Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
On 27 okt 2005, at 19.57, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Michael Hudson wrote: Do checkins to svn.python.org go to the python-checkins list already? They do indeed - you should have received one commit message by now (me testing whether committing works, on PEP 347). Could the subject lines of those messages please be changed to something more informative? Having which files were changed in the subject seems better than having only the new rev and the folders the files are in. //Simon ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
Simon Percivall wrote: Could the subject lines of those messages please be changed to something more informative? Having which files were changed in the subject seems better than having only the new rev and the folders the files are in. I'm neither sure whether that should be done, or whether it could be done. What do others think? I personally found those long subject lines listing all the changed files very ugly and unreadable. The other question (whether it could be done) is probably answered as yes, but I have to research what magic precisely is necessary. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 12:44, Martin v. Löwis wrote: What do others think? I personally found those long subject lines listing all the changed files very ugly and unreadable. Me too. At work our subject lines contain something like: Subject: [SVN][reponame] checkin of r12345 - dir/containing/changes Note that we send a different commit message for every directory the change happens in, even though it's all one revision. We like it that way because some people don't care about certain directories and can filter based on that. Inside the body of the email you'll see something like: Author: person Date: when New Revision: r12345 Log: Log message comes next. Definitely best to show up before the diff. diff comes next... FWIW, this format has worked well for us. -Barry signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Python source code repository is now converted to subversion; please feel free to start checking out new sandboxes. For a few days, this installation probably still needs to be considered in testing. If there are no serious problems found by next Monday, I would consider conversion of the data complete. The CVS repository will be kept available read-only for a while longer, so you can easily forward any patches you may have. Most of you are probably interested in checking out one of these folders: svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/trunk svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/branches/release24-maint svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/peps Works out of the box for me, thanks, Martin (but we have debugged this before). Can anyone recommend an XEmacs svn plugin to use - I've tried psvn.el from http://www.xsteve.at/prg/emacs/psvn.el which seems to work? Thomas ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
Thomas Heller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can anyone recommend an XEmacs svn plugin to use - I've tried psvn.el from http://www.xsteve.at/prg/emacs/psvn.el which seems to work? I've heard http://www.xsteve.at/prg/emacs/psvn.el works :) I also have vc-svn.el installed (I think it's from the subversion source, but it might be part of newer emacs distributions). Cheers, mwh -- exarkun INEFFICIENT CAPITALIST YOUR OPULENT TOILET WILL BE YOUR UNDOING -- from Twisted.Quotes ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
On Fri, 2005-10-28 at 03:53, Thomas Heller wrote: Can anyone recommend an XEmacs svn plugin to use - I've tried psvn.el from http://www.xsteve.at/prg/emacs/psvn.el which seems to work? Yep, that's the one I use, albeit a few revs back from what's up there now. It's had some performance problems in the past, but is generally pretty good these days. I've had issues with it bogging down XEmacs /after/ running stat on a very large tree. It seems (seemed?) as though it was still hogging cpu even after the actual back-end svn command was finished. My only other nit is that I wish I could svn stat a few directories at a time. Say I know that only directory A and B are out of date. At the command line I can say svn stat A B or svn commit A B. Can't really do that in psvn.el, but I can understand why that's problematic. I also would love it to be hooked into vc-mode too, for modeline updates and commits of single files. I can understand why those things aren't there yet though. All in all psvn.el works very well, although it's not (for me) a complete replacement for the command line. -Barry signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
On 10/27/05, Fred L. Drake, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 27 October 2005 23:03, Brett Cannon wrote: I guess, but I just don't like wikis personally so I have no inclination to make the conversion. If someone wants to make the conversion over to the wiki and keep it up that's fine, but I have no problem keeping the dev FAQ updated like I have for CVS in the past. And I'm sure we all appreciate your efforts! I certainly do. Regarding using the wiki... I have mixed feelings. Wikis are really, really good for some things. Anything that's how-to based on technology (how to use SVN, CVS, etc.) seems like a reasonable candidate, because we get the advantages of peer review. For things that describe policy, I don't think that's so great. For policy (how to use SVN for Python development, because we have certain rules), I think we want to maintain strict editorial control. I like that explanation more than mine. =) So I am just going to keep the FAQ up then. If there is anything at http://www.python.org/dev/svn.html people feel should be moved over to the FAQ that has not occurred yet, let me know. Please have personal experience, though, with what you want added so as to make sure the information is relevant (e.g., Tim suffering through getting an SSH 2 key for Windows and what is exactly needed, complete with screenshots =) . -Brett ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
Brett Cannon wrote: I have started a svn section in the dev FAQ (http://www.python.org/dev/devfaq.html) pertaining to checking out a project from the repository and other stuff discussed so far. If something is not clear or people feel a step is missing, let me know. One think that should be carried over from svn.ht is how to setup Putty on Windows. The issue is that subversion will look for a ssh binary in its path, and if there is none, it fails. Saying [tunnels] ssh=c:/program files/putty/plink.exe -T in subversion's config file does the trick (see svn.html). If you use a different SSH client, you need to adjust the configuration accordingly. FYI, -T specifies to not allocate a terminal. plink has the nice feature of giving GUI feedback if there is no terminal for interactive feedback (such as whether the remote key is trusted). This makes it useful for TortoiseSVN. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
Martin v. Löwis wrote: I am also curious as to what you would have me check out for the sandbox; whole directory or just the trunk? You would usually only check out the trunk (unless you want to work on a branch, of course). Actually, you would probably check out a sandbox subdirectory, such as http://svn.python.org/projects/sandbox/trunk/decimal/ (say). We don't have a policy for making tags or branches for single directories only; I would suggest that either tags/decimal-1.0 or tags/decimal/1.0 would be acceptable (depending on how frequently anticipate to make takes, perhaps). Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
The Python source code repository is now converted to subversion; please feel free to start checking out new sandboxes. For a few days, this installation probably still needs to be considered in testing. If there are no serious problems found by next Monday, I would consider conversion of the data complete. The CVS repository will be kept available read-only for a while longer, so you can easily forward any patches you may have. Most of you are probably interested in checking out one of these folders: svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/trunk svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/branches/release24-maint svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/peps The anonymous read-only equivalents of these are http://svn.python.org/projects/python/trunk http://svn.python.org/projects/python/branches/release24-maint http://svn.python.org/projects/peps As mentioned before, in addition to plain http/WebDAV, viewcvs is available at http://svn.python.org/view/ There are some more things left to be done, such as updating the developer documentation. I'll start working on that soon, but contributions are welcome. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
martin == martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: martin The Python source code repository is now converted to martin subversion; please feel free to start checking out new martin sandboxes. Excellent... Thanks for all the effort. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Python source code repository is now converted to subversion; [...] Thanks for doing this. BTW, will there be daily tarballs, like the one available from: http://cvs.perl.org/snapshots/python/python/python-latest.tar.gz Bye, Walter Dörwald ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
Hello, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: martin The Python source code repository is now converted to martin subversion; please feel free to start checking out new martin sandboxes. Excellent... Thanks for all the effort. Good work. I checked the http and viewcvs access and all worked. But why is an old subversion used ? (Powered by Subversion version 1.1.4) bye by Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Python source code repository is now converted to subversion; please feel free to start checking out new sandboxes. For a few days, this installation probably still needs to be considered in testing. If there are no serious problems found by next Monday, I would consider conversion of the data complete. The CVS repository will be kept available read-only for a while longer, so you can easily forward any patches you may have. Woo! Do checkins to svn.python.org go to the python-checkins list already? Cheers, mwh -- skreech How do I keep people from reading my Perl code? Oh wait. Ha ha! -- from Twisted.Quotes ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
On 10/27/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Python source code repository is now converted to subversion; please feel free to start checking out new sandboxes. Woo hoo! Thanks for all the hard work and good thinking, Martin. Most of you are probably interested in checking out one of these folders: svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/trunk svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/branches/release24-maint svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/peps This doesn't work for me. I'm sure the problem is on my end, but my svn skills are too rusty to figure it out. I get this: $ svn checkout svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/peps Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). svn: Connection closed unexpectedly $svn --version svn, version 1.2.0 (r14790) compiled Jun 13 2005, 18:51:32 Copyright (C) 2000-2005 CollabNet. Subversion is open source software, see http://subversion.tigris.org/ This product includes software developed by CollabNet (http://www.Collab.Net/). The following repository access (RA) modules are available: * ra_dav : Module for accessing a repository via WebDAV (DeltaV) protocol. - handles 'http' scheme - handles 'https' scheme * ra_svn : Module for accessing a repository using the svn network protocol. - handles 'svn' scheme * ra_local : Module for accessing a repository on local disk. - handles 'file' scheme $ I can ssh to svn.python.org just fine, with no password (it says it's dinsdale). I can checkout the read-only versions just fine. I can work with the pydotorg svn repository just fine (checked something in last week). -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
Walter Dörwald wrote: Thanks for doing this. BTW, will there be daily tarballs, like the one available from: http://cvs.perl.org/snapshots/python/python/python-latest.tar.gz Will be, yes (I'm saddened that you refer to this location, and not http://www.dcl.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/home/loewis/python.tgz :-) I'm planning to provide them at http://svn.python.org/snapshots. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
Guido van Rossum wrote: Woo hoo! Thanks for all the hard work and good thinking, Martin. My pleasure! svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/trunk svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/branches/release24-maint svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/peps This doesn't work for me. I'm sure the problem is on my end, but my svn skills are too rusty to figure it out. It's actually not: you missed the pythondev@ part. To access the repository, your SSH key must be added to pythondev's authorized_keys file; it previously wasn't. I have now added your key something.comcast.net to the file; I did not add [EMAIL PROTECTED], as SSH1 is not supported. Please try again. The list of committers is (now) at http://www.python.org/dev/committers Anybody not on the list who wishes to (and had access to the CVS) please send your key; if you have access to dinsdale, just let us know and we copy your key. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
Wolfgang Langner wrote: But why is an old subversion used ? (Powered by Subversion version 1.1.4) That's the one Debian provides. We don't build our own, but use Debian packages for everything. Also, subversion 1.1 is not old: it was released on Oct 4, 2004; 1.1.4 is less than a year old. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
Michael Hudson wrote: Do checkins to svn.python.org go to the python-checkins list already? They do indeed - you should have received one commit message by now (me testing whether committing works, on PEP 347). Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
Am 27.10.2005 um 19:18 schrieb Martin v. Löwis: Walter Dörwald wrote: Thanks for doing this. BTW, will there be daily tarballs, like the one available from: http://cvs.perl.org/snapshots/python/python/python-latest.tar.gz Will be, yes (I'm saddened that you refer to this location, and not http://www.dcl.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/home/loewis/python.tgz :-) I didn't know that, although I probably should, the links are on the official page at http://www.python.org/dev/. ;) BTW, http://www.dcl.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/home/loewis/python.tgz is just 45 bytes. I'm planning to provide them at http://svn.python.org/snapshots. Great! BTW, ViewCVS seems to be missing the stylesheet. http:// svn.python.org/view/*docroot*/styles.css gives an exception complaining about No such file or directory: '/etc/viewcvs/doc/ styles.css' Bye, Walter Dörwald ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
Walter Dörwald wrote: BTW, ViewCVS seems to be missing the stylesheet. http:// svn.python.org/view/*docroot*/styles.css gives an exception complaining about No such file or directory: '/etc/viewcvs/doc/ styles.css' Thanks, fixed. I already wondered why I was supposed to create a /viewcvs Alias in the apache configuration... Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
On 10/27/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [SNIP] Most of you are probably interested in checking out one of these folders: svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/trunk svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/branches/release24-maint svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/peps Why the entire 'peps' directory and not just the trunk like with 'python'? It looks like no tags or branches have ever been created for the PEPs and thus are not really needed. I am also curious as to what you would have me check out for the sandbox; whole directory or just the trunk? -Brett ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
I have started a svn section in the dev FAQ (http://www.python.org/dev/devfaq.html) pertaining to checking out a project from the repository and other stuff discussed so far. If something is not clear or people feel a step is missing, let me know. I will remove the CVS section once Martin has tossed the CVS repository on SF. -Brett On 10/27/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Python source code repository is now converted to subversion; please feel free to start checking out new sandboxes. For a few days, this installation probably still needs to be considered in testing. If there are no serious problems found by next Monday, I would consider conversion of the data complete. The CVS repository will be kept available read-only for a while longer, so you can easily forward any patches you may have. Most of you are probably interested in checking out one of these folders: svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/trunk svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/branches/release24-maint svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/peps The anonymous read-only equivalents of these are http://svn.python.org/projects/python/trunk http://svn.python.org/projects/python/branches/release24-maint http://svn.python.org/projects/peps As mentioned before, in addition to plain http/WebDAV, viewcvs is available at http://svn.python.org/view/ There are some more things left to be done, such as updating the developer documentation. I'll start working on that soon, but contributions are welcome. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/brett%40python.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
[Brett Cannon] I have started a svn section in the dev FAQ (http://www.python.org/dev/devfaq.html) pertaining to checking out a project from the repository and other stuff discussed so far. If something is not clear or people feel a step is missing, let me know. Thanks, Brett! I'm just starting this trek, in slow motion, and that was a real help ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
On 10/27/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brett I have started a svn section in the dev FAQ Brett (http://www.python.org/dev/devfaq.html) pertaining to checking Brett out a project from the repository and other stuff discussed so Brett far. If something is not clear or people feel a step is missing, Brett let me know. We're starting to look at how much information we can push over to the Wiki. Any pages where multiple people might contribute, especially if they are not the typical website maintainers, seems to me like good Wiki candidates to me. That goes double for anything FAQ-ish. I guess, but I just don't like wikis personally so I have no inclination to make the conversion. If someone wants to make the conversion over to the wiki and keep it up that's fine, but I have no problem keeping the dev FAQ updated like I have for CVS in the past. -Brett ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete
On Thursday 27 October 2005 23:03, Brett Cannon wrote: I guess, but I just don't like wikis personally so I have no inclination to make the conversion. If someone wants to make the conversion over to the wiki and keep it up that's fine, but I have no problem keeping the dev FAQ updated like I have for CVS in the past. And I'm sure we all appreciate your efforts! I certainly do. Regarding using the wiki... I have mixed feelings. Wikis are really, really good for some things. Anything that's how-to based on technology (how to use SVN, CVS, etc.) seems like a reasonable candidate, because we get the advantages of peer review. For things that describe policy, I don't think that's so great. For policy (how to use SVN for Python development, because we have certain rules), I think we want to maintain strict editorial control. -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. fdrake at acm.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
