Making progress
Hi: I just wanted to let you all know that I’m really making progress with pt 9. I have it working with the alesis master mix, which does great with scrubbing. I have the tranzport working with it as well. I got Lounge lizzard which works well with it and is accessible. I am getting a grasp of how to select stuff etc. The onlyl problem I’m having right now is getting instrument tracks to replace what I’ve recorded with new material, it seems to always overdub no matter what I do with the record options. But overall it’s really working out. I wish I could get personal orchestra and ivory working with it, but I’m not able to get to the part of the window to drop down the menus for loading instruments into the slots in GPO. I guess I’ll need to set up a hot spot or whatever in VO. When my sighted reader was here today she got the menu to drop down and I could read it with VOice over. And of course, we need a sampler. I’m wondering if dimension pro for the mac might work for us since it does load SFZ files. They do have it for mac, but it may only be a stand alone, I’ll have to check it out. But I’m happy, and I really see potential here. Gord From: Slau Halatyn Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 1:56 PM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: modifying a selection Hi JP, Here are a few tips for auditioning files: Let's assume that you have Pre/Post Roll turned off but that you have Pre/Post roll values of 2 seconds set. You can audition several things using a combination of the Option and Command modifiers along with the left or right arrow keys. In this case, it helps to think of the left arrow key as pertaining to the beginning of the selection range and the right arrow as pertaining to the end of the selection. Also, if you think of the Option as what precedes and Command as what follows, it will probably help a bit. What I'm about to describe might sound a bit confusing at first but, I assure you, once you do it, it's easy and becomes second nature. Frankly, I never remember how to describe it but, if I'm in a session, I can do it instantly. Let's say you've selected audio from the 10 second mark to the 20 second mark. Again, let's assume your Pre/Post roll is off but that you have the values for Pre/Post roll set to 2 seconds each. If you were to simply press the space bar, you'd hear your 10 second selection and that's all. Now let's say you wanted to hear what precedes the selection without losing the selection. Pressing Option-left arrow will play what leads up to the selection by the pre-roll value. In this case, Option pertains to the "pre" aspect of the operation and the left arrow pertains to the beginning of the selection. so you hear what precedes the beginning. If you were to instead use the right arrow along with the Option modifier, you'd hear what precedes the end of the selection. Again, this would be by the pre-roll value. If your pre-roll value is set to 8 seconds, then you'd hear the 8 seconds leading up to the end of the selection. If you were to use the Command modifier instead of the Option, you'd hear what follows the beginning or ending of the selection. So, if you use Command-left arrow, you'd hear what follows the start point of the selection by the post-roll value. Of course, you could just press the space bar to hear this as well. But let's say you wanted to hear what follows the end of your selection. You would then press Command-right arrow. Now, let's say you wanted to hear what precedes as well as what follows the beginning or ending of the selection start or end. You would then use Option plus Command together along with the left or right arrow keys. So, for example, to hear what leads up to the end of the selection plus what follows it, you'd press Option-Command-right arrow. BTW, if you have no selection and just an insertion point, you can also use these same keys to quickly audition what precedes or follows the insertion point without having to move the insertion or engage the transport. The limitation is that it's based on Pre/Post roll values so if you need to hear something a little earlier than 2 seconds before the insertion, you'll probably be better off just scrubbing backward or rewinding. HTH, Slau On Jun 21, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: Hi all, and mostly Kevin. In your last tutorial, thanks again for this one, you demonstrated how to select a bit of audio and paste it somewhere else. In your, life, example, the selection was rather short. But how about if it's a long selection and you want to listen to the ending in order to trim it a little bit. For the start, it's okay because you hear it instantly. But what about the end, is there a way to play a few seconds before? Or can scrubbing be used in this case? Unfortunately, I don't own a ProTools yet so forgive me if my question has an obvious answer I'm not aware of. Cheers, JPR http://www.facebo
Re: a new round of questions
Hallo Jake, tuning is, technically speaking, possible maybe but I learned from an old producer that a well trained artist who knows her abillity tune themselves if you provide them with a good monitorsystem or good headphones with the right volume so that they can hear themselvs good enough. I was in a situation ones that i could not hear the ballance between the band and me. The result was appawling. but maybe it gives you a bit of encouragment listen to Shirly Bassy and sasja Distel she sings absolutly out of tune and it became a hit and there are much more records of this kind belief you me. Cheers Peter. - Original Message - From: Jake To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 6:42 PM Subject: Re: a new round of questions Dear JP, I agree with you hole heartedly. Illegal downloading is a large problem in the US as well, and has undoubtedly hurt the music industry. This does not change the realities of our situation. As I see it speaking in general terms. We have 2 choices we can either resign our selves to working with what ever comes across our table witch means having to polish terds and find the occasional gold nugget, if you will pardon the metaphor. Or we can become so good and so well known for our craft and turning out a good product that we can demand a higher price and thus gather a more exclusive client list, and only work with those who are worth that kind of money and time. I am just starting out learning and know I at least in the beginning will not be worth that level of exclusivity. So my question is how do we deal with the day to day non-golden nuggets and still make them as shiny as possible. The specific question is tuning and does the screen reader help with the visual representation or do we have to develop a masters ear if not a masters client list. thanks Jake PS Thank you list for indulging my rants. - Original Message - From: Jean-Philippe Rykiel To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:32 AM Subject: Re: a new round of questions Dear Jake, I know exactly what you're saying, but I also think it is one of the reasons why the music industry is dying. The pearl necklace you're talking about is just plastic now, I'm in France, and we also have a big problem about kids downloading music illegally. It's bad, but maybe these kids, down inside, feel that what the industry is trying to sell them as music is not worth any more. My musical background goes from Mozart to Thelenious Monk, Miles Davis, the Beatles, Frank Zappa, and also African music I'm very fond of, and they want to sell me lady gaga? Okay, I'm getting really off topic now and I hope you'll excuse me for this. Cheers, JPR http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Jake To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:04 AM Subject: Re: a new round of questions I completely agree but it is a fact of life if we want to make a living all of our clients are not going to be legend status good or even particularly professional, and we are going to have to polish terds from time to time and just hope it doesn't become our bred and butter. I have sat in on 4 or 5 sessions now and it strikes me that a large part of the time in studio working on an album is turning a string of terds in to a pearl necklace. So how do we as blind engineers compensate for the unprofessional sound of the majority of our clients? thanks much Jake - Original Message - From: Jean-Philippe Rykiel To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:35 AM Subject: Re: a new round of questions Dear Jake and all, it has nothing to do with you and it's probably off topic, but it just striked me when I read your message, why a hell don't people learn how to sing? Did the Beach boys need that? Cheers, JPR http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Jake To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 8:29 AM Subject: a new round of questions I just sat in on my first recording session today, it was informative and thought provoking. The engineer was using Logic rather then PT but I assume the principles are the same. One question I have is regarding tuning. They laid down some vocal tracks and were tuning them to harmonize with each other. As I understand it they were using a visual representation of the 3 vocal tracks (Low and High backing tracks and a lead vocal track.) The pitch of the 3 tracks were displayed as a graf or some thing and they were able to clean up the sharps and flats and in one
Pitch changing in PT
Hi Mike, Waves "soundShifter" is fairly accessible with a control surface. I just grabbed it for $129.00 the other day and wow!!! Changing Pitch or time or both for full mixes, complete songs is stunning to say the least! Still in early stages of whacking! AS for vocal tuning, Waves "Tune" sounds or may be I should say does not sound! LOL excellent! I have just about got it conquered I hope! LOL Your pitch may beri. But your mileage won't with waves! LOL Chuck On Jun 24, 2011, at 3:10 PM, MLock1g wrote: Sorry don't know what happen. Hey Jake Pitch&Time is probably more used in the protools DAW the older V. was more accessible but there are some work around for protools9. To your earlier question yes at some point you have to hear it though, even if they are viewing it on screen theres no perfect wave to note depiction when it comes to say a vocal track unless its being sung with no modulation. L8R MLock1g wrote: Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: Dear Jake, I remember someone asking about Melodyne ae awhile ago on this list. Melodyne is undoubtably the best tuning device I've ever heard, but I don't know about its accessibility. On the other hand, sonar'sV vocal is not bad and almost entirely accessible. Maybe you could have BootCamp on your Mac and use Windows, jaws, and sonar's V Vocal if nothing is available on ProTools, but that would require learning how to use all this as well. I hope that ProTools experts will come up with another solution. Best, JPR http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Jake To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 6:42 PM Subject: Re: a new round of questions Dear JP, I agree with you hole heartedly. Illegal downloading is a large problem in the US as well, and has undoubtedly hurt the music industry. This does not change the realities of our situation. As I see it speaking in general terms. We have 2 choices we can either resign our selves to working with what ever comes across our table witch means having to polish terds and find the occasional gold nugget, if you will pardon the metaphor. Or we can become so good and so well known for our craft and turning out a good product that we can demand a higher price and thus gather a more exclusive client list, and only work with those who are worth that kind of money and time. I am just starting out learning and know I at least in the beginning will not be worth that level of exclusivity. So my question is how do we deal with the day to day non-golden nuggets and still make them as shiny as possible. The specific question is tuning and does the screen reader help with the visual representation or do we have to develop a masters ear if not a masters client list. thanks Jake PS Thank you list for indulging my rants. - Original Message - From: Jean-Philippe Rykiel To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:32 AM Subject: Re: a new round of questions Dear Jake, I know exactly what you're saying, but I also think it is one of the reasons why the music industry is dying. The pearl necklace you're talking about is just plastic now, I'm in France, and we also have a big problem about kids downloading music illegally. It's bad, but maybe these kids, down inside, feel that what the industry is trying to sell them as music is not worth any more. My musical background goes from Mozart to Thelenious Monk, Miles Davis, the Beatles, Frank Zappa, and also African music I'm very fond of, and they want to sell me lady gaga? Okay, I'm getting really off topic now and I hope you'll excuse me for this. Cheers, JPR http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Jake To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:04 AM Subject: Re: a new round of questions I completely agree but it is a fact of life if we want to make a living all of our clients are not going to be legend status good or even particularly professional, and we are going to have to polish terds from time to time and just hope it doesn't become our bred and butter. I have sat in on 4 or 5 sessions now and it strikes me that a large part of the time in studio working on an album is turning a string of terds in to a pearl necklace. So how do we as blind engineers compensate for the unprofessional sound of the majority of our clients? thanks much Jake - Original Message - From: Jean-Philippe Rykiel To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:35 AM Subject: Re: a new round of questions Dear Jake and all, it has nothing to do with you and it's probably off topic, but it just striked me when I read your message, why a hell don't people learn how t
Re: ed in the protools DAW the older V. was more accessible but there are some work arounds for protools9.Re: a new round of questions
Sorry don't know what happen. Hey Jake Pitch&Time is probably more used in the protools DAW the older V. was more accessible but there are some work around for protools9. To your earlier question yes at some point you have to hear it though, even if they are viewing it on screen theres no perfect wave to note depiction when it comes to say a vocal track unless its being sung with no modulation. L8R MLock1g wrote: > Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: > > Dear Jake, > > I remember someone asking about Melodyne ae awhile ago on this list. > > Melodyne is undoubtably the best tuning device I've ever heard, but I don't > > know about its accessibility. On the other hand, sonar'sV vocal is not bad > > and almost entirely accessible. > > Maybe you could have BootCamp on your Mac and use Windows, jaws, and > > sonar's V Vocal if nothing is available on ProTools, but that would require > > learning how to use all this as well. I hope that ProTools experts will > > come up with another solution. > > Best, > > JPR > > http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel > > http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Jake > > To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com > > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 6:42 PM > > Subject: Re: a new round of questions > > > > > > Dear JP, I agree with you hole heartedly. Illegal downloading is a large > > problem in the US as well, and has undoubtedly hurt the music industry. > > This does not change the realities of our situation. As I see it speaking > > in general terms. We have 2 choices we can either resign our selves to > > working with what ever comes across our table witch means having to polish > > terds and find the occasional gold nugget, if you will pardon the metaphor. > > Or we can become so good and so well known for our craft and turning out a > > good product that we can demand a higher price and thus gather a more > > exclusive client list, and only work with those who are worth that kind of > > money and time. I am just starting out learning and know I at least in the > > beginning will not be worth that level of exclusivity. So my question is > > how do we deal with the day to day non-golden nuggets and still make them > > as shiny as possible. The specific question is tuning and does the screen > > reader help with the visual representation or do we have to develop a > > masters ear if not a masters client list. > > thanks > > Jake > > > > PS Thank you list for indulging my rants. > > - Original Message - > > From: Jean-Philippe Rykiel > > To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:32 AM > > Subject: Re: a new round of questions > > > > > > Dear Jake, > > I know exactly what you're saying, but I also think it is one of the > > reasons why the music industry is dying. The pearl necklace you're talking > > about is just plastic now, I'm in France, and we also have a big problem > > about kids downloading music illegally. It's bad, but maybe these kids, > > down inside, feel that what the industry is trying to sell them as music is > > not worth any more. > > My musical background goes from Mozart to Thelenious Monk, Miles Davis, > > the Beatles, Frank Zappa, and also African music I'm very fond of, and they > > want to sell me lady gaga? > > Okay, I'm getting really off topic now and I hope you'll excuse me for > > this. > > Cheers, > > JPR > > http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel > > http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Jake > > To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:04 AM > > Subject: Re: a new round of questions > > > > > > I completely agree but it is a fact of life if we want to make a > > living all of our clients are not going to be legend status good or even > > particularly professional, and we are going to have to polish terds from > > time to time and just hope it doesn't become our bred and butter. I have > > sat in on 4 or 5 sessions now and it strikes me that a large part of the > > time in studio working on an album is turning a string of terds in to a > > pearl necklace. So how do we as blind engineers compensate for the > > unprofessional sound of the majority of our clients? > > > > thanks much > > Jake > > - Original Message - > > From: Jean-Philippe Rykiel > > To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:35 AM > > Subject: Re: a new round of questions > > > > > > Dear Jake and all, > > it has nothing to do with you and it's probably off topic, but it > > just striked me when I read your message, why a hell don't people learn how > > to sing? Did the Beach boys need that? > > Cheers, > > JPR > > > > http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel > > http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel
ed in the protools DAW the older V. was more accessible but there are some work arounds for protools9.Re: a new round of questions
Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: > Dear Jake, > I remember someone asking about Melodyne ae awhile ago on this list. Melodyne > is undoubtably the best tuning device I've ever heard, but I don't know about > its accessibility. On the other hand, sonar'sV vocal is not bad and almost > entirely accessible. > Maybe you could have BootCamp on your Mac and use Windows, jaws, and sonar's > V Vocal if nothing is available on ProTools, but that would require learning > how to use all this as well. I hope that ProTools experts will come up with > another solution. > Best, > JPR > http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel > http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel > > - Original Message - > From: Jake > To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 6:42 PM > Subject: Re: a new round of questions > > > Dear JP, I agree with you hole heartedly. Illegal downloading is a large > problem in the US as well, and has undoubtedly hurt the music industry. This > does not change the realities of our situation. As I see it speaking in > general terms. We have 2 choices we can either resign our selves to working > with what ever comes across our table witch means having to polish terds and > find the occasional gold nugget, if you will pardon the metaphor. Or we can > become so good and so well known for our craft and turning out a good product > that we can demand a higher price and thus gather a more exclusive client > list, and only work with those who are worth that kind of money and time. I > am just starting out learning and know I at least in the beginning will not > be worth that level of exclusivity. So my question is how do we deal with the > day to day non-golden nuggets and still make them as shiny as possible. The > specific question is tuning and does the screen reader help with the visual > representation or do we have to develop a masters ear if not a masters client > list. > thanks > Jake > > PS Thank you list for indulging my rants. > - Original Message - > From: Jean-Philippe Rykiel > To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:32 AM > Subject: Re: a new round of questions > > > Dear Jake, > I know exactly what you're saying, but I also think it is one of the > reasons why the music industry is dying. The pearl necklace you're talking > about is just plastic now, I'm in France, and we also have a big problem > about kids downloading music illegally. It's bad, but maybe these kids, down > inside, feel that what the industry is trying to sell them as music is not > worth any more. > My musical background goes from Mozart to Thelenious Monk, Miles Davis, > the Beatles, Frank Zappa, and also African music I'm very fond of, and they > want to sell me lady gaga? > Okay, I'm getting really off topic now and I hope you'll excuse me for > this. > Cheers, > JPR > http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel > http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel > > - Original Message - > From: Jake > To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:04 AM > Subject: Re: a new round of questions > > > I completely agree but it is a fact of life if we want to make a living > all of our clients are not going to be legend status good or even > particularly professional, and we are going to have to polish terds from time > to time and just hope it doesn't become our bred and butter. I have sat in on > 4 or 5 sessions now and it strikes me that a large part of the time in studio > working on an album is turning a string of terds in to a pearl necklace. So > how do we as blind engineers compensate for the unprofessional sound of the > majority of our clients? > > thanks much > Jake > - Original Message - > From: Jean-Philippe Rykiel > To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:35 AM > Subject: Re: a new round of questions > > > Dear Jake and all, > it has nothing to do with you and it's probably off topic, but it > just striked me when I read your message, why a hell don't people learn how > to sing? Did the Beach boys need that? > Cheers, > JPR > > http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel > http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel > > - Original Message - > From: Jake > To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 8:29 AM > Subject: a new round of questions > > > I just sat in on my first recording session today, it was > informative and thought provoking. The engineer was using Logic rather then > PT but I assume the principles are the same. One question I have is regarding > tuning. They laid down some vocal tracks and were tuning them to harmonize > with each other. As I understand it they were using a visual representation > of the 3 vocal tracks
Re: a new round of questions
So to be clear it is not serten if Melodyne is accessable? - Original Message - From: Jean-Philippe Rykiel To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:12 AM Subject: Re: a new round of questions Dear Jake, I remember someone asking about Melodyne ae awhile ago on this list. Melodyne is undoubtably the best tuning device I've ever heard, but I don't know about its accessibility. On the other hand, sonar'sV vocal is not bad and almost entirely accessible. Maybe you could have BootCamp on your Mac and use Windows, jaws, and sonar's V Vocal if nothing is available on ProTools, but that would require learning how to use all this as well. I hope that ProTools experts will come up with another solution. Best, JPR http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Jake To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 6:42 PM Subject: Re: a new round of questions Dear JP, I agree with you hole heartedly. Illegal downloading is a large problem in the US as well, and has undoubtedly hurt the music industry. This does not change the realities of our situation. As I see it speaking in general terms. We have 2 choices we can either resign our selves to working with what ever comes across our table witch means having to polish terds and find the occasional gold nugget, if you will pardon the metaphor. Or we can become so good and so well known for our craft and turning out a good product that we can demand a higher price and thus gather a more exclusive client list, and only work with those who are worth that kind of money and time. I am just starting out learning and know I at least in the beginning will not be worth that level of exclusivity. So my question is how do we deal with the day to day non-golden nuggets and still make them as shiny as possible. The specific question is tuning and does the screen reader help with the visual representation or do we have to develop a masters ear if not a masters client list. thanks Jake PS Thank you list for indulging my rants. - Original Message - From: Jean-Philippe Rykiel To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:32 AM Subject: Re: a new round of questions Dear Jake, I know exactly what you're saying, but I also think it is one of the reasons why the music industry is dying. The pearl necklace you're talking about is just plastic now, I'm in France, and we also have a big problem about kids downloading music illegally. It's bad, but maybe these kids, down inside, feel that what the industry is trying to sell them as music is not worth any more. My musical background goes from Mozart to Thelenious Monk, Miles Davis, the Beatles, Frank Zappa, and also African music I'm very fond of, and they want to sell me lady gaga? Okay, I'm getting really off topic now and I hope you'll excuse me for this. Cheers, JPR http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Jake To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:04 AM Subject: Re: a new round of questions I completely agree but it is a fact of life if we want to make a living all of our clients are not going to be legend status good or even particularly professional, and we are going to have to polish terds from time to time and just hope it doesn't become our bred and butter. I have sat in on 4 or 5 sessions now and it strikes me that a large part of the time in studio working on an album is turning a string of terds in to a pearl necklace. So how do we as blind engineers compensate for the unprofessional sound of the majority of our clients? thanks much Jake - Original Message - From: Jean-Philippe Rykiel To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:35 AM Subject: Re: a new round of questions Dear Jake and all, it has nothing to do with you and it's probably off topic, but it just striked me when I read your message, why a hell don't people learn how to sing? Did the Beach boys need that? Cheers, JPR http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Jake To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 8:29 AM Subject: a new round of questions I just sat in on my first recording session today, it was informative and thought provoking. The engineer was using Logic rather then PT but I assume the principles are the same. One question I have is regarding tuning. They laid down some vocal tracks and were tu
Re: a new round of questions
Dear Jake, I remember someone asking about Melodyne ae awhile ago on this list. Melodyne is undoubtably the best tuning device I've ever heard, but I don't know about its accessibility. On the other hand, sonar'sV vocal is not bad and almost entirely accessible. Maybe you could have BootCamp on your Mac and use Windows, jaws, and sonar's V Vocal if nothing is available on ProTools, but that would require learning how to use all this as well. I hope that ProTools experts will come up with another solution. Best, JPR http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Jake To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 6:42 PM Subject: Re: a new round of questions Dear JP, I agree with you hole heartedly. Illegal downloading is a large problem in the US as well, and has undoubtedly hurt the music industry. This does not change the realities of our situation. As I see it speaking in general terms. We have 2 choices we can either resign our selves to working with what ever comes across our table witch means having to polish terds and find the occasional gold nugget, if you will pardon the metaphor. Or we can become so good and so well known for our craft and turning out a good product that we can demand a higher price and thus gather a more exclusive client list, and only work with those who are worth that kind of money and time. I am just starting out learning and know I at least in the beginning will not be worth that level of exclusivity. So my question is how do we deal with the day to day non-golden nuggets and still make them as shiny as possible. The specific question is tuning and does the screen reader help with the visual representation or do we have to develop a masters ear if not a masters client list. thanks Jake PS Thank you list for indulging my rants. - Original Message - From: Jean-Philippe Rykiel To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:32 AM Subject: Re: a new round of questions Dear Jake, I know exactly what you're saying, but I also think it is one of the reasons why the music industry is dying. The pearl necklace you're talking about is just plastic now, I'm in France, and we also have a big problem about kids downloading music illegally. It's bad, but maybe these kids, down inside, feel that what the industry is trying to sell them as music is not worth any more. My musical background goes from Mozart to Thelenious Monk, Miles Davis, the Beatles, Frank Zappa, and also African music I'm very fond of, and they want to sell me lady gaga? Okay, I'm getting really off topic now and I hope you'll excuse me for this. Cheers, JPR http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Jake To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:04 AM Subject: Re: a new round of questions I completely agree but it is a fact of life if we want to make a living all of our clients are not going to be legend status good or even particularly professional, and we are going to have to polish terds from time to time and just hope it doesn't become our bred and butter. I have sat in on 4 or 5 sessions now and it strikes me that a large part of the time in studio working on an album is turning a string of terds in to a pearl necklace. So how do we as blind engineers compensate for the unprofessional sound of the majority of our clients? thanks much Jake - Original Message - From: Jean-Philippe Rykiel To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:35 AM Subject: Re: a new round of questions Dear Jake and all, it has nothing to do with you and it's probably off topic, but it just striked me when I read your message, why a hell don't people learn how to sing? Did the Beach boys need that? Cheers, JPR http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Jake To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 8:29 AM Subject: a new round of questions I just sat in on my first recording session today, it was informative and thought provoking. The engineer was using Logic rather then PT but I assume the principles are the same. One question I have is regarding tuning. They laid down some vocal tracks and were tuning them to harmonize with each other. As I understand it they were using a visual representation of the 3 vocal tracks (Low and High backing tracks and a lead vocal track.) The pitch of the 3 tracks were displayed as a graf or some thing and they were able to clean up the sharps and flats and in one case even drop the pitch a few notes t
Re: a new round of questions
Dear JP, I agree with you hole heartedly. Illegal downloading is a large problem in the US as well, and has undoubtedly hurt the music industry. This does not change the realities of our situation. As I see it speaking in general terms. We have 2 choices we can either resign our selves to working with what ever comes across our table witch means having to polish terds and find the occasional gold nugget, if you will pardon the metaphor. Or we can become so good and so well known for our craft and turning out a good product that we can demand a higher price and thus gather a more exclusive client list, and only work with those who are worth that kind of money and time. I am just starting out learning and know I at least in the beginning will not be worth that level of exclusivity. So my question is how do we deal with the day to day non-golden nuggets and still make them as shiny as possible. The specific question is tuning and does the screen reader help with the visual representation or do we have to develop a masters ear if not a masters client list. thanks Jake PS Thank you list for indulging my rants. - Original Message - From: Jean-Philippe Rykiel To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:32 AM Subject: Re: a new round of questions Dear Jake, I know exactly what you're saying, but I also think it is one of the reasons why the music industry is dying. The pearl necklace you're talking about is just plastic now, I'm in France, and we also have a big problem about kids downloading music illegally. It's bad, but maybe these kids, down inside, feel that what the industry is trying to sell them as music is not worth any more. My musical background goes from Mozart to Thelenious Monk, Miles Davis, the Beatles, Frank Zappa, and also African music I'm very fond of, and they want to sell me lady gaga? Okay, I'm getting really off topic now and I hope you'll excuse me for this. Cheers, JPR http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Jake To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:04 AM Subject: Re: a new round of questions I completely agree but it is a fact of life if we want to make a living all of our clients are not going to be legend status good or even particularly professional, and we are going to have to polish terds from time to time and just hope it doesn't become our bred and butter. I have sat in on 4 or 5 sessions now and it strikes me that a large part of the time in studio working on an album is turning a string of terds in to a pearl necklace. So how do we as blind engineers compensate for the unprofessional sound of the majority of our clients? thanks much Jake - Original Message - From: Jean-Philippe Rykiel To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:35 AM Subject: Re: a new round of questions Dear Jake and all, it has nothing to do with you and it's probably off topic, but it just striked me when I read your message, why a hell don't people learn how to sing? Did the Beach boys need that? Cheers, JPR http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Jake To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 8:29 AM Subject: a new round of questions I just sat in on my first recording session today, it was informative and thought provoking. The engineer was using Logic rather then PT but I assume the principles are the same. One question I have is regarding tuning. They laid down some vocal tracks and were tuning them to harmonize with each other. As I understand it they were using a visual representation of the 3 vocal tracks (Low and High backing tracks and a lead vocal track.) The pitch of the 3 tracks were displayed as a graf or some thing and they were able to clean up the sharps and flats and in one case even drop the pitch a few notes to be more in continuity with the other 2 tracks. They could see it as I have said mapped out, is VO able to interpret the visual representation or do we just have to have an ear for it. thanks much Jake
Re: Drum replacement and reinforcement in PT
Yep, what Slau said. Muchos thanks Mike, this is gonna save my bacon. Scott On 6/24/11, Slau Halatyn wrote: > Dat's what I'm talkin' 'bout! You rock, Mike. Keep it coming. :) > > Slau > > On Jun 24, 2011, at 1:23 AM, MLock1g wrote: > >> OK Scott spent some time today, so this is where we are. >> First of all SoundReplacer is an Audio Suite plug-in, so you have to >> select the desired track and length. Preopening SoundReplacer you >> should have your destination wave or waves in a reachable folder. >> Select your track then go audio suite, soundreplacer. >> you probably want to make sure use in play list is selected. Moving >> left to right with voiceover when you reach >> the no track is selected button, click it, this is where you set your >> destination track in other words your new sound will go on this track. >> The next set of parameters will be your thresholds interact with the >> first one. This threshold determents how the replaced sound is >> manipulated by the original sound >> for example when its set to its original state, 0.0DB it probably >> won't trigger any thing. >> Setting it higher or interacting with that threshold moving down with >> the voiceover curser,it triggers more of the replace sound. >> More advance you can use two or three of those thresholds for example >> if you had a snare on the first one set that threshold to max and >> because the rim shot is softer you can set the second one to medium >> where the threshold doesn't need to be as high. >> Now this is where voiceover gets tricky a bit. After you move past >> those three thresholds, you will reach >> "off file name parameters, if you set the first threshold parameter >> then you want to interact with the first file name parameter. >> interact with it to turn it on, voiceover don't announce "on" it just >> lets you know its busy. >> Now you have a file chooser window open, VO doesn't announce this >> either, but you can use your windows chooser command and VO announces >> this. >> Use this window to locate and load your desired replace sound, click >> open and bang its there! now you can preview or process and if my >> instructions work and you followed good, you should have a replaced >> sound on the destination track. >> MLoc >>> LOL Slau thats me midnight creeper, yeah as soon as I'm done >>> transitioning I'll do somthing more formal. I'm almost there. Until >>> that time I've been reading some of the post, to you and Kevin Frank >>> Chuck abnd the guys good job!!! l8r... >>> >>> MLock1g wrote: Slau Halatyn wrote: > Hey, hey! Mr. Mike Lockett is on the list! Welcome, my friend. Thought > you could just slip in under the radar without announcing yourself, eh? > ;) > Slau > > On Jun 23, 2011, at 1:22 AM, MLock1g wrote: > >> Hey Scott yeah SoundReplacer would replace those drums sounds for you. >> I've use it now for about 5 years with protools 5 and it was about 80% b > > accessible. I've installed it in pt9 and it seems 90% accessible, I >> just haven't located the load button yet but I'll spend more time and >> let you know. If you can gate your drums until just that desired sound > b > is present you just have to create the replacement sound make sure >> your start point is exact and the bit and sample rate is the same, it >> works excellent. >> >> On Jun 18, 2:26 am, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>> Sure, I know it can be done, it's more cban be done with VO that I'm >>> after here. >>> >>> So far, the most progress I've been able to make is the maker of the >>> sample sets I'd ideally like to use has offered to supply them in a >>> format to work with Structure. I'm not sure how much that's going to >>> help, anyone using Structure successfully? >>> >>> Cheers >>> Scott >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 17 Jun 2011, at 22:27, Kevin Shaw wrote: >>> >>> >>> HI Scott, >>> Yes, this can be done using the Sound Replacer plug in, but I'm not certain as to how accessible that particular plugin is. I produced an album where we triggered samples to add to an existing, well-recorded it and the results were quite impressive. >>> Good luck, Kevin- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - > >
