Re: [foaf-protocols] How to make an idea popular
On 9/18/11 9:49 PM, Patrick Durusau wrote: Kingsley, An idea being popular doesn't mean that it is feasible or even desirable. Fascism for example. Quite popular a number of times in history. Hope you are at the start of a great week! Patrick Patrick, I did a reply and cc. on a post by Melvin with sharing across relevant mailing list in mind. I am not a believer in popular as a defining metric for anything. That said, I do believe profoundly in the underlying importance of Why when introducing new ideas and technology innovations. Kingsley On 09/18/2011 03:19 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 9/18/11 8:35 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action.html Enjoy! :) ___ foaf-protocols mailing list foaf-protoc...@lists.foaf-project.org http://lists.foaf-project.org/mailman/listinfo/foaf-protocols Amen! cc. some other mailing lists where members continue to be challenged about uptake of at least one of the following: 1. Linked Data 2. Semantic Web Project deliverables and their adoption beyond niches. -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [foaf-protocols] How to make an idea popular
I didn't follow the links yet. But I'm sure Kingsley means popular such as to gain traction and wide spread use. This does seem inevitable. It is just that it has been a bit slow. Am I right that algorithmic based social networks intervened in what might have been a more straight forward uptake? I think we need to be clearer about the differences between machine curation on the basis of algorithms run on huge data sets and machine curation on the basis of type categories. We need to know the both the means and intentional ends of both approaches. Br Adam Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2011, at 02:49, Patrick Durusau patr...@durusau.net wrote: Kingsley, An idea being popular doesn't mean that it is feasible or even desirable. Fascism for example. Quite popular a number of times in history. Hope you are at the start of a great week! Patrick On 09/18/2011 03:19 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 9/18/11 8:35 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action.html Enjoy! :) ___ foaf-protocols mailing list foaf-protoc...@lists.foaf-project.org http://lists.foaf-project.org/mailman/listinfo/foaf-protocols Amen! cc. some other mailing lists where members continue to be challenged about uptake of at least one of the following: 1. Linked Data 2. Semantic Web Project deliverables and their adoption beyond niches. -- Patrick Durusau patr...@durusau.net Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net Homepage: http://www.durusau.net Twitter: patrickDurusau
Re: [foaf-protocols] How to make an idea popular
Adam, On 9/19/2011 9:29 AM, Adam Saltiel wrote: I didn't follow the links yet. But I'm sure Kingsley means popular such as to gain traction and wide spread use. This does seem inevitable. It is just that it has been a bit slow. Why inevitable? People make their webpages available b/c the benefit of being heard by a wider audience is worth the cost of admission. The cost/benefit picture for creating RDF for the consumption of others isn't as clear. The HTML involved very minimal effort in order to participate. Perhaps a useful question to consider would be comparing the effort in the average webpage versus Linked Data or RDF or RDFa? Such a study may already exist and if so, I would appreciate a reference to it. Hope you are at the start of a great week! Patrick Am I right that algorithmic based social networks intervened in what might have been a more straight forward uptake? I think we need to be clearer about the differences between machine curation on the basis of algorithms run on huge data sets and machine curation on the basis of type categories. We need to know the both the means and intentional ends of both approaches. Br Adam Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2011, at 02:49, Patrick Durusaupatr...@durusau.net wrote: Kingsley, An idea being popular doesn't mean that it is feasible or even desirable. Fascism for example. Quite popular a number of times in history. Hope you are at the start of a great week! Patrick On 09/18/2011 03:19 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 9/18/11 8:35 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action.html Enjoy! :) ___ foaf-protocols mailing list foaf-protoc...@lists.foaf-project.org http://lists.foaf-project.org/mailman/listinfo/foaf-protocols Amen! cc. some other mailing lists where members continue to be challenged about uptake of at least one of the following: 1. Linked Data 2. Semantic Web Project deliverables and their adoption beyond niches. -- Patrick Durusau patr...@durusau.net Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net Homepage: http://www.durusau.net Twitter: patrickDurusau -- Patrick Durusau patr...@durusau.net Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net Homepage: http://www.durusau.net Twitter: patrickDurusau
Re: [foaf-protocols] How to make an idea popular
On 9/19/11 10:18 AM, Patrick Durusau wrote: Why inevitable? People make their webpages available b/c the benefit of being heard by a wider audience is worth the cost of admission. Because everyone will soon realize that they can *map* structured data (in a variety of shapes and forms) to a conceptual schema that's syntax and serialization format agnostic i.e., based on logic. It isn't about RDF, specifically. It's all about the ability to access, represent, integrate, index, and query fine grained data objects at InterWeb scale and/or across enterprises. That's an inevitability simply because that's why we actually use computers. Syntax wars are just an unfortunate distraction. Long live URIs, HTTP, and 3-tuples (triples or triads)! David Wheeler goes: All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection;[1] this is often deliberately mis-quoted with abstraction layer substituted for level of indirection. Kevlin Henney's corollary to this is, ...except for the problem of too many layers of indirection. Links: 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indirection -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [foaf-protocols] How to make an idea popular
Inevitable that usage will grow substantially. Who and how is far from clear. I will not rehearse scenarios. An interesting metric would be the ratio kb of data that could be reasoned over by a reasoner that takes heterogeneous data input (to tackle the various format issue) against HTML/XML. Clearly the ratio is in favour of HTML at the moment. Br Adam Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2011, at 15:18, Patrick Durusau patr...@durusau.net wrote: Adam, On 9/19/2011 9:29 AM, Adam Saltiel wrote: I didn't follow the links yet. But I'm sure Kingsley means popular such as to gain traction and wide spread use. This does seem inevitable. It is just that it has been a bit slow. Why inevitable? People make their webpages available b/c the benefit of being heard by a wider audience is worth the cost of admission. The cost/benefit picture for creating RDF for the consumption of others isn't as clear. The HTML involved very minimal effort in order to participate. Perhaps a useful question to consider would be comparing the effort in the average webpage versus Linked Data or RDF or RDFa? Such a study may already exist and if so, I would appreciate a reference to it. Hope you are at the start of a great week! Patrick Am I right that algorithmic based social networks intervened in what might have been a more straight forward uptake? I think we need to be clearer about the differences between machine curation on the basis of algorithms run on huge data sets and machine curation on the basis of type categories. We need to know the both the means and intentional ends of both approaches. Br Adam Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2011, at 02:49, Patrick Durusaupatr...@durusau.net wrote: Kingsley, An idea being popular doesn't mean that it is feasible or even desirable. Fascism for example. Quite popular a number of times in history. Hope you are at the start of a great week! Patrick On 09/18/2011 03:19 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 9/18/11 8:35 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action.html Enjoy! :) ___ foaf-protocols mailing list foaf-protoc...@lists.foaf-project.org http://lists.foaf-project.org/mailman/listinfo/foaf-protocols Amen! cc. some other mailing lists where members continue to be challenged about uptake of at least one of the following: 1. Linked Data 2. Semantic Web Project deliverables and their adoption beyond niches. -- Patrick Durusau patr...@durusau.net Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net Homepage: http://www.durusau.net Twitter: patrickDurusau -- Patrick Durusau patr...@durusau.net Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net Homepage: http://www.durusau.net Twitter: patrickDurusau
Re: [foaf-protocols] How to make an idea popular
On 9/19/11 3:12 PM, Adam Saltiel wrote: Inevitable that usage will grow substantially. Who and how is far from clear. I will not rehearse scenarios. An interesting metric would be the ratio kb of data that could be reasoned over by a reasoner that takes heterogeneous data input (to tackle the various format issue) against HTML/XML. Clearly the ratio is in favour of HTML at the moment. Remember, courtesy of Schema.org (Google, Yahoo!, and Microsoft) and Facebook (Open Graph and Graph API), HTML resources hosting structured data islands (with directed graph based representation) are already on an exponential curve :-) Kingsley Br Adam Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2011, at 15:18, Patrick Durusaupatr...@durusau.net wrote: Adam, On 9/19/2011 9:29 AM, Adam Saltiel wrote: I didn't follow the links yet. But I'm sure Kingsley means popular such as to gain traction and wide spread use. This does seem inevitable. It is just that it has been a bit slow. Why inevitable? People make their webpages available b/c the benefit of being heard by a wider audience is worth the cost of admission. The cost/benefit picture for creating RDF for the consumption of others isn't as clear. The HTML involved very minimal effort in order to participate. Perhaps a useful question to consider would be comparing the effort in the average webpage versus Linked Data or RDF or RDFa? Such a study may already exist and if so, I would appreciate a reference to it. Hope you are at the start of a great week! Patrick Am I right that algorithmic based social networks intervened in what might have been a more straight forward uptake? I think we need to be clearer about the differences between machine curation on the basis of algorithms run on huge data sets and machine curation on the basis of type categories. We need to know the both the means and intentional ends of both approaches. Br Adam Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2011, at 02:49, Patrick Durusaupatr...@durusau.net wrote: Kingsley, An idea being popular doesn't mean that it is feasible or even desirable. Fascism for example. Quite popular a number of times in history. Hope you are at the start of a great week! Patrick On 09/18/2011 03:19 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 9/18/11 8:35 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action.html Enjoy! :) ___ foaf-protocols mailing list foaf-protoc...@lists.foaf-project.org http://lists.foaf-project.org/mailman/listinfo/foaf-protocols Amen! cc. some other mailing lists where members continue to be challenged about uptake of at least one of the following: 1. Linked Data 2. Semantic Web Project deliverables and their adoption beyond niches. -- Patrick Durusau patr...@durusau.net Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net Homepage: http://www.durusau.net Twitter: patrickDurusau -- Patrick Durusau patr...@durusau.net Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net Homepage: http://www.durusau.net Twitter: patrickDurusau -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [foaf-protocols] How to make an idea popular
On 9/18/11 8:35 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action.html Enjoy! :) ___ foaf-protocols mailing list foaf-protoc...@lists.foaf-project.org http://lists.foaf-project.org/mailman/listinfo/foaf-protocols Amen! cc. some other mailing lists where members continue to be challenged about uptake of at least one of the following: 1. Linked Data 2. Semantic Web Project deliverables and their adoption beyond niches. -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [foaf-protocols] How to make an idea popular
Kingsley, An idea being popular doesn't mean that it is feasible or even desirable. Fascism for example. Quite popular a number of times in history. Hope you are at the start of a great week! Patrick On 09/18/2011 03:19 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 9/18/11 8:35 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action.html Enjoy! :) ___ foaf-protocols mailing list foaf-protoc...@lists.foaf-project.org http://lists.foaf-project.org/mailman/listinfo/foaf-protocols Amen! cc. some other mailing lists where members continue to be challenged about uptake of at least one of the following: 1. Linked Data 2. Semantic Web Project deliverables and their adoption beyond niches. -- Patrick Durusau patr...@durusau.net Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net Homepage: http://www.durusau.net Twitter: patrickDurusau
