Re: [Python-Dev] Should we help pythonmac.org?
On Aug 18, 2008, at 22:06, Bob Ippolito wrote: The major difference between the packages on macports and pythonmac.org is that macports is their own distro of nearly everything, akin to installing a copy of FreeBSD over top of Mac OS X. pythonmac.org contains packages that are self-contained and don't have a whole new set of libraries to install (in the cases where they do require libraries, they link them in statically for the most part). Theses comments are from my point of view as a developer for end users on the Mac. For my pysvn project I release kits for all the python versions * Apple python 2.3 powerpc * Apple python 2.4 intel * MacPython 2.4.x powerpc * MacPython 2.5.x powerpc and intel And in the future I intend to support: * 2.6b3 framework build * 3.0b3 framework build These are all framework builds and they are totally isolated from each other. And I release pysvn as DMG kits as well. For pysvn workbench I use the wxWidgets released DMG kits. And create a application using python module bundlebuilder. Whatever you do should point to a framework build including bundelbuilder which is installed using a Mac installer. Which is the status quo so far. Barry ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Should we help pythonmac.org?
My two cents: the link to pythonmac.org should be removed, especially for downloading an installer for Python. The main 2.5.x download pages already have a binary installer for OSX (10.3.9 or later), the copy on pythonmac.org is just that: an (outdated) copy of the installer on the main python.org download page. There's also a collection of installers for various packages (such as PIL) on there, which make it easy to install such packages without trying to build them yourself and without pulling in all of macports or fink. Sadly enough that package collection doesn't seem to be maintained at the moment. Ronald On 18 Aug, 2008, at 18:05, Guido van Rossum wrote: Does anyone have connections with the owners of pythonmac.org? Apparently they are serving up an ancient version of Python 2.5. The Google App Engine has a minor issue in 2.5 that's solved in 2.5.1, but that is apparently not available from that site. Perhaps we can contribute more recent Mac versions, or provide them directly on python.org? (The Downloads -> Macintosh page points to pythonmac.org, which means lots of All Engine users download this old version.) -- --Guido van Rossum (home: python.org/~guido/) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ronaldoussoren%40mac.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Should we help pythonmac.org?
The major difference between the packages on macports and pythonmac.org is that macports is their own distro of nearly everything, akin to installing a copy of FreeBSD over top of Mac OS X. pythonmac.org contains packages that are self-contained and don't have a whole new set of libraries to install (in the cases where they do require libraries, they link them in statically for the most part). These days I don't have a lot of preference, I don't use either :) On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alternatively, I just got mail from Bob Ippolito indicating that he'd > be happy to hand over the domain to the PSF. It's got quite a bit more > on it than Python distros, and it's a fairly popular resource for Mac > users I imagine. However macports.org seems to have more Python stuff, > and has a more recent version of 2.5. (2.5.2). Perhaps we should link > to macports.org instead? > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Aug 18, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> >>> Does anyone have connections with the owners of pythonmac.org? >>> Apparently they are serving up an ancient version of Python 2.5. The >>> Google App Engine has a minor issue in 2.5 that's solved in 2.5.1, but >>> that is apparently not available from that site. Perhaps we can >>> contribute more recent Mac versions, or provide them directly on >>> python.org? (The Downloads -> Macintosh page points to pythonmac.org, >>> which means lots of All Engine users download this old version.) >> >> I'd be happy to arrange things with a Mac expert to put the Mac binaries on >> the download site. > > -- > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) > ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Should we help pythonmac.org?
Someone told me the other day that macports made for difficult installs, but not being a Mac user I wasn't in a position to evaluate the advice. I can see the desirability of having a Python-specific domain, but then again if the pydotorg team were going to maintain the content then they might just as well maintain it under python.org. I really do think it would be better if the Mac downloads were available from the same site as all the others, but I don't know whether we have the manpower and skills available to cut the releases and maintain the additional content. I'm copying the pydotorg list to see what, if anything, they have to say about it. That's where the work is likely to land, so we'd better know in advance if it would cause problems. regards Steve Guido van Rossum wrote: Alternatively, I just got mail from Bob Ippolito indicating that he'd be happy to hand over the domain to the PSF. It's got quite a bit more on it than Python distros, and it's a fairly popular resource for Mac users I imagine. However macports.org seems to have more Python stuff, and has a more recent version of 2.5. (2.5.2). Perhaps we should link to macports.org instead? On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Aug 18, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Does anyone have connections with the owners of pythonmac.org? Apparently they are serving up an ancient version of Python 2.5. The Google App Engine has a minor issue in 2.5 that's solved in 2.5.1, but that is apparently not available from that site. Perhaps we can contribute more recent Mac versions, or provide them directly on python.org? (The Downloads -> Macintosh page points to pythonmac.org, which means lots of All Engine users download this old version.) I'd be happy to arrange things with a Mac expert to put the Mac binaries on the download site. -- Steve Holden+1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Should we help pythonmac.org?
Alternatively, I just got mail from Bob Ippolito indicating that he'd be happy to hand over the domain to the PSF. It's got quite a bit more on it than Python distros, and it's a fairly popular resource for Mac users I imagine. However macports.org seems to have more Python stuff, and has a more recent version of 2.5. (2.5.2). Perhaps we should link to macports.org instead? On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Aug 18, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > >> Does anyone have connections with the owners of pythonmac.org? >> Apparently they are serving up an ancient version of Python 2.5. The >> Google App Engine has a minor issue in 2.5 that's solved in 2.5.1, but >> that is apparently not available from that site. Perhaps we can >> contribute more recent Mac versions, or provide them directly on >> python.org? (The Downloads -> Macintosh page points to pythonmac.org, >> which means lots of All Engine users download this old version.) > > I'd be happy to arrange things with a Mac expert to put the Mac binaries on > the download site. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Should we help pythonmac.org?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 18, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Does anyone have connections with the owners of pythonmac.org? Apparently they are serving up an ancient version of Python 2.5. The Google App Engine has a minor issue in 2.5 that's solved in 2.5.1, but that is apparently not available from that site. Perhaps we can contribute more recent Mac versions, or provide them directly on python.org? (The Downloads -> Macintosh page points to pythonmac.org, which means lots of All Engine users download this old version.) I'd be happy to arrange things with a Mac expert to put the Mac binaries on the download site. - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBSKmpOHEjvBPtnXfVAQJNFAQAiQu+ZgeHoi7fzF7NWwqDoP4AAH8UNF5B 6JL74CmJnarhZ40dum3RUz+bEM3Htfik+baMUInCEz+hlOBBbZi9qTyVxTdA9zOg t2/Z/mzl7o/0POyoxAaVcYVBife2FYiNUIfB9AvP7TtUYCJmI2bCTCiBkTO/GLDm 7VBpEF3gNhs= =jIn7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Should we help pythonmac.org?
Guido> Does anyone have connections with the owners of pythonmac.org? I believe that's Bob Ippolito ([EMAIL PROTECTED] - cc'd). Skip Guido> Apparently they are serving up an ancient version of Python Guido> 2.5. The Google App Engine has a minor issue in 2.5 that's solved Guido> in 2.5.1, but that is apparently not available from that Guido> site. Perhaps we can contribute more recent Mac versions, or Guido> provide them directly on python.org? (The Downloads -> Macintosh Guido> page points to pythonmac.org, which means lots of All Engine Guido> users download this old version.) Guido> -- Guido> --Guido van Rossum (home: python.org/~guido/) Guido> ___ Guido> Python-Dev mailing list Guido> Python-Dev@python.org Guido> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Guido> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/skip%40pobox.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
