[Prototype-core] Re: 1.6.0.3 status: Where we're at
I didn't hijacked anyone's thread. That's a matter of opinion. In *my* opinion, not hijacking the thread would have looked like this: I'd really like to see a fix for bug #1234 (error using update() on 'object' elements) in 1.6.0.3, it's a serious problem. And, er, yes, that *would* have involved taking five minutes to properly submit a bug report. Clearly you disagree, which is your right, but I suspect you're in the minority. You want to make this about me submitting or not submitting a bug? I don't want to make it about anything at all. You said: I really don't know how to submit a bug, or how to compile prototype. So if you want you can submit this yourself ... ...which is seriously uncool, so I called you on it. Move along, nothing to see here. -- T.J. Crowder tj / crowder software / com On Sep 23, 1:16 am, Valentin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't hijacked anyone's thread. This is about the upcoming 1.6.0.3 so what I posted is directly related. The purpose of a JS library is to 1) provide compatibility among browsers using the same code 2) reduce the time the programmer has to spent to do certain tasks. Also in today's day IE7 has BY FAR the highest market share, and also the object tag is the XHTML requirement to presenting Java applications, flash objects, and the like which, now, more than ever, appear on Web 2.0 pages. If Prototype can't hadle these two things than it is missing it's point, and it's users. I'm not talking here about a pet problem, but about some fundamental facts. Your most basic function doesn't work on the most used browser with one of the most common tags in XHTML (that are called in JS events). Therefore you are building a house on a crappy foundation, and it will fall. You want to make this about me submitting or not submitting a bug? Really I already told you what is wrong, how to recreate it, so any developer of the ones that have read this topic could have taken the time to fix it instead of replying back 3 pages long of messages on how I should have done this. On Sep 7, 5:56 am, T.J. Crowder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't know how to submit a bug, or how to compile prototype. So if you want you can submit this yourself ... Valentin, I'm not on the core team (or any Prototype team, although I help moderate the user's discussion group), so I think I can say this: It's all very well complaining about bugs (in fact, hijacking other peoples' threads to talk about your pet bugs), but that's not constructive. You don't know how to submit a bug report? How hard did you try to find out? Because fromhttp://prototypejs.org, there's this big tempting link labelled Contribute saying Submit patches and report bugs under it. Gosh. And lo!, if you follow that link and it tells you exactly what you do to submit a bug report, complete with links and instructions. How hard was that? Sure, it'll take a few minutes, but then again so did posting to this thread. I'm not trying to be unkind, but c'mon, *everyone* working on Prototype is a volunteer. They're donating their time and we're getting the benefit of their efforts. Telling them to file your bug reports for you is seriously uncool. Take ten minutes and file your own report; they've sure as heck saved you more than ten minutes with their code. I'd rather the core team and contributors spent their time doing something more constructive -- like, you know, fixing the problems people take the time to report properly. Which, curiously, they do. -- T.J. Crowder tj / crowder software / com On Sep 6, 6:24 am, Valentin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really seems weird that nobody in the world actually had to deal with $.update on an object ... I really don't know how to submit a bug, or how to compile prototype. So if you want you can submit this yourself ... On Sep 5, 7:07 pm, kangax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 5, 8:03 pm, Valentin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Save the above piece of code in a .htm file and run it in FIREFOX 3.0 and IE 7. In FF 3 if we use stable 1.6.0.2 code works as expeected. In IE 7 it fails. The problem is that I cannot extend the object tag It does extend object element as far as I can see. E.g. `show`/`hide` work as expected. with the $ function. It's really unbelivable that this hasn't been documented / fix to this date ... object's in IE are notorious for their buggy behavior. E.g. trying to call `appendChild` (which `update` uses internally) results in an error. It's also a good idea to file bug reports when you encounter such issues. It's not easy to test for all the edge-case scenarios. -- kangax --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to
[Prototype-core] Re: 1.6.0.3 status: Where we're at
On Sep 22, 7:16 pm, Valentin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't hijacked anyone's thread. This is about the upcoming 1.6.0.3 so what I posted is directly related. The purpose of a JS library is to 1) provide compatibility among browsers using the same code 2) reduce the time the programmer has to spent to do certain tasks. Also in today's day IE7 has BY FAR the highest market share, and also the object tag is the XHTML requirement to presenting Java applications, flash objects, and the like which, now, more than ever, appear on Web 2.0 pages. If Prototype can't hadle these two things than it is missing it's point, and it's users. I'm not talking here about a pet problem, but about some fundamental facts. Your most basic function doesn't work on the most used browser with one of the most common tags in XHTML (that are called in JS events). Therefore you are building a house on a crappy foundation, and it will fall. You want to make this about me submitting or not submitting a bug? Really I already told you what is wrong, how to recreate it, so any developer of the ones that have read this topic could have taken the time to fix it instead of replying back 3 pages long of messages on how I should have done this. Stop for a second. Read back over this thread. You reported the problem; someone asked for a test case. You posted the test case (thanks for that; a lot of people don't bother). kangax noted that the problem is not in extending the OBJECT tag, it's in calling the update method, because I'm guessing OBJECT nodes don't have an innerHTML property in the IE DOM. You keep expressing disbelief at how nobody else has encountered this before. That should tell you one of two things: either your scenario isn't as commonplace as you think it is; or others have encountered this problem and found it too big to solve in JavaScript. Internet Explorer doesn't handle OBJECT tags right [1]; it thinks they're all ActiveX controls because that's all the element was for when Microsoft introduced it. There's no way around this. (This is the reason why, for instance, people use SWFObject [2] to insert Flash content without using invalid markup.) Prototype aside... if you think you're going to get the OBJECT tag to work the XHTML way in IE7, you're sorely mistaken. Prototype isn't our product; it's our side project. We ask that bug reports and test cases be filed through the proper channels because it ensures they won't get missed. The less time we spend copying and pasting from Google Groups into our bug tracker... the more time we spend writing code. If that makes us seem anal to you, then I'm OK with that. Cheers, Andrew [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2002AprJun/0865.html [2] http://code.google.com/p/swfobject/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to prototype-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-core?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Prototype-core] Re: 1.6.0.3 status: Where we're at
Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks T.J. Best, Tobie On Sep 7, 2:56 pm, T.J. Crowder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't know how to submit a bug, or how to compile prototype. So if you want you can submit this yourself ... Valentin, I'm not on the core team (or any Prototype team, although I help moderate the user's discussion group), so I think I can say this: It's all very well complaining about bugs (in fact, hijacking other peoples' threads to talk about your pet bugs), but that's not constructive. You don't know how to submit a bug report? How hard did you try to find out? Because fromhttp://prototypejs.org, there's this big tempting link labelled Contribute saying Submit patches and report bugs under it. Gosh. And lo!, if you follow that link and it tells you exactly what you do to submit a bug report, complete with links and instructions. How hard was that? Sure, it'll take a few minutes, but then again so did posting to this thread. I'm not trying to be unkind, but c'mon, *everyone* working on Prototype is a volunteer. They're donating their time and we're getting the benefit of their efforts. Telling them to file your bug reports for you is seriously uncool. Take ten minutes and file your own report; they've sure as heck saved you more than ten minutes with their code. I'd rather the core team and contributors spent their time doing something more constructive -- like, you know, fixing the problems people take the time to report properly. Which, curiously, they do. -- T.J. Crowder tj / crowder software / com On Sep 6, 6:24 am, Valentin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really seems weird that nobody in the world actually had to deal with $.update on an object ... I really don't know how to submit a bug, or how to compile prototype. So if you want you can submit this yourself ... On Sep 5, 7:07 pm, kangax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 5, 8:03 pm, Valentin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Save the above piece of code in a .htm file and run it in FIREFOX 3.0 and IE 7. In FF 3 if we use stable 1.6.0.2 code works as expeected. In IE 7 it fails. The problem is that I cannot extend the object tag It does extend object element as far as I can see. E.g. `show`/`hide` work as expected. with the $ function. It's really unbelivable that this hasn't been documented / fix to this date ... object's in IE are notorious for their buggy behavior. E.g. trying to call `appendChild` (which `update` uses internally) results in an error. It's also a good idea to file bug reports when you encounter such issues. It's not easy to test for all the edge-case scenarios. -- kangax --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to prototype-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-core?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Prototype-core] Re: 1.6.0.3 status: Where we're at
On Sep 6, 1:24 am, Valentin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really seems weird that nobody in the world actually had to deal with $.update on an object ... I really don't know how to submit a bug, or how to compile prototype. So if you want you can submit this yourself ... Here's a bug tracker http://prototype.lighthouseapp.com/projects/ -- kangax --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to prototype-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-core?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Prototype-core] Re: 1.6.0.3 status: Where we're at
Has anyone actually built a current version of the trunk? I have no idea how to do that (never used Ruby on Rails or anything like that) and the incredibly annoying bugs in 1.6.0.2 just make me want to move away from Prototype to JQuery. For example, a simple bug (dunno if it was fixed or not) is that you cannot select with the $ extended element function an object / tag in IE 7 without getting an arrow. Prototype is supposed to be cross- browser and right now I have to write code separately for IE to deal with this ... On Aug 29, 4:30 pm, Andrew Dupont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm committed to releasing 1.6.0.3 before The Ajax Experience at the end of September. Obviously we'd like to release sooner, but both Christophe and I will be attending that conference and presenting on Prototype, so it behooves us to close some glaring bugs in 1.6.0.2. The main problem is that we've made a lot of changes in the past few months — far more than we typically make for a bugfix release — and we paid the complexity tax for that. Tobie has kindly volunteered to roll back to late April and cherry-pick the important stuff that happened after that point. The rest we can defer to 1.6.1. On Aug 29, 1:54 pm, Mark Caudill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite what anyone calls it, Prototype is starting to stall (due to huge changes in the Core team, lighthouse transition, API system, etc.). I don't want to see Prototype lose more support because of one slow sub version. Everyone keep saying it'll be fine after 1.6.0.3 is finally out, but I don't know if that's factual. It's rough; I know. Unlike Dojo and jQuery, we don't have anyone who's paid to work on Prototype full-time, so there will be an ebb and flow. Tobie's been busy with the Caja work, I've been busy at my full-time job (I'm not even on a web development project right now), Thomas is busy getting married, and so on. But I would get ready for another flurry of development after The Ajax Experience, since conferences always give me the coding itch. ;-) Anyway, I want this to be a positive message. I am willing to do as much as I can to help this release and the eventual 1.6.1. I swear soon we'll figure out a more formal way to match people up with what they're good at. In the meantime, depending on your strengths, here's what we could use help with: * Unit tests for existing patches with a 1.6.0.3 milestone. * Increased test coverage for stuff that's already in the library. For instance, it'd be great to have a bunch more dirty tests for Selector. * Help with PDoc. If you have a head for parsers, grab the source and see if you can grok what we're doing there. * Help with the eventual PDoc documentation for Prototype. My GitHub fork [1], the unofficial 1.6.1 branch, has some PDoc comments in there already; feel free to fork, document what is still undocumented, and send pull requests. That's what I can think of at the moment. Other team members should speak up if they can think of anything else. Thanks for your concern and enthusiasm, Mark. Cheers, Andrew [1]http://github.com/savetheclocktower/prototype/tree/master --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to prototype-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-core?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Prototype-core] Re: 1.6.0.3 status: Where we're at
On Sep 5, 12:52 pm, Valentin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone actually built a current version of the trunk? I have no idea how to do that (never used Ruby on Rails or anything like that) I have uploaded a trunk snapshot as of today. http://yura.thinkweb2.com/prototype_trunk_9_5_08.js and the incredibly annoying bugs in 1.6.0.2 just make me want to move away from Prototype to JQuery. For example, a simple bug (dunno if it was fixed or not) is that you cannot select with the $ extended element function an object / tag in IE 7 without getting an arrow. Prototype is supposed to be cross- browser and right now I have to write code separately for IE to deal with this ... Could you please file a bug report. We'll definitely look into it. Best, -- kangax --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to prototype-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-core?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Prototype-core] Re: 1.6.0.3 status: Where we're at
I just tried it and the bug is still here (and there other bugs,
because the following simple code doesn't even work on Firefox with
the trunk version, it works just fine with the 1.6.0.2 stable)
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN http://
www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en
head
titleTest IE Bug with Prototype 1.6.0.2/title
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 /
meta http-equiv=Content-Style-Type content=text/css /
script type=text/javascript src=prototype_trunk_9_5_08.js/
script
script type=text/javascript
function tesst() {
$('test').update('Doesnt work');
}
/script
/head
body
h1This is a test of the bug with Prototype 1.6.0.2/h1
div
input type=button value=Click to test onclick=tesst(); /
pobject id=testThis is the inside of an object tag./object
/div
/body
/html
Save the above piece of code in a .htm file and run it in FIREFOX 3.0
and IE 7. In FF 3 if we use stable 1.6.0.2 code works as expeected. In
IE 7 it fails. The problem is that I cannot extend the object tag
with the $ function. It's really unbelivable that this hasn't been
documented / fix to this date ...
On Sep 5, 10:54 am, kangax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 5, 12:52 pm, Valentin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Has anyone actually built a current version of the trunk? I have no
idea how to do that (never used Ruby on Rails or anything like that)
I have uploaded a trunk snapshot as of
today.http://yura.thinkweb2.com/prototype_trunk_9_5_08.js
and the incredibly annoying bugs in 1.6.0.2 just make me want to move
away from Prototype to JQuery.
For example, a simple bug (dunno if it was fixed or not) is that you
cannot select with the $ extended element function an object / tag
in IE 7 without getting an arrow. Prototype is supposed to be cross-
browser and right now I have to write code separately for IE to deal
with this ...
Could you please file a bug report. We'll definitely look into it.
Best,
--
kangax
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[Prototype-core] Re: 1.6.0.3 status: Where we're at
On Sep 5, 8:03 pm, Valentin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Save the above piece of code in a .htm file and run it in FIREFOX 3.0 and IE 7. In FF 3 if we use stable 1.6.0.2 code works as expeected. In IE 7 it fails. The problem is that I cannot extend the object tag It does extend object element as far as I can see. E.g. `show`/`hide` work as expected. with the $ function. It's really unbelivable that this hasn't been documented / fix to this date ... object's in IE are notorious for their buggy behavior. E.g. trying to call `appendChild` (which `update` uses internally) results in an error. It's also a good idea to file bug reports when you encounter such issues. It's not easy to test for all the edge-case scenarios. -- kangax --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to prototype-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-core?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Prototype-core] Re: 1.6.0.3 status: Where we're at
I really seems weird that nobody in the world actually had to deal with $.update on an object ... I really don't know how to submit a bug, or how to compile prototype. So if you want you can submit this yourself ... On Sep 5, 7:07 pm, kangax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 5, 8:03 pm, Valentin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Save the above piece of code in a .htm file and run it in FIREFOX 3.0 and IE 7. In FF 3 if we use stable 1.6.0.2 code works as expeected. In IE 7 it fails. The problem is that I cannot extend the object tag It does extend object element as far as I can see. E.g. `show`/`hide` work as expected. with the $ function. It's really unbelivable that this hasn't been documented / fix to this date ... object's in IE are notorious for their buggy behavior. E.g. trying to call `appendChild` (which `update` uses internally) results in an error. It's also a good idea to file bug reports when you encounter such issues. It's not easy to test for all the edge-case scenarios. -- kangax --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to prototype-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-core?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
