Re: [Puppet Users] Single certificate, multiple nodes... or image-based systems

2014-01-10 Thread Pablo Fernandez
Awesome!!

So, just to wrap it up taking all your answers together, we have two
options:
- Individual certs using Puppet 3.4 policy based autosign feature
(http://docs.puppetlabs.com/puppet/3/reference/ssl_autosign.html#policy-based-autosigning)
and some custom puppet cert clean hn HTTP calls before running
puppet upon reboot, or
- Single cert for all, making puppet node_name to be taken from node's
facter, this way: https://gist.github.com/ahpook/1182243

Thanks a lot to everybody, this was really useful for us!
BR/Pablo


On 01/09/2014 11:57 PM, Jeff Bachtel wrote:
 On 01/09/2014 10:12 AM, Pablo Fernandez wrote:
 I understand your point. I guess the SSL layer will render the
 request as illegitimate, but even if it doesn't, it may be playing
 with fire :)


 No, actually it doesn't verify certname against fqdn or any such, so
 technically you could bake in a single cert for an image. It's a bad
 idea because the Puppet master is supposed to know the state of a
 node, and it can't in that case (facts associated with the node like
 fqdn and ip and mac addresses will be constantly churning).

 I use Puppet on image-based systems. As part of the sysprep step
 (making the image generic for future spawning), I go and delete ssl
 certs from either /var/lib/puppet/ssl or the Windows equivalent. I
 make sure the agent is configured to hit the correct puppet master on
 first run, although I don't personally autosign.

 With 3.4's autosign hooks, you can presumably configured a shared key
 between your puppet master and baked images such that a node signals
 that it should be issued a certificate on provision.

 Jeff

 Thanks all for your thoughts, let me then present this as a generic
 question: did anybody try puppet on image-based systems? It would be
 wonderful to get some first-hand hints.

 Thanks again!
 BR/Pablo
  

 On 01/09/2014 04:05 PM, jcbollinger wrote:


 On Thursday, January 9, 2014 6:40:42 AM UTC-6, pablo.f...@cscs.ch
 wrote:

 Thanks for your suggestions,

 Running masterless is a bit too exotic, since we would like to
 use all those nice features that make a Puppet installation
 complete: specially hiera searches and PuppetDB. Modules, too,
 should be compatible with other clusters, so no big deviations
 can occur.

 Enabling auto-sign, as Jose Luis suggested, may be a
 possibility. I have just checked myself if autosign works if the
 same node was already registered in the CA... but according to
 the documentation it does not look like it, not to mention the
 security issues that come with it.

 Does the certificate name need to match the fqdn for puppet to
 allow connections?



 I'm not certain, but even if not, what you propose is dangerous. 
 The master uses the certificate presented by the agent not just to
 authorize the agent, but also to /identify/ it.  If all your nodes
 present the same certificate to the master, then they all claim to
 be the same machine, which is a lie.  I don't foresee any specific
 failure scenarios associated with that, but it is unwise to mess
 with the system's underlying assumptions in such a way.


 John

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Re: [Puppet Users] Single certificate, multiple nodes... or image-based systems

2014-01-09 Thread Andrey Kozichev
Maybe look into running masterless to avoid problems with certs. Just run
puppet apply on the new server.
On 9 Jan 2014 09:42, Pablo Fernandez pablo.fernan...@cscs.ch wrote:

 Dear all,

 We are thinking about the possibility of using Puppet in an image-based
 cluster. The compute nodes would boot and load the whole image to a
 ramdisk, where r/w access is granted afterwards.

 Our idea is to have a sample compute node running puppet where to create
 the image from, and periodically extract a new image from it. Nodes that
 reboot, simply take that image, change the hostname and IP addresses,
 and little more (typical in image-based systems). The nice thing about
 this is that, since the source image is from a puppetized host, its
 clones will be as well! So changes in the puppet configuration will be
 applied immediately to the nodes.

 Does it sound right? I currently foresee a problem with the puppet node
 certificates: is it possible to use a generic certificate, to enable
 trust between puppet server and clients, but having each node a
 different fqdn and be treated by puppet as different hosts (including
 PuppetDB entries)? I saw different facts for each: ::clientcert and
 ::fqdn, that gave me hopes.
 Besides that, do you see any other problem with this type of deployment?
 Does anybody have experience with something similar?

 Thanks!
 BR/Pablo

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Re: [Puppet Users] Single certificate, multiple nodes... or image-based systems

2014-01-09 Thread Pablo Fernandez
Thanks for your suggestions,

Running masterless is a bit too exotic, since we would like to use all
those nice features that make a Puppet installation complete: specially
hiera searches and PuppetDB. Modules, too, should be compatible with
other clusters, so no big deviations can occur.

Enabling auto-sign, as Jose Luis suggested, may be a possibility. I have
just checked myself if autosign works if the same node was already
registered in the CA... but according to the documentation it does not
look like it, not to mention the security issues that come with it.

Does the certificate name need to match the fqdn for puppet to allow
connections?

Thanks!
BR/Pablo


On 01/09/2014 12:16 PM, Andrey Kozichev wrote:

 Maybe look into running masterless to avoid problems with certs. Just
 run puppet apply on the new server.

 On 9 Jan 2014 09:42, Pablo Fernandez pablo.fernan...@cscs.ch
 mailto:pablo.fernan...@cscs.ch wrote:

 Dear all,

 We are thinking about the possibility of using Puppet in an
 image-based
 cluster. The compute nodes would boot and load the whole image to a
 ramdisk, where r/w access is granted afterwards.

 Our idea is to have a sample compute node running puppet where to
 create
 the image from, and periodically extract a new image from it.
 Nodes that
 reboot, simply take that image, change the hostname and IP addresses,
 and little more (typical in image-based systems). The nice thing about
 this is that, since the source image is from a puppetized host, its
 clones will be as well! So changes in the puppet configuration will be
 applied immediately to the nodes.

 Does it sound right? I currently foresee a problem with the puppet
 node
 certificates: is it possible to use a generic certificate, to enable
 trust between puppet server and clients, but having each node a
 different fqdn and be treated by puppet as different hosts (including
 PuppetDB entries)? I saw different facts for each: ::clientcert and
 ::fqdn, that gave me hopes.
 Besides that, do you see any other problem with this type of
 deployment?
 Does anybody have experience with something similar?

 Thanks!
 BR/Pablo

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Re: [Puppet Users] Single certificate, multiple nodes... or image-based systems

2014-01-09 Thread Andrey Kozichev
Autosign will be not enough, since if server has already signed - it will
show cert mismatch.

you can trigger cert clean every time you reimage server.
 On 9 Jan 2014 12:40, Pablo Fernandez pablo.fernan...@cscs.ch wrote:

  Thanks for your suggestions,

 Running masterless is a bit too exotic, since we would like to use all
 those nice features that make a Puppet installation complete: specially
 hiera searches and PuppetDB. Modules, too, should be compatible with other
 clusters, so no big deviations can occur.

 Enabling auto-sign, as Jose Luis suggested, may be a possibility. I have
 just checked myself if autosign works if the same node was already
 registered in the CA... but according to the documentation it does not look
 like it, not to mention the security issues that come with it.

 Does the certificate name need to match the fqdn for puppet to allow
 connections?

 Thanks!
 BR/Pablo


 On 01/09/2014 12:16 PM, Andrey Kozichev wrote:

 Maybe look into running masterless to avoid problems with certs. Just run
 puppet apply on the new server.
 On 9 Jan 2014 09:42, Pablo Fernandez pablo.fernan...@cscs.ch wrote:

 Dear all,

 We are thinking about the possibility of using Puppet in an image-based
 cluster. The compute nodes would boot and load the whole image to a
 ramdisk, where r/w access is granted afterwards.

 Our idea is to have a sample compute node running puppet where to create
 the image from, and periodically extract a new image from it. Nodes that
 reboot, simply take that image, change the hostname and IP addresses,
 and little more (typical in image-based systems). The nice thing about
 this is that, since the source image is from a puppetized host, its
 clones will be as well! So changes in the puppet configuration will be
 applied immediately to the nodes.

 Does it sound right? I currently foresee a problem with the puppet node
 certificates: is it possible to use a generic certificate, to enable
 trust between puppet server and clients, but having each node a
 different fqdn and be treated by puppet as different hosts (including
 PuppetDB entries)? I saw different facts for each: ::clientcert and
 ::fqdn, that gave me hopes.
 Besides that, do you see any other problem with this type of deployment?
 Does anybody have experience with something similar?

 Thanks!
 BR/Pablo

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Re: [Puppet Users] Single certificate, multiple nodes... or image-based systems

2014-01-09 Thread jcbollinger


On Thursday, January 9, 2014 6:40:42 AM UTC-6, pablo.f...@cscs.ch wrote:

  Thanks for your suggestions,

 Running masterless is a bit too exotic, since we would like to use all 
 those nice features that make a Puppet installation complete: specially 
 hiera searches and PuppetDB. Modules, too, should be compatible with other 
 clusters, so no big deviations can occur.

 Enabling auto-sign, as Jose Luis suggested, may be a possibility. I have 
 just checked myself if autosign works if the same node was already 
 registered in the CA... but according to the documentation it does not look 
 like it, not to mention the security issues that come with it.

 Does the certificate name need to match the fqdn for puppet to allow 
 connections?



I'm not certain, but even if not, what you propose is dangerous.  The 
master uses the certificate presented by the agent not just to authorize 
the agent, but also to *identify* it.  If all your nodes present the same 
certificate to the master, then they all claim to be the same machine, 
which is a lie.  I don't foresee any specific failure scenarios associated 
with that, but it is unwise to mess with the system's underlying 
assumptions in such a way.


John

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Re: [Puppet Users] Single certificate, multiple nodes... or image-based systems

2014-01-09 Thread Pablo Fernandez
I understand your point. I guess the SSL layer will render the request
as illegitimate, but even if it doesn't, it may be playing with fire :)

Thanks all for your thoughts, let me then present this as a generic
question: did anybody try puppet on image-based systems? It would be
wonderful to get some first-hand hints.

Thanks again!
BR/Pablo
 

On 01/09/2014 04:05 PM, jcbollinger wrote:


 On Thursday, January 9, 2014 6:40:42 AM UTC-6, pablo.f...@cscs.ch wrote:

 Thanks for your suggestions,

 Running masterless is a bit too exotic, since we would like to use
 all those nice features that make a Puppet installation complete:
 specially hiera searches and PuppetDB. Modules, too, should be
 compatible with other clusters, so no big deviations can occur.

 Enabling auto-sign, as Jose Luis suggested, may be a possibility.
 I have just checked myself if autosign works if the same node was
 already registered in the CA... but according to the documentation
 it does not look like it, not to mention the security issues that
 come with it.

 Does the certificate name need to match the fqdn for puppet to
 allow connections?



 I'm not certain, but even if not, what you propose is dangerous.  The
 master uses the certificate presented by the agent not just to
 authorize the agent, but also to /identify/ it.  If all your nodes
 present the same certificate to the master, then they all claim to be
 the same machine, which is a lie.  I don't foresee any specific
 failure scenarios associated with that, but it is unwise to mess with
 the system's underlying assumptions in such a way.


 John

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Re: [Puppet Users] Single certificate, multiple nodes... or image-based systems

2014-01-09 Thread Juan Sierra Pons
2014/1/9 jcbollinger john.bollin...@stjude.org:


 On Thursday, January 9, 2014 6:40:42 AM UTC-6, pablo.f...@cscs.ch wrote:

 Thanks for your suggestions,

 Running masterless is a bit too exotic, since we would like to use all
 those nice features that make a Puppet installation complete: specially
 hiera searches and PuppetDB. Modules, too, should be compatible with other
 clusters, so no big deviations can occur.

 Enabling auto-sign, as Jose Luis suggested, may be a possibility. I have
 just checked myself if autosign works if the same node was already
 registered in the CA... but according to the documentation it does not look
 like it, not to mention the security issues that come with it.

 Does the certificate name need to match the fqdn for puppet to allow
 connections?



 I'm not certain, but even if not, what you propose is dangerous.  The master
 uses the certificate presented by the agent not just to authorize the agent,
 but also to identify it.  If all your nodes present the same certificate to
 the master, then they all claim to be the same machine, which is a lie.  I
 don't foresee any specific failure scenarios associated with that, but it is
 unwise to mess with the system's underlying assumptions in such a way.


 John

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Hi

Other Idea could be create the signed certificate on the masterserver
and then copy it to the image using scp, libguestfs-tools, etc.

You can have an idea looking the provisioningDO rakefile:
https://github.com/juasiepo/provisioningDO/blob/master/rakefile

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Re: [Puppet Users] Single certificate, multiple nodes... or image-based systems

2014-01-09 Thread Andrey Kozichev
not entirely image-based, when new server was booted for the first time:
 1. it made http call to puppetmaster with it's hostname to do puppet cert
clean hostname
 2. do puppet run
 3. made HTTP call to do puppet cert sign

It was kind of autosign + in case of CERT already existed it was removed
and re-generated

sure security is poor in this approach, but it can be limited to only build
vlan.

Andrey




On 9 January 2014 15:12, Pablo Fernandez pablo.fernan...@cscs.ch wrote:

  I understand your point. I guess the SSL layer will render the request as
 illegitimate, but even if it doesn't, it may be playing with fire :)

 Thanks all for your thoughts, let me then present this as a generic
 question: did anybody try puppet on image-based systems? It would be
 wonderful to get some first-hand hints.

 Thanks again!
 BR/Pablo



 On 01/09/2014 04:05 PM, jcbollinger wrote:



 On Thursday, January 9, 2014 6:40:42 AM UTC-6, pablo.f...@cscs.ch wrote:

  Thanks for your suggestions,

 Running masterless is a bit too exotic, since we would like to use all
 those nice features that make a Puppet installation complete: specially
 hiera searches and PuppetDB. Modules, too, should be compatible with other
 clusters, so no big deviations can occur.

 Enabling auto-sign, as Jose Luis suggested, may be a possibility. I have
 just checked myself if autosign works if the same node was already
 registered in the CA... but according to the documentation it does not look
 like it, not to mention the security issues that come with it.

 Does the certificate name need to match the fqdn for puppet to allow
 connections?



 I'm not certain, but even if not, what you propose is dangerous.  The
 master uses the certificate presented by the agent not just to authorize
 the agent, but also to *identify* it.  If all your nodes present the same
 certificate to the master, then they all claim to be the same machine,
 which is a lie.  I don't foresee any specific failure scenarios associated
 with that, but it is unwise to mess with the system's underlying
 assumptions in such a way.


 John

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Re: [Puppet Users] Single certificate, multiple nodes... or image-based systems

2014-01-09 Thread Jeff Bachtel

On 01/09/2014 10:12 AM, Pablo Fernandez wrote:
I understand your point. I guess the SSL layer will render the request 
as illegitimate, but even if it doesn't, it may be playing with fire :)




No, actually it doesn't verify certname against fqdn or any such, so 
technically you could bake in a single cert for an image. It's a bad 
idea because the Puppet master is supposed to know the state of a node, 
and it can't in that case (facts associated with the node like fqdn and 
ip and mac addresses will be constantly churning).


I use Puppet on image-based systems. As part of the sysprep step (making 
the image generic for future spawning), I go and delete ssl certs from 
either /var/lib/puppet/ssl or the Windows equivalent. I make sure the 
agent is configured to hit the correct puppet master on first run, 
although I don't personally autosign.


With 3.4's autosign hooks, you can presumably configured a shared key 
between your puppet master and baked images such that a node signals 
that it should be issued a certificate on provision.


Jeff

Thanks all for your thoughts, let me then present this as a generic 
question: did anybody try puppet on image-based systems? It would be 
wonderful to get some first-hand hints.


Thanks again!
BR/Pablo


On 01/09/2014 04:05 PM, jcbollinger wrote:



On Thursday, January 9, 2014 6:40:42 AM UTC-6, pablo.f...@cscs.ch wrote:

Thanks for your suggestions,

Running masterless is a bit too exotic, since we would like to
use all those nice features that make a Puppet installation
complete: specially hiera searches and PuppetDB. Modules, too,
should be compatible with other clusters, so no big deviations
can occur.

Enabling auto-sign, as Jose Luis suggested, may be a possibility.
I have just checked myself if autosign works if the same node was
already registered in the CA... but according to the
documentation it does not look like it, not to mention the
security issues that come with it.

Does the certificate name need to match the fqdn for puppet to
allow connections?



I'm not certain, but even if not, what you propose is dangerous.  The 
master uses the certificate presented by the agent not just to 
authorize the agent, but also to /identify/ it.  If all your nodes 
present the same certificate to the master, then they all claim to be 
the same machine, which is a lie.  I don't foresee any specific 
failure scenarios associated with that, but it is unwise to mess with 
the system's underlying assumptions in such a way.



John

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Re: [Puppet Users] Single certificate, multiple nodes... or image-based systems

2014-01-09 Thread Patrick Hemmer


On Thursday, January 9, 2014 7:40:42 AM UTC-5, pablo.f...@cscs.ch wrote:

  Thanks for your suggestions,

 Running masterless is a bit too exotic, since we would like to use all 
 those nice features that make a Puppet installation complete: specially 
 hiera searches and PuppetDB. Modules, too, should be compatible with other 
 clusters, so no big deviations can occur.

 Enabling auto-sign, as Jose Luis suggested, may be a possibility. I have 
 just checked myself if autosign works if the same node was already 
 registered in the CA... but according to the documentation it does not look 
 like it, not to mention the security issues that come with it.


I have hundreds of systems built off a single image, and we use autosigning 
to do it. Puppet 3.4.0 introduced policy based 
autosigninghttp://docs.puppetlabs.com/puppet/3/reference/ssl_autosign.html#policy-based-autosigning.
 
Our image has a file which contains extra information to add to the 
certificate signing request. One of these bits of information is a secret 
key. The puppet CA server then has a script which authorizes autosigning 
any requests which contain a valid secret key.

-Patrick

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Re: [Puppet Users] Single certificate, multiple nodes... or image-based systems

2014-01-09 Thread Johan De Wit

Maybe you could try something like this ?

https://gist.github.com/ahpook/1182243

On 01/09/2014 10:42 AM, Pablo Fernandez wrote:

Dear all,

We are thinking about the possibility of using Puppet in an image-based
cluster. The compute nodes would boot and load the whole image to a
ramdisk, where r/w access is granted afterwards.

Our idea is to have a sample compute node running puppet where to create
the image from, and periodically extract a new image from it. Nodes that
reboot, simply take that image, change the hostname and IP addresses,
and little more (typical in image-based systems). The nice thing about
this is that, since the source image is from a puppetized host, its
clones will be as well! So changes in the puppet configuration will be
applied immediately to the nodes.

Does it sound right? I currently foresee a problem with the puppet node
certificates: is it possible to use a generic certificate, to enable
trust between puppet server and clients, but having each node a
different fqdn and be treated by puppet as different hosts (including
PuppetDB entries)? I saw different facts for each: ::clientcert and
::fqdn, that gave me hopes.
Besides that, do you see any other problem with this type of deployment?
Does anybody have experience with something similar?

Thanks!
BR/Pablo




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