Re: Unable to reinstall Flow Tools

[Christopher Gilland]

I agree with Slau. This is awesome, and very very much appreviated, you 
getting that done so quickly.



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On 10/26/2022 3:24 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:

Thanks for doing that so quickly, Rocco.

On Oct 26, 2022, at 2:24 PM, Rocco Fiorentino 
 wrote:


Hi all,

A Flo Tools installer for Ventura is now in the Dropbox. It’s called 
“Flo Tools Temporary installer for Ventura” :) let me know if anyone 
has any issues installing.


Best,

Rocco


On Oct 26, 2022, at 1:14 PM, Christopher Gilland 
 wrote:


Yeah... That sounds like a plan. Keep us posted. Smile. NO rush.


BTW, I saw the other day you removed those Kontakt AAX test macros 
for Chris2 file out of the Dropbox. That's fine though as I do have 
it backed up here elsewhere.



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On 10/26/2022 11:03 AM, Slau Halatyn wrote:
I think we might do what we did once before and just post a 
temporary installer in the Drop Box. stay tuned on that.

Slau


On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:49 PM, Chris Gilland 
 wrote:


Yikes!

Thank God I didn't do what Goerge did and uninstall it then, as I 
too noticed the first time, PT didn't seem to be navigatable with 
Voiceover. I think though, Slau, it was just that odd bug where 
sometimes it says no windows, and until you restart Voiceover, you 
can't regain control of the application.


I wonder what on earth's making it do that by the way.

Anyway, thanks for letting us know about FloTools. Is there a way 
we could manually back up the macros included and then just 
manually import them without the actual installer, or is that kind 
of more a pain in the arse than it's worth?


I'm just trying to think how things could be backed up and 
restored if needed. Like I say, fortunately, I have an image made 
of my Monterey install, so if I absolutely had to, I could go 
back, but right now, I don't see any need to do that.


Chris.

On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:14 PM, Slau Halatyn 
 wrote:


Hi George,

Yeah, that's a bit unfortunate because both Pro Tools and Flo 
Tools do not yet support Ventura. At least on the Ventura front, 
it's not a big issue. With flo Tools, the installer simply 
doesn't recognize Ventura as a valid OS. Hopefully, Rocco can 
chime in and help come up with a workaround. Stay tuned.


Slau


On Oct 25, 2022, at 10:05 PM, George Bitzer 
 wrote:


Hello my name is George Bitzer and I am new to Pro Tools. Maybe 
I shouldn't have but I upgraded to Mac OS Ventura. After doing 
so, after starting Pro Tools, I had to close and reopen 
Voiceover. I thought that the problem was Flow Tools and I 
uninstalled it using the uninstaller in the Flow Tools folder. 
When I tried to reinstall, I got the message, "OS variable name 
undefined." HELP!! Appologies for maybe being off topic.


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Re: Unable to reinstall Flow Tools

[Slau Halatyn]

Thanks for doing that so quickly, Rocco.

> On Oct 26, 2022, at 2:24 PM, Rocco Fiorentino  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> A Flo Tools installer for Ventura is now in the Dropbox. It’s called “Flo 
> Tools Temporary installer for Ventura” :) let me know if anyone has any 
> issues installing.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rocco
> 
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2022, at 1:14 PM, Christopher Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah... That sounds like a plan. Keep us posted. Smile. NO rush.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> BTW, I saw the other day you removed those Kontakt AAX test macros for 
>> Chris2 file out of the Dropbox. That's fine though as I do have it backed up 
>> here elsewhere.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> ---
>> Chris Gilland
>> 
>> Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/c/chrisgilland
>> On 10/26/2022 11:03 AM, Slau Halatyn wrote:
>>> I think we might do what we did once before and just post a temporary 
>>> installer in the Drop Box. stay tuned on that.
>>> Slau
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:49 PM, Chris Gilland  
  wrote:
 
 Yikes!
 
 Thank God I didn't do what Goerge did and uninstall it then, as I too 
 noticed the first time, PT didn't seem to be navigatable with Voiceover. I 
 think though, Slau, it was just that odd bug where sometimes it says no 
 windows, and until you restart Voiceover, you can't regain control of the 
 application.
 
 I wonder what on earth's making it do that by the way.
 
 Anyway, thanks for letting us know about FloTools. Is there a way we could 
 manually back up the macros included and then just manually import them 
 without the actual installer, or is that kind of more a pain in the arse 
 than it's worth?
 
 I'm just trying to think how things could be backed up and restored if 
 needed. Like I say, fortunately, I have an image made of my Monterey 
 install, so if I absolutely had to, I could go back, but right now, I 
 don't see any need to do that.
 
 Chris.
 
> On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:14 PM, Slau Halatyn  
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi George,
> 
> Yeah, that's a bit unfortunate because both Pro Tools and Flo Tools do 
> not yet support Ventura. At least on the Ventura front, it's not a big 
> issue. With flo Tools, the installer simply doesn't recognize Ventura as 
> a valid OS. Hopefully, Rocco can chime in and help come up with a 
> workaround. Stay tuned.
> 
> Slau
> 
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2022, at 10:05 PM, George Bitzer  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello my name is George Bitzer and I am new to Pro Tools. Maybe I 
>> shouldn't have but I upgraded to Mac OS Ventura. After doing so, after 
>> starting Pro Tools, I had to close and reopen Voiceover. I thought that 
>> the problem was Flow Tools and I uninstalled it using the uninstaller in 
>> the Flow Tools folder. When I tried to reinstall, I got the message, "OS 
>> variable name undefined." HELP!! Appologies for maybe being off topic.
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Re: Unable to reinstall Flow Tools

[George Bitzer]

> On Oct 26, 2022, at 1:24 PM, Rocco Fiorentino  
> wrote:Hi Rocco,
Sorry to be such a bother but I am new too ProTools and just trying to learn my 
way around.
Can you send the DropBox link for the FloTools temp install?
Much thanks1
George
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> A Flo Tools installer for Ventura is now in the Dropbox. It’s called “Flo 
> Tools Temporary installer for Ventura” :) let me know if anyone has any 
> issues installing.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rocco
> 
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2022, at 1:14 PM, Christopher Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah... That sounds like a plan. Keep us posted. Smile. NO rush.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> BTW, I saw the other day you removed those Kontakt AAX test macros for 
>> Chris2 file out of the Dropbox. That's fine though as I do have it backed up 
>> here elsewhere.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> ---
>> Chris Gilland
>> 
>> Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/c/chrisgilland
>> On 10/26/2022 11:03 AM, Slau Halatyn wrote:
>>> I think we might do what we did once before and just post a temporary 
>>> installer in the Drop Box. stay tuned on that.
>>> Slau
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:49 PM, Chris Gilland  
  wrote:
 
 Yikes!
 
 Thank God I didn't do what Goerge did and uninstall it then, as I too 
 noticed the first time, PT didn't seem to be navigatable with Voiceover. I 
 think though, Slau, it was just that odd bug where sometimes it says no 
 windows, and until you restart Voiceover, you can't regain control of the 
 application.
 
 I wonder what on earth's making it do that by the way.
 
 Anyway, thanks for letting us know about FloTools. Is there a way we could 
 manually back up the macros included and then just manually import them 
 without the actual installer, or is that kind of more a pain in the arse 
 than it's worth?
 
 I'm just trying to think how things could be backed up and restored if 
 needed. Like I say, fortunately, I have an image made of my Monterey 
 install, so if I absolutely had to, I could go back, but right now, I 
 don't see any need to do that.
 
 Chris.
 
> On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:14 PM, Slau Halatyn  
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi George,
> 
> Yeah, that's a bit unfortunate because both Pro Tools and Flo Tools do 
> not yet support Ventura. At least on the Ventura front, it's not a big 
> issue. With flo Tools, the installer simply doesn't recognize Ventura as 
> a valid OS. Hopefully, Rocco can chime in and help come up with a 
> workaround. Stay tuned.
> 
> Slau
> 
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2022, at 10:05 PM, George Bitzer  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello my name is George Bitzer and I am new to Pro Tools. Maybe I 
>> shouldn't have but I upgraded to Mac OS Ventura. After doing so, after 
>> starting Pro Tools, I had to close and reopen Voiceover. I thought that 
>> the problem was Flow Tools and I uninstalled it using the uninstaller in 
>> the Flow Tools folder. When I tried to reinstall, I got the message, "OS 
>> variable name undefined." HELP!! Appologies for maybe being off topic.
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Re: Unable to reinstall Flow Tools

[Rocco Fiorentino]

Hi all,

A Flo Tools installer for Ventura is now in the Dropbox. It’s called “Flo Tools 
Temporary installer for Ventura” :) let me know if anyone has any issues 
installing.

Best,

Rocco


> On Oct 26, 2022, at 1:14 PM, Christopher Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah... That sounds like a plan. Keep us posted. Smile. NO rush.
> 
> 
> 
> BTW, I saw the other day you removed those Kontakt AAX test macros for Chris2 
> file out of the Dropbox. That's fine though as I do have it backed up here 
> elsewhere.
> 
> 
> 
> Chris.
> 
> ---
> Chris Gilland
> 
> Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/c/chrisgilland 
> 
> On 10/26/2022 11:03 AM, Slau Halatyn wrote:
>> I think we might do what we did once before and just post a temporary 
>> installer in the Drop Box. stay tuned on that.
>> Slau
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:49 PM, Chris Gilland  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yikes!
>>> 
>>> Thank God I didn't do what Goerge did and uninstall it then, as I too 
>>> noticed the first time, PT didn't seem to be navigatable with Voiceover. I 
>>> think though, Slau, it was just that odd bug where sometimes it says no 
>>> windows, and until you restart Voiceover, you can't regain control of the 
>>> application.
>>> 
>>> I wonder what on earth's making it do that by the way.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, thanks for letting us know about FloTools. Is there a way we could 
>>> manually back up the macros included and then just manually import them 
>>> without the actual installer, or is that kind of more a pain in the arse 
>>> than it's worth?
>>> 
>>> I'm just trying to think how things could be backed up and restored if 
>>> needed. Like I say, fortunately, I have an image made of my Monterey 
>>> install, so if I absolutely had to, I could go back, but right now, I don't 
>>> see any need to do that.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
 On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:14 PM, Slau Halatyn  
  wrote:
 
 Hi George,
 
 Yeah, that's a bit unfortunate because both Pro Tools and Flo Tools do not 
 yet support Ventura. At least on the Ventura front, it's not a big issue. 
 With flo Tools, the installer simply doesn't recognize Ventura as a valid 
 OS. Hopefully, Rocco can chime in and help come up with a workaround. Stay 
 tuned.
 
 Slau
 
 
> On Oct 25, 2022, at 10:05 PM, George Bitzer  
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello my name is George Bitzer and I am new to Pro Tools. Maybe I 
> shouldn't have but I upgraded to Mac OS Ventura. After doing so, after 
> starting Pro Tools, I had to close and reopen Voiceover. I thought that 
> the problem was Flow Tools and I uninstalled it using the uninstaller in 
> the Flow Tools folder. When I tried to reinstall, I got the message, "OS 
> variable name undefined." HELP!! Appologies for maybe being off topic.
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Re: Unable to reinstall Flow Tools

[Christopher Gilland]

Did you make a time machine backup, or some sort of backup image of your 
drive/OS prior to upgrading?



If not, you still can go back, but you'll wind up losing all your data 
in the process.



You may could do a time machine backup from within Ventura and then 
downgrade, then remigrate after downgrading, though that could be a 
little bit risky, as not everything may correctly come back over. I mean 
it should, but you are restoring from a newer OS than you're migrating 
to, so God only knows. Basically, in a round about way, I'm saying yes, 
you can downgrade, but do so at your own risk, as your milage may vary 
drasticly.



Chris.

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On 10/26/2022 8:25 AM, George Bitzer wrote:

Hi Slau,
Much thanks! In the meantime, can I go back to the previous OS?

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 9:05:01 PM UTC-5 George Bitzer wrote:

Hello my name is George Bitzer and I am new to Pro Tools. Maybe I
shouldn't have but I upgraded to Mac OS Ventura. After doing so,
after starting Pro Tools, I had to close and reopen Voiceover. I
thought that the problem was Flow Tools and I uninstalled it using
the uninstaller in the Flow Tools folder. When I tried to
reinstall, I got the message, "OS variable name undefined." HELP!!
Appologies for maybe being off topic.

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Re: Unable to reinstall Flow Tools

[Christopher Gilland]

Yeah... That sounds like a plan. Keep us posted. Smile. NO rush.


BTW, I saw the other day you removed those Kontakt AAX test macros for 
Chris2 file out of the Dropbox. That's fine though as I do have it 
backed up here elsewhere.



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On 10/26/2022 11:03 AM, Slau Halatyn wrote:
I think we might do what we did once before and just post a temporary 
installer in the Drop Box. stay tuned on that.

Slau


On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:49 PM, Chris Gilland  
wrote:


Yikes!

Thank God I didn't do what Goerge did and uninstall it then, as I too 
noticed the first time, PT didn't seem to be navigatable with 
Voiceover. I think though, Slau, it was just that odd bug where 
sometimes it says no windows, and until you restart Voiceover, you 
can't regain control of the application.


I wonder what on earth's making it do that by the way.

Anyway, thanks for letting us know about FloTools. Is there a way we 
could manually back up the macros included and then just manually 
import them without the actual installer, or is that kind of more a 
pain in the arse than it's worth?


I'm just trying to think how things could be backed up and restored 
if needed. Like I say, fortunately, I have an image made of my 
Monterey install, so if I absolutely had to, I could go back, but 
right now, I don't see any need to do that.


Chris.

On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:14 PM, Slau Halatyn  
wrote:


Hi George,

Yeah, that's a bit unfortunate because both Pro Tools and Flo Tools 
do not yet support Ventura. At least on the Ventura front, it's not 
a big issue. With flo Tools, the installer simply doesn't recognize 
Ventura as a valid OS. Hopefully, Rocco can chime in and help come 
up with a workaround. Stay tuned.


Slau


On Oct 25, 2022, at 10:05 PM, George Bitzer  
wrote:


Hello my name is George Bitzer and I am new to Pro Tools. Maybe I 
shouldn't have but I upgraded to Mac OS Ventura. After doing so, 
after starting Pro Tools, I had to close and reopen Voiceover. I 
thought that the problem was Flow Tools and I uninstalled it using 
the uninstaller in the Flow Tools folder. When I tried to 
reinstall, I got the message, "OS variable name undefined." HELP!! 
Appologies for maybe being off topic.


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Re: Unable to reinstall Flow Tools

[Slau Halatyn]

I think we might do what we did once before and just post a temporary installer 
in the Drop Box. stay tuned on that.
Slau


> On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:49 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
> Yikes!
> 
> Thank God I didn't do what Goerge did and uninstall it then, as I too noticed 
> the first time, PT didn't seem to be navigatable with Voiceover. I think 
> though, Slau, it was just that odd bug where sometimes it says no windows, 
> and until you restart Voiceover, you can't regain control of the application.
> 
> I wonder what on earth's making it do that by the way.
> 
> Anyway, thanks for letting us know about FloTools. Is there a way we could 
> manually back up the macros included and then just manually import them 
> without the actual installer, or is that kind of more a pain in the arse than 
> it's worth?
> 
> I'm just trying to think how things could be backed up and restored if 
> needed. Like I say, fortunately, I have an image made of my Monterey install, 
> so if I absolutely had to, I could go back, but right now, I don't see any 
> need to do that.
> 
> Chris.
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:14 PM, Slau Halatyn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi George,
>> 
>> Yeah, that's a bit unfortunate because both Pro Tools and Flo Tools do not 
>> yet support Ventura. At least on the Ventura front, it's not a big issue. 
>> With flo Tools, the installer simply doesn't recognize Ventura as a valid 
>> OS. Hopefully, Rocco can chime in and help come up with a workaround. Stay 
>> tuned.
>> 
>> Slau
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2022, at 10:05 PM, George Bitzer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello my name is George Bitzer and I am new to Pro Tools. Maybe I shouldn't 
>>> have but I upgraded to Mac OS Ventura. After doing so, after starting Pro 
>>> Tools, I had to close and reopen Voiceover. I thought that the problem was 
>>> Flow Tools and I uninstalled it using the uninstaller in the Flow Tools 
>>> folder. When I tried to reinstall, I got the message, "OS variable name 
>>> undefined." HELP!! Appologies for maybe being off topic.
>>> 
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Re: Unable to reinstall Flow Tools

[George Bitzer]

Hi Slau,
Much thanks! In the meantime, can I go back to the previous OS?

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 9:05:01 PM UTC-5 George Bitzer wrote:

> Hello my name is George Bitzer and I am new to Pro Tools. Maybe I 
> shouldn't have but I upgraded to Mac OS Ventura. After doing so, after 
> starting Pro Tools, I had to close and reopen Voiceover. I thought that the 
> problem was Flow Tools and I uninstalled it using the uninstaller in the 
> Flow Tools folder. When I tried to reinstall, I got the message, "OS 
> variable name undefined." HELP!! Appologies for maybe being off topic.

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Re: Unable to reinstall Flow Tools

[Chris Gilland]

Yikes!

Thank God I didn't do what Goerge did and uninstall it then, as I too noticed 
the first time, PT didn't seem to be navigatable with Voiceover. I think 
though, Slau, it was just that odd bug where sometimes it says no windows, and 
until you restart Voiceover, you can't regain control of the application.

I wonder what on earth's making it do that by the way.

Anyway, thanks for letting us know about FloTools. Is there a way we could 
manually back up the macros included and then just manually import them without 
the actual installer, or is that kind of more a pain in the arse than it's 
worth?

I'm just trying to think how things could be backed up and restored if needed. 
Like I say, fortunately, I have an image made of my Monterey install, so if I 
absolutely had to, I could go back, but right now, I don't see any need to do 
that.

Chris.

> On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:14 PM, Slau Halatyn  wrote:
> 
> Hi George,
> 
> Yeah, that's a bit unfortunate because both Pro Tools and Flo Tools do not 
> yet support Ventura. At least on the Ventura front, it's not a big issue. 
> With flo Tools, the installer simply doesn't recognize Ventura as a valid OS. 
> Hopefully, Rocco can chime in and help come up with a workaround. Stay tuned.
> 
> Slau
> 
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2022, at 10:05 PM, George Bitzer  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello my name is George Bitzer and I am new to Pro Tools. Maybe I shouldn't 
>> have but I upgraded to Mac OS Ventura. After doing so, after starting Pro 
>> Tools, I had to close and reopen Voiceover. I thought that the problem was 
>> Flow Tools and I uninstalled it using the uninstaller in the Flow Tools 
>> folder. When I tried to reinstall, I got the message, "OS variable name 
>> undefined." HELP!! Appologies for maybe being off topic.
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Re: Unable to reinstall Flow Tools

[Chris Gilland]

Slau,

I was about to actually try the actions rotor. That was literally the very next 
thing I had in mind. Go figure! ROFL! That's hillarious. - The one thing I 
didn't try.

So now that I understand, I appreciate it. I don't have time right now this 
evening, but I promise to retract the comment up on Applevis I posted stating 
this is a bug. I won't reference your name or any of the quoted message from 
you, don't worry. I'll just try deleting my comment altogether, and if that 
doesn't work, I'll reach out to admins and have them pull it.

Chris.

PS: Thank you tremendously for your help.

> On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:21 PM, Slau Halatyn  wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> The way Pro Tools is behaving in Ventura is actually the way it should from 
> the standpoint of VoiceOver. Command-clicking selects non-contiguous tracks 
> and Shift-clicking (or using Shift with the Control+P/Semicolon selects 
> consecutive tracks. VoiceOver users have had the unusual benefit of being 
> able to select multiple tracks by purely performing the default action with 
> VO+Space. It's the way the Pro Tools UI works for sighted users. We've always 
> tried to have parity with sighted users and this is an example of what that 
> involves. It might feel like a bug but technically it's not. BTW, you can 
> bring up the Action Menu on a track and choose to "press " the track and it 
> will simply add it to the selection.
> 
> Slau
> 
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2022, at 10:26 PM, Christopher Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If you don't mind me asking, I don't mean to hijack your thread, so you can 
>> just answer this and then we'll move on, but I'm really curious, as you're 
>> the only other person I know who's outwardly admitted that they updated to 
>> Ventura prior to PT being officially supported..
>> 
>> 
>> When you have multiple tracks in the track list table at a time, what 
>> happens, regardless FloTools being installed or not, if you try selecting 
>> the first track in the table at the very top, then VO+down arrow to the next 
>> track in the list, and then hit VO+Space? Do you find like me it's really 
>> acting totally F***ed up, and is selecting that next track but not leaving 
>> the other one selected as it should?
>> 
>> 
>> I can command+click on each track to select or unselect them individually, 
>> and yeah, CTRL+semi colon, and CTRL+P do work, and also adding shift with 
>> those shortcuts works as well, but doing it the old fassion way by literally 
>> going into the table and VO+spacing on tracks to toggle them is totally 
>> totally totally! busted on my end.
>> 
>> 
>> So far, I'm not seeming to have any other show stopping issues, but then, 
>> I've not really done much with PT since upgrading yesterday, so nightmares 
>> may yet to be discovered. I hope and pray not though. I do however have a 
>> time machine backup, and a bootable USB drive of Monterey, so if worst comes 
>> to worst, I'm not totally screwed. I'd rather not go back, but I will if I 
>> absolutely absolutely must.
>> 
>> 
>> Chris.
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Re: Unable to reinstall Flow Tools

[Slau Halatyn]

Chris,
The way Pro Tools is behaving in Ventura is actually the way it should from the 
standpoint of VoiceOver. Command-clicking selects non-contiguous tracks and 
Shift-clicking (or using Shift with the Control+P/Semicolon selects consecutive 
tracks. VoiceOver users have had the unusual benefit of being able to select 
multiple tracks by purely performing the default action with VO+Space. It's the 
way the Pro Tools UI works for sighted users. We've always tried to have parity 
with sighted users and this is an example of what that involves. It might feel 
like a bug but technically it's not. BTW, you can bring up the Action Menu on a 
track and choose to "press " the track and it will simply add it to the 
selection.

Slau


> On Oct 25, 2022, at 10:26 PM, Christopher Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> If you don't mind me asking, I don't mean to hijack your thread, so you can 
> just answer this and then we'll move on, but I'm really curious, as you're 
> the only other person I know who's outwardly admitted that they updated to 
> Ventura prior to PT being officially supported..
> 
> 
> When you have multiple tracks in the track list table at a time, what 
> happens, regardless FloTools being installed or not, if you try selecting the 
> first track in the table at the very top, then VO+down arrow to the next 
> track in the list, and then hit VO+Space? Do you find like me it's really 
> acting totally F***ed up, and is selecting that next track but not leaving 
> the other one selected as it should?
> 
> 
> I can command+click on each track to select or unselect them individually, 
> and yeah, CTRL+semi colon, and CTRL+P do work, and also adding shift with 
> those shortcuts works as well, but doing it the old fassion way by literally 
> going into the table and VO+spacing on tracks to toggle them is totally 
> totally totally! busted on my end.
> 
> 
> So far, I'm not seeming to have any other show stopping issues, but then, 
> I've not really done much with PT since upgrading yesterday, so nightmares 
> may yet to be discovered. I hope and pray not though. I do however have a 
> time machine backup, and a bootable USB drive of Monterey, so if worst comes 
> to worst, I'm not totally screwed. I'd rather not go back, but I will if I 
> absolutely absolutely must.
> 
> 
> Chris.
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Re: Unable to reinstall Flow Tools

[Slau Halatyn]

Hi George,

Yeah, that's a bit unfortunate because both Pro Tools and Flo Tools do not yet 
support Ventura. At least on the Ventura front, it's not a big issue. With flo 
Tools, the installer simply doesn't recognize Ventura as a valid OS. Hopefully, 
Rocco can chime in and help come up with a workaround. Stay tuned.

Slau


> On Oct 25, 2022, at 10:05 PM, George Bitzer  wrote:
> 
> Hello my name is George Bitzer and I am new to Pro Tools. Maybe I shouldn't 
> have but I upgraded to Mac OS Ventura. After doing so, after starting Pro 
> Tools, I had to close and reopen Voiceover. I thought that the problem was 
> Flow Tools and I uninstalled it using the uninstaller in the Flow Tools 
> folder. When I tried to reinstall, I got the message, "OS variable name 
> undefined." HELP!! Appologies for maybe being off topic.
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Re: Unable to reinstall Flow Tools

[Christopher Gilland]

If you don't mind me asking, I don't mean to hijack your thread, so you 
can just answer this and then we'll move on, but I'm really curious, as 
you're the only other person I know who's outwardly admitted that they 
updated to Ventura prior to PT being officially supported..



When you have multiple tracks in the track list table at a time, what 
happens, regardless FloTools being installed or not, if you try 
selecting the first track in the table at the very top, then VO+down 
arrow to the next track in the list, and then hit VO+Space? Do you find 
like me it's really acting totally F***ed up, and is selecting that next 
track but not leaving the other one selected as it should?



I can command+click on each track to select or unselect them 
individually, and yeah, CTRL+semi colon, and CTRL+P do work, and also 
adding shift with those shortcuts works as well, but doing it the old 
fassion way by literally going into the table and VO+spacing on tracks 
to toggle them is totally totally totally! busted on my end.



So far, I'm not seeming to have any other show stopping issues, but 
then, I've not really done much with PT since upgrading yesterday, so 
nightmares may yet to be discovered. I hope and pray not though. I do 
however have a time machine backup, and a bootable USB drive of 
Monterey, so if worst comes to worst, I'm not totally screwed. I'd 
rather not go back, but I will if I absolutely absolutely must.



Chris.

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Unable to reinstall Flow Tools

[George Bitzer]

Hello my name is George Bitzer and I am new to Pro Tools. Maybe I shouldn't 
have but I upgraded to Mac OS Ventura. After doing so, after starting Pro 
Tools, I had to close and reopen Voiceover. I thought that the problem was 
Flow Tools and I uninstalled it using the uninstaller in the Flow Tools 
folder. When I tried to reinstall, I got the message, "OS variable name 
undefined." HELP!! Appologies for maybe being off topic.

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