Re: [pygame] Current working version of Python and pygame

[Irv Kalb]

Thank you to Berlioz and claudio for your responses.

Re-running the installer sounds like a simple solution.

Thanks,

Irv

> On Oct 23, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Berlioz Silver  wrote:
> 
> You can add python to PATH by rerunning the same installer you used to 
> install it. There will be a "modify" choice, and in the next two pages are 
> options to adjust the parts of python installed, and to add it to "the 
> environment"-- the PATH. 
> 
> I would suggest using 3.7. 3.8 is likely to work, but at this time I do not 
> believe 3.9 has functioning pygame wheels, and this will be a pain point for 
> students. 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 4:45 PM claudio canepa  > wrote:
> >  Question 1:  If someone already has installed Python but did not check 
> > this box on, is there some simple command line magic to do whatever this 
> > checkbox does?  If so, what do I need to tell my student to do?
> 
> With a python 3.X  installed  they need replace 'python' by 'py -3.X' in the 
> cmdline.
> Examples, for a python 3.7 installation:
> To invoke the interactive interpreter:
>py -3.7 
> To run a script:
>   py -3.7 myscript.py
> 
> Another difference with unix-like OSes is that the python's Scripts directory 
> is not on the path, so pip (and other commands in Scripts) need a full 
> qualified path in the command, like
>   c:\python37\Scripts\pip install ...
> or the alternative form
>   py -3.7 -m pip install .. 
> 
> I don't know if it would be better to work from a venv:
> 
> Create venv
> py -3.7 -m venv venv_path
> Activate
> venv_path\Scripts\activate
> 
> After that, in that console 'python' would be the python in the venv, and 
> venv_path\Scripts will be in the PATH, so commands like 'pip', 'pytest', etc 
> would work fine.
> 
> To deactivate the venv:
>deactivate
> 
> > Question 2:  If someone does not have Python installed yet (or wants to 
> > install a newer version), what is the most recent version of Python (Mac 
> > and Windows) that I should ask them to install today?  I understand that 
> > there is a big effort to get the 2.0 version of Pygame out, but I want my 
> > students to use version 1.9 for now.  If they install the current version 
> > of Python: 3.9, will they be able to use pip to install a working version 
> > of pygame 1.9?  (Last time I checked, this did not work correctly?
> 
> python 3.8 has been tested more time; also 3.9 is not compatible with 
> windows7, which maybe some students have in their house.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 7:08 PM Irv Kalb  > wrote:
> I am teaching a Python class, where I use pygame to demonstrate OOP concepts. 
>  I need to have my students get the proper environment to run Python with 
> pygame.
> 
> I use a Mac, and I have Python 3.7.3, and pygame 1.9.6 installed.  Everything 
> works fine for me.  But I have students who either have Python already 
> installed and need to install pygame, or who need to install both Python and 
> pygame.  
> 
> I am not a Windows user, and I typically don't use the command line for 
> anything other than installations.  My understanding is that if you are on 
> Windows, and you want to use pygame, then during the installation of Python, 
> when the installation puts up dialog box about installing Python, you must 
> check the checkbox at the bottom that says:
> 
>  Add Python 3.x to PATH
> 
> Question 1:  If someone already has installed Python but did not check this 
> box on, is there some simple command line magic to do whatever this checkbox 
> does?  If so, what do I need to tell my student to do?
> 
> Question 2:  If someone does not have Python installed yet (or wants to 
> install a newer version), what is the most recent version of Python (Mac and 
> Windows) that I should ask them to install today?  I understand that there is 
> a big effort to get the 2.0 version of Pygame out, but I want my students to 
> use version 1.9 for now.  If they install the current version of Python: 3.9, 
> will they be able to use pip to install a working version of pygame 1.9?  
> (Last time I checked, this did not work correctly?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Irv
> 
> 

Re: [pygame] Current working version of Python and pygame

[Berlioz Silver]

You can add python to PATH by rerunning the same installer you used to
install it. There will be a "modify" choice, and in the next two pages are
options to adjust the parts of python installed, and to add it to "the
environment"-- the PATH.

I would suggest using 3.7. 3.8 is likely to work, but at this time I do not
believe 3.9 has functioning pygame wheels, and this will be a pain point
for students.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 4:45 PM claudio canepa  wrote:

> >  Question 1:  If someone already has installed Python but did not check
> this box on, is there some simple command line magic to do whatever this
> checkbox does?  If so, what do I need to tell my student to do?
>
> With a python 3.X  installed  they need replace 'python' by 'py -3.X' in
> the cmdline.
> Examples, for a python 3.7 installation:
> To invoke the interactive interpreter:
>py -3.7
> To run a script:
>   py -3.7 myscript.py
>
> Another difference with unix-like OSes is that the python's Scripts
> directory is not on the path, so pip (and other commands in Scripts) need a
> full qualified path in the command, like
>   c:\python37\Scripts\pip install ...
> or the alternative form
>   py -3.7 -m pip install ..
>
> I don't know if it would be better to work from a venv:
>
> Create venv
> py -3.7 -m venv venv_path
> Activate
> venv_path\Scripts\activate
>
> After that, in that console 'python' would be the python in the venv, and
> venv_path\Scripts will be in the PATH, so commands like 'pip', 'pytest',
> etc would work fine.
>
> To deactivate the venv:
>deactivate
>
> > Question 2:  If someone does not have Python installed yet (or wants to
> install a newer version), what is the most recent version of Python (Mac
> and Windows) that I should ask them to install today?  I understand that
> there is a big effort to get the 2.0 version of Pygame out, but I want my
> students to use version 1.9 for now.  If they install the current version
> of Python: 3.9, will they be able to use pip to install a working version
> of pygame 1.9?  (Last time I checked, this did not work correctly?
>
> python 3.8 has been tested more time; also 3.9 is not compatible with
> windows7, which maybe some students have in their house.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 7:08 PM Irv Kalb  wrote:
>
>> I am teaching a Python class, where I use pygame to demonstrate OOP
>> concepts.  I need to have my students get the proper environment to run
>> Python with pygame.
>>
>> I use a Mac, and I have Python 3.7.3, and pygame 1.9.6 installed.
>> Everything works fine for me.  But I have students who either have Python
>> already installed and need to install pygame, or who need to install both
>> Python and pygame.
>>
>> I am not a Windows user, and I typically don't use the command line for
>> anything other than installations.  My understanding is that if you are on
>> Windows, and you want to use pygame, then during the installation of
>> Python, when the installation puts up dialog box about installing Python,
>> you must check the checkbox at the bottom that says:
>>
>>  Add Python 3.x to PATH
>>
>> Question 1:  If someone already has installed Python but did not check
>> this box on, is there some simple command line magic to do whatever this
>> checkbox does?  If so, what do I need to tell my student to do?
>>
>> Question 2:  If someone does not have Python installed yet (or wants to
>> install a newer version), what is the most recent version of Python (Mac
>> and Windows) that I should ask them to install today?  I understand that
>> there is a big effort to get the 2.0 version of Pygame out, but I want my
>> students to use version 1.9 for now.  If they install the current version
>> of Python: 3.9, will they be able to use pip to install a working version
>> of pygame 1.9?  (Last time I checked, this did not work correctly?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Irv
>>
>>
>>

Re: [pygame] Current working version of Python and pygame

[Kevin Thomas]

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From: owner-pygame-us...@seul.org  on behalf of 
claudio canepa 
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 7:44 PM
To: pygame-users@seul.org 
Subject: Re: [pygame] Current working version of Python and pygame

>  Question 1:  If someone already has installed Python but did not check this 
> box on, is there some simple command line magic to do whatever this checkbox 
> does?  If so, what do I need to tell my student to do?

With a python 3.X  installed  they need replace 'python' by 'py -3.X' in the 
cmdline.
Examples, for a python 3.7 installation:
To invoke the interactive interpreter:
   py -3.7
To run a script:
  py -3.7 myscript.py

Another difference with unix-like OSes is that the python's Scripts directory 
is not on the path, so pip (and other commands in Scripts) need a full 
qualified path in the command, like
  c:\python37\Scripts\pip install ...
or the alternative form
  py -3.7 -m pip install ..

I don't know if it would be better to work from a venv:

Create venv
py -3.7 -m venv venv_path
Activate
venv_path\Scripts\activate

After that, in that console 'python' would be the python in the venv, and 
venv_path\Scripts will be in the PATH, so commands like 'pip', 'pytest', etc 
would work fine.

To deactivate the venv:
   deactivate

> Question 2:  If someone does not have Python installed yet (or wants to 
> install a newer version), what is the most recent version of Python (Mac and 
> Windows) that I should ask them to install today?  I understand that there is 
> a big effort to get the 2.0 version of Pygame out, but I want my students to 
> use version 1.9 for now.  If they install the current version of Python: 3.9, 
> will they be able to use pip to install a working version of pygame 1.9?  
> (Last time I checked, this did not work correctly?

python 3.8 has been tested more time; also 3.9 is not compatible with windows7, 
which maybe some students have in their house.


On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 7:08 PM Irv Kalb 
mailto:i...@furrypants.com>> wrote:
I am teaching a Python class, where I use pygame to demonstrate OOP concepts.  
I need to have my students get the proper environment to run Python with pygame.

I use a Mac, and I have Python 3.7.3, and pygame 1.9.6 installed.  Everything 
works fine for me.  But I have students who either have Python already 
installed and need to install pygame, or who need to install both Python and 
pygame.

I am not a Windows user, and I typically don't use the command line for 
anything other than installations.  My understanding is that if you are on 
Windows, and you want to use pygame, then during the installation of Python, 
when the installation puts up dialog box about installing Python, you must 
check the checkbox at the bottom that says:

 Add Python 3.x to PATH

Question 1:  If someone already has installed Python but did not check this box 
on, is there some simple command line magic to do whatever this checkbox does?  
If so, what do I need to tell my student to do?

Question 2:  If someone does not have Python installed yet (or wants to install 
a newer version), what is the most recent version of Python (Mac and Windows) 
that I should ask them to install today?  I understand that there is a big 
effort to get the 2.0 version of Pygame out, but I want my students to use 
version 1.9 for now.  If they install the current version of Python: 3.9, will 
they be able to use pip to install a working version of pygame 1.9?  (Last time 
I checked, this did not work correctly?

Thanks in advance,

Irv

Re: [pygame] Current working version of Python and pygame

[claudio canepa]

>  Question 1:  If someone already has installed Python but did not check
this box on, is there some simple command line magic to do whatever this
checkbox does?  If so, what do I need to tell my student to do?

With a python 3.X  installed  they need replace 'python' by 'py -3.X' in
the cmdline.
Examples, for a python 3.7 installation:
To invoke the interactive interpreter:
   py -3.7
To run a script:
  py -3.7 myscript.py

Another difference with unix-like OSes is that the python's Scripts
directory is not on the path, so pip (and other commands in Scripts) need a
full qualified path in the command, like
  c:\python37\Scripts\pip install ...
or the alternative form
  py -3.7 -m pip install ..

I don't know if it would be better to work from a venv:

Create venv
py -3.7 -m venv venv_path
Activate
venv_path\Scripts\activate

After that, in that console 'python' would be the python in the venv, and
venv_path\Scripts will be in the PATH, so commands like 'pip', 'pytest',
etc would work fine.

To deactivate the venv:
   deactivate

> Question 2:  If someone does not have Python installed yet (or wants to
install a newer version), what is the most recent version of Python (Mac
and Windows) that I should ask them to install today?  I understand that
there is a big effort to get the 2.0 version of Pygame out, but I want my
students to use version 1.9 for now.  If they install the current version
of Python: 3.9, will they be able to use pip to install a working version
of pygame 1.9?  (Last time I checked, this did not work correctly?

python 3.8 has been tested more time; also 3.9 is not compatible with
windows7, which maybe some students have in their house.


On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 7:08 PM Irv Kalb  wrote:

> I am teaching a Python class, where I use pygame to demonstrate OOP
> concepts.  I need to have my students get the proper environment to run
> Python with pygame.
>
> I use a Mac, and I have Python 3.7.3, and pygame 1.9.6 installed.
> Everything works fine for me.  But I have students who either have Python
> already installed and need to install pygame, or who need to install both
> Python and pygame.
>
> I am not a Windows user, and I typically don't use the command line for
> anything other than installations.  My understanding is that if you are on
> Windows, and you want to use pygame, then during the installation of
> Python, when the installation puts up dialog box about installing Python,
> you must check the checkbox at the bottom that says:
>
>  Add Python 3.x to PATH
>
> Question 1:  If someone already has installed Python but did not check
> this box on, is there some simple command line magic to do whatever this
> checkbox does?  If so, what do I need to tell my student to do?
>
> Question 2:  If someone does not have Python installed yet (or wants to
> install a newer version), what is the most recent version of Python (Mac
> and Windows) that I should ask them to install today?  I understand that
> there is a big effort to get the 2.0 version of Pygame out, but I want my
> students to use version 1.9 for now.  If they install the current version
> of Python: 3.9, will they be able to use pip to install a working version
> of pygame 1.9?  (Last time I checked, this did not work correctly?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Irv
>
>
>

[pygame] Current working version of Python and pygame

[Irv Kalb]

I am teaching a Python class, where I use pygame to demonstrate OOP concepts.  
I need to have my students get the proper environment to run Python with pygame.

I use a Mac, and I have Python 3.7.3, and pygame 1.9.6 installed.  Everything 
works fine for me.  But I have students who either have Python already 
installed and need to install pygame, or who need to install both Python and 
pygame.  

I am not a Windows user, and I typically don't use the command line for 
anything other than installations.  My understanding is that if you are on 
Windows, and you want to use pygame, then during the installation of Python, 
when the installation puts up dialog box about installing Python, you must 
check the checkbox at the bottom that says:

 Add Python 3.x to PATH

Question 1:  If someone already has installed Python but did not check this box 
on, is there some simple command line magic to do whatever this checkbox does?  
If so, what do I need to tell my student to do?

Question 2:  If someone does not have Python installed yet (or wants to install 
a newer version), what is the most recent version of Python (Mac and Windows) 
that I should ask them to install today?  I understand that there is a big 
effort to get the 2.0 version of Pygame out, but I want my students to use 
version 1.9 for now.  If they install the current version of Python: 3.9, will 
they be able to use pip to install a working version of pygame 1.9?  (Last time 
I checked, this did not work correctly?

Thanks in advance,

Irv