[Python-Dev] windows installer and python list mention

2017-04-10 Thread Ethan Furman

Apparently the Windows installer mentions asking for help on Python List.

If accessing Python List directly via email it is necessary to subscribe first -- perhaps that could be mentioned? 
Bonus Python Points for mentioning the other methods that do not require subscribing.  :)


Rejection text sent to non-subscribers follows:

"Hello!  I see you want to post a message to the Python List.  We
would be happy to help, but you must subscribe first:

  https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

After you have subscribed, please send your message again.

Alternatively, this list is mirrored both ways with the
comp.lang.python newsgroup (news:comp.lang.python).

Some people find it easier to follow this and other lists via gmane
(http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general), a service which
offers a newsgroup interface to many online mailing lists.

*NB all posts to the mailing list are publicly archived at:*

  https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list

"

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Re: [Python-Dev] windows installer and python list mention

2017-04-10 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Ethan Furman  wrote:
> Some people find it easier to follow this and other lists via gmane
> (http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general), a service which
> offers a newsgroup interface to many online mailing lists.

Also, gmane has been dead for a few months (that link just says "Page
Not Found") and its future is uncertain, so this bit isn't terribly
helpful either...

-n

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Re: [Python-Dev] I will be deleting the cpython-mirror repo on April 10

2017-04-10 Thread Brett Cannon
I've now gone ahead and deleted the cpython-mirror repo as scheduled. Happy
two month anniversary on the new workflow. :)

On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 at 15:39 Victor Stinner 
wrote:

> Oops, thanks for the reminder! I found two old pull requests that I
> forgot to rebase and republish on the new CPython Git repository.
>
> Victor
>
> 2017-03-27 22:13 GMT+02:00 Brett Cannon :
> > On the two-month anniversary of the GitHub migration I'm going to delete
> the
> > old git mirror: https://github.com/python/cpython-mirror. If you have a
> old
> > PR that got closed with comments or something, now is the time to get
> those
> > comments off.
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Re: [Python-Dev] windows installer and python list mention

2017-04-10 Thread Terry Reedy

On 4/10/2017 1:48 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote:

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Ethan Furman  wrote:

Some people find it easier to follow this and other lists via gmane
(http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general), a service which
offers a newsgroup interface to many online mailing lists.


Also, gmane has been dead for a few months (that link just says "Page
Not Found") and its future is uncertain, so this bit isn't terribly
helpful either...


The web interface does indeed seem to have been removed.  Even 
news.gmane.org returns the same.  The nntp interface remains for the 
present, as I still use it daily.  (The headers of this message should 
indicate such.)


If the nntp interface were to be taken down, I would like PSF to add 
news.python.org to continue the python mirrors.


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Re: [Python-Dev] windows installer and python list mention

2017-04-10 Thread Mark Lawrence via Python-Dev

On 10/04/2017 18:48, Nathaniel Smith wrote:

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Ethan Furman  wrote:

Some people find it easier to follow this and other lists via gmane
(http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general), a service which
offers a newsgroup interface to many online mailing lists.


Also, gmane has been dead for a few months (that link just says "Page
Not Found") and its future is uncertain, so this bit isn't terribly
helpful either...

-n



Wrong, it's live and kicking.  What am I reading this on, Scotch mist?

Of course people should be pointed to the Windows list at 
gmane.comp.python.windows but that will not stop them asking the same 
moronic question that has been asked repeatedly for the last 16 months, 
"I get api-ms-win-crt-runtime-l1-1-0.dll is missing, what do I do about 
it?".  Haven't they heard of search engines?


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My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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Re: [Python-Dev] windows installer and python list mention

2017-04-10 Thread Steve Dower

On 10Apr2017 1032, Ethan Furman wrote:

Apparently the Windows installer mentions asking for help on Python List.


Yay! People actually read some of that text in the installer :)

Currently the installer has the following message after you run a Repair 
(from Tools/msi/bundle/Default.wxl):


> Feel free to email href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected] if you 
continue to encounter issues.


And this message after you uninstall:

> Feel free to email href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected] if you 
encountered problems.



If accessing Python List directly via email it is necessary to subscribe
first -- perhaps that could be mentioned? Bonus Python Points for
mentioning the other methods that do not require subscribing.  :)


I wasn't aware of this - I'm sure I've emailed the list before without 
it being rejected, and I'm certainly not subscribed. Is it a recent 
change? Is it necessary?


I'd be happy to change these to point somewhere else, but the challenge 
here is the installers are permanent - whatever we put in this message 
can never change. Given this thread immediately entered uncertainty 
about what other methods are actually working, I don't want to link to 
any of them :)


Cheers,
Steve
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Re: [Python-Dev] windows installer and python list mention

2017-04-10 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 at 14:32 Steve Dower  wrote:

> On 10Apr2017 1032, Ethan Furman wrote:
> > Apparently the Windows installer mentions asking for help on Python List.
>
> Yay! People actually read some of that text in the installer :)
>
> Currently the installer has the following message after you run a Repair
> (from Tools/msi/bundle/Default.wxl):
>
>  > Feel free to email  href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected] if you
> continue to encounter issues.
>
> And this message after you uninstall:
>
>  > Feel free to email  href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected] if you
> encountered problems.
>
> > If accessing Python List directly via email it is necessary to subscribe
> > first -- perhaps that could be mentioned? Bonus Python Points for
> > mentioning the other methods that do not require subscribing.  :)
>
> I wasn't aware of this - I'm sure I've emailed the list before without
> it being rejected, and I'm certainly not subscribed. Is it a recent
> change? Is it necessary?
>

It's possible a previous email was held for moderation and then you were
given a permanent acceptance for your email address as Mailman allows for
that.

-Brett
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