Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[Lenard Lindstrom]

AlgoMantra wrote:


That's like saying that an ocean liner isn't
a ship because it wouldn't be able to get off
the ground into the sea by itself.



It has the body of a lion, and the head of a lion,
but does that, in fact, make it a lion?

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spaceship (plural spaceships)

   1. A vehicle that flies through space. [1]


spaceship (-ship') n. a spacecraft, esp. if manned [2]


I should have confirmed my definitions before posting. I had heard the 
"space shuttle as the only true spaceship" comment on television once, 
probably by some NASA official. But since I have no reference to the 
original quote, and since "spaceship" and "spacecraft" appear 
interchangeable in common usage - do a lookup on spaceship in wikipedia 
- then the whole argument is moot. It should be noted that Orion is 
"NASA's new spaceship" [3]. So to tie this all back in with Pygame and 
game development in general, if someone writes an Apollo simulator it is 
perfectly valid to include it under a spaceship category.



[1] wiktionary: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spaceship (last edited 
10:01, 2 October 2007), though "*flies* through space" makes the 
definition questionable.


[2] Webster's New World Dictionary of American English, Third College 
Edition, Deluxe Color Edition, (c) 1991 by Simon and Schuster, Inc.


[3] 
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/exploration/spacecraft/cev_hi_res.html 
(accessed March 5, 2008)


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Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[AlgoMantra]

> That's like saying that an ocean liner isn't
> > a ship because it wouldn't be able to get off
> > the ground into the sea by itself.
>
>

It has the body of a lion, and the head of a lion,
but does that, in fact, make it a lion?

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Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[Ian Mallett]

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Greg Ewing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Ian Mallett wrote:
> > hmmm.
> > I would not define the space shuttle as a space ship because it requires
> > an external fuel tank and two extra rockets to get into space.
> That's like saying that an ocean liner isn't
> a ship because it wouldn't be able to get off
> the ground into the sea by itself.

hmmm.
I see your point.
still wouldn't classify the space shuttle as a "space ship", as the shuttle
cannot travel the deeps of space.
This is sort of like the early submarines, which were more submerge-able
battleships than a real underwater boat.  These craft were designed to
attack above surface, and only submerge to hide.
So, either the space shuttle is not a "space ship" because it cannot be used
practically, or it is not a "space ship" because it can't really stay in
space very well.
Ian

Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[Adam Bark]

>
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Adam Bark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Cool cos I'm trying to right a game involving spaceships, it's 3d
> >
> http://www.turbosquid.com/3d
> Ian
>
Thanks

On 04/03/2008, Greg Ewing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Adam Bark wrote:
>
> > Cool cos I'm trying to right a game involving spaceships, it's 3d
>
>
> Make sure you include a garage to keep them in!
>
> --
>
> Greg
>

Will do.

Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[Greg Ewing]

Ian Mallett wrote:

hmmm.
I would not define the space shuttle as a space ship because it requires 
an external fuel tank and two extra rockets to get into space.


That's like saying that an ocean liner isn't
a ship because it wouldn't be able to get off
the ground into the sea by itself.

Many of the ships in science fiction are
always in space and never land or take off at
all. I don't see that disqualifying them from
being *space* ships.

If we ever end up sending a manned mission to
mars, the main vehicle will probably be assembled
in space and remain there. To me that makes it
even more of a "ship of space".

--
Greg

Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[PyMike]

Awesome, Nick!

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 5:39 AM, Nick Moffitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> René Dudfield:
> > I like space ships.
>
> I made some fun Pixel Spaceships:
>
>
> http://zork.net/~nick/pixel/blackspace.py
>
> They're based on http://www.davebollinger.com/works/pixelspaceships/
>
> I think they're neat, even if that code is a terrible example of pygame
> coding.
>
> --
> "These people program the way Victorians dress.  Nick Moffitt
> It takes two hours and three assistants to put on   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> your clothes, and you have to change before dinner.
> But everything is modular."-- Miles Nordin, on PAM
>



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Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[Nick Moffitt]

René Dudfield:
> I like space ships.

I made some fun Pixel Spaceships:

http://zork.net/~nick/pixel/blackspace.py

They're based on http://www.davebollinger.com/works/pixelspaceships/

I think they're neat, even if that code is a terrible example of pygame
coding.

-- 
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It takes two hours and three assistants to put on   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
your clothes, and you have to change before dinner.
But everything is modular."-- Miles Nordin, on PAM

Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[Richard Goedeken]

All space vehicles use staging; the space shuttle's are just on the side.  NASA 
also made the Saturn 5, don't forget.  The space shuttle is a poor investment 
but an incredibly high-performance vehicle and launch system.  It can lift 
almost as much as the Saturn 5 (including the orbiter) -- way more than any 
Russian vehicle. :)


Richard


Ian Mallett wrote:

hmmm.
I would not define the space shuttle as a space ship because it requires 
an external fuel tank and two extra rockets to get into space.  In fact, 
all of NASA's creations, then have not been rockets because they cannot 
travel to and from space without incredible difficulty and sacrifice of 
parts.

Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[FT]

What ever happened to a list talking about game writing and code?

Besides, the ship in the garage was, "My Favorite Martian!" Any other
would be copy right infringement, a stolen idea. Ha! Ha!

Also Rod Serling wrote about the "Will The Real Martian Stand Up?" where
footsteps came out of a pond to a restaurant door. Five people got off a bus
and went into the same restaurant. A police oficer came to the area to
investigate a UFO landing in a pond and noticed the footsteps going to the
door of the restaurant.
The officer went inside the restaurant to tried to find out who was the
Martian. At the end the Martian boasted to another man that he was the
Martian. Only to be talking to a Venusian. The Martian said he was sending
ships to take over earth and the Venusian said, "I know, our ships have
intercepted them, and we are now going to take over the Earth!"

So, when will we start talking about code, I like when a list is a list
for Py_Games, and not talk. Also, a spaceship stays in space, the shuttle is
a shuttle, and can not be anything but a shuttle...

Bruce


OK then, I like spacecraft too.

Lenard


Ian Mallett wrote:
> hmmm.
> I would not define the space shuttle as a space ship because it
> requires an external fuel tank and two extra rockets to get into
> space.  In fact, all of NASA's creations, then have not been rockets
> because they cannot travel to and from space without incredible
> difficulty and sacrifice of parts.


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Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[AlgoMantra]

which reminds me of:

"There are no passengers on spaceship earth.
We are all crew."

(Marshall McLuhan)

Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[Lenard Lindstrom]

OK then, I like spacecraft too.

Lenard


Ian Mallett wrote:

hmmm.
I would not define the space shuttle as a space ship because it 
requires an external fuel tank and two extra rockets to get into 
space.  In fact, all of NASA's creations, then have not been rockets 
because they cannot travel to and from space without incredible 
difficulty and sacrifice of parts.

Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[Ian Mallett]

hmmm.
I would not define the space shuttle as a space ship because it requires an
external fuel tank and two extra rockets to get into space.  In fact, all of
NASA's creations, then have not been rockets because they cannot travel to
and from space without incredible difficulty and sacrifice of parts.

Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[Lenard Lindstrom]

I thought the space shuttle is the only true spaceship. Everything 
before it was a spacecraft.



Lenard


Greg Ewing wrote:


He didn't say "shuttle", specifically. You could probably
fit in a Mercury or Gemini, maybe even an Apollo command
module. The booster would be a bit of a squeeze, though.

On the fictional side, the Star Trek shuttles look like
they might come close to fitting in a domestic garage.

Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[Greg Ewing]

Adam Bark wrote:


Cool cos I'm trying to right a game involving spaceships, it's 3d


Make sure you include a garage to keep them in!

--
Greg

Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[Greg Ewing]

Lenard Lindstrom wrote:

Ian Mallett wrote:



> Well, the spaceship I have in my garage, of course.



You have a space shuttle in your garage. Wow, that must be one big garage.


He didn't say "shuttle", specifically. You could probably
fit in a Mercury or Gemini, maybe even an Apollo command
module. The booster would be a bit of a squeeze, though.

On the fictional side, the Star Trek shuttles look like
they might come close to fitting in a domestic garage.

--
Greg

Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[Ian Mallett]

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, PyMike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> He might have a LEGO spaceship in his garage...

Bingo.

Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[Ian Mallett]

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:45 PM, AlgoMantra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We've not yet confirmed if Ian is humanoid. It is yet early to speculate
> about the size of his ship, and therefore, his garage.
>
I sense much logicality in this one.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Adam Bark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Cool cos I'm trying to right a game involving spaceships, it's 3d
>
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d
Ian

Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[Adam Bark]

On 03/03/2008, René Dudfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I like space ships.
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Greg Ewing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Gary Bishop wrote:
> >  > Speaking of "selfish and lazy", changing topics in a thread without
> >  > changing the subject is the worst.
> >
> >  Sorry about that!
> >
> >  --
> >  Greg
> >
>

Cool cos I'm trying to right a game involving spaceships, it's 3d

Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[PyMike]

He might have a LEGO spaceship in his garage...

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 6:45 PM, AlgoMantra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 5:29 AM, Lenard Lindstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > You have a space shuttle in your garage. Wow, that must be one big
> > garage.
>
>
> We've not yet confirmed if Ian is humanoid. It is yet early to speculate
> about the size of his ship, and therefore, his garage.
>
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Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[Lenard Lindstrom]

Fictional. I meant fictional. Poor choice of words.

PyMike wrote:

Ian: What kind of spaceship is it?
Lenard: The imaginary ones :D

Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[AlgoMantra]

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 5:29 AM, Lenard Lindstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You have a space shuttle in your garage. Wow, that must be one big garage.


We've not yet confirmed if Ian is humanoid. It is yet early to speculate
about the size of his ship, and therefore, his garage.

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Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[Lenard Lindstrom]

You have a space shuttle in your garage. Wow, that must be one big garage.

Lenard



Ian Mallett wrote:

Well, the spaceship I have in my garage, of course.
If something is not mine, how can I possibly like it?
Obviously, the world benefits not from my solipsism.

Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[PyMike]

Ian: What kind of spaceship is it?
Lenard: The imaginary ones :D

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Ian Mallett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, the spaceship I have in my garage, of course.If something is not
> mine, how can I possibly like it?
> Obviously, the world benefits not from my solipsism.
>



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Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[Ian Mallett]

Well, the spaceship I have in my garage, of course.If something is not mine,
how can I possibly like it?
Obviously, the world benefits not from my solipsism.

Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[Lenard Lindstrom]

All spaceships, or only the imaginary ones?

Lenard

PyMike wrote:

Spaceships are cool...

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Ian Mallett <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


As do I. 

Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[PyMike]

Spaceships are cool...

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Ian Mallett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As do I.




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Re: [pygame] space ships (Re: Misnamed threads (Re: Posting styles (Re: Text To Speech PYTTS)))

[Ian Mallett]

As do I.