Re: [pylons-discuss] Replacing Freenode?

2021-06-17 Thread Bert JW Regeer 
Freenode imploded on itself. They dropped all registrations and all channels. 
It’s a free for all. As of right now I am not on IRC anymore, nor have I been 
in a long time.

I can’t speak for others, but looking at the logs I saved from before I 
destroyed the VM that was running my bouncer, the IRC channel hadn’t seen 
action in a good while.

> On Jun 14, 2021, at 13:29, Steve Piercy  wrote:
> 
> On 6/14/21 12:56 PM, Andrew Martin wrote:
>> What are the necessary bits at this point, Steve?
> 
> https://groups.google.com/g/pylons-discuss/c/Lm5f6jx0SHM/m/B4OeetvsAAAJ
> 
> But to elaborate:
> 
> 1.  Get consensus from maintainers.
> 
> These individuals could be classified by their recent activity.  The 
> following are their usernames on GitHub or PyPI.  This may be a challenge as 
> we are scattered across IRC, Keybase (https://keybase.io/team/pylons), and 
> this discussion group.  Regardless the discussion must be open and public as 
> much as practical.
> 
> Make good faith effort to achieve consensus (currently active maintainer):
> stevepiercy
> xistence
> mmerickel
> zupo
> ergo
> gawel
> 
> Invite to participate in the decision, but don't expect response (formerly 
> active maintainer):
> chrism
> tseaver
> ericoandrei
> miohtama
> crooksey
> signum
> agronholm
> ianb
> cdent
> haypo
> bbangert
> blaflamme
> chrism
> nouri
> iElectric
> rockyburt
> goodwillcoding
> tr_h
> danjac
> lambacck
> fschulze
> cguardia
> wichert
> chrisrossi
> J1m
> 
> 2.  Set up the service.
> 
> Lots of details omitted until service is decided by consensus.
> 
> 3.  Update active repos.
> 
> A quick search reveals 100 instances, most of which are not active or 
> maintained.  I'd say if the repo has not been updated in the last 5 years, it 
> can be put in the pile of "round-to-its".  Perhaps only 3 years?  That would 
> be another question for the active maintainers to decide.
> 
> https://github.com/search?q=org%3APylons+freenode=code
> 
> 4.  Draft announcements.
> 
> - Emails to pylons-discuss (https://groups.google.com/g/pylons-discuss) and 
> pylons-devel (https://groups.google.com/g/pylons-devel).
> - Tweet from @PylonsProject
> - Prepare message for #pyramid and #pylons on Freenode, but do not post.
> 
> 5.  Update greeting on existing #pyramid and #pylons channels on Freenode to 
> move to new service.
> 
> This should be last because Freenode is banning everyone and everything that 
> expresses a mouse fart of dissent.
> 
> 6.  Other?
> 
> I may have missed something, but this is a good start.
> 
> --steve
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Re: [pylons-discuss] Replacing Freenode?

2021-06-14 Thread Steve Piercy 
On 6/14/21 12:56 PM, Andrew Martin wrote:
> What are the necessary bits at this point, Steve?

https://groups.google.com/g/pylons-discuss/c/Lm5f6jx0SHM/m/B4OeetvsAAAJ

But to elaborate:

1.  Get consensus from maintainers.

These individuals could be classified by their recent activity.  The following 
are their usernames on GitHub or PyPI.  This may be a challenge as we are 
scattered across IRC, Keybase (https://keybase.io/team/pylons), and this 
discussion group.  Regardless the discussion must be open and public as much as 
practical.

Make good faith effort to achieve consensus (currently active maintainer):
stevepiercy
xistence
mmerickel
zupo
ergo
gawel

Invite to participate in the decision, but don't expect response (formerly 
active maintainer):
chrism
tseaver
ericoandrei
miohtama
crooksey
signum
agronholm
ianb
cdent
haypo
bbangert
blaflamme
chrism
nouri
iElectric
rockyburt
goodwillcoding
tr_h
danjac
lambacck
fschulze
cguardia
wichert
chrisrossi
J1m

2.  Set up the service.

Lots of details omitted until service is decided by consensus.

3.  Update active repos.

A quick search reveals 100 instances, most of which are not active or 
maintained.  I'd say if the repo has not been updated in the last 5 years, it 
can be put in the pile of "round-to-its".  Perhaps only 3 years?  That would be 
another question for the active maintainers to decide.

https://github.com/search?q=org%3APylons+freenode=code

4.  Draft announcements.

- Emails to pylons-discuss (https://groups.google.com/g/pylons-discuss) and 
pylons-devel (https://groups.google.com/g/pylons-devel).
- Tweet from @PylonsProject
- Prepare message for #pyramid and #pylons on Freenode, but do not post.

5.  Update greeting on existing #pyramid and #pylons channels on Freenode to 
move to new service.

This should be last because Freenode is banning everyone and everything that 
expresses a mouse fart of dissent.

6.  Other?

I may have missed something, but this is a good start.

--steve

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Re: [pylons-discuss] Replacing Freenode?

2021-06-14 Thread Joshua Drake 
There is a #pylons and @pylons-discuss on libera.chat

On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 12:56 PM Andrew Martin  wrote:

> What are the necessary bits at this point, Steve?
>
> -andrew
>
> > On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:51 PM, Steve Piercy 
> wrote:
> >
> > On 6/14/21 10:36 AM, Sean Hammond wrote:
> >> I can no longer access the #pyramid channel because the IRC client that
> I use (IRCCloud) has been banned from Freenode:
> >>
> >> https://twitter.com/IRCCloud/status/1404153550159159298 <
> https://twitter.com/IRCCloud/status/1404153550159159298>
> >>
> >> #python moved to Libera:
> https://nedbatchelder.com/blog/202106/goodbye_freenode.html <
> https://nedbatchelder.com/blog/202106/goodbye_freenode.html>
> >
> > As a temporary workaround, there is a web client.
> >
> > https://webchat.freenode.net/#pyramid
> >
> > Meanwhile, my offer to support someone who will be the champion to do
> the necessary bits still stands.  Think of the glory!
> >
> > --steve
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Re: [pylons-discuss] Replacing Freenode?

2021-06-14 Thread Andrew Martin 
What are the necessary bits at this point, Steve?

-andrew

> On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:51 PM, Steve Piercy  wrote:
> 
> On 6/14/21 10:36 AM, Sean Hammond wrote:
>> I can no longer access the #pyramid channel because the IRC client that I 
>> use (IRCCloud) has been banned from Freenode:
>> 
>> https://twitter.com/IRCCloud/status/1404153550159159298 
>> 
>> 
>> #python moved to Libera: 
>> https://nedbatchelder.com/blog/202106/goodbye_freenode.html 
>> 
> 
> As a temporary workaround, there is a web client.
> 
> https://webchat.freenode.net/#pyramid
> 
> Meanwhile, my offer to support someone who will be the champion to do the 
> necessary bits still stands.  Think of the glory!
> 
> --steve
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Re: [pylons-discuss] Replacing Freenode?

2021-06-14 Thread Steve Piercy 
On 6/14/21 10:36 AM, Sean Hammond wrote:
> I can no longer access the #pyramid channel because the IRC client that I use 
> (IRCCloud) has been banned from Freenode:
> 
> https://twitter.com/IRCCloud/status/1404153550159159298 
> 
> 
> #python moved to Libera: 
> https://nedbatchelder.com/blog/202106/goodbye_freenode.html 
> 

As a temporary workaround, there is a web client.

https://webchat.freenode.net/#pyramid

Meanwhile, my offer to support someone who will be the champion to do the 
necessary bits still stands.  Think of the glory!

--steve

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Re: [pylons-discuss] Replacing Freenode?

2021-06-14 Thread Sean Hammond 
I can no longer access the #pyramid channel because the IRC client that I use 
(IRCCloud) has been banned from Freenode:

https://twitter.com/IRCCloud/status/1404153550159159298

#python moved to Libera: 
https://nedbatchelder.com/blog/202106/goodbye_freenode.html

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Re: [pylons-discuss] Replacing Freenode?

2021-05-20 Thread 'Jonathan Vanasco' via pylons-discuss 
just to be clear, my main concern is the majority of staff have quit -- so 
reliability is likely to be an issue. the only one I have not seen an 
announcement from is their infrastructure lead. 
On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 4:11:44 PM UTC-4 Steve Piercy wrote:

> We have not discussed it. It's a matter of inertia and the effort required 
> to move official Pylons Project support channels to something else. No one 
> wants to do that work as a volunteer.
>
> It is fine if someone takes the initiative to establish an unofficial 
> community-driven Pylons Project channel on whatever they like, Discord, 
> Slack, Gitter, carrier pigeon...
>
> --steve
>
>
> On 5/19/21 9:07 AM, Joshua Drake wrote:
> > Without getting into the politics of it...
> > 
> > OFTC could be a good choice. It is what Software in the Public Interest 
> uses which is behind such stalwarts as Debian, Libreoffice (in the U.S.) 
> and PostgreSQL.Org
> > 
> > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 7:24 AM 'Jonathan Vanasco' via pylons-discuss <
> pylons-...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
> > 
> > Are there any plans to replace Freenode, in light of the recent 
> developments?
> > 
> > See:
> > 
> https://boingboing.net/2021/05/19/freenode-irc-staff-quit-after-new-owner-seizes-control.html
>  
> <
> https://boingboing.net/2021/05/19/freenode-irc-staff-quit-after-new-owner-seizes-control.html
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> > https://libera.chat/ 
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Re: [pylons-discuss] Replacing Freenode?

2021-05-19 Thread Steve Piercy 
We have not discussed it.  It's a matter of inertia and the effort required to 
move official Pylons Project support channels to something else.  No one wants 
to do that work as a volunteer.

It is fine if someone takes the initiative to establish an unofficial 
community-driven Pylons Project channel on whatever they like, Discord, Slack, 
Gitter, carrier pigeon...

--steve


On 5/19/21 9:07 AM, Joshua Drake wrote:
> Without getting into the politics of it...
> 
> OFTC could be a good choice. It is what Software in the Public Interest uses 
> which is behind such stalwarts as Debian, Libreoffice (in the U.S.) and 
> PostgreSQL.Org
> 
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 7:24 AM 'Jonathan Vanasco' via pylons-discuss 
> mailto:pylons-discuss@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Are there any plans to replace Freenode, in light of the recent 
> developments?
> 
> See:
>     
> https://boingboing.net/2021/05/19/freenode-irc-staff-quit-after-new-owner-seizes-control.html
>  
> 
>     https://libera.chat/ 
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Re: [pylons-discuss] Replacing Freenode?

2021-05-19 Thread Joshua Drake 
Without getting into the politics of it...

OFTC could be a good choice. It is what Software in the Public Interest
uses which is behind such stalwarts as Debian, Libreoffice (in the U.S.)
and PostgreSQL.Org

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 7:24 AM 'Jonathan Vanasco' via pylons-discuss <
pylons-discuss@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Are there any plans to replace Freenode, in light of the recent
> developments?
>
> See:
>
> https://boingboing.net/2021/05/19/freenode-irc-staff-quit-after-new-owner-seizes-control.html
> https://libera.chat/
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[pylons-discuss] Replacing Freenode?

2021-05-19 Thread 'Jonathan Vanasco' via pylons-discuss 
Are there any plans to replace Freenode, in light of the recent 
developments?

See:
  
  
https://boingboing.net/2021/05/19/freenode-irc-staff-quit-after-new-owner-seizes-control.html
https://libera.chat/

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