Re: EZ Drummer 2

[Ricky Prevatte]

Will the slate drum program work off the  midi keyboard like you all  described 
in the previous posts? I might just go with slate because I think I can use my 
hand sonic to program as well with the slate  product. Also is anyone using 
more of the Protools loops for basic song writing tools? 

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154

> On Nov 14, 2015, at 11:38 PM, Sean A. Cummins <seanacumm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Slau, I'll report back for the list.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Take Care,
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Slau Halatyn
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 9:12 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: EZ Drummer 2
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> Well, it seems to me that Strike is capable of doing what you're describing
> and then some. I have no idea what it costs as a stand-alone plug-in or
> whether it's even sold as a stand-alone item. I bought the bundle and never
> considered anything less. I'm not sure if it's also available as a demo.
> Probably not as it's a sizable download. But as far as "stupid simple," it
> hardly gets simpler than pressing play and auditioning patterns by simply
> pressing a single MIDI note to generate a pattern and then pressing a
> different note to audition a different pattern or variation. It's not the
> kind of thing where you choose a pattern and then you can substitute another
> kit while playing the same pattern. It's more a matter of choosing a style
> and then within that style, you'll have a particular sounding kit and what
> you can do is choose various patterns, mix and match the sequences in any
> order and you have the ability to add custom hits using the same kit to
> supplement the existing patterns. So, to me, it seems like it offers the
> very simplest scenario and you can get quite complex.
> 
> Of course, for $99, you can get Slate Drums and program basic patterns while
> changing kits, more along the lines of what you described and, who knows,
> that might end up being the cheaper option.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Slau
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2015, at 5:38 PM, Sean A. Cummins <seanacumm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Slau,
>> 
>> What I was looking to accomplish, was to be able to use a MIDI 
>> keyboard to input some drum/percussion data if necessary,  but to 
>> basically load MIDI loops/patches into the song structure, and change  
>> drum sets or the individual drums in a sampled kit.  I'm not looking 
>> to do major MIDI editing.  I'll use Logic or Sonar and export and 
>> import if necessary if that kind of detailing comes up.
>> 
>> All this for setting up song structure whether to keep the MIDI 
>> tracks, or to use as a pilot track for the drummer and or musicians 
>> while doing initial tracking.
>> 
>> The old adage, simple-stupid-simple works best for work flow.  Grin!  
>> So would Strike be over-kill, or would it possibly be the best 
>> solution in your opinion?
>> Take Care,
>> 
>> Thanks as always for your time!
>> 
>> Sean
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Slau Halatyn
>> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 1:18 PM
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: EZ Drummer 2
>> 
>> I hesitated before posting this because I wanted to test a couple of 
>> things for myself first. I mostly record live drums but I've certainly 
>> done my share of drum programming. With MIDI sequences, it was most 
>> often sequenced from scratch and, years ago, I'd use Drum Kit from 
>> Hell. For several years, I haven't done any drum programming because I 
>> haven't needed to for any of my clients, most of whom have drummers or I'd
> hire players for projects.
>> 
>> Some time ago, I bought the AIR Expansion including seven virtual 
>> instruments. Strike is among them. I took a quick look at strike and 
>> played a few notes, noticed that it had a ton of variations on 
>> patterns and didn't pay it much attention. another thing that at first 
>> made me wary was a series of numbers associated with the factory 
>> patches. I assumed these were bpm designations which really seemed 
>> quite limiting. Well, after some recent discussions, I decided to take a
> closer look.
>> 
>> the numbers associated with patches are clearly not bpm values and the 
>> patterns within Strike are completely capable of following the session 
>> tampo map. the patterns within strike can be supplemented by 
>> individual drum hits

Re: EZ Drummer 2

[Slau Halatyn]

Hi Sean,

Well, it seems to me that Strike is capable of doing what you're describing and 
then some. I have no idea what it costs as a stand-alone plug-in or whether 
it's even sold as a stand-alone item. I bought the bundle and never considered 
anything less. I'm not sure if it's also available as a demo. Probably not as 
it's a sizable download. But as far as "stupid simple," it hardly gets simpler 
than pressing play and auditioning patterns by simply pressing a single MIDI 
note to generate a pattern and then pressing a different note to audition a 
different pattern or variation. It's not the kind of thing where you choose a 
pattern and then you can substitute another kit while playing the same pattern. 
It's more a matter of choosing a style and then within that style, you'll have 
a particular sounding kit and what you can do is choose various patterns, mix 
and match the sequences in any order and you have the ability to add custom 
hits using the same kit to supplement the existing patterns. So, to me, it 
seems like it offers the very simplest scenario and you can get quite complex.

Of course, for $99, you can get Slate Drums and program basic patterns while 
changing kits, more along the lines of what you described and, who knows, that 
might end up being the cheaper option.

Cheers,

Slau

On Nov 14, 2015, at 5:38 PM, Sean A. Cummins <seanacumm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Slau,
> 
> What I was looking to accomplish, was to be able to use a MIDI keyboard to
> input some drum/percussion data if necessary,  but to basically load MIDI
> loops/patches into the song structure, and change  drum sets or the
> individual drums in a sampled kit.  I'm not looking to do major MIDI
> editing.  I'll use Logic or Sonar and export and import if necessary if that
> kind of detailing comes up.
> 
> All this for setting up song structure whether to keep the MIDI tracks, or
> to use as a pilot track for the drummer and or musicians while doing initial
> tracking. 
> 
> The old adage, simple-stupid-simple works best for work flow.  Grin!  So
> would Strike be over-kill, or would it possibly be the best solution in your
> opinion?
> Take Care,
> 
> Thanks as always for your time!
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Slau Halatyn
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 1:18 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: EZ Drummer 2
> 
> I hesitated before posting this because I wanted to test a couple of things
> for myself first. I mostly record live drums but I've certainly done my
> share of drum programming. With MIDI sequences, it was most often sequenced
> from scratch and, years ago, I'd use Drum Kit from Hell. For several years,
> I haven't done any drum programming because I haven't needed to for any of
> my clients, most of whom have drummers or I'd hire players for projects.
> 
> Some time ago, I bought the AIR Expansion including seven virtual
> instruments. Strike is among them. I took a quick look at strike and played
> a few notes, noticed that it had a ton of variations on patterns and didn't
> pay it much attention. another thing that at first made me wary was a series
> of numbers associated with the factory patches. I assumed these were bpm
> designations which really seemed quite limiting. Well, after some recent
> discussions, I decided to take a closer look.
> 
> the numbers associated with patches are clearly not bpm values and the
> patterns within Strike are completely capable of following the session tampo
> map. the patterns within strike can be supplemented by individual drum hits
> and it's possible to create either incredibly simple patterns or very
> complex ones. I noticed that there are six hundred eighty-nine parameters
> that can be seen by VoiceOver. The plug-in offers a dizzying array of
> possibilities. I've never read the manual but I'm sure it would take some
> reading to understand Strike's full potential but, from what I've seen, it's
> an outstanding plug-in for drum sequences. To me, it seems if somebody wants
> to have one hundred percent control over the smallest detail of a drum
> performance, maybe Strike isn't the answer but, if you want that kind of
> control, get a drummer to play what you want and, even then, you won't have
> control over every aspect of their playing.
> 
> Slau
> 
> On Nov 12, 2015, at 5:33 PM, Sean A. Cummins <seanacumm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> does anyone have any experience with EZ Drummer 2 with regard to 
>> accessibility?  The new features look as if they can be very useful 
>> for work-flow, but not if there's no real access.  For example, the 
>> use a the interactive hands fo

RE: EZ Drummer 2

[Sean A. Cummins]

Thanks Slau, I'll report back for the list.

 


Take Care,
 
Sean
 
 

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From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Slau Halatyn
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 9:12 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: EZ Drummer 2

Hi Sean,

Well, it seems to me that Strike is capable of doing what you're describing
and then some. I have no idea what it costs as a stand-alone plug-in or
whether it's even sold as a stand-alone item. I bought the bundle and never
considered anything less. I'm not sure if it's also available as a demo.
Probably not as it's a sizable download. But as far as "stupid simple," it
hardly gets simpler than pressing play and auditioning patterns by simply
pressing a single MIDI note to generate a pattern and then pressing a
different note to audition a different pattern or variation. It's not the
kind of thing where you choose a pattern and then you can substitute another
kit while playing the same pattern. It's more a matter of choosing a style
and then within that style, you'll have a particular sounding kit and what
you can do is choose various patterns, mix and match the sequences in any
order and you have the ability to add custom hits using the same kit to
supplement the existing patterns. So, to me, it seems like it offers the
very simplest scenario and you can get quite complex.

Of course, for $99, you can get Slate Drums and program basic patterns while
changing kits, more along the lines of what you described and, who knows,
that might end up being the cheaper option.

Cheers,

Slau

On Nov 14, 2015, at 5:38 PM, Sean A. Cummins <seanacumm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Slau,
> 
> What I was looking to accomplish, was to be able to use a MIDI 
> keyboard to input some drum/percussion data if necessary,  but to 
> basically load MIDI loops/patches into the song structure, and change  
> drum sets or the individual drums in a sampled kit.  I'm not looking 
> to do major MIDI editing.  I'll use Logic or Sonar and export and 
> import if necessary if that kind of detailing comes up.
> 
> All this for setting up song structure whether to keep the MIDI 
> tracks, or to use as a pilot track for the drummer and or musicians 
> while doing initial tracking.
> 
> The old adage, simple-stupid-simple works best for work flow.  Grin!  
> So would Strike be over-kill, or would it possibly be the best 
> solution in your opinion?
> Take Care,
> 
> Thanks as always for your time!
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Slau Halatyn
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 1:18 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: EZ Drummer 2
> 
> I hesitated before posting this because I wanted to test a couple of 
> things for myself first. I mostly record live drums but I've certainly 
> done my share of drum programming. With MIDI sequences, it was most 
> often sequenced from scratch and, years ago, I'd use Drum Kit from 
> Hell. For several years, I haven't done any drum programming because I 
> haven't needed to for any of my clients, most of whom have drummers or I'd
hire players for projects.
> 
> Some time ago, I bought the AIR Expansion including seven virtual 
> instruments. Strike is among them. I took a quick look at strike and 
> played a few notes, noticed that it had a ton of variations on 
> patterns and didn't pay it much attention. another thing that at first 
> made me wary was a series of numbers associated with the factory 
> patches. I assumed these were bpm designations which really seemed 
> quite limiting. Well, after some recent discussions, I decided to take a
closer look.
> 
> the numbers associated with patches are clearly not bpm values and the 
> patterns within Strike are completely capable of following the session 
> tampo map. the patterns within strike can be supplemented by 
> individual drum hits and it's possible to create either incredibly 
> simple patterns or very complex ones. I noticed that there are six 
> hundred eighty-nine parameters that can be seen by VoiceOver. The 
> plug-in offers a dizzying array of possibilities. I've never read the 
> manual but I'm sure it would take some reading to understand Strike's 
> full potential but, from what I've seen, it's an outstanding plug-in 
> for drum sequences. To me, it seems if somebody wants to have one 
> hundred percent control over the smallest detail of a drum 
> performance, maybe Strike isn't the answer but, if you want that kind 
> of control, get a drummer to play what you want and, even then, you won't
have control over every aspect of their playing.
> 
> Slau
> 
> On Nov 12, 2015, at 5:33 PM, Sean A. Cummins <seanacumm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

RE: EZ Drummer 2

[Sean A. Cummins]

Hi Slau,

What I was looking to accomplish, was to be able to use a MIDI keyboard to
input some drum/percussion data if necessary,  but to basically load MIDI
loops/patches into the song structure, and change  drum sets or the
individual drums in a sampled kit.  I'm not looking to do major MIDI
editing.  I'll use Logic or Sonar and export and import if necessary if that
kind of detailing comes up.

All this for setting up song structure whether to keep the MIDI tracks, or
to use as a pilot track for the drummer and or musicians while doing initial
tracking. 

The old adage, simple-stupid-simple works best for work flow.  Grin!  So
would Strike be over-kill, or would it possibly be the best solution in your
opinion?
Take Care,
 
Thanks as always for your time!

Sean
 
 

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Slau Halatyn
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 1:18 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: EZ Drummer 2

I hesitated before posting this because I wanted to test a couple of things
for myself first. I mostly record live drums but I've certainly done my
share of drum programming. With MIDI sequences, it was most often sequenced
from scratch and, years ago, I'd use Drum Kit from Hell. For several years,
I haven't done any drum programming because I haven't needed to for any of
my clients, most of whom have drummers or I'd hire players for projects.

Some time ago, I bought the AIR Expansion including seven virtual
instruments. Strike is among them. I took a quick look at strike and played
a few notes, noticed that it had a ton of variations on patterns and didn't
pay it much attention. another thing that at first made me wary was a series
of numbers associated with the factory patches. I assumed these were bpm
designations which really seemed quite limiting. Well, after some recent
discussions, I decided to take a closer look.

the numbers associated with patches are clearly not bpm values and the
patterns within Strike are completely capable of following the session tampo
map. the patterns within strike can be supplemented by individual drum hits
and it's possible to create either incredibly simple patterns or very
complex ones. I noticed that there are six hundred eighty-nine parameters
that can be seen by VoiceOver. The plug-in offers a dizzying array of
possibilities. I've never read the manual but I'm sure it would take some
reading to understand Strike's full potential but, from what I've seen, it's
an outstanding plug-in for drum sequences. To me, it seems if somebody wants
to have one hundred percent control over the smallest detail of a drum
performance, maybe Strike isn't the answer but, if you want that kind of
control, get a drummer to play what you want and, even then, you won't have
control over every aspect of their playing.

Slau

On Nov 12, 2015, at 5:33 PM, Sean A. Cummins <seanacumm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> does anyone have any experience with EZ Drummer 2 with regard to 
> accessibility?  The new features look as if they can be very useful 
> for work-flow, but not if there's no real access.  For example, the 
> use a the interactive hands for busying-up the feel or the pattern 
> finder is slick, but can it be use in a practical way via Voiceover or 
> another MIDI input device?  And the key word here is "practical ".
> 
> Otherwise, I'm open to any input as to an accessible package that 
> works well for use in Pro Tools 12.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Sean
> 
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Re: EZ Drummer 2

[Slau Halatyn]

I hesitated before posting this because I wanted to test a couple of things for 
myself first. I mostly record live drums but I've certainly done my share of 
drum programming. With MIDI sequences, it was most often sequenced from scratch 
and, years ago, I'd use Drum Kit from Hell. For several years, I haven't done 
any drum programming because I haven't needed to for any of my clients, most of 
whom have drummers or I'd hire players for projects.

Some time ago, I bought the AIR Expansion including seven virtual instruments. 
Strike is among them. I took a quick look at strike and played a few notes, 
noticed that it had a ton of variations on patterns and didn't pay it much 
attention. another thing that at first made me wary was a series of numbers 
associated with the factory patches. I assumed these were bpm designations 
which really seemed quite limiting. Well, after some recent discussions, I 
decided to take a closer look.

the numbers associated with patches are clearly not bpm values and the patterns 
within Strike are completely capable of following the session tampo map. the 
patterns within strike can be supplemented by individual drum hits and it's 
possible to create either incredibly simple patterns or very complex ones. I 
noticed that there are six hundred eighty-nine parameters that can be seen by 
VoiceOver. The plug-in offers a dizzying array of possibilities. I've never 
read the manual but I'm sure it would take some reading to understand Strike's 
full potential but, from what I've seen, it's an outstanding plug-in for drum 
sequences. To me, it seems if somebody wants to have one hundred percent 
control over the smallest detail of a drum performance, maybe Strike isn't the 
answer but, if you want that kind of control, get a drummer to play what you 
want and, even then, you won't have control over every aspect of their playing.

Slau

On Nov 12, 2015, at 5:33 PM, Sean A. Cummins  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> does anyone have any experience with EZ Drummer 2 with regard to
> accessibility?  The new features look as if they can be very useful for
> work-flow, but not if there's no real access.  For example, the use a the
> interactive hands for busying-up the feel or the pattern finder is slick,
> but can it be use in a practical way via Voiceover or another MIDI input
> device?  And the key word here is "practical ".
> 
> Otherwise, I'm open to any input as to an accessible package that works well
> for use in Pro Tools 12.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Sean 
> 
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Re: EZ Drummer 2

['Gary Readfern-Gray' via Pro Tools Accessibility]

I can confirm that EZ Drummer 2 is completely inaccessible on the Mac
with VoiceOver. So, I have this question as well, In Pro Tools, what
is the accessible Recommendation for drum plugs that let you do more
than just use sound presets. For example browse and select drum
patterns, select from a range of fills etc.

One pretty good option is to use the virtual drummer built into
Garrageband This is both accessible and not too difficult to use. I
guess you could export audio of your drums out for use in your track,
or if you have Logic, you can export the MIDI for use with Boom,
Strike etc, but I'd be interested to hear what people are using. I
mostly find a sound that I like and then bang the parts in on my
Keyboard - not ideal, but it's served me well for years.


On 11/13/15, 'Hi' via Pro Tools Accessibility  wrote:
> Hey Kev, I use SS trigger and SS drums daily both in studio and live
> sound. There's no UI for VO but it works perfectly with a control
> surface. It can import wav files so you can use it for any drum samples.
> You can also trigger it through midi sources if you have a project with
> bad midi drum sounds but you'll have to use KM or QK which still works.
> If you set up scripts for it you can do much more than just trigger. The
> SSD drums are also great and playable by either pads or a keyboard.
> These are 2 separate programs. Chuck is also using trigger and we have
> the PT maps which I think are floating around somewhere out there. BTW,
> did you have any luck with the Structure file I sent from way back where
> you were investigating some fun VO mapping?
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Re: EZ Drummer 2

[Chris Smart]

Nope, I have some of Slate's other things here, but not the drum
software.
If it's accessible, especially on the PC, I'd love to know.
At 08:37 PM 11/12/2015, you wrote:
Hey Chris.  I thought you
were a Steven Slate Drums user?
If so, can you speak to it’s level of accessibility on Mac, windows,
etc?
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Re: EZ Drummer 2

[Scott Chesworth]

One more vote for Drummer in GarageBand, or Logic if you want to
export individual tracks. So far as I know there's nothing else out
there where the options to tinker with styles, patterns and whatnot on
the fly are usable with VoiceOver, and I suspect that's what Sean is
after. The actual samples aren't the best to my ears, but they're not
bad, and the workflow seemed like it'd make up for that going on the
brief bit of tinkering I got to do the other day. Alternatively there
are tons of good libraries of MIDI grooves which you can use to build
up a song structure and trigger using whatever sounds good to you.
That's what I've always done in PT previously, but really, it's not as
neat or quick of a workflow, and PT is less smart than some other DAWs
about syncing the project to embedded tempos and such.

Does SSD from Slate have any sort of nifty pattern editor or song
builder or whatever included? If so, is that also usable via a control
surface? I suspect the answer to both questions is no, but it's worth
an ask seeing as we've got a regular user commenting here.

Scott

On 11/13/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
> Nope, I have some of Slate's other things here, but not the drum software.
> If it's accessible, especially on the PC, I'd love to know.
>
> At 08:37 PM 11/12/2015, you wrote:
>>
>> Hey Chris.  I thought you were a Steven Slate Drums user?
>> If so, can you speak to it’s level of accessibility on Mac, windows,
>> etc?
>>
>> Kevin
>>
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Re: EZ Drummer 2

[Slau Halatyn]

I guess you'll have to ask that on a Windows list?On Nov 13, 2015, at 1:11 PM, 
Chris Smart  wrote:

> Nope, I have some of Slate's other things here, but not the drum software.
> If it's accessible, especially on the PC, I'd love to know.
> 
> At 08:37 PM 11/12/2015, you wrote:
>> Hey Chris.  I thought you were a Steven Slate Drums user?
>> If so, can you speak to it’s level of accessibility on Mac, windows, etc?
>> 
>> Kevin
>> 
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RE: EZ Drummer 2

[Sean A. Cummins]

Kevin,

Thanks much for the info.  

Any recommended sample libraries for Boom you would suggest?

Sean
 


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From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kevin Reeves
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:26 PM
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Subject: Re: EZ Drummer 2

Out problem with any plug inside Pro Tools right now is that there's no way
to reveal the UI to voiceover.
The only thing that seems to be available is anything that's automatable.
I would think that the entirety of EZ drummer 2, which heavily relies on
browsers would be completely inaccessible.
What's worth trying though, is to load it up in Pro Tools on Windows and use
different screen reader cursers to try and see if it is accessible enough to
create presets.


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Re: EZ Drummer 2

[Kevin Reeves]

I don’t know if Boom can import wave files to form a sample library.

I think the best bet at this point is Strike, which already has presets made 
for it.

Kevin

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Re: EZ Drummer 2

[Kevin Reeves]

Hey Chris.  I thought you were a Steven Slate Drums user?
If so, can you speak to it’s level of accessibility on Mac, windows, etc?

Kevin


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Re: EZ Drummer 2

[Chris Smart]

EZ Drummer and Superior Drummer are entirely accessible on the Windows
side, but that's with Jaws and some very extensive hotspot clicker sets.

At 07:25 PM 11/12/2015, you wrote:
Out problem with any plug inside
Pro Tools right now is that there’s no way to reveal the UI to
voiceover.
The only thing that seems to be available is anything that’s
automatable.
I would think that the entirety of EZ drummer 2, which heavily relies on
browsers would be completely inaccessible.
What’s worth trying though, is to load it up in Pro Tools on Windows
and use different screen reader cursers to try and see if it is
accessible enough to create presets.

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Re: EZ Drummer 2

[Kevin Reeves]

And that’s only in the Sonar environment. However, I'm curious to know if 
they’ve changed their interface around in EZ drummer 2 to where more icons were 
available via screen reader cursers within the Pro Tools plug window.

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Re: EZ Drummer 2

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Hey Kev, I use SS trigger and SS drums daily both in studio and live 
sound. There's no UI for VO but it works perfectly with a control 
surface. It can import wav files so you can use it for any drum samples. 
You can also trigger it through midi sources if you have a project with 
bad midi drum sounds but you'll have to use KM or QK which still works. 
If you set up scripts for it you can do much more than just trigger. The 
SSD drums are also great and playable by either pads or a keyboard. 
These are 2 separate programs. Chuck is also using trigger and we have 
the PT maps which I think are floating around somewhere out there. BTW, 
did you have any luck with the Structure file I sent from way back where 
you were investigating some fun VO mapping?


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