memang menyaksikannya..udah coba > > > saya "sentil" supaya gak ribut tapi masih aja ribut > > > terus...akhirnya saya pisahkan yg arogan bersama kelompoknya agar > > > tidak terjadi keributan...eh ternyata dikoloni mereka yg sudah > > > dipisahkan tersebut, masih juga mereka ribut menyerang satu sama > > > lain karena merasa mereka dan kelompoknya yg paling nurut sama > > > saya...bener2 bikin repot... > > > -Original Message- > > > From: "ajeg" > > > > > > > Tergantung jenis ikannya. > > > > Kalau warna-warni itu terkumpul di satu ekor ikan > > > > cupang, ya berabelah dunia aquarium. Apalagi kalau > > > > aquarium diisi ikan cupang semua. > > > > > > > > Lucu nih, kemarin ada yang jengkel sama guru agama, > > > > sekarang ada yang jengkel sama ikan. Tapi yang dijadiin > > > > sasaran pelampiasan malah agama. > > > > > > > > --- "widura" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Saya punya aquarium dan saya isi dgn ikan hias sejenis beragam > > > > > warna : hitam, merah, kuning, dan putih serta diberi hiasan > > > > > natural agar lebih nyaman...harapan saya ikan tersebut hidup > > > > > damai bersama dalam satu wadah...tapi ternyata ada yg merasa > > > > > paling berkuasa lalu mengganggu yg lainnya yg asik mencari > > > > > makan kesana kemarijengkel sekali saya melihat ikan seperti > > > > > itu...tidak seperti yg diharapkan utk hidup dama bersama > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: "Teddy S." > > > > > > > > > Namanya juga manusia yang punya banyak kelemahan-kelemahan. > > > > > > > > > > --- "widura" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Kita bisa saksikan kelakuan orang2 bertuhan ini dengan > > > > > > gamblang dan jelas dalam aksi2 mereka...hehehe...hanya > > > > > > merusak nurani saja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr..
Re: [proletar] kalau maestro bernyanyi
Bukannya Anda yang mula-mula mencontohkan kehidupan dengan sekotak aquarium? Kebun binatang jauh lebih beranekaragam. Lucu dong kalau demokrasi harus serba seragam. --- "widura" wrote: > Apakah manusia hidup dibumi dikotak2an/dikurung seperti di kebon > binatang ?..hehe...hewan buas bukan tandingan manusia, mahluk > tercerdas di bumicontoh sederhana aquarium itu cobalah untuk > dilihat dengan lebih seksamaikan paling mulia yg tau benar dan > salah ribut terus hanya untuk cari muka kepada sipemilik aquarium... > -Original Message- > From: Led Zeppelin > > > Saya juga setuju > > tapi tidak untuk contoh akuarium&warna-warni ikan2 itu > > kenapa tidak kebon binatang saja,dimana pemangsa&mangsa > > dipisahkan,saya kira terlalu kecil untuk melihat kehidupan > > kita yang maha luas ini dengan sekotak akuarium > > > > --- ajeg wrote: > > > > > Kalau begitu cocok apa kata Teddy, manusia pun > > > banyak kelemahannya. Bahkan bisa lebih lemah > > > dari binatang dalam urusan mengendalikan diri. > > > > > > Karena itu agama pernah bilang, perang terdahsyat > > > adalah perang melawan diri sendiri. > > > > > > --- "widura" wrote: > > > > > > > Tentu saja ikan hias tersebut sudah dipilih yg paling mulia > > > > diantara lainnya, yg tau benar dan salah..tapi diantara > > > > mereka malah sok cari muka ke saya, sebagai pemilik aquarium, > > > > dgn merasa paling hebat dan paling nurut ke saya...padahal > > > > semua yg saya pelihara disana saya harapkan bisa hidup > > > > damai...dan saya ngga > > > perlu cari mukanya itu...jengkel memang menyaksikannya..udah coba > > > saya "sentil" supaya gak ribut tapi masih aja ribut > > > terus...akhirnya saya pisahkan yg arogan bersama kelompoknya agar > > > tidak terjadi keributan...eh ternyata dikoloni mereka yg sudah > > > dipisahkan tersebut, masih juga mereka ribut menyerang satu sama > > > lain karena merasa mereka dan kelompoknya yg paling nurut sama > > > saya...bener2 bikin repot... > > > -Original Message- > > > From: "ajeg" > > > > > > > Tergantung jenis ikannya. > > > > Kalau warna-warni itu terkumpul di satu ekor ikan > > > > cupang, ya berabelah dunia aquarium. Apalagi kalau > > > > aquarium diisi ikan cupang semua. > > > > > > > > Lucu nih, kemarin ada yang jengkel sama guru agama, > > > > sekarang ada yang jengkel sama ikan. Tapi yang dijadiin > > > > sasaran pelampiasan malah agama. > > > > > > > > --- "widura" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Saya punya aquarium dan saya isi dgn ikan hias sejenis beragam > > > > > warna : hitam, merah, kuning, dan putih serta diberi hiasan > > > > > natural agar lebih nyaman...harapan saya ikan tersebut hidup > > > > > damai bersama dalam satu wadah...tapi ternyata ada yg merasa > > > > > paling berkuasa lalu mengganggu yg lainnya yg asik mencari > > > > > makan kesana kemarijengkel sekali saya melihat ikan seperti > > > > > itu...tidak seperti yg diharapkan utk hidup dama bersama > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: "Teddy S." > > > > > > > > > Namanya juga manusia yang punya banyak kelemahan-kelemahan. > > > > > > > > > > --- "widura" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Kita bisa saksikan kelakuan orang2 bertuhan ini dengan > > > > > > gamblang dan jelas dalam aksi2 mereka...hehehe...hanya > > > > > > merusak nurani saja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] lagi, mengkaji guru
--- Led Zeppelin wrote: > --- ajeg wrote: > > Begini, saya coba mengikuti pemikiran wawan tentang > > apa yang disebut 'agama' - yang rupanya terbatas hanya > > pada label-label terkenal terutama Kristen & Islam. > > Buat dia, jangankan dongeng, apapun yang berbau 'agama' > > seolah nggak bersisa setitik pun kebaikannya. > > =Di Barat sejak zaman modern diskursus agama berpindah > dari tangan teolog ke tangan para filosof/pemikir bebas. > pernyataan theology was subservient to philosophy > atau under the tutelage of philosophy adalah realitas > yang tidak disesali. Artinya teologi menjadi bulan-bulanan > para filosof. > Untuk sekedar menyebut beberapa nama; Sartre, Heidegger, > Jung, Ludwig Feurbach, William James Nietzsche, Kant dan > lain-lain, adalah filosof-filosof yang bicara soal agama > padahal mereka tidak punya otoritas untuk bicara teologi. Silakan saja pake pemikiran filsuf Barat yang mengacak-acak teologi Kristen. Tapi jangan pake pemikiran yang sama untuk menghadapi cewek yang berbeda.. Ini yang saya maksud, kenapa menyinyiri Islam hanya bermodalkan apa kata guru agama dan apa kata teroris. Guru agama tugasnya ya ngajar agama semampu dia, dan teroris jalankan agama ya sesuka bosnya. Tapi keduanya dijadikan modal buat jerit-jerit, "liat, itulah Islam". Lha kalu mau bicara pemikiran, kenapa nggak kunjung menyentuh apa kata filsuf-filsuf Islam? Kenapa menyinyiri Islam cuma dari "pemikiran" guru agama, kelakuan teroris, dan paling keren, filsafat Barat? Ngobrol pake cara yang sama ke setiap cewek atau membuka sekrup dengan pahat, itu mah cari gara-gara namanya. > > > Ini jelas terlalu mengada-ada untuk orang yang katanya > > pernah nyantri di pesantren. Untuk apa membakar rumah > > yang sudah tidak kita sukai - apalagi kalau belum punya > > tempat berteduh lain. > > =Terus terang saja maaf sebelum nya wawan itu kan pemeluk katolik > yang ekting seperti orang islam,padahal agama aslinya budhis. Saya cuma pegang pengakuan. Kalau pengakuan / omongan nggak bisa dipegang, apa modal orang untuk bisa dipercaya? > > > Nggak lain nggak bukan, saya mengajak wawan untuk nggak > > mbakar rumah yang pernah ditempati, seburuk apa pun > > pengalaman selama tinggal di sana. Kebiasaan bakar-bakar > > seperti itu akan terbawa ke mana pun dia "berteduh". > > =Percuma toh rumah yang di bakar itu bukan rumah nya > dia juga tidak ''pernah'' apalagi ''berada'' & menempati rumah tsb Lebih-lebih bukan "rumah"nya. Jangan dibakar! Ada orang lain di rumah itu, ada orang lain yang butuh tempat bernaung. Itu yang harus dipikir. Jangan cuma menonjol-nonjolkan kecengengannya sendiri seolah yakin kalau semua orang sama cengengnya. > > > Terbukti, wawan membangun analisis yang dengan sendirinya > > terbakar jadi abu. Tapi ya terserah kalau memang suka > > ngerjain hal yang sia-sia. > > =Para pakar prol-pun ikut-ikutan membawa > agama ke ranah mereka menggunakan teori evolusi > Charles Darwin,untuk menjustifikasi adanya perubahan > dalam agama Herbert Spencer juga mengikuti. Friedrich > Max Muller,Emile Durkheim. > Rudolf Otto&dan lain-lain mengaitkan agama dengan realitas > sosial. Mereka nggak tau apa yang mereka bicarain. Mereka nggak kenal Islam tapi sok menilai Islam. > > > Soal tolol enggaknya suatu dongeng saya sependapat sama > > sampeyan. Tergantung bagaimana orang memahami posisi > > dongeng tersebut. Jadi, daripada meributkan benar-tidaknya > > dongeng itu terjadi, lebih baik melihat kegunaannya. > > Memberi inspirasikah, sekedar menghiburkah, atau justru > > meneror dsbkah. > > =Akhirnya, wacana keagamaan mereka itu tidak lagi bisa disebut > teologi mereka lalu menciptakan apa yang mereka sebut philosophy > of religion adalah suatu disiplin ilmu yang metode dan basis > teorinya adalah filsafat Barat. > obyeknya adalah semua agama. > maka ketika mereka membahas agama-agama itu > worldview BARAT berada pada posisi bird-eye. > Doktrin filsafat berada di atas doktrin agama-agama. > Di sini pembahasan agama berada pada zone bebas > agama tapi tidak bebas dari worldview Barat. Mereka kelewat rajin memuji-muji bahkan berani menyuruh- nyuruh orang lain untuk mengikuti etos Barat (yang memang doyan belajar itu). Tapi liat, mereka sendiri cuma ongkang-ongkang sambil meludah kiri-kanan bak cukong judi hwa-hwe. Sedangkan orang Barat sendiri sekarang buka buku-buku Islam. Belajar kenal, cari tau lebih dalam, tentang Islam. Lha para kuplik & koplok di sini cuma cah cih cuh sambil jilatin pantat menir-menir Barat yang lagi sibuk belajar itu. Para kuplik & koplok nggak mau ikut belajar sekalipun bolak-balik pentang bacot mereka beriman pada hal-hal ilmiah. > > > Bagaimanapun, kitalah yang berhak menentukan posisi > > dongeng itu berdasarkan pengetahuan & pengalaman yang > > kita punya. Jangan malah mabuk, hilang kesadaran, lantas > > menempatkan si pendongeng seolah dia sedang berwahyu / > > berfirman sehingga kata-katanya p
Re: [proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (2)
heh ? 2011/4/25 PAREWA > > > Denial politics. Sebaliknya kata si jusfiq, google lah yg bikin dia > "pintar" > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, David Silalahi menulis: > > Dari: David Silalahi > Judul: Re: [proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 4:54 PM > > > > > google saat ini memang dewa untuk segala jawaban. > > anda bisa mencari apa saja, entah pencarian untuk tambah pintar ataupun > > untuk tambah bodoh. > > anda juga bisa mencari "child rape" melalui google, langsung ada > jawabannya. > > demikian pula kalau menambahkan kata "america", "arab", "iraq", "iran", > > "dubai", "turkey" ataupun menambahkan kata "Christian", "moslem", "muslim" > > ... apa saja yang anda mau. > > semua langsung ada jawabannya, tapi apakah itu membuat anda pintar? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Outrageous verdict
Mautahu tukang perkosa? Paulus!! KATEBE Ajaran Yesus dibilangnya susu. Padahal Yesus bilangnya yg disampaikan adalah dari Bapa. Mau tahu pembunuh? Paulus!! KATEBE Yesus digantung di tiang jemuran sampai kering lalu mati berdasarkan kutukan Paulus Mau tahu perampok? Paulus!! KATEBE yg ditantang Yesus sbg pengembala umatnya adalah Petrus. Mau tahu pendusta? Paulus!! Silahkan periksa Rome 3:7 Mau tahu yg mencla-mencle? Paulus!! Hari ini dia bilang orang anu mbesok orang anu Paulus ini KATEBE 1/2 anjing (Yunani, kafir), 1/2 Yahudi. Kalau kelak ketemu Yesus a.s termasuk yg bakalan diadili ga? --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > Mau jadi tukang merkosa? Masuk islam aja, hehehe > > Islam itu emang agama yg benar unt tukang merkosa. > > > > > > > From: sunny ambon@... > To: Undisclosed-Recipient@... > Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 7:58:17 PM > Subject: [proletar] Outrageous verdict > > > > http://arabnews.com/opinion/editorial/article369994.ece > > Editorial > Apr 22, 2011 22:19 > Outrageous verdict > The acquittal in the Mukhtaran Mai case is a blow to Pakistan itself and to its > legal system > > The acquittal by Pakistan's Supreme Court of five of the six men charged with > raping a girl because her 12-year-old brother had been seeing a girl from their > family, has been greeted with outrage around the world. > > This, however, should not be seen as a new cause for the international women's > liberation movement but as a blow to Pakistan itself and to its legal system. > The conviction of one man who took part in the gang-rape was upheld by > Pakistan's highest court, but the other five men walked free for, according to > the court, lack of evidence. The convicted man saw his death sentence commuted > to life imprisonment. > > There are three important lessons for Pakistan arising from this sordid and > deplorable crime. The first is that such "punishments" are not uncommon in a > country where family honor is often paramount. It seems clear that as a result > of the friendship between a young boy and a girl from another clan, the elders > of that clan decreed the family of the other should be humiliated. It is > important to realize this was not just a rape crime. All too often in similar > circumstances the victim, weighed down by the shame of what has happened to her, > has taken her own life. Therefore ultimately this was a crime of attempted > murder. No civilized society should be prepared to tolerate such behavior. > > The second lesson has been taught by the victim herself, Mukhtaran Mai, an > illiterate peasant girl, who instead of taking her own life in the face of her > enforced dishonor, bravely chose to take on her rapists and in doing so, the > entire Pakistani police and judicial system. She and her family are still being > threatened with murder. > > She still maintains the police never took her statement properly and failed to > investigate the crime in an efficient and timely manner. Hence, she says, it > could be claimed there was a lack of evidence against all but one of her > attackers, even though she was able to identify a number of them. The courts in > which she pursued the men who had violated her, also displayed a distinct lack > of interest in her evidence, preferring to accept the police claims rather than > challenging law officers to demonstrate the effectiveness of their > investigation. > > This is not, however, the disaster that outsiders are claiming it to be. There > can be no doubt Pakistan has been shocked by the case. For the majority there is > a sense of shame that such violent and degrading behavior can ever take place > and frustration that both police and courts have been so slow and reluctant to > move against it. Remember this is a crime which took place fully nine years ago. > The impact of the case on the authorities is likely to bring about a sea change > in official attitudes. Next time that such a heinous crime is brought to the > attention of the police, it must be hoped that it will not just be the rapists > who are charged, but also the elders who ordered the depraved crime. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsu
[proletar] Re: Selain Suryana, apa ada orang Nasrani yang tukang fitnah disini?
dua orang bermental anjing, anjing tua dan anjing sipit sedang saling menjilati pantat dan berhalusinasi sambil ngeloco bareng. orang2 bego bermental anjing kayak elu tuh bisanya cuman maki2 seperti anjing menggonggong. si anjing masuk ke milis katolik lalu berdusta dihadapan orang katolik sampe disumpahin orang katolik, lalu si anjing datang ke milis ini dan berdusta lagi dihadapan orang islam sehingga kepalanya dikeplakin dan pantatnya ditendang seperti anjing budug. memang bener si anjing sipit tipikal seperti muridnya tuhan jesus yang demen berdusta. kalo tuhan jesus menyebarkan kebaikan dan kasih sayang, maka si anjing sipit menyebarkan kebencian dan permusuhan. cocok kan seperti muridnya tuhan jesus?! kalian berdua emang sama aja, kalian orang2 frustasi yang hidupnya sudah dan sengsara yang perlu dikasihani. menyedihkan... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > Ada jg sih orang2 "Kristen" yg bejad, misalnya di milis lain ada orang > Katolik > yg bilang bhw gua akan dpt musibah sebelum Natal krn gua nunjukin kekonyolan > ajaran Katolik. Lalu ada jg yg maki2 ga keruan kayak kaing2 dr orang Islam > kejepit buntut. > > Tp emang cuma orang Islam aja sbg penganut agama yg benar yg secara serempak > jadi tukang fitnah, termasuk jg orang Islam ogah dimasukin ke dlm golongan > orang > islam kayak si habe dan ayub_yahya. Kelompok tukang fitnah yg disebut sbg > gerombolan Islam plus. > > > > > > > From: Jusfiq > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 6:43:59 PM > Subject: [proletar] Selain Suryana, apa ada orang Nasrani yang tukang fitnah > disini? > > > > Selain Suryana, apa ada orang Nasrani yang tukang fitnah disini? > > Sedangkan peserta yang menganut agama Islam itu rata-rata adalah bajingan > pendusta dan bangsta tukang fitnah. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Outrageous verdict
si anjing sipit udah kalap. si anjing sipit seperti si junkie tua nggak sadar kalo emailnya di blok orang lain berarti tulisannya nggak bermutu sama sekali. eh.., si anjing sipit saking gobloknya malahan ikut 'numpang' tulisan gw supaya tulisannya dibaca suryana. bego banget si anjing sipit... udah gitu, si anjing sipit makin kalap. si anjing sipit berdua sama sodaranya, sesama anjing yang tentunya pengencuk anak sendiri, si anjing sipit bilang gw najis kalo digigit. wah..., gawat. makin kalap nih si anjing sipit. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > Hehehe ocehan si rezameutia ini tentunya dibaca si suryana krn si suryana > ga > ngeblok posting si rezameutia. > > Uenaknya saling jilat pantat antara suryana dan orang2 islam, hehehe... > > Kalo gua sih, orang kayak si reza meutia ini kalo gua suruh anjing gua > ngegigit > jg gua ogah, krn bikin najis anjing gua. > > > > > > > From: rezameutia > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 7:18:00 AM > Subject: [proletar] Re: Outrageous verdict > > > mau ngentot anak sendiri? > mau ngentot bini orang? > mau menghina dan menyakiti ibu sendiri? > piara aja cabo yang namanya sama dengan ibu sendiri. > > semuanya hal kelakuan yang nista dan najis ini cuma ada di kristen. > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > Mau jadi tukang merkosa? Masuk islam aja, hehehe > > > > Islam itu emang agama yg benar unt tukang merkosa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: sunny > > To: Undisclosed-Recipient@ > > Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 7:58:17 PM > > Subject: [proletar] Outrageous verdict > > > > > > > > http://arabnews.com/opinion/editorial/article369994.ece > > > > Editorial > > Apr 22, 2011 22:19 > > Outrageous verdict > > The acquittal in the Mukhtaran Mai case is a blow to Pakistan itself and to > > its > > > > legal system > > > > The acquittal by Pakistan's Supreme Court of five of the six men charged > > with > > raping a girl because her 12-year-old brother had been seeing a girl from > > their > > > > family, has been greeted with outrage around the world. > > > > This, however, should not be seen as a new cause for the international > > women's > > > liberation movement but as a blow to Pakistan itself and to its legal > > system. > > The conviction of one man who took part in the gang-rape was upheld by > > Pakistan's highest court, but the other five men walked free for, according > > to > > > the court, lack of evidence. The convicted man saw his death sentence > > commuted > > > to life imprisonment. > > > > There are three important lessons for Pakistan arising from this sordid and > > deplorable crime. The first is that such "punishments" are not uncommon in > > a > > country where family honor is often paramount. It seems clear that as a > > result > > > of the friendship between a young boy and a girl from another clan, the > > elders > > > of that clan decreed the family of the other should be humiliated. It is > > important to realize this was not just a rape crime. All too often in > > similar > > circumstances the victim, weighed down by the shame of what has happened to > >her, > > > > has taken her own life. Therefore ultimately this was a crime of attempted > > murder. No civilized society should be prepared to tolerate such behavior. > > > > The second lesson has been taught by the victim herself, Mukhtaran Mai, an > > illiterate peasant girl, who instead of taking her own life in the face of > > her > > > enforced dishonor, bravely chose to take on her rapists and in doing so, > > the > > entire Pakistani police and judicial system. She and her family are still > > being > > > > threatened with murder. > > > > She still maintains the police never took her statement properly and failed > > to > > > investigate the crime in an efficient and timely manner. Hence, she says, > > it > > could be claimed there was a lack of evidence against all but one of her > > attackers, even though she was able to identify a number of them. The > > courts in > > > > which she pursued the men who had violated her, also displayed a distinct > > lack > > > of interest in her evidence, preferring to accept the police claims rather > > than > > > > challenging law officers to demonstrate the effectiveness of their > > investigation. > > > > This is not, however, the disaster that outsiders are claiming it to be. > > There > > > can be no doubt Pakistan has been shocked by the case. For the majority > > there > >is > > > > a sense of shame that such violent and degrading behavior can ever take > > place > > and frustration that both police and courts have been so slow and reluctant > > to > > > move against it. Remember this is a crime which took place fully nine years > >ago. > > > > The impact of the case on the authorities is likely t
[proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel
hahaha... si anjing sipit sok ngomong dosa?! si anjing sipit udah nggak bisa berdebat lalu bilang gw berdosa. dia kira orang lain bego seperti dia dan diomongin dosa langsung takut. bego.., bego... si anjing sipit masuk ke milis ini dengan harapan yang segede gunung ternyata sekarang terkaing-kaing malahan ngomongin dosa. dia pikir masuk milis ini seperti sampi bunting, ternyata sampe di milis ini dia cuman cecurut ekor buntung. kesian... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > Si rezameutia ini udah jadi tukang fitnah yg ga tau malu, tp masih ngaku ga > pernah ngefitnah. Lalu nambah dosa dgn fitnah baru. > > Ini tipikal Islam koq, tukang fitnah. > > Gua selalu bilang bhw orang Islam itu bejad, masuk ke milis borjuis ini dan > ketemu orang baru, ternyata, hehehe emang ga salah koq apa yg gua bilang. > > > > > > > From: rezameutia > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 7:32:56 AM > Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > Hehehe... apa di Alkitab tertulis si item abu ngencukin anak sendiri? > > > > Gua punya anak aja kagak, jadi gimana bisa gua ngencukin anak sendiri? > > > > ooo..., karena lu belum punya anak, kalo gitu lu pasti piara cabo yang > namanya > sama dengan nama ibu lu sendiri dong. > > > siapa nama cabo yang elu piara? > > > Si rezameutia ini emang betul2 brulyan dlm nunjukin betapa bejad dirinya, > > udah > > > ngefitnah secara ga tau malu, lalu ngaku ga pernah ngefitnah secara ga tau > >malu. > > > > Betul2 contoh yg baik dr orang islam yg soleh dan bertaqwa. > > > > nggak gitu lah orang islam. > > orang kristen diajarin untuk berbohong, fitnah, berkhianat, piara cabo sama > lah > seperti kelakuan jesus dan muridnya yang pengecut sialan dan tidak > bertanggung > jawab itu. > > jadi kalo gw ketemu orang kristen taat kayak elu, ya gw udah maklum dan > memahami > bahwa orang kayak elu akan berbohong, berkhianat, piara cabo sama seperti > kelakuan jesus dan muridnya. > > gitu aja kok > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: rezameutia > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 3:28:39 PM > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > > > Hehehe si rezameutia ini omong gede ga pernah ngefitnah, padahal > > > jelas2 > >dia > > > > > > > > ngefitnah gua dgn nuduh gua ngencukin anak sendiri. > > > > > > > gw nggak fitnah. > > itu ada tertulis di alkitab. > > > > > > > > Emang koq, orang Islam itu ga punya malu sama sekali, udah kepergok > > > ngefitnah > > > > > dan ngibul, terus aja mereka kaing2 sekeras2nya. > > > > > > > makin keliatan kan, orang kristen bego kalo udah nggak bisa debat lagi > > langsung > > > > dah oot sambil ngacir terkaing-kaing dan langsung ngeloco untuk memuaskan > > diri > > > sendiri. biasalah itu tipikal kristen bego. > > > > > > > > Si rezameutia ini lagi berjihad ngibul dan ngefitnah di jalan auloh, > >hehehe... > > > > > > > > > > si anjing sipit lagi ngacir terkaing-kaing sambil menggonggong dan > > berdusta, > > persis seperti muridnya tuhan jesus yang ngacir terkaing-kaing dan berdusta > > ketika tuhan jesus disalib. > > > > hehehe... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: rezameutia > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:47:43 AM > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel > > > > > > > > > tuh kan mewek2 mulu. > > > > > > lu mewek ama si jusfiq junkie tua aja dah. > > > > > > gw nggak abis pikir ama kelakuan si anjing sipit penjilat kontol, kok > > > demen > > > banget mewek2 sama orang lain minta bantuan supaya ikutan ngomong. > > > kenapa > >kalo > > > > > > > > elu ngomg sendiri sama gw? nggak pede ya?! > > > > > > hehehe > > > > > > kelakuan si item anjing sipit ini sama persis seperti kelakuan si jusfiq > >anjing > > > > > > > > tua. > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > > > > > Hehehe... si rezameutia dan tawangalun itu ngefitnah gua, lu ini > > > > berpihak > >ke > > > > > > > > siapa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Led Zeppelin > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 4:30:55 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehehe orang Islam lagi ngebela sodara berimannya yg jadi tukang > >fitnah. > > > > > > > > =Oooh sungguh2 sempit cara berfikir anda,jangankan manusia > > > > kucing/anjing tersasar saja perlu kita bela&beri perlindungan memadai > > > > cara berfikir anda sangat sektarian hanya mementingkan golongan sendiri > > > > golongan lain bukan bahagian saya tidak seagama bukan teman saya > > > > tidak s
[proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > Gua cukup ngeluarin tafsir yg bilang dgn jelas anak ingusan yg blm mens itu > hrs > dpt masa iddah yg berarti si anak yg blm mens itu udah pernah diembat > sebelumnya. > hehehe..., tipikal kristen tolol yang otaknya udah beku kayak zombie. nggak bisa tuh tipikal kristen tolol bisa berdebat, seperti contohnya tulisan si item muke kontol diatas. tipikal kristen tolol seperti si item muke kontol udah kebiasaan dicekokin dogma omong kosong di agama kristen ama pendetanya seperti tuhan jesus orang bule, tuhan jesus pecundang tolol yang modar disalib, sehingga kalo ngomong tentang quran makin tolol. kenapa nggak lu ngomong sekalian masa iddah untuk laki2? kan laki2 belum mens, bahkan nggak pernah mens. > Silakan aja orang Islam yg merasa lebih pintar dr yg bikin tafsir kaing2 > kayak > anjing kejepit buntut. > orang islam tuh baca quran selalu pake akal, nggak seperti zomboie kristen kayak elu yang baca alkitab nggak pernah pake akal. makanya, oranng kristen kalo udah ngomong alkitab selalu ngacir terkaing-kaing kayak muridnya tuhan jesus yang lari terkencing-kencing meninggalkan tuhan jesus ketika dikejar tentara roma. coba lu pake akal elu, kalo murid2nya tuhan jesus percaya dan beriman kepada tuhan jesus, lalu kenapa tuh murid2nya tuhan jesus lari ngacir terkencing-kencing kayak anjing meninggalkan tuhan jesus? > > > > > > > From: rezameutia > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 7:14:46 AM > Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > > > 65:4. Dan perempuan-perempuan yang tidak haid lagi (monopause) di antara > > perempuan-perempuanmu jika kamu ragu-ragu (tentang masa iddahnya), maka > > masa > > iddah mereka adalah tiga bulan; dan begitu (pula) perempuan-perempuan yang > > tidak haid. Dan perempuan-perempuan yang hamil, waktu iddah mereka itu > > ialah > > sampai mereka melahirkan kandungannya. Dan barang siapa yang bertakwa > > kepada > > Allah, niscaya Allah menjadikan baginya kemudahan dalam urusannya. > > > > ayat ini udah jelas mengatakan jika pada saat terjadi perceraian bagi > perempuan > menopause, atau bagi perempuan yang sedang mens ataupun tidak sedang mens, > maka > masa iddahnya 3 bulan dan kalo perceraiannya terjadi ketika perempuan itu > sedang > hamil, maka masa iddahnya menunggu sampai perempuan tersebut melahirkan > bayinya. > > nggak ada yang mengatakan tentang pedopil dengan ayat ini. > > > Ayat 65:4 ini bilang bhw cewek yg ga haid itu punya masa iddah 3 bln. Buat > > yg > >ga > > > > tau, masa iddah itu adalah perioda dimana bini yg dicerai hrs nunggu > > sebelum > > bisa menikah lagi. Tapi kalo si bini belum pernah diembat, maka ga perlu > > nunggu > > > > masa iddah, bisa langsung kawin lagi. > > > > Artinya, semua cewek yg punya masa iddah itu sdh pernah diembat sebelumnya > > oleh > > > > lakinya. > > > > wah.., udah mulai ngayal. > elu ngayal bikin arti sendiri bininya belum pernah di entot. > > sekarang gini aja, bagaimana mungkin lu kawin tapi bininya nggak pernah > dientot? > jadi istri lu nggak pernah diembat dan cuman dijilatin doang sampe sekarang? > > gw baru denger ada orang kawin tapi bininya nggak pernah dientot seperti si > item > muke kontol ini. kesian banget bini lu. > > hehehe > > > Tafsir bilang bhw, hehhe cewek yg belum mens itu jg termasuk yg dpt > > masa > > iddah di 65:4. Artinya, anak2 ingusan yg belum mens itu halal diembat. > > > > hehehe > > sekarang elu ngayalnya makin ngawur lagi. > nggak ada ayat tersebut menyinggung masalah anak ingusan yang belum pernah > mens. > ini kan omongan dari elu sendiri yang emang pikirannya pedopil karena > keseringan > baca alkitab. > > si item anjing sipit bawa ayat qs al thalaaq 65:4 dan karena bacanya nggak > bener > karena matanya kerlalu sipit lalu ngayal sendiri tentang ayat tersebut, > bilang > ada bininya nggak pernah diembat dan nambahin anak ingusan yang belum mens. > > padahal, ayat itu sangat jelas membela kepentingan perempuan dengan > mengatakan > bahwa jika terjadi perceraian maka ada masa iddah selama 3 bulan dan jika > sedang > hamil maka masa iddahnya sampai kelahiran bayinya. > > hal ini jelas, jika perempuan tersebut kawin lagi dan mengandung maka tidak > terjadi keraguan bahwa anak yang dikandungnya adalah anak dari suami yang > baru. > > > gitu aja kok arti bunyinya ayat ini, plain anda simple. > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email |
Re: [proletar] Liburan dan laki-laki
Tak seperti biasanya kali ini kami berangkat ke dusun kami lebih awal sehari. Kamis sore kami sudah meluncur berhubung Jumat besok adalah hari perayaan kematian tuhan yang mati dibunuh. Libur nasional. =Ini kisah cerita sungguhan asik,gaya ceritanya mirip buatan AA navis +/-kalau tidak salah ingat judulnya disurau kami begitulah nasib umat kalau manusia/nabi dibilang tuhan. Tiga hari dikampung memang mengasyikan. Diluar kegiatan2 rutin bertandang kerumah sanak famili, hari-hari saya isi dengan membawa anak saya yang masih lima tahun melihat-lihat alam pedusunan. Udara terasa segar memenuhi rongga paru-paru. Pada hari Jumat, saya membawa anak saya shalat Jumat di Masjid yang agak jauh letaknya dari lokasi rumah panggung kami. Masjid itu amat berkesan bagi saya. Umur masjid itu sudah tua. Dibangun pada akhir abad ketujuhbelas dan tetap awet hingga sekarang. Entah sudah berapa generasi orang-orang shalat didalamnya. Setiap kali berkunjung kesana, yang terasa adalah wibawa Masjid yang mendamaikan hati. Disamping Masjid itu terdapat kolam ikan yang dialiri air pegunungan. =Ini hanya dugaan saya saja,keseluhan cerita anda mengambil kota padang sebagai latar belakang,pernah sewaktu saya anak2 membaca kisah sebuah masjid di-sumatra barat yang dimukanya ada sebuah kolam dan banyak ikan2 turun temurun hidup damai dikolam itu tampa diganggu.oleh manusia. dan mereka yang datang kerap membawa umpan/makanan untuk ikan2 tersebut Pulang dari Masjid kami berdua anak beranak sengaja berjalan agak memutar melewati pasar Jumat. Pasar tradisional itu sudah sepi karena waktu transaksinya yang hanya tiap Jumat pagi itu –makanya disebut Pasar Jumat-- sudah ditutup. Amai-Amai pedagang tampak sudah mengemasi barang dagangannya. Beberapa pedagang yang lain tampak bersenda gurau sesama mereka. Seorang yang saya kenal melambaikan tangan mengharapkan saya mampir, yang segera saya balas dengan lambaian pula sembari menyahut “lain kali angku…”. Maklum,ikan bilih goreng balado sudah menunggu pula dirumah hehehe. =Tentu bukan ikan2 yang hidup dipelataran kolam mesjid itu yang di baladokan?" Disudut pasar tampak seorang laki-laki tua –sekitar 70 tahun-- menggerutu tak habis2nya. Arah pembicaraannya tak karuan. Menceracau saja mulutnya. Segala isi kebun binatang keluar dari mulutnya: anjing, babi…... Jelaslah laki-laki tua itu sudah tak beres otaknya. Wajahnya depresi. Celana training dekil yang dikenakannya sudah memudar. Rambutnya yang gondrong awut-awutan menggimbal tak pernah terkena shampo menambah jelas gambaran penderitaan jiwanya. Tetapi yang paling menarik dari tingkah laku laki-laki tua gila itu adalah jam tangan kebesaran yang dikenakannya. Tiap sebentar jam tangan mati itu diliriknya, seolah-olah ada urusan penting yang sedang memburunya. Lalu dia merepet-repet lagi. Sesekali ia senyum tersengeng sembari sedikit menganggukan kepala kepada setiap orang yg melintas didepannya seolah2 ia seorang gentleman. Begitu terus berulang-ulang. Laki-laki tua yang malang. =Dikisah AA navis orang tersebut bertugas sebagai peng-asah pisau warga setempat juga sebagai jagal/pemotong ayam tugas harian nya Konon kabarnya, laki-laki tua itu dimasa mudanya normal-normal saja walau kadang-kadang menyebalkan juga lantaran banyak cakap. Kualitas otaknya biasa-biasa saja untuk ukuran dusun kami, kalau tak hendak dikatakan dibawah rata-rata. Tetapi entah kenapa dia berambisi pula menjadi seorang intelektuil terpandang seperti Bung Hatta, maka jadilah ia merantau hendak melanjutkan pendidikan. Nasib baik, ia bisa masuk perguruan tinggi di negeri orang. Entah apa kemudian yang terjadi, mungkin karena otaknya tak sanggup menerima ilmu pengetahuan atau karena memang sudah bakat, tiba-tiba ia pulang kekampung dalam kondisi kejiwaan yang semakin lama semakin menyedihkan. Ah, begitulah nasib orang kalau tak pandai-pandai mengukur bayangan sepanjang badan. =Malah di akhir cerita orang tersebut membabi buta menggorok warga2 setempat. --- On Sun, 4/24/11, PAREWA wrote: From: PAREWA Subject: [proletar] Liburan dan laki-laki To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 8:06 PM Tak seperti biasanya kali ini kami berangkat ke dusun kami lebih awal sehari. Kamis sore kami sudah meluncur berhubung Jumat besok adalah hari perayaan kematian tuhan yang mati dibunuh. Libur nasional. Tiga hari dikampung memang mengasyikan. Diluar kegiatan2 rutin bertandang kerumah sanak famili, hari-hari saya isi dengan membawa anak saya yang masih lima tahun melihat-lihat alam pedusunan. Udara terasa segar memenuhi rongga paru-paru. Pada hari Jumat, saya membawa anak saya shalat Jumat di Masjid yang agak jauh letaknya dari lokasi rumah panggung kami. Masjid itu amat berkesan bagi saya. Umur masjid itu sudah tua. Dibangun pada akhir abad ketujuhbelas dan tetap awet hingga sekarang. Entah sudah berapa generasi orang-orang shalat
Re: [proletar] kalau maestro bernyanyi
Apakah manusia hidup dibumi dikotak2an/dikurung seperti di kebon binatang ?..hehe...hewan buas bukan tandingan manusia, mahluk tercerdas di bumicontoh sederhana aquarium itu cobalah untuk dilihat dengan lebih seksamaikan paling mulia yg tau benar dan salah ribut terus hanya untuk cari muka kepada sipemilik aquarium... -Original Message- From: Led Zeppelin Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:30:03 To: Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [proletar] kalau maestro bernyanyi Saya juga setuju tapi tidak untuk contoh akuarium&warna-warni ikan2 itu kenapa tidak kebon binatang saja,dimana pemangsa&mangsa dipisahkan,saya kira terlalu kecil untuk melihat kehidupan kita yang maha luas ini dengan sekotak akuarium --- On Mon, 4/25/11, ajeg wrote: From: ajeg Subject: Re: [proletar] kalau maestro bernyanyi To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 25, 2011, 11:12 AM Kalau begitu cocok apa kata Teddy, manusia pun banyak kelemahannya. Bahkan bisa lebih lemah dari binatang dalam urusan mengendalikan diri. Karena itu agama pernah bilang, perang terdahsyat adalah perang melawan diri sendiri. --- "widura" wrote: > Tentu saja ikan hias tersebut sudah dipilih yg paling mulia > diantara lainnya, yg tau benar dan salah..tapi diantara mereka > malah sok cari muka ke saya, sebagai pemilik aquarium, dgn merasa > paling hebat dan paling nurut ke saya...padahal semua yg saya > pelihara disana saya harapkan bisa hidup damai...dan saya ngga > perlu cari mukanya itu...jengkel memang menyaksikannya..udah coba > saya "sentil" supaya gak ribut tapi masih aja ribut > terus...akhirnya saya pisahkan yg arogan bersama kelompoknya agar > tidak terjadi keributan...eh ternyata dikoloni mereka yg sudah > dipisahkan tersebut, masih juga mereka ribut menyerang satu sama > lain karena merasa mereka dan kelompoknya yg paling nurut sama > saya...bener2 bikin repot... > -Original Message- > From: "ajeg" > > > Tergantung jenis ikannya. > > Kalau warna-warni itu terkumpul di satu ekor ikan > > cupang, ya berabelah dunia aquarium. Apalagi kalau > > aquarium diisi ikan cupang semua. > > > > Lucu nih, kemarin ada yang jengkel sama guru agama, > > sekarang ada yang jengkel sama ikan. Tapi yang dijadiin > > sasaran pelampiasan malah agama. > > > > --- "widura" wrote: > > > > > Saya punya aquarium dan saya isi dgn ikan hias sejenis beragam > > > warna : hitam, merah, kuning, dan putih serta diberi hiasan > > > natural agar lebih nyaman...harapan saya ikan tersebut hidup > > > damai bersama dalam satu wadah...tapi ternyata ada yg merasa > > > paling berkuasa lalu mengganggu yg lainnya yg asik mencari > > > makan kesana kemarijengkel sekali saya melihat ikan seperti > > > itu...tidak seperti yg diharapkan utk hidup dama bersama > > -Original Message- > > From: "Teddy S." > > > > > Namanya juga manusia yang punya banyak kelemahan-kelemahan. > > > > > > --- "widura" wrote: > > > > > > > Kita bisa saksikan kelakuan orang2 bertuhan ini dengan > > > > gamblang dan jelas dalam aksi2 mereka...hehehe...hanya > > > > merusak nurani saja > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] 3 New Parties Registered for 2014 Elections
DPR itu bukan Dewan Pemberi Rejeki, tapi Dewan Perampok Rakyat. From: sunny To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 5:39:35 AM Subject: [proletar] 3 New Parties Registered for 2014 Elections Refleksi : Ayo, ayo, mari ramai-ramai calonkan diri menjadi anggota Dewan Pemberi Rejeki (DPR), bila dipilih rakyat datang rejeki nomplok, gaji besar, uang lauk pauk, uang bawah mejah, uang dalam envelop, dapat mobil baru, laptop baru, tamasya ke luarnegeri dengan alasan studi banding dan gaji jalan terus tanpa perlu hadir pada pekerjaan. http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/3-new-parties-registered-for-2014-elections/437389 3 New Parties Registered for 2014 Elections Markus Junianto Sihaloho | April 25, 2011 Three new political parties on Monday officially registered themselves to be able to participate in the 2014 elections. The three parties are the National Unity Party, the National Democrat (Nasdem) Party and the National Republic (Nasrep) Party. JG Photo/Yudhi Sukma Wijaya Three new political parties officially registered themselves on Monday to participate in the 2014 legislative and presidential polls, an official said. Asyari Sihabudin, the Justice and Human Rights Ministry's director of state administrative affairs, identified the latest additions to the political landscape as the National Unity Party, the National Democrat Party and the National Republic Party. Although the National Democrat Party used a similar logo as an organization founded by Golkar Party senior executive and media magnate Surya Paloh - the National Democrats (Nasdem) - the party registered Patrice Rio Capella as its chairman and Ahmad Rofik as its secretary general. "They will submit more documents to us before we further verify their status," Asyari said. The National Republic Party first moved into the spotlight on Friday when one of its senior executives, retired Maj. Gen. Edi Waluyo, said the party's founders had discussed the need for a new political party in Indonesia with the youngest son of longtime ruler Suharto, Hutomo "Tommy" Mandala Putra. The National Republic Party 's inaugural meeting in Jakarta that day was dominated by pictures of a sunglasses-wearing Tommy. Tommy's efforts to re-enter politics through the chairmanship of Golkar - which was long the political vehicle of his father - failed to materialize because of a lack of support in 2009. Nothing was immediately known of the other new party, the National Unity Party. A senior member of Paloh's National Democrats, Ferry Mursyidan Baldan, confirmed that Patrice and Rofik were members of the organization. Patrice ran as a legislative candidate for the National Mandate Party (PAN) during the last election, while Rofik is a former secretary general of the National Sun Party (PMB). However, the secretary general of Nasdem, Syamsul Muarif, said Paloh and his organization had nothing to do with the National Democrat Party 's official registration on Monday. "I have never signed any documents that are required to establish a new political party because the result of our national congress was clear - that Nasdem will not take part in the coming elections as a political party," Syamsul said. However, he added that Paloh and other Nasdem leaders never prohibited members of the organization from privately forming a new political party to contest the 2014 elections. Almost half of the Nasdem membership wanted the organization to turn into a political party, he said. "They don't need our permission to use a similar name and symbol to register a new political party. Even though the name is similar to ours, [the party] is not our Nasdem," he said. Syamsul also stressed that it was impossible for Paloh, himself and the organization's other key officials to become members of the new political party. "We are still members of the Golkar Party. The law forbids anyone from being a member of two political parties at the same time," he said. Golkar secretary general Idrus Marham said he was not afraid the three new parties would threaten Golkar's stability. "Rather than thinking about them, it's better for us to focus on working for the people, implementing the policies the people expect from the government," Idrus said. However, Idrus warned any Golkar members planning to join new political parties to first resign from Golkar, as that was required by law. Join the debate online at thejakartaglobe.com or e-mail yourv...@thejakartaglobe.com (Please give your name & location) Want to comment on this or other stories today? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner
Re: [proletar] Shia mosque demolitions raise tension in Bahrain
A religious book lies on top of stones next to a carpet, branches of a palm tree and parts of a gate of a mosque, one of three reduced to rubble next in a residential area. Itu sih Quran, bukan sekedar a religious book. Jadi ngehina Quran tuh. Ayo, bantai aja orang2 Kristen krn ngehina Quran di Bahrain. Eh salah, maksud ane, orang2 Sunni. From: sunny To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 4:36:27 AM Subject: [proletar] Shia mosque demolitions raise tension in Bahrain Refleksi : Allah berada di pihak siapa, Shia ataukah Sunni? http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/22/shia-mosque-demolitions-raise-tension-in-bahrain.html Shia mosque demolitions raise tension in Bahrain Reuters April 22.2011 NUWAIDRAT: Two bulldozers and two large trucks are busy removing a large pile of stones, wood and prayer carpets on a large square - all that remains of a small Shia mosque in the Sunni-ruled kingdom of Bahrain. "Do you see this? This was a mosque until this week. They destroyed it," said a Shia man, stopping his car in this poor Shia village outside the capital Manama to point to another heap of masonry, where residents say another mosque once stood. A religious book lies on top of stones next to a carpet, branches of a palm tree and parts of a gate of a mosque, one of three reduced to rubble next in a residential area. "It was an old mosque," said the driver, who like other residents declined to give his name for fear of reprisals. Last month the royal family in Bahrain, home to the US Navy's Fifth Fleet, quelled mainly Shia protests inspired by Arab revolts elsewhere, declaring martial law and calling in troops from Saudi Arabia and other Sunni-ruled Gulf neighbours. Hundreds of Shia have been detained and others fired from public sector jobs, the opposition says. The government says it targets only people who committed crimes in the unrest. Now majority Shia say the authorities have begun pulling down their mosques, a policy likely to inflame sectarian tensions further among the island's 600,000 nationals. The Justice Ministry acknowledges that what it calls illegally built structures, which it does not refer to as mosques, are being torn down. "The ministry will provide legal alternatives for buildings with a license for those cabins and facilities being removed," it said on its website. A Shia mosque administrator, who gave his name only as Ali, said the religious authorities "didn't have a clue" when he called them to inquire about the demolitions. "The next day another mosque was gone here," he said, drinking tea with other residents in the shade of a house wall. "Security troops and civil defence personnel came in the night with bulldozers and removed this mosque." Faisal Fulad, of the Bahrain Human Rights Watch Society, a Sunni politician close to government thinking, denied the policy was discriminatory. Large or old mosques were not affected. "These are small mosques, buildings built there without papers," he said. "If you want to build a church in Germany or England you need to apply for a license," he said. Angry Shia But villagers in Nuweidrat, a decrepit place a half-hour's drive from Manama but a world away from its fancy hotels and bars, feel the demolitions typify anti-Shia prejudice. "They destroyed the mosques because we are Shia," said one man, sitting on the ground with a circle of friends. Majority Shia have long complained of sectarian discrimination in a country where the hardline Sunni prime minister, the king's uncle, has held his post for four decades. "The destroyed mosques all had electricity and were registered with the proper authority," said a man in his 40s. The main opposition group Wefaq, which withdrew its 18 deputies in protest against the crackdown, said some 25 Shia mosques had been razed since then. "Some mosques were 20 or 30 years old, some had an older heritage," said a Wefaq leader, Sheikh Ali Salman, adding that some might have existed before the government required licences. Daniel Williams at New York-based Human Rights Watch (HRW) said he was surprised by the government's sudden interest in mosque licences when it was busy with security issues. "The government knew about these mosques. They tolerated them for a long time," Williams said. "The sudden action makes it suspicious. This is not an isolated incident." On Thursday, Amnesty International said government opponents faced a "relentless and violent crackdown" in Bahrain. Checkpoint abuses The Shia mosque demolitions are taking place while the government is trying to show that life has returned to normal. Pro-government media quote officials, businessmen and expatriates thanking security forces for ending the unrest. The king has ordered compensation for soldiers and security staff wounded in the protests, including housing and other benefits for their families, state me
Re: [proletar] Jpordan Times: At least 25 killed as Syrian tanks storm Daraa'
Coba kalo Amrik atau Israel yg ngelakukan, orang Islam udah akan kaing2 kayak anjing kejepit buntut. Tp krn yg ngebunuh itu orang Islam, maka orang Islam akan tutup mulut selamanya, doa besar tuh ngomongin keburukan sesama islam. Dan jg, auloh itu ketawa2 ngeliat orang islam bunuh2an, jadi kan hrs ngehibur auloh. Jadi, kapan nih orang islam di Indonesia bunuh2an jg antar sesama Islam? From: Jusfiq To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 4:19:09 AM Subject: [proletar] Jpordan Times: At least 25 killed as Syrian tanks storm Daraa' At least 25 killed as Syrian tanks storm Daraa' DAMASCUS (AFP) - Thousands of Syrian troops backed by tanks stormed the flashpoint town of Daraa on Monday killing at least 25 people, witnesses said, as a leading rights activist accused Damascus of opting for a "military solution" to crush dissent. Troops also launched assaults on the Damascus suburbs of Douma and Al Maadamiyeh, witnesses said, as the head of the UN human rights agency slammed what she called the security forces' disregard for human life. A military official later said that troops entered Syria's flashpoint southern town of Daraa on Monday at the request of citizens to hunt "extremist terrorist groups". "In response to calls for help from the inhabitants of Daraa, who urged the armed forces to intervene and the killings and destruction by extremist terrorist groups, units entered Daraa this morning to restore calm and security," state television quoted a military official as saying. "The army is now pursuing these groups with the help of the security forces and has arrested several of them and seized large quantities of weapons and ammunition," a statement said. "As a result of the confrontations there were a number of martyrs in the ranks of the army and the security forces," it said, adding that an unspecified number of suspects were "killed and wounded". The United States, which has repeatedly denounced Syria's repression of the protests, was considering sanctions against Damascus, an official in Washington said. Activist Abdullah Abazid told AFP by telephone from Daraa that Syrian forces were pounding the southern town near the border with heavy artillery and that "at least 25 martyrs have fallen". "There are still bodies sprawled in the streets," he said, with the sound of loud explosions and gunfire in the background. A group of activists said in a statement to media that "more than 25 people fell but no one could reach them because of the heavy shelling" and that only seven bodies were retrieved. They were identified by name and included a father and his two sons, said the statement which accused Syrian troops of firing indiscriminately with anti-aircraft guns. "The commander of the Third Army Corps, Kamal Ayyash, a citizen of Daraa, was arrested because he protested against the killings," the statement said. A resident earlier said he witnessed five people killed when their car was raked with fire in Daraa, where Syria's unprecedented anti-regime protests erupted six weeks ago. Abazid said Daraa was "like being in a battlefield". The army seized at least two mosques in the town as well as the cemetery where scores of people killed in anti-regime protests have been buried, activists said. The assault began at dawn when 3,000 to 5,000 army and security forces swooped down on Daraa, with tanks taking up position in the town centre and snipers deploying on rooftops, activists said. "The minarets of the mosques are appealing for help. The security forces are entering houses. There is a curfew and they fire on those who leave their homes. They even shot at water tanks on roofs to deprive people of water," said a witness. A massive crackdown was also under way in Douma, a large suburb in northern Damascus, and nearby Al Maadamiyeh, said activists reached by telephone. "The situation is dramatic. Patrols man each alleyway and prevent people from going out even to buy bread," one resident reached by AFP said. "Even funerals of youths killed on Friday and Saturday were not held," he added. Schools stayed closed and civil servants were unable to go to work. An activist from Douma said security forces "surrounded a mosque and are firing indiscriminately. Streets are cut off from each other and Douma is isolated from the outside world". There have been sweeping arrests in Douma since Sunday, he added. Some 390 people have been killed in security crackdowns since the protests erupted, rights activists and witnesses say. Rami Abdel Rahman, a prominent rights activist, told AFP that Monday's crackdown showed Damascus had decided to crush the protests militarily. "It is clear that the Syrian authorities have taken a decision for a military and security solution," Abdel Rahman, head of the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, told AFP. In Washington, US National Security
Re: [proletar] Re: Selain Suryana, apa ada orang Nasrani yang tukang fitnah disini?
Orang Islam itu jg senang dikibuli koq, mereka akan nelan mentah2 apa aja yg dicekoki ke mereka oleh ustad selama bunyinya enak dan ngejilat pantat nabi, ga mikir sama sekali ocehan itu benar atau cuma kibulan. Makin hebat ngejilat pantat nabi, makin tinggi keIslamannya, hehehe... From: Jusfiq To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 4:14:11 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Selain Suryana, apa ada orang Nasrani yang tukang fitnah disini? Salah satu masaalah besar dengan adab Islam adalah bahwa mereka TIDAK mengenal "golden rule".. Misalnya, mereka tidak senang dikibuli dan didustai, tapi mereka rata-rata rajin ngibul dan berdusta... Mereka menolak difitnah, tapi rata-rata mereka rajin memfitnah... Jadi mereka tidak berkesempatan untuk memperbaiki diri mereka dan hingga sekarang adab islam itu tetap saja buas, kejam, keji, zalim, ganas dan biadab.. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > Ada jg sih orang2 "Kristen" yg bejad, misalnya di milis lain ada orang > Katolik > yg bilang bhw gua akan dpt musibah sebelum Natal krn gua nunjukin kekonyolan > ajaran Katolik. Lalu ada jg yg maki2 ga keruan kayak kaing2 dr orang Islam > kejepit buntut. > > Tp emang cuma orang Islam aja sbg penganut agama yg benar yg secara serempak > jadi tukang fitnah, termasuk jg orang Islam ogah dimasukin ke dlm golongan >orang > > islam kayak si habe dan ayub_yahya. Kelompok tukang fitnah yg disebut sbg > gerombolan Islam plus. > > > > > > > From: Jusfiq > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 6:43:59 PM > Subject: [proletar] Selain Suryana, apa ada orang Nasrani yang tukang fitnah > disini? > > > > Selain Suryana, apa ada orang Nasrani yang tukang fitnah disini? > > Sedangkan peserta yang menganut agama Islam itu rata-rata adalah bajingan > pendusta dan bangsta tukang fitnah. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] 3 New Parties Registered for 2014 Elections
Refleksi : Ayo, ayo, mari ramai-ramai calonkan diri menjadi anggota Dewan Pemberi Rejeki (DPR), bila dipilih rakyat datang rejeki nomplok, gaji besar, uang lauk pauk, uang bawah mejah, uang dalam envelop, dapat mobil baru, laptop baru, tamasya ke luarnegeri dengan alasan studi banding dan gaji jalan terus tanpa perlu hadir pada pekerjaan. http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/3-new-parties-registered-for-2014-elections/437389 3 New Parties Registered for 2014 Elections Markus Junianto Sihaloho | April 25, 2011 Three new political parties on Monday officially registered themselves to be able to participate in the 2014 elections. The three parties are the National Unity Party, the National Democrat (Nasdem) Party and the National Republic (Nasrep) Party. JG Photo/Yudhi Sukma Wijaya Three new political parties officially registered themselves on Monday to participate in the 2014 legislative and presidential polls, an official said. Asyari Sihabudin, the Justice and Human Rights Ministry's director of state administrative affairs, identified the latest additions to the political landscape as the National Unity Party, the National Democrat Party and the National Republic Party. Although the National Democrat Party used a similar logo as an organization founded by Golkar Party senior executive and media magnate Surya Paloh - the National Democrats (Nasdem) - the party registered Patrice Rio Capella as its chairman and Ahmad Rofik as its secretary general. "They will submit more documents to us before we further verify their status," Asyari said. The National Republic Party first moved into the spotlight on Friday when one of its senior executives, retired Maj. Gen. Edi Waluyo, said the party's founders had discussed the need for a new political party in Indonesia with the youngest son of longtime ruler Suharto, Hutomo "Tommy" Mandala Putra. The National Republic Party 's inaugural meeting in Jakarta that day was dominated by pictures of a sunglasses-wearing Tommy. Tommy's efforts to re-enter politics through the chairmanship of Golkar - which was long the political vehicle of his father - failed to materialize because of a lack of support in 2009. Nothing was immediately known of the other new party, the National Unity Party. A senior member of Paloh's National Democrats, Ferry Mursyidan Baldan, confirmed that Patrice and Rofik were members of the organization. Patrice ran as a legislative candidate for the National Mandate Party (PAN) during the last election, while Rofik is a former secretary general of the National Sun Party (PMB). However, the secretary general of Nasdem, Syamsul Muarif, said Paloh and his organization had nothing to do with the National Democrat Party 's official registration on Monday. "I have never signed any documents that are required to establish a new political party because the result of our national congress was clear - that Nasdem will not take part in the coming elections as a political party," Syamsul said. However, he added that Paloh and other Nasdem leaders never prohibited members of the organization from privately forming a new political party to contest the 2014 elections. Almost half of the Nasdem membership wanted the organization to turn into a political party, he said. "They don't need our permission to use a similar name and symbol to register a new political party. Even though the name is similar to ours, [the party] is not our Nasdem," he said. Syamsul also stressed that it was impossible for Paloh, himself and the organization's other key officials to become members of the new political party. "We are still members of the Golkar Party. The law forbids anyone from being a member of two political parties at the same time," he said. Golkar secretary general Idrus Marham said he was not afraid the three new parties would threaten Golkar's stability. "Rather than thinking about them, it's better for us to focus on working for the people, implementing the policies the people expect from the government," Idrus said. However, Idrus warned any Golkar members planning to join new political parties to first resign from Golkar, as that was required by law. Join the debate online at thejakartaglobe.com or e-mail yourv...@thejakartaglobe.com (Please give your name & location) Want to comment on this or other stories today? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo
[proletar] Iranian ayatollah: Saudis are as bad as Terry Jones for destroying Shi'ite mosques in Bahrain
Hehehe jadi orang Islam yg soleh dan bertaqwa dr Saudi itu ngebakar Quran dan mesjid Shia Kapan nih orang Islam Indonesia jadi sama solehnya ngebakar Quran dan mesjid Shia, kan Ahmadiyah udah dibantai, Shia nunggu giliran. Iranian ayatollah: Saudis are as bad as Terry Jones for destroying Shi'ite mosques in Bahrain "Today Masjids are razed and Qur'ans are burnt by those who claim they respect and defend Islam and Qur'an...the heinous act is not acceptable at all." Sunni-Shi'ite Jihad Update: "Grand Ayatollah Golpaigani Slams Sacrilegious Acts in Bahrain," from the Ahlul Bayt News Agency, April 25: (Ahlul Bayt News Agency) - Grand Ayatollah Lotfollah Safi Golpaigani has condemned burning Quran and demolishing Masjids by Al-Khalifa Regime and Saudi forces. >“Today Masjids are razed and Qur'ans are burnt by those who claim they >respect >and defend Islam and Qur'an,” the Grand Ayatollah said, adding that "the >heinous act is not acceptable at all." >The senior Shia Cleric called these sacrilegious acts rare in the history and >underlined,” those who claim to have defended Qur'an now are rebelling >against >Islam.” >“These groups are following what the American Pastor [Terry Jones] did and >are >committing the same sacrilegious act which is too rare in the history,” the >Grand Ayatollah underscored. >“Al-Khalifa Regime and Saudi ruler sold out their humanity and today they show >the world their real nature and no doubt they will pay for their >wrong-doings.”...Posted by Robert on April 25, 2011 8:13 AM | 6 Comments > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] kalau maestro bernyanyi
Saya juga setuju tapi tidak untuk contoh akuarium&warna-warni ikan2 itu kenapa tidak kebon binatang saja,dimana pemangsa&mangsa dipisahkan,saya kira terlalu kecil untuk melihat kehidupan kita yang maha luas ini dengan sekotak akuarium --- On Mon, 4/25/11, ajeg wrote: From: ajeg Subject: Re: [proletar] kalau maestro bernyanyi To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 25, 2011, 11:12 AM Kalau begitu cocok apa kata Teddy, manusia pun banyak kelemahannya. Bahkan bisa lebih lemah dari binatang dalam urusan mengendalikan diri. Karena itu agama pernah bilang, perang terdahsyat adalah perang melawan diri sendiri. --- "widura" wrote: > Tentu saja ikan hias tersebut sudah dipilih yg paling mulia > diantara lainnya, yg tau benar dan salah..tapi diantara mereka > malah sok cari muka ke saya, sebagai pemilik aquarium, dgn merasa > paling hebat dan paling nurut ke saya...padahal semua yg saya > pelihara disana saya harapkan bisa hidup damai...dan saya ngga > perlu cari mukanya itu...jengkel memang menyaksikannya..udah coba > saya "sentil" supaya gak ribut tapi masih aja ribut > terus...akhirnya saya pisahkan yg arogan bersama kelompoknya agar > tidak terjadi keributan...eh ternyata dikoloni mereka yg sudah > dipisahkan tersebut, masih juga mereka ribut menyerang satu sama > lain karena merasa mereka dan kelompoknya yg paling nurut sama > saya...bener2 bikin repot... > -Original Message- > From: "ajeg" > > > Tergantung jenis ikannya. > > Kalau warna-warni itu terkumpul di satu ekor ikan > > cupang, ya berabelah dunia aquarium. Apalagi kalau > > aquarium diisi ikan cupang semua. > > > > Lucu nih, kemarin ada yang jengkel sama guru agama, > > sekarang ada yang jengkel sama ikan. Tapi yang dijadiin > > sasaran pelampiasan malah agama. > > > > --- "widura" wrote: > > > > > Saya punya aquarium dan saya isi dgn ikan hias sejenis beragam > > > warna : hitam, merah, kuning, dan putih serta diberi hiasan > > > natural agar lebih nyaman...harapan saya ikan tersebut hidup > > > damai bersama dalam satu wadah...tapi ternyata ada yg merasa > > > paling berkuasa lalu mengganggu yg lainnya yg asik mencari > > > makan kesana kemarijengkel sekali saya melihat ikan seperti > > > itu...tidak seperti yg diharapkan utk hidup dama bersama > > -Original Message- > > From: "Teddy S." > > > > > Namanya juga manusia yang punya banyak kelemahan-kelemahan. > > > > > > --- "widura" wrote: > > > > > > > Kita bisa saksikan kelakuan orang2 bertuhan ini dengan > > > > gamblang dan jelas dalam aksi2 mereka...hehehe...hanya > > > > merusak nurani saja > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re:[proletar] lagi, mengkaji guru
Begini, saya coba mengikuti pemikiran wawan tentang apa yang disebut 'agama' - yang rupanya terbatas hanya pada label-label terkenal terutama Kristen & Islam. Buat dia, jangankan dongeng, apapun yang berbau 'agama' seolah nggak bersisa setitik pun kebaikannya. =Di Barat sejak zaman modern diskursus agama berpindah dari tangan teolog ke tangan para filosof/pemikir bebas. pernyataan theology was subservient to philosophy atau under the tutelage of philosophy adalah realitas yang tidak disesali. Artinya teologi menjadi bulan-bulanan para filosof. Untuk sekedar menyebut beberapa nama; Sartre, Heidegger, Jung, Ludwig Feurbach, William James Nietzsche, Kant dan lain-lain, adalah filosof-filosof yang bicara soal agama padahal mereka tidak punya otoritas untuk bicara teologi. Ini jelas terlalu mengada-ada untuk orang yang katanya pernah nyantri di pesantren. Untuk apa membakar rumah yang sudah tidak kita sukai - apalagi kalau belum punya tempat berteduh lain. =Terus terang saja maaf sebelum nya wawan itu kan pemeluk katolik yang ekting seperti orang islam,padahal agama aslinya budhis. Nggak lain nggak bukan, saya mengajak wawan untuk nggak mbakar rumah yang pernah ditempati, seburuk apa pun pengalaman selama tinggal di sana. Kebiasaan bakar-bakar seperti itu akan terbawa ke mana pun dia "berteduh". =Percuma toh rumah yang di bakar itu bukan rumah nya dia juga tidak ''pernah'' apalagi ''berada'' & menempati rumah tsb Terbukti, wawan membangun analisis yang dengan sendirinya terbakar jadi abu. Tapi ya terserah kalau memang suka ngerjain hal yang sia-sia. =Para pakar prol-pun ikut-ikutan membawa agama ke ranah mereka menggunakan teori evolusi Charles Darwin,untuk menjustifikasi adanya perubahan dalam agama Herbert Spencer juga mengikuti. Friedrich Max Muller,Emile Durkheim. Rudolf Otto&dan lain-lain mengaitkan agama dengan realitas sosial. Soal tolol enggaknya suatu dongeng saya sependapat sama sampeyan. Tergantung bagaimana orang memahami posisi dongeng tersebut. Jadi, daripada meributkan benar-tidaknya dongeng itu terjadi, lebih baik melihat kegunaannya. Memberi inspirasikah, sekedar menghiburkah, atau justru meneror dsbkah. =Akhirnya, wacana keagamaan mereka itu tidak lagi bisa disebut teologi mereka lalu menciptakan apa yang mereka sebut philosophy of religion adalah suatu disiplin ilmu yang metode dan basis teorinya adalah filsafat Barat. obyeknya adalah semua agama. maka ketika mereka membahas agama-agama itu worldview BARAT berada pada posisi bird-eye. Doktrin filsafat berada di atas doktrin agama-agama. Di sini pembahasan agama berada pada zone bebas agama tapi tidak bebas dari worldview Barat. Bagaimanapun, kitalah yang berhak menentukan posisi dongeng itu berdasarkan pengetahuan & pengalaman yang kita punya. Jangan malah mabuk, hilang kesadaran, lantas menempatkan si pendongeng seolah dia sedang berwahyu / berfirman sehingga kata-katanya pun harus ditelan dengan patuh, dan menjadikan kata-katanya (dongeng itu) sebagai satu-satunya kebenaran, betapapun tololnya dia mendongeng. =Jadi ini hanya akan menambah badut2 barisan penggugat fatwa MUI artinya dari prodi ini akan banyak pluralis yang akan percaya bahwa semua agama itu sama/theosopi dan Islam bukan yang paling benar Tegesipun, nggih cekap semanten rumiyin. Dumugi kraos, mangertos, ngantos ngemut mentos, adios amigos.. --- On Mon, 4/25/11, ajeg wrote: From: ajeg Subject: Re:[proletar] lagi, mengkaji guru To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 25, 2011, 11:53 AM Begini, saya coba mengikuti pemikiran wawan tentang apa yang disebut 'agama' - yang rupanya terbatas hanya pada label-label terkenal terutama Kristen & Islam. Buat dia, jangankan dongeng, apapun yang berbau 'agama' seolah nggak bersisa setitik pun kebaikannya. Ini jelas terlalu mengada-ada untuk orang yang katanya pernah nyantri di pesantren. Untuk apa membakar rumah yang sudah tidak kita sukai - apalagi kalau belum punya tempat berteduh lain. Nggak lain nggak bukan, saya mengajak wawan untuk nggak mbakar rumah yang pernah ditempati, seburuk apa pun pengalaman selama tinggal di sana. Kebiasaan bakar-bakar seperti itu akan terbawa ke mana pun dia "berteduh". Terbukti, wawan membangun analisis yang dengan sendirinya terbakar jadi abu. Tapi ya terserah kalau memang suka ngerjain hal yang sia-sia. Soal tolol enggaknya suatu dongeng saya sependapat sama sampeyan. Tergantung bagaimana orang memahami posisi dongeng tersebut. Jadi, daripada meributkan benar-tidaknya dongeng itu terjadi, lebih baik melihat kegunaannya. Memberi inspirasikah, sekedar menghiburkah, atau justru meneror dsbkah. Bagaimanapun, kitalah yang berhak menentukan posisi dongeng itu berdasarkan pengetahuan & pengalaman yang kita punya. Jangan malah mabuk, hilang kesadaran, lantas menempatkan si pendongeng seolah dia seda
[proletar] Militants wanted to film Indonesian church bomb
http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Militants-wanted-to-film-Indonesian-church-bomb-1348083.php#ixzz1KZ236A4V Militants wanted to film Indonesian church bomb NINIEK KARMINI, Associated Press Updated 07:31 a.m., Friday, April 22, 2011 JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) - Islamic militants involved in a plot to bomb an Indonesian church ahead of Easter celebrations wanted to film and broadcast the inferno, which would have occurred as thousands of people were arriving for services, police said Friday. The plot, uncovered Thursday, has put the nation in a state of high alert with hundreds of thousands of police deployed at churches, 20,000 in the capital alone. Maj. Gen. Anton Bachrul Alam, spokesman for the national police, said the 19 suspects who led authorities to bombs planted beneath a gas pipeline near the Christ Cathedral Church just outside of Jakarta did not appear to be part of any large, existing terrorist organization. Other bombs were left in bags not far from the entrance. "At this moment, it looks like a new cell," Alam told reporters Friday, adding that the suspects, all in their 30s and many of them university graduates, told police they had been planning to film the fiery explosion. "They wanted to make a movie and then broadcast it ... that was the plan," he said. Indonesia, a secular nation with more Muslims than any other in the world, has been battling extremists since 2002 when al-Qaida-linked militants attacked two nightclubs on Bali island, killing 202 people, many of them foreign tourists. Several attacks since then targeted glitzy hotels, restaurants and an embassy, but have been much less deadly and the last occurred two years ago. In recent months, militants have shifted their focus. In seeking to carve out a Muslim state, their main enemies now are security forces who have spearheaded the anti-terror fight, the country's moderate Muslim leaders, members of "deviant" sects, and Christians. Individual "jihadis" and small cells with little or no directive from larger terror groups have attacked police posts, sent mail bombs and carried out the country's first suicide bombing at a mosque. Alam said the terror suspects arrested Thursday - including some who were allegedly involved in earlier attacks - said they got their inspiration and bomb-making skills from books and other hard-line literature. He said they had tested some explosives - including bombs weighing up to 175 pounds (80 kilograms) - last month. The bombs, safely diffused after a painstaking 10 hours on Thursday, had been rigged to go off at 9 a.m. Friday, just as services at the 3,000-seat Catholic church were beginning. Worshippers were not deterred, filing into the targeted Christ Cathedral Church in Serpong and others nationwide on Friday. "If we didn't come today ... the terrorists would just be laughing happily," said Grace Lianawati, who was accompanied by her family. "We're just grateful that the government foiled this plot," she added. "Just imagine how bad it could have been." Ninety percent of Indonesians are Muslim, with most practicing a moderate form of the faith and abhorring violence. A small, extremist fringe has become more vocal, and violent, in recent years Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Militants-wanted-to-film-Indonesian-church-bomb-1348083.php#ixzz1KZipFU6n [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Capturing bin Laden 'would unleash hell'
http://www.theage.com.au/world/capturing-bin-laden-would-unleash-hell-20110426-1dub7.html Capturing bin Laden 'would unleash hell' London April 26, 2011 - 12:55AM The mastermind of the 9/11 attacks warned that al-Qaeda has hidden a nuclear bomb in Europe which will unleash a "nuclear hellstorm" if Osama bin Laden is captured, leaked files reveal. The terror group also planned to make a 9/11 style attack on London's Heathrow airport by crashing a hijacked airliner into one of the terminals, the files showed. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed told Guantanamo Bay interrogators the terror group would detonate the nuclear device if the al-Qaeda chief was captured or killed, according to the classified files released by the WikiLeaks website. Advertisement: Story continues below Sheikh Mohammed, the self-professed mastermind of the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States, has been held at Guantanamo since 2006 and is to be tried in a military court at the US naval base on Cuba over the attacks. His nuclear threat was revealed in Britain's Daily Telegraph newspaper, one of several media outlets which have published the classified assessments of detainees at Guantanamo. The German weekly Der Spiegel, also citing WikiLeaks, said that Sheikh Mohammed had told his interrogators he had set up two cells for the purpose of attacking Heathrow in 2002. The aim was to seize control of an airliner shortly after take-off from Heathrow, one of the world's busiest aiports, turn it around and crash it into one of the four terminals. Sheikh Mohammed said one cell had been formed with the aim of taking flying lessons in Kenya, while the other had been tasked with recruiting participants. He said the plot had been discussed several times at the highest level of al-Qaeda. One component had involved the infiltration of ground staff at the airport, according to Der Spiegel. Another attack given the green light in late 2001 would have targeted "the tallest buildings in California" with hijacked airliners, Der Spiegel reported. The attackers would have gained access to the airliner cockpits by setting off small bombs hidden in their shoes, it said. Sheikh Mohammed, captured in 2003 in Pakistan, also claims to have personally beheaded US journalist Daniel Pearl in 2002 with his "blessed right hand" and to have helped in the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing that killed six people. Der Spiegel noted that his "confessions" should have be treated with caution as they could have been extracted through torture. Sheikh Mohammed is known to have undergone the method known as "waterboarding". Former US president George Bush claimed in his memoirs published last year that using the interrogation technique - which simulates drowning - helped prevent planned attacks on Heathrow and London's Canary Wharf business district. He also told the London Times newspaper in November that it was "damn right" that he had authorised use of the method on Sheikh Mohammed. AFP Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/capturing-bin-laden-would-unleash-hell-20110426-1dub7.html#ixzz1KZgp3InS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] 500 Taliban escape jail
http://www.smh.com.au/world/500-taliban-escape-jail-20110425-1du31.html 500 Taliban escape jail April 26, 2011 Nearly 500 Taliban prisoners have escaped from Kandahar prison in southern Afghanistan through a tunnel hundreds of metres long, officials say. The Taliban said they were behind it and all those who escaped were members of the militant Islamist organisation. ''A tunnel hundreds of metres long was dug from the south of the prison into the prison and 476 political prisoners escaped last night,'' said prison director General Ghulam Dastageer Mayar. The acting police chief of Kandahar, Shair Shah Yousufzai, confirmed the escape. It is the second major escape in three years from Kandahar prison. In 2008, 1000 prisoners, including Taliban militants, escaped after the Taliban used a truck bomb to blow open the gates. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/500-taliban-escape-jail-20110425-1du31.html#ixzz1KZeHfaBs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Shia mosque demolitions raise tension in Bahrain
Refleksi : Allah berada di pihak siapa, Shia ataukah Sunni? http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/22/shia-mosque-demolitions-raise-tension-in-bahrain.html Shia mosque demolitions raise tension in Bahrain Reuters April 22.2011 NUWAIDRAT: Two bulldozers and two large trucks are busy removing a large pile of stones, wood and prayer carpets on a large square - all that remains of a small Shia mosque in the Sunni-ruled kingdom of Bahrain. "Do you see this? This was a mosque until this week. They destroyed it," said a Shia man, stopping his car in this poor Shia village outside the capital Manama to point to another heap of masonry, where residents say another mosque once stood. A religious book lies on top of stones next to a carpet, branches of a palm tree and parts of a gate of a mosque, one of three reduced to rubble next in a residential area. "It was an old mosque," said the driver, who like other residents declined to give his name for fear of reprisals. Last month the royal family in Bahrain, home to the US Navy's Fifth Fleet, quelled mainly Shia protests inspired by Arab revolts elsewhere, declaring martial law and calling in troops from Saudi Arabia and other Sunni-ruled Gulf neighbours. Hundreds of Shia have been detained and others fired from public sector jobs, the opposition says. The government says it targets only people who committed crimes in the unrest. Now majority Shia say the authorities have begun pulling down their mosques, a policy likely to inflame sectarian tensions further among the island's 600,000 nationals. The Justice Ministry acknowledges that what it calls illegally built structures, which it does not refer to as mosques, are being torn down. "The ministry will provide legal alternatives for buildings with a license for those cabins and facilities being removed," it said on its website. A Shia mosque administrator, who gave his name only as Ali, said the religious authorities "didn't have a clue" when he called them to inquire about the demolitions. "The next day another mosque was gone here," he said, drinking tea with other residents in the shade of a house wall. "Security troops and civil defence personnel came in the night with bulldozers and removed this mosque." Faisal Fulad, of the Bahrain Human Rights Watch Society, a Sunni politician close to government thinking, denied the policy was discriminatory. Large or old mosques were not affected. "These are small mosques, buildings built there without papers," he said. "If you want to build a church in Germany or England you need to apply for a license," he said. Angry Shia But villagers in Nuweidrat, a decrepit place a half-hour's drive from Manama but a world away from its fancy hotels and bars, feel the demolitions typify anti-Shia prejudice. "They destroyed the mosques because we are Shia," said one man, sitting on the ground with a circle of friends. Majority Shia have long complained of sectarian discrimination in a country where the hardline Sunni prime minister, the king's uncle, has held his post for four decades. "The destroyed mosques all had electricity and were registered with the proper authority," said a man in his 40s. The main opposition group Wefaq, which withdrew its 18 deputies in protest against the crackdown, said some 25 Shia mosques had been razed since then. "Some mosques were 20 or 30 years old, some had an older heritage," said a Wefaq leader, Sheikh Ali Salman, adding that some might have existed before the government required licences. Daniel Williams at New York-based Human Rights Watch (HRW) said he was surprised by the government's sudden interest in mosque licences when it was busy with security issues. "The government knew about these mosques. They tolerated them for a long time," Williams said. "The sudden action makes it suspicious. This is not an isolated incident." On Thursday, Amnesty International said government opponents faced a "relentless and violent crackdown" in Bahrain. Checkpoint abuses The Shia mosque demolitions are taking place while the government is trying to show that life has returned to normal. Pro-government media quote officials, businessmen and expatriates thanking security forces for ending the unrest. The king has ordered compensation for soldiers and security staff wounded in the protests, including housing and other benefits for their families, state media said on Friday. Sunni rights activists acknowledge some violations by security forces that should be investigated, but say the crackdown was needed to stop chaos after radical Shia parties called for the overthrow of the ruling Khalifa family. "Like in any other country you need to restore stability," said Fulad. "The radical parties stole the demands of others." Moderate Shia also accept that some Sunnis had suffered some Shia violence which should be investigated, but point to what they say is random sectarian mistreatment of Shia. "L
[proletar] Toilet gas' blast damages Peshawar police station
http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/25/four-injured-in-attack-on-peshawar-police-station.html 'Toilet gas' blast damages Peshawar police station AFP The explosion took place inside Gulbahar police station in Peshawar. - AP (File Photo) PESHAWAR: A seemingly accidental blast that Pakistani police blamed on "toilet gases" damaged a police station in the city of Peshawar on Monday, injuring at least five people. A police official initially said the blast occurred in a room used to store ammunition in the station in the neighbourhood of Gulbahar in the main city in Pakistan's Taliban-infested northwest. But the Peshawar police chief later told incredulous reporters on television that dodgy sewers were responsible for the collapse of one room and the partial damage of two others. Television footage showed civilians and policemen carrying injured people out on stretchers and ambulances rushing to the scene. Northwestern Pakistan is frequently hit by bomb attacks blamed on Islamist militants opposed to the government's alliance with the United States that have killed more than 4,200 people across the country since July 2007. But Peshawar city police chief Liaqat Ali blamed Monday's blast on "gases in the toilets". Asked if gases could be strong enough to demolish two rooms of a police station, he insisted: "It happens in many cases." Local administration official Muhammad Siraj Khan told AFP that a natural gas leak in the sewars within the police station caused the blast. "The blast triggered a fire in a nearby room which had electricity controls," he said. "Five people, including four policemen and one prisoner, were injured," he added. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] BBC: Libya: Berlusconi backs Nato strikes by Italy jets
25 April 2011 Last updated at 20:25 GMT Libya: Berlusconi backs Nato strikes by Italy jets Silvio Berlusconi, file pic from 22 April 2011 Mr Berlusconi informed US President Barack Obama of his government's decision in a phone call Italian PM Silvio Berlusconi has approved the use of his country's air force in Nato's Libya mission. Italy was ready to allow its jets to take "targeted military action", he said in a statement. Earlier, a Nato air strike badly damaged buildings in Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi's compound in Tripoli. Nato is enforcing a UN resolution to protect civilians in Libya amid a revolt that began in February, inspired by other uprisings in the Arab world. Mr Berlusconi announced the decision after a telephone call with US President Barack Obama, and would also call other European leaders to brief them personally, said his statement. Italy had previously said it would not take part in Nato-led air strikes, citing its 40-year colonial rule of Libya. Nato split The UK has for weeks called for more commitment from Nato members to the operation in Libya, but on Monday Russia said the Western military intervention risked fanning a series of civil wars across the Middle East. -- Analysis image of Duncan Kennedy Duncan Kennedy BBC News, Rome For weeks Italy has resisted joining the Nato-led air missions over Libya. It argued that, as the former colonial power in Libya, the political cost of causing casualties was too high. Last week the head of the rebel Transition National Council visited Rome to plead for a change of mind. Italy responded by saying it would join Britain and France in sending military advisers, but would do no more. Now Mr Berlusconi has signalled a major shift in policy, saying that Italy would take action against what he called specific military objectives in order to help protect the civilian population. The move is likely to be welcomed by Nato planners who had asked its members to offer additional resources to keep up the pressure on Col Gadaffi. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Western nations had sided with the Libyan rebels, leading to an expectation among rebel groups in the Middle East that foreign countries would help them to overthrow their governments. "This creates a very dangerous mood," said Mr Lavrov. "Unfortunately, it is probably contagious and it's popping up amongst protesters in other countries of this region with the hopes that they just need to aggravate the situation and then the international community will come to help, will take their side." Russia abstained from March's UN resolution authorising a no-fly zone to protect civilians, and correspondents say the Kremlin feels Nato's bombing campaign has gone beyond what the resolution is designed to do. Italy, France and Britain last week agreed to send military advisers to assist the Benghazi-based rebel Transitional National Council (TNC) in its battle against pro-Gaddafi forces. The US launched its first Predator drone strikes pro-Gaddafi military positions over the weekend, which the Libyan government denounced as crimes against humanity. 'Agents, traitors and spies' In some of the latest air raids by Nato jets, at least two missiles reportedly struck the Libyan leader's sprawling Bab al-Azizia compound early on Monday. Mourners attend the funeral of a group of family members killed by shelling in Misrata, Libya, 25 April Human rights groups say more than 1,000 people have been killed in Misrata Correspondents said the blasts they caused were among the biggest explosions in the capital so far. Government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim said Col Gaddafi was in a safe place and that his morale remained after what he called "an attempt to assassinate the leader and other political leaders of this country". Mr Ibrahim said the air strike - which he described as "an act of terrorism" - killed three people and wounded 45. Col Gaddafi's son, Saif al-Islam, condemned the "cowardly" attack. "You, Nato, are surrounded by agents, traitors and spies, while Muammar Gaddafi is surrounded by millions," he said. "So I tell you now that you are losing the battle. History has proved that no state can rely on them to win." The BBC's Ian Pannell in Tripoli said the damaged buildings appeared to be the same ones that Col Gaddafi used to host a recent visit by an African Union peace mission. The attack prompted three Libyan TV stations to go off-air for a brief period. Nato says it has been actively targeting command and control positions in Libya Three more loud blasts were reported in the capital on Monday night, although further details were not available. Monday saw further fighting in the rebel-held city of Misrata, which has been besieged by government forces for two months. At the weekend, the regime claimed to have suspended operations in the western coastal city, and its forces withdrew in places, says the BBC's Orla Guerin. Si
[proletar] Jordan Times: At least 25 killed as Syrian tanks storm Daraa'
At least 25 killed as Syrian tanks storm Daraa' DAMASCUS (AFP) - Thousands of Syrian troops backed by tanks stormed the flashpoint town of Daraa on Monday killing at least 25 people, witnesses said, as a leading rights activist accused Damascus of opting for a "military solution" to crush dissent. Troops also launched assaults on the Damascus suburbs of Douma and Al Maadamiyeh, witnesses said, as the head of the UN human rights agency slammed what she called the security forces' disregard for human life. A military official later said that troops entered Syria's flashpoint southern town of Daraa on Monday at the request of citizens to hunt "extremist terrorist groups". "In response to calls for help from the inhabitants of Daraa, who urged the armed forces to intervene and the killings and destruction by extremist terrorist groups, units entered Daraa this morning to restore calm and security," state television quoted a military official as saying. "The army is now pursuing these groups with the help of the security forces and has arrested several of them and seized large quantities of weapons and ammunition," a statement said. "As a result of the confrontations there were a number of martyrs in the ranks of the army and the security forces," it said, adding that an unspecified number of suspects were "killed and wounded". The United States, which has repeatedly denounced Syria's repression of the protests, was considering sanctions against Damascus, an official in Washington said. Activist Abdullah Abazid told AFP by telephone from Daraa that Syrian forces were pounding the southern town near the border with heavy artillery and that "at least 25 martyrs have fallen". "There are still bodies sprawled in the streets," he said, with the sound of loud explosions and gunfire in the background. A group of activists said in a statement to media that "more than 25 people fell but no one could reach them because of the heavy shelling" and that only seven bodies were retrieved. They were identified by name and included a father and his two sons, said the statement which accused Syrian troops of firing indiscriminately with anti-aircraft guns. "The commander of the Third Army Corps, Kamal Ayyash, a citizen of Daraa, was arrested because he protested against the killings," the statement said. A resident earlier said he witnessed five people killed when their car was raked with fire in Daraa, where Syria's unprecedented anti-regime protests erupted six weeks ago. Abazid said Daraa was "like being in a battlefield". The army seized at least two mosques in the town as well as the cemetery where scores of people killed in anti-regime protests have been buried, activists said. The assault began at dawn when 3,000 to 5,000 army and security forces swooped down on Daraa, with tanks taking up position in the town centre and snipers deploying on rooftops, activists said. "The minarets of the mosques are appealing for help. The security forces are entering houses. There is a curfew and they fire on those who leave their homes. They even shot at water tanks on roofs to deprive people of water," said a witness. A massive crackdown was also under way in Douma, a large suburb in northern Damascus, and nearby Al Maadamiyeh, said activists reached by telephone. "The situation is dramatic. Patrols man each alleyway and prevent people from going out even to buy bread," one resident reached by AFP said. "Even funerals of youths killed on Friday and Saturday were not held," he added. Schools stayed closed and civil servants were unable to go to work. An activist from Douma said security forces "surrounded a mosque and are firing indiscriminately. Streets are cut off from each other and Douma is isolated from the outside world". There have been sweeping arrests in Douma since Sunday, he added. Some 390 people have been killed in security crackdowns since the protests erupted, rights activists and witnesses say. Rami Abdel Rahman, a prominent rights activist, told AFP that Monday's crackdown showed Damascus had decided to crush the protests militarily. "It is clear that the Syrian authorities have taken a decision for a military and security solution," Abdel Rahman, head of the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, told AFP. In Washington, US National Security Council spokesperson Tommy Vietor said his government could respond to the "brutal violence" with sanctions. "The United States is pursuing a range of possible policy options, including targeted sanctions, to respond to the crackdown and make clear that this behaviour is unacceptable," said Vietor. "The Syrian people's call for freedom of expression, association, peaceful assembly, and the ability to freely choose their leaders must be heard." UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said the killings must stop. "Just a few days after the announcement of sweeping and important re
[proletar] Jpordan Times: At least 25 killed as Syrian tanks storm Daraa'
At least 25 killed as Syrian tanks storm Daraa' DAMASCUS (AFP) - Thousands of Syrian troops backed by tanks stormed the flashpoint town of Daraa on Monday killing at least 25 people, witnesses said, as a leading rights activist accused Damascus of opting for a "military solution" to crush dissent. Troops also launched assaults on the Damascus suburbs of Douma and Al Maadamiyeh, witnesses said, as the head of the UN human rights agency slammed what she called the security forces' disregard for human life. A military official later said that troops entered Syria's flashpoint southern town of Daraa on Monday at the request of citizens to hunt "extremist terrorist groups". "In response to calls for help from the inhabitants of Daraa, who urged the armed forces to intervene and the killings and destruction by extremist terrorist groups, units entered Daraa this morning to restore calm and security," state television quoted a military official as saying. "The army is now pursuing these groups with the help of the security forces and has arrested several of them and seized large quantities of weapons and ammunition," a statement said. "As a result of the confrontations there were a number of martyrs in the ranks of the army and the security forces," it said, adding that an unspecified number of suspects were "killed and wounded". The United States, which has repeatedly denounced Syria's repression of the protests, was considering sanctions against Damascus, an official in Washington said. Activist Abdullah Abazid told AFP by telephone from Daraa that Syrian forces were pounding the southern town near the border with heavy artillery and that "at least 25 martyrs have fallen". "There are still bodies sprawled in the streets," he said, with the sound of loud explosions and gunfire in the background. A group of activists said in a statement to media that "more than 25 people fell but no one could reach them because of the heavy shelling" and that only seven bodies were retrieved. They were identified by name and included a father and his two sons, said the statement which accused Syrian troops of firing indiscriminately with anti-aircraft guns. "The commander of the Third Army Corps, Kamal Ayyash, a citizen of Daraa, was arrested because he protested against the killings," the statement said. A resident earlier said he witnessed five people killed when their car was raked with fire in Daraa, where Syria's unprecedented anti-regime protests erupted six weeks ago. Abazid said Daraa was "like being in a battlefield". The army seized at least two mosques in the town as well as the cemetery where scores of people killed in anti-regime protests have been buried, activists said. The assault began at dawn when 3,000 to 5,000 army and security forces swooped down on Daraa, with tanks taking up position in the town centre and snipers deploying on rooftops, activists said. "The minarets of the mosques are appealing for help. The security forces are entering houses. There is a curfew and they fire on those who leave their homes. They even shot at water tanks on roofs to deprive people of water," said a witness. A massive crackdown was also under way in Douma, a large suburb in northern Damascus, and nearby Al Maadamiyeh, said activists reached by telephone. "The situation is dramatic. Patrols man each alleyway and prevent people from going out even to buy bread," one resident reached by AFP said. "Even funerals of youths killed on Friday and Saturday were not held," he added. Schools stayed closed and civil servants were unable to go to work. An activist from Douma said security forces "surrounded a mosque and are firing indiscriminately. Streets are cut off from each other and Douma is isolated from the outside world". There have been sweeping arrests in Douma since Sunday, he added. Some 390 people have been killed in security crackdowns since the protests erupted, rights activists and witnesses say. Rami Abdel Rahman, a prominent rights activist, told AFP that Monday's crackdown showed Damascus had decided to crush the protests militarily. "It is clear that the Syrian authorities have taken a decision for a military and security solution," Abdel Rahman, head of the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, told AFP. In Washington, US National Security Council spokesperson Tommy Vietor said his government could respond to the "brutal violence" with sanctions. "The United States is pursuing a range of possible policy options, including targeted sanctions, to respond to the crackdown and make clear that this behaviour is unacceptable," said Vietor. "The Syrian people's call for freedom of expression, association, peaceful assembly, and the ability to freely choose their leaders must be heard." UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said the killings must stop. "Just a few days after the announcement of sweeping and important re
[proletar] Re: Selain Suryana, apa ada orang Nasrani yang tukang fitnah disini?
Salah satu masaalah besar dengan adab Islam adalah bahwa mereka TIDAK mengenal "golden rule".. Misalnya, mereka tidak senang dikibuli dan didustai, tapi mereka rata-rata rajin ngibul dan berdusta... Mereka menolak difitnah, tapi rata-rata mereka rajin memfitnah... Jadi mereka tidak berkesempatan untuk memperbaiki diri mereka dan hingga sekarang adab islam itu tetap saja buas, kejam, keji, zalim, ganas dan biadab.. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu wrote: > > Ada jg sih orang2 "Kristen" yg bejad, misalnya di milis lain ada orang > Katolik > yg bilang bhw gua akan dpt musibah sebelum Natal krn gua nunjukin kekonyolan > ajaran Katolik. Lalu ada jg yg maki2 ga keruan kayak kaing2 dr orang Islam > kejepit buntut. > > Tp emang cuma orang Islam aja sbg penganut agama yg benar yg secara serempak > jadi tukang fitnah, termasuk jg orang Islam ogah dimasukin ke dlm golongan > orang > islam kayak si habe dan ayub_yahya. Kelompok tukang fitnah yg disebut sbg > gerombolan Islam plus. > > > > > > > From: Jusfiq > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 6:43:59 PM > Subject: [proletar] Selain Suryana, apa ada orang Nasrani yang tukang fitnah > disini? > > > > Selain Suryana, apa ada orang Nasrani yang tukang fitnah disini? > > Sedangkan peserta yang menganut agama Islam itu rata-rata adalah bajingan > pendusta dan bangsta tukang fitnah. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Student appeals expulsion over deviant relationship
http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article371910.ece Student appeals expulsion over deviant relationship By MUHAMMAD HUMAIDAN | ARAB NEWS Published: Apr 24, 2011 23:20 Updated: Apr 25, 2011 10:10 JEDDAH: A Saudi woman expelled from her college for having a lesbian relationship with her hostel supervisor has urged authorities to review the decision and allow her to continue her education. Speaking on a radio program recently, the girl who introduced herself as Sarah from Turaif who was in the final year of her course, said it was the hostel supervisor who started the relationship. "Unfortunately, the investigating committee did not take any action against the supervisor, who sent more than 1,000 love texts to my mobile in addition to written letters," she told the program. She admitted the relationship to the investigating committee while swearing by the Qur'an, but the supervisor denied it. "They rusticated me while I was in the final year of my studies. It is a harsh punishment. They should have imposed a softer punishment so that I could continue my studies," Sarah said. Abdul Qader Tankal, supervisor of safety and security at King Abdulaziz University, said the committee should have dealt with the issue more sensibly and provided the girl with necessary counseling with the help of educators and psychologists. He said expelling the girl created a new problem instead of resolving the issue. He said action should also be taken against the supervisor by college authorities on the basis of the girl's statement. He said lesbian relationships are quite common among girls in recent years because of the influence of satellite channels and the Internet. "When we observed a few cases in our university we dealt with them by providing necessary counseling. We also hold a number of lectures and other programs to protect girls from having such deviant relationships," he said. A number of psychologists told Arab News that lesbian relationships happen in schools and universities for many reasons, including a sexual identity crisis suffered by some girls. Some of them were victims of sexual abuse during their childhood and most of them do not want treatment to change their lesbian attitudes, they added. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Orang Islam udah pada terkapar dihadapan orang kafir seperti "item abu"
Orang Islam udah pada terkapar dihadapan orang kafir seperti "item abu".. Pada nggak bekutik lagi.. Kaing-kaing kayak anjing budug kena pentungpun tidak banyak lagi yang sanggup... Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Selain Suryana, apa ada orang Nasrani yang tukang fitnah disini?
Ada jg sih orang2 "Kristen" yg bejad, misalnya di milis lain ada orang Katolik yg bilang bhw gua akan dpt musibah sebelum Natal krn gua nunjukin kekonyolan ajaran Katolik. Lalu ada jg yg maki2 ga keruan kayak kaing2 dr orang Islam kejepit buntut. Tp emang cuma orang Islam aja sbg penganut agama yg benar yg secara serempak jadi tukang fitnah, termasuk jg orang Islam ogah dimasukin ke dlm golongan orang islam kayak si habe dan ayub_yahya. Kelompok tukang fitnah yg disebut sbg gerombolan Islam plus. From: Jusfiq To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 6:43:59 PM Subject: [proletar] Selain Suryana, apa ada orang Nasrani yang tukang fitnah disini? Selain Suryana, apa ada orang Nasrani yang tukang fitnah disini? Sedangkan peserta yang menganut agama Islam itu rata-rata adalah bajingan pendusta dan bangsta tukang fitnah. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] KS Sebut 'Merah Putih' Itu Kain, Bukan Bendera +Penjelasan Tifatul Soal Insiden Merah Putih
Apa orang itu begitu tololnya shg ga bisa bedain antara kain dgn bendera? Kalo ada yg bisa anggap bhw itu adalah bendera yg diinjak, artinya itu memang bendera, bukan sekedar kain. PKS ini emang bajingan pengkhianat bangsa, musuh negara RI. From: sunny To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 2:56:24 PM Subject: [proletar] KS Sebut 'Merah Putih' Itu Kain, Bukan Bendera +Penjelasan Tifatul Soal Insiden Merah Putih Refleksi : Tentu hasrat PKS bendera negara harus dasarnya hijau seperti bendera Arab Sauda dengan tulisan huruf arab dan gambar pedang. Masih lumayan dibilang Merah Putih itu kain, bukan kain kafir. Tetapi bagaimana kalau Merah Putih itu dibuat dari besi, apakah juga dibilang bukan bendera tetapi sekeping besi? Taiful Sembiring dan sobat-sobat PKS cs harus berikan contoh baik nan bagus yakni bukan saja mengenai masalah bendera , tetapi juga cara berpakain, tutup aurat alias garabeya atau jubah agar cocok dengan bendera yang dikehendaki. Buanglah jauh-jauh dasi dan jas model bintang film kafir. Lihat kaum wanita, sebahagian dari mereka sudah berpakaian tutup aurat, koq yang laki-laki petinggi negara masih tertinggal dengan berpakain a la kafir. . http://www.tempointeraktif.com/hg/politik/2011/04/25/brk,20110425-329734,id.html PKS Sebut 'Merah Putih' Itu Kain, Bukan Bendera Senin, 25 April 2011 | 00:54 WIB TEMPO/Fahmi Ali TEMPO Interaktif, Jakarta - Partai Keadilan Sejahtera (PKS) menegaskan, insiden teatrikal di peringatan ulang tahun (Milad) ke-13 partai mereka di Tasikmalaya, Jawa Barat, Ahad (24/4) berlangsung pada sehelai kain, bukan simbol negara yaitu bendera Merah Putih. "Karena spontan, maka tarian dilakukan dilakukan di luar gedung GOR. Namun, tak disangka di ujung tarian ada kain seperti bendera merah putih terinjak peserta tari." kata Wakil Sekjen PKS Mahfudz Siddiq dalam keterangan tertulisnya kepada wartawan, Ahad (24/4). Mahfudz menegaskan, aksi teatrikal itu tak bermaksud melecehkan bendera merah putih sebagai simbol negara. Aksi itu tak lebih dari upaya sumbangan spontan para siswa SMU Muttaqien yang diundang ke acara itu. "Ini mengejutkan. Atas inisiatif panitia, Ketua Panitia saudara Tono yang juga Ketua DPD PKS Tasikmalaya akhirnya memberikan keterangan di kantor polisi," kata Mahfudz. Atas insiden tersebut, polisi setempat setidaknya telah memeriksa 10 penari. Selain memeriksa para penari, polisi juga menyita kain merah putih sepanjang 2 x 6 meter dan alat peraga lain. Polisi mendapat penjelasan, aksi itu dilakukan untuk seni dan tidak ada maksud melecehkan simbol negara. Kepolisian, kata Mahfudz lagi, sudah bisa menerima penjelasan itu. " Kapolres bisa menerima penjelasan panitia," kata Mahfudz. " Kami pun demikian dengan penyumbang tarian, juga meminta maaf." FEBRIYAN | MAHARDIKA | WDA ++++ http://www.tempointeraktif.com/hg/politik/2011/04/25/brk,20110425-329743,id.html Penjelasan Tifatul Soal Insiden Merah Putih Senin, 25 April 2011 | 05:50 WIB Tifatul Sembiring. TEMPO/Imam Sukamto TEMPO Interaktif, Jakarta - Anggota Majelis Syuro Partai Keadilan Sejahtera (PKS) Tifatul Sembiring meminta maaf atas terjadinya insiden merah putih di Tasikmalaya. Lewat akun Twitter-nya @tifsembiring, PKS berjanji akan lebih ketat mengontrol acara-acara sensitif yang bisa menimbulkan kesalahpahaman masyarakat. Sebuah insiden terjadi di peringatan ulang tahun (Milad) ke-13 PKS di Tasikmalaya, Jawa Barat, pada Minggu (24/4). Sebanyak 8 siswi SMA Al Muttaqin menginjak-injak kain merah putih berukuran 2 x 6 meter ketika sedang melakukan aksi teatrikal. Polisi kemudian menghentikan Milad tersebut dan meminta keterangan para siswi, termasuk panitia penyelenggara. Setelah itu, mereka dilepas. Polisi mendapat penjelasan, aksi itu dilakukan untuk seni dan tidak ada maksud melecehkan simbol negara. "DPD PKS Tasikmalaya dan DPW PKS Jawa Barat telah menyampaikan permohonan maaf karena kekeliruan sumbangan acara tersebut," tulis Tifatul Sembiring, mantan Presiden PKS di akun Twitter-nya 9 jam lalu. Berikut 6 poin penjelasan Tifatul soal insiden kain Merah Putih tersebut lewat akun Twitter-nya. 1. Ini sedikit penjelasan panitia soal bendera: setiap tahun selalu diadakan acara Milad, termasuk di DPD PKS #Tasik. #MiladPKS 2. Pada acara Milad kali ini DPD PKS #Tasik juga melibatkan masyarakat selain kader PKS seperti pelajar SMU, anak jalanan, pengamen, dan sebagainya. 3. Salah satunya putri-putri SMU At Muttaqien menyumbang tarian teatrikal membawa kain besar, yang dibimbing para guru mereka. #MiladPKS #Tasik 4. Dalam teatrikal tersebut, bendera besar tadi terinjak-injak. Melihat kejadian tersebut, polisi menyetop acara tersebut dan memeriksa PJ-nya. #Tasik 5. DPD PKS Tasikmalaya dan DPW PKS Jawa Barat telah menyampaikan permohonan maaf karena kekeliruan sumbangan acara tersebut
Re: [proletar] Re: lagi, mengkaji guru
Pernah dengar cerita Sulaiman yg punya tentara manusia, binatang dan jin? Sulaiman itu dongengnya bisa ngerti bahasa binatang termasuk bisa mendengar omongan semut, padahal semut itu komunikasinya pake bau, bukan suara. Ada ratu Sheba yg begitu tololnya sampe mikir lantai di istana Sulaiman itu kolam, lalu si ratu ini ngangkat gaunnya spy ga basah dan kliatan kakinya yg berbulu. Ada jg jin2 tolol yg terus kerja buat Sulaiman setelah Sulaiman mati krn si Sulaiman terus duduk nongkrong di kursinya sekian lama, jin2 itu baru sadar bhw Sulaiman udah mati setelah tongkat yg dipegang Sulaiman itu jatuh. Ini dongeng yg bagus di Quran, cuma aja dongeng ini cuma hasil contekan dr kitab dongeng orang lain. Tp yg gua anggap dongeng paling lucu di Quran itu adalah kisah auloh jadi satpam di langit, ceritanya ada yg lagi ngadain meeting di sorga, lalu jin2 pengen nguping, maka jin2 itu salling berdiri di atas jin lain dr bumi sampe ke langit (ini ada di hadis) spy bisa nguping meeting. Maka auloh jadi satpam dgn ngelemparin meteor ke jin2 tsb, spy meetingnya bisa terus jalan. Sampe sekarang auloh masih sibuk jadi satpam ngelemparin meteor buat ngusir jin2, mungkin meetingnya masih terus berlangsung hehehe Ga heran tuh kalo si Muhammad dibilang tukang dongeng, tukang nyontek dan orang gila, baca aja dongeng2 di Quran. From: Wong To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 12:57:21 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: lagi, mengkaji guru Bukan begitu, masalahnya sampeyan menunjuk ada guru ngaji yang mengajar dengan dongengan tolol, nah saya minta klarifikasi apa yang sampeyan maksud dengan dongengan tolol tsb Dongeng tentang Israk Miraj dan Musa saya maksudkan hanya sebagai pintu masuk agar kita bisa ada obrolan yang mengalir. Karena nyatanya memang kisah dari kitab suci sering dijadikan landasan untuk mengambil keputusan. Ndak usah jauh jauhlah, di milis prol ini saja, pak Tawang (di manakah beliau sekarang) sering menilai bangsa Yahudi sebagai bangsa yang mrusal, hanya karena dalam kitab suci AlQuran bangsa Yahudi sering dikisahkan melakukan pembangkangan dan mbalelo terhadap perintah Tuhan. Apakah kisah dalam kitab suci itu benar benar terjad?, menurut pamahaman saya, menganggap kisah dalam kitab suci adalah kisah yang betul betul terjadi adalah perbuatan tolol, tentu akan menjadi super mega tolol apa bila kisah2 tsb dijadikan landasan untuk menghaikimi suatu kaum. Tapi kalo ternyata dongengan tolol yang sampeyan maksud bukan seprti itu, atao sampeyan punya pengertian atao versi lain tentang dongengan tolol, ya silahkan ditulis saja. Monggo dipun babar, kulo lenggah midangetaken. Rahayu --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ajeg" wrote: > > > Jadi betul, kesel sama guru agama dulu? :) > > Bicara kalao, taruhlah sampeyan murid dan saya gurunya. > Taruhlah saya cerita Isra Miraj Israel ulet bulu kidul persis > seperti maunya sampiyan di bawah. Lalu apa sampeyan percaya > cuma saya satu-satunya sumber cerita tsb di dunia ini? > > --- "Wong" wrote: > > > Bagaimanakah seharusnya guru agama mengajar? Kalao sampeyan menjadi > > guru ngaji bagaimanakah sampeyan akan mengajari para santri tentang > > Israk Miraj dimana di kisahkan bahwa nabi Muhammad melakukan > > perjalanan dalam sekejap naik Buroq dari Masjidil Haram ke > > Masijidil Aqso terus ke Sidratul muntaha bertemu dengan Alloh untuk > > menerima perintah solat. Apakah ini yang sampeyan maksud sebagai > > dongengan tolol. Karena sesungguhnya cerita hanyalah sebuah cerita > > fiksi yang jelas tidak masuk akal > > > > Atau sampeyan akan membuat rasionalisasi, misalnya dengan > > mengatakan, Buroq itu memang hanya kiasan, Buroq itu bermakna mlebu > > sak jroning rok atao masuk kedalam baju wanita, yang berarti nabi > > Muhammad sesungguhnya tidak kemana mana tetapi berdiam di rumah > > istrinya, tapi nabi Muhammad melamun dan menghayal bisa terbang > > kemana mana. Namanya juga menghayal maka tidak heran dalam sekejap > > dia bisa berada di Masjidil Harom kemudian sekejap berikutnya ke > > Masjidil Aqso dan seterusnya, wong namanya juga melamun. > > > > Jika sampeyan menjadi guru ngaji, bagaimanakah sampeyan akan > > menjelaskan kepada para santri tentang eksodus bangsa Israel dari > > Mesir menuju tanah perjanjian yang dipimpin oleh Musa. Dimana > > dikisahkan dalam pelarian itu Musa memukulkan tongkatnya ke laut > > kemudain laut itu terbelah menjadi seperti daratan sehingga bangsa > > Israel bisa menyeberang dengan selamat. Inikah kisah dongengan > > tolol yang sampeyan maksudkan? > > > > Apakah sampeyan akan mengatakan kepada para santri bahwa kisah ini > > hanyalah fiksi, sebab mana mungkin ada tongkat yang ajaib seperti > > tongkat Musa. Keajaiban tongkat Musa hanya bisa ditandingi oleh > > senjata yang fiktif juga milik prabu Kresna yaitu sebuah senjata > > Cakra, keajaiban Cakra sungguh ngedab ngedabi, saking hebatnya > > senjata ini b
Re: [proletar] pertanda, alamat, sign
Begitulah. Orang kadang terjebak jadi caveman untuk menelusuri lagi langkah-langkah yang pernah terjadi. Tetirah ke masa lalu. Sisi lain dari DWL awal April itu adalah intronya yang ngingetin ma'e pada intro Allways Have yang bikin do'i bernapsu 'nembakin' gua pake The Sign + Someone dll. Rentetan retreat yang bawa kami berdua tetirah ke luka lama dengan tenang & senang.. bisa ngetawain diri sendiri sampe malemnya bisa nebus Cavatina yang tertunda.. ;) Ngomong soal sign yang lain, itu piala raja yang kegiles bus pertanda apa kira-kira? hehe.. Oke deh, slamet ngetight & fight (kalo butuh Luger atau Magnum kontak omar aja) * np: The Juvenile telling us the right to choose if we have no choice it's so explosive any day will burst into a fire come down and guide us before it is too late --- "liver_duke" wrote: > hmmm .. begini toh, dance with lion ;o) > > tapi untuk sementara ini blum bisa ditanggapi, maka > posting ini untuk ngasih tanda (marked) aja dulu yag. > kudu bikin telaahan dulu untuk besok yg dua kabupaten > mo asistensi buat kelarin perda rtrw-nya (uu 26 / 2007). > > taon 2011 ini kayaknya bakal terus tight, termasuk persiapan > ambil brevet penyidik sekaligus lisensi buat nenteng bareta ;o) > > > --- "ajeg" wrote: > > > Trims. > > > > Tadi sore pas lagi nggak ada acara dan kebetulan > > ujan gede pula, jadi sempet kejebak suasana tol tempohari, > > dan.. mumpung belom kena tagih duke nih, hehe.. > > > > Ayo dong bagi-bagi setorinya sama lagu ini atau sama > > lagu lain. Atau yang tanpa lagu juga boleh. > > > > --- "rezameutia" wrote: > > > > > tulisan cakeep... > > > > > > > > > --- "ajeg" wrote: > > > > > > > Purbaleunyi menuju Bandung disiram hujan. Semakin ke sana > > > > semakin deras dan akhirnya lebat berdebam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebuah perjalanan yang mirip tarian bersama kucing. > > > > Mengandung bahaya namun indah menyenangkan. > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5fRVm3k1aY > > > > > > > > > > > > Buat yang pernah (atau masih) doyan dugeman pasti punya > > > > setori dengan ini lagu. Ayo dibagi-bagi ceritanya. Yang > > > > derita kek, yang ceria kek, pokoknya berceritalah seolah > > > > besok matahari nggak terbit lagi, hehe.. > > > > > > > > catetan, > > > > untuk dapetin sensasinya biarkan suara bas meledak-ledak di > > > > ruangan - kalau bisa ya pas ujan juga.. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] France24: Yemeni forces open fire on protesters in deadly crackdown
Latest update: 25/04/2011 Yemeni forces open fire on protesters in deadly crackdown Yemeni forces shot at demonstrators Monday, killing at least 2, as thousands gathered in several cities across the country, rejecting a plan for a gradual transition of power and demanding President Ali Abdullah Saleh's immediate resignation. By News Wires (text) AFP - Yemeni security forces and loyalists of embattled President Ali Abdullah Saleh shot dead two protesters and wounded scores in separate demonstrations on Monday, medics and witnesses told AFP. "Security forces shot dead a protester and wounded 30 others, eight of them by live rounds," a medical source in Ibb, south of Sanaa, told AFP. At least 30 others needed treatment for tear gas inhalation, witnesses said. In the southeastern province of Al-Baida, gunmen "belonging to the ruling party" opened fire at a sit-in, killing one protester, according to a witness. Another witness identified the victim as Salem Abdullah. In Taez south of the capital, police and "gunmen in civilian clothes" opened fire with live rounds and tear gas, wounding 50 protesters, 25 with bullets, and leaving at least 250 suffering from breathing problems, witnesses said. They said hundreds of thousands of people had gathered in the flashpoint city to pressure Saleh to step down immediately despite a US-backed Gulf plan for a transition of power. The protesters, who have been demonstrating across Yemen since late January, rallied against a Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) plan under which Saleh would quit in 30 days with immunity from prosecution. "No rest, no respite for the executioner," they shouted. The witnesses said security forces erected concrete barriers to block roads leading to the Taez governor's office and also deployed armoured vehicles. In Sanaa, where demonstrators calling for Saleh's ouster have staged a sit-in at a square since February, thousands of teachers -- both men and women -- marched on the education ministry. "No studying, no teaching until the downfall of the president," they chanted. Witnesses said thousands of people also protested in Mukalla in southeast Yemen and in the Red Sea city of Al-Hudaydah. However, no clashes were reported in Sanaa or the other two cities. Residents in Al-Hudaydah said troops from the Republican Guard, which is headed by Saleh's son Ahmed, surrounded the local air base of a dissident unit led by General Ahmed al-Sanhani. Anti-Saleh protests, in which more than 130 people have been killed since January, have led to defections and clashes within the army. But the Republican Guard has remained loyal to Saleh. The latest flare-up of violence came as the United States urged a peaceful transition after Saleh's ruling General People's Congress said on Saturday it accepted the GCC transition plan drawn up by Yemen's oil-rich Gulf neighbours. But demonstrators on Monday carried banners reading "No negotiations, no dialogue." They also held Bahraini flags in a show of solidarity with pro-democracy demonstrators in the kingdom, who were the target of a bloody crackdown by security forces in mid-March. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] CNN: UAE detains 5 said to oppose government
UAE detains 5 said to oppose government >From Jenifer Fenton, CNN April 25, 2011 -- Updated 1605 GMT (0005 HKT) STORY HIGHLIGHTS * NEW: Elections to a national advisory board have been scheduled for September * NEW: UAE authorities recently dissolved the board of a prominent non-governmental organization * The five are being held in "preventative custody," a state-run news agency said * They face accusations including opposing the government Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates (CNN) -- Authorities in the United Arab Emirates have arrested a prominent human rights activist and four others on accusations that include opposing the government, the state-run WAM news agency reported Monday. The five were "held in preventative custody" on accusations that they committed crimes that include undermining the public order, opposing the government system and insulting the president, vice president and crown prince of Abu Dhabi, the news agency said. It identified one of the five as Ahmed Mansour Ali Abdullah Al Abd Al Shehi, more commonly known as Ahmed Mansour. He is a "leading human rights activist who had publicly called for political freedoms and an elected parliament," Human Rights Watch said. Mansour also is a member of Human Rights Watch's Middle East advisory committee. Attorney General Salim Saeed Kubaish said the five "were arrested on order of the public prosecution and questioned in the presence of their lawyers," the news agency said. The others who were arrested are Nasser Ahmed Khalfan bin Gaith, Fahad Salim Mohammed Salim Dalk, Hassan Ali Al Khamis -- all of the United Arab Emirates -- and Ahmed Abdul Khaleq, who "does not carry identification papers," the news agency reported. The arrests came on the heels of a recent decision by the UAE's government to dissolve the elected board of directors of the Jurist Association, a prominent civil rights organization in that country, and replace it with state appointees, according to Human Rights Watch. The Jurist Association was one of four non-governmental organizations that sent a petition last month to UAE President Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan and other authorities asking for direct elections. The petition also requested greater legislative power in the small Persian Gulf country, which is comprised of seven emirates, including Abu Dhabi and Dubai. Authorities said the association violated a law banning non-governmental organizations from interfering "in politics or in matters that impair state security and (the) ruling regime." Joe Stork, the deputy Middle East director at Human Rights Watch, blasted UAE authorities on Friday for "reacting to domestic criticisms by banning websites, detaining peaceful activists, and intensifying its chokehold on civil society." Analysts say government officials in the UAE appear to be adopting a two-track approach to political activity -- clamping down on dissent while promising reform and taking a limited number of steps to stave off potential unrest. In March, the government ordered a 70% increase in pensions for retired military personnel. It also approved the construction of hundreds of new villas for citizens, and announced new initiatives to increase employment opportunities. New elections to the Federal National Council -- a national advisory board -- have been scheduled for September. The last elections for the board were held in 2006. The country has not faced street protests, but authorities are sensitive to the unrest sweeping the Arab world. Long-standing regimes in Tunisia and Egypt were toppled earlier this year, and Damascus has launched a violent crackdown against protesters in Syria. Libya is currently in the midst of a full-blown war involving supporters and opponents of strongman Moammar Gadhafi. Both the UAE and Saudi Arabia recently sent troops to nearby Bahrain to help quell an uprising there. While concerned with rising ethnic and sectarian strife in the region, authorities in the UAE also have to contend with potentially explosive immigration concerns. More than 8 million people live in the UAE, but Emiratis account for only 11.5% of that total. Migrant workers comprise the bulk of the population in the country. CNN's Alan Silverleib contributed to this report Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from
Re:[proletar] lagi, mengkaji guru
Begini, saya coba mengikuti pemikiran wawan tentang apa yang disebut 'agama' - yang rupanya terbatas hanya pada label-label terkenal terutama Kristen & Islam. Buat dia, jangankan dongeng, apapun yang berbau 'agama' seolah nggak bersisa setitik pun kebaikannya. Ini jelas terlalu mengada-ada untuk orang yang katanya pernah nyantri di pesantren. Untuk apa membakar rumah yang sudah tidak kita sukai - apalagi kalau belum punya tempat berteduh lain. Nggak lain nggak bukan, saya mengajak wawan untuk nggak mbakar rumah yang pernah ditempati, seburuk apa pun pengalaman selama tinggal di sana. Kebiasaan bakar-bakar seperti itu akan terbawa ke mana pun dia "berteduh". Terbukti, wawan membangun analisis yang dengan sendirinya terbakar jadi abu. Tapi ya terserah kalau memang suka ngerjain hal yang sia-sia. Soal tolol enggaknya suatu dongeng saya sependapat sama sampeyan. Tergantung bagaimana orang memahami posisi dongeng tersebut. Jadi, daripada meributkan benar-tidaknya dongeng itu terjadi, lebih baik melihat kegunaannya. Memberi inspirasikah, sekedar menghiburkah, atau justru meneror dsbkah. Bagaimanapun, kitalah yang berhak menentukan posisi dongeng itu berdasarkan pengetahuan & pengalaman yang kita punya. Jangan malah mabuk, hilang kesadaran, lantas menempatkan si pendongeng seolah dia sedang berwahyu / berfirman sehingga kata-katanya pun harus ditelan dengan patuh, dan menjadikan kata-katanya (dongeng itu) sebagai satu-satunya kebenaran, betapapun tololnya dia mendongeng. Tegesipun, nggih cekap semanten rumiyin. Dumugi kraos, mangertos, ngantos ngemut mentos, adios amigos.. --- "Wong" wrote: > Bukan begitu, masalahnya sampeyan menunjuk ada guru ngaji yang > mengajar dengan dongengan tolol, nah saya minta klarifikasi apa > yang sampeyan maksud dengan dongengan tolol tsb > > Dongeng tentang Israk Miraj dan Musa saya maksudkan hanya sebagai > pintu masuk agar kita bisa ada obrolan yang mengalir. Karena > nyatanya memang kisah dari kitab suci sering dijadikan landasan > untuk mengambil keputusan. Ndak usah jauh jauhlah, di milis prol > ini saja, pak Tawang (di manakah beliau sekarang) sering menilai > bangsa Yahudi sebagai bangsa yang mrusal, hanya karena dalam kitab > suci AlQuran bangsa Yahudi sering dikisahkan melakukan > pembangkangan dan mbalelo terhadap perintah Tuhan. Apakah kisah > dalam kitab suci itu benar benar terjad?, menurut pamahaman saya, > menganggap kisah dalam kitab suci adalah kisah yang betul betul > terjadi adalah perbuatan tolol, tentu akan menjadi super mega tolol > apa bila kisah2 tsb dijadikan landasan untuk menghaikimi suatu kaum. > > Tapi kalo ternyata dongengan tolol yang sampeyan maksud bukan > seprti itu, atao sampeyan punya pengertian atao versi lain tentang > dongengan tolol, ya silahkan ditulis saja. Monggo dipun babar, kulo > lenggah midangetaken. > > Rahayu > > > --- "ajeg" wrote: > > > Jadi betul, kesel sama guru agama dulu? :) > > > > Bicara kalao, taruhlah sampeyan murid dan saya gurunya. > > Taruhlah saya cerita Isra Miraj Israel ulet bulu kidul persis > > seperti maunya sampiyan di bawah. Lalu apa sampeyan percaya > > cuma saya satu-satunya sumber cerita tsb di dunia ini? > > > > --- "Wong" wrote: > > > > > Bagaimanakah seharusnya guru agama mengajar? Kalao sampeyan > > > menjadi guru ngaji bagaimanakah sampeyan akan mengajari para > > > santri tentang Israk Miraj dimana di kisahkan bahwa nabi > > > Muhammad melakukan perjalanan dalam sekejap naik Buroq dari > > > Masjidil Haram ke Masijidil Aqso terus ke Sidratul muntaha > > > bertemu dengan Alloh untuk menerima perintah solat. Apakah ini > > > yang sampeyan maksud sebagai dongengan tolol. Karena > > > sesungguhnya cerita hanyalah sebuah cerita fiksi yang jelas > > > tidak masuk akal > > > > > > Atau sampeyan akan membuat rasionalisasi, misalnya dengan > > > mengatakan, Buroq itu memang hanya kiasan, Buroq itu bermakna > > > mlebu sak jroning rok atao masuk kedalam baju wanita, yang > > > berarti nabi Muhammad sesungguhnya tidak kemana mana tetapi > > > berdiam di rumah istrinya, tapi nabi Muhammad melamun dan > > > menghayal bisa terbang kemana mana. Namanya juga menghayal maka > > > tidak heran dalam sekejap dia bisa berada di Masjidil Harom > > > kemudian sekejap berikutnya ke Masjidil Aqso dan seterusnya, > > > wong namanya juga melamun. > > > > > > Jika sampeyan menjadi guru ngaji, bagaimanakah sampeyan akan > > > menjelaskan kepada para santri tentang eksodus bangsa Israel > > > dari Mesir menuju tanah perjanjian yang dipimpin oleh Musa. > > > Dimana dikisahkan dalam pelarian itu Musa memukulkan tongkatnya > > > ke laut kemudain laut itu terbelah menjadi seperti daratan > > > sehingga bangsa Israel bisa menyeberang dengan selamat. Inikah > > > kisah dongengan tolol yang sampeyan maksudkan? > > > > > > Apakah sampeyan akan mengatakan kepada para santri bahwa kisah > > > ini hanyalah fiksi, sebab mana mungkin ada tongkat yang
Re: [proletar] kalau maestro bernyanyi
Kalau begitu cocok apa kata Teddy, manusia pun banyak kelemahannya. Bahkan bisa lebih lemah dari binatang dalam urusan mengendalikan diri. Karena itu agama pernah bilang, perang terdahsyat adalah perang melawan diri sendiri. --- "widura" wrote: > Tentu saja ikan hias tersebut sudah dipilih yg paling mulia > diantara lainnya, yg tau benar dan salah..tapi diantara mereka > malah sok cari muka ke saya, sebagai pemilik aquarium, dgn merasa > paling hebat dan paling nurut ke saya...padahal semua yg saya > pelihara disana saya harapkan bisa hidup damai...dan saya ngga > perlu cari mukanya itu...jengkel memang menyaksikannya..udah coba > saya "sentil" supaya gak ribut tapi masih aja ribut > terus...akhirnya saya pisahkan yg arogan bersama kelompoknya agar > tidak terjadi keributan...eh ternyata dikoloni mereka yg sudah > dipisahkan tersebut, masih juga mereka ribut menyerang satu sama > lain karena merasa mereka dan kelompoknya yg paling nurut sama > saya...bener2 bikin repot... > -Original Message- > From: "ajeg" > > > Tergantung jenis ikannya. > > Kalau warna-warni itu terkumpul di satu ekor ikan > > cupang, ya berabelah dunia aquarium. Apalagi kalau > > aquarium diisi ikan cupang semua. > > > > Lucu nih, kemarin ada yang jengkel sama guru agama, > > sekarang ada yang jengkel sama ikan. Tapi yang dijadiin > > sasaran pelampiasan malah agama. > > > > --- "widura" wrote: > > > > > Saya punya aquarium dan saya isi dgn ikan hias sejenis beragam > > > warna : hitam, merah, kuning, dan putih serta diberi hiasan > > > natural agar lebih nyaman...harapan saya ikan tersebut hidup > > > damai bersama dalam satu wadah...tapi ternyata ada yg merasa > > > paling berkuasa lalu mengganggu yg lainnya yg asik mencari > > > makan kesana kemarijengkel sekali saya melihat ikan seperti > > > itu...tidak seperti yg diharapkan utk hidup dama bersama > > -Original Message- > > From: "Teddy S." > > > > > Namanya juga manusia yang punya banyak kelemahan-kelemahan. > > > > > > --- "widura" wrote: > > > > > > > Kita bisa saksikan kelakuan orang2 bertuhan ini dengan > > > > gamblang dan jelas dalam aksi2 mereka...hehehe...hanya > > > > merusak nurani saja > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] CNN: Syria launches bloody new crackdown as U.S. threatens sanctions
Syria launches bloody new crackdown as U.S. threatens sanctions >From Rima Maktabi, CNN April 25, 2011 -- Updated 1715 GMT (0115 HKT) (CNN) -- The Syrian government launched a major military operation Monday, sending thousands of troops into the town where the country's uprising began, to carry out what witnesses described as a brutal, wider-scale crackdown. The United States threatened sanctions against the country, calling for a halt to Syria's "deplorable" actions. At the United Nations, a draft statement condemning the violence was being circulated among security council members, a U.N. diplomat said. Between 4,000 and 5,000 members of the Army and security forces raided the southern city of Daraa just after 4 a.m. equipped with seven tanks, and began shooting indiscriminately, in some cases shooting into homes as people slept, according to an activist with the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. Seven people were confirmed killed in the city, the activist said. Other witnesses described a trail of dead bodies in the streets. "Ambulances could not help the injured because of the snipers and army officers who are deployed all over the city," one witness in Daraa said. "They shoot on anything that moves." A military official -- the second commander in a brigade that entered Daraa -- defected over the violence, the activist with the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and another opposition source said. The commander was then arrested, the activist said. In the city of Douma, security forces took to the streets and arrested numerous people, a witness said, comparing the city to a prison. Tommy Vietor, spokesman for the U.S. National Security Council, issued a statement condemning Syria's "brutal violence" against its citizens, calling it "completely deplorable." "The United States is pursuing a range of possible policy options, including targeted sanctions, to respond to the crackdown and make clear that this behavior is unacceptable," Vietor said in the statement. "The Syrian people's call for freedom of expression, association, peaceful assembly, and the ability to freely choose their leaders must be heard." The United States is preparing new sanctions against members of Bashar al-Assad's regime who are overseeing the violent crackdown, according to several senior U.S. officials with knowledge of the action. A new Treasury Department executive order targeting senior officials accused of human rights abuses would involve an asset freeze and travel ban, as well as prohibiting them from doing business in the United States. A U.N. diplomat said a draft security council statement sponsored by France, Portgual, and the United Kingdom condemned the violence and called for restraint. It also supported Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon's call for an independent investigation on the matter. The draft was to be formally introduced Monday, and a final statement could be agreed upon by Tuesday, the diplomat said. U.N. human rights chief Navi Pillay issued a statement saying Syria has offered "paper reforms followed by violent crackdowns on protesters." "The international community has repeatedly urged the Syrian Government to stop killing its own people, but our calls have gone unheeded," Pillay said. Her office has received a list naming 76 people killed on Friday during evidently peaceful marches, but the number may be much higher, Pillay's office said. The office is also looking into reports of 13 people killed in funeral processions Saturday. The Syrian government, meanwhile, said 12 "martyrs" killed "by armed criminal groups" around the country -- including several near Daraa -- were buried. The government has been arguing that its security forces are cracking down on such groups wreaking havoc on the nation. Fear and panic coursed through Daraa on Monday. Anti-government protests that have taken hold in many parts of Syria began in Daraa last month following a violent crackdown by security forces on peaceful demonstrators protesting the arrests of youths who scribbled anti-government graffiti. Protesters have asked for freedom and regime reform. Public discontent with al-Assad's government has mounted. Activists also want the easing of the ruling Baath Party's power and a law that would permit the establishment of independent political parties. In recent days, witnesses in Syria had told CNN they want the security apparatus, which includes Syria's secret intelligence operatives, dissolved, and would rather see the army take to the streets. They believed the army would be friendlier to protesters -- as was the case in the Egyptian uprising. But on Monday, video from Syria showed what appeared to be members of the army carrying out al-Assad's crackdown. As another witness spoke to CNN by phone, the sound of gunfire could be heard in the background, along with people screaming, "Allahu Akbar" -- meaning "God is great." "There are around 3,000 s
Bls: [proletar] Re: Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAREWA
Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAREWA. Bajingan pendusta. Tidak ada ilmuwan yang mentertawakan tulisan Luling dan Luxenberg. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > Begini jadinya kalau orang sudah mempertuhankan luling dan luxemberg. > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > Dari: Jusfiq > Judul: [proletar] Re: Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. Anda itu bangsat penipu, > PAREWA PAREWA > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 6:40 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAREWA. > > > > Bajingan pendusta. > > > > Tidak ada ilmuwan yang mentertawakan tulisan Luling dan Luxenberg. > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, jusfiq yang memang > > > dungu > > > > > > kayak babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma > > > > > > bisanya pake kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation > > > masin > > > > > > menganggap serius dan mempercayai tulisan Luling dan Luxenberg > > > > > > yang jadi tertawaan sejumlah ilmuwan hingga mereka tempa > > > istilah sampaisme > > > > > > Menyedihkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Pada Rab, 20/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > > > > > Dari: Jusfiq > > > Judul: Re: Bls: [proletar] Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Tanggal: Rabu, 20 April, 2011, 7:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAERWA. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bajingan pendusta. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tidak ada ilmuwan yang mentertawakan tulisan Luling. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebaliknya malah, tulisan dilengkapi dan disempurnakan oleh Luxenberg. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, jusfiq yang memang dungu > > > > > > > kayak babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma > > > > > > > bisanya pake kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation masin > > > > > > > menganggap serius dan mempercayai tulisan Luling yang jadi tertawaan > > > > > > > sejumlah ilmuwan hingga mereka tempa istilah sampaisme > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Menyedihkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Pada Rab, 20/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dari: Jusfiq > > > > > > > Judul: [proletar] Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. > > > > > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Tanggal: Rabu, 20 April, 2011, 6:21 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, rezameutia yang memang dungu > > > kayak babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma bisanya > > > pake kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation masin menganggap serius > > > dan mempercayai tulisan Bucaille yang jadi tertawaan sejumlah ilmuwan > > > hingga mereka tempa istilah bucaillisme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Menyedihkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar
[proletar] Karena dungu PAREWA PAREWA itu menyembah Allah yang tidak berbukti ada..
Karena dungu kayak babi, walaupun sudah dibuktikan oleh orang kafir di mailng list ini bahwa buku taik anjing al-Mushaf itu TIDAK berisi wahyu Allah, tapi PAREWA PAREWA itu tetap saja menyembah Allah yang tidak berbukti ada lima kali sehari.. Dungu. PAREWA PAREWA itu sungguh-sungguh dungu. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] al-Mushaf & PAREWA PAREWA yang dungu kayak babi..
Orang kafir di mailing list ini, seperti "great pretender" dan "sebuah kenyataan" sudah membuktikan secara telak bahwa buku taik anjing al-Mushaf yang dijadikan kitab suci oleh PAREWA PAREWA itu TIDAK berisi wahyu Allah. Tapi karena PAREWA PAREWA itu dungu kayang babi, terus aja buku taik anjing itu dijadikannya kitab suci. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Bls: [proletar] PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang..
Kerak kenistaan itu adalah tabiat anda PAREWA PAREWA. Anda itu bajingan penipu. Bangsat tukang kibul. Tukang palsukan posting orang. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > Ooo anda. > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > Dari: Jusfiq > Judul: Re: Bls: [proletar] PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang.. > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 8:03 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Kerek kenistaan itu adalah tabiat anda PAREWA PAREWA. > > > > Anda itu bajingan penipu. > > > > Bangsat tukang kibul. > > > > Tukang palsukan posting orang. > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > siapa yg kerak kenistaan? > > > > > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > > > > > Dari: Jusfiq > > > Judul: Re: Bls: [proletar] PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang.. > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 7:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anda itu bangsat PAREWA PAREWA. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anda itu bajingan. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tukang palsukan posting orang. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anda itu adalah manusia bertabiat nista. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kerek kenistaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OOO maksudnya anda mengorek pantatnya. Maap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dari: Jusfiq > > > > > > > Judul: [proletar] PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang.. > > > > > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 7:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saya menulis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "PAREWA PAREWA yang otaknya sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi > > > menjijikkan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bilang saya menjilat pantat David Silalahi pada hal saya mengoreksi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pendapatnya..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalu dipalsukannya menjadi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "...mengoreksi pantatnya..." dan dia berkomentar: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anda "mengoreksi pantatnya..."? Gile bener > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Bls: [proletar] PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang..
Ooo anda. --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: Dari: Jusfiq Judul: Re: Bls: [proletar] PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang.. Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 8:03 PM Kerek kenistaan itu adalah tabiat anda PAREWA PAREWA. Anda itu bajingan penipu. Bangsat tukang kibul. Tukang palsukan posting orang. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > siapa yg kerak kenistaan? > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > Dari: Jusfiq > Judul: Re: Bls: [proletar] PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang.. > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 7:38 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Anda itu bangsat PAREWA PAREWA. > > > > Anda itu bajingan. > > > > Tukang palsukan posting orang. > > > > Anda itu adalah manusia bertabiat nista. > > > > Kerek kenistaan. > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > OOO maksudnya anda mengorek pantatnya. Maap > > > > > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > > > > > Dari: Jusfiq > > > Judul: [proletar] PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang.. > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 7:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saya menulis: > > > > > > > > > > > > "PAREWA PAREWA yang otaknya sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi > > menjijikkan > > > > > > bilang saya menjilat pantat David Silalahi pada hal saya mengoreksi > > > > > > pendapatnya..." > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalu dipalsukannya menjadi: > > > > > > > > > > > > "...mengoreksi pantatnya..." dan dia berkomentar: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anda "mengoreksi pantatnya..."? Gile bener > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Seperti PAREWA PAREWA, orang Islam itu rata-rata takut tahu, takut pinter..
Seperti PAREWA PAREWA, orang Islam itu rata-rata takut tahu, takut pinter.. Mereka rata-rata takut membaca hasil kajian ilmiah seperti tulisan Luling dan Luxenberg.. Atau buku Dawkins... Beraninya berdusta dan memfitnah... Rata-rata peserta mailing list ini yang beragama Islam adalah bajingan pendusta dan bangsat tukang fitnah. Orang Nasrani yang suka berdusta dan suka memfitnah di mailing list ini, seingat saya hanyalah Suryana. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Beda PAREWA PAERWA dari Rchan Situmorang...
Rchan Situmorang yang meganut agama Nasrani itu TIDAK takut membaca buku Dawkins ... Sedangkan PAREWA PAREWA takut baca buku Luling dan Luxenberg.. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] PAREWA PAREWA nggak berani baca buku Luling dan Luxenberg...
PAREWA PAREWA nggak berani baca buku Luling dan Luxenberg... PAREWA PAREWA itu takut tahu. Takut pinter. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Bls: [proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (PAREWA tukang fitnah yang busuk, nista lagi menji
Jadi anda berdusta PAREWA PAREWA. Bajingan pendusta. Bangat penipu. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > Ya kalau anda baca secara harafiah. Itulah satu bukti anda super dongok. > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > Dari: Jusfiq > Judul: Bls: [proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (PAREWA tukang fitnah > yang busuk, nista lagi menji > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 8:01 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Jadi anda itu BANGSAT penipu PAREWA PAREWA. > > > > Anda itu bajingan tukang fitnah. > > > > Jadi, tidak ada saya bilang bahwa "google lah yg bikin saya "pintar" > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > Memang tak ada anda bilang secara langsung. Tapi selama-lamanya yang jadi > > referensi anda kalau sudah kepepet kan selalu google, dan internet secara > > umum. Dan anda jelas dengan pongahnya selalu membangga-bangga ilmu yg anda > > timba dari internet itu. Jelaslah google lah yg bikin anda "pintar". > > > > > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > > > > > Dari: Jusfiq > > > Judul: [proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (PAREWA tukang fitnah yang > > busuk, nista lagi menji > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 6:21 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bangsat penipu.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bajingan pendusta. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tukang fitnah yang busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tidak ada saya bilang "google lah yg bikin saya "pintar" > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denial politics. Sebaliknya kata si jusfiq, google lah yg bikin dia > > > "pintar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, David Silalahi menulis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dari: David Silalahi > > > > > > > Judul: Re: [proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) > > > > > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 4:54 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > google saat ini memang dewa untuk segala jawaban. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anda bisa mencari apa saja, entah pencarian untuk tambah pintar ataupun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > untuk tambah bodoh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anda juga bisa mencari "child rape" melalui google, langsung ada > > > jawabannya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > demikian pula kalau menambahkan kata "america", "arab", "iraq", "iran", > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "dubai", "turkey" ataupun menambahkan kata "Christian", "moslem", "muslim" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... apa saja yang anda mau. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > semua langsung ada jawabannya, tapi apakah itu membuat anda pintar? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online
Re: Bls: [proletar] PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang..
Kerek kenistaan itu adalah tabiat anda PAREWA PAREWA. Anda itu bajingan penipu. Bangsat tukang kibul. Tukang palsukan posting orang. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > siapa yg kerak kenistaan? > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > Dari: Jusfiq > Judul: Re: Bls: [proletar] PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang.. > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 7:38 PM > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > Anda itu bangsat PAREWA PAREWA. > > > > Anda itu bajingan. > > > > Tukang palsukan posting orang. > > > > Anda itu adalah manusia bertabiat nista. > > > > Kerek kenistaan. > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > OOO maksudnya anda mengorek pantatnya. Maap > > > > > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > > > > > Dari: Jusfiq > > > Judul: [proletar] PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang.. > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 7:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saya menulis: > > > > > > > > > > > > "PAREWA PAREWA yang otaknya sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi > > menjijikkan > > > > > > bilang saya menjilat pantat David Silalahi pada hal saya mengoreksi > > > > > > pendapatnya..." > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalu dipalsukannya menjadi: > > > > > > > > > > > > "...mengoreksi pantatnya..." dan dia berkomentar: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anda "mengoreksi pantatnya..."? Gile bener > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Bls: [proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (PAREWA tukang fitnah yang busuk, nista lagi menji
Ya kalau anda baca secara harafiah. Itulah satu bukti anda super dongok. --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: Dari: Jusfiq Judul: Bls: [proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (PAREWA tukang fitnah yang busuk, nista lagi menji Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 8:01 PM Jadi anda itu BANGSAT penipu PAREWA PAREWA. Anda itu bajingan tukang fitnah. Jadi, tidak ada saya bilang bahwa "google lah yg bikin saya "pintar" --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > Memang tak ada anda bilang secara langsung. Tapi selama-lamanya yang jadi > referensi anda kalau sudah kepepet kan selalu google, dan internet secara > umum. Dan anda jelas dengan pongahnya selalu membangga-bangga ilmu yg anda > timba dari internet itu. Jelaslah google lah yg bikin anda "pintar". > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > Dari: Jusfiq > Judul: [proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (PAREWA tukang fitnah yang > busuk, nista lagi menji > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 6:21 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Bangsat penipu.. > > > > Bajingan pendusta. > > > > Tukang fitnah yang busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan. > > > > Tidak ada saya bilang "google lah yg bikin saya "pintar" > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > Denial politics. Sebaliknya kata si jusfiq, google lah yg bikin dia "pintar" > > > > > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, David Silalahi menulis: > > > > > > Dari: David Silalahi > > > Judul: Re: [proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 4:54 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > google saat ini memang dewa untuk segala jawaban. > > > > > > > > > > > > anda bisa mencari apa saja, entah pencarian untuk tambah pintar ataupun > > > > > > untuk tambah bodoh. > > > > > > > > > > > > anda juga bisa mencari "child rape" melalui google, langsung ada jawabannya. > > > > > > > > > > > > demikian pula kalau menambahkan kata "america", "arab", "iraq", "iran", > > > > > > "dubai", "turkey" ataupun menambahkan kata "Christian", "moslem", "muslim" > > > > > > ... apa saja yang anda mau. > > > > > > > > > > > > semua langsung ada jawabannya, tapi apakah itu membuat anda pintar? > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Bls: [proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (PAREWA tukang fitnah yang busuk, nista lagi menji
Jadi anda itu BANGSAT penipu PAREWA PAREWA. Anda itu bajingan tukang fitnah. Jadi, tidak ada saya bilang bahwa "google lah yg bikin saya "pintar" --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > Memang tak ada anda bilang secara langsung. Tapi selama-lamanya yang jadi > referensi anda kalau sudah kepepet kan selalu google, dan internet secara > umum. Dan anda jelas dengan pongahnya selalu membangga-bangga ilmu yg anda > timba dari internet itu. Jelaslah google lah yg bikin anda "pintar". > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > Dari: Jusfiq > Judul: [proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (PAREWA tukang fitnah yang > busuk, nista lagi menji > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 6:21 PM > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > Bangsat penipu.. > > > > Bajingan pendusta. > > > > Tukang fitnah yang busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan. > > > > Tidak ada saya bilang "google lah yg bikin saya "pintar" > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > Denial politics. Sebaliknya kata si jusfiq, google lah yg bikin dia "pintar" > > > > > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, David Silalahi menulis: > > > > > > Dari: David Silalahi > > > Judul: Re: [proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 4:54 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > google saat ini memang dewa untuk segala jawaban. > > > > > > > > > > > > anda bisa mencari apa saja, entah pencarian untuk tambah pintar ataupun > > > > > > untuk tambah bodoh. > > > > > > > > > > > > anda juga bisa mencari "child rape" melalui google, langsung ada jawabannya. > > > > > > > > > > > > demikian pula kalau menambahkan kata "america", "arab", "iraq", "iran", > > > > > > "dubai", "turkey" ataupun menambahkan kata "Christian", "moslem", "muslim" > > > > > > ... apa saja yang anda mau. > > > > > > > > > > > > semua langsung ada jawabannya, tapi apakah itu membuat anda pintar? > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] CNN; Bahrain government accuses Hezbollah of aiding opposition groups
Bahrain government accuses Hezbollah of aiding opposition groups By Elise Labott, CNN April 25, 2011 -- Updated 0914 GMT (1714 HKT) STORY HIGHLIGHTS * New: Opposition denies claims of outside help * Bahrain's government claims Iranian-backed Hezbollah has been training opposition figures, report says * The report details meetings between Hezbollah senior officials and Shiite opposition groups * Bahrain's ruling Khalifa family is Sunni Muslim, while about two-thirds of the country are Shiite Washington (CNN) -- The militant group Hezbollah is actively plotting with the opposition in Bahrain to overthrow the country's ruling family, the government said in a confidential report to the United Nations. "Evidence confirms that Bahraini elements are being trained in Hezbollah camps specifically established to train assets from the Gulf," the report reads. Bahrain has long made claims that Iran and Hezbollah have sought to fuel instability in the nation. In the report sent to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, Bahrain's government claims Iranian-backed Hezbollah has been training opposition figures at its camps in Lebanon and Iran, in an effort to destabilize the Khalifa monarchy. The report also says the militant group has trained militants for activities in neighboring Gulf countries, according to diplomats who have reviewed it. The government report urges the United Nations to curb Iran and Hezbollah's interference in the country. Rights group alleges torture in Bahrain RELATED TOPICS * Bahrain * Hezbollah * Iran Both Iran and Hezbollah have previously denied involvement in the protests. The Bahraini government has launched a violent crackdown against the protesters and Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates have deployed troops to Bahrain to support the regime. The report details meetings between Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah and other senior officials of the group with members of Shiite organizations in Bahrain, such as al Wefaq, one of the country's major opposition parties and the banned al Haq group. In the report, Bahrain alleges Shiite groups coordinated political strategy inside the country and used Hezbollah's television channel, al Manar to mobilize opposition protests. Abdul-Jalil Khalil, an al Wefaq member of parliament, denied the claims. "We believe the problem is a political issue and an internal issue and we have no support from the outside," he said, adding al Wefaq has no formal or informal relationship with Hezbollah and does not use al Manar to aid the movement. "The movement is a peaceful movement," according to Khalil, who said al Wefaq is interested in serious political reform and not in overthrowing the ruling family. Hassan Mushaimaa, the secretary general of Haq has been detained, and was unavailable to comment on the report. Bahrain's ruling Khalifa family is Sunni Muslim, while about two-thirds of the country are Shiite. The State Department has said it believes Iran's role in Bahrain has been minimal, and that the protests in Bahrain were the product of home-grown frustrations of the country's Shiia, who want greater economic and political participation. The Obama administration has criticized the Bahraini crackdown and called for the government to enter into political dialogue with the opposition. CNN's Jenifer Fenton contributed to this report Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Bls: [proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (PAREWA tukang fitnah yang busuk, nista lagi menji
Memang tak ada anda bilang secara langsung. Tapi selama-lamanya yang jadi referensi anda kalau sudah kepepet kan selalu google, dan internet secara umum. Dan anda jelas dengan pongahnya selalu membangga-bangga ilmu yg anda timba dari internet itu. Jelaslah google lah yg bikin anda "pintar". --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: Dari: Jusfiq Judul: [proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (PAREWA tukang fitnah yang busuk, nista lagi menji Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 6:21 PM Bangsat penipu.. Bajingan pendusta. Tukang fitnah yang busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan. Tidak ada saya bilang "google lah yg bikin saya "pintar" --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > Denial politics. Sebaliknya kata si jusfiq, google lah yg bikin dia "pintar" > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, David Silalahi menulis: > > Dari: David Silalahi > Judul: Re: [proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 4:54 PM > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > google saat ini memang dewa untuk segala jawaban. > > > > anda bisa mencari apa saja, entah pencarian untuk tambah pintar ataupun > > untuk tambah bodoh. > > > > anda juga bisa mencari "child rape" melalui google, langsung ada jawabannya. > > > > demikian pula kalau menambahkan kata "america", "arab", "iraq", "iran", > > "dubai", "turkey" ataupun menambahkan kata "Christian", "moslem", "muslim" > > ... apa saja yang anda mau. > > > > semua langsung ada jawabannya, tapi apakah itu membuat anda pintar? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Bls: [proletar] PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang..
siapa yg kerak kenistaan? --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: Dari: Jusfiq Judul: Re: Bls: [proletar] PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang.. Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 7:38 PM Anda itu bangsat PAREWA PAREWA. Anda itu bajingan. Tukang palsukan posting orang. Anda itu adalah manusia bertabiat nista. Kerek kenistaan. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > OOO maksudnya anda mengorek pantatnya. Maap > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > Dari: Jusfiq > Judul: [proletar] PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang.. > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 7:03 PM > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang.. > > > > Saya menulis: > > > > "PAREWA PAREWA yang otaknya sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan > > bilang saya menjilat pantat David Silalahi pada hal saya mengoreksi > > pendapatnya..." > > > > Lalu dipalsukannya menjadi: > > > > "...mengoreksi pantatnya..." dan dia berkomentar: > > > > > Anda "mengoreksi pantatnya..."? Gile bener > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Bls: [proletar] PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang..
Anda itu bangsat PAREWA PAREWA. Anda itu bajingan. Tukang palsukan posting orang. Anda itu adalah manusia bertabiat nista. Kerek kenistaan. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > OOO maksudnya anda mengorek pantatnya. Maap > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > Dari: Jusfiq > Judul: [proletar] PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang.. > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 7:03 PM > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang.. > > > > Saya menulis: > > > > "PAREWA PAREWA yang otaknya sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan > > bilang saya menjilat pantat David Silalahi pada hal saya mengoreksi > > pendapatnya..." > > > > Lalu dipalsukannya menjadi: > > > > "...mengoreksi pantatnya..." dan dia berkomentar: > > > > > Anda "mengoreksi pantatnya..."? Gile bener > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] MII: Ba'asyir Dukung Negara Islam Indonesia
Ba'asyir Dukung Negara Islam Indonesia Penulis : Fario Untung Senin, 25 April 2011 19:21 WIB JAKARTA--MICOM: Terdakwa kasus terorisme Abu Bakar Ba'asyir kembali mengeluarkan seruannya terkait Negara Islam Indonesia (NII). Ia menyatakan secara tegas bahwa Islam wajib menguasai negara ini, bukan sebaliknya yakni dikuasai oleh pihak-pihak lain. Pernyataan tersebut dilontarkan oleh Ba'asyir saat ditemui wartawan di Pengadilan Negeri Jakarta Selatan, Jakarta, Senin (25/4). Ia menyebut, selama Indonesia merdeka, Islam di Indonesia selalu dikuasai oleh pihak tertentu. "Sejak pemerintahan Presiden Soekarno sampai sekarang, Islam di Indonesia selalu dikuasai dan ditindas. Islam wajib berkuasa dan tidak boleh dikuasai," ucap Ba'asyir. Tidak hanya itu, Ba'asyir juga mengatakan bahwa tujuan utama dari Jamaah Anshorut Tauhid (JAT) adalah daulah Islamiah yang memiliki pengertian bahwa Islam adalah penguasa dan tidak boleh dikuasai oleh siapapun. "Tidak boleh Islam dikuasai, seperti halnya di Indonesia sekarang ini," tegas Ba'asyir. Lebih lanjut, Ba'asyir juga mengutarakan pendapatnya yakni jika suatu negara tidak diatur oleh hukum Islam, sudah dapat dipastikan bahwa keadaan negara tersebut akan hancur dan rusak. Pasalnya hukum Islam merupakan perintah dari Allah. Oleh karenanya, Baasyir setuju dengan adanya Negara Islam Indonesia (NII) karena orang Islam wajib diatur dengan hukum Islam. Namun, Baasyir mengatakan saat ini belum mampu memuwujudkan NII. Namun sudah ada kemauan dari umat Islam. "Orang yang mengaku Islam tetapi tidak menjalankan hukum Islam dianggap murtad," tutup Ba'asyir. (*/OL-9) Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Bls: [proletar] PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang..
OOO maksudnya anda mengorek pantatnya. Maap --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: Dari: Jusfiq Judul: [proletar] PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang.. Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 7:03 PM PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang.. Saya menulis: "PAREWA PAREWA yang otaknya sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan bilang saya menjilat pantat David Silalahi pada hal saya mengoreksi pendapatnya..." Lalu dipalsukannya menjadi: "...mengoreksi pantatnya..." dan dia berkomentar: > Anda "mengoreksi pantatnya..."? Gile bener [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] PAREWA PAREWA sudah kalap..
PAREWA PAREWA sudah kedodoran... Lalu kalap. Lalu dia memalsukan posting orang. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] PAREWA PAREWA ikon manusia berotak busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan..
PAREWA PAREWA ikon manusia Islam tipikal, artinya berotak busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan.. Tukang palsukan postign orang. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang..
PAREWA PAREWA tukang palsukan posting orang.. Saya menulis: "PAREWA PAREWA yang otaknya sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan bilang saya menjilat pantat David Silalahi pada hal saya mengoreksi pendapatnya..." Lalu dipalsukannya menjadi: "...mengoreksi pantatnya..." dan dia berkomentar: > Anda "mengoreksi pantatnya..."? Gile bener Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Bls: Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (PAREWA PAREWA bangsat penipu...)
Bangsat penipu. Bajingan pendusta.. Tukang palsukan posting orang. Saya menulis: "PAREWA PAREWA yang otaknya sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan bilang saya menjilat pantat David Silalahi pada hal saya mengoreksi pendapatnya..." Dan bukan "mengoreksi pantatnya..." --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > Anda "mengoreksi pantatnya..."? Gile bener > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > Dari: Jusfiq > Judul: Bls: [proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (PAREWA PAREWA yang > sudah gila...) > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 6:53 PM > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PAREWA PAREWA yang otaknya sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan > bilang saya menjilat pantat David Silalahi pada hal saya mengoreksi > pantatnya... > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > jilaaat teru pantat kudisan si david yg denial > > > > > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > > > > > Dari: Jusfiq > > > Judul: [proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (David Silalahi & ndeboost > > yang omong asal ngaco.) > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 6:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coba anda baca tulisan "ndeboost" yang anda komentari.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Masaalahnya bukan google atau bukan, tapi dengan otaknya yang busuk dia > > menghubungkan kejahatan seksual dengan "Crosstian Pauline" > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ga perlu diketahui, yg kelakuan gini Kristen apa bukan, > > > > > > w/n negara maju apa bukan. Tapi pelakunya jelas w/n > > > > > > penduduk negara mayoritas Crosstian Pauline, negara > > > > > > maju. Entah hitam, putih atau lainnya. Namun > > > > > > kelakuannya iblis, setan laknat." > > > > > > > > > > > > Terlepas dari itu: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dalam membaca berita, di internet atau di media cetak diperlukan pertama > > kebiasaan untuk mengecek kesahihan fakta yang disampaikan dan menelusuri > > logika yang diturutkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > Di contoh yang sekarang dibicarakna itu "ndeboost" jelas berkomentar tanpa > > menggunakan logika, karena tidak ada hubungan antara "Crosstian Pauline" > > dengan kejahatan seksual yang diberitkan oleh sumber yagn dikutipnya. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > google saat ini memang dewa untuk segala jawaban. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anda bisa mencari apa saja, entah pencarian untuk tambah pintar ataupun > > > > > > > untuk tambah bodoh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anda juga bisa mencari "child rape" melalui google, langsung ada > > > jawabannya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > demikian pula kalau menambahkan kata "america", "arab", "iraq", "iran", > > > > > > > "dubai", "turkey" ataupun menambahkan kata "Christian", "moslem", "muslim" > > > > > > > ... apa saja yang anda mau. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > semua langsung ada jawabannya, tapi apakah itu membuat anda pintar? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Bls: [proletar] Re: Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAREWA
Bangsat penipu. Bajingan pendusta. Tidak ada Luling dan Luxenbrg bicara tentang taik... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > Taik kata luling dan luxember, taik pula kata anda. Kali kalau tuh dua orang > yg anda peraja kan itu nyuruh anda makan taik kambing, barangkali akan anda > telan bulat2 pula tuh taik tampa berpikir lagi. Pake otak kek, kritis kek > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > Dari: Jusfiq > Judul: Bls: [proletar] Re: Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. Anda itu bangsat penipu, > PAREWA PAREWA > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 6:47 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAREWA. > > > > Bajingan pendusta. > > > > Tidak ada ilmuwan yang mentertawakan tulisan Luling dan Luxenberg. > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > Begini jadinya kalau orang sudah mempertuhankan luling dan luxemberg.à> > > > > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > > > > > Dari: Jusfiq > > > Judul: [proletar] Re: Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. Anda itu bangsat penipu, > > PAREWA PAREWA > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 6:40 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAREWA. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bajingan pendusta. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tidak ada ilmuwan yang mentertawakan tulisan Luling dan Luxenberg. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, jusfiq yang memang > > > > > > > dungu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kayak babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bisanya pake kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation > > > > > > > masin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > menganggap serius dan mempercayai tulisan Luling dan Luxenberg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yang jadi tertawaan sejumlah ilmuwan hingga mereka tempa > > > > > > > istilah sampaisme > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Menyedihkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Pada Rab, 20/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dari: Jusfiq > > > > > > > Judul: Re: Bls: [proletar] Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. > > > > > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Tanggal: Rabu, 20 April, 2011, 7:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAERWA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bajingan pendusta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tidak ada ilmuwan yang mentertawakan tulisan Luling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebaliknya malah, tulisan dilengkapi dan disempurnakan oleh Luxenberg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, jusfiq yang memang dungu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kayak babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bisanya pake kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation masin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > menganggap serius dan mempercayai tulisan Luling yang jadi tertawaan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sejumlah ilmuwan hingga mereka tempa istilah sampaisme > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Menyedihkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Pada Rab, 20/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dari: Jusfiq > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judul: [proletar] Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tanggal: Rabu, 20 April, 2011, 6:21 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Bls: [proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (PAREWA PAREWA yang sudah gila...)
Anda "mengoreksi pantatnya..."? Gile bener --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: Dari: Jusfiq Judul: Bls: [proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (PAREWA PAREWA yang sudah gila...) Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 6:53 PM PAREWA PAREWA yang otaknya sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan bilang saya menjilat pantat David Silalahi pada hal saya mengoreksi pantatnya... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > jilaaat teru pantat kudisan si david yg denial > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > Dari: Jusfiq > Judul: [proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (David Silalahi & ndeboost > yang omong asal ngaco.) > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 6:37 PM > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Coba anda baca tulisan "ndeboost" yang anda komentari.. > > > > Masaalahnya bukan google atau bukan, tapi dengan otaknya yang busuk dia > menghubungkan kejahatan seksual dengan "Crosstian Pauline" > > > > "Ga perlu diketahui, yg kelakuan gini Kristen apa bukan, > > w/n negara maju apa bukan. Tapi pelakunya jelas w/n > > penduduk negara mayoritas Crosstian Pauline, negara > > maju. Entah hitam, putih atau lainnya. Namun > > kelakuannya iblis, setan laknat." > > > > Terlepas dari itu: > > > > Dalam membaca berita, di internet atau di media cetak diperlukan pertama > kebiasaan untuk mengecek kesahihan fakta yang disampaikan dan menelusuri > logika yang diturutkan. > > > > Di contoh yang sekarang dibicarakna itu "ndeboost" jelas berkomentar tanpa > menggunakan logika, karena tidak ada hubungan antara "Crosstian Pauline" > dengan kejahatan seksual yang diberitkan oleh sumber yagn dikutipnya. > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi wrote: > > > > > > google saat ini memang dewa untuk segala jawaban. > > > > > > anda bisa mencari apa saja, entah pencarian untuk tambah pintar ataupun > > > untuk tambah bodoh. > > > > > > anda juga bisa mencari "child rape" melalui google, langsung ada jawabannya. > > > > > > demikian pula kalau menambahkan kata "america", "arab", "iraq", "iran", > > > "dubai", "turkey" ataupun menambahkan kata "Christian", "moslem", "muslim" > > > ... apa saja yang anda mau. > > > > > > semua langsung ada jawabannya, tapi apakah itu membuat anda pintar? > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Bls: [proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (PAREWA PAREWA yang sudah gila...)
PAREWA PAREWA yang otaknya sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan bilang saya menjilat pantat David Silalahi pada hal saya mengoreksi pendapatnya... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > jilaaat teru pantat kudisan si david yg denial > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > Dari: Jusfiq > Judul: [proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (David Silalahi & ndeboost > yang omong asal ngaco.) > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 6:37 PM > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Coba anda baca tulisan "ndeboost" yang anda komentari.. > > > > Masaalahnya bukan google atau bukan, tapi dengan otaknya yang busuk dia > menghubungkan kejahatan seksual dengan "Crosstian Pauline" > > > > "Ga perlu diketahui, yg kelakuan gini Kristen apa bukan, > > w/n negara maju apa bukan. Tapi pelakunya jelas w/n > > penduduk negara mayoritas Crosstian Pauline, negara > > maju. Entah hitam, putih atau lainnya. Namun > > kelakuannya iblis, setan laknat." > > > > Terlepas dari itu: > > > > Dalam membaca berita, di internet atau di media cetak diperlukan pertama > kebiasaan untuk mengecek kesahihan fakta yang disampaikan dan menelusuri > logika yang diturutkan. > > > > Di contoh yang sekarang dibicarakna itu "ndeboost" jelas berkomentar tanpa > menggunakan logika, karena tidak ada hubungan antara "Crosstian Pauline" > dengan kejahatan seksual yang diberitkan oleh sumber yagn dikutipnya. > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi wrote: > > > > > > google saat ini memang dewa untuk segala jawaban. > > > > > > anda bisa mencari apa saja, entah pencarian untuk tambah pintar ataupun > > > untuk tambah bodoh. > > > > > > anda juga bisa mencari "child rape" melalui google, langsung ada jawabannya. > > > > > > demikian pula kalau menambahkan kata "america", "arab", "iraq", "iran", > > > "dubai", "turkey" ataupun menambahkan kata "Christian", "moslem", "muslim" > > > ... apa saja yang anda mau. > > > > > > semua langsung ada jawabannya, tapi apakah itu membuat anda pintar? > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Bls: [proletar] Re: Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAREWA
Taik kata luling dan luxember, taik pula kata anda. Kali kalau tuh dua orang yg anda peraja kan itu nyuruh anda makan taik kambing, barangkali akan anda telan bulat2 pula tuh taik tampa berpikir lagi. Pake otak kek, kritis kek --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: Dari: Jusfiq Judul: Bls: [proletar] Re: Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAREWA Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 6:47 PM Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAREWA. Bajingan pendusta. Tidak ada ilmuwan yang mentertawakan tulisan Luling dan Luxenberg. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > Begini jadinya kalau orang sudah mempertuhankan luling dan luxemberg. > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > Dari: Jusfiq > Judul: [proletar] Re: Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. Anda itu bangsat penipu, > PAREWA PAREWA > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 6:40 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAREWA. > > > > Bajingan pendusta. > > > > Tidak ada ilmuwan yang mentertawakan tulisan Luling dan Luxenberg. > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, jusfiq yang memang > > > dungu > > > > > > kayak babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma > > > > > > bisanya pake kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation > > > masin > > > > > > menganggap serius dan mempercayai tulisan Luling dan Luxenberg > > > > > > yang jadi tertawaan sejumlah ilmuwan hingga mereka tempa > > > istilah sampaisme > > > > > > Menyedihkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Pada Rab, 20/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > > > > > Dari: Jusfiq > > > Judul: Re: Bls: [proletar] Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Tanggal: Rabu, 20 April, 2011, 7:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAERWA. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bajingan pendusta. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tidak ada ilmuwan yang mentertawakan tulisan Luling. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebaliknya malah, tulisan dilengkapi dan disempurnakan oleh Luxenberg. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, jusfiq yang memang dungu > > > > > > > kayak babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma > > > > > > > bisanya pake kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation masin > > > > > > > menganggap serius dan mempercayai tulisan Luling yang jadi tertawaan > > > > > > > sejumlah ilmuwan hingga mereka tempa istilah sampaisme > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Menyedihkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Pada Rab, 20/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dari: Jusfiq > > > > > > > Judul: [proletar] Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. > > > > > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Tanggal: Rabu, 20 April, 2011, 6:21 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, rezameutia yang memang dungu > > > kayak babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma bisanya > > > pake kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation masin menganggap serius > > > dan mempercayai tulisan Bucaille yang jadi tertawaan sejumlah ilmuwan > > > hingga mereka tempa istilah bucaillisme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Menyedihkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[proletar] PAREWA PAREWA takut berobat.
PAREWA PAREWA takut berobat. Jadi, saya ulang: otak PAREWA PAREWA itu jelas sudah rusak... Dia bukan manusia normal lagi. Dia sudah gila. Saya rentang PAREWA PAREWA itu adalah korban kedunguan orang tuanya yang dungu-dungu kayak anjing dan yang tidak memberikan pendidikan yang memadai untuk dia: dia juga dungu kayak anjing seperti mereka. Dia tidak dilatih untuk memakai otaknya buat berfikir, dia tidak dilatih untuk berfikir kritis. Dia tidak dilatih untuk mempertanyakan apa yang dikatakan orang sekelilingnya. Dia dilatih buat biasa bersikap seperti anjing budug lapar dihadapan taik angat: diajar untuk melahap apa saja yang dikatakan orang sekelilingnya. Makanya, dia sama-sama tidak punya harga diri seperti orang tuanya yang dungu kayak anjing itu dan sama-sama bersedia menjadi korban kibulan orang Arab primitif. Lalu, berkat kemajuan teknologi, dia punya akses ke internet dan sempat melihat kenyataan lain yang pahit lagi menyilaukan yang ditunjukkan orang lain di internet: ajaran agama Islam yang dianutnya dan yang dikiranya berdasarkan kebenaran dan berdasarkan wahyu dari Allah itu ternyata cuman berdasarkan omong kosong dan kibulan hasil khayalan orang Arab primitif. Karena dia tidak dilatih untuk memakai otaknya untuk berfikir dan untuk mempertanyakan apa yang dia yakini selama ini maka dia bingung dihadapan kenyataan itu: groggy. Dia jadi gila. Gila dan lantas kalap. Lalu dia jadi tukang fitnah dan penyebar dusta. Seperti halnya hampir semua peserta Islam yang hadir disini yang seperti dia juga tidak terlatih untuk memakai otak mereka buat berfikir, untuk berfikir secara kritis. Untuk kembali menemukan keseimbangan, hanya psikiater yang bisa menolongnya. Tapi PAREWA PAREWA takut berobat. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Bls: [proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (David Silalahi & ndeboost yang omong asal ngaco.)
jilaaat teru pantat kudisan si david yg denial --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: Dari: Jusfiq Judul: [proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (David Silalahi & ndeboost yang omong asal ngaco.) Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 6:37 PM Coba anda baca tulisan "ndeboost" yang anda komentari.. Masaalahnya bukan google atau bukan, tapi dengan otaknya yang busuk dia menghubungkan kejahatan seksual dengan "Crosstian Pauline" "Ga perlu diketahui, yg kelakuan gini Kristen apa bukan, w/n negara maju apa bukan. Tapi pelakunya jelas w/n penduduk negara mayoritas Crosstian Pauline, negara maju. Entah hitam, putih atau lainnya. Namun kelakuannya iblis, setan laknat." Terlepas dari itu: Dalam membaca berita, di internet atau di media cetak diperlukan pertama kebiasaan untuk mengecek kesahihan fakta yang disampaikan dan menelusuri logika yang diturutkan. Di contoh yang sekarang dibicarakna itu "ndeboost" jelas berkomentar tanpa menggunakan logika, karena tidak ada hubungan antara "Crosstian Pauline" dengan kejahatan seksual yang diberitkan oleh sumber yagn dikutipnya. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi wrote: > > google saat ini memang dewa untuk segala jawaban. > > anda bisa mencari apa saja, entah pencarian untuk tambah pintar ataupun > untuk tambah bodoh. > > anda juga bisa mencari "child rape" melalui google, langsung ada jawabannya. > > demikian pula kalau menambahkan kata "america", "arab", "iraq", "iran", > "dubai", "turkey" ataupun menambahkan kata "Christian", "moslem", "muslim" > ... apa saja yang anda mau. > > semua langsung ada jawabannya, tapi apakah itu membuat anda pintar? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Bls: [proletar] Re: Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAREWA
Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAREWA. Bajingan pendusta. Tidak ada ilmuwan yang mentertawakan tulisan Luling dan Luxenberg. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > Begini jadinya kalau orang sudah mempertuhankan luling dan luxemberg. > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > Dari: Jusfiq > Judul: [proletar] Re: Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. Anda itu bangsat penipu, > PAREWA PAREWA > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 6:40 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAREWA. > > > > Bajingan pendusta. > > > > Tidak ada ilmuwan yang mentertawakan tulisan Luling dan Luxenberg. > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, jusfiq yang memang > > > dungu > > > > > > kayak babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma > > > > > > bisanya pake kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation > > > masin > > > > > > menganggap serius dan mempercayai tulisan Luling dan Luxenberg > > > > > > yang jadi tertawaan sejumlah ilmuwan hingga mereka tempa > > > istilah sampaisme > > > > > > Menyedihkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Pada Rab, 20/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > > > > > Dari: Jusfiq > > > Judul: Re: Bls: [proletar] Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Tanggal: Rabu, 20 April, 2011, 7:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAERWA. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bajingan pendusta. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tidak ada ilmuwan yang mentertawakan tulisan Luling. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebaliknya malah, tulisan dilengkapi dan disempurnakan oleh Luxenberg. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, jusfiq yang memang dungu > > > > > > > kayak babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma > > > > > > > bisanya pake kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation masin > > > > > > > menganggap serius dan mempercayai tulisan Luling yang jadi tertawaan > > > > > > > sejumlah ilmuwan hingga mereka tempa istilah sampaisme > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Menyedihkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Pada Rab, 20/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dari: Jusfiq > > > > > > > Judul: [proletar] Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. > > > > > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Tanggal: Rabu, 20 April, 2011, 6:21 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, rezameutia yang memang dungu > > > kayak babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma bisanya > > > pake kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation masin menganggap serius > > > dan mempercayai tulisan Bucaille yang jadi tertawaan sejumlah ilmuwan > > > hingga mereka tempa istilah bucaillisme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Menyedihkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/
[proletar] CNN: Bahrain in the shadow of Iran, Saudi Arabia and the United States
Bahrain in the shadow of Iran, Saudi Arabia and the United States By Arshin Adib-Moghaddam, Special to CNN April 25, 2011 -- Updated 1032 GMT (1832 HKT) tzleft.arshin.EM.jpg STORY HIGHLIGHTS * Bahrain's fate is bound to regional politics, says Arshin Adib-Moghaddam * Saudi Arabia's suspicion of Iran is a key factor, he says * Iran has a vested interest in what happens in Bahrain * "Is it not impossible to keep Iran out of what is happening in the area?" asks Adib-Moghaddam Editor's note: Arshin Adib-Moghaddam is University Lecturer in Comparative and International Politics at SOAS, University of London. He is the author of "Iran in World Politics: the Question of the Islamic Republic," and his most recent book, "A metahistory of the clash of civilizations: Us and them beyond Orientalism" has just been published by Columbia University Press and Hurst. (CNN) -- There are disturbing accounts from major human rights organizations about abuses in Bahrain and the systematic state violence that has been unleashed on the opposition movement against the monarchy of the Al-Khalifa family. And yet Bahrain has not become the story because the movement for social justice, government accountability and independence is being violently suppressed, but because of wider strategic calculations that bind the fate of the island to the future of regional politics. There are at least three strategic issues at stake when it comes to the political present and future of the country. First, Bahrain hosts a major naval base for the U.S. fifth fleet, and the ruling Al-Khalifa family has been a trusted ally of the United States for several decades. Yet Bahrain's rulers have not taken advantage of the security guarantees provided by successive U.S. governments in order to open up the political system or to sponsor a rather more equitable social and economic order. According to the constitution of Bahrain the king appoints all members of the upper house of the parliament, while the lower house was voted into office in 2010. In the absence of a strong legitimacy of the state, systematic violence has functioned as a short cut to safeguard the regime. --Arshin Adib-Moghaddam But this has not lead to real political representation of the majority Shia population or to a system of wealth distribution that is equitable. In fact, Bahrain continues to be one of the few hereditary monarchies of the world. In the absence of a strong legitimacy of the state, systematic violence has functioned as a short cut to safeguard the regime. Hence, the current crackdown, which has not drawn much criticism from the United States and the European Union, who were/are by far louder about the situation in Libya (and indeed about anything that happens in Iran). The second strategic factor is the involvement of Saudi Arabia. After Yemen, Bahrain is the second country in which the Saudis have intervened militarily in support of long-standing allies battling restive societies. In Bahrain, military forces dispatched from Saudi Arabia have helped suppress the protest, and for pragmatic reasons: From the perspective of the Saudi state, a Shia-dominated Bahrain could be a potential ally of Iran, and the downfall of a tribal monarchy that rests on a comparably absolute mandate to rule could trigger a domino effect throughout the Arabian peninsula. After all, demonstrators in both Saudi and Bahrain have made it clear that political power should be shared, that hoarding the political process and the wealth of their countries around a family clique is not acceptable anymore. The Saudi suspicion toward Iranian motives brings us to the third strategic factor. Ultimately, all major protests by Shia in Saudi Arabia or Bahrain, both during the rule of the Shah and even more so after the Islamic revolution of 1979, have been blamed in one way or another on Iran. It is true that Iran has a vested interest in what is happening in Bahrain and that the country has a degree of cultural and political influence throughout the wider Persian Gulf area. But in Bahrain, as elsewhere in the Arab world, the demonstrations are not driven by sectarian motives. The revolts are primarily about government accountability, social justice and human rights. These demands cross religious, ethnic, tribal and class lines. The sectarian card was played by the hardliners in the Al-Khalifa family in order to divert attention away from the demands of the people by blaming Iran for the uprising. And yet, none of the movements in the region have been about Iran. The model of an "Islamic Republic" is very unique to the modern history of the country and not really transferable to anywhere else, certainly not in the same format. Is it not irrational and ultimately impossible to keep Iran out of what is happening in the area? --Arshin Adib-Moghaddam Explain it to me: Mideast/African unrest RELATED TOPICS * Bahrain * Saudi Arabia
Bls: [proletar] Re: Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAREWA
Begini jadinya kalau orang sudah mempertuhankan luling dan luxemberg. --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: Dari: Jusfiq Judul: [proletar] Re: Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAREWA Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 6:40 PM Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAREWA. Bajingan pendusta. Tidak ada ilmuwan yang mentertawakan tulisan Luling dan Luxenberg. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, jusfiq yang memang > dungu > > kayak babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma > > bisanya pake kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation > masin > > menganggap serius dan mempercayai tulisan Luling dan Luxenberg > > yang jadi tertawaan sejumlah ilmuwan hingga mereka tempa > istilah sampaisme > > Menyedihkan. > > > > --- Pada Rab, 20/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > Dari: Jusfiq > Judul: Re: Bls: [proletar] Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Rabu, 20 April, 2011, 7:22 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAERWA. > > > > Bajingan pendusta. > > > > Tidak ada ilmuwan yang mentertawakan tulisan Luling. > > > > Sebaliknya malah, tulisan dilengkapi dan disempurnakan oleh Luxenberg. > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, jusfiq yang memang dungu > > > kayak babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma > > > bisanya pake kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation masin > > > menganggap serius dan mempercayai tulisan Luling yang jadi tertawaan > > > sejumlah ilmuwan hingga mereka tempa istilah sampaisme > > > > > > > > > > > > Menyedihkan. > > > > > > --- Pada Rab, 20/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > > > > > Dari: Jusfiq > > > Judul: [proletar] Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Tanggal: Rabu, 20 April, 2011, 6:21 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, rezameutia yang memang dungu kayak > > babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma bisanya pake > > kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation masin menganggap serius dan > > mempercayai tulisan Bucaille yang jadi tertawaan sejumlah ilmuwan hingga > > mereka tempa istilah bucaillisme. > > > > > > > > > > > > Menyedihkan. > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Selain Suryana, apa ada orang Nasrani yang tukang fitnah disini?
Selain Suryana, apa ada orang Nasrani yang tukang fitnah disini? Sedangkan peserta yang menganut agama Islam itu rata-rata adalah bajingan pendusta dan bangsta tukang fitnah. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAREWA
Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAREWA. Bajingan pendusta. Tidak ada ilmuwan yang mentertawakan tulisan Luling dan Luxenberg. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, jusfiq yang memang > dungu > > kayak babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma > > bisanya pake kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation > masin > > menganggap serius dan mempercayai tulisan Luling dan Luxenberg > > yang jadi tertawaan sejumlah ilmuwan hingga mereka tempa > istilah sampaisme > > Menyedihkan. > > > > --- Pada Rab, 20/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > Dari: Jusfiq > Judul: Re: Bls: [proletar] Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Rabu, 20 April, 2011, 7:22 PM > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAERWA. > > > > Bajingan pendusta. > > > > Tidak ada ilmuwan yang mentertawakan tulisan Luling. > > > > Sebaliknya malah, tulisan dilengkapi dan disempurnakan oleh Luxenberg. > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > > > > > Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, jusfiq yang memang dungu > > > kayak babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma > > > bisanya pake kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation masin > > > menganggap serius dan mempercayai tulisan Luling yang jadi tertawaan > > > sejumlah ilmuwan hingga mereka tempa istilah sampaisme > > > > > > > > > > > > Menyedihkan. > > > > > > --- Pada Rab, 20/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > > > > > Dari: Jusfiq > > > Judul: [proletar] Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Tanggal: Rabu, 20 April, 2011, 6:21 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, rezameutia yang memang dungu kayak > > babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma bisanya pake > > kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation masin menganggap serius dan > > mempercayai tulisan Bucaille yang jadi tertawaan sejumlah ilmuwan hingga > > mereka tempa istilah bucaillisme. > > > > > > > > > > > > Menyedihkan. > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (David Silalahi & ndeboost yang omong asal ngaco.)
Coba anda baca tulisan "ndeboost" yang anda komentari.. Masaalahnya bukan google atau bukan, tapi dengan otaknya yang busuk dia menghubungkan kejahatan seksual dengan "Crosstian Pauline" "Ga perlu diketahui, yg kelakuan gini Kristen apa bukan, w/n negara maju apa bukan. Tapi pelakunya jelas w/n penduduk negara mayoritas Crosstian Pauline, negara maju. Entah hitam, putih atau lainnya. Namun kelakuannya iblis, setan laknat." Terlepas dari itu: Dalam membaca berita, di internet atau di media cetak diperlukan pertama kebiasaan untuk mengecek kesahihan fakta yang disampaikan dan menelusuri logika yang diturutkan. Di contoh yang sekarang dibicarakna itu "ndeboost" jelas berkomentar tanpa menggunakan logika, karena tidak ada hubungan antara "Crosstian Pauline" dengan kejahatan seksual yang diberitkan oleh sumber yagn dikutipnya. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, David Silalahi wrote: > > google saat ini memang dewa untuk segala jawaban. > > anda bisa mencari apa saja, entah pencarian untuk tambah pintar ataupun > untuk tambah bodoh. > > anda juga bisa mencari "child rape" melalui google, langsung ada jawabannya. > > demikian pula kalau menambahkan kata "america", "arab", "iraq", "iran", > "dubai", "turkey" ataupun menambahkan kata "Christian", "moslem", "muslim" > ... apa saja yang anda mau. > > semua langsung ada jawabannya, tapi apakah itu membuat anda pintar? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) (PAREWA tukang fitnah yang busuk, nista lagi menji
Bangsat penipu.. Bajingan pendusta. Tukang fitnah yang busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan. Tidak ada saya bilang "google lah yg bikin saya "pintar" --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > Denial politics. Sebaliknya kata si jusfiq, google lah yg bikin dia "pintar" > > --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, David Silalahi menulis: > > Dari: David Silalahi > Judul: Re: [proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 4:54 PM > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > google saat ini memang dewa untuk segala jawaban. > > > > anda bisa mencari apa saja, entah pencarian untuk tambah pintar ataupun > > untuk tambah bodoh. > > > > anda juga bisa mencari "child rape" melalui google, langsung ada jawabannya. > > > > demikian pula kalau menambahkan kata "america", "arab", "iraq", "iran", > > "dubai", "turkey" ataupun menambahkan kata "Christian", "moslem", "muslim" > > ... apa saja yang anda mau. > > > > semua langsung ada jawabannya, tapi apakah itu membuat anda pintar? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] WikiLeaks discloses new details on whereabouts of al-Qaeda leaders on 9/11
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/wikileaks-discloses-new-details-on-whereabouts-of-al-qaeda-leaders-on-911/2011/04/24/AFvvzIeE_story.html?nl_headlines WikiLeaks discloses new details on whereabouts of al-Qaeda leaders on 9/11 View Photo Gallery - The Obama's administrations plans to close the detention center at Guantanamo have been undermined by political miscalculations and timidity in the face of congressional opposition, officials say. By Peter Finn, Sunday, April 24, 9:13 PM On Sept. 11, 2001, the core of al-Qaeda was concentrated in a single city: Karachi, Pakistan. At a hospital, the accused mastermind of the bombing of the USS Cole was recovering from a tonsillectomy. Nearby, the alleged organizer of the 2002 bombing in Bali, Indonesia, was buying lab equipment for a biological weapons program. And in a safe house, the man who would later describe himself as the intellectual author of the Sept. 11 attacks was with other key al-Qaeda members watching the scenes from New York and Washington unfold on television. Within a day, much of the al-Qaeda leadership was on the way back to Afghanistan, planning for a long war. A cache of classified military documents obtained by the anti-secrecy organization WikiLeaks presents new details of their whereabouts on Sept. 11, 2001, and their movements afterward. The documents also offer some tantalizing glimpses into the whereabouts and operations of Osama bin Laden and his Egyptian deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri. The documents, provided to European and U.S. news outlets, including The Washington Post, are intelligence assessments of nearly every one of the 779 individuals who have been held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, since 2002. In them, analysts have created detailed portraits of detainees based on raw intelligence, including material gleaned from interrogations. Detainees are assessed "high," "medium" or "low" in terms of their intelligence value, the threat they pose while in detention and the continued threat they might pose to the United States if released. The documents tend to take a bleak view of the detainees, even those who have been ordered released by the federal courts because of a lack of evidence to justify their continued detention. And the assessments are often based, in part, on reporting by informants at the military detention center, sources that some judges have found wanting. In a statement, the Pentagon, which described the decision to publish some of the material as "unfortunate," stressed the incomplete and snapshot nature of the assessments, known as Detainee Assessment Briefs, or DABs. "The Guantanamo Review Task Force, established in January 2009, considered the DABs during its review of detainee information," said Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell and Ambassador Daniel Fried, the Obama administration's special envoy on detainee issues. "In some cases, the Task Force came to the same conclusions as the DABs. In other instances the Review Task Force came to different conclusions, based on updated or other available information. Any given DAB illegally obtained and released by Wikileaks may or may not represent the current view of a given detainee." Regardless of how detainees are currently assessed, many of the documents shed light on their histories, particularly those of the 14 high-value detainees whose assessments were made available. When pieced together, they capture some of the drama of al-Qaeda's scattering in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks. They also point to tensions between certain members of the terrorist group. Among other previously unknown meetings, the documents describe a major gathering of some of al-Qaeda's most senior operatives in early December 2001 in Zormat, a mountainous region of Afghanistan between Kabul and Khost. There, the operatives began to plan new attacks, a process that would consume them, according to the assessments, until they were finally captured. A hectic three months According to the documents, four days after the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden visited a guesthouse in Afghanistan's Kandahar province. He told the Arab fighters gathered there "to defend Afghanistan against the infidel invaders" and to "fight in the name of Allah." It was beginning of a peripatetic three months for bin Laden and Zawahiri. Traveling by car among several locations in Afghanistan, bin Laden handed out assignments to his followers, met with some of the Taliban leadership and delegated control of al-Qaeda to the group's Shura Council, presumably because he feared being captured or killed as U.S. forces closed in. At some point, bin Laden and Zawahiri used a secret guesthouse in or relatively near Kabul. The al-Qaeda leader welcomed a stream of visitors and issued a series of orders, including instructions to continue operations against Western targets. He dispersed his fighters from training camps and instructed women and children, including some of hi
[proletar] Re: pertanda, alamat, sign
hmmm .. begini toh, dance with lion ;o) tapi untuk sementara ini blum bisa ditanggapi, maka posting ini untuk ngasih tanda (marked) aja dulu yag. kudu bikin telaahan dulu untuk besok yg dua kabupaten mo asistensi buat kelarin perda rtrw-nya (uu 26 / 2007). taon 2011 ini kayaknya bakal terus tight, termasuk persiapan ambil brevet penyidik sekaligus lisensi buat nenteng bareta ;o) --- "ajeg" wrote: > > > Trims. > > Tadi sore pas lagi nggak ada acara dan kebetulan > ujan gede pula, jadi sempet kejebak suasana tol tempohari, > dan.. mumpung belom kena tagih duke nih, hehe.. > > Ayo dong bagi-bagi setorinya sama lagu ini atau sama > lagu lain. Atau yang tanpa lagu juga boleh. > > --- "rezameutia" wrote: > > > tulisan cakeep... > > > > > > --- "ajeg" wrote: > > > > > Purbaleunyi menuju Bandung disiram hujan. Semakin ke sana > > > semakin deras dan akhirnya lebat berdebam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebuah perjalanan yang mirip tarian bersama kucing. Mengandung > > > bahaya namun indah menyenangkan. > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5fRVm3k1aY > > > > > > > > > Buat yang pernah (atau masih) doyan dugeman pasti punya setori > > > dengan ini lagu. Ayo dibagi-bagi ceritanya. Yang derita kek, > > > yang ceria kek, pokoknya berceritalah seolah besok matahari nggak > > > terbit lagi, hehe.. > > > > > > catetan, > > > untuk dapetin sensasinya biarkan suara bas meledak-ledak di > > > ruangan - kalau bisa ya pas ujan juga.. > > > > > > > > > -- > Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: The Special One...
sayangnya gw gk ikut nonton el clasico jilid tiga alias final piala raja kemarin, karena lagi bulak-balik di tengah kepulauan kecil yg tersebar di natuna perkara penyu illegal. spesifik about mou, ni orang kudu makin diakui as a special, as the one, the special one setidaknya bagi gw yg selama ini skeptis terhadap doi berbanding reputasi utk bacot gedenya. serta subjektifnya adalah puncak keberhasilan di piala raja. pertama, mou sanggup membangkitkan "macan tidur" dari bayang2 kebesaran los galacticos namun selama ini nyaris ompong ketika mereka dihadapkan pada superior para catalans di 5 taon akhir. mou sbg motivator ulung mulai nampak hasilnya lewat strategi "resek" yg menugaskan sang terminator "pepe" yg liar, bertenaga dan "buas" (ingat waktu pepe pernah menendang bahkan menginjak2 striker lawan dgn sadis -lupa klub mana- sekitar dua musim lalu?), lalu mengacak2 trisula xavi-iniesta-messi pada el clasico 2011 dgn hasil imbang. itulah eksperimen teranyar versi mou dan ok secara strategi dan keputusan pelatih, bukan via kaka ato ozil. bahkan casillas yg biasanya santun dan gak banyak bunyi, kini berubah nyinyir dan intimidatif terutama buat melawan barca. kedua, mou amat sadar bahwa gak ada celah sekecil apapun yg patut membuat real madrid jadi minder apalagi kalah terutama untuk el clasico. maka mou dianggap sosok "the only one" yg memang punya misi khusus menghadapi lalu menundukkan catalans. maka mou coba bereksperimen, masalahnya bukan pada barcelona yg memang biang masalah bagi tiap klub pada lima taon terakhir di tiap ajang, tapi gimana memadukan ego bintang los galacticos. mungkin agak beresiko bahkan fatal, saat el clasico 2010 sbg jilid satu yg malah "menampar" wajah (bukan lagi pipi) sang mou dgn lima jari alias 0 - 5, yg lalu dikenal sebutan "la manita". sbg konseptor dan pendendam ulung, mou menerima hinaan itu dgn bibir terkatub seraya dijadikan batu loncatan utk jangka panjang. sbg konseptor, mou menerima hinaan utk ditimpakan kepadanya tapi ia balikkan menjadi kondisi traumatis bagi sergio ramos yg jelas paling terpukul saat itu dgn mendorong muka puyol, casillas yg seharusnya melupakan sentimentil "sesama anggota tim world cup" pada rekannya yg mayoritas catalans lalu menjadi musuh terbesar, terutama sang super ego lainnya aka mr. belagu sedunia : ronaldo. jadi mou perlu mengadu domba sesama spanyol dulu utk bisa merusak kemapanan tim la furia roja, kembali ke castilans vs catalans ala jendral franco. sisanya? biarkan si ronaldo marah dan makin brutal (termasuk pepe, dua porto yg selalu merasa portugis lebih senior ketimbang espanol) termasuk menjadikan messi sbg target personal. mungkin salah satu percakapan fiksi di ruang ganti setelah 45 mnt tanpa gebrakan striker di piala raja, kira2 begini bunyinya : "kalian udah pernah kena gampar 0 - 5, lalu kemaren pas2an bisa draw di menit akhir tapi maknanya sama : you're nothing at all. maka nasib dan pamor kalian, bukan lagi real madrid, ada di 45 mnt berikutnya dan semua terserah kalian. dunia akan mencatat semua!" (mirip sabda benitez di istambul, di film dokumenter "15 minutes that shock the world" saat ia sbg pelatih baru buat liverpool). sbg pendendam ulung, sudah jelas mou termasuk biang di dalamnya. walau dari skenario lima el clasico, ia cuma cukup satu sejarah utk membalikkan bangku kemapanan el barca dan ia pilih di ajang spesialisasinya yakni piala lokal sekaligus meneruskan reputasi. namun mou sudah mulai menikmati hasil racikkan racunnya, casillas dan ramos makin lapar meladeni xavi dan puyol. sementara pepe dan ronaldo makin beringas dan menular kepada ozil, maria, khedira juga benzema yg notabene "kencur" dlm tradisi dunia plus kisruh derbi maha dahsyat dalam ratusan tahun yg bernama el clasico. yep .. oknum itu bernama mou .. the special one --- "ajeg" wrote: > > > Pertandingan yang betul-betul ketat. Mourinho menerapkan > strategi "tawuran" model perang jaman Romawi. Permainan jadi > super ketat, super rapat, sehingga bisa ada 15 pemain berkumpul > di lapangan tengah saling tusuk saling cegat mirip Bharata > Yudha. Rupanya strategi ini cukup ampuh untuk mematikan > kecepatan tik-tak anak-anak Barca. Walhasil, mati kutulah > "King David" & sang "Messias". > > Entah kenapa Mourinho lebih memilih mengganti Ozil ketimbang > mengembangkan serangan lewat sayap kiri. Seolah dia mau bilang > ke Pep, "ini baru pake satu sayap lho," hehe.. > > Di Maria, kutunggu golmu. Sanggupkah gol-golmu mencopot > hatiku dari Barca..? > > Enggaklah. > Paling cuma bikin bergetar doang. > > Tapi tetep gua tunggu. > > > --- "rezameutia" wrote: > > > Jose Mourinho memang hebat dan layak mendapat julukan > > 'The Special One'. Selama karir sebagai manager sepak bola > > dari mulai Porto sampe Real Madrid, Jose Morinho selalu > > mendapatkan gelar juara. > > > > Ditambah lagi, selama karirnya Jose Mourinho rekor 149 tidak > > pernah kalah dikandang dan baru terkalahkan ketika dipukul > > Sporting Gijon 0-1 kemarin. > >
Re: [proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (2)
Denial politics. Sebaliknya kata si jusfiq, google lah yg bikin dia "pintar" --- Pada Sen, 25/4/11, David Silalahi menulis: Dari: David Silalahi Judul: Re: [proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Senin, 25 April, 2011, 4:54 PM google saat ini memang dewa untuk segala jawaban. anda bisa mencari apa saja, entah pencarian untuk tambah pintar ataupun untuk tambah bodoh. anda juga bisa mencari "child rape" melalui google, langsung ada jawabannya. demikian pula kalau menambahkan kata "america", "arab", "iraq", "iran", "dubai", "turkey" ataupun menambahkan kata "Christian", "moslem", "muslim" ... apa saja yang anda mau. semua langsung ada jawabannya, tapi apakah itu membuat anda pintar? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (2)
Allah menjadi penggangur bila tidak ada setan. Setan memberi pekerjaan kepada Allah dan manusia yang menyembahNya. - Original Message - From: David Silalahi To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) google saat ini memang dewa untuk segala jawaban. anda bisa mencari apa saja, entah pencarian untuk tambah pintar ataupun untuk tambah bodoh. anda juga bisa mencari "child rape" melalui google, langsung ada jawabannya. demikian pula kalau menambahkan kata "america", "arab", "iraq", "iran", "dubai", "turkey" ataupun menambahkan kata "Christian", "moslem", "muslim" ... apa saja yang anda mau. semua langsung ada jawabannya, tapi apakah itu membuat anda pintar? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (2)
google saat ini memang dewa untuk segala jawaban. anda bisa mencari apa saja, entah pencarian untuk tambah pintar ataupun untuk tambah bodoh. anda juga bisa mencari "child rape" melalui google, langsung ada jawabannya. demikian pula kalau menambahkan kata "america", "arab", "iraq", "iran", "dubai", "turkey" ataupun menambahkan kata "Christian", "moslem", "muslim" ... apa saja yang anda mau. semua langsung ada jawabannya, tapi apakah itu membuat anda pintar? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Bls: [proletar] Bucaille...oh Bucaille..
Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, jusfiq yang memang dungu kayak babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma bisanya pake kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation masin menganggap serius dan mempercayai tulisan Luling dan Luxenberg yang jadi tertawaan sejumlah ilmuwan hingga mereka tempa istilah sampaisme Menyedihkan. --- Pada Rab, 20/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: Dari: Jusfiq Judul: Re: Bls: [proletar] Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Rabu, 20 April, 2011, 7:22 PM Anda itu bangsat penipu, PAREWA PAERWA. Bajingan pendusta. Tidak ada ilmuwan yang mentertawakan tulisan Luling. Sebaliknya malah, tulisan dilengkapi dan disempurnakan oleh Luxenberg. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA wrote: > > Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, jusfiq yang memang dungu > kayak babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma > bisanya pake kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation masin > menganggap serius dan mempercayai tulisan Luling yang jadi tertawaan > sejumlah ilmuwan hingga mereka tempa istilah sampaisme > > > > Menyedihkan. > > --- Pada Rab, 20/4/11, Jusfiq menulis: > > Dari: Jusfiq > Judul: [proletar] Bucaille...oh Bucaille.. > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Tanggal: Rabu, 20 April, 2011, 6:21 PM > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tahun 2011 dan punya akses ke internet, rezameutia yang memang dungu kayak > babi dan yang otaknya sudah rusak berat dan mikir juga cuma bisanya pake > kontol yang menderita premature ejaculation masin menganggap serius dan > mempercayai tulisan Bucaille yang jadi tertawaan sejumlah ilmuwan hingga > mereka tempa istilah bucaillisme. > > > > Menyedihkan. > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Bls: [proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (2)
seperti biasa --- Pada Sab, 23/4/11, ndeboost menulis: Dari: ndeboost Judul: [proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Sabtu, 23 April, 2011, 5:53 PM Ga perlu diketahui, yg kelakuan gini Kristen apa bukan, w/n negara maju apa bukan. Tapi pelakunya jelas w/n penduduk negara mayoritas Crosstian Pauline, negara maju. Entah hitam, putih atau lainnya. Namun kelakuannya iblis, setan laknat. Primary teacher charged with child rape Robert Stringer, 56, of Hertfordshire, will appear at Uxbridge Magistrates Court. The drama and class teacher was sacked earlier this year from Canonbury Primary School in Islington, north London, whose pupils include one of London Mayor Boris Johnson's children and a child of Transport Minister Lord Adonis. Stringer was sacked after it emerged he was being investigated for showing the film Shakespeare in Love, including sex scenes, to children at another school. The school's headteacher Jay Henderson was sacked this month after being caught watching pornography on the internet at work. The majority of governors at the school resigned earlier this year after claims that teachers were not properly vetted. An inquiry is under way. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Aljazeera: 'No humanity left' in Syria
'No humanity left' in Syria By Cal Perry in on April 24th, 2011. Every other journalist is trying to get into Syria, but on Saturday I was trying to get out. The government had made it perfectly clear: My visa was expiring and unless I left on April 23, I would "face the full force of the law". I had agreed the night before with my cameraman, Ben Mitchell, over a drink that neither of us wanted to discover what "full force of the law" meant. So the debate was really whether I should fly out from Damascus or drive to Amman, Jordan, and fly from there. The decision was made that he would fly out from Damascus, the Syrian capital, with the gear and I would drive to Amman. I had left my second passport there with a friend. One for Arab countries and the other for Israel. Welcome to 21st century diplomatic relations. I decided to wait until after noon prayers before setting out south to the border. If the roads were going to be blocked with various pieces of burning detritus, as they had the day before, I wanted to know first. It's about 125km from Damascus to the Jordanian border - a drive that should only take an hour or so, especially with the way Syrian drivers tend to step on the gas. I was in a really bad mood on this particular morning as I was by default being expelled from the country. I said very little to the driver as we set out, which is unusual for me. I've been grilled in the old school style of journalism: I can still hear the voice of one of my mentors saying "eyes and ears Mr Perry ... eyes and ears". The only two questions I asked my driver as we left Damascus were his name, and where he was from. "Abdel from Daraa," he told me. "Beautiful city," I responded. Truth was: I didn't know if it was beautiful or not. It was less than four weeks ago when I tried to access the city (which lies right against the Jordanian border in the South) and was turned back by the army. It was my first week in Syria when we tried to cover the initial protests in Daraa. I remember coming across that army checkpoint and two machine-gun positions had been "pre-sighted". 'Kill zone' An old military technique that I learned from the US Marine Corps about after years in Iraq: Soldiers will simply take two posts, put them at approximately "two o'clock and ten o'clock" as your eyes would scan the horizon: a certain distance out - fire off a few rounds until you hit the post. Then mark that spot on the machine guns sightings - and just like that ... you've got yourself a "pre-sighted kill zone". A kill zone. The name says it all. US marines have a particular knack for naming things that describe exactly what they really are. I knew that day, seeing those posts and that "kill zone" that the government was taking these small demonstrations (at the time) very seriously. Syria up until these past five weeks had been a quiet country, while the rest of the region seemed to continue to burn. Of course it became clear the day before, on April the 22nd, that the government would no longer stand for the type of dissent that had spread: clear opposition to the regime. Over a hundred people were killed across the country on a bloody Friday, the bloodiest since the protests began. I tried to get out of the hotel and around the country as best I could throughout my month there. But as I told a colleague: "I don't blend in really well - and this government is rounding up journalists." It was really that, and a few bad incidents I had come across while trying to get out and about. Be it my camera being wrested away from me outside the main mosque in Damascus or my drive through the neighbourhood of Barza in Damascus the previous week. Barzah: A bad neighbourhood to begin with ... it had gone from bad to worse the Friday I decided to drive through and take a look. Men with metal pipes were in the middle of the street beating people. At least a dozen walking wounded were headed away from the main mosque there, some bleeding from the head; others had their hands bandaged. Clearly there had been a hand-to-hand brutal battle. Ambulances raced away from the scene - and each time I would have the driver circle back they would wave the pipes as if to say: "We dare you to get out of that car." Gunfire raining into crowd My grumpy attitude, Abdel [the driver] and I were approaching the city of Izraa when something immediately clearly horrible was unfolding down the road directly in front of us. People, mostly truck drivers, were standing on the highway ... yelling at the cars approaching - telling them to pull over. Screaming and waving widely. I saw one making signs with his hands. He was mimicking the motion of a machine gun firing. I got my bearings, noticing right away two road signs: one pointing to the right that read "Izraa: 1km" and the other pointing to the left that read "Daraa". It dawned on me at that moment that I had been here before. We
[proletar] BBC: Wikileaks: Many at Guantanamo 'not dangerous'
25 April 2011 Last updated at 07:23 GMT Wikileaks: Many at Guantanamo 'not dangerous' Guantanamo Bay detention facility President Obama pledged in January 2009 to close the prison within a year Files obtained by the whistleblowing website Wikileaks have revealed that the US believed many of those held at Guantanamo Bay were innocent or only low-level operatives. The files, published in US and European newspapers, are assessments of all 780 people ever held at the facility. They show that about 220 were classed as dangerous terrorists, but 150 were innocent Afghans and Pakistanis. The Pentagon said the files' release could damage anti-terrorism efforts. The latest have been published in the Guardian, New York Times and other newspapers. It was not clear whether the papers had co-operated with Wikileaks in their release. The Times said they received the files through "another source". The Detainee Assessment Briefs (DABs) also give details of alleged plots, revealed under interrogation, against US and European targets. They included unverified claims that al-Qaeda had hidden a nuclear weapon in Europe for detonation should Osama Bin laden be captured. Other alleged plots include plans to put cyanide into the air conditioning systems of US public buildings and attempts by al-Qaeda to recruit workers at London's Heathrow Airport. But the files give little information on the allegations of harsh treatment and interrogation techniques at the camp. There are now just under 180 detainees at the US naval base in Cuba, which President Barack Obama has pledged to shut down. Most of those remaining are deemed to pose a high risk threat to the US if released without adequate rehabilitation and supervision. The files show that US military analysts considered only 220 of those ever detained at Guantanamo to be dangerous extremists. Another 380 were deemed to be low-ranking soldiers who had travelled to Afghanistan or were part of the Taliban. At least another 150 people were innocent Afghans or Pakistanis - including drivers, farmers and chefs - rounded up during frantic intelligence gathering in war zones. Mistaken identity These were then detained for years due to mistaken identity or because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, the memos say. Among them were a cameraman for the al-Jazeera news network, Sami al-Hajj, who was held for six years, and Abdul Badr Mannan, an anti-extremist author who told US officials he had been framed by the Pakistani security services, the Guardian reports. In many cases, US commanders concluded there was "no reason recorded for transfer". The memo relating to Mukhibullo Abdukarimovich Umarov, a Tajik man arrested in Karachi in 2002 who spent almost two years at Guantanamo (GTMO) cites: "It is undetermined as to why the detainee was transferred to GTMO." The Pentagon said the leak was "unfortunate" and described the assessments as snapshots that may now be outdated. Officials said they and the office of former President George W Bush had "made every effort to act with the utmost care and diligence in transferring detainees from Guantanamo", adding that the document disclosure could damage efforts to protect US citizens. The BBC's Jonny Dymond in Washington says many of the details have been known about, but not from an official US source. The 779 documents were part of a cache of secret memos leaked to Wikileaks last year. The founder of Wikileaks, Julian Assange, is currently battling extradition from the UK to Sweden, where he is wanted over allegations of sexual assault. His supporters say the case is politically motivated because his organisation has antagonised the US authorities - they fear he will be handed over to the US if extradited. The Guantanamo Bay detention facility was set up in 2001 under the Bush administration - President Obama pledged in January 2009 to close it within a year. However, in March this year he announced he was lifting a two-year freeze on new military trials for detainees there. The White House says Mr Obama remains committed to the eventual closure of Guantanamo Bay. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Orang Islam udah pada terkapar dihadapan orang kafir seperti "item abu"..
Orang Islam udah pada terkapar dihadapan orang kafir seperti "item abu".. Pada nggak bekutik lagi.. Kaing-kaing kayak anjing budug kena pentungpun tidak banyak lagi yang sanggup... Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] CNN: WikiLeaks reveals details about Guantanamo detainees
WikiLeaks reveals details about Guantanamo detainees By Tim Lister, CNN April 25, 2011 -- Updated 0644 GMT (1444 HKT) The documents obtained by WikiLeaks provide details on almost all of the 779 detainees held at Gitmo since 2002. The documents obtained by WikiLeaks provide details on almost all of the 779 detainees held at Gitmo since 2002. STORY HIGHLIGHTS * The documents paint a portrait of how al Qaeda prepared for the 9/11 attacks * They also provide insights into bin Laden's thinking after the attacks * The detainees accounts were cross-checked against each other, the papers say * Documents: Operatives travel through Iran to get into Afghanistan (CNN) -- Nearly 800 classified U.S. military documents obtained by WikiLeaks reveal extraordinary details about the alleged terrorist activities of al Qaeda operatives captured and housed at the U.S. Navy's detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The secret documents have been made available to several news organizations, including the New York Times and the Washington Post - and some have been published by WikiLeaks, an organization that facilitates the anonymous leaking of secret information. CNN was not among the news organizations granted early access to the latest files. 101: WikiLeaks revealed Video The documents shed light on the way detainees behaved while at Guantanamo, and on how they were assessed in terms of their danger to the United States. They are intelligence assessments of nearly every one of the 779 individuals who have been held at Guantanamo since 2002, according to the Post. The classified files described some of the detainees as being compliant while others threatened violence against guards. One stated he would fly planes into houses. WikiLeaks releases trove of diplomatic messages They also paint in great detail a portrait of al Qaeda as it grew stronger in Afghanistan in the 1990s, prepared for the 9/11 attacks and scattered in their aftermath. Among the files already published by WikiLeaks and examined by CNN is that of Ahmed Khalfan Gailani, recently convicted by a New York court of taking part in the bombing of the U.S. embassy in Tanzania in 1998. The file, from 2006 when Gailani was transferred to Guantanamo, includes details of his time as a bodyguard and cook to Osama bin Laden shortly before the 9/11 attacks. Gailani is cited as telling interrogators that the al Qaeda leader had a "normal diet" and usually ate with about 15 bodyguards. The document says that Gailani later became one of al Qaeda's few forgers of travel documents. He also opted for training in using explosives to avoid front-line combat. A document from July 2008 profiles another bodyguard for bin Laden, Sanad Yislam al Kazimi, who stated that he "would have been willing to die for UBL" (the shorthand used for the al Qaeda leader.) It says that al Kazimi may have had knowledge of al Qaeda's nuclear and chemical programs. Al Kazimi escaped from Afghanistan after the fall of the Taliban in 2001 and returned to Yemen, where he continued to train for terrorist attacks, according to the document. He was arrested in 2002 after being lured to Dubai while planning an attack on Port Rashid in the United Arab Emirates. It adds that while at Guantanamo, al Kazimi made "numerous threats against U.S. personnel including the President." Al Kazimi reportedly said "he would like to tell his friends in Iraq to find the interrogator, slice him up, and make a shwarma (a type of sandwich) out of him, with the interrogator's head sticking out of the end of the shwarma." Another Yemeni, Abdu Ali Sharqawi, is described as a "senior al Qaeda facilitator" with links to the 9/11 plotters. He was allegedly responsible for arranging the travel of Yemeni jihadists to Afghanistan in the 1990s, and when he also moved to Afghanistan he became a confidant of bin Laden. The 11-page document about his activities says that "on occasion detainee hiked mountain trails with UBL, who hiked them on a daily basis." Sharqawi told his interrogators that bin Laden had been in good health, even though he had one kidney. The document suggests al Qaeda had plenty of money in the aftermath of 9/11, asserting that "detainee received and passed on over $500,000" while helping jihadists to escape Afghanistan. According to the Washington Post, the documents provide detailed insight into Osama bin Laden's thinking and movements immediately after 9/11. "Among other previously unknown meetings, the documents describe a major gathering of some of al Qaeda's most senior operatives in early December 2001 in Zormat, a mountainous region of Afghanistan between Kabul and Khost," the newspaper reports. "There, the operatives began to plan new attacks, a process that would consume them, according to the assessments, until they were finally captured." The documents show that detainees' accounts were extensively cross-checked against e
[proletar] France24: (Reuters) Gaddafi compound hit in fresh NATO air strikes
Gaddafi compound hit in fresh NATO air strikes A building inside Muammar Gaddafi's Tripoli compound was hit by NATO air strikes early Monday in what the regime says was an attempt on the Libyan leader's life. NATO forces have appeared to step up the pace of strikes on Tripoli in recent days. By William EDWARDS (video) News Wires (text) REUTERS - NATO forces flattened a building inside Muammar Gaddafi's Bab al-Aziziyah compound early on Monday, in what a press official from Gaddafi's government said was an attempt on the Libyan leader's life. Firefighters were still working to extinguish flames in a part of the ruined building a few hours after the attack, when foreign journalists were brought to the scene in Tripoli. The press official, who asked not to be identified, said 45 people were hurt in the strike, 15 of them seriously, and some were still missing. That could not be independently confirmed. Syndicate contentReporter's notebook in Libya * A rap song for the revolution Reporter's notebook in Libya A rap song for the revolution * Benghazi: The long, loud road to revolution Reporter's notebook in Libya Benghazi: The long, loud road to revolution Gaddafi's compound has been struck before, but NATO forces appear to be stepping up the pace of strikes in Tripoli in recent days. A target nearby, which the government called a car park but which appeared to cover a bunker, was hit two days ago. The United States, Britain and France say they will not stop their air campaign over Libya until Gaddafi leaves power. Washington has taken a backseat role in the air war since turning over command to NATO at the end of March but is under pressure to do more. This week it sent Predator drone air craft, which fired for the first time on Saturday. Government troops bombarded the western rebel bastion of Misrata again on Sunday, a day after announcing their withdrawal following a two month siege. A government spokesman said the army was still carrying out its plan to withdraw from the city, but had fired back when retreating troops were attacked. "As our army was withdrawing from Misrata it came under attack by the rebels. The army fought back but continued its withdrawal from the city," Mussa Ibrahim told reporters. No Flash warning To take advantage of all the features on FRANCE24.COM, please click here to download the latest version of Flash Player. Rebels fear that Qaddafi forces, contrary to their official announcement, had never had any real intention to withdraw from Misrata Cyril Vanier, FRANCE 24's special correspondent reporting from Benghazi, Libya. The government says its army is withdrawing from the city and sending in armed tribesmen instead. Rebels say the announcement may be part of a ruse to mask troop movements or stir violence between rebels and locals in nearby towns. Rebel leader Mustafa Abdel Jalil told a news conference in Kuwait that the Gulf state had agreed to contribute 50 million Kuwaiti dinars ($177 million) to his rebel council to help pay workers in the east of the country under its control. "This amount will help us a lot in paying the salaries of employees who did not receive their little salaries for two months," he said. "We are capable of only covering 40 percent of this amount. We are in need of urgent aid." The rebels have been seeking international recognition as well as material support from the west and the Arab world. They have been unable to advance from eastern Libya as they fight back and forth with Gaddafi's troops on the coastal road between the towns of Ajdabiyah and Brega, hampered by their lack of firepower, equipment and training. Abdel Jalil also said the rebels had received weapons from "friends and allies", but did not specify which countries or organisations had donated them. Restarting oil production in rebel-held areas would be a huge boost to the insurgents. A rebel oil official said companies could resume work as soon areas are secure. "For Sirte Oil and Zueitina, we have people ready to move in as soon as they are safe to move, » Wahid Bugaighis, head of the National Oil Company, said in Benghazi. He said rebels had made about $129 million from their only shipment of crude oil so far exported this month with the help of Gulf Arab state Qatar but had had to pay $75 million for a single cargo of gasoline. Misrata bombarded In Misrata, a mood of victory was short-lived and the prospect of a turning point in the conflict dimmed on Sunday. "The situation is very dangerous," rebel spokesman Abdelsalam said by telephone from the city. "Gaddafi's brigades started random bombardment in the early hours of this morning. The bombardment is still going on." Captured government troops said on Saturday they had been ordered to retreat after a siege of nearly two months, but rebels now say they believe it was a government ruse. "I don't think this is a real withd
[proletar] BBC: Libya crisis: Nato strike hits Gaddafi compound
25 April 2011 Last updated at 03:01 GMT Libya crisis: Nato strike hits Gaddafi compound Nato says it's been actively targeting command and control positions A Nato air strike on the Libyan capital Tripoli has badly damaged buildings in Col Muammar Gaddafi's compound. Reports said at least two powerful missiles struck the Libyan leader's sprawling Bab al-Azizia compound early on Monday. Three TV stations briefly went off the air following the explosions. The blasts were among the biggest to hit Tripoli so far, correspondents said. Nato is targeting Col Gaddafi's forces as he tries to quell a revolt. The BBC's Ian Pannell in Tripoli said the damaged buildings appeared to be the same ones that Col Gaddafi used to host a recent visit by an African Union peace mission. Reports said Libyan Television and the Jamahiriya and Shababiya TV stations were off air for about half-an-hour following the blasts. On Sunday, forces loyal to the Libyan leader bombarded areas of the western city of Misrata, despite the regime saying it had halted attacks to allow local tribes to negotiate with rebels. Continue reading the main story At the scene image of Ian Pannell, Ian Pannell, BBC News, Tripoli Shortly after midnight there were at least two huge explosions in the capital. The target appears to have been office buildings that make up part of Col Gaddafi's compound. The devastation is significant with walls blown out, roofs caved in and debris spread over a wide area. Smoke rose from the shattered building as firemen sprayed foam on to the rubble. Some officials at the scene said there had been some injuries, others contradicted that. Nato says it has been actively targeting command and control positions, but it is impossible to know whether this site did have a military purpose. There certainly didn't seem to be any obvious evidence of it. For supporters of the regime rallying in front of the wreckage this was a personal attack against Col Gaddafi himself and they vowed to stay at the site despite Nato warnings to leave. At least six people were reported killed in the latest bombardment, which reportedly hit the city centre and three residential districts. A captured pro-Gaddafi soldier told AFP news agency that loyalist forces were losing the battle for Misrata. "Many soldiers want to surrender but they are afraid of being executed [by rebels]," said Lili Mohammed, a Mauritanian hired to fight the insurgents. On Sunday, Libyan Deputy Foreign Minister Khaled Kaim said the army was pausing to allow local tribes to settle the battle "peacefully and not militarily". But Col Omar Bani, military spokesman for the rebels' Transitional National Council (TNC), said Col Gaddafi was "playing a really dirty game" in an attempt to divide his opponents. "It is a trick, they didn't go," Col Bani said in the eastern city of Benghazi. "They have stayed a bit out of Tripoli Street but they are preparing themselves to attack again." Encircled British Journalist James Hider, who is in Misrata for The Times newspaper, told the BBC that although pro-Gaddafi forces encircled Misrata, their forces inside the city were themselves surrounded by rebel fighters. Supporters of Col Gaddafi on a bomb-damaged building. 25 April 2011 Supporters of Col Gaddafi chanted defiance from the ruins of a building hit by the air strike He said their supplies were cut off and Nato air strikes were starving the main force outside the city of supplies from elsewhere. Mr Hider said rebels hoped they would be able to regain control of the city centre soon but didn't think they would be able to defeat all the government forces until Nato strikes destroyed their biggest weaponry. Human rights groups say more than 1,000 people have been killed in Misrata and many more wounded. Ships have been ferrying the wounded to hospitals in Benghazi. The revolt against Col Gaddafi began in February, inspired by uprisings elsewhere in the Arab world. Rebel leaders received a financial boost on Sunday when Kuwait announced it was giving 50m dinars (£110m, $180m) to the Transitional National Council. Nato is carrying out air strikes against Libyan state forces under a UN mandate to protect civilians. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.
[proletar] The Siasat Daily: Bombing destroys presidential building in Tripoli
Bombing destroys presidential building in Tripoli Monday, 25 April 2011 Tripoli, April 25: Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's office in his immense Tripoli residence was destroyed in an air strike today, an AFP journalist said. A Libyan official accompanying journalists at the scene said 45 people were wounded, 15 seriously, in the bombing. He added that he did not know whether there were victims under the rubble. "It was an attempt to assassinate Gaddafi," he affirmed. A meeting room facing Gaddafi's office was badly damaged by the blast. NATO warplanes had already late Friday targeted the Bab Al-Aziziya district, where the presidential compound is located. Heavy explosions shook the centre of Tripoli today as warplanes overflew the Libyan capital. The blasts, the strongest to have hit the city so far, shook the hotel in which foreign correspondents here are staying not far from downtown. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] KS Sebut 'Merah Putih' Itu Kain, Bukan Bendera +Penjelasan Tifatul Soal Insiden Merah Putih
Refleksi : Tentu hasrat PKS bendera negara harus dasarnya hijau seperti bendera Arab Sauda dengan tulisan huruf arab dan gambar pedang. Masih lumayan dibilang Merah Putih itu kain, bukan kain kafir. Tetapi bagaimana kalau Merah Putih itu dibuat dari besi, apakah juga dibilang bukan bendera tetapi sekeping besi? Taiful Sembiring dan sobat-sobat PKS cs harus berikan contoh baik nan bagus yakni bukan saja mengenai masalah bendera , tetapi juga cara berpakain, tutup aurat alias garabeya atau jubah agar cocok dengan bendera yang dikehendaki. Buanglah jauh-jauh dasi dan jas model bintang film kafir. Lihat kaum wanita, sebahagian dari mereka sudah berpakaian tutup aurat, koq yang laki-laki petinggi negara masih tertinggal dengan berpakain a la kafir. . http://www.tempointeraktif.com/hg/politik/2011/04/25/brk,20110425-329734,id.html PKS Sebut 'Merah Putih' Itu Kain, Bukan Bendera Senin, 25 April 2011 | 00:54 WIB TEMPO/Fahmi Ali TEMPO Interaktif, Jakarta - Partai Keadilan Sejahtera (PKS) menegaskan, insiden teatrikal di peringatan ulang tahun (Milad) ke-13 partai mereka di Tasikmalaya, Jawa Barat, Ahad (24/4) berlangsung pada sehelai kain, bukan simbol negara yaitu bendera Merah Putih. "Karena spontan, maka tarian dilakukan dilakukan di luar gedung GOR. Namun, tak disangka di ujung tarian ada kain seperti bendera merah putih terinjak peserta tari." kata Wakil Sekjen PKS Mahfudz Siddiq dalam keterangan tertulisnya kepada wartawan, Ahad (24/4). Mahfudz menegaskan, aksi teatrikal itu tak bermaksud melecehkan bendera merah putih sebagai simbol negara. Aksi itu tak lebih dari upaya sumbangan spontan para siswa SMU Muttaqien yang diundang ke acara itu. "Ini mengejutkan. Atas inisiatif panitia, Ketua Panitia saudara Tono yang juga Ketua DPD PKS Tasikmalaya akhirnya memberikan keterangan di kantor polisi," kata Mahfudz. Atas insiden tersebut, polisi setempat setidaknya telah memeriksa 10 penari. Selain memeriksa para penari, polisi juga menyita kain merah putih sepanjang 2 x 6 meter dan alat peraga lain. Polisi mendapat penjelasan, aksi itu dilakukan untuk seni dan tidak ada maksud melecehkan simbol negara. Kepolisian, kata Mahfudz lagi, sudah bisa menerima penjelasan itu. " Kapolres bisa menerima penjelasan panitia," kata Mahfudz. " Kami pun demikian dengan penyumbang tarian, juga meminta maaf." FEBRIYAN | MAHARDIKA | WDA http://www.tempointeraktif.com/hg/politik/2011/04/25/brk,20110425-329743,id.html Penjelasan Tifatul Soal Insiden Merah Putih Senin, 25 April 2011 | 05:50 WIB Tifatul Sembiring. TEMPO/Imam Sukamto TEMPO Interaktif, Jakarta - Anggota Majelis Syuro Partai Keadilan Sejahtera (PKS) Tifatul Sembiring meminta maaf atas terjadinya insiden merah putih di Tasikmalaya. Lewat akun Twitter-nya @tifsembiring, PKS berjanji akan lebih ketat mengontrol acara-acara sensitif yang bisa menimbulkan kesalahpahaman masyarakat. Sebuah insiden terjadi di peringatan ulang tahun (Milad) ke-13 PKS di Tasikmalaya, Jawa Barat, pada Minggu (24/4). Sebanyak 8 siswi SMA Al Muttaqin menginjak-injak kain merah putih berukuran 2 x 6 meter ketika sedang melakukan aksi teatrikal. Polisi kemudian menghentikan Milad tersebut dan meminta keterangan para siswi, termasuk panitia penyelenggara. Setelah itu, mereka dilepas. Polisi mendapat penjelasan, aksi itu dilakukan untuk seni dan tidak ada maksud melecehkan simbol negara. "DPD PKS Tasikmalaya dan DPW PKS Jawa Barat telah menyampaikan permohonan maaf karena kekeliruan sumbangan acara tersebut," tulis Tifatul Sembiring, mantan Presiden PKS di akun Twitter-nya 9 jam lalu. Berikut 6 poin penjelasan Tifatul soal insiden kain Merah Putih tersebut lewat akun Twitter-nya. 1. Ini sedikit penjelasan panitia soal bendera: setiap tahun selalu diadakan acara Milad, termasuk di DPD PKS #Tasik. #MiladPKS 2. Pada acara Milad kali ini DPD PKS #Tasik juga melibatkan masyarakat selain kader PKS seperti pelajar SMU, anak jalanan, pengamen, dan sebagainya. 3. Salah satunya putri-putri SMU At Muttaqien menyumbang tarian teatrikal membawa kain besar, yang dibimbing para guru mereka. #MiladPKS #Tasik 4. Dalam teatrikal tersebut, bendera besar tadi terinjak-injak. Melihat kejadian tersebut, polisi menyetop acara tersebut dan memeriksa PJ-nya. #Tasik 5. DPD PKS Tasikmalaya dan DPW PKS Jawa Barat telah menyampaikan permohonan maaf karena kekeliruan sumbangan acara tersebut. #MiladPKS #Tasik 6. Pengurus PKS setempat berjanji akan lebih ketat mengontrol acara-acara sensitif yang bisa menimbulkan kesalahpahaman masyarakat. #MiladPKS #Tasik POERNOMO G. RIDHO Berita terkait a.. PKS Minta Maaf Atas Insiden Injak Merah Putih b.. PKS Bantah Penginjak Merah Putih Kader Partai c.. Polisi Periksa 10 Penginjak Merah Putih di HUT PKS d.. Insiden Injak Merah Putih di Milad PKS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[proletar] CNN: Moroccan protesters reject king's draft constitution
Moroccan protesters reject king's draft constitution >From Martin Jay, For CNN April 25, 2011 -- Updated 0520 GMT (1320 HKT) In a peaceful demonstration Sunday in Casablanca, thousands called for an overhaul of Morocco's governance. In a peaceful demonstration Sunday in Casablanca, thousands called for an overhaul of Morocco's governance. Casablanca, Morocco (CNN) -- Thousands of Moroccans held a peaceful demonstration nationwide Sunday, calling for a radical overhaul of the country's governance before a new constitution is unveiled in June by King Mohammed VI. The march was organized by the Facebook youth movement Fevrier 20. The group said its members would not accept the present draft constitution because it was written by the king's own people. It denounced his decision to refer the new constitution to a committee he appointed. King Mohammed announced last month he would give up some of his wide-scale powers and make the judiciary independent -- the latter a particularly hot subject in Morocco. Protesters in Casablanca demanded much more and openly rejected the moves. "We are not believing these speeches anymore. We are tired of this," said medical student Meryum, 17, who did not want to give her full name. "We are telling those who defend these speeches that we are sick of them. We only believe in real people today, like this, in taking part in real politics in Morocco. We are not going to stop until they hear us and get back our lost rights." Many believe that bribery in Morocco needs to be tackled before any reforms can actually take place. The central theme of the march -- corruption -- was reiterated by most groups at the rally. Morocco was recently ranked the 89th most corrupt country in the world by Transparency International. Corruption accounts for a loss of about 2% of Morocco's GDP, officials have said. More important, it deters vital foreign direct investment from flowing into Morocco, they say. Calls for an end to political detention and questions about the king's personal business activities were also on protesters' banners. There was visible resentment at the royal family's business operations, controlled by its holding company SNI. There were also groups protesting the prices of basic household items. "I came here today because we are Moroccans and we want a democratic state ... we are not in a democratic state and we want democracy, liberty and dignity," said engineering student Tehani, 20, who did not want to give her full name and is a member of Fevrier 20. "We want a new constitution but a constitution who comes from 'la masse populaire,' not from one person," she told CNN at the rally in Casablanca. "We want a committee which represents all the Moroccans, we want a committee of a constitution which we choose." "This manifestations of Morocco is a real message to the king that people really need real change in this country," added a young male student. He said he wished to remain anonymous when plainclothes policemen moved closer as demonstrators photographed his being interviewed by CNN. According to local media, most large towns in Morocco had peaceful protests, with Casablanca's the biggest. Groups included unions, women, the unemployed, students, victims of human rights violations and Islamists. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] BBC: Syrian army 'attacks protest city of Deraa'
25 April 2011 Last updated at 07:26 GMT Syrian army 'attacks protest city of Deraa' Photo from an amateur video of protests in Deraa, 22 April 2011 Deraa has been at the epicentre of recent protests in Syria Syria's army has launched an attack on the southern city of Deraa, with tanks being used to back troops, according to activists and unverified video footage. One activist was quoted as saying that security forces were "firing in all directions", and there were unconfirmed reports of casualties. Deraa is where Syrian anti-government protests began five weeks ago. News of the assault follows reports of crackdowns and arrests in other parts of the country. A human rights campaigner told Reuters news agency that security forces had also stormed the Damascus suburb of Douma on Monday, opening fire on civilians and arresting scores of people. Security forces are said to be rounding up suspected protest organisers despite the lifting of the state of emergency last week. Protesters began calling for political reforms last month, but many are now demanding that President Bashar al-Assad step down. At least 350 people are reported to have been killed. 'Electricity cut' Activist Abdullah al-Harriri told AFP news agency that hundreds of security personnel had entered Deraa on Monday, supported by tanks and other armoured vehicles. Continue reading the main story Analysis image of Owen Bennett Jones Owen Bennett Jones BBC News, Beirut Opposition activists in recent days have been describing Deraa as liberated territory, and two members of parliament and a local religious official resigned on Saturday to protest against the killing of demonstrators there. By sending in troops the government has shown its determined to win back control of the city. Elsewhere in Syria, armed security personnel in uniform and in plain clothes have been patrolling through the street of cities and towns. Last week in an attempt to appease the protesters the government lifted the state of emergency. That failed to stop the protests and ever since the government has been using force to suppress the demands for greater freedom. "The men are firing in all directions and advancing behind the armour which is protecting them," he said. "Electricity is cut off and telephone communications are virtually impossible." One resident told Arabic broadcaster al-Jazeera that five people had been killed. Foreign journalists have been prevented from entering the country, making information hard to verify. But the BBC's Owen Bennett-Jones in neighbouring Lebanon says the use of tanks has not been reported elsewhere in Syria, and would mark a scaling up in the government's response to protests. It appears from the latest reports that the government is absolutely determined to use force to suppress the protest movement, he says. Deaths in Jabla In recent days opposition activists have been describing Deraa as liberated territory, and two members of parliament and a local religious official resigned on Saturday to protest against the killing of demonstrators there. BBC map Deraa has had the highest death toll of any town in Syria. Earlier, at least four people were reported to have been killed in Jabla, a north-western town of 80,000, after security forces opened fire there late on Sunday. At least 95 people were reported killed across Syria on Friday and a further 12 on Saturday, as mourners came under fire. The authorities have reacted erratically to demonstrations - sometimes promising to allow more democracy and freedoms, and other times opening fire on demonstrators. Campaign group Human Rights Watch called for a UN inquiry and international sanctions against Syria following Friday's killings. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Kuwait Times :7 wounded in bombing outside Baghdad church
7 wounded in bombing outside Baghdad church Published Date: April 25, 2011 BAGHDAD: At least seven people were injured when a bomb outside the entrance of a Baghdad church exploded on Easter Sunday, an Iraqi police official said. The blast took place just yards (meters) from the Sacred Heart Church in Baghdad's Karradah neighborhood. Shrapnel from the bomb struck the outside of the building, and at least four of the church's windows were shattered. Shards of broken glass lay on the street in front of the building. Like many Baghdad houses of worship, the church is surrounded by blast walls to protect it from such attacks. The officer said no parishioners were inside and services had not been held in the building. Four policemen and three civilian bystanders were wounded, said the official, who declined to be identified because he was not authorized to brief the media. Iraqi Christians have faced a recent wave of violence, including an attack last year against a Baghdad church that killed 68 people. Before Christmas services, Al-Qaeda-linked militants threatened a wave of violence against Christians, forcing many to tone down their ceremonies. There was no such threat ahead of this Easter Sunday but authorities nonetheless stepped up security in the capital and two main northern provinces where Christians live, tightening hundreds of checkpoints that already dot the streets and snarling traffic for hours. About 700 Christians attended Easter services at Baghdad's St Joseph's Chaldean church where security forces closed off the roads leading to it, laid razor wires and searched all worshippers before entering the church. Our life in Iraq is fill of fear," Father Hanna Saad Sirop told worshippers. "But we have to live in faith and trust ... we have to trust almighty God," Hanna added. Christians also marked Easter peacefully in the northern cities of Kirkuk and Mosul. Since the 2003 US-led invasion, Iraqi Christians have suffered repeated violence and harassment from Sunni Muslim extremists who view them as infidels and agents of the West, forcing many of them to flee the country either to the safer northern Kurdish self- ruled region or abroad. - AP Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Khaleej Times: Syrian forces open fire in Deraa
Syrian forces open fire in Deraa (Reuters) 25 April 2011, 6:57 AM 1/13 AMMAN - Syrian troops in armoured vehicles poured into the restive town of Deraa overnight and opened fire, residents said on Monday, the latest crackdown on protests that has escalated sharply in recent days. Syrian writers issued a declaration denouncing the crackdown, a sign of outrage surging through the intellectual elite over the violence. Rights groups say security forces have killed more than 350 civilians since unrest began last month. A third of the victims were killed in the past three days as the scale and breadth of a popular revolt against President Bashar Al Assad grew. Residents in Deraa, where the protest movement against Asaad first erupted last month, said hundreds of troops had arrived. "They were firing. Witnesses have told me that there have been five deaths so far and houses have become hospitals," a Deraa resident named Mohsen told Al Jazeera by telephone. Foreign journalists have mostly been expelled from the country, making it impossible to verify the situation on the ground. Grisly footage posted on the Internet by demonstrators in recent days appears to show troops firing on unarmed crowds. In some of the latest violence, activists said government troops and gunmen loyal to Assad shot dead at least nine civilians on Sunday in the Mediterranean coastal town of Jabla, where troops deployed following a protest the previous night. Rights campaigners said they feared Assad's forces were preparing for an attack on the town of Nawa after reports of bulldozers and military vehicles heading there. Thousands of people in the town called for the overthrow of Assad on Sunday at a funeral for protesters killed by security forces. Electricity and communications were cut off in parts of Nawa by the evening and residents, some armed, erected barriers in the streets in preparation to defend against attack. "Long live Syria. Down with Bashar!" mourners chanted during the funeral in Nawa, 25 km (15 miles) north of Deraa. "Leave, leave! The people want the overthrow of the regime." In Banias, south of Jabla, protest leaders said they would cut the main coastal highway unless the siege on Jabla was lifted. Barrier of fear Monday's declaration was signed by 102 writers and journalists, in Syria and in exile, representing all the country's main sects, a sign that shock at the violence is crossing Syria's lines of sectarian division. It called on Syrian intellectuals "who have not broken the barrier of fear to make a clear stand. "We condemn the violent, oppressive practices of the Syrian regime against the protesters and mourn the martyrs of the uprising." Signatories included Alawite figures such as former political prisoner Loay Hussein; female writers Samar Yazbek and Hala Mohammad; Souad Jarrous, correspondent for Al Sharq Al Awsat pan-Arab daily; writer and former political prisoner Yassin al-Haj Saleh and filmmaker Mohammad Ali Al Attassi. Mansour Al Ali, a prominent Alawite figure from the city of Homs, was arrested in his home city after he spoke out against the shooting of protesters, an activist in Homs said. At least 100 people were killed across Syria on Friday, the highest toll of the unrest, when security forces shot protesters demanding political freedoms and an end to corruption in their country, ruled for 41 years by the Assad dynasty. Another 12 people were killed on Saturday at mass funerals for slain protesters. Rights campaigners said secret police raided homes near Damascus and in the central city of Homs on Sunday, arresting activists. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
