Re: [pygame] pygame website - the non-Django team.
Is it because just you want to do it or you didn't liked current goings on of the django-based development. if you didn't liked development of django site you should point it out so it stops if general discussion is at same opinion. i think this is what behaviour should be. i never say it's a bad thing and you shouldn't do it because it's nice you want pygame.org become better and i'm not the one to decide on that but you. but there are points i didn't liked. people will give efforts on this projects and there is one goal at the end for the both teams. i don't join the idea *each code base should be still useful for other projects even if it doesn't get used for pygame.org*. it's not like developing a game. team that loses won't reach into anything and all efforts they do will be ruined. i want to highlight again that i don't mean you shouldn't do it and i don't feel like we will win or lose. i'm just worried about one of the teams(not only us) efforts will be wasted and nobody said us we will compete when it was starting. excuse me but i also felt like some django hate on that message. 2009/5/25 René Dudfield ren...@gmail.com *___** _ _ __ ___ _ _ || \ \\ // \ //\ ||\/| /|\ || | \\ /|| // \|| \ / | || |--/ \\_/ ||==//\ || \/ | ||| **|**| || |||| // \ || | || **|**| || \/ //\ || | \=/ *. *o* *r* *g* - taking the C++ out of game development. - the web isn't just text and databases. - taking the framework out of webs. there is already another team working on a 'django' based remake of the pygame website. As mentioned here: http://groups.google.com/group/pygame-mirror-on-google-groups/browse_thread/thread/34a561e3ac7ebc26/ed32b7f3d1f20688 and here: http://groups.google.com/group/pygame-mirror-on-google-groups/browse_thread/thread/872f0751729c8176/208a966e5470d891 we are also working on a new pygame.org website! This email describes the non-django teams effort. A little competition is never bad, and each code base should be still useful for other projects even if it doesn't get used for pygame.org May the best website win! *=** = **The Plan.** **= * *=** * *~ Stage one(1)*: - rewrite current site in python using existing templates. - Using python, *pygame*, mysql, cherrypy, ffmpeg, sqlalchemy, pygments, feedparser, lxml, and likely formencode/formalchemy/nicks formlib. - incorporate small features from long standing todo list into the rewrite. - start design of new website as we go. Using moch ups, and design by Daniel Jones http://daniel.poweredbybees.com/ (portfolio link http://daniel.poweredbybees.com/ http://f0o.com/%7Edaniel/), (illume) Rene, (pymike), (akalias) Nicholas, and - getting feedback from community. - Daniel will send moch-ups to mailing list for review and crits. - use knowledge from redoing existing website in the design of the new website. Development is just starting in svn: http://code.google.com/p/pygame/source/browse/#svn/branches/w A code layout something like this... run_game.py run_tests.py lib/db.py lib/cherrypy lib/sqlalchemy lib/ public_html/ public_html/skins/ public_html/shots/ Will include the database (with all personal details removed) as sql. sqllite for development, and mysql on the real server. Since python comes with sqllite, people won't need to set up mysql to make changes. Including cherrypy, and sqlalchemy so people don't need to install them separately. It's the same layout used by many pygames especially skellington based pyweek games. *~ Stage two(2):* - implement new features and design. - open up to other developers. Current todo list (as collected from pygame.org/wiki/todo): - feed(rss, atom) for wiki recent changes. - Menu to use alternating background colours - to make it easier to read. - Optional email notification on project change, including release and comment. A per user, per project option. - Nicer urls for projects. eg projects/512/zanthor/ - detect tabs in code blocks, and convert to spaces. Either ask to convert to 4 or 8 spaces, or do some magic to figure out how many spaces. - Browsing projects in more ways. By ranking, by date. - Spotlight projects changeable from management area. - Fix website for looking ok in 800x600 resolution - the header does not scale down well. ** *= Stage X: Making an API usable
Re: [pygame] pygame website - the non-Django team.
there was too many messages on that topic, i was following yours and marcus's messages on that topic because you were mentors for the GSoC. i don't think everybody would ever come together at the same thought because it's a matter of choice that chosing which framework to use. i lastly red marcus's message which he was saying that he trusts us and i thought it and stop following that thread because so many messages were comparing django and cherrypy. i didn't like it. i missed your last message sorry for that. If it was so clear that you will write the website since January, why was it a point on GSoC list and why don't you have already started? (Would you write your own page even if it was a GSoC project? What's the difference now?) i think jug touched a good point. i first red marcus's or your message saying we can start our gsoc projects even if we didn't selected than when jug mailed to list. i decided to join. we never forced to do it. i wasn't thinking you will start to do it because it was on GSoC list and you were mentor and reviewed our proposals for that project.when i sent my proposal you seemed like you liked it. if you plan to do it, you shouldn't have let us spread our times for our gsoc proposals. sorry for little nervy behaviours. 2009/5/26 René Dudfield ren...@gmail.com On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:43 AM, orcun avsar orc@gmail.com wrote: Is it because just you want to do it or you didn't liked current goings on of the django-based development. if you didn't liked development of django site you should point it out so it stops if general discussion is at same opinion. i think this is what behaviour should be. i never say it's a bad thing and you shouldn't do it because it's nice you want pygame.orgbecome better and i'm not the one to decide on that but you. but there are points i didn't liked. people will give efforts on this projects and there is one goal at the end for the both teams. i don't join the idea *each code base should be still useful for other projects even if it doesn't get used for pygame.org*. it's not like developing a game. team that loses won't reach into anything and all efforts they do will be ruined. i want to highlight again that i don't mean you shouldn't do it and i don't feel like we will win or lose. i'm just worried about one of the teams(not only us) efforts will be wasted and nobody said us we will compete when it was starting. excuse me but i also felt like some django hate on that message. hello, I never got a response from you, or jug when I talked about it a couple of weeks ago here: http://groups.google.com/group/pygame-mirror-on-google-groups/browse_thread/thread/872f0751729c8176/208a966e5470d891?pli=1 The coding on the django based website started without discussion finishing. There was a discussion with some different view points, and you just didn't seem to care and began the website, ignoring them anyway. Then I didn't have any option but to start a website myself. I told you in other threads I was making one, and that there had been a plan to make one since January. Again, neither you or jug responded. http://groups.google.com/group/pygame-mirror-on-google-groups/browse_thread/thread/fedcce866a7725fc/e4dfb2854a5013a1?lnk=gstq=website#e4dfb2854a5013a1
Re: [pygame] PyGame Website Rewrite
I had applied to same project too. I was thinking same idea it can be good to work with a team. I'd like to join. 2009/4/21 jug j...@fantasymail.de Hello, Even if it was not selected as a project for GSoC, I would like to do the pygame website rewrite. Like the other applicants, I'd do that with Django. Now that there can not only be one student/participant, it would be cool to work together and combine forces. Since I applied for GSoC, I've already made a small concept. Merging multiple implementing-/design ideas may become difficult, but before I go into detail just say me if you are interested. Regards Jug
Re: [pygame] PyGame Website Rewrite
Is the current documentation dynamic through the current release? 2009/4/22 Ian Mallett geometr...@gmail.com for example, http://www.pygame.org/docs/ does not link to pygame.color, among other modules Ian
[pygame] GSoC A* for AI
its only little time left for submiting deadline but i want to share quickly my ideas with you about AI module and i can work for a proposal. I red some discussions about this on the mailing list. Here is my opinion. A* algorithm is not a very hard thing to write. Porting it from C may make it faster but i think main question here how to make it more usable. It should be used with minimal effort. Finding shortest way is not as good as finding shortest way in shortest time but algorithm or code can be healed, changed in future but usage must be same and good. I plan to write a astar pathfinding module that is practical to use. something like first registering sprites or rects to module(rect objects have coordinates and size ). Rect objects are general with all games and this is better than creating a matrix or scanning a surface for colorkeys. pathfinder.register( user.rect ) pathfinder.register( enemy.rect ) pathfinder.register( house.rect ) and any time using some function like this pathfinder.findway (start=user.rect,dest=house.rect) and it can return a result like node points of shortest path like ( (12,32), (12,300), (400,300) ) that each node consist of x and y
[pygame] Re: Request for pygame new website project on GSoC
Right, Sharing design ideas with community can be very good. Actually i didn't mention design at first because i almost like the design of current site. So what was in my mind was a smilar design. But general thought is more important at this point.I think its early to specify a design model because it not a subject to say something about in a flash. We can discuss and share our design ideas when project starts and ask pygamer volunteers to help for the look and feel of the site. I also forgot to mention testing. Im going to write tests for project via doctest and unittest when midterm and deadline aproaches. Django has good tools for testing. even a testclient that makes fake requests for view testings. Its my bad that i didn't bring out a timeline. I tried to create one. Estimated Timeline Till May 23 : Read documentation, general discuss with mentor, discuss design ideas, gather more information, examine current pygame.org database. May 23 - July 6: Begin coding. Begin creating django applications ( with order: users, projects, content, documentation, wiki , snippets ) and code models for these applications (create database structure). Begin writing base templates/css for decided design model. Create main views and templates( main page, content pages, project page, project listing page ) . July 6 - July 10: Prepare mid-term evaluation. Create doctests or unittests for models. Request tests for views. Test browser compatibility. Deploy project for feedbacks from mentor and pygame community. July 10 - July 13: Share ideas. EVALUATIONS SENT July 13 - August 10: Create management modules ( django auto-admin for administrators and own in-site management module for members) . Code wiki templates and views. Code snippet templates and views. code documentation views and templates. integrate comments. Markup language for safe user submited html data. Syntax higlighting for code blocks. Improve project browsing. Create script to carry over current pygame.org data to new database. Rss/Atom feeds. August 10: Improve documentation. Make doctests, unittests, request tests . Finish project. Hope this is an enough timeline. Regards On 30 Mart, 23:23, René Dudfield ren...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, that looks pretty good. One improvement is that you could try and put a timeline for when you think you will do things. Also, it would great if there were lots of unit tests. Also a stage at the beginning where we ask people with design ideas for the website to put them forward. Pygame has a large community of people, some of whom are pretty good with gfx and design... so it'd make sense to let them contribute if they want. cheers, 2009/3/31 orcun avsar orc@gmail.com: Hi, Im glad you're interested in my participation. I tried to write in a explanatory way. So it's a little long i think or maybe boring. Im looking forward to your thoughts. About Me 1. Name: Orcun Avsar (Orçun Avşar) School: Second year at Canakkale 18 Mart University at Çanakkale/Turkey Branch: Computer Enginnering 2. Contact Information: email: orc@gmail.com blog: orcuna.blogspot.com gtalk: orc@gmail.com 3. Time Zone and Preferred Language: Istanbul / Turkey UTC/GMT +2 hours, English 4. Time Commitment: I spend my summer at home in Urla/Izmir and will have lots of time (usually 4-7 hours a day ) to develop my project and will be mostly available to contact with the pygame comunitiy and my mentor. 5. Programming Experience: My web skills are: Python(Django), HTML, JavaScript ( mostly Jquery and Jquery plugins) , Css , Ajax Im two years experienced with python and one year experienced with web and django framework. Django made projects that i made/join: -Last summer i joined a b2c project in Izmir for Taymet web company. This helped me to improve my web knowledge and get familiar with django:http://b2c.taymet.com -Im currently working as a part-time student worker at my schools information department until summer. we're working on some e-university projects with django (like event management system, document chasing system) -I have a CMS like project that is smilar to my project's logic which is deployed recently:http://www.yukleindir.net -Django snippets i made: http://www.djangosnippets.org/users/orcun%20avsar/ -My programming blog have a few code examples: http://orcuna.blogspot.com About Project I want to participate in Pygame Website Rewrite project for GsoC. First of all i love pygame. Its logic fits to python's simplicity philosophy and it provides a low-level game developing enviroment that doesn't limit any creativity. This is a hard thing to be found both on a game library. After i saw project i decided that best suits to me and this is something that pygame.org really needs. Because pygame.org is not only a project website
[pygame] Re: Request for pygame new website project on GSoC
Thanks a lot but I want to try my change with this project if you accept. Do students have to do anything like registering, during application to GSoC? Note, that there's two others who are applying for the same project... so it could be good to submit a separate proposal if you want a better chance of being accepted
[pygame] Request for pygame new website project on GSoC
Hi, Im studying computer enginnering in Canakkale/Turkey and its my second year on the university. I want to be a GSoC student for the Pygame Website project this year. I'm two years experienced with python and one year experienced with Web. Currently i'm working with Django Framework for web projects. Reason that i choose that project is i love both Pygame and Django. But I never had change of having good time to improve myself on pygame. So i want to help/join the community with another way that i have knowledge on. My plan to develop is first making a clone of current system on python (i don't mean design but database and functionality). Database smilarity is important to carry over current data (users, projects, tags..) to new system. Then we can add new features. I can also take the current database system and overwrite new features on it ( django ORM can handle with Mysql, Postrgresql, Sqlite,Oracle databases) I guess django auto-admin won't be very cute for pygame. So i will write my-own site management module which will also use current django contrib applications (Users, Auth, Sessions...). Im not a designer but I have enough Css, JavaScript (mostly Jquery), Ajax knowledge (and HTML needless to say). I have a few projects. My most CMS like project is a software programs reviewing site in turkish language which finished recently: http://www.yukleindir.net if you like i can create a new user account for you to examine admin panel or you can use registration form. I have a blog also: http://orcuna.blogspot.com I have a few django snippets: http://www.djangosnippets.org/users/orcun%20avsar/ Currently im working with django at my school's information department we try to develop projects like: events management system, document chasing system. Thats all on my mind for now:) i like to hear from you soon.
