Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] Pro Tools Dock and s3
Hi. Was 2018 the official cut off year for the C24 or D Command surface? I wasn’t sure which one you were talking about when you spoke to Avid. Thanks. Katie > On Nov 6, 2015, at 3:10 PM, 'Hi' via Pro Tools Accessibility > wrote: > > Slau, I actually called Avid today so I won't panic about loss of use. :) > They said 2018 is the official cut off date they were told. Although the non > supported clause is in effect they basically said they would try to trouble > shoot as much as they could if things went wrong but as far as repair you're > on your own. There are a few great places for service both in NY and > California. We replaced a control board a few years ago in a C|24 the same > afternoon which was encouraging to know we didn't have to wait a month for > Avid. As long as the parts are still available we should all be in > good shape for the next 3 years. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] Pro Tools Dock and s3
Oh, to be sure, there are still a few years in there. I wouldn't worry about it. As long as things are working, you're in good shape. On Nov 6, 2015, at 6:10 PM, 'Hi' via Pro Tools Accessibility wrote: > Slau, I actually called Avid today so I won't panic about loss of use. :) > They said 2018 is the official cut off date they were told. Although the non > supported clause is in effect they basically said they would try to trouble > shoot as much as they could if things went wrong but as far as repair you're > on your own. There are a few great places for service both in NY and > California. We replaced a control board a few years ago in a C|24 the same > afternoon which was encouraging to know we didn't have to wait a month for > Avid. As long as the parts are still available we should all be in > good shape for the next 3 years. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] Pro Tools Dock and s3
Slau, I actually called Avid today so I won't panic about loss of use. :) They said 2018 is the official cut off date they were told. Although the non supported clause is in effect they basically said they would try to trouble shoot as much as they could if things went wrong but as far as repair you're on your own. There are a few great places for service both in NY and California. We replaced a control board a few years ago in a C|24 the same afternoon which was encouraging to know we didn't have to wait a month for Avid. As long as the parts are still available we should all be in good shape for the next 3 years. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] Pro Tools Dock and s3
Interesting. I was told by a few people (including Avid) to steer away from the D Control but it's good to know that it at least does still work with v12. The difficult part of the Icon series and c|24 is that the only upgrade path is to the S6. Unfortunately, the multi-touch module in the S6 isn't accessible out of the box. Hopefully, like the S3, the S6 will support the iPad Control app. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] Pro Tools Dock and s3
Hi, I use the D|control every day with 12 and no problems at all. At this point both have been discontinued accept the S series which is the new product line of surfaces. Avid-Digidesign has always had a good run with their products long after the sleep dates. That's why I would bank on a shelf life of a few more years for all of these units until PT comes up with a new protocol which will deem them completely obsolete. For the money I would certainly go for something that has a great feel and does a lot more for now until you're forced to change. If you're still interested in a C24 I found one in California in like new condition for $4000 but again, if the state will help you pay for it I would go for something better. Having used all 3 for a long time I would go for a D|control if the size doesn't matter to you. The D|command is smaller but has fewer features and the C|24 is the smallest of all 3 which includes Mic pre's that are some of the worst sounding in my opinion. I haven't physically touched an S6 but of course if they would bank roll it for you I would investigate how accessible it is. We'll most likely be getting one here within the next few months so at that point I'll be using it daily and be able to let you know what accessibility issues there are. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] Pro Tools Dock and s3
Hi Katie, If you're going to use Pro tools 10, the D Control and D Command will work but, if you're working on Pro Tools 12, they won't work according to Avid, FYI. Slau On Nov 6, 2015, at 3:09 AM, Katie Zodrow wrote: > Hi. Thanks for the info about the D Control. I’ve never heard of this control > surface before. I looked on Avid’s website and it said they discontinued > selling and supporting the D Control though. I’ll check and see if I can find > any info about this board. > Katie >> On Nov 5, 2015, at 10:02 PM, 'Hi' via Pro Tools Accessibility >> wrote: >> >> Hi Katie, I've been using multiple surfaces over the years and for the >> investment I don't think the C24 is worth anything over the current Ebay >> price which is between 3000 and 4500 used depending on the condition. >> Certainly if you were going to spend anything near 10,000 the better bet >> would be a D|control. We got rid of 3 C24's which were all in good condition >> for $3500. You can find one around that price if you keep searching. I use >> both the D-control and D|command and I see the D|control on Ebay all of the >> time for around $10,000. There's one right now with the X-mon and surround >> panner for that price in NY and one just sold in California for 11,000 >> including a hard wired patch bay. The board is bigger than the C-24 but it >> has a dedicated EQ and compression section plus it's very tactile. There are >> buttons and nobs for everything including PT shortcuts so you'll almost >> never use the actual qwerty keyboard other than typing names for tracks and >> inputting text. It's fully customizable and you can program soft keys to do >> just about everything. If the state will spring for it I would go for it >> over an S3. I've used an S3 2 weeks ago and I'm not very familiar with it so >> I can't say anything other than it doesn't do as much and is a much smaller >> surface footprint. I personally like large faders that feel like a big board >> which neither the C|24 or S3 have. If you're going by feel there's a large >> difference and that will become vital if you're working on the board many >> hours a day. I've also used a D|command quite a bit and feel it lacks in >> comparison in terms of options and also only has 2 rotary pots per channel >> as opposed to 6. These are both older boards so nobody really knows the >> shelf life but I don't see it becoming completely extinct at least for a few >> years. There are 2 versions of the D|command and D|control and the oldest is >> the blue version of both. The X-mon that they both can be used with will >> take care of any monitoring paths including talk back. It's one of those >> things where if you can get it paid for you'll never go back to something >> that doesn't have the feel of an actual board. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] Pro Tools Dock and s3
The D-control has been discontinued and is no longer supported on newer PT systems. As Slau said previously, even with the C24, problem with investing in it at this time, is that we don't kno how long till Avid stops supporting it. Personally if I were to invest in a control serfice at this point, I won't even considder the C24 simply because Avid could decide to pull the plug on it any day. At this point go S3 or if you have deep pockets, S6. Sent from my iPhone > On 06 Nov 2015, at 10:09, Katie Zodrow wrote: > > Hi. Thanks for the info about the D Control. I’ve never heard of this control > surface before. I looked on Avid’s website and it said they discontinued > selling and supporting the D Control though. I’ll check and see if I can find > any info about this board. > Katie >> On Nov 5, 2015, at 10:02 PM, 'Hi' via Pro Tools Accessibility >> wrote: >> >> Hi Katie, I've been using multiple surfaces over the years and for the >> investment I don't think the C24 is worth anything over the current Ebay >> price which is between 3000 and 4500 used depending on the condition. >> Certainly if you were going to spend anything near 10,000 the better bet >> would be a D|control. We got rid of 3 C24's which were all in good condition >> for $3500. You can find one around that price if you keep searching. I use >> both the D-control and D|command and I see the D|control on Ebay all of the >> time for around $10,000. There's one right now with the X-mon and surround >> panner for that price in NY and one just sold in California for 11,000 >> including a hard wired patch bay. The board is bigger than the C-24 but it >> has a dedicated EQ and compression section plus it's very tactile. There are >> buttons and nobs for everything including PT shortcuts so you'll almost >> never use the actual qwerty keyboard other than typing names for tracks and >> inputting text. It's fully customizable and you can program soft keys to do >> just about everything. If the state will spring for it I would go for it >> over an S3. I've used an S3 2 weeks ago and I'm not very familiar with it so >> I can't say anything other than it doesn't do as much and is a much smaller >> surface footprint. I personally like large faders that feel like a big board >> which neither the C|24 or S3 have. If you're going by feel there's a large >> difference and that will become vital if you're working on the board many >> hours a day. I've also used a D|command quite a bit and feel it lacks in >> comparison in terms of options and also only has 2 rotary pots per channel >> as opposed to 6. These are both older boards so nobody really knows the >> shelf life but I don't see it becoming completely extinct at least for a few >> years. There are 2 versions of the D|command and D|control and the oldest is >> the blue version of both. The X-mon that they both can be used with will >> take care of any monitoring paths including talk back. It's one of those >> things where if you can get it paid for you'll never go back to something >> that doesn't have the feel of an actual board. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] Pro Tools Dock and s3
Hi. Thanks for the info about the D Control. I’ve never heard of this control surface before. I looked on Avid’s website and it said they discontinued selling and supporting the D Control though. I’ll check and see if I can find any info about this board. Katie > On Nov 5, 2015, at 10:02 PM, 'Hi' via Pro Tools Accessibility > wrote: > > Hi Katie, I've been using multiple surfaces over the years and for the > investment I don't think the C24 is worth anything over the current Ebay > price which is between 3000 and 4500 used depending on the condition. > Certainly if you were going to spend anything near 10,000 the better bet > would be a D|control. We got rid of 3 C24's which were all in good condition > for $3500. You can find one around that price if you keep searching. I use > both the D-control and D|command and I see the D|control on Ebay all of the > time for around $10,000. There's one right now with the X-mon and surround > panner for that price in NY and one just sold in California for 11,000 > including a hard wired patch bay. The board is bigger than the C-24 but it > has a dedicated EQ and compression section plus it's very tactile. There are > buttons and nobs for everything including PT shortcuts so you'll almost never > use the actual qwerty keyboard other than typing names for tracks and > inputting text. It's fully customizable and you can program soft keys to do > just about everything. If the state will spring for it I would go for it over > an S3. I've used an S3 2 weeks ago and I'm not very familiar with it so I > can't say anything other than it doesn't do as much and is a much smaller > surface footprint. I personally like large faders that feel like a big board > which neither the C|24 or S3 have. If you're going by feel there's a large > difference and that will become vital if you're working on the board many > hours a day. I've also used a D|command quite a bit and feel it lacks in > comparison in terms of options and also only has 2 rotary pots per channel as > opposed to 6. These are both older boards so nobody really knows the shelf > life but I don't see it becoming completely extinct at least for a few years. > There are 2 versions of the D|command and D|control and the oldest is the > blue version of both. The X-mon that they both can be used with will take > care of any monitoring paths including talk back. It's one of those things > where if you can get it paid for you'll never go back to something that > doesn't have the feel of an actual board. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] Pro Tools Dock and s3
Hi Katie, I've been using multiple surfaces over the years and for the investment I don't think the C24 is worth anything over the current Ebay price which is between 3000 and 4500 used depending on the condition. Certainly if you were going to spend anything near 10,000 the better bet would be a D|control. We got rid of 3 C24's which were all in good condition for $3500. You can find one around that price if you keep searching. I use both the D-control and D|command and I see the D|control on Ebay all of the time for around $10,000. There's one right now with the X-mon and surround panner for that price in NY and one just sold in California for 11,000 including a hard wired patch bay. The board is bigger than the C-24 but it has a dedicated EQ and compression section plus it's very tactile. There are buttons and nobs for everything including PT shortcuts so you'll almost never use the actual qwerty keyboard other than typing names for tracks and inputting text. It's fully customizable and you can program soft keys to do just about everything. If the state will spring for it I would go for it over an S3. I've used an S3 2 weeks ago and I'm not very familiar with it so I can't say anything other than it doesn't do as much and is a much smaller surface footprint. I personally like large faders that feel like a big board which neither the C|24 or S3 have. If you're going by feel there's a large difference and that will become vital if you're working on the board many hours a day. I've also used a D|command quite a bit and feel it lacks in comparison in terms of options and also only has 2 rotary pots per channel as opposed to 6. These are both older boards so nobody really knows the shelf life but I don't see it becoming completely extinct at least for a few years. There are 2 versions of the D|command and D|control and the oldest is the blue version of both. The X-mon that they both can be used with will take care of any monitoring paths including talk back. It's one of those things where if you can get it paid for you'll never go back to something that doesn't have the feel of an actual board. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] Pro Tools Dock and s3
Hi Katie, Just a quick note: if you're going with the C|24, you won't need any external transport or monitor control because that's built in to the surface. Just wanted to clarify in case anything I said might've sounded like something to the contrary. Best, Slau On Nov 2, 2015, at 1:14 PM, Katie Zodrow wrote: > Hi, Sean and Slau. Thanks for your info about the S3. I’m glad there’s a > couple blind PT users that have already liked using it so far and that it's > accessible. The workstation I’m getting is a ProTools HD system with the 8 x8 > x8 i/o interface. The monitors I’m getting are the JBL surround monitors and > sub woofer. I just want to make sure I get the right control surface for this > setup. Like I said, California Department of Rehab will be purchasing this > system for me. > I’ll look online and find out more info about the MC transport. Sean is that > the same as the Artist transport from Avid? > Thanks. > Katie >> On Nov 2, 2015, at 6:12 AM, Slau Halatyn wrote: >> >> Hi Sean, >> >> Yep, there are a number of options out there that fit the bill, depending on >> what the specific needs. It ends up being a sort of piece meal approach but, >> in that regard, one can highly customize their setup. Had I not been a >> Control|24 user at the outset, I'd probably be looking at an S3. That said, >> I could technically trade in the C|24 and move to the S6 but that's quite an >> investment so I'd have to be fully convinced that it would be worth it. >> We'll see where things stand in a few years. >> >> Best, >> >> Slau >> >> On Nov 2, 2015, at 12:13 AM, Sean A. Cummins wrote: >> >>> Hey Slau, >>> >>> That's the reason why I you the Avid Ensonic MC transport plus a preSonus >>> central station which has the built-in talk back as well. That covers all >>> of the issues you mentioned above. Of course, the I/O that one chooses is >>> completely an open field a personal choice. >>> >>> Take care, >>> >>> Sean >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> So forgive my brevity! >>> >>> On Nov 1, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: >>> >>> Hi Katie, >>> >>> The time I spent at AES with the S3 is hardly enough to make any conclusive >>> statement. I'd say the fact that Sean and perhaps a few others have used it >>> is more of a testament to its usability. BTW, yes, it does have the fader >>> flip mode as do all of the Avid surfaces. If you're mixing in surround, >>> you'd definitely need another interface to handle the multi-channel output. >>> Further, you'd need some sort of monitor controller to handle the routing >>> of those six channels to the speakers and the ability to switch between >>> stereo and surround. The C|24 has that built in. As far as preamps and >>> monitor switchers/controllers, you could spend anywhere from a thousand >>> dollars to many thousands, depending on your particular needs and the >>> available brands, etc. It's entirely possible that the S3 has at least some >>> facility for surround panning but I haven't looked into that at all. The >>> Dock probably only works with the Mac in so far as it likely has an >>> Ethernet connection to show up as an Ethernet controller in the preferences >>> window. Beyond that, its functionality in that regard would probably be >>> limited to transport and scrub/shuttle behavior, perhaps some soft key >>> function. I think it's truly meant for use with an iPad to take advantage >>> of its full potential. It does make me just a tiny bit wary of the >>> longevity of the iPad platform. That said, I'm certain that any supported >>> iPad model will likely outlive the Dock itself and, most likely, whatever >>> system is running Pro Tools. At best, any surface is only going to have a >>> lifespan of, say, 10 to 15 years. Probably most iPads will live that long >>> if they're dedicated to the Pro Tools Dock. By that time, one would >>> probably move onto whatever the new surface is. Keep in mind that the >>> Control|24 had a pretty long run (some 15 years) and still technically >>> works just fine with Pro Tools 10. blind users were essentially forced to >>> keep using their Control|24s because, when the C\24 was introduced, the >>> current version of Pro Tools at that time was not accessible. It would be >>> at least another few years before that would happen and a couple more than >>> that before it became a viable option for prime-time use. Now that we're at >>> that point, the purchase of a control surface becomes a major decision but >>> needs to also be considered in the context of the cost of doing business. >>> It's not much different than buying a van for your business and either >>> running it into the ground or selling it at some point and buying a new >>> one. Hey, there's always the option to lease as well, if you're into that >>> kind of thing. >>> >>> Getting back to the surround question, whether you're going with c|24 or >>> S3, you'll still need an interface to outpu
Re: [Bulk] [Bulk] Pro Tools Dock and s3
Hi, Sean and Slau. Thanks for your info about the S3. I’m glad there’s a couple blind PT users that have already liked using it so far and that it's accessible. The workstation I’m getting is a ProTools HD system with the 8 x8 x8 i/o interface. The monitors I’m getting are the JBL surround monitors and sub woofer. I just want to make sure I get the right control surface for this setup. Like I said, California Department of Rehab will be purchasing this system for me. I’ll look online and find out more info about the MC transport. Sean is that the same as the Artist transport from Avid? Thanks. Katie > On Nov 2, 2015, at 6:12 AM, Slau Halatyn wrote: > > Hi Sean, > > Yep, there are a number of options out there that fit the bill, depending on > what the specific needs. It ends up being a sort of piece meal approach but, > in that regard, one can highly customize their setup. Had I not been a > Control|24 user at the outset, I'd probably be looking at an S3. That said, I > could technically trade in the C|24 and move to the S6 but that's quite an > investment so I'd have to be fully convinced that it would be worth it. We'll > see where things stand in a few years. > > Best, > > Slau > > On Nov 2, 2015, at 12:13 AM, Sean A. Cummins wrote: > >> Hey Slau, >> >> That's the reason why I you the Avid Ensonic MC transport plus a preSonus >> central station which has the built-in talk back as well. That covers all of >> the issues you mentioned above. Of course, the I/O that one chooses is >> completely an open field a personal choice. >> >> Take care, >> >> Sean >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> So forgive my brevity! >> >> On Nov 1, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: >> >> Hi Katie, >> >> The time I spent at AES with the S3 is hardly enough to make any conclusive >> statement. I'd say the fact that Sean and perhaps a few others have used it >> is more of a testament to its usability. BTW, yes, it does have the fader >> flip mode as do all of the Avid surfaces. If you're mixing in surround, >> you'd definitely need another interface to handle the multi-channel output. >> Further, you'd need some sort of monitor controller to handle the routing of >> those six channels to the speakers and the ability to switch between stereo >> and surround. The C|24 has that built in. As far as preamps and monitor >> switchers/controllers, you could spend anywhere from a thousand dollars to >> many thousands, depending on your particular needs and the available brands, >> etc. It's entirely possible that the S3 has at least some facility for >> surround panning but I haven't looked into that at all. The Dock probably >> only works with the Mac in so far as it likely has an Ethernet connection to >> show up as an Ethernet controller in the preferences window. Beyond that, >> its functionality in that regard would probably be limited to transport and >> scrub/shuttle behavior, perhaps some soft key function. I think it's truly >> meant for use with an iPad to take advantage of its full potential. It does >> make me just a tiny bit wary of the longevity of the iPad platform. That >> said, I'm certain that any supported iPad model will likely outlive the Dock >> itself and, most likely, whatever system is running Pro Tools. At best, any >> surface is only going to have a lifespan of, say, 10 to 15 years. Probably >> most iPads will live that long if they're dedicated to the Pro Tools Dock. >> By that time, one would probably move onto whatever the new surface is. Keep >> in mind that the Control|24 had a pretty long run (some 15 years) and still >> technically works just fine with Pro Tools 10. blind users were essentially >> forced to keep using their Control|24s because, when the C\24 was >> introduced, the current version of Pro Tools at that time was not >> accessible. It would be at least another few years before that would happen >> and a couple more than that before it became a viable option for prime-time >> use. Now that we're at that point, the purchase of a control surface becomes >> a major decision but needs to also be considered in the context of the cost >> of doing business. It's not much different than buying a van for your >> business and either running it into the ground or selling it at some point >> and buying a new one. Hey, there's always the option to lease as well, if >> you're into that kind of thing. >> >> Getting back to the surround question, whether you're going with c|24 or S3, >> you'll still need an interface to output 6 channels (or whatever format) of >> audio. It's going to be expensive. If you're only doing basic stereo and >> recording less than 5 tracks at a time, the S3 alone will suffice. It's that >> surround issue that makes for a costly solution. Probably the hardest thing >> to do is to define, very specifically, exactly what you think you'll need >> and decide which solution will work best for your situation. Where
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Hi, Is the Pro Tools Control app for iPad accessible with Voice Over? I don’t have an iPad, so I cannot check it myself. The just announced Avid Dock looks intgeresting, which works with this app. thx, Ronald Op 2 nov. 2015, om 15:12 heeft Slau Halatyn het volgende geschreven: > Hi Sean, > > Yep, there are a number of options out there that fit the bill, depending on > what the specific needs. It ends up being a sort of piece meal approach but, > in that regard, one can highly customize their setup. Had I not been a > Control|24 user at the outset, I'd probably be looking at an S3. That said, I > could technically trade in the C|24 and move to the S6 but that's quite an > investment so I'd have to be fully convinced that it would be worth it. We'll > see where things stand in a few years. > > Best, > > Slau > > On Nov 2, 2015, at 12:13 AM, Sean A. Cummins wrote: > >> Hey Slau, >> >> That's the reason why I you the Avid Ensonic MC transport plus a preSonus >> central station which has the built-in talk back as well. That covers all of >> the issues you mentioned above. Of course, the I/O that one chooses is >> completely an open field a personal choice. >> >> Take care, >> >> Sean >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> So forgive my brevity! >> >> On Nov 1, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: >> >> Hi Katie, >> >> The time I spent at AES with the S3 is hardly enough to make any conclusive >> statement. I'd say the fact that Sean and perhaps a few others have used it >> is more of a testament to its usability. BTW, yes, it does have the fader >> flip mode as do all of the Avid surfaces. If you're mixing in surround, >> you'd definitely need another interface to handle the multi-channel output. >> Further, you'd need some sort of monitor controller to handle the routing of >> those six channels to the speakers and the ability to switch between stereo >> and surround. The C|24 has that built in. As far as preamps and monitor >> switchers/controllers, you could spend anywhere from a thousand dollars to >> many thousands, depending on your particular needs and the available brands, >> etc. It's entirely possible that the S3 has at least some facility for >> surround panning but I haven't looked into that at all. The Dock probably >> only works with the Mac in so far as it likely has an Ethernet connection to >> show up as an Ethernet controller in the preferences window. Beyond that, >> its functionality in that regard would probably be limited to transport and >> scrub/shuttle behavior, perhaps some soft key function. I think it's truly >> meant for use with an iPad to take advantage of its full potential. It does >> make me just a tiny bit wary of the longevity of the iPad platform. That >> said, I'm certain that any supported iPad model will likely outlive the Dock >> itself and, most likely, whatever system is running Pro Tools. At best, any >> surface is only going to have a lifespan of, say, 10 to 15 years. Probably >> most iPads will live that long if they're dedicated to the Pro Tools Dock. >> By that time, one would probably move onto whatever the new surface is. Keep >> in mind that the Control|24 had a pretty long run (some 15 years) and still >> technically works just fine with Pro Tools 10. blind users were essentially >> forced to keep using their Control|24s because, when the C\24 was >> introduced, the current version of Pro Tools at that time was not >> accessible. It would be at least another few years before that would happen >> and a couple more than that before it became a viable option for prime-time >> use. Now that we're at that point, the purchase of a control surface becomes >> a major decision but needs to also be considered in the context of the cost >> of doing business. It's not much different than buying a van for your >> business and either running it into the ground or selling it at some point >> and buying a new one. Hey, there's always the option to lease as well, if >> you're into that kind of thing. >> >> Getting back to the surround question, whether you're going with c|24 or S3, >> you'll still need an interface to output 6 channels (or whatever format) of >> audio. It's going to be expensive. If you're only doing basic stereo and >> recording less than 5 tracks at a time, the S3 alone will suffice. It's that >> surround issue that makes for a costly solution. Probably the hardest thing >> to do is to define, very specifically, exactly what you think you'll need >> and decide which solution will work best for your situation. Wherever >> possible, I'll try to answer any questions I think I might have some answers >> for but a lot of the S3 aspect is still very new to me. I'll probably >> download the manual to start learning a bit more for future reference. >> >> Best, >> >> Slau >> >>> On Nov 1, 2015, at 10:03 PM, Katie Zodrow wrote: >>> >>> Hey Slau its Katie. >>> >>> Thanks for comparing both t
Re: [Bulk] Pro Tools Dock and s3
Hi Sean, Yep, there are a number of options out there that fit the bill, depending on what the specific needs. It ends up being a sort of piece meal approach but, in that regard, one can highly customize their setup. Had I not been a Control|24 user at the outset, I'd probably be looking at an S3. That said, I could technically trade in the C|24 and move to the S6 but that's quite an investment so I'd have to be fully convinced that it would be worth it. We'll see where things stand in a few years. Best, Slau On Nov 2, 2015, at 12:13 AM, Sean A. Cummins wrote: > Hey Slau, > > That's the reason why I you the Avid Ensonic MC transport plus a preSonus > central station which has the built-in talk back as well. That covers all of > the issues you mentioned above. Of course, the I/O that one chooses is > completely an open field a personal choice. > > Take care, > > Sean > > Sent from my iPhone > > So forgive my brevity! > > On Nov 1, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: > > Hi Katie, > > The time I spent at AES with the S3 is hardly enough to make any conclusive > statement. I'd say the fact that Sean and perhaps a few others have used it > is more of a testament to its usability. BTW, yes, it does have the fader > flip mode as do all of the Avid surfaces. If you're mixing in surround, you'd > definitely need another interface to handle the multi-channel output. > Further, you'd need some sort of monitor controller to handle the routing of > those six channels to the speakers and the ability to switch between stereo > and surround. The C|24 has that built in. As far as preamps and monitor > switchers/controllers, you could spend anywhere from a thousand dollars to > many thousands, depending on your particular needs and the available brands, > etc. It's entirely possible that the S3 has at least some facility for > surround panning but I haven't looked into that at all. The Dock probably > only works with the Mac in so far as it likely has an Ethernet connection to > show up as an Ethernet controller in the preferences window. Beyond that, its > functionality in that regard would probably be limited to transport and > scrub/shuttle behavior, perhaps some soft key function. I think it's truly > meant for use with an iPad to take advantage of its full potential. It does > make me just a tiny bit wary of the longevity of the iPad platform. That > said, I'm certain that any supported iPad model will likely outlive the Dock > itself and, most likely, whatever system is running Pro Tools. At best, any > surface is only going to have a lifespan of, say, 10 to 15 years. Probably > most iPads will live that long if they're dedicated to the Pro Tools Dock. By > that time, one would probably move onto whatever the new surface is. Keep in > mind that the Control|24 had a pretty long run (some 15 years) and still > technically works just fine with Pro Tools 10. blind users were essentially > forced to keep using their Control|24s because, when the C\24 was introduced, > the current version of Pro Tools at that time was not accessible. It would be > at least another few years before that would happen and a couple more than > that before it became a viable option for prime-time use. Now that we're at > that point, the purchase of a control surface becomes a major decision but > needs to also be considered in the context of the cost of doing business. > It's not much different than buying a van for your business and either > running it into the ground or selling it at some point and buying a new one. > Hey, there's always the option to lease as well, if you're into that kind of > thing. > > Getting back to the surround question, whether you're going with c|24 or S3, > you'll still need an interface to output 6 channels (or whatever format) of > audio. It's going to be expensive. If you're only doing basic stereo and > recording less than 5 tracks at a time, the S3 alone will suffice. It's that > surround issue that makes for a costly solution. Probably the hardest thing > to do is to define, very specifically, exactly what you think you'll need and > decide which solution will work best for your situation. Wherever possible, > I'll try to answer any questions I think I might have some answers for but a > lot of the S3 aspect is still very new to me. I'll probably download the > manual to start learning a bit more for future reference. > > Best, > > Slau > >> On Nov 1, 2015, at 10:03 PM, Katie Zodrow wrote: >> >> Hey Slau its Katie. >> >> Thanks for comparing both the S3 and C24 control surfaces. Now, I guess I’m >> not really sure which way to go either. It sounds like the C24 has >> everything already built in like for mic preamps, the monitor section so I >> can mix in 5.1 surround and the talk back mic and listen back features. If I >> get the new S3, I’d probably have to purchase additional mic preamps or >> other gear for mixing in surround.
Re: [Bulk] Pro Tools Dock and s3
Hey Slau, That's the reason why I you the Avid Ensonic MC transport plus a preSonus central station which has the built-in talk back as well. That covers all of the issues you mentioned above. Of course, the I/O that one chooses is completely an open field a personal choice. Take care, Sean Sent from my iPhone So forgive my brevity! On Nov 1, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: Hi Katie, The time I spent at AES with the S3 is hardly enough to make any conclusive statement. I'd say the fact that Sean and perhaps a few others have used it is more of a testament to its usability. BTW, yes, it does have the fader flip mode as do all of the Avid surfaces. If you're mixing in surround, you'd definitely need another interface to handle the multi-channel output. Further, you'd need some sort of monitor controller to handle the routing of those six channels to the speakers and the ability to switch between stereo and surround. The C|24 has that built in. As far as preamps and monitor switchers/controllers, you could spend anywhere from a thousand dollars to many thousands, depending on your particular needs and the available brands, etc. It's entirely possible that the S3 has at least some facility for surround panning but I haven't looked into that at all. The Dock probably only works with the Mac in so far as it likely has an Ethernet connection to show up as an Ethernet controller in the preferences window. Beyond that, its functionality in that regard would probably be limited to transport and scrub/shuttle behavior, perhaps some soft key function. I think it's truly meant for use with an iPad to take advantage of its full potential. It does make me just a tiny bit wary of the longevity of the iPad platform. That said, I'm certain that any supported iPad model will likely outlive the Dock itself and, most likely, whatever system is running Pro Tools. At best, any surface is only going to have a lifespan of, say, 10 to 15 years. Probably most iPads will live that long if they're dedicated to the Pro Tools Dock. By that time, one would probably move onto whatever the new surface is. Keep in mind that the Control|24 had a pretty long run (some 15 years) and still technically works just fine with Pro Tools 10. blind users were essentially forced to keep using their Control|24s because, when the C\24 was introduced, the current version of Pro Tools at that time was not accessible. It would be at least another few years before that would happen and a couple more than that before it became a viable option for prime-time use. Now that we're at that point, the purchase of a control surface becomes a major decision but needs to also be considered in the context of the cost of doing business. It's not much different than buying a van for your business and either running it into the ground or selling it at some point and buying a new one. Hey, there's always the option to lease as well, if you're into that kind of thing. Getting back to the surround question, whether you're going with c|24 or S3, you'll still need an interface to output 6 channels (or whatever format) of audio. It's going to be expensive. If you're only doing basic stereo and recording less than 5 tracks at a time, the S3 alone will suffice. It's that surround issue that makes for a costly solution. Probably the hardest thing to do is to define, very specifically, exactly what you think you'll need and decide which solution will work best for your situation. Wherever possible, I'll try to answer any questions I think I might have some answers for but a lot of the S3 aspect is still very new to me. I'll probably download the manual to start learning a bit more for future reference. Best, Slau > On Nov 1, 2015, at 10:03 PM, Katie Zodrow wrote: > > Hey Slau its Katie. > > Thanks for comparing both the S3 and C24 control surfaces. Now, I guess I’m > not really sure which way to go either. It sounds like the C24 has everything > already built in like for mic preamps, the monitor section so I can mix in > 5.1 surround and the talk back mic and listen back features. If I get the new > S3, I’d probably have to purchase additional mic preamps or other gear for > mixing in surround. Is that right? Just wondering if that would cost more > compared to if I wanted to get the C24 or not? > > Last week, I read some posts on the Avid community forums about control > surfaces. A lot of people that posted in 2012 and even last year agreed that > the C24 probably might be discontinued in a few years. Some people thought > this control surface was already discontinued because stores like Guitar > Center had stopped selling it. > > Does the S3 also have fader flip mode if I need to use it for adjusting plug > in parameters? Was navigating the S3 for you more difficult than the C24? The > dock sounds pretty cool. Does the new dock work only with the iPad or can you > use it with a Mac too? Thanks. >
Re: [Bulk] Pro Tools Dock and s3
Hi Katie, The time I spent at AES with the S3 is hardly enough to make any conclusive statement. I'd say the fact that Sean and perhaps a few others have used it is more of a testament to its usability. BTW, yes, it does have the fader flip mode as do all of the Avid surfaces. If you're mixing in surround, you'd definitely need another interface to handle the multi-channel output. Further, you'd need some sort of monitor controller to handle the routing of those six channels to the speakers and the ability to switch between stereo and surround. The C|24 has that built in. As far as preamps and monitor switchers/controllers, you could spend anywhere from a thousand dollars to many thousands, depending on your particular needs and the available brands, etc. It's entirely possible that the S3 has at least some facility for surround panning but I haven't looked into that at all. The Dock probably only works with the Mac in so far as it likely has an Ethernet connection to show up as an Ethernet controller in the preferences window. Beyond that, its functionality in that regard would probably be limited to transport and scrub/shuttle behavior, perhaps some soft key function. I think it's truly meant for use with an iPad to take advantage of its full potential. It does make me just a tiny bit wary of the longevity of the iPad platform. That said, I'm certain that any supported iPad model will likely outlive the Dock itself and, most likely, whatever system is running Pro Tools. At best, any surface is only going to have a lifespan of, say, 10 to 15 years. Probably most iPads will live that long if they're dedicated to the Pro Tools Dock. By that time, one would probably move onto whatever the new surface is. Keep in mind that the Control|24 had a pretty long run (some 15 years) and still technically works just fine with Pro Tools 10. blind users were essentially forced to keep using their Control|24s because, when the C\24 was introduced, the current version of Pro Tools at that time was not accessible. It would be at least another few years before that would happen and a couple more than that before it became a viable option for prime-time use. Now that we're at that point, the purchase of a control surface becomes a major decision but needs to also be considered in the context of the cost of doing business. It's not much different than buying a van for your business and either running it into the ground or selling it at some point and buying a new one. Hey, there's always the option to lease as well, if you're into that kind of thing. Getting back to the surround question, whether you're going with c|24 or S3, you'll still need an interface to output 6 channels (or whatever format) of audio. It's going to be expensive. If you're only doing basic stereo and recording less than 5 tracks at a time, the S3 alone will suffice. It's that surround issue that makes for a costly solution. Probably the hardest thing to do is to define, very specifically, exactly what you think you'll need and decide which solution will work best for your situation. Wherever possible, I'll try to answer any questions I think I might have some answers for but a lot of the S3 aspect is still very new to me. I'll probably download the manual to start learning a bit more for future reference. Best, Slau On Nov 1, 2015, at 10:03 PM, Katie Zodrow wrote: > Hey Slau its Katie. > > Thanks for comparing both the S3 and C24 control surfaces. Now, I guess I’m > not really sure which way to go either. It sounds like the C24 has everything > already built in like for mic preamps, the monitor section so I can mix in > 5.1 surround and the talk back mic and listen back features. If I get the new > S3, I’d probably have to purchase additional mic preamps or other gear for > mixing in surround. Is that right? Just wondering if that would cost more > compared to if I wanted to get the C24 or not? > > Last week, I read some posts on the Avid community forums about control > surfaces. A lot of people that posted in 2012 and even last year agreed that > the C24 probably might be discontinued in a few years. Some people thought > this control surface was already discontinued because stores like Guitar > Center had stopped selling it. > > Does the S3 also have fader flip mode if I need to use it for adjusting plug > in parameters? Was navigating the S3 for you more difficult than the C24? The > dock sounds pretty cool. Does the new dock work only with the iPad or can you > use it with a Mac too? Thanks. > > If you don’t mind, I can send your post comparing both control surfaces, and > the other info I got from Sean to Rick later today or Monday. > Thanks again for your help. > Katie >> On Nov 1, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: >> >> Hi Vinny, >> >> I don't remember where you got your Control|24. Sweetwater? At any rate, if >> you upgrade through them, you'll have to provide that seria
Re: [Bulk] Pro Tools Dock and s3
Hey Slau its Katie. Thanks for comparing both the S3 and C24 control surfaces. Now, I guess I’m not really sure which way to go either. It sounds like the C24 has everything already built in like for mic preamps, the monitor section so I can mix in 5.1 surround and the talk back mic and listen back features. If I get the new S3, I’d probably have to purchase additional mic preamps or other gear for mixing in surround. Is that right? Just wondering if that would cost more compared to if I wanted to get the C24 or not? Last week, I read some posts on the Avid community forums about control surfaces. A lot of people that posted in 2012 and even last year agreed that the C24 probably might be discontinued in a few years. Some people thought this control surface was already discontinued because stores like Guitar Center had stopped selling it. Does the S3 also have fader flip mode if I need to use it for adjusting plug in parameters? Was navigating the S3 for you more difficult than the C24? The dock sounds pretty cool. Does the new dock work only with the iPad or can you use it with a Mac too? Thanks. If you don’t mind, I can send your post comparing both control surfaces, and the other info I got from Sean to Rick later today or Monday. Thanks again for your help. Katie > On Nov 1, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: > > Hi Vinny, > > I don't remember where you got your Control|24. Sweetwater? At any rate, if > you upgrade through them, you'll have to provide that serial number and, > whereas it used to be that Avid provided an RA# with a prepaid shipping label > (although good luck finding an appropriate shipping box), they no longer > provide for shipping. technically, you're supposed to ship the unit back to > California. In reality, however, the Avid rep at Sweetwater said to either > donate the unit or recycle it. Frankly, I couldn't find anyone locally who > wanted it so I recycled at Best Buy and sent a copy of the receipt. > > Coming from the Control|24, it wasn't a tough call a year ago but, with the > S3 and new Dock, it's a toss up. > > Best, > > Slau > > On Nov 1, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Vinny Pedulla wrote: > >> Hi Slau, >> I really appreciate the thorough comparison you presented to us… >> A lot to consider, but at least it looks promising for us in the way of >> control surfaces. >> >> Thanks, >> Vinny >> Email: vinnypedu...@gmail.com >> >>> On Nov 1, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: >>> >>> while visiting with some folks at the Avid booths at AES, I had a chance to >>> check out the new Pro Tools Dock alongside the S3 surface. Clearly, the >>> Dock is meant as a companion to the S3 in its form factor and >>> functionality. I've never seen the Artist surfaces in person so I can't say >>> whether they share anything ergonomically so this is just from the >>> perspective of the S series. >>> >>> Clearly, the S series is the future as far as surfaces go in the Pro Tools >>> family of products. Surely, the Artist series is as well but only at a >>> lower price point. I got to spend some time with one of the designers and >>> he walked me through its features and workflow. To me, it seems to be as >>> equally accessible as the C|24 with some key differences. The introduction >>> of the Dock mitigates a couple of those differences but introduces a few >>> others. >>> >>> To start, the S3 is technically an interface with 4 inputs and 4 outputs. >>> For very basic recording, it's all you need to set up a Pro Tools system >>> with a surface. What it lacks, however, is a standard transport section and >>> scrub wheel. The transport isn't essential but it sometimes comes in >>> extremely handy as a time-saver and an absolute determinant of transport >>> status. The new Dock does include the standard transport controls along >>> with a proper scrub wheel with truly smooth operation. >>> >>> The C|24 has 24 faders as opposed to the S3's 16 faders. That's not a major >>> difference. The S3 has no mic preamps where the C|24 has 16 preamps plus a >>> 16-channel submixer. The C|24 also has a comprehensive monitoring and >>> talkback system which the S3 does not have. The C|24 is more of a >>> self-contained solution for a studio environment. While the S3 is certainly >>> meant for any control room, it assumes that one has other gear to >>> supplement its role as purely a surface with perhaps the capability of up >>> to 4 inputs and outputs and a basic stereo headphone send. If you're using >>> multiple pairs of monitors or a surround system, you'd need a dedicated >>> switcher and a separate talkback system or perhaps one of the offerings >>> from companies like Dangerous that have all of that functionality. >>> >>> Regarding the Dock, it's meant to utilize one of several iPad models. the >>> iPad sits in a cradle that has buttons oriented to complement some of the >>> on-screen areas of the Pro Tools Control app running on the iPad. I
