[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-12-09 Thread Gregory P. Smith

Gregory P. Smith  added the comment:

fyi - since I didn't chime in earlier on this: I think you made the right 
choice with what was decided in msg122413 and implemented in the renaming done 
in r86910 and the work done in issue10242.

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-30 Thread Ezio Melotti

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s/regexp/regex/ done in r86910.

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-29 Thread Michael Foord

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Raymond - I created a new issue for moving the tests: issue 10572

However, it seems that you are incorrect in saying that Python practise is to 
avoid putting tests inside standard library packages. In fact current Python 
practise seems to be that where tests themselves are a package they are 
*always* inside the standard library package and *not* inside Lib/test. For 
example:  email, distutils, ctypes, importlib, json, lib2to3, sqlite3, tkinter, 

I couldn't see any counter-examples. There are no test packages inside Lib/test 
(other than leakers that are obviously a category of tests and not tests for a 
particular package).

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-28 Thread Raymond Hettinger

Raymond Hettinger  added the comment:

Ezio, please do the regexp-->regex changes and move the tests under Lib/test.

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-25 Thread Ezio Melotti

Ezio Melotti  added the comment:

If I implement what I suggested in #10535, it will be possible to deprecate 
them without too much trouble. I offer to do it after #10535.

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-25 Thread Raymond Hettinger

Raymond Hettinger  added the comment:

Yes, all the variants of RegexpMatches --> Regex 
No, on deprecations.  Just add a new alias and note in the docs that the 
oldname is obsolete.  Naming deprecations cause too much trouble for too little 
benefit.

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-25 Thread Ezio Melotti

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> * Moving the docs for type specific equality methods inside the docs for 
> assertEqual to emphasize that those get dispatched automatically and need not 
> be called directly.

I already fixed this on py3k, adding a section where the type-specific methods 
are described[0] and added a reference in the assertEqual description[1].  I 
also clarified that usually there's no need to call them directly even thought 
I don't see why they shouldn't do it if they want to use a specific test.

> * Changing assertRegexpMatches to assertRegex

And assertNotRegexpMatches -> assertNotRegex,  assertRaisesRegexp -> 
assertRaisesRegex,  assertWarnsRegexp -> assertWarnRegex?
Will the *Regexp forms be deprecated too?

[0]: http://docs.python.org/dev/py3k/library/unittest.html#type-specific-methods
[1]: 
http://docs.python.org/dev/py3k/library/unittest.html#unittest.TestCase.assertEqual

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-25 Thread Raymond Hettinger

Raymond Hettinger  added the comment:

After discussion with Michael and Guido, am limiting this to:

* Fixing assertItemsEqual as described in issue10242

* Moving the docs for type specific equality methods inside the docs for 
assertEqual to emphasize that those get dispatched automatically and need not 
be called directly.

* Changing assertRegexpMatches to assertRegex

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-06 Thread Raymond Hettinger

Raymond Hettinger  added the comment:

> people who are used to the current spelling 
> will have to notice the change, note that one 
> name is now deprecated

I haven't proposed any deprecations.
Just add the new names as aliases.
Change the docs list the new names
as primary and mention the old name for reference.

We don't have to sticking with crummy naming.

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-05 Thread Éric Araujo

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-04 Thread Ezio Melotti

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-04 Thread Ezio Melotti

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It should be noted that, if we re-use assertSameElements, the default behavior 
should be preserved for compatibility with 3.1, and that is different (and 
possibly less useful) than the one of assertItemsEqual. Ambiguities could be 
solved easily specifying the args explicitly every time though.

Regarding assertLT I'm still -1. The current names are imho the best compromise 
between being short and descriptive.
They also match nicely assertEqual (assertLT <-> assertEQ; assertLessThan <-> 
assertEqualTo; but assertLess <-> assertEqual).
Also it might not be immediately obvious what assertGE does, if one is not 
familiar with the special methods or if taken out of context (it's easy to 
recognize it if it's together with assertLT/LE/GT, but alone might just look a 
specialized method with a bad name).
Moreover people who are used to the current spelling will have to notice the 
change, note that one name is now deprecated, update their code, remember if 
the correct name is assertLess or assertLT, wonder if assertEqual has been 
deprecated in favor of assertEQ too, remember the version where the name 
changed (e.g. if they try assertLT on 3.1 it won't work) and so on.

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-03 Thread Raymond Hettinger

Raymond Hettinger  added the comment:

> assertLess, on the other hand, I often get wrong, 
> since it is *not* __lt__ spelled out.

Right.  Even Michael gets that one wrong.

Meditate on why Guido created the special method __lt__ instead of 
__less_than__.

Regardless of why Guido made that choice, we do already have a standard way to 
spell less-than in Python, and it would be good to stick with it.

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-03 Thread R. David Murray

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assertCountsEqual is IMO much clearer than assertItemsCountsEqual (or however 
you spell it).  I was unclear on what the latter did, but the former is fairly 
clear.  Ezio's suggestion is also clearer.

Raymond, since you said 'never' your statement about assertLessEqual is clearly 
false :).  I don't have any problem remembering it (it's just __le__ spelled 
out using the standard unittest camelcase).  assertLess, on the other hand, I 
often get wrong, since it is *not* __lt__ spelled out.

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-03 Thread Raymond Hettinger

Raymond Hettinger  added the comment:

> For the regexp methods we should use assertRegexp 

assertRegex is better.  it matches the name used in other unittest 
implementations, there is not confusion with camel casing RegExp vs Regexp, and 
it matches the former name of Python's own regex module.

> We should leave the gt / le / lt methods as they are. 

The assertLessEqual name is non-standard, it will never be spelled right by 
someone who hasn't used it recently.


> The documentation can be improved by moving *all* the deprecated 
> methods (new and old) out of the main documentation and
> into a separate section at the end of the documentation

See issue 10242 for a suggestion on how to handle renaming (document the new 
and old name in the same entry, noting that one name is old).


>> For assertItemsEqual Raymond suggests assertElementCountsEqual. 
> Why replace a long awkward name with an even longer 
> and more awkward name?

If length is an issue, assertCountsEqual will also do fine.  The important 
virtue is clarity.  The problem with ItemsEqual is that it doesn't tell you 
anything about what it does (unordered comparison where duplicates matter).  
Also, the term "items" in Python usually means key/value pairs.  That is why we 
use the term "elements" in sets, itertools, etc.  In contrast, 
assertCountsEqual tells you what it does, compares the element counts.  It is 
the same as Counter(a)==Counter(b) for hashable elements and an equivalent for 
unhashable elements.

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-03 Thread Ezio Melotti

Ezio Melotti  added the comment:

An alternative would be adding check_order and check_duplicates to 
assertSameElements and de-deprecate it.

Python 2.7 could be left unchanged because it's too late to 
add/rename/deprecate methods (it has assertItemsEqual but not 
assertSameElements). Py3.2 would also be unchanged (assertItemsEqual and the 
deprecation of assertSameElements are both new in 3.2, assertSameElements has 
been introduced in 3.1).
They would end up with two different methods though.

The assertSameElements name seems quite good, and providing extra args will 
make it more flexible (it will cover all the 4 cases listed in msg100685) and 
the behavior would be clear without clumsy method names.

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-03 Thread Antoine Pitrou

Antoine Pitrou  added the comment:

> For assertItemsEqual Raymond suggests assertElementCountsEqual. See
> issue 10242.

Why replace a long awkward name with an even longer and more awkward
name?

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-03 Thread Michael Foord

Michael Foord  added the comment:

Renaming and aliasing methods has a cost. It confuses users of the old names 
(including future users - the current API is now baked into django 1.3 unless I 
can get an update done in time for them to change the version they're using). 
People who use autocomplete or introspection (dir) to explore the APIs will 
also still come across the old names. Given that unittest has just changed a 
lot a further radical change is 'unfortunate'.

However, for both the regexp methods and the Items method the names are 
actually misleading.

For assertItemsEqual Raymond suggests assertElementCountsEqual. See issue 10242.

For the regexp methods we should use assertRegexp - this is shorter, not 
misleading and consistent with assertRaisesRegexp.

We should leave the gt / le / lt methods as they are. There is less consensus 
that these methods should be changed anyway.

The documentation can be improved by moving *all* the deprecated methods (new 
and old) out of the main documentation and into a separate section at the end 
of the documentation.

The type specific asserts we should also move into their own section and out of 
the main documentation. This means users who discover don't have to go to the 
source (there are online references) but they are out of the main documentation.

Hopefully everyone is only equally unhappy with this resolution.

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-03 Thread R. David Murray

R. David Murray  added the comment:

assertEquals existed forever, too, but we deprecated that :) (with no intent to 
remove it, as I understand it).

There is no more ambiguity in "assertLessThan" than there is in assertLT, one 
just has more letters.  True, you have to look it up the first time, but you 
have to do that anyway, so I don't see that as a big deal.  Once you've looked 
it up the first time you know the naming rule and you can figure out all the 
other names.  (Which is not true now, since instead of 'LessThan' we have 
"Less", which does *not* correspond to to the special method name by a simple 
rule).

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-02 Thread Raymond Hettinger

Raymond Hettinger  added the comment:

Besides being shorter, the advantages of assertLE are consistent with the rich 
comparison method names, no worries about Than, no camel casing ambiguities, no 
pluralization or other nmemonic issues (LessThanEqual or LessThanEquals or 
LessThanOrEqual or LessThanOrEqualTo).  The goal is to make sure you don't have 
to look up the spelling every time you use them.  

That being said, assertEqual can't change.  It has been around forever and is 
clear about what it does.

What I am sure about is that assertLess and assertLessEqual are very 
non-standard spellings and that infrequent users of comparison assertions won't 
remember them.

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-02 Thread R. David Murray

R. David Murray  added the comment:

I don't think assertLE is enough of an improvement over assertLessEqual to be 
worth adding yet more deprecated names to unittest. So I'm -0 on this change in 
general.  (I'd be -1 except that it would be kind of nice to have the names be 
shorter :)

If the change is made, then assertEqual should become assertEQ, and 
assertNotEqual should become assertNE.

Another option is to go the other way, and change assertLess to assertLessThan. 
 That is, make the spelling consistently be the spelled out version of the 
abbreviation used in the special methods and elsewhere in the docs.  This would 
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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-02 Thread Raymond Hettinger

Raymond Hettinger  added the comment:

After discussion on python-dev, it seems that API lock-in precludes any change 
to the package structure.  So, the main proposals left are the addition of new 
better aliases for some of the functions and changing to the docs so that the 
new name is clear:

   assertLE(self, other)
  old name:  AssertLessEqual
  . . .

Also, I we should still dedocument assertEqual and its brethren and 
leave assertEqual as the primary interface.  

At some point, we could add an option to assertEqual to allow user control of 
how failing results are displayed.  This would let us separate content from 
presentation (i.e. a==b vs how a diff would get presented).

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-02 Thread Michael Foord

Michael Foord  added the comment:

@Ezio

Good catch. Even though several of us (including myself) prefer assertRegex 
over assertRegexp it is probably better to have consistent APIs otherwise 
people will never remember which methods have the 'p' and which don't.

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-02 Thread Ezio Melotti

Ezio Melotti  added the comment:

FWIW in addition to assertRegexpMatches and assertNotRegexpMatches there are 2 
more methods that use "Regexp": assertRaisesRegexp and the newly introduced 
assertWarnsRegexp.

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-01 Thread Brett Cannon

Brett Cannon  added the comment:

Just sent an email to python-dev, but since this issue sparked it, I might as 
well comment here: unittest shouldn't be made back into a single module.

Ignoring the fact that the file structure has nothing to do with the public API 
and so is orthogonal to the main thrust of this issue, changing it back will 
break imports in code from Python 2.7 that uses the more modular structure that 
now underlies unittest. Considering how much whining we get about code breakage 
any time Michael tries to fix anything in the module I think this is the last 
thing anyone wants to have happen.

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-01 Thread Raymond Hettinger

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-01 Thread Raymond Hettinger

Raymond Hettinger  added the comment:

[Antoine]
> I would prefer assertRegex to assertRegexp

That makes sense.  It is the name used in other unittest implementations, it 
matches what the re module used to be called in Python, and it avoids issues 
with camel casing (i.e. Regexp vs RegExp).

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-01 Thread Antoine Pitrou

Antoine Pitrou  added the comment:

Just my 2 cents:

- I think dedocumenting the type-specific methods is fine (it doesn't mean 
removing them, though); or perhaps relegate them to some advanced section

- It's unfortunate that the renaming suggestion comes so late; I'm not sure 
it's a good idea to rename lots of things after they were introduced (although 
I really don't like assertRegexpMatches)

- assertIsInstance looks more natural to me than the alternative

- I don't think there's any point in undoing the package splitting, since it 
makes Michael's work easier and other people didn't object (not people who 
actively contribute to unittest, that is)

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-11-01 Thread Ezio Melotti

Ezio Melotti  added the comment:

* I would leave assertEqual documented and specify that they should be 
called directly only if the type should be checked, otherwise (if the type 
doesn't matter or it's already tested elsewhere) using assertEqual is enough 
(see also the suggestions in msg120124). -0.5 about dedocumenting, +1 on better 
documentation, possibly in an "advanced" section of the doc (I also find useful 
to know how assertEqual works and that I can register new functions like 
assertEqual).

* assertLT and friends wouldn't match with assertEqual and assertNotEqual 
(assertEQ, assertNE?). Also these names don't seem more obvious or readable 
than assertLess, and will just add confusion and duplication of names, so -1.

* FWIW I like 'Regex' more than 'Regexp' too, assuming that it's worth renaming 
these methods and deprecate the old names (they are already in 2.7). Having a 
'Match' or 'Search' suffix might clarify what the method does -- if it does 
what it says. +0 on the renaming (and +1 to 'Regex' if the rename happens).

* as I said on IRC, assertItemsEqual provides an useful functionality, and even 
if the name is not 100% clear, I'd rather double-check the doc than having to 
reimplement the functionality myself (or having a clumsy long-but-clear name). 
-1 on the removal, +1 on better documentation/performance.

* I think assertIsInstance is fine, however I wonder why the opposite is not 
assertIsNotInstance. Anyway it's probably not worth creating more confusion and 
adding new names just to change the spelling (they are in 2.7 too).

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-10-31 Thread Michael Foord

Michael Foord  added the comment:

In general *none* of this should be done until there is clear consensus on 
Python-dev and it isn't clear that this is the case.

* On the deocumenting: barry warsaw objects to public apis that aren't 
documented and gregory smith asserts (natch) that it *can* be useful to call 
these methods directly for the explicit type checking they do. Let's see how 
this discussion pans out.

* For the greater / less comparison methods (etc) they would have to be new 
names as Python 2.7, 3.1 and unittest2 have the old names. This makes the 
TestCase even *bigger*. Let's see if we can get any consensus on this on 
Python-dev. Like Antoine I prefer assertRegex to assertRegexp.

* Note that assertItemsEqual is not new in 3.2 it is new in 2.7. If we remove 
it we make porting code using Python 2.7 (or earlier with unittest2) 
unnecessarily hard. The functionality is still useful but I agree that making 
the slow path more efficient would be good.

* Recombining the package into a single file *will not* happen without a BDFL 
pronouncement. unittest is massively easier to maintain now.

* Review the camel casing on assertIsInstance - isn't this just bike shedding?

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-10-31 Thread Antoine Pitrou

Antoine Pitrou  added the comment:

I would prefer assertRegex to assertRegexp.

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-10-31 Thread Ezio Melotti

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[issue10273] Clean-up Unittest API

2010-10-31 Thread Raymond Hettinger

New submission from Raymond Hettinger :

* Dedocument assertSetEqual, assertDictEqual, assertListEqual, and 
assertTupleEqual.  These are all automatically dispatched from assertEqual.  
The user need not call any of these directly.  These methods should not have 
been exposed in the docs.

* Add new names and dedocument old names for assertLess, assertLessEqual, 
assertGreater, assertGreaterEqual.   The new names are modeled after the gt, 
le, lt convention used elsewhere in the language.  This avoids to problems 
remembering the current spelling quirks (dropping the Than in LessEqual, 
pluralization, camel casing, being too long, etc).  New names will be assertLE, 
assertLT, assertGE, and assertGT.

* Add news names and dedocument assertRegexpMatches and assertNotRegexpMatches. 
 These names haves have multiple issues (they actually do a re.search not a 
re.match, they are long, the pluralization is inconsistent with the assertEqual 
convention, they don't agree with the names used in other unittest 
implementations such as PHPunit and Junit).  The new names will be assertRegexp 
and assertNotRegexp.

* Remove the assertItemsEqual method (which is new in 3.2).  Its semantics are 
not obvious from its name (i.e. duplicates matter, order does not matter, 
expects elements not items, has O(n**2) behavior after an impending bug fix, 
uses on equality for matching not hashing or ordering).  In most common cases, 
it is more explicit and flexible to use assertEqual after casting to a set, a 
list, or sorted list.  Also note that other unittest implementations such as 
PHPunit and JUnit do not have this method.  See 
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2010-October/105073.html 

* Recombine the package into a single file.  See 
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2010-October/105025.html and 
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2010-October/104887.html

* We need to review the camel cased spelling on two methods that are new in 
3.2.  Should it be assertIsinstance or assertIsInstance?
 assert

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