Re: Avid S3 or C24 control surface?

[Jed Barton]

hey guys, so can you tell me a bit about the s3?  I am going to be 
getting protools, and this is my biggest deciding factor.
What i will be doing with protools, some radio production, and some 
basic music mixing.  In my past with digital editing, i've always found 
it really useful to have a scrub wheel.  Obviously i need a somewhat 
good control surface, but can't afford 5 grand to get it.  Any middle of 
the road solutions that will cover a lot of the basics such as editing, 
faiders and all that?

Will this s3 do the job?

On 10/29/2015 11:13 AM, Sean A. Cummins wrote:

Hi Slau and Katie,

I have the S3, and the performance with Pro Tools 12 is very tight, and
deeply integrated.  .  I also use the Euphonic MC Transport with the S3
which provides an incredible amount of options for controlling Pro Tools.
Coincidentally, this weekend, I am starting the training with a client on
his workstation my company had configured using the S3 and MC Transport with
Pro Tools 12.

For years I have been recommending and using several differing control
surfaces with VR clients that my company serve, and I firmly believe this is
the future for all DAW programs with regard to the use of EuCon protocol.
Hopefully, EuCon will provide a protocol that will allow for people such as
Tim Burgess, to refine his Surface Reader that can one day support a
comprehensive solution.  This will enable us to work more directly with the
DAW software, and eliminate the loss of access when scripts, operating
systems and DAW software shifts direction.  Standardizing a communication
platform between software and devices, will enable speech output to provide
clear and succinct verbalization that can even be customized by the
individual user.

Slau, I think you will be very pleased by what you see and hear about the S3
at AES.  Talk with the Avid folks about EuCon, and where it's heading.  And
by the way, Unbeknownst to most, EuCon has been implemented in most all of
the major DAW software's; even going back as far as Sonar Producer 8.

Take Care,

Sean
seanacumm...@gmail.com
(928) 301-0518


-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Slau Halatyn
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 3:34 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Avid S3 or C24 control surface?

Hi Katie,

I know of no blind users with an s3 yet. To be certain, the C|24 is fully
supported and is very accessible but undoubtedly much further along in its
life cycle. It's clearly still supported and will probably be supported for
a few more years but I'd say that 5 years is perhaps pushing it a bit. I'm
not sure. In addition, the s3 is half the price but, as you pointed out,
doesn't necessarily have all of the same features that come in so handy with
the C|24. I'll be at AES this week and will have a chance to take a closer
look at the S3 and, since I have a C|24, might be able to compare/contrast
the two. I'll see if I can paint a fuller picture by next week.

Best,

Slau

On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Katie Zodrow <kzodrow...@att.net> wrote:


Hi, everyone. Sorry this email is under Ashley Cox's name, I'm not sure

why this happened when I put in PT Accessibility in the to field. I'll try
to delete that next time I email the list.


I haven't emailed this list in a long time, but I have a question about

control surfaces. I'm currently working at Rick Boggs' studio Audio Eyes
part-time as an audio engineer. We do postproduction work producing video
description. I'll be going full time by next year and will be getting my own
digital audio workstation so I can work remotely from home or at the studio.
I reopened my case with DOR in California, and they will be purchasing this
system for me. I was planning to get the C24 control surface since that's
what we have at the studio, and I'm really familiar with this board. But I
was browsing on Google a couple weeks ago and last night too. I found
information about another control surface made by Avid. I think it was
introduced earlier this year or last year. Its called the Avid S3 control
surface. Have any of you guys used this before, and do you know if this is
accessible with Voiceover? I've never seen the S3 control surface. I've used
the C24 at the studio many times, so I'm very familiar with using that
board.


I know Rick told me if I get the C24, I would have to purchase a separate

desk for the console. I know the S3 is a much smaller control surface
compared to the C24, but I wasn't sure which one would be the best option
for me to use with ProTools. Does the S3 come with its own desk, or do you
need to purchase it separately?


I've heard the S3 is EUCON enabled which is cool, so you can use this with

other applications besides ProTools like Logic or Digital Performer. This
board has 16 channels you can work with instead of 24. I'm not sure though
if the S3 has a lot of analog controls like the C24 or not. I've read that
the S3 doesn't have a lot of audio e

RE: Avid S3 or C24 control surface?

[Sean A. Cummins]

Hi Slau and Katie,

I have the S3, and the performance with Pro Tools 12 is very tight, and
deeply integrated.  .  I also use the Euphonic MC Transport with the S3
which provides an incredible amount of options for controlling Pro Tools.
Coincidentally, this weekend, I am starting the training with a client on
his workstation my company had configured using the S3 and MC Transport with
Pro Tools 12.

For years I have been recommending and using several differing control
surfaces with VR clients that my company serve, and I firmly believe this is
the future for all DAW programs with regard to the use of EuCon protocol.
Hopefully, EuCon will provide a protocol that will allow for people such as
Tim Burgess, to refine his Surface Reader that can one day support a
comprehensive solution.  This will enable us to work more directly with the
DAW software, and eliminate the loss of access when scripts, operating
systems and DAW software shifts direction.  Standardizing a communication
platform between software and devices, will enable speech output to provide
clear and succinct verbalization that can even be customized by the
individual user.

Slau, I think you will be very pleased by what you see and hear about the S3
at AES.  Talk with the Avid folks about EuCon, and where it's heading.  And
by the way, Unbeknownst to most, EuCon has been implemented in most all of
the major DAW software's; even going back as far as Sonar Producer 8.

Take Care,
 
Sean
seanacumm...@gmail.com
(928) 301-0518 
 

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Slau Halatyn
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 3:34 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Avid S3 or C24 control surface?

Hi Katie,

I know of no blind users with an s3 yet. To be certain, the C|24 is fully
supported and is very accessible but undoubtedly much further along in its
life cycle. It's clearly still supported and will probably be supported for
a few more years but I'd say that 5 years is perhaps pushing it a bit. I'm
not sure. In addition, the s3 is half the price but, as you pointed out,
doesn't necessarily have all of the same features that come in so handy with
the C|24. I'll be at AES this week and will have a chance to take a closer
look at the S3 and, since I have a C|24, might be able to compare/contrast
the two. I'll see if I can paint a fuller picture by next week.

Best,

Slau

On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Katie Zodrow <kzodrow...@att.net> wrote:

> Hi, everyone. Sorry this email is under Ashley Cox's name, I'm not sure
why this happened when I put in PT Accessibility in the to field. I'll try
to delete that next time I email the list. 
> 
> I haven't emailed this list in a long time, but I have a question about
control surfaces. I'm currently working at Rick Boggs' studio Audio Eyes
part-time as an audio engineer. We do postproduction work producing video
description. I'll be going full time by next year and will be getting my own
digital audio workstation so I can work remotely from home or at the studio.
I reopened my case with DOR in California, and they will be purchasing this
system for me. I was planning to get the C24 control surface since that's
what we have at the studio, and I'm really familiar with this board. But I
was browsing on Google a couple weeks ago and last night too. I found
information about another control surface made by Avid. I think it was
introduced earlier this year or last year. Its called the Avid S3 control
surface. Have any of you guys used this before, and do you know if this is
accessible with Voiceover? I've never seen the S3 control surface. I've used
the C24 at the studio many times, so I'm very familiar with using that
board.
> 
> I know Rick told me if I get the C24, I would have to purchase a separate
desk for the console. I know the S3 is a much smaller control surface
compared to the C24, but I wasn't sure which one would be the best option
for me to use with ProTools. Does the S3 come with its own desk, or do you
need to purchase it separately?
> 
> I've heard the S3 is EUCON enabled which is cool, so you can use this with
other applications besides ProTools like Logic or Digital Performer. This
board has 16 channels you can work with instead of 24. I'm not sure though
if the S3 has a lot of analog controls like the C24 or not. I've read that
the S3 doesn't have a lot of audio editing functions though, so I think I'd
have to get the Artist Transport to use for editing and recording. I like
that the C24 includes the transport controls as well as the jog wheel, and
the scrub and shuttle modes all in one unit. Is the Artist Transport a good
device to use for editing?
> 
> 
> Let me know what you guys think. I'd like to get a control surface I can
use and that's still supported by Avid for at least five years or longer.
Should I go with the C24, or the Avid S3?
> Thanks.
> Katie
> 
> --
> Y

Re: Avid S3 or C24 control surface?

[Slau Halatyn]

Hi Jed,

The S3 costs $5,000. The Artist series is considerably less expensive and you 
might want to check that out. There's at least one person using it and loves it.

Slau

On Oct 29, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Jed Barton <jedbar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> hey guys, so can you tell me a bit about the s3?  I am going to be getting 
> protools, and this is my biggest deciding factor.
> What i will be doing with protools, some radio production, and some basic 
> music mixing.  In my past with digital editing, i've always found it really 
> useful to have a scrub wheel.  Obviously i need a somewhat good control 
> surface, but can't afford 5 grand to get it.  Any middle of the road 
> solutions that will cover a lot of the basics such as editing, faiders and 
> all that?
> Will this s3 do the job?
> 
> On 10/29/2015 11:13 AM, Sean A. Cummins wrote:
>> Hi Slau and Katie,
>> 
>> I have the S3, and the performance with Pro Tools 12 is very tight, and
>> deeply integrated.  .  I also use the Euphonic MC Transport with the S3
>> which provides an incredible amount of options for controlling Pro Tools.
>> Coincidentally, this weekend, I am starting the training with a client on
>> his workstation my company had configured using the S3 and MC Transport with
>> Pro Tools 12.
>> 
>> For years I have been recommending and using several differing control
>> surfaces with VR clients that my company serve, and I firmly believe this is
>> the future for all DAW programs with regard to the use of EuCon protocol.
>> Hopefully, EuCon will provide a protocol that will allow for people such as
>> Tim Burgess, to refine his Surface Reader that can one day support a
>> comprehensive solution.  This will enable us to work more directly with the
>> DAW software, and eliminate the loss of access when scripts, operating
>> systems and DAW software shifts direction.  Standardizing a communication
>> platform between software and devices, will enable speech output to provide
>> clear and succinct verbalization that can even be customized by the
>> individual user.
>> 
>> Slau, I think you will be very pleased by what you see and hear about the S3
>> at AES.  Talk with the Avid folks about EuCon, and where it's heading.  And
>> by the way, Unbeknownst to most, EuCon has been implemented in most all of
>> the major DAW software's; even going back as far as Sonar Producer 8.
>> 
>> Take Care,
>> 
>> Sean
>> seanacumm...@gmail.com
>> (928) 301-0518
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Slau Halatyn
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 3:34 PM
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Avid S3 or C24 control surface?
>> 
>> Hi Katie,
>> 
>> I know of no blind users with an s3 yet. To be certain, the C|24 is fully
>> supported and is very accessible but undoubtedly much further along in its
>> life cycle. It's clearly still supported and will probably be supported for
>> a few more years but I'd say that 5 years is perhaps pushing it a bit. I'm
>> not sure. In addition, the s3 is half the price but, as you pointed out,
>> doesn't necessarily have all of the same features that come in so handy with
>> the C|24. I'll be at AES this week and will have a chance to take a closer
>> look at the S3 and, since I have a C|24, might be able to compare/contrast
>> the two. I'll see if I can paint a fuller picture by next week.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Slau
>> 
>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Katie Zodrow <kzodrow...@att.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, everyone. Sorry this email is under Ashley Cox's name, I'm not sure
>> why this happened when I put in PT Accessibility in the to field. I'll try
>> to delete that next time I email the list.
>>> 
>>> I haven't emailed this list in a long time, but I have a question about
>> control surfaces. I'm currently working at Rick Boggs' studio Audio Eyes
>> part-time as an audio engineer. We do postproduction work producing video
>> description. I'll be going full time by next year and will be getting my own
>> digital audio workstation so I can work remotely from home or at the studio.
>> I reopened my case with DOR in California, and they will be purchasing this
>> system for me. I was planning to get the C24 control surface since that's
>> what we have at the studio, and I'm really familiar with this board. But I
>> was browsing on Google a couple weeks ago and last night too. I found
>> information about another control surface made by Avid. I think it was

Re: Avid S3 or C24 control surface?

[Slau Halatyn]

Hi sean,

I thought you were using that SSL surface. You probably were and switched at 
some point, clearly. Good to know that at least someone has taken the plunge. 
Although I'm currently using the C|24, I might also get the s3, we'll see.

Thanks for the heads up,

Slau

On Oct 29, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Sean A. Cummins <seanacumm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Slau and Katie,
> 
> I have the S3, and the performance with Pro Tools 12 is very tight, and
> deeply integrated.  .  I also use the Euphonic MC Transport with the S3
> which provides an incredible amount of options for controlling Pro Tools.
> Coincidentally, this weekend, I am starting the training with a client on
> his workstation my company had configured using the S3 and MC Transport with
> Pro Tools 12.
> 
> For years I have been recommending and using several differing control
> surfaces with VR clients that my company serve, and I firmly believe this is
> the future for all DAW programs with regard to the use of EuCon protocol.
> Hopefully, EuCon will provide a protocol that will allow for people such as
> Tim Burgess, to refine his Surface Reader that can one day support a
> comprehensive solution.  This will enable us to work more directly with the
> DAW software, and eliminate the loss of access when scripts, operating
> systems and DAW software shifts direction.  Standardizing a communication
> platform between software and devices, will enable speech output to provide
> clear and succinct verbalization that can even be customized by the
> individual user.
> 
> Slau, I think you will be very pleased by what you see and hear about the S3
> at AES.  Talk with the Avid folks about EuCon, and where it's heading.  And
> by the way, Unbeknownst to most, EuCon has been implemented in most all of
> the major DAW software's; even going back as far as Sonar Producer 8.
> 
> Take Care,
> 
> Sean
> seanacumm...@gmail.com
> (928) 301-0518 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Slau Halatyn
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 3:34 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Avid S3 or C24 control surface?
> 
> Hi Katie,
> 
> I know of no blind users with an s3 yet. To be certain, the C|24 is fully
> supported and is very accessible but undoubtedly much further along in its
> life cycle. It's clearly still supported and will probably be supported for
> a few more years but I'd say that 5 years is perhaps pushing it a bit. I'm
> not sure. In addition, the s3 is half the price but, as you pointed out,
> doesn't necessarily have all of the same features that come in so handy with
> the C|24. I'll be at AES this week and will have a chance to take a closer
> look at the S3 and, since I have a C|24, might be able to compare/contrast
> the two. I'll see if I can paint a fuller picture by next week.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Slau
> 
> On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Katie Zodrow <kzodrow...@att.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi, everyone. Sorry this email is under Ashley Cox's name, I'm not sure
> why this happened when I put in PT Accessibility in the to field. I'll try
> to delete that next time I email the list. 
>> 
>> I haven't emailed this list in a long time, but I have a question about
> control surfaces. I'm currently working at Rick Boggs' studio Audio Eyes
> part-time as an audio engineer. We do postproduction work producing video
> description. I'll be going full time by next year and will be getting my own
> digital audio workstation so I can work remotely from home or at the studio.
> I reopened my case with DOR in California, and they will be purchasing this
> system for me. I was planning to get the C24 control surface since that's
> what we have at the studio, and I'm really familiar with this board. But I
> was browsing on Google a couple weeks ago and last night too. I found
> information about another control surface made by Avid. I think it was
> introduced earlier this year or last year. Its called the Avid S3 control
> surface. Have any of you guys used this before, and do you know if this is
> accessible with Voiceover? I've never seen the S3 control surface. I've used
> the C24 at the studio many times, so I'm very familiar with using that
> board.
>> 
>> I know Rick told me if I get the C24, I would have to purchase a separate
> desk for the console. I know the S3 is a much smaller control surface
> compared to the C24, but I wasn't sure which one would be the best option
> for me to use with ProTools. Does the S3 come with its own desk, or do you
> need to purchase it separately?
>> 
>> I've heard the S3 is EUCON enabled which is cool, so you can use this with
> other applications besides P

RE: Avid S3 or C24 control surface?

[Sean A. Cummins]

Hi Slau,

Yes, you are correct.  I have integrated several of the SSL Nucleus for
clients, but the S3 is my newest recommendation for the systems I'm
integrating.  The SSL's also utilize the EuCon protocol, so this is the
direction I am guiding my client to pursue for future development of the
Surface Reader. 

The one think folks need to understand, is that the S3 is really strictly a
DAW control surface that can also be used on a local area network.  This
meaning that it can be used in a digital audio/video over Ethernet editing
post production  house.  

There are limited audio ins and out on the S3, so the need for an I/O and
preamp will be necessary for those looking to do multi track recording at
one time.  Though I personally choose to pick the I/O and preamps to my
liking, and don't want to go with "on board" preamps; there is, something to
be said for an all-in-one solution.


Take Care,
 
Sean
 seanacumm...@gmail.com
(928) 301-0518
 

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Slau Halatyn
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 11:45 AM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Avid S3 or C24 control surface?

Hi sean,

I thought you were using that SSL surface. You probably were and switched at
some point, clearly. Good to know that at least someone has taken the
plunge. Although I'm currently using the C|24, I might also get the s3,
we'll see.

Thanks for the heads up,

Slau

On Oct 29, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Sean A. Cummins <seanacumm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Slau and Katie,
> 
> I have the S3, and the performance with Pro Tools 12 is very tight, 
> and deeply integrated.  .  I also use the Euphonic MC Transport with 
> the S3 which provides an incredible amount of options for controlling Pro
Tools.
> Coincidentally, this weekend, I am starting the training with a client 
> on his workstation my company had configured using the S3 and MC 
> Transport with Pro Tools 12.
> 
> For years I have been recommending and using several differing control 
> surfaces with VR clients that my company serve, and I firmly believe 
> this is the future for all DAW programs with regard to the use of EuCon
protocol.
> Hopefully, EuCon will provide a protocol that will allow for people 
> such as Tim Burgess, to refine his Surface Reader that can one day 
> support a comprehensive solution.  This will enable us to work more 
> directly with the DAW software, and eliminate the loss of access when 
> scripts, operating systems and DAW software shifts direction.  
> Standardizing a communication platform between software and devices, 
> will enable speech output to provide clear and succinct verbalization 
> that can even be customized by the individual user.
> 
> Slau, I think you will be very pleased by what you see and hear about 
> the S3 at AES.  Talk with the Avid folks about EuCon, and where it's 
> heading.  And by the way, Unbeknownst to most, EuCon has been 
> implemented in most all of the major DAW software's; even going back as
far as Sonar Producer 8.
> 
> Take Care,
> 
> Sean
> seanacumm...@gmail.com
> (928) 301-0518
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Slau Halatyn
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 3:34 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Avid S3 or C24 control surface?
> 
> Hi Katie,
> 
> I know of no blind users with an s3 yet. To be certain, the C|24 is 
> fully supported and is very accessible but undoubtedly much further 
> along in its life cycle. It's clearly still supported and will 
> probably be supported for a few more years but I'd say that 5 years is 
> perhaps pushing it a bit. I'm not sure. In addition, the s3 is half 
> the price but, as you pointed out, doesn't necessarily have all of the 
> same features that come in so handy with the C|24. I'll be at AES this 
> week and will have a chance to take a closer look at the S3 and, since 
> I have a C|24, might be able to compare/contrast the two. I'll see if I
can paint a fuller picture by next week.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Slau
> 
> On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Katie Zodrow <kzodrow...@att.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi, everyone. Sorry this email is under Ashley Cox's name, I'm not 
>> sure
> why this happened when I put in PT Accessibility in the to field. I'll 
> try to delete that next time I email the list.
>> 
>> I haven't emailed this list in a long time, but I have a question 
>> about
> control surfaces. I'm currently working at Rick Boggs' studio Audio 
> Eyes part-time as an audio engineer. We do postproduction work 
> producing video description. I'll be going full time by next year and 
> will be getting my own digital audio workstation so I ca

Re: Avid S3 or C24 control surface?

[Slau Halatyn]

I don't know the model numbers but there's like 3 surfaces that belong to that 
series. Sweetwater probably has some overviews.

Slau

On Oct 30, 2015, at 12:10 AM, Jed Barton <jedbar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> oh cool, do you have a model number for that?  artist series, right?
> 
> On 10/29/2015 2:46 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:
>> Hi Jed,
>> 
>> The S3 costs $5,000. The Artist series is considerably less expensive and 
>> you might want to check that out. There's at least one person using it and 
>> loves it.
>> 
>> Slau
>> 
>> On Oct 29, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Jed Barton <jedbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> hey guys, so can you tell me a bit about the s3?  I am going to be getting 
>>> protools, and this is my biggest deciding factor.
>>> What i will be doing with protools, some radio production, and some basic 
>>> music mixing.  In my past with digital editing, i've always found it really 
>>> useful to have a scrub wheel.  Obviously i need a somewhat good control 
>>> surface, but can't afford 5 grand to get it.  Any middle of the road 
>>> solutions that will cover a lot of the basics such as editing, faiders and 
>>> all that?
>>> Will this s3 do the job?
>>> 
>>> On 10/29/2015 11:13 AM, Sean A. Cummins wrote:
>>>> Hi Slau and Katie,
>>>> 
>>>> I have the S3, and the performance with Pro Tools 12 is very tight, and
>>>> deeply integrated.  .  I also use the Euphonic MC Transport with the S3
>>>> which provides an incredible amount of options for controlling Pro Tools.
>>>> Coincidentally, this weekend, I am starting the training with a client on
>>>> his workstation my company had configured using the S3 and MC Transport 
>>>> with
>>>> Pro Tools 12.
>>>> 
>>>> For years I have been recommending and using several differing control
>>>> surfaces with VR clients that my company serve, and I firmly believe this 
>>>> is
>>>> the future for all DAW programs with regard to the use of EuCon protocol.
>>>> Hopefully, EuCon will provide a protocol that will allow for people such as
>>>> Tim Burgess, to refine his Surface Reader that can one day support a
>>>> comprehensive solution.  This will enable us to work more directly with the
>>>> DAW software, and eliminate the loss of access when scripts, operating
>>>> systems and DAW software shifts direction.  Standardizing a communication
>>>> platform between software and devices, will enable speech output to provide
>>>> clear and succinct verbalization that can even be customized by the
>>>> individual user.
>>>> 
>>>> Slau, I think you will be very pleased by what you see and hear about the 
>>>> S3
>>>> at AES.  Talk with the Avid folks about EuCon, and where it's heading.  And
>>>> by the way, Unbeknownst to most, EuCon has been implemented in most all of
>>>> the major DAW software's; even going back as far as Sonar Producer 8.
>>>> 
>>>> Take Care,
>>>> 
>>>> Sean
>>>> seanacumm...@gmail.com
>>>> (928) 301-0518
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Slau Halatyn
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 3:34 PM
>>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Avid S3 or C24 control surface?
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Katie,
>>>> 
>>>> I know of no blind users with an s3 yet. To be certain, the C|24 is fully
>>>> supported and is very accessible but undoubtedly much further along in its
>>>> life cycle. It's clearly still supported and will probably be supported for
>>>> a few more years but I'd say that 5 years is perhaps pushing it a bit. I'm
>>>> not sure. In addition, the s3 is half the price but, as you pointed out,
>>>> doesn't necessarily have all of the same features that come in so handy 
>>>> with
>>>> the C|24. I'll be at AES this week and will have a chance to take a closer
>>>> look at the S3 and, since I have a C|24, might be able to compare/contrast
>>>> the two. I'll see if I can paint a fuller picture by next week.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Slau
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Katie Zodrow <kzodrow...@att.net> wrote:
>>>&g

Re: Avid S3 or C24 control surface?

[Jed Barton]

oh cool, do you have a model number for that?  artist series, right?

On 10/29/2015 2:46 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:

Hi Jed,

The S3 costs $5,000. The Artist series is considerably less expensive and you 
might want to check that out. There's at least one person using it and loves it.

Slau

On Oct 29, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Jed Barton <jedbar...@gmail.com> wrote:


hey guys, so can you tell me a bit about the s3?  I am going to be getting 
protools, and this is my biggest deciding factor.
What i will be doing with protools, some radio production, and some basic music 
mixing.  In my past with digital editing, i've always found it really useful to 
have a scrub wheel.  Obviously i need a somewhat good control surface, but 
can't afford 5 grand to get it.  Any middle of the road solutions that will 
cover a lot of the basics such as editing, faiders and all that?
Will this s3 do the job?

On 10/29/2015 11:13 AM, Sean A. Cummins wrote:

Hi Slau and Katie,

I have the S3, and the performance with Pro Tools 12 is very tight, and
deeply integrated.  .  I also use the Euphonic MC Transport with the S3
which provides an incredible amount of options for controlling Pro Tools.
Coincidentally, this weekend, I am starting the training with a client on
his workstation my company had configured using the S3 and MC Transport with
Pro Tools 12.

For years I have been recommending and using several differing control
surfaces with VR clients that my company serve, and I firmly believe this is
the future for all DAW programs with regard to the use of EuCon protocol.
Hopefully, EuCon will provide a protocol that will allow for people such as
Tim Burgess, to refine his Surface Reader that can one day support a
comprehensive solution.  This will enable us to work more directly with the
DAW software, and eliminate the loss of access when scripts, operating
systems and DAW software shifts direction.  Standardizing a communication
platform between software and devices, will enable speech output to provide
clear and succinct verbalization that can even be customized by the
individual user.

Slau, I think you will be very pleased by what you see and hear about the S3
at AES.  Talk with the Avid folks about EuCon, and where it's heading.  And
by the way, Unbeknownst to most, EuCon has been implemented in most all of
the major DAW software's; even going back as far as Sonar Producer 8.

Take Care,

Sean
seanacumm...@gmail.com
(928) 301-0518


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From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Slau Halatyn
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 3:34 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Avid S3 or C24 control surface?

Hi Katie,

I know of no blind users with an s3 yet. To be certain, the C|24 is fully
supported and is very accessible but undoubtedly much further along in its
life cycle. It's clearly still supported and will probably be supported for
a few more years but I'd say that 5 years is perhaps pushing it a bit. I'm
not sure. In addition, the s3 is half the price but, as you pointed out,
doesn't necessarily have all of the same features that come in so handy with
the C|24. I'll be at AES this week and will have a chance to take a closer
look at the S3 and, since I have a C|24, might be able to compare/contrast
the two. I'll see if I can paint a fuller picture by next week.

Best,

Slau

On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Katie Zodrow <kzodrow...@att.net> wrote:


Hi, everyone. Sorry this email is under Ashley Cox's name, I'm not sure

why this happened when I put in PT Accessibility in the to field. I'll try
to delete that next time I email the list.


I haven't emailed this list in a long time, but I have a question about

control surfaces. I'm currently working at Rick Boggs' studio Audio Eyes
part-time as an audio engineer. We do postproduction work producing video
description. I'll be going full time by next year and will be getting my own
digital audio workstation so I can work remotely from home or at the studio.
I reopened my case with DOR in California, and they will be purchasing this
system for me. I was planning to get the C24 control surface since that's
what we have at the studio, and I'm really familiar with this board. But I
was browsing on Google a couple weeks ago and last night too. I found
information about another control surface made by Avid. I think it was
introduced earlier this year or last year. Its called the Avid S3 control
surface. Have any of you guys used this before, and do you know if this is
accessible with Voiceover? I've never seen the S3 control surface. I've used
the C24 at the studio many times, so I'm very familiar with using that
board.


I know Rick told me if I get the C24, I would have to purchase a separate

desk for the console. I know the S3 is a much smaller control surface
compared to the C24, but I wasn't sure which one would be the best option
for me to use with ProTools. Does the S3 come with its own desk, or

Re: Avid S3 or C24 control surface?

[Slau Halatyn]

Hi Katie,

I know of no blind users with an s3 yet. To be certain, the C|24 is fully 
supported and is very accessible but undoubtedly much further along in its life 
cycle. It's clearly still supported and will probably be supported for a few 
more years but I'd say that 5 years is perhaps pushing it a bit. I'm not sure. 
In addition, the s3 is half the price but, as you pointed out, doesn't 
necessarily have all of the same features that come in so handy with the C|24. 
I'll be at AES this week and will have a chance to take a closer look at the S3 
and, since I have a C|24, might be able to compare/contrast the two. I'll see 
if I can paint a fuller picture by next week.

Best,

Slau

On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Katie Zodrow  wrote:

> Hi, everyone. Sorry this email is under Ashley Cox’s name, I’m not sure why 
> this happened when I put in PT Accessibility in the to field. I’ll try to 
> delete that next time I email the list. 
> 
> I haven’t emailed this list in a long time, but I have a question about 
> control surfaces. I’m currently working at Rick Boggs' studio Audio Eyes 
> part-time as an audio engineer. We do postproduction work producing video 
> description. I’ll be going full time by next year and will be getting my own 
> digital audio workstation so I can work remotely from home or at the studio. 
> I reopened my case with DOR in California, and they will be purchasing this 
> system for me. I was planning to get the C24 control surface since that’s 
> what we have at the studio, and I’m really familiar with this board. But I 
> was browsing on Google a couple weeks ago and last night too. I found 
> information about another control surface made by Avid. I think it was 
> introduced earlier this year or last year. Its called the Avid S3 control 
> surface. Have any of you guys used this before, and do you know if this is 
> accessible with Voiceover? I’ve never seen the S3 control surface. I’ve used 
> the C24 at the studio many times, so I’m very familiar with using that board.
> 
> I know Rick told me if I get the C24, I would have to purchase a separate 
> desk for the console. I know the S3 is a much smaller control surface 
> compared to the C24, but I wasn’t sure which one would be the best option for 
> me to use with ProTools. Does the S3 come with its own desk, or do you need 
> to purchase it separately?
> 
> I’ve heard the S3 is EUCON enabled which is cool, so you can use this with 
> other applications besides ProTools like Logic or Digital Performer. This 
> board has 16 channels you can work with instead of 24. I’m not sure though if 
> the S3 has a lot of analog controls like the C24 or not. I’ve read that the 
> S3 doesn’t have a lot of audio editing functions though, so I think I’d have 
> to get the Artist Transport to use for editing and recording. I like that the 
> C24 includes the transport controls as well as the jog wheel, and the scrub 
> and shuttle modes all in one unit. Is the Artist Transport a good device to 
> use for editing?
> 
> 
> Let me know what you guys think. I’d like to get a control surface I can use 
> and that’s still supported by Avid for at least five years or longer. Should 
> I go with the C24, or the Avid S3?
> Thanks.
> Katie
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