Re: [PyQt] Dilemma: Pqt or wxpython
Am Dienstag, 11. September 2012, 16:39:01 schrieb Gour: > On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:14:42 +0100 > > "Tony Lynch" wrote: > > Qt is much better than wx in general, and more widely used. I'd go for > > Qt/PyQt every time, > > One pro for wx might be using native toolkits and (probably) looking > better which is possible concern on Windows & Mac OS X platforms? Well, after fixing all those platform specific wx glitches and coping with behavior deviations, given those are fixable at python level, you start to get an basic idea, why Qt is done that way. Note, that even the DotNet framework follows a similar approach... While dated, here are some more details: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/python/391333?do=post_view_threaded#391333 Cheers, Pete ___ PyQt mailing listPyQt@riverbankcomputing.com http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/mailman/listinfo/pyqt
Re: [PyQt] Dilemma: Pqt or wxpython
On Tuesday 11 September 2012, 15:23:31 Phil Thompson wrote: > Hi Tony! > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:14:42 +0100, "Tony Lynch" wrote: > > Phil has maintained PyQt uninterrupted for (I think) 8 or 9 years. He > > tends to fix bugs within a day. Qt is much better than wx in general, > > and more widely used. I'd go for Qt/PyQt every time, > > Actually it's coming up to the 14th anniversary of the first release. And eric, the Python aand PyQt IDE is approaching the 10th anniversary. Actually it is a bit over 10 years that Phil talked me into taking over a non- functional Python debugger with a PyQt interface. This was the start of my PyQt envolvement. Thanks for that, Phil! > > Phil > ___ > PyQt mailing listPyQt@riverbankcomputing.com > http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/mailman/listinfo/pyqt -- Detlev Offenbach det...@die-offenbachs.de___ PyQt mailing listPyQt@riverbankcomputing.com http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/mailman/listinfo/pyqt
Re: [PyQt] Dilemma: Pqt or wxpython
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:14:42 +0100 "Tony Lynch" wrote: > Qt is much better than wx in general, and more widely used. I'd go for > Qt/PyQt every time, One pro for wx might be using native toolkits and (probably) looking better which is possible concern on Windows & Mac OS X platforms? Sincerely, Gour -- As fire is covered by smoke, as a mirror is covered by dust, or as the embryo is covered by the womb, the living entity is similarly covered by different degrees of this lust. http://www.atmarama.net | Hlapicina (Croatia) | GPG: 52B5C810 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ PyQt mailing listPyQt@riverbankcomputing.com http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/mailman/listinfo/pyqt
Re: [PyQt] Dilemma: Pqt or wxpython
Hi Tony! On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:14:42 +0100, "Tony Lynch" wrote: > Phil has maintained PyQt uninterrupted for (I think) 8 or 9 years. He > tends to fix bugs within a day. Qt is much better than wx in general, > and more widely used. I'd go for Qt/PyQt every time, Actually it's coming up to the 14th anniversary of the first release. Phil ___ PyQt mailing listPyQt@riverbankcomputing.com http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/mailman/listinfo/pyqt
Re: [PyQt] Dilemma: Pqt or wxpython
Phil has maintained PyQt uninterrupted for (I think) 8 or 9 years. He tends to fix bugs within a day. Qt is much better than wx in general, and more widely used. I'd go for Qt/PyQt every time, Regards Tony > -Original Message- > From: pyqt-boun...@riverbankcomputing.com [mailto:pyqt- > boun...@riverbankcomputing.com] On Behalf Of Gour > Sent: 11 September 2012 14:05 > To: pyqt@riverbankcomputing.com > Subject: Re: [PyQt] Dilemma: Pqt or wxpython > > On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 13:14:13 -0400 > Doug Bell wrote: > > Hopefully, you don't mind jumping into this (old) thread... > > > Several years ago I wrote the same simple application in both > > toolkits. After that, it became obvious that PyQt was the way to go. > > The wx toolkit was not very friendly to use, reminding me way too > much > > of the bad old days with Microsoft's MFC. PyQt is really > > cross-platform: something written and debugged on Linux is very > nearly > > guaranteed to work well on Windows, and vice-versa. On wxPython, > > there was no shortage of platform-specific bugs. > > I'm in the same boat today...abandoned idea to wait & use some working > GUI library in D language and decided to learn & use python. > > Personally, I use gtk-based desktop (Xfce) and I like it, but would > like to write general-purpose desktop open-source application capable > to run on Linux, Mac & Windows. > > I cannot speak about wx's API (un)friendliness and/or platform-specific > bugs, but my main concern is that wxWidgets project does not have many > active developers... > > Of course, PyQt is, afaik, mostly one-man show, similar to wxpython and > tireless work from Robin Dunn, but, otoh, Qt has much bigger > development community. > > What do you think about my concern in regards to this dilemma and/or > some other relevant point to decide properly[1] ? > > Let me add that I also plan to use Cython (for speed purposes of > project's back-end functionality), as well as to use Python3. > > [1] my project will be done in my spare time, so I'd like to avoid > learning and coding in the 'wrong' toolkit which is not properly > developed/maintained. > > > Sincerely, > Gour > > > -- > Bewildered by the modes of material nature, the ignorant fully engage > themselves in material activities and become attached. But the wise > should not unsettle them, although these duties are inferior due to the > performers' lack of knowledge. > > http://www.atmarama.net | Hlapicina (Croatia) | GPG: 52B5C810 ___ PyQt mailing listPyQt@riverbankcomputing.com http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/mailman/listinfo/pyqt
Re: [PyQt] Dilemma: Pqt or wxpython
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:13:18 +0200 "Szabo, Patrick \(LNG-VIE\)" wrote: > I have used both wyPython and PyQt and to be honest, at the time > there wasn't much difference. PyQt is a little more powerfull but the > syntax and "style" is imho almost the same. Thanks. > If you wan't to use Python3 you should use PyQt since wxPython has no > stable release for Python3 and is afaik discontinued. Well, Phoenix project with wxPython bindings based on PyQT's SIP tool is on the way...? Sincerely, Gour -- There is no possibility of one's becoming a yogī, O Arjuna, if one eats too much or eats too little, sleeps too much or does not sleep enough. http://www.atmarama.net | Hlapicina (Croatia) | GPG: 52B5C810 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ PyQt mailing listPyQt@riverbankcomputing.com http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/mailman/listinfo/pyqt
Re: [PyQt] Dilemma: Pqt or wxpython
Well, if you are concerned by the one-man-show issue, then you should go with PyQt because you should easily be able to write code that works with both, PyQt and PySide. My main concern is about graphics. I have to find a replacement for PyQwt (not any longer maintained and only available for PyQt). Armando On 11.09.2012 15:05, Gour wrote: On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 13:14:13 -0400 Doug Bell wrote: Hopefully, you don't mind jumping into this (old) thread... Several years ago I wrote the same simple application in both toolkits. After that, it became obvious that PyQt was the way to go. The wx toolkit was not very friendly to use, reminding me way too much of the bad old days with Microsoft's MFC. PyQt is really cross-platform: something written and debugged on Linux is very nearly guaranteed to work well on Windows, and vice-versa. On wxPython, there was no shortage of platform-specific bugs. I'm in the same boat today...abandoned idea to wait & use some working GUI library in D language and decided to learn & use python. Personally, I use gtk-based desktop (Xfce) and I like it, but would like to write general-purpose desktop open-source application capable to run on Linux, Mac & Windows. I cannot speak about wx's API (un)friendliness and/or platform-specific bugs, but my main concern is that wxWidgets project does not have many active developers... Of course, PyQt is, afaik, mostly one-man show, similar to wxpython and tireless work from Robin Dunn, but, otoh, Qt has much bigger development community. What do you think about my concern in regards to this dilemma and/or some other relevant point to decide properly[1] ? Let me add that I also plan to use Cython (for speed purposes of project's back-end functionality), as well as to use Python3. [1] my project will be done in my spare time, so I'd like to avoid learning and coding in the 'wrong' toolkit which is not properly developed/maintained. Sincerely, Gour ___ PyQt mailing listPyQt@riverbankcomputing.com http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/mailman/listinfo/pyqt
Re: [PyQt] Dilemma: Pqt or wxpython
I have used both wyPython and PyQt and to be honest, at the time there wasn't much difference. PyQt is a little more powerfull but the syntax and "style" is imho almost the same. If you wan't to use Python3 you should use PyQt since wxPython has no stable release for Python3 and is afaik discontinued. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Developer Patrick Szabo Developer LexisNexis A-1030 Wien, Marxergasse 25 mailto:patrick.sz...@lexisnexis.at Tel.: +43 1 53452 1573 Fax: +43 1 534 52 146 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: pyqt-boun...@riverbankcomputing.com [mailto:pyqt-boun...@riverbankcomputing.com] Im Auftrag von Gour Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 15:05 An: pyqt@riverbankcomputing.com Betreff: Re: [PyQt] Dilemma: Pqt or wxpython On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 13:14:13 -0400 Doug Bell wrote: Hopefully, you don't mind jumping into this (old) thread... > Several years ago I wrote the same simple application in both > toolkits. After that, it became obvious that PyQt was the way to go. > The wx toolkit was not very friendly to use, reminding me way too > much of the bad old days with Microsoft's MFC. PyQt is really > cross-platform: something written and debugged on Linux is very > nearly guaranteed to work well on Windows, and vice-versa. On > wxPython, there was no shortage of platform-specific bugs. I'm in the same boat today...abandoned idea to wait & use some working GUI library in D language and decided to learn & use python. Personally, I use gtk-based desktop (Xfce) and I like it, but would like to write general-purpose desktop open-source application capable to run on Linux, Mac & Windows. I cannot speak about wx's API (un)friendliness and/or platform-specific bugs, but my main concern is that wxWidgets project does not have many active developers... Of course, PyQt is, afaik, mostly one-man show, similar to wxpython and tireless work from Robin Dunn, but, otoh, Qt has much bigger development community. What do you think about my concern in regards to this dilemma and/or some other relevant point to decide properly[1] ? Let me add that I also plan to use Cython (for speed purposes of project's back-end functionality), as well as to use Python3. [1] my project will be done in my spare time, so I'd like to avoid learning and coding in the 'wrong' toolkit which is not properly developed/maintained. Sincerely, Gour -- Bewildered by the modes of material nature, the ignorant fully engage themselves in material activities and become attached. But the wise should not unsettle them, although these duties are inferior due to the performers' lack of knowledge. http://www.atmarama.net | Hlapicina (Croatia) | GPG: 52B5C810 ___ PyQt mailing listPyQt@riverbankcomputing.com http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/mailman/listinfo/pyqt
Re: [PyQt] Dilemma: Pqt or wxpython
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 13:14:13 -0400 Doug Bell wrote: Hopefully, you don't mind jumping into this (old) thread... > Several years ago I wrote the same simple application in both > toolkits. After that, it became obvious that PyQt was the way to go. > The wx toolkit was not very friendly to use, reminding me way too > much of the bad old days with Microsoft's MFC. PyQt is really > cross-platform: something written and debugged on Linux is very > nearly guaranteed to work well on Windows, and vice-versa. On > wxPython, there was no shortage of platform-specific bugs. I'm in the same boat today...abandoned idea to wait & use some working GUI library in D language and decided to learn & use python. Personally, I use gtk-based desktop (Xfce) and I like it, but would like to write general-purpose desktop open-source application capable to run on Linux, Mac & Windows. I cannot speak about wx's API (un)friendliness and/or platform-specific bugs, but my main concern is that wxWidgets project does not have many active developers... Of course, PyQt is, afaik, mostly one-man show, similar to wxpython and tireless work from Robin Dunn, but, otoh, Qt has much bigger development community. What do you think about my concern in regards to this dilemma and/or some other relevant point to decide properly[1] ? Let me add that I also plan to use Cython (for speed purposes of project's back-end functionality), as well as to use Python3. [1] my project will be done in my spare time, so I'd like to avoid learning and coding in the 'wrong' toolkit which is not properly developed/maintained. Sincerely, Gour -- Bewildered by the modes of material nature, the ignorant fully engage themselves in material activities and become attached. But the wise should not unsettle them, although these duties are inferior due to the performers' lack of knowledge. http://www.atmarama.net | Hlapicina (Croatia) | GPG: 52B5C810 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ PyQt mailing listPyQt@riverbankcomputing.com http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/mailman/listinfo/pyqt
[PyQt] Dilemma: Pqt or wxpython (col speed)
--> snip Shameless link: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/python/391333?do=post_view_threaded#391333 Not shameless, I would call it cool. >Several years ago I wrote the same simple application in both toolkits. >After that, it became obvious that PyQt was the way to go. The wx >toolkit was not very friendly to use, reminding me way too much of the >bad old days with Microsoft's MFC. PyQt is really cross-platform: >something written and debugged on Linux is very nearly guaranteed to >work well on Windows, and vice-versa. On wxPython, there was no >shortage of platform-specific bugs. >I recommend that you do the same thing: write the same small >application in both toolkits. If you want the result fairly quickly, >you can start with an example program that you only need to partially >modify. After that, the answer should be clear. >> Don't forget that a downside is haveing me asking silly questions. >No worries - we have no shortage of silly answers... >- Doug Should be obvious to a fool, I haven't got that far yet. As I have downloaded both, I will act on your suggestion. As for silly answers, I'm a teacher so I know all about them. I think I may have made my decision on these replies alone! Thanks a lot Colin -- ___ PyQt mailing listPyQt@riverbankcomputing.com http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/mailman/listinfo/pyqt
Re: [PyQt] Dilemma: Pqt or wxpython
col speed wrote: > Hi, > I'm a newbie that has been learning python for the last 3 > years(between work, family and beer). I would like to learn GUI > programming and I have looked at pqt and wx. I am obviously not asking > which, but why? Why would you recommend PyQt as against wx? Several years ago I wrote the same simple application in both toolkits. After that, it became obvious that PyQt was the way to go. The wx toolkit was not very friendly to use, reminding me way too much of the bad old days with Microsoft's MFC. PyQt is really cross-platform: something written and debugged on Linux is very nearly guaranteed to work well on Windows, and vice-versa. On wxPython, there was no shortage of platform-specific bugs. I recommend that you do the same thing: write the same small application in both toolkits. If you want the result fairly quickly, you can start with an example program that you only need to partially modify. After that, the answer should be clear. > Don't forget that a downside is haveing me asking silly questions. No worries - we have no shortage of silly answers... - Doug ___ PyQt mailing listPyQt@riverbankcomputing.com http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/mailman/listinfo/pyqt
Re: [PyQt] Dilemma: Pqt or wxpython
On Friday 08 April 2011, 17:42:23 col speed wrote: > ?Hi, > I'm a newbie that has been learning python for the last 3 > years(between work, family and beer). > I would like to learn GUI programming and I have looked at pqt and > wx. I am obviously not asking which, but why? Why would you recommend > PyQt as against wx? > Don't forget that a downside is haveing me asking silly questions. Shameless link: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/python/391333?do=post_view_threaded#391333 Pete ___ PyQt mailing listPyQt@riverbankcomputing.com http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/mailman/listinfo/pyqt
[PyQt] Dilemma: Pqt or wxpython
?Hi, I'm a newbie that has been learning python for the last 3 years(between work, family and beer). I would like to learn GUI programming and I have looked at pqt and wx. I am obviously not asking which, but why? Why would you recommend PyQt as against wx? Don't forget that a downside is haveing me asking silly questions. Cheers Colin -- ___ PyQt mailing listPyQt@riverbankcomputing.com http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/mailman/listinfo/pyqt
