Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Multiple packages installation in one yum call
On 01/18/2011 03:06 PM, Avi Miller wrote: > Mike Lococo wrote: >> 2) Use the yum-driven options *AND* run your own satellite server so you >> can ping it as often as you like. > > You don't need a Satellite Server for this, just a plain Yum server will > do, which is essentially just httpd + createrepo for RHEL5. This is > about 2 seconds worth of work. You can then send down a custom Yum > repository configuration with the Yumrepo[] type, something that is > unique in Puppet to RHEL-based systems. I don't follow this. RedHat doesn't make binary packages available, so what do you fill your yum repo with? Also, I definitely understand that there are ways to work around this bug. But there's also clearly interest in getting it fixed, as evidenced by a community-submitted patch, and interest in using the feature if/when its released as evidence by the number of folks who have reported it and by the strong feelings in this thread. > I couldn't imagine doing any RPM package installation with an RPM type. > Everything should come down from a Yum server, if only for version and > dependency management. We have been discussing the yum provider all along, it makes use of the rpm command for certain operations. For example, rpm is used implement "ensure => absent" package removals, and I believe also to check whether the package is installed before running yum when "ensure => present" is specified. Using rpm for these operations is good because it saves unnecessary load on the yum server. However, without batched transactions some packages cannot be removed without specifying "ensure => purged" and incurring the yum hit for every puppet-run, and then using one of the workarounds I previously discussed to avoid getting blacklisted by RedHat. Plus the performance of one-yum-run per package is terrible, both in terms of long puppet-runs and load on the yum-server. Regards, Mike Lococo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Multiple packages installation in one yum call
Mike Lococo wrote: 2) Use the yum-driven options *AND* run your own satellite server so you can ping it as often as you like. You don't need a Satellite Server for this, just a plain Yum server will do, which is essentially just httpd + createrepo for RHEL5. This is about 2 seconds worth of work. You can then send down a custom Yum repository configuration with the Yumrepo[] type, something that is unique in Puppet to RHEL-based systems. In fact, I find that Puppet supports RHEL-based system best, as it has the most types for that system. I couldn't imagine doing any RPM package installation with an RPM type. Everything should come down from a Yum server, if only for version and dependency management. Cheers, Avi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Multiple packages installation in one yum call
On 01/18/2011 04:55 PM, Marc Zampetti wrote: > Or is Puppet Labs saying that they really only want to design a system > that works with non-Red Hat derived Linux distros? Should I be looking > to rip out Puppet and find something that is more open to working with > my OS of choice, like Chef? What else does Puppet Labs not like about > Red Hat Linux that I don't know about yet? Marc, I get the impression that you're getting quite agitated about this issue. That is entirely uncalled for. If this is something that you are interested in, it would be more constructive to register with redmine and vote for / watch the respective bugs. Felix -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Multiple packages installation in one yum call
I agree with this sentiment, and feel that making this a "low" priority for Puppet Labs is somewhat strange. Like it or not, Red Hat Linux (or one of its off-shoots like CentOS) is one of the most popular versions in production. Package management is one of the most central and important things a system like Puppet handles. The fact that Puppet cannot manage packages in RPM format in an efficient and correct way seems just ridiculous. And saying that the problem is with the package manager is wholly pointless. That is how it works, and it is therefore up to Puppet to work with the OS. Or is Puppet Labs saying that they really only want to design a system that works with non-Red Hat derived Linux distros? Should I be looking to rip out Puppet and find something that is more open to working with my OS of choice, like Chef? What else does Puppet Labs not like about Red Hat Linux that I don't know about yet? Marc Zampetti On 1/17/11 1:11 PM, Mike Lococo wrote: On 01/17/2011 12:40 PM, Matt wrote: Unfortunately thats a limitation of RPM which has been worked around with YUM. YUM will do the resolution of dependencies if they are also in one of the repositories configured on the system. Unfortunately RedHat will blacklist systems that run yum too often so you either must: 1) Not manage packages with circular dependencies using puppet. This is what I've opted to do, although I find it unfortunate since puppet would be my preferred venue to do this kind of thing otherwise. 2) Use the yum-driven options *AND* run your own satellite server so you can ping it as often as you like. This is possible but is a not insignificant amount of unnecessary work. 3) Use the yum-driven options and reduce the frequency of puppet-runs to a few times per day in order to stay below the RedHat's abuse threshold. 4) Use rpm -i exec's instead of the package provider. While these workarounds are all feasible, none of them are nearly as desirable as batched transactions that properly support circular dependencies. I know Luke has also expressed his opinion that this is an upstream problem that affects an insignificant number of users (http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/1935), but I would *really* like to see this patch land. Between bugs 1935, 4893, 3156, 2198, and this thread, it looks like at least 8 people have reported this affecting them over the last two years. The batchable transactions fix is straightforward, improves performance of puppet-runs, and has no downside that has been discussed in its bug. Cheers, Mike Lococo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Multiple packages installation in one yum call
On 01/17/2011 12:40 PM, Matt wrote: Unfortunately thats a limitation of RPM which has been worked around with YUM. YUM will do the resolution of dependencies if they are also in one of the repositories configured on the system. Unfortunately RedHat will blacklist systems that run yum too often so you either must: 1) Not manage packages with circular dependencies using puppet. This is what I've opted to do, although I find it unfortunate since puppet would be my preferred venue to do this kind of thing otherwise. 2) Use the yum-driven options *AND* run your own satellite server so you can ping it as often as you like. This is possible but is a not insignificant amount of unnecessary work. 3) Use the yum-driven options and reduce the frequency of puppet-runs to a few times per day in order to stay below the RedHat's abuse threshold. 4) Use rpm -i exec's instead of the package provider. While these workarounds are all feasible, none of them are nearly as desirable as batched transactions that properly support circular dependencies. I know Luke has also expressed his opinion that this is an upstream problem that affects an insignificant number of users (http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/1935), but I would *really* like to see this patch land. Between bugs 1935, 4893, 3156, 2198, and this thread, it looks like at least 8 people have reported this affecting them over the last two years. The batchable transactions fix is straightforward, improves performance of puppet-runs, and has no downside that has been discussed in its bug. Cheers, Mike Lococo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en.
Re: [Puppet Users] Re: Multiple packages installation in one yum call
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Stephane wrote:
> You could do something like following:
> $wantedpackages = [ "perl-DBI", "perl-DBD-MySQL" ]
> package { $wantedpackages: ensure => installed }
>
> In one call, we install 2 packages.
That will actually create two resources that are installed separately.
>
> I hope it helps.
> -Stephane
>
>
> On Jan 11, 3:09 am, Adriana wrote:
>> Hello,
>> does anyone know if featurehttp://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/2198
>> had been implemented and how it is possible to use it?
>> I would like to install multiple packages with one single call the the
>> yum packager.
>> Can anyone help me?
>> Thanks
>> Adriana
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