[python-committers] Re: Notification of a three-month ban from Python core development
Hi Berker, If you have specific concerns, you are always welcome to reach out to the SC or Conduct WG. For now I’ll just say that we are continuing to work through conduct issues. Cheers, -Barry > On Jul 22, 2020, at 16:57, Berker Peksağ wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 10:31 PM Python Steering Council > wrote: >> >> The following message was sent to a core developer. This message was >> thoughtfully and respectfully sent by the Steering Council as a serious >> reminder that the privilege to serve as a core developer comes with the >> responsibility to act thoughtfully. > > I respect the decision to handle this mess without pointing fingers. > However, I must say I was expecting a decision about two people after > I saw the message at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/M56XWU2A6JYFGTMRFIGYHFFSPDWNSKYA/ > Should I expect a similar notification in the near future or should I > directly reach out to the SC or conduct-wg? > > --Berker > ___ > python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/NBMP4JSA2QWPJHZWVALQN2IJ6GBIR7PL/ > Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/KA7ZZPT2ESH5JLFZQZLMG6OQKVAIH2WG/ Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[python-committers] Re: Notification of a three-month ban from Python core development
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 10:31 PM Python Steering Council wrote: > > The following message was sent to a core developer. This message was > thoughtfully and respectfully sent by the Steering Council as a serious > reminder that the privilege to serve as a core developer comes with the > responsibility to act thoughtfully. I respect the decision to handle this mess without pointing fingers. However, I must say I was expecting a decision about two people after I saw the message at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/M56XWU2A6JYFGTMRFIGYHFFSPDWNSKYA/ Should I expect a similar notification in the near future or should I directly reach out to the SC or conduct-wg? --Berker ___ python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/NBMP4JSA2QWPJHZWVALQN2IJ6GBIR7PL/ Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[python-committers] Re: Notification of a three-month ban from Python core development
It’s a really difficult call. Please accept that everyone on the PSF Board, SC, and WG are really trying to do their best. I know you do Nathaniel, so this is not meant to call you out personally, it’s just a general plea for understanding. This has been really difficult for everyone involved, often in ways that are not visible publicly. -Barry > On Jul 22, 2020, at 13:54, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > > Given that this is a response to behavior in public mailing list > posts, the lack of specificity feels off to me. Whatever this person > did is already public. What's being hidden isn't their behavior; it's > the conduct-wg/steering-council's reasoning for banning them. The > point of having a CoC is that everyone is on the same page and can be > confident about what behavior is unacceptable and acceptable, but it's > hard for them or others to learn from this, if you don't tell them or > us why they were banned... > ___ > python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/22464N65TVY4UVECNZ3LL3YUD72S5C3C/ > Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/DROOMERXTNHJ4K7I6A34HV2TEM22M7KI/ Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[python-committers] Re: Notification of a three-month ban from Python core development
Hello Ivan, As mentioned, this was sent to python-committers, i.e. all core developers. The Steering Council, Conduct WG, and PSF Board have been working incredibly diligently on this incident for quite some time. Remember that almost all of us are volunteers too! We have tried to balance transparency and communication with respecting the privacy and reputation of the individuals involved, including the banned member and members who were reprimanded but not banned. We tried to balance the severity of the corrective action with the hope that these members will reflect on the reasons for the warnings or ban, and when they next engage with the community, how they can more closely follow the spirit and letter of the code of conduct. Making this community a place where people feel included, safe, and welcome is exactly why the Steering Council has taken the actions it has taken. If you are still feeling scared, I urge you to reach out to the Steering Council to express your concerns and feelings. Cheers, -Barry > On Jul 22, 2020, at 12:40, Ivan Levkivskyi wrote: > > Hi, > > I don't remember participating in any of the recent discussions on the > mentioned lists. Why is this sent to me? Can you mention any particular posts? > The scary atmosphere here becomes unbearable. I wasn't very active lately > anyway, and I think I will stop contributing indefinitely. > > Best regards, > Ivan > > > On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 20:30, Python Steering Council > wrote: > The following message was sent to a core developer. This message was > thoughtfully and respectfully sent by the Steering Council as a serious > reminder that the privilege to serve as a core developer comes with the > responsibility to act thoughtfully. > > --- > > Based on Code of Conduct violations in your recent mailing list posts, and > under the recommendation of the Code of Conduct Working Group, the Python > Steering Council has voted to issue a three-month corrective action to you > for Core Python development. > This corrective action bans you from all Core Development privileges > including commit rights, issue tracker privileges, and participation in all > core development communication spaces including mailing lists, Discourse, and > Zulip channels. This corrective action will be in effect for three months. At > the end of the three month period, these privileges will be automatically > reinstated. > > The Python Code of Conduct workgroup reviewed the conduct reports and > recommended that corrective action was necessary for the violations. The > Python Steering Council finds these violations to be serious breaches of > civility and expected core development conduct. > > Please consider this corrective action as a serious reminder that Python core > development is a privilege. This privilege to serve as a core developer comes > with the responsibility to act thoughtfully and reflect on how hostile > communications are harmful to other members of the community. We trust that > you will respect the temporary loss of privileges and the seriousness of this > action. > > Respectfully, > Python Steering Council > ___ > python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/2HC5XPURMQL6VRCXPMLQUL7OXBGU6OMS/ > Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > ___ > python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/CLS5E634FCMB6W5H5JBLHZNSFRKKZGJG/ > Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/TQMPBGIHRHUVN7U4G7QX2ZK45XMHHYOI/ Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[python-committers] Re: Notification of a three-month ban from Python core development
Hello Steering Council / Conduct Working Group, I understand and appreciate sharing this with the python-committers list. > Based on Code of Conduct violations in your recent mailing list posts, and under the recommendation of the Code of Conduct Working Group, the Python Steering Council has voted to issue a three-month corrective action to you for Core Python development. 1. Was a warning given to the individual before the ban? 2. Were the details of the Code Of Conduct violation shared explicitly to understand the mistake? 3. Did Steering Council unanimously vote for this action, or was there a majority vote? I understand we are trying to be helpful here, but I also have a feeling that we are stepping into new grounds full of potential landmines. And, whoever that individual is, I hope, this won't deter you from contributing. We all make mistakes. Thank you, Senthil (Note: In order to respect everyone's time, this will be my only email to this topic). On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 12:30 PM Python Steering Council < steering-coun...@python.org> wrote: > The following message was sent to a core developer. This message was > thoughtfully and respectfully sent by the Steering Council as a serious > reminder that the privilege to serve as a core developer comes with the > responsibility to act thoughtfully. > > --- > > Based on Code of Conduct violations in your recent mailing list posts, and > under the recommendation of the Code of Conduct Working Group, the Python > Steering Council has voted to issue a three-month corrective action to you > for Core Python development. > This corrective action bans you from all Core Development privileges > including commit rights, issue tracker privileges, and participation in all > core development communication spaces including mailing lists, Discourse, > and Zulip channels. This corrective action will be in effect for three > months. At the end of the three month period, these privileges will be > automatically reinstated. > > The Python Code of Conduct workgroup reviewed the conduct reports and > recommended that corrective action was necessary for the violations. The > Python Steering Council finds these violations to be serious breaches of > civility and expected core development conduct. > > Please consider this corrective action as a serious reminder that Python > core development is a privilege. This privilege to serve as a core > developer comes with the responsibility to act thoughtfully and reflect on > how hostile communications are harmful to other members of the community. > We trust that you will respect the temporary loss of privileges and the > seriousness of this action. > > Respectfully, > Python Steering Council > ___ > python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/2HC5XPURMQL6VRCXPMLQUL7OXBGU6OMS/ > Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > ___ python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/P2J6WSP73BIRJUTFVRNJJHXJFZNQ3Z3L/ Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[python-committers] Re: Notification of a three-month ban from Python core development
Given that this is a response to behavior in public mailing list posts, the lack of specificity feels off to me. Whatever this person did is already public. What's being hidden isn't their behavior; it's the conduct-wg/steering-council's reasoning for banning them. The point of having a CoC is that everyone is on the same page and can be confident about what behavior is unacceptable and acceptable, but it's hard for them or others to learn from this, if you don't tell them or us why they were banned... ___ python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/22464N65TVY4UVECNZ3LL3YUD72S5C3C/ Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[python-committers] Re: Notification of a three-month ban from Python core development
On 22/07/2020 21.45, Ivan Levkivskyi wrote: > What's the point of sending this to everyone? Why wasn't this sent as a > quote? > Anyway, this doesn't change my decision. Hi Ivan, the message was sent to python-committers. All active Python core developers are subscribed to this mailing list and only core devs can post here. There has been a recent incident on a public mailing list. I see the message from the SC transparent communication without publicly shaming a specific person. It contains sufficient information for people involved in the issue without disclosing the name of the offender. In case you are not aware of the incident then you are in a lucky position. I have followed part of the incident and consider the verdict a mild judgment. Christian ___ python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/MARKZDXRZWSAIFTFP3Q6RIP7IRQOFOTG/ Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[python-committers] Re: Notification of a three-month ban from Python core development
> > What's the point of sending this to everyone? Why wasn't this sent as a > quote? I'm not in the coc workgroup or steering council, but I think a copy was sent for transparency. I personally think it is important that we know that there was an incident, the incident was reviewed, and action was taken. So I appreciate the update on this matter. Thanks. ___ python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/2JW5SEFETZ3PK46XPFZMCUWWWOETUHLK/ Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[python-committers] Re: Notification of a three-month ban from Python core development
What's the point of sending this to everyone? Why wasn't this sent as a quote? Anyway, this doesn't change my decision. On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 20:42, Alex Gaynor wrote: > It was sent to all of python-committers as a heads up that _someone_ was > banned. > > I didn't follow the thread in question, so this is all a little opaque to > me, I have no idea who we're talking about or what their conduct is. I > assume that's intentional. > > Alex > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 3:40 PM Ivan Levkivskyi > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I don't remember participating in any of the recent discussions on the >> mentioned lists. Why is this sent to me? Can you mention any particular >> posts? >> The scary atmosphere here becomes unbearable. I wasn't very active lately >> anyway, and I think I will stop contributing indefinitely. >> >> Best regards, >> Ivan >> >> >> On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 20:30, Python Steering Council < >> steering-coun...@python.org> wrote: >> >>> The following message was sent to a core developer. This message was >>> thoughtfully and respectfully sent by the Steering Council as a serious >>> reminder that the privilege to serve as a core developer comes with the >>> responsibility to act thoughtfully. >>> >>> --- >>> >>> Based on Code of Conduct violations in your recent mailing list posts, >>> and under the recommendation of the Code of Conduct Working Group, the >>> Python Steering Council has voted to issue a three-month corrective action >>> to you for Core Python development. >>> This corrective action bans you from all Core Development privileges >>> including commit rights, issue tracker privileges, and participation in all >>> core development communication spaces including mailing lists, Discourse, >>> and Zulip channels. This corrective action will be in effect for three >>> months. At the end of the three month period, these privileges will be >>> automatically reinstated. >>> >>> The Python Code of Conduct workgroup reviewed the conduct reports and >>> recommended that corrective action was necessary for the violations. The >>> Python Steering Council finds these violations to be serious breaches of >>> civility and expected core development conduct. >>> >>> Please consider this corrective action as a serious reminder that Python >>> core development is a privilege. This privilege to serve as a core >>> developer comes with the responsibility to act thoughtfully and reflect on >>> how hostile communications are harmful to other members of the community. >>> We trust that you will respect the temporary loss of privileges and the >>> seriousness of this action. >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> Python Steering Council >>> ___ >>> python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ >>> Message archived at >>> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/2HC5XPURMQL6VRCXPMLQUL7OXBGU6OMS/ >>> Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >>> >> ___ >> python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ >> Message archived at >> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/CLS5E634FCMB6W5H5JBLHZNSFRKKZGJG/ >> Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >> > > > -- > All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing. > ___ python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/2BGTFAR3DW7XXGQA35ZLGWQXEWKCVGTC/ Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[python-committers] Re: Notification of a three-month ban from Python core development
It was sent to all of python-committers as a heads up that _someone_ was banned. I didn't follow the thread in question, so this is all a little opaque to me, I have no idea who we're talking about or what their conduct is. I assume that's intentional. Alex On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 3:40 PM Ivan Levkivskyi wrote: > Hi, > > I don't remember participating in any of the recent discussions on the > mentioned lists. Why is this sent to me? Can you mention any particular > posts? > The scary atmosphere here becomes unbearable. I wasn't very active lately > anyway, and I think I will stop contributing indefinitely. > > Best regards, > Ivan > > > On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 20:30, Python Steering Council < > steering-coun...@python.org> wrote: > >> The following message was sent to a core developer. This message was >> thoughtfully and respectfully sent by the Steering Council as a serious >> reminder that the privilege to serve as a core developer comes with the >> responsibility to act thoughtfully. >> >> --- >> >> Based on Code of Conduct violations in your recent mailing list posts, >> and under the recommendation of the Code of Conduct Working Group, the >> Python Steering Council has voted to issue a three-month corrective action >> to you for Core Python development. >> This corrective action bans you from all Core Development privileges >> including commit rights, issue tracker privileges, and participation in all >> core development communication spaces including mailing lists, Discourse, >> and Zulip channels. This corrective action will be in effect for three >> months. At the end of the three month period, these privileges will be >> automatically reinstated. >> >> The Python Code of Conduct workgroup reviewed the conduct reports and >> recommended that corrective action was necessary for the violations. The >> Python Steering Council finds these violations to be serious breaches of >> civility and expected core development conduct. >> >> Please consider this corrective action as a serious reminder that Python >> core development is a privilege. This privilege to serve as a core >> developer comes with the responsibility to act thoughtfully and reflect on >> how hostile communications are harmful to other members of the community. >> We trust that you will respect the temporary loss of privileges and the >> seriousness of this action. >> >> Respectfully, >> Python Steering Council >> ___ >> python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ >> Message archived at >> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/2HC5XPURMQL6VRCXPMLQUL7OXBGU6OMS/ >> Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >> > ___ > python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/CLS5E634FCMB6W5H5JBLHZNSFRKKZGJG/ > Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > -- All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing. ___ python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/VW3JFOUCWVTH4GE7E7PXAMQGPJE36Y4O/ Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[python-committers] Re: Notification of a three-month ban from Python core development
Hi, I don't remember participating in any of the recent discussions on the mentioned lists. Why is this sent to me? Can you mention any particular posts? The scary atmosphere here becomes unbearable. I wasn't very active lately anyway, and I think I will stop contributing indefinitely. Best regards, Ivan On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 20:30, Python Steering Council < steering-coun...@python.org> wrote: > The following message was sent to a core developer. This message was > thoughtfully and respectfully sent by the Steering Council as a serious > reminder that the privilege to serve as a core developer comes with the > responsibility to act thoughtfully. > > --- > > Based on Code of Conduct violations in your recent mailing list posts, and > under the recommendation of the Code of Conduct Working Group, the Python > Steering Council has voted to issue a three-month corrective action to you > for Core Python development. > This corrective action bans you from all Core Development privileges > including commit rights, issue tracker privileges, and participation in all > core development communication spaces including mailing lists, Discourse, > and Zulip channels. This corrective action will be in effect for three > months. At the end of the three month period, these privileges will be > automatically reinstated. > > The Python Code of Conduct workgroup reviewed the conduct reports and > recommended that corrective action was necessary for the violations. The > Python Steering Council finds these violations to be serious breaches of > civility and expected core development conduct. > > Please consider this corrective action as a serious reminder that Python > core development is a privilege. This privilege to serve as a core > developer comes with the responsibility to act thoughtfully and reflect on > how hostile communications are harmful to other members of the community. > We trust that you will respect the temporary loss of privileges and the > seriousness of this action. > > Respectfully, > Python Steering Council > ___ > python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/2HC5XPURMQL6VRCXPMLQUL7OXBGU6OMS/ > Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > ___ python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/CLS5E634FCMB6W5H5JBLHZNSFRKKZGJG/ Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[python-committers] Notification of a three-month ban from Python core development
The following message was sent to a core developer. This message was thoughtfully and respectfully sent by the Steering Council as a serious reminder that the privilege to serve as a core developer comes with the responsibility to act thoughtfully. --- Based on Code of Conduct violations in your recent mailing list posts, and under the recommendation of the Code of Conduct Working Group, the Python Steering Council has voted to issue a three-month corrective action to you for Core Python development. This corrective action bans you from all Core Development privileges including commit rights, issue tracker privileges, and participation in all core development communication spaces including mailing lists, Discourse, and Zulip channels. This corrective action will be in effect for three months. At the end of the three month period, these privileges will be automatically reinstated. The Python Code of Conduct workgroup reviewed the conduct reports and recommended that corrective action was necessary for the violations. The Python Steering Council finds these violations to be serious breaches of civility and expected core development conduct. Please consider this corrective action as a serious reminder that Python core development is a privilege. This privilege to serve as a core developer comes with the responsibility to act thoughtfully and reflect on how hostile communications are harmful to other members of the community. We trust that you will respect the temporary loss of privileges and the seriousness of this action. Respectfully, Python Steering Council ___ python-committers mailing list -- python-committers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-committers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-committers.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-committers@python.org/message/2HC5XPURMQL6VRCXPMLQUL7OXBGU6OMS/ Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
