Re: PT vs PT HD
Another difference is that HD is 192 KHZ, but some say that it doesn't make a difference when it comes to commercial music. - Original Message - From: Slau Halatyn To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 11:17 AM Subject: Re: PT vs PT HD Hi Jon, Tracking with compression, at least in plug-in form, would be helpful to control dynamics. Especially when working with more than one vocalist, people usually track each other much better when they hear a more even level of signal. Sometimes we call that railroad, that is, when people's harmonies lock together like railroad tracks because the blend is so solid. Compression, in this case, is supremely helpful. True, in plug-in form, the compression will not affect the original recording. It is possible, however, to apply compressor to a track and route to a bus and then another track. The second track would have the compression recorded. Then, of course, you're looking at more latency. The analog domain still rules for certain things, eh? Slau On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Jon Solitro wrote: Makes sense. This topic is slowly morphing….another question….how is tracking with compression helpful? It's all after the fact if you're using a plugin compressor right? the audio will still clip? On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Poppa Bear heavens4r...@gmail.com wrote: Yeh, I myself track with reverb and compression. The reverb does often help inspire the performer and the compression helps me to get an idea of what a mixed down product will feel like. Message - From: Jon Solitro To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:14 AM Subject: PT vs PT HD What have people found are the benefits of going HD? Are they worthwhile? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/ptaccess/HE4W4Z9P0iw/unsubscribe?hl=en. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
PT vs PT HD
What have people found are the benefits of going HD? Are they worthwhile? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: PT vs PT HD
Hi Jon, For my self its one word! LATENCY :) YMMV CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com 954-742-0019 GUFFAWING :) In GOD I Trust On Apr 5, 2013, at 11:14 AM, Jon Solitro wrote: What have people found are the benefits of going HD? Are they worthwhile? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: PT vs PT HD
Yeah thats what I was thinking. I have a quad core Mac pro which seems to handle anything. What is the benefit of tracking with plug ins? Can I mix in surround without HD? Sent from my phone On Apr 5, 2013, at 11:57 AM, Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jon, Aside from 0 latency, HD systems include all of the extra options that the expanded toolkits provide. These days, I'm not even sure what that includes. HD Native systems also have 0 latency because of the routing the card provides. That 0 latency is also possible on Apogee's Symphony cards. I'm not sure if any other systems out there provide that. I know UA is probably either already doing that or close to it. You mentioned that latency isn't exactly an issue for you. With Low latency mode on host-based systems, of course, one can monitor at close to 0 latency but without real-time plug-in performance. Things will undoubtedly get there with Thunderbolt in time. Frankly, I think Avid will eventually drop HD when it gets to that point. For now, it's tough to swallow thousand-dollar upgrades with HD. I don't think Avid would survive another such upgrade. We'll see… Slau On Apr 5, 2013, at 11:14 AM, Jon Solitro wrote: What have people found are the benefits of going HD? Are they worthwhile? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/ptaccess/HE4W4Z9P0iw/unsubscribe?hl=en. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: PT vs PT HD
Yeh, I myself track with reverb and compression. The reverb does often help inspire the performer and the compression helps me to get an idea of what a mixed down product will feel like. Message - From: Jon Solitro To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:14 AM Subject: PT vs PT HD What have people found are the benefits of going HD? Are they worthwhile? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: PT vs PT HD
Makes sense. This topic is slowly morphing….another question….how is tracking with compression helpful? It's all after the fact if you're using a plugin compressor right? the audio will still clip? On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Poppa Bear heavens4r...@gmail.com wrote: Yeh, I myself track with reverb and compression. The reverb does often help inspire the performer and the compression helps me to get an idea of what a mixed down product will feel like. Message - From: Jon Solitro To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:14 AM Subject: PT vs PT HD What have people found are the benefits of going HD? Are they worthwhile? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/ptaccess/HE4W4Z9P0iw/unsubscribe?hl=en. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: PT vs PT HD
i never thought of tracking like that with plug in comp. will try that today slau. very interesting On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jon, Tracking with compression, at least in plug-in form, would be helpful to control dynamics. Especially when working with more than one vocalist, people usually track each other much better when they hear a more even level of signal. Sometimes we call that railroad, that is, when people's harmonies lock together like railroad tracks because the blend is so solid. Compression, in this case, is supremely helpful. True, in plug-in form, the compression will not affect the original recording. It is possible, however, to apply compressor to a track and route to a bus and then another track. The second track would have the compression recorded. Then, of course, you're looking at more latency. The analog domain still rules for certain things, eh? Slau On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Jon Solitro wrote: Makes sense. This topic is slowly morphing….another question….how is tracking with compression helpful? It's all after the fact if you're using a plugin compressor right? the audio will still clip? On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Poppa Bear heavens4r...@gmail.com wrote: Yeh, I myself track with reverb and compression. The reverb does often help inspire the performer and the compression helps me to get an idea of what a mixed down product will feel like. Message - From: Jon Solitro To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:14 AM Subject: PT vs PT HD What have people found are the benefits of going HD? Are they worthwhile? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/ptaccess/HE4W4Z9P0iw/unsubscribe?hl=en. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: PT vs PT HD
Ok, so I'm confused. What's the difference between HD and HD Native? I thought Native meant it uses the computer's processors just like regular Pro Tools. And the benefit to HD was the outboard processing cards. On Apr 5, 2013, at 3:17 PM, Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jon, Tracking with compression, at least in plug-in form, would be helpful to control dynamics. Especially when working with more than one vocalist, people usually track each other much better when they hear a more even level of signal. Sometimes we call that railroad, that is, when people's harmonies lock together like railroad tracks because the blend is so solid. Compression, in this case, is supremely helpful. True, in plug-in form, the compression will not affect the original recording. It is possible, however, to apply compressor to a track and route to a bus and then another track. The second track would have the compression recorded. Then, of course, you're looking at more latency. The analog domain still rules for certain things, eh? Slau On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Jon Solitro wrote: Makes sense. This topic is slowly morphing….another question….how is tracking with compression helpful? It's all after the fact if you're using a plugin compressor right? the audio will still clip? On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Poppa Bear heavens4r...@gmail.com wrote: Yeh, I myself track with reverb and compression. The reverb does often help inspire the performer and the compression helps me to get an idea of what a mixed down product will feel like. Message - From: Jon Solitro To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:14 AM Subject: PT vs PT HD What have people found are the benefits of going HD? Are they worthwhile? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/ptaccess/HE4W4Z9P0iw/unsubscribe?hl=en. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/ptaccess/HE4W4Z9P0iw/unsubscribe?hl=en. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: PT vs PT HD
I cannot wait to try this with my ProTools demo. Since I've had this board I have had very little clipping at all. Doing this from my Board is very easy. It has built in compression and reverb. I can track with reverb or compression and not printed it Ricky Prevatte LMBT 1154 http://www.rickyprevattemassage.com On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Jon Solitro jon.soli...@gmail.com wrote: Makes sense. This topic is slowly morphing….another question….how is tracking with compression helpful? It's all after the fact if you're using a plugin compressor right? the audio will still clip? On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Poppa Bear heavens4r...@gmail.com wrote: Yeh, I myself track with reverb and compression. The reverb does often help inspire the performer and the compression helps me to get an idea of what a mixed down product will feel like. Message - From: Jon Solitro To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:14 AM Subject: PT vs PT HD What have people found are the benefits of going HD? Are they worthwhile? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/ptaccess/HE4W4Z9P0iw/unsubscribe?hl=en. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: PT vs PT HD
That's how some cats were using Pro Tools back in the days before I solved the metering problem. Insertion of limiter plug-in and recording to another track. Again, there's latency but only a little. On HD systems, it's hardly detectable. Slau On Apr 5, 2013, at 3:29 PM, byron harden wrote: i never thought of tracking like that with plug in comp. will try that today slau. very interesting On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jon, Tracking with compression, at least in plug-in form, would be helpful to control dynamics. Especially when working with more than one vocalist, people usually track each other much better when they hear a more even level of signal. Sometimes we call that railroad, that is, when people's harmonies lock together like railroad tracks because the blend is so solid. Compression, in this case, is supremely helpful. True, in plug-in form, the compression will not affect the original recording. It is possible, however, to apply compressor to a track and route to a bus and then another track. The second track would have the compression recorded. Then, of course, you're looking at more latency. The analog domain still rules for certain things, eh? Slau On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Jon Solitro wrote: Makes sense. This topic is slowly morphing….another question….how is tracking with compression helpful? It's all after the fact if you're using a plugin compressor right? the audio will still clip? On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Poppa Bear heavens4r...@gmail.com wrote: Yeh, I myself track with reverb and compression. The reverb does often help inspire the performer and the compression helps me to get an idea of what a mixed down product will feel like. Message - From: Jon Solitro To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:14 AM Subject: PT vs PT HD What have people found are the benefits of going HD? Are they worthwhile? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/ptaccess/HE4W4Z9P0iw/unsubscribe?hl=en. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: PT vs PT HD
You're partly correct. HD Native does use native processing but it still uses a card for 0 latency routing. The interfaces still connect to a PCI card. Only the plug-in processing is handled by the host CPU while routing is handled by the card. HTH, Slau On Apr 5, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Jon Solitro wrote: Ok, so I'm confused. What's the difference between HD and HD Native? I thought Native meant it uses the computer's processors just like regular Pro Tools. And the benefit to HD was the outboard processing cards. On Apr 5, 2013, at 3:17 PM, Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jon, Tracking with compression, at least in plug-in form, would be helpful to control dynamics. Especially when working with more than one vocalist, people usually track each other much better when they hear a more even level of signal. Sometimes we call that railroad, that is, when people's harmonies lock together like railroad tracks because the blend is so solid. Compression, in this case, is supremely helpful. True, in plug-in form, the compression will not affect the original recording. It is possible, however, to apply compressor to a track and route to a bus and then another track. The second track would have the compression recorded. Then, of course, you're looking at more latency. The analog domain still rules for certain things, eh? Slau On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Jon Solitro wrote: Makes sense. This topic is slowly morphing….another question….how is tracking with compression helpful? It's all after the fact if you're using a plugin compressor right? the audio will still clip? On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Poppa Bear heavens4r...@gmail.com wrote: Yeh, I myself track with reverb and compression. The reverb does often help inspire the performer and the compression helps me to get an idea of what a mixed down product will feel like. Message - From: Jon Solitro To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:14 AM Subject: PT vs PT HD What have people found are the benefits of going HD? Are they worthwhile? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/ptaccess/HE4W4Z9P0iw/unsubscribe?hl=en. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/ptaccess/HE4W4Z9P0iw/unsubscribe?hl=en. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
