Updates on ISWC 2011
Hi Everybody, Just wanted to share 5 things about ISWC 2011 1) The program is ready! Check it out: http://iswc2011.semanticweb.org/program/ 2) We will be hosting a very cool panel: Semantic Web Death Match 2011: Industry vs Academia vs Standards. The panelist will be Michael Hausenblas, Martin Hepp, Ian Horrocks and Chris Welty. Jim Hendler will be the moderator. You don't want to miss this! 3) If you are planning to submit to the Outrageous Track ( http://iswc2011.semanticweb.org/calls/outrageous-ideas-track/), the deadline is this Friday, Sept 23. 4) The deadline for the Semantic Web Challenge is September 30. 5) We will be organizing the Linked Data-a-thon which is a hackathon style event that starts on Oct 1 and goes till Oct 15. More details: http://iswc2011.semanticweb.org/calls/linked-data-a-thon/ Looking forward to seeing a lot of people in Bonn! Juan Sequeda +1-575-SEQ-UEDA www.juansequeda.com
Re: [foaf-protocols] How to make an idea popular
On 9/19/11 3:12 PM, Adam Saltiel wrote: Inevitable that usage will grow substantially. Who and how is far from clear. I will not rehearse scenarios. An interesting metric would be the ratio kb of data that could be reasoned over by a reasoner that takes heterogeneous data input (to tackle the various format issue) against HTML/XML. Clearly the ratio is in favour of HTML at the moment. Remember, courtesy of Schema.org (Google, Yahoo!, and Microsoft) and Facebook (Open Graph and Graph API), HTML resources hosting structured data islands (with directed graph based representation) are already on an exponential curve :-) Kingsley Br Adam Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2011, at 15:18, Patrick Durusau wrote: Adam, On 9/19/2011 9:29 AM, Adam Saltiel wrote: I didn't follow the links yet. But I'm sure Kingsley means popular such as to gain traction and wide spread use. This does seem inevitable. It is just that it has been a bit slow. Why "inevitable?" People make their webpages available b/c the benefit of being "heard" by a wider audience is worth the cost of admission. The cost/benefit picture for creating RDF for the consumption of others isn't as clear. The HTML involved very minimal effort in order to participate. Perhaps a useful question to consider would be comparing the effort in the average webpage versus Linked Data or RDF or RDFa? Such a study may already exist and if so, I would appreciate a reference to it. Hope you are at the start of a great week! Patrick Am I right that algorithmic based social networks intervened in what might have been a more straight forward uptake? I think we need to be clearer about the differences between machine curation on the basis of algorithms run on huge data sets and machine curation on the basis of type categories. We need to know the both the means and intentional ends of both approaches. Br Adam Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2011, at 02:49, Patrick Durusau wrote: Kingsley, An idea being "popular" doesn't mean that it is feasible or even desirable. Fascism for example. Quite popular a number of times in history. Hope you are at the start of a great week! Patrick On 09/18/2011 03:19 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 9/18/11 8:35 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action.html Enjoy! :) ___ foaf-protocols mailing list foaf-protoc...@lists.foaf-project.org http://lists.foaf-project.org/mailman/listinfo/foaf-protocols Amen! cc. some other mailing lists where members continue to be challenged about uptake of at least one of the following: 1. Linked Data 2. Semantic Web Project deliverables and their adoption beyond niches. -- Patrick Durusau patr...@durusau.net Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net Homepage: http://www.durusau.net Twitter: patrickDurusau -- Patrick Durusau patr...@durusau.net Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net Homepage: http://www.durusau.net Twitter: patrickDurusau -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President& CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [foaf-protocols] How to make an idea popular
Inevitable that usage will grow substantially. Who and how is far from clear. I will not rehearse scenarios. An interesting metric would be the ratio kb of data that could be reasoned over by a reasoner that takes heterogeneous data input (to tackle the various format issue) against HTML/XML. Clearly the ratio is in favour of HTML at the moment. Br Adam Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2011, at 15:18, Patrick Durusau wrote: > Adam, > > On 9/19/2011 9:29 AM, Adam Saltiel wrote: >> I didn't follow the links yet. But I'm sure Kingsley means popular such as >> to gain traction and wide spread use. This does seem inevitable. It is just >> that it has been a bit slow. > Why "inevitable?" > > People make their webpages available b/c the benefit of being "heard" by a > wider audience is worth the cost of admission. > > The cost/benefit picture for creating RDF for the consumption of others isn't > as clear. > > The HTML involved very minimal effort in order to participate. > > Perhaps a useful question to consider would be comparing the effort in the > average webpage versus Linked Data or RDF or RDFa? > > Such a study may already exist and if so, I would appreciate a reference to > it. > > Hope you are at the start of a great week! > > Patrick > > >> Am I right that algorithmic based social networks intervened in what might >> have been a more straight forward uptake? >> I think we need to be clearer about the differences between machine curation >> on the basis of algorithms run on huge data sets and machine curation on the >> basis of type categories. >> We need to know the both the means and intentional ends of both approaches. >> Br >> >> Adam >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 19 Sep 2011, at 02:49, Patrick Durusau wrote: >> >>> Kingsley, >>> >>> An idea being "popular" doesn't mean that it is feasible or even desirable. >>> >>> Fascism for example. Quite popular a number of times in history. >>> >>> Hope you are at the start of a great week! >>> >>> Patrick >>> >>> >>> >>> On 09/18/2011 03:19 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 9/18/11 8:35 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: > http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action.html > > Enjoy! :) > ___ > foaf-protocols mailing list > foaf-protoc...@lists.foaf-project.org > http://lists.foaf-project.org/mailman/listinfo/foaf-protocols > Amen! cc. some other mailing lists where members continue to be challenged about uptake of at least one of the following: 1. Linked Data 2. Semantic Web Project deliverables and their adoption beyond niches. >>> >>> -- >>> Patrick Durusau >>> patr...@durusau.net >>> Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 >>> Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) >>> Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 >>> Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) >>> >>> Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net >>> Homepage: http://www.durusau.net >>> Twitter: patrickDurusau >>> >>> > > -- > Patrick Durusau > patr...@durusau.net > Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 > Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) > Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 > Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) > > Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net > Homepage: http://www.durusau.net > Twitter: patrickDurusau >
Re: [foaf-protocols] How to make an idea popular
On 9/19/11 10:18 AM, Patrick Durusau wrote: Why "inevitable?" People make their webpages available b/c the benefit of being "heard" by a wider audience is worth the cost of admission. Because everyone will soon realize that they can *map* structured data (in a variety of shapes and forms) to a conceptual schema that's syntax and serialization format agnostic i.e., based on logic. It isn't about RDF, specifically. It's all about the ability to access, represent, integrate, index, and query fine grained data objects at InterWeb scale and/or across enterprises. That's an inevitability simply because that's why we actually use computers. Syntax wars are just an unfortunate distraction. Long live URIs, HTTP, and 3-tuples (triples or triads)! "David Wheeler goes: All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection;[1] this is often deliberately mis-quoted with "abstraction layer" substituted for "level of indirection". Kevlin Henney's corollary to this is, "...except for the problem of too many layers of indirection." Links: 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indirection -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President& CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
New LOD Cloud Diagram and Data Set Statistics published
Hi all, we are happy to announce the publication of a new version of the Linking Open Data (LOD) Cloud diagram. You can find the September 2011 version of the cloud at http://lod-cloud.net along with a colored version and various formats. Thanks a lot to everybody who contributed to the creation of the diagram by providing and updating the meta-information about the data sets on the Data Hub (http://thedatahub.org , formerly known as CKAN)! Altogether, we have received sufficient metadata to include 311 datasets into the lodcloud group on the Data Hub. 295 of those form a connected cloud and are shown in the new diagram. The data sets in the LOD cloud consist of over 31 billion RDF triples and are interlinked by around 504 million RDF links. We are also happy to release new statistics about the structure of the LOD cloud as well as the compliance of the data sets in the cloud with the Linked Data best practices. These statistics can be found at http://lod-cloud.net/state. If you publish a Linked Data set yourself, please add it to the Data Hub so that we can include it in the next release of the LOD cloud diagram. Cheers, Anja, Richard and Chris
Re: [foaf-protocols] How to make an idea popular
Adam, On 9/19/2011 9:29 AM, Adam Saltiel wrote: I didn't follow the links yet. But I'm sure Kingsley means popular such as to gain traction and wide spread use. This does seem inevitable. It is just that it has been a bit slow. Why "inevitable?" People make their webpages available b/c the benefit of being "heard" by a wider audience is worth the cost of admission. The cost/benefit picture for creating RDF for the consumption of others isn't as clear. The HTML involved very minimal effort in order to participate. Perhaps a useful question to consider would be comparing the effort in the average webpage versus Linked Data or RDF or RDFa? Such a study may already exist and if so, I would appreciate a reference to it. Hope you are at the start of a great week! Patrick Am I right that algorithmic based social networks intervened in what might have been a more straight forward uptake? I think we need to be clearer about the differences between machine curation on the basis of algorithms run on huge data sets and machine curation on the basis of type categories. We need to know the both the means and intentional ends of both approaches. Br Adam Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2011, at 02:49, Patrick Durusau wrote: Kingsley, An idea being "popular" doesn't mean that it is feasible or even desirable. Fascism for example. Quite popular a number of times in history. Hope you are at the start of a great week! Patrick On 09/18/2011 03:19 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 9/18/11 8:35 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action.html Enjoy! :) ___ foaf-protocols mailing list foaf-protoc...@lists.foaf-project.org http://lists.foaf-project.org/mailman/listinfo/foaf-protocols Amen! cc. some other mailing lists where members continue to be challenged about uptake of at least one of the following: 1. Linked Data 2. Semantic Web Project deliverables and their adoption beyond niches. -- Patrick Durusau patr...@durusau.net Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net Homepage: http://www.durusau.net Twitter: patrickDurusau -- Patrick Durusau patr...@durusau.net Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net Homepage: http://www.durusau.net Twitter: patrickDurusau
Re: [foaf-protocols] How to make an idea popular
I didn't follow the links yet. But I'm sure Kingsley means popular such as to gain traction and wide spread use. This does seem inevitable. It is just that it has been a bit slow. Am I right that algorithmic based social networks intervened in what might have been a more straight forward uptake? I think we need to be clearer about the differences between machine curation on the basis of algorithms run on huge data sets and machine curation on the basis of type categories. We need to know the both the means and intentional ends of both approaches. Br Adam Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2011, at 02:49, Patrick Durusau wrote: > Kingsley, > > An idea being "popular" doesn't mean that it is feasible or even desirable. > > Fascism for example. Quite popular a number of times in history. > > Hope you are at the start of a great week! > > Patrick > > > > On 09/18/2011 03:19 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: >> On 9/18/11 8:35 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: >>> http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action.html >>> >>> Enjoy! :) >>> ___ >>> foaf-protocols mailing list >>> foaf-protoc...@lists.foaf-project.org >>> http://lists.foaf-project.org/mailman/listinfo/foaf-protocols >>> >> Amen! >> >> cc. some other mailing lists where members continue to be challenged about >> uptake of at least one of the following: >> >> 1. Linked Data >> 2. Semantic Web Project deliverables and their adoption beyond niches. >> >> > > > -- > Patrick Durusau > patr...@durusau.net > Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 > Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) > Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 > Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) > > Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net > Homepage: http://www.durusau.net > Twitter: patrickDurusau > >
Re: [foaf-protocols] How to make an idea popular
On 9/18/11 9:49 PM, Patrick Durusau wrote: Kingsley, An idea being "popular" doesn't mean that it is feasible or even desirable. Fascism for example. Quite popular a number of times in history. Hope you are at the start of a great week! Patrick Patrick, I did a reply and cc. on a post by Melvin with sharing across relevant mailing list in mind. I am not a believer in "popular" as a defining metric for anything. That said, I do believe profoundly in the underlying importance of "Why" when introducing new ideas and technology innovations. Kingsley On 09/18/2011 03:19 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 9/18/11 8:35 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action.html Enjoy! :) ___ foaf-protocols mailing list foaf-protoc...@lists.foaf-project.org http://lists.foaf-project.org/mailman/listinfo/foaf-protocols Amen! cc. some other mailing lists where members continue to be challenged about uptake of at least one of the following: 1. Linked Data 2. Semantic Web Project deliverables and their adoption beyond niches. -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President& CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
