Re: complete control getting started
Hi, Thanks for the info, I’ll really have to give it a try again I think…. :) Best, John André On 06 Mar 2019, at 15:55, Slau Halatyn wrote: Not sure what you were trying to install or when you were trying it. The old service center web-based installation was not accessible but now everything is done through Native Access which is quite accessible. The NI controllers can be had for as little as ninety nine dollars and the encoder knobs give feedback about which parameters are being tweaked. With an umpteen thousand presets in Komplete Ultimate, I'd say it's quite accessible and there are over a hundred blind users currently. You might want to revisit the NI eco system. Best, Slau > On Mar 6, 2019, at 9:09 AM, John André Lium-Netland > wrote: > > Hi, > > I’m a little confused, as far as I know the NI KK plugin is not accessible > unless one buy or own a KK Keyboard controller, that is you have to buy a > separate master keyboard to have access to the plugin. If the plugin is not > compatible with VoiceOver, and one need to buy an extra dedicated expensive > master controller you otherwise would not buy, I would not call it an > accessible solution…. > > Also, I have not found the NI installers to be accessible. Of course, I have > not tried all of them, but it was hard to navigate and focus VoiceOver in the > main installer from NI. > > I really hope I’m wrong though…. > > Best, > John André > > > On 03 Mar 2019, at 16:34, Steve Matzura wrote: > > KK's level of native access (no pun intended) is definitely open to debate. > While many things can be done with it "out of the box" so to speak, some > cannot without the aid of the third-party programs Keyboard Maestro and Chi > Kim's VOCR. Basic installation and setup is accessible without them, but once > that's done, you'll definitely want these tools to perform customizations to > your rig. > > > Regarding adding Komplete Kontrol to a track, it's an instrument according to > Pro Tools, so you will create an instrument track and add it in the usual > way. From there, you will use the KK keyboard itself to accessibly choose and > edit sounds from your Kontakt library, as the KK plugin hosts other > instrument plugins for you. The way this is done is through the use of files > that contain data adhering to the Native Kontrol Standard (NKS) format > (https://www.native-instruments.com/en/specials/komplete/this-is-nks/). Many > manufacturers, including Arturia, Waves, Impact Soundworks, and Orange Tree > Samples, just to name a few, offer these files as a standard part of some of > their products, making them accessible to visually impaired users as never > before. Many other manufacturers, Korg and Spectrasonics for example, have > products for which an enterprising gentleman from an outfit called Freelance > Sound Labs has made NKS files available at extremely reasonable prices (on > the order of ten dollars US per package on average). Visit > http://www.freelancesoundlabs.com to see what he has on offer that may > interest you. > > > And that's just the beginning. Any Kontakt library you own that is not > NKS-capable can still be loaded into the KK plugin via the keyboard > controller by adding it to your local Komplete Kontrol database of known > sample libraries via the Komplete Kontrol standalone application, for which > you'll definitely need both Keyboard Maestro and VOCR (unless you have useful > vision, of course). > > > There's an email list and WhatsApp voice chat group for visually impaired > user support of all aspects of KK. Send a blank email message to > komplete-kontrol-access+subscr...@googlegroups.com to get onto the email > list. Send me (or probably half a dozen others on this list) your mobile > phone number to be added to the WhatsApp voice chat if interested. > > > Hope this helps, and of course I hope you get into Komplete Kontrol and enjoy > using it as much as we who own it do. > > > On 3/3/2019 12:27 AM, Steve Sparrow wrote: >> Hi guys. I’m very seriously thinking about purchasing complete control. I >> know there has been a lot of talk about this on the list, but i’ve not >> really taken a lot of notice of exactly how things are done. How easy is >> this to run, can someone give me a brief idea of what the process is for >> using it. Do you just insert it over an instrument track as you would with X >> band? i assume theres more to it than that. How accessible is it. >> >> Steve >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving ema
Re: complete control getting started
Not sure what you were trying to install or when you were trying it. The old service center web-based installation was not accessible but now everything is done through Native Access which is quite accessible. The NI controllers can be had for as little as ninety nine dollars and the encoder knobs give feedback about which parameters are being tweaked. With an umpteen thousand presets in Komplete Ultimate, I'd say it's quite accessible and there are over a hundred blind users currently. You might want to revisit the NI eco system. Best, Slau > On Mar 6, 2019, at 9:09 AM, John André Lium-Netland > wrote: > > Hi, > > I’m a little confused, as far as I know the NI KK plugin is not accessible > unless one buy or own a KK Keyboard controller, that is you have to buy a > separate master keyboard to have access to the plugin. If the plugin is not > compatible with VoiceOver, and one need to buy an extra dedicated expensive > master controller you otherwise would not buy, I would not call it an > accessible solution…. > > Also, I have not found the NI installers to be accessible. Of course, I have > not tried all of them, but it was hard to navigate and focus VoiceOver in the > main installer from NI. > > I really hope I’m wrong though…. > > Best, > John André > > > On 03 Mar 2019, at 16:34, Steve Matzura wrote: > > KK's level of native access (no pun intended) is definitely open to debate. > While many things can be done with it "out of the box" so to speak, some > cannot without the aid of the third-party programs Keyboard Maestro and Chi > Kim's VOCR. Basic installation and setup is accessible without them, but once > that's done, you'll definitely want these tools to perform customizations to > your rig. > > > Regarding adding Komplete Kontrol to a track, it's an instrument according to > Pro Tools, so you will create an instrument track and add it in the usual > way. From there, you will use the KK keyboard itself to accessibly choose and > edit sounds from your Kontakt library, as the KK plugin hosts other > instrument plugins for you. The way this is done is through the use of files > that contain data adhering to the Native Kontrol Standard (NKS) format > (https://www.native-instruments.com/en/specials/komplete/this-is-nks/). Many > manufacturers, including Arturia, Waves, Impact Soundworks, and Orange Tree > Samples, just to name a few, offer these files as a standard part of some of > their products, making them accessible to visually impaired users as never > before. Many other manufacturers, Korg and Spectrasonics for example, have > products for which an enterprising gentleman from an outfit called Freelance > Sound Labs has made NKS files available at extremely reasonable prices (on > the order of ten dollars US per package on average). Visit > http://www.freelancesoundlabs.com to see what he has on offer that may > interest you. > > > And that's just the beginning. Any Kontakt library you own that is not > NKS-capable can still be loaded into the KK plugin via the keyboard > controller by adding it to your local Komplete Kontrol database of known > sample libraries via the Komplete Kontrol standalone application, for which > you'll definitely need both Keyboard Maestro and VOCR (unless you have useful > vision, of course). > > > There's an email list and WhatsApp voice chat group for visually impaired > user support of all aspects of KK. Send a blank email message to > komplete-kontrol-access+subscr...@googlegroups.com to get onto the email > list. Send me (or probably half a dozen others on this list) your mobile > phone number to be added to the WhatsApp voice chat if interested. > > > Hope this helps, and of course I hope you get into Komplete Kontrol and enjoy > using it as much as we who own it do. > > > On 3/3/2019 12:27 AM, Steve Sparrow wrote: >> Hi guys. I’m very seriously thinking about purchasing complete control. I >> know there has been a lot of talk about this on the list, but i’ve not >> really taken a lot of notice of exactly how things are done. How easy is >> this to run, can someone give me a brief idea of what the process is for >> using it. Do you just insert it over an instrument track as you would with X >> band? i assume theres more to it than that. How accessible is it. >> >> Steve >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >
Re: complete control getting started
Hi, I’m a little confused, as far as I know the NI KK plugin is not accessible unless one buy or own a KK Keyboard controller, that is you have to buy a separate master keyboard to have access to the plugin. If the plugin is not compatible with VoiceOver, and one need to buy an extra dedicated expensive master controller you otherwise would not buy, I would not call it an accessible solution…. Also, I have not found the NI installers to be accessible. Of course, I have not tried all of them, but it was hard to navigate and focus VoiceOver in the main installer from NI. I really hope I’m wrong though…. Best, John André On 03 Mar 2019, at 16:34, Steve Matzura wrote: KK's level of native access (no pun intended) is definitely open to debate. While many things can be done with it "out of the box" so to speak, some cannot without the aid of the third-party programs Keyboard Maestro and Chi Kim's VOCR. Basic installation and setup is accessible without them, but once that's done, you'll definitely want these tools to perform customizations to your rig. Regarding adding Komplete Kontrol to a track, it's an instrument according to Pro Tools, so you will create an instrument track and add it in the usual way. From there, you will use the KK keyboard itself to accessibly choose and edit sounds from your Kontakt library, as the KK plugin hosts other instrument plugins for you. The way this is done is through the use of files that contain data adhering to the Native Kontrol Standard (NKS) format (https://www.native-instruments.com/en/specials/komplete/this-is-nks/). Many manufacturers, including Arturia, Waves, Impact Soundworks, and Orange Tree Samples, just to name a few, offer these files as a standard part of some of their products, making them accessible to visually impaired users as never before. Many other manufacturers, Korg and Spectrasonics for example, have products for which an enterprising gentleman from an outfit called Freelance Sound Labs has made NKS files available at extremely reasonable prices (on the order of ten dollars US per package on average). Visit http://www.freelancesoundlabs.com to see what he has on offer that may interest you. And that's just the beginning. Any Kontakt library you own that is not NKS-capable can still be loaded into the KK plugin via the keyboard controller by adding it to your local Komplete Kontrol database of known sample libraries via the Komplete Kontrol standalone application, for which you'll definitely need both Keyboard Maestro and VOCR (unless you have useful vision, of course). There's an email list and WhatsApp voice chat group for visually impaired user support of all aspects of KK. Send a blank email message to komplete-kontrol-access+subscr...@googlegroups.com to get onto the email list. Send me (or probably half a dozen others on this list) your mobile phone number to be added to the WhatsApp voice chat if interested. Hope this helps, and of course I hope you get into Komplete Kontrol and enjoy using it as much as we who own it do. On 3/3/2019 12:27 AM, Steve Sparrow wrote: > Hi guys. I’m very seriously thinking about purchasing complete control. I > know there has been a lot of talk about this on the list, but i’ve not really > taken a lot of notice of exactly how things are done. How easy is this to > run, can someone give me a brief idea of what the process is for using it. Do > you just insert it over an instrument track as you would with X band? i > assume theres more to it than that. How accessible is it. > > Steve > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: complete control getting started
Thanks Steve and Slau for a brief overview. That’s exactly what i was after for now. Steve > On 4 Mar 2019, at 1:55 am, Slau Halatyn wrote: > > Like a lot of things, it sort of depends on how much you want to put into it. > Komplete Kontrol offers an unparalleled level of access to virtual > instruments. It's a subject that is wide ranging in scope so I couldn't > possibly cover it here. There's a WhatsApp group, email list and Drop Box > associated with the community of blind KK users so there's a lot of support > there. Some people focus highly on KK and others use it as just another tool > in a larger shed. One can get into the environment with an investment of > anywhere from a few hundred dollars to a couple of thousand and then the > purchasing of third party libraries beyond that. It all depends on one's > needs. For blind users, it's the single most accessible portal into the > virtual instrument world. > HTH, > Slau > > >> On Mar 3, 2019, at 12:27 AM, Steve Sparrow wrote: >> >> Hi guys. I’m very seriously thinking about purchasing complete control. I >> know there has been a lot of talk about this on the list, but i’ve not >> really taken a lot of notice of exactly how things are done. How easy is >> this to run, can someone give me a brief idea of what the process is for >> using it. Do you just insert it over an instrument track as you would with X >> band? i assume theres more to it than that. How accessible is it. >> >> Steve >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: complete control getting started
Like a lot of things, it sort of depends on how much you want to put into it. Komplete Kontrol offers an unparalleled level of access to virtual instruments. It's a subject that is wide ranging in scope so I couldn't possibly cover it here. There's a WhatsApp group, email list and Drop Box associated with the community of blind KK users so there's a lot of support there. Some people focus highly on KK and others use it as just another tool in a larger shed. One can get into the environment with an investment of anywhere from a few hundred dollars to a couple of thousand and then the purchasing of third party libraries beyond that. It all depends on one's needs. For blind users, it's the single most accessible portal into the virtual instrument world. HTH, Slau > On Mar 3, 2019, at 12:27 AM, Steve Sparrow wrote: > > Hi guys. I’m very seriously thinking about purchasing complete control. I > know there has been a lot of talk about this on the list, but i’ve not really > taken a lot of notice of exactly how things are done. How easy is this to > run, can someone give me a brief idea of what the process is for using it. Do > you just insert it over an instrument track as you would with X band? i > assume theres more to it than that. How accessible is it. > > Steve > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: complete control getting started
KK's level of native access (no pun intended) is definitely open to debate. While many things can be done with it "out of the box" so to speak, some cannot without the aid of the third-party programs Keyboard Maestro and Chi Kim's VOCR. Basic installation and setup is accessible without them, but once that's done, you'll definitely want these tools to perform customizations to your rig. Regarding adding Komplete Kontrol to a track, it's an instrument according to Pro Tools, so you will create an instrument track and add it in the usual way. From there, you will use the KK keyboard itself to accessibly choose and edit sounds from your Kontakt library, as the KK plugin hosts other instrument plugins for you. The way this is done is through the use of files that contain data adhering to the Native Kontrol Standard (NKS) format (https://www.native-instruments.com/en/specials/komplete/this-is-nks/). Many manufacturers, including Arturia, Waves, Impact Soundworks, and Orange Tree Samples, just to name a few, offer these files as a standard part of some of their products, making them accessible to visually impaired users as never before. Many other manufacturers, Korg and Spectrasonics for example, have products for which an enterprising gentleman from an outfit called Freelance Sound Labs has made NKS files available at extremely reasonable prices (on the order of ten dollars US per package on average). Visit http://www.freelancesoundlabs.com to see what he has on offer that may interest you. And that's just the beginning. Any Kontakt library you own that is not NKS-capable can still be loaded into the KK plugin via the keyboard controller by adding it to your local Komplete Kontrol database of known sample libraries via the Komplete Kontrol standalone application, for which you'll definitely need both Keyboard Maestro and VOCR (unless you have useful vision, of course). There's an email list and WhatsApp voice chat group for visually impaired user support of all aspects of KK. Send a blank email message to komplete-kontrol-access+subscr...@googlegroups.com to get onto the email list. Send me (or probably half a dozen others on this list) your mobile phone number to be added to the WhatsApp voice chat if interested. Hope this helps, and of course I hope you get into Komplete Kontrol and enjoy using it as much as we who own it do. On 3/3/2019 12:27 AM, Steve Sparrow wrote: Hi guys. I’m very seriously thinking about purchasing complete control. I know there has been a lot of talk about this on the list, but i’ve not really taken a lot of notice of exactly how things are done. How easy is this to run, can someone give me a brief idea of what the process is for using it. Do you just insert it over an instrument track as you would with X band? i assume theres more to it than that. How accessible is it. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
complete control getting started
Hi guys. I’m very seriously thinking about purchasing complete control. I know there has been a lot of talk about this on the list, but i’ve not really taken a lot of notice of exactly how things are done. How easy is this to run, can someone give me a brief idea of what the process is for using it. Do you just insert it over an instrument track as you would with X band? i assume theres more to it than that. How accessible is it. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Complete Control
Heya guys, I read that there's also a complete Control dropbox folder - is it possible to get access to it too? If so, I'd like to ask if you could add me to it. My e-mail address: nico.be...@gmx.de <mailto:nico.be...@gmx.de> All the best, Nico. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: NI Complete control
Hi again, I solved the issue. There was something wrong with the download. Best Stefan Von meinem iPhone gesendet > Am 10.01.2017 um 14:56 schrieb Slau Halatyn <slauhala...@gmail.com>: > > Hi Martin, > You probably have no idea how complicated an answer this ends up being. LOL > First, The new Native Access application (used to register and download > products) replaced the old Service Center application which was completely > inaccessible. that said, the new Native Access application is only mildly > accessible. While it's possible to register and install products, you'll > undoubtedly have a much easier time with sighted assistance, no question. > Eventually, you'll want to learn how to use Native Access so it's not a bad > idea to jump right in but be prepared for a bunch of head scratching while > you stumble around the interface. > > I'd highly recommend joining the Komplete Kontrol Roger group where there > are dozens of users sharing tips and tricks and offering help in general. > You'll need to download the Roger app either on your iPhone or Android device > and then join at: > https://rogertalk.com/group/VMuUVBcIzUok > Again, if you're planning on diving into the Komplete Kontrol environment, do > yourself a favor and get up to speed on Roger and join the group. There are a > bunch of Windows users there too but it's equally Mac-based. > > Hope that helps, > Slau > > > >> On Jan 9, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Martin (Punky) Sopart <m...@cakewalker.de> wrote: >> >> Hi all! >> >> When buying one of the NI complete control keyboards and an update to the >> complete control library software... >> >> Is the whole process accessible for blind users or do I need sighted >> assistance? >> >> Thanks and best! / Martin >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: NI Complete control
Hi Slau, This app (roger) seams to be completely unaccessible. What did you see, when you launched the app for the first time? Best Stefan meinem iPhone gesendet > Am 10.01.2017 um 14:56 schrieb Slau Halatyn <slauhala...@gmail.com>: > > Hi Martin, > You probably have no idea how complicated an answer this ends up being. LOL > First, The new Native Access application (used to register and download > products) replaced the old Service Center application which was completely > inaccessible. that said, the new Native Access application is only mildly > accessible. While it's possible to register and install products, you'll > undoubtedly have a much easier time with sighted assistance, no question. > Eventually, you'll want to learn how to use Native Access so it's not a bad > idea to jump right in but be prepared for a bunch of head scratching while > you stumble around the interface. > > I'd highly recommend joining the Komplete Kontrol Roger group where there > are dozens of users sharing tips and tricks and offering help in general. > You'll need to download the Roger app either on your iPhone or Android device > and then join at: > https://rogertalk.com/group/VMuUVBcIzUok > Again, if you're planning on diving into the Komplete Kontrol environment, do > yourself a favor and get up to speed on Roger and join the group. There are a > bunch of Windows users there too but it's equally Mac-based. > > Hope that helps, > Slau > > > >> On Jan 9, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Martin (Punky) Sopart <m...@cakewalker.de> wrote: >> >> Hi all! >> >> When buying one of the NI complete control keyboards and an update to the >> complete control library software... >> >> Is the whole process accessible for blind users or do I need sighted >> assistance? >> >> Thanks and best! / Martin >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
NI Complete control
Hi all! When buying one of the NI complete control keyboards and an update to the complete control library software... Is the whole process accessible for blind users or do I need sighted assistance? Thanks and best! / Martin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
