Re: [prometheus-developers] Prometheus ecosystem certification

['Evelyn Pereira Souza' via Prometheus Developers]

On 19.11.20 21:07, Julius Volz wrote:

Hi,


Hi Julius

(please keep me CC-ed in addition to the list, otherwise I won't notice 
replies, thus sorry for the late reply)


Yeah, we had a call, and we will look for a number of subject matter 
experts both within the Prometheus Team and externally who are 
interested in joining the effort. We need to first put together a 
blueprint of what the certification should cover (like the outline you 
see at 
https://training.linuxfoundation.org/certification/linux-foundation-certified-sysadmin-lfcs/ 
 
under "Domains and Competencies"), and then as a second stage, come up 
with detailed certification question items for a multiple-choice exam 
that will be administered by the Linux Foundation.


1 month later do you have a draft version of the objectives? Can I apply 
for training budget 2021 already (Prometheus certification) in my company?


Regarding the tracks, it's up to us in a lot of ways, but it seems like 
we will build a single certification first to trial the demand, and we 
still have to determine how to draw the line between user, admin, and 
developer, because those roles often overlap in the Prometheus use case. 
If you have opinions on that, do let us know!


I only hope there is "please write an exporter in GO" type questions ;-)


Regards,
Julius


best regards
Evelyn

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Re: [prometheus-developers] Prometheus ecosystem certification

[Julius Volz]

Hi,

(please keep me CC-ed in addition to the list, otherwise I won't notice
replies, thus sorry for the late reply)

Yeah, we had a call, and we will look for a number of subject matter
experts both within the Prometheus Team and externally who are interested
in joining the effort. We need to first put together a blueprint of what
the certification should cover (like the outline you see at
https://training.linuxfoundation.org/certification/linux-foundation-certified-sysadmin-lfcs/
under "Domains and Competencies"), and then as a second stage, come up with
detailed certification question items for a multiple-choice exam that will
be administered by the Linux Foundation.

Regarding the tracks, it's up to us in a lot of ways, but it seems like we
will build a single certification first to trial the demand, and we still
have to determine how to draw the line between user, admin, and
developer, because those roles often overlap in the Prometheus use case. If
you have opinions on that, do let us know!

Regards,
Julius

On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 1:23 PM 'Evelyn Pereira Souza' via Prometheus
Developers  wrote:

> On 12.11.20 15:28, Julius Volz wrote:
> > Yes we started, but will have a more detailed discussion with the Linux
> > Foundation on Monday. So far it sounds like a realistic expectation of
> > having a certification process in place is around half a year or so.
>
> Hi Julius
>
> thanks.
>
> are there any news from the Linux Foundation or further details? Will
> there be a separate Ops and Dev track?
>
> regards
> Evelyn
>
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Re: [prometheus-developers] Prometheus ecosystem certification

['Evelyn Pereira Souza' via Prometheus Developers]

On 12.11.20 15:28, Julius Volz wrote:
Yes we started, but will have a more detailed discussion with the Linux 
Foundation on Monday. So far it sounds like a realistic expectation of 
having a certification process in place is around half a year or so.


Hi Julius

thanks.

are there any news from the Linux Foundation or further details? Will 
there be a separate Ops and Dev track?


regards
Evelyn

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Re: [prometheus-developers] Prometheus ecosystem certification

[Julius Volz]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 4:14 PM 'Evelyn Pereira Souza' via Prometheus
Developers  wrote:

> On 04.11.20 20:08, Julius Volz wrote:
> > It's hard to put an ETA on it currently. We are interested, but still
> > evaluating who will do this, and when. Let me try and get back to you in
> > a couple of days or so.
>
> Did you discuss?
>

Yes we started, but will have a more detailed discussion with the Linux
Foundation on Monday. So far it sounds like a realistic expectation of
having a certification process in place is around half a year or so.

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Re: [prometheus-developers] Prometheus ecosystem certification

['Evelyn Pereira Souza' via Prometheus Developers]

On 04.11.20 20:08, Julius Volz wrote:
It's hard to put an ETA on it currently. We are interested, but still 
evaluating who will do this, and when. Let me try and get back to you in 
a couple of days or so.


Did you discuss?

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Re: [prometheus-developers] Prometheus ecosystem certification

[Harry Perks]

I'd be very interested in courses for both admins and developers. The main 
driver being to establish a common framework / baseline understanding 
around Prometheus training, similar to the Kubernetes certifications. At 
Sysdig we have internal Prometheus training focused on developers that I'd 
love to build out further. 

On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 11:08:32 AM UTC-8 juliu...@promlabs.com 
wrote:

> Hi Evelyn,
>
> No worries, yeah, we understand it can be important for organizations' 
> requirements and people's CVs, even if a non-certified training can teach 
> the same knowledge.
>
> It's hard to put an ETA on it currently. We are interested, but still 
> evaluating who will do this, and when. Let me try and get back to you in a 
> couple of days or so.
>
> Regards,
> Julius
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 7:54 PM Evelyn Pereira Souza  
> wrote:
>
>> On 04.11.20 15:57, Julius Volz wrote:
>> > Hi Evelyn,
>>
>> Hi Julius
>>
>> > We discussed exactly this a couple of weeks ago with the CNCF, and 
>> we're 
>> > generally very interested in it. The Prometheus OSS project would have 
>> > to define standard certification criteria, and then companies (like 
>> > PromLabs, Robust Perception, or others) could offer training material 
>> > and administer the certification tests. We just haven't gotten around 
>> to 
>> > it yet, as there is always a lot to do. But I'll check in again with 
>> > people about it, and hopefully at some point we will manage to 
>> > build such a certification.
>>
>> Very good news. I'm glad to hear it. Very glad that you developers 
>> support this. Many developers don't like certifications. What do you 
>> think is the time horizon when appropriate training will be available?
>>
>> > Regards,
>> > Julius
>>
>> regards
>> Evelyn
>>
>
>
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Re: [prometheus-developers] Prometheus ecosystem certification

[Julius Volz]

Hi Evelyn,

No worries, yeah, we understand it can be important for organizations'
requirements and people's CVs, even if a non-certified training can teach
the same knowledge.

It's hard to put an ETA on it currently. We are interested, but still
evaluating who will do this, and when. Let me try and get back to you in a
couple of days or so.

Regards,
Julius

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 7:54 PM Evelyn Pereira Souza 
wrote:

> On 04.11.20 15:57, Julius Volz wrote:
> > Hi Evelyn,
>
> Hi Julius
>
> > We discussed exactly this a couple of weeks ago with the CNCF, and we're
> > generally very interested in it. The Prometheus OSS project would have
> > to define standard certification criteria, and then companies (like
> > PromLabs, Robust Perception, or others) could offer training material
> > and administer the certification tests. We just haven't gotten around to
> > it yet, as there is always a lot to do. But I'll check in again with
> > people about it, and hopefully at some point we will manage to
> > build such a certification.
>
> Very good news. I'm glad to hear it. Very glad that you developers
> support this. Many developers don't like certifications. What do you
> think is the time horizon when appropriate training will be available?
>
> > Regards,
> > Julius
>
> regards
> Evelyn
>


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Re: [prometheus-developers] Prometheus ecosystem certification

['Evelyn Pereira Souza' via Prometheus Developers]

On 04.11.20 15:57, Julius Volz wrote:

Hi Evelyn,


Hi Julius

We discussed exactly this a couple of weeks ago with the CNCF, and we're 
generally very interested in it. The Prometheus OSS project would have 
to define standard certification criteria, and then companies (like 
PromLabs, Robust Perception, or others) could offer training material 
and administer the certification tests. We just haven't gotten around to 
it yet, as there is always a lot to do. But I'll check in again with 
people about it, and hopefully at some point we will manage to 
build such a certification.


Very good news. I'm glad to hear it. Very glad that you developers 
support this. Many developers don't like certifications. What do you 
think is the time horizon when appropriate training will be available?



Regards,
Julius


regards
Evelyn

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Re: [prometheus-developers] Prometheus ecosystem certification

[Julius Volz]

Hi Evelyn,

We discussed exactly this a couple of weeks ago with the CNCF, and we're
generally very interested in it. The Prometheus OSS project would have to
define standard certification criteria, and then companies (like PromLabs,
Robust Perception, or others) could offer training material and administer
the certification tests. We just haven't gotten around to it yet, as there
is always a lot to do. But I'll check in again with people about it, and
hopefully at some point we will manage to build such a certification.

Regards,
Julius

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 1:34 PM 'Evelyn Pereira Souza' via Prometheus
Developers  wrote:

> Hi
>
> Prometheus is also under the roof of CNCF. For Kubernetes there are
> several prestigious certifications. Nice is that there are separate
> courses for admins and developers.
>
> Is something like this planned for Prometheus? Has something like this
> already been discussed?
>
> I would be very happy if I could take an exam for Prometheus. I am sure
> it will be very good for the resume.
>
> Evelyn
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